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Dom Pippen and Kerr saved Jordan every year so sure I guess you could count those against lebron except lebron made the block and a ft to win the game not kyries play but sure.
As a heat fan i remember the exact moment Ray Allen hit that 3, the whole world really thought the spurs were going to win the chip that year, and once LeBron missed i remember the numbness i had up until Allen hit that 3, he really did save LeBron and Miami’s Big 3 legacy, obviously no knock on lebron because Lebron was the one who even put us in POSITION to have such a close game, but yeah till this day whenever i see that Ray Allen clip i get goosebumps
I remember that game too and as a heat fan he and LeBron saved the heat. Without LeBron's 16 point run and clutch 3 before that Allen's shot keans nothing therefore lebron and Allen both saved the heat
ray was the bigger saver, ray save tf outta Lebron. Lebron score 16 in first 5 min Start of the 4th yea but last 4 minutes of game Lebron flatout Choked, 2 back to back huge turnovers with like a minute LEFT and that terrible shit bron bricked before bosh grab REBOUND n assist to Ray Allen savior shit and Ray Allen actually traveled
Saving a legacy would mean he absolutely trashed out in each one of those games and got carried to a win. All that happen was that his teammates made key shots, like every teammate should try to do. LeBron showed up in each of those games and so did the rest of his team and that's why they won championships. If he was like 6/30 and had 14 points or something and they still won, then yea they saved his legacy, but we all know that didn't come close to happening. Funny how the same people who say ray and kyrie "saved his legacy" are the same people who trash his very legacy for his 3-6 record, where's the logic in saying his legacy got saved when they clearly have no respect for it in the first place lmao.
It don't matter about him trashing out or not. They saved that damn man cuz who got the credit for the finals win???? LEBRON!!! NOBODY ELSE GOT CREDIT. When he got finals MVP in 2016 it should've went to Kyrie cuz he was cooking every damn body and making that shit just made it even better. But no, the LeBron dick suckers only gave it to him cuz he was averaging triple doubles
facts, b/c besides that if Bron ever had a shit showing in closeout huge gms etc the games wouldn't have even been close anyways for his teammates to make a timely late clutch bucket i.e. would've been blowout territory
@@jayymacc2931 you're literally the type of person i'm talking about in the 2nd part of my comment, get ur dumbass outta here LMAO. Kyrie went from just an all star to a super star after that shot and championship and receives a ton of credit. You must live under a rock if you think he doesn't get any.
As a Heat fan I feel that Ray not only saved LeBron's legacy but also the Heat's. They won 66 games, including 27 in a row which is the 2nd longest streak in history. Thy had superstars in Bron, who was the MVP, Wade, and a star in Bosh. They had great role players and/or shooters in Battier, Birdman, Lewis, Jones, Allen, Chalmers, and Miller. Having lost that year would mean the Heatles could only muster one title win despite all that talent. Ray Allen's shot literally changed the narrative in both LeBron's and the Heat's legacies. I still remember the game, LeBron bringing the Heat back before committing what were some frustrating turnovers to watch. Then the ropes come out, and you felt the hope in the building pop like a balloon. Then Manu misses a free throw, then Kawhi, and Duncan's not in the game with only a 3 point deficit and around 20 seconds remaining. "James, won't go. Rebound Bosh. Back out to Allen, his three-pointer, BANG! Tied game with 5 seconds remaining." (Side note Mike Breen's call on this play is just iconic)
@@ehi_ij Definitely can give props to the Spurs, but the question was "Did Kyrie and Ray Allen Save LeBron's Legacy?" so I shared my thoughts on the question in relation to Allen's shot.
Sticky Friction Ray Allen was consistently an excellent shooter and was a bigger part of his teams core, Horry was never considered to be one of the main guys
No because in 2013 lebron James scores 16 points in the fourth quarter to bring the heat back and he hit a 3 before that Ray Allen shot and 2016 lebron James in game 7 had a triple double and after draymond the donkey green foul him hit a free throw to ice the game on the road so I really do not get this is really stupid after draymond hurt his wrist
I love your argument on why both are different in terms of LeBron's legacy: Kyrie's shot was mutually beneficial to both him and LeBron because LeBron made the block that brought momentum back for the Cavs to win and Kyrie sealed it with his 3 over Curry. So, in this case, it furthered LeBron's legacy and etched Kyrie's name in NBA history Ray Allen's shot saved LeBron's legacy not because LeBron didn't show up because he did with 16 in the 4th and the 3 during the Heat's previous possession to cut the lead to 2 but because LeBron and the Heat still had a lot to prove and if Ray misses that shot, there's no OT, no Game 7 or no 37 point performance by LeBron in that Game 7. Simply put: Kyrie's shot FURTHERED LeBron's legacy because it was assisted by LeBron's iconic block and LeBron was the clear leader on a team effort on their 3-1 comeback; Ray Allen's shot SAVED LeBron's legacy because of the circumstances of that Game 6 and the stakes on the line and NOT BECAUSE LEBRON DIDN'T SHOW UP (REMEMBER HE HAD 16 POINTS IN THE 4TH QUARTER WHEN MIAMI WAS DOWN AND HE HIT THE 3 TO BRING THEM WITHIN 2).
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
@@mitchletsplays1922 MJ didn't make every big play down the stretch either. MJ is the goat btw, I just am looking at this objectively and no goat nominee never got help at some point.
Sir Z Gaming facts niggas always trying discredit lebron like he just was supposed to hit every shot and do everything tf he got a team for ? Like u never hear nobody saying Robert Horry saves Kobe and shaq legacy when he hit the game winner against the kings or MJ when Steve Kerr hit the game winner lol
Ray Allen definitely saved him in that series because they were down 3-2 and if Ray misses that shot it’s game over. In Kyrie’s case I’m gonna say he didn’t save Bron but he helped a lot. That was a game 7 that could have went either way. It was 89-89 before Kyrie hit the shot. But if Kyrie misses that shot the game would still be tied so it could be anyone’s game to win.
Jose Rivas If the Heat lost in game 6, everything Lebron did would be an afterthought. For example, consider Tim Duncan’s shot against the Lakers in 2004 that would’ve won the game if not for Fisher’s 0.4 shot. Anytime you even bring up Duncan’s shot, people immediately think of Fisher’s shot that actually won the game. Lebron’s efforts and Duncan’s shot would be thought of the same way. Incredible, but not enough
As a Spurs fan I remember that Ray Allen shot 👀 in the moment I remember I was screaming at the TV 😂 now it's something good to remember almost 6 years later 👀
Short answer Dom, yes. The fact is. Without Kyries shot (and yes we don’t know what could e happened if he missed) and Ray Allen’s shot which 100% saved him, the greatest player (so called) would be 1-8 in the NBA finals. Not to mention he’s the player who pioneered modern Free Agency and basically choose his own path.
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Oh for fucks sakes, draymond green spent that entire season with one foot on the court, another foot buried deep between another mans testicles. He could not for the life of him stop kicking dudes in the nuts all fucking season. He did it to Adam silver in the playoffs too.. after his dirty play in the finals the refs had finally had enough and decided to suspend him. This is completely and entirely his fault not lebrons and he deserved that suspension.
@Kenneth Erickson Your dumbass clearly shouldn't be talking because you clearly miss the comprehension that would've made you realize what my position is on that shot
@@animecity9678 Miami was a different case tho plus heat was probably still losing in 2014 Lebron being 1-4 in the finals is such a massive stain and his only ring coming out of a lockout year would’ve been viewed as fraudulent
Cad Chamberlain bitch what???? He was facing a 73-9 team with the first unanimous MVP. Shut yo ass up, nobody thought he was winning that finals. Ppl were saying “2-5 is coming” before the finals even started
ibrahim azhar what key injures? Bogut? Before bogut got injured in game 5 he was averaging 12 minutes per game. Look it up. That’s only one quarter... nobody else was injured. Don’t say Steph cause Steph had come back down 3-1 just the series before. And draymond played 6 out of the possible 7 games. Y’all act like this dude misses multiple games. It was game 5!
Thank you for saying it was mutual beneficial! NBA twitter will have you think Bron came back 3-1 by himself when it was a team effort and he was obviously the leader but he didn’t do it alone
I believe the key word here is "outplayed"....not simply that the Mavs won No reason Terry should've averaged more points than LeBron...especially considering how dominant Bron was against the Bulls with their MVP Derrick Rose the series before.
Dwades legacy is very very interesting, he was once considered by many to be the best player in the league in the late 2000s but he’s now forgotten as a dominant player, I’d love to see a video on him
Because he only won once as the first option in 2006 and the whole series was very questionable in terms of refs. In the next 2 championship runs he was playing behind Lebron, so ppl tend to forget about him at this point
To add on about Paxson and Kerr, in both situations MJ drove into the paint to draw multiple defenders on him to create an opening for both of them to take the shot. As for Lebron, he commited 2 turnovers in the final minute, missed the 3 himself and played no part in Bosh grabbing the offensive rebound and Ray Allen hitting that difficult step back 3. So yeah MJ's scenarios are nothing like Lebron's and Ray Allen indeed saved Lebron's legacy
I think it’s crazy how the warriors first win get discredited because of cavs injuries but the cavs win in 16 isn’t discredited when there were injuries and suspensions.
I completely agree, I just hate that Kyrie doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the way he balled in that series..1 of the best supporting cast performances ever and goes completely overlooked, Kevin Loves D on Steph goes unnoticed as well
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Lebron Choked dude in last 3 min both games in the 4th. this is why Lebron needed to play with 3 all stars so the 4th best player on team( Ray Allen) can save him wen the other 2 stars can't n oooops my bad the otha star bosh was part of the SAVED to by grabbing the REBOUND n assist to Ray Allen
Once Bogut got hurt and Draymond got suspended the complexion of that series changed. That fucked up the momentum and groove bro. On top of Barnes going missing and Curry getting ejected from a game where they could've came back from. All that shit back to back was like What the fuck
Here’s a topic: If Kobe had won the 2004 and 2008 finals, would he be considered the GOAT? This is assuming he keeps the same stats throughout the rest of his career.
depends on how good he was in those 2 series...also his 2000 finals are pretty overrated..that was shaqs team..kobe really only was a legit guy on 4 title teams ..sure he was great in 2000 but not very efficient or high scoring or passing..
Another point about Ray Allen's shot: the Big 3 Heat still had to make that shot count. Had they lost in OT or Game 7, nobody would've remembered it. We do now only because they ended up winning that championship. It's like KD's shot against the Bucks: for now, it'll be remembered 'cause it's still recent, but in the future, it won't be 'cause they lost.
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Erik Lerström he was the best player on the court in every series he has been a part of since 2008. Of course he is the reason he won 3. Also the reason he has lost 6...
Lebron was the reason the Heat were in that game he was CLUTCH in that comeback. He also had a really strong performance in game 7 against Golden State.
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Agreed If Kyrie misses, game still tied and 50 seconds left If ray missed that Game and Team is OVER If lebron lost to the spurs his career would have been tarnished where as if he lost to the 73-9 team he was the underdog
yes they did, I don't care if lebron scored 100 in the fourth, if ray allen misses the shot they lose the game. I don't care about lebron's block, if kyrie misses the shot who knows what happened. What if jordan misses his game 6 win or utah? Or game 5 winner against the cavs , or game 2 shot in 90-91 against the lakers? You have to deal the deal. Tracy mcgrady 13 pts in 37 seconds wouldn't mattered if he didn't hit the game winner. Point blank period
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
For 2016 vs the Warriors? No. But it did show his character. He’s not on MJ’s level of a killer or having that competitive edge. That’s just who he is. And he gets way too much credit for that series. Ray Allen’s shot? It’s a little different. LeBron did play well in that crucial game 6....up until the final moments leading up to that. I’m pretty sure he had some bad turnovers and missed a shot before the Ray Allen 3. It would’ve looked real bad if the heat lost that series. There wasn’t any time left on the clock. If LeBron HAD to step up, it should’ve been right there. And let’s not forget Greg Popvich’s uncaharcteristic stupid move where he subbed out Tim Duncan. Just pointing that out because a lot of “luck” had to happen in order for the Heat to even make it out of there alive. LeBron was looking a little suspect near the end of regulation but that’s pretty much it.
So we gonna ignore that legendary chasedown block and only rate a GW shot? Bs. He gets the right credit he deserves. He led both teams in points assists rebounds steals and blocks (1st time ever for anyone in any playoff series length) while coming back from 3-1 deficit against 73 win team. That type of performance when combined with the context it was in was all-time great finals material.
Edgar Gordillo i love how the teams that Bron beats get excuses. But when he gets excuses made for him his haters cry. these are just what ifs. These are not the outcome and the outcome only matters
Evan Fabio The one thing that bothers me about 2016 is how unfair fans evaluate that finals and 2015. “Oh LeBron lost 2015 because of injuries” (which is mostly true) But no one talks about how beat up the Warriors were going into that series. People make it sound like LeBron went in there and defeated them healthy and at the peak of their powers. Curry clearly rushed himself back too quickly, Iggy looked like a walking mummy, Draymond missed a game, and Bogut blew his knee out. Your 6th man and 3 starters either missed a game or weren’t 100%. If LeBron gets a pass for 2015, the Warriors should get some slack for 2016. 🤷🏻♂️
Edgar Gordillo Kyrie and Love are not equivalent to Iggy and Bogut. Not even close. Kyrie played 1 game in that 2015 series after being in and out of the lineup throughout the playoffs and Love was gone since the first round. So LeBron even getting them to the finals was a big deal. Steph wasn’t “hurt” when he screaming “IM BACK! IM FUCKING BACK!” against Portland but when Russ and later Kyrie are working him he’s “injured”. That’s bullshit. Draymond missed a game on his on doing. He should’ve been suspended for kicking Steven Adams in the nuts so much...
For those of you comparing the Steve Kerr free throw open jumper to Ray Allens 3point shot with a hand in his face. There is video footage of the bench where MJ is talking to Kerr during the timeout. MJ tells him "John is gonna come double team me so be ready.." and Steve replies "If he comes, I'll be ready.." They go in, Stocton doubles, MJ makes the pass and Steve hits a free throw jumper. MJ was expecting it, they planned it and executed it. Now, can you sit there and say that any part of the Hail Mary sequence of Allens shot was actually part of a "drawn out play" ?
The thing is, lebron led the comeback against the spurs and hit the 3 pointer before that. He also led the charge in OT and dominated game 7 which featured him icing the game.
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
I think its possible that they did save his legacy, but that doesnt imply he didnt play great. In MIA, he missed the shot that mattered most, and if Ray misses, nobody remembers Bron playing great because he lost again, but since Ray hit it, and now we remember it as Bron scored 16 in the 4th. Pretty much the same thing with Kyrie, but we dont know how that game turns out
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
LeBron would be 1-9 without those guys shots LeBron did not play good in 2016 game 7. It amazes me how ppl trash Kobe for shooting 6-24 in game 7, while LeBron gets praised for going 9-24
They both played well on those games, as people said, LBJ had a triple double and shit, Kobe on the other hand wasn't scoring that efficiently (but nobody on that game was either, also his hand was busted that year) but grabbed a ton of rebounds, something that would be really relevant on that game, Lakers basically rebounded their way to victory
hell no! they didn't. saving sumbody is wen u hit the last second do or die shot from losing n getting eliminated. n off Lebron miss shot bosh n Ray SAVED him n Kyrie saved Lebron or else 1-8 finals record lmfaoooo for Lebron
I’ll put it this way for you leexcuse fans.... if those two shots didn’t go down and fall, his legacy would be hurting VERY VERY much and that also means he would have 2 rings and honestly maybe even 1 if the warriors score..... let that sink in.
no one says shaq saved Kobe...shaq had the 3 FMVPs during that 3peat. horry and fisher hit clutch shots but they didn't save Kobes legacy... why is Lebron not allowed to have teammates do their job, but Kobe is? why the double standard? keep that same energy at all times bro if you say Ray Allen and Kyrie saved Lebron, then shaq/horry/fisher saved Kobe too. its only fair
Big Fella the only one u can say that about is Ray Allens shot because if that doesn't go in there's a 90% chance that game is over. If Kyries doesn't go in anything could happen so don't make that argument
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Agree on Kyrie likely not saving his legacy but Ray definitively did. Bron throws a brick, Bosh rebounds and Ray hits the 3. I think Pop deserves credit for saving Bron because he sat Tim Duncan for that play.
bro Ray SAVED tf outta Lebron, if Ray miss shot it's over, forget ot n game 7 n if Kyrie miss, that game wuda went OT 89-89 n warriors wuda won giving them xtra 5 minutes
@@theflyingmonkey6454 point is without lebron scoring those points, ray Allen's shot wouldn't matter..... do you say the same about kerr hitting the buzzer beater for jordan?
@@20willsdude See I knew you would say that, was thinking about writing this in my first comment but decided to see if you would bite. Here is the "point": The point is, what happens before dosent matter, lebron could of scored 50 for all I cared, he bricked and choked the shot that he needed to make, and Ray Allen saved him. And no I dont say the same for Jordan because there was one more game to be played if Kerr dosent hit it, and knowing Jordan, I would bet my life he would man handle everybody in that game 7, because he lived for moments like those. But if that was game 7, then yes, kerr would have saved him, but only for that ring, not his legacy, BECAUSE HE STILL HAD 4 RINGS, AND WOULD BE 4-1 Ray Allen dosent hit that shot, and Lebron gets crucified. His so called "Super Team", managed to win 1 out of 3, and the 1 was against a bunch of young, 2nd or 3rd year players. Im not hating on him either, because I only feel this way about Ray Allen's shot, and dont think that Kyrie saved him, because they still had a chance to win it even if Kyrie dosent make it.
@@theflyingmonkey6454 you don't say that for jordan because there was one more game....... well there was one more quarter to be played. missing a shot doesn't mean you choked. he brought his team out of a deficit to begin with. we've seen him been clutch in more than enough situations even before that game and you want to say he choked? they went to overtime and a game 7...... he dominated, they won, but but but but Ray Allen shot saved man shut up. he won
David Reyna Kerr did not save Jordan's Jordan and Kerr came up with the shot together and he shot the game winning shot next year and even if he missed he would still be shot one of the goats in any order between kareem and wilt and probably would still be called goat
Kyrie misses that shot (& CLE doesn't get the off.reb.) it's a momentum shift back to Golden State. That's the fishiest Finals I can recall seeing. Curry (known for shooting halfcourt shots) doesn't try to get get something quick, no play is run and he's somehow d'd up by KEVIN LOVE! 🐟
I thought this was a good place to talk about this on NBA 2K 18 NBA 2K 19 the character ATM is in both games that means that the game has continuity you should talk about it I think it’s pretty interesting
The fact is if Ray doesn't hit that 3, Miami loses the Finals.... the Kyrie while clutch didn't guarantee GS the dub... even if they didn't contribute to the legacy, Lebron would still be one of the greatest
Yep they did..... and also, him averaging 17 ppg and 38fg%in 2011 finals (terry off the bench 18 ppg and 50+ fg%) and in game 4 of that series scoring 8 points, 0 in the fourth quarter.... that already cemented his legacy as not the goat.... add to that being 3-6 and twice being swept🤦♂️ oh and dont forget 2014 finals game 3. In last 3 quarters he had 8 points and 7 TO.... bad man.... he bad
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Killmonger 24 LeBron was trash in the 2013 finals before the 4th quarter of game 6. LeBrick shot 9-24 in game 7 of the 2016 finals. You can't say the same for MJ, Kobe, and Tim Duncan
Since this popped up again, I wanted to give it a full vid.
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I don’t think someone filling their role is saving someone’s legacy...(end of vid)
Nice vid
Cmon now man how u gonna show us gameplay of you not even covering your opponent and playing center?
Dom Pippen and Kerr saved Jordan every year so sure I guess you could count those against lebron except lebron made the block and a ft to win the game not kyries play but sure.
Bro please do a D Wade legacy video, we need that
Facts because Wade doesn't get the respect he deserves
Tony Hammond word
We need a wade, dirk and vince carter video.
Legend of Winning did a Dirk and Wade video just now. & A Carter video too but calling him overrated
mase8705 link??
As a heat fan i remember the exact moment Ray Allen hit that 3, the whole world really thought the spurs were going to win the chip that year, and once LeBron missed i remember the numbness i had up until Allen hit that 3, he really did save LeBron and Miami’s Big 3 legacy, obviously no knock on lebron because Lebron was the one who even put us in POSITION to have such a close game, but yeah till this day whenever i see that Ray Allen clip i get goosebumps
Man I still remember that shit like it was yesterday
I remember it too I was in like 4th grade watching the game and I thought the spurs won it I ran upstairs to tell my grandma then Ray Allen hits the 3
I remember that game too and as a heat fan he and LeBron saved the heat. Without LeBron's 16 point run and clutch 3 before that Allen's shot keans nothing therefore lebron and Allen both saved the heat
ray was the bigger saver, ray save tf outta Lebron. Lebron score 16 in first 5 min Start of the 4th yea but last 4 minutes of game Lebron flatout Choked, 2 back to back huge turnovers with like a minute LEFT and that terrible shit bron bricked before bosh grab REBOUND n assist to Ray Allen savior shit and Ray Allen actually traveled
LegendaryAguilar none of that would've happened if Bosh didn't grab the rebound
Saving a legacy would mean he absolutely trashed out in each one of those games and got carried to a win. All that happen was that his teammates made key shots, like every teammate should try to do. LeBron showed up in each of those games and so did the rest of his team and that's why they won championships. If he was like 6/30 and had 14 points or something and they still won, then yea they saved his legacy, but we all know that didn't come close to happening.
Funny how the same people who say ray and kyrie "saved his legacy" are the same people who trash his very legacy for his 3-6 record, where's the logic in saying his legacy got saved when they clearly have no respect for it in the first place lmao.
T biscuit fax bro
It don't matter about him trashing out or not. They saved that damn man cuz who got the credit for the finals win???? LEBRON!!! NOBODY ELSE GOT CREDIT. When he got finals MVP in 2016 it should've went to Kyrie cuz he was cooking every damn body and making that shit just made it even better. But no, the LeBron dick suckers only gave it to him cuz he was averaging triple doubles
facts, b/c besides that if Bron ever had a shit showing in closeout huge gms etc the games wouldn't have even been close anyways for his teammates to make a timely late clutch bucket i.e. would've been blowout territory
@@jayymacc2931 you're literally the type of person i'm talking about in the 2nd part of my comment, get ur dumbass outta here LMAO. Kyrie went from just an all star to a super star after that shot and championship and receives a ton of credit. You must live under a rock if you think he doesn't get any.
Jayy Macc Facts
As a Heat fan I feel that Ray not only saved LeBron's legacy but also the Heat's. They won 66 games, including 27 in a row which is the 2nd longest streak in history. Thy had superstars in Bron, who was the MVP, Wade, and a star in Bosh. They had great role players and/or shooters in Battier, Birdman, Lewis, Jones, Allen, Chalmers, and Miller. Having lost that year would mean the Heatles could only muster one title win despite all that talent. Ray Allen's shot literally changed the narrative in both LeBron's and the Heat's legacies. I still remember the game, LeBron bringing the Heat back before committing what were some frustrating turnovers to watch. Then the ropes come out, and you felt the hope in the building pop like a balloon. Then Manu misses a free throw, then Kawhi, and Duncan's not in the game with only a 3 point deficit and around 20 seconds remaining. "James, won't go. Rebound Bosh. Back out to Allen, his three-pointer, BANG! Tied game with 5 seconds remaining." (Side note Mike Breen's call on this play is just iconic)
Ain’t we gonna talk about how good the Spurs were that year 😭
@@ehi_ij Definitely can give props to the Spurs, but the question was "Did Kyrie and Ray Allen Save LeBron's Legacy?" so I shared my thoughts on the question in relation to Allen's shot.
@@bryanortiz1230 they didn’t save shit
@@jasonmoukala8909 if he didn’t have them on his team lbj would only have 2 rings
@@719_MSK and if bron wasn’t on their team, Allen would only have one and Kyrie wouldn’t have any. Basketball is a team sport
but ray Allen's shot is the biggest 3 POINTER EVER
not alot of people would've hit it
Yup
King Benny Garcia Lebron missed when he tried
Sticky Friction Ray Allen was consistently an excellent shooter and was a bigger part of his teams core, Horry was never considered to be one of the main guys
Horry made his career off of it
Top 3 is correct, I say it goes
Steph
Klay
Ray
In that order
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No because in 2013 lebron James scores 16 points in the fourth quarter to bring the heat back and he hit a 3 before that Ray Allen shot and 2016 lebron James in game 7 had a triple double and after draymond the donkey green foul him hit a free throw to ice the game on the road so I really do not get this is really stupid after draymond hurt his wrist
Like Dom said though, no one would have remembered that performance because of the outcome, if Ray had missed no one would've remembered the 16
Abudu Saaka But if they didnt hit those shots lebron would be 1-8....aka his legacy would be shattered
Abudu Saaka nobody would remember that, if Ray Allen didn't save him
You mean, LeBron *BRICKED* a 3 before *Ray Allen* hit that miracle shot.
"nO bUt lEbRoN jAmES sCoReD 16 pTs iN tHe 4Th QuAtER aNd hAd A tRiPLe dOu.." stfu
I love your argument on why both are different in terms of LeBron's legacy:
Kyrie's shot was mutually beneficial to both him and LeBron because LeBron made the block that brought momentum back for the Cavs to win and Kyrie sealed it with his 3 over Curry. So, in this case, it furthered LeBron's legacy and etched Kyrie's name in NBA history
Ray Allen's shot saved LeBron's legacy not because LeBron didn't show up because he did with 16 in the 4th and the 3 during the Heat's previous possession to cut the lead to 2 but because LeBron and the Heat still had a lot to prove and if Ray misses that shot, there's no OT, no Game 7 or no 37 point performance by LeBron in that Game 7.
Simply put: Kyrie's shot FURTHERED LeBron's legacy because it was assisted by LeBron's iconic block and LeBron was the clear leader on a team effort on their 3-1 comeback; Ray Allen's shot SAVED LeBron's legacy because of the circumstances of that Game 6 and the stakes on the line and NOT BECAUSE LEBRON DIDN'T SHOW UP (REMEMBER HE HAD 16 POINTS IN THE 4TH QUARTER WHEN MIAMI WAS DOWN AND HE HIT THE 3 TO BRING THEM WITHIN 2).
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Loving the uptick in videos Dom keep em coming
If that iconic block never happened the Kyrie Irving shot probably would of never mattered
LeBron showed up in those games and his teammates just hit those important shots simple as that💯 (don't like LBJ btw)
Look at it this way if it weren't for LeBron they wouldn't have made the finals.
@@mitchletsplays1922 MJ didn't make every big play down the stretch either. MJ is the goat btw, I just am looking at this objectively and no goat nominee never got help at some point.
@@mitchletsplays1922 missed every shot in clutch time? He scored 14 straight points
v2_Kxng game 7 2013
Sir Z Gaming facts niggas always trying discredit lebron like he just was supposed to hit every shot and do everything tf he got a team for ? Like u never hear nobody saying Robert Horry saves Kobe and shaq legacy when he hit the game winner against the kings or MJ when Steve Kerr hit the game winner lol
Lebron put his teammates in position for those great moments with his play throughout those 4th quarters and those series in general.
And both times lebron made a 3 to tie the game or put them in a position to win and tie
Ray Allen definitely saved him in that series because they were down 3-2 and if Ray misses that shot it’s game over.
In Kyrie’s case I’m gonna say he didn’t save Bron but he helped a lot. That was a game 7 that could have went either way. It was 89-89 before Kyrie hit the shot. But if Kyrie misses that shot the game would still be tied so it could be anyone’s game to win.
Trevel The Critic Well said
Jawpoppin Off No Well Said
Trevel The Critic lol so Lebron 15 points in 4th and his 3 before Ray’s 3 doesn’t matter?
Jose Rivas If the Heat lost in game 6, everything Lebron did would be an afterthought. For example, consider Tim Duncan’s shot against the Lakers in 2004 that would’ve won the game if not for Fisher’s 0.4 shot. Anytime you even bring up Duncan’s shot, people immediately think of Fisher’s shot that actually won the game. Lebron’s efforts and Duncan’s shot would be thought of the same way. Incredible, but not enough
@@jawpoppinoff6511 Naw fam I feel what you're saying but Lebron laid the foundation for that shot to even exist.
THANK YOU
As a Spurs fan I remember that Ray Allen shot 👀 in the moment I remember I was screaming at the TV 😂 now it's something good to remember almost 6 years later 👀
Short answer Dom, yes. The fact is. Without Kyries shot (and yes we don’t know what could e happened if he missed) and Ray Allen’s shot which 100% saved him, the greatest player (so called) would be 1-8 in the NBA finals. Not to mention he’s the player who pioneered modern Free Agency and basically choose his own path.
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
I thought a game winner was the last bucket made by a player. Bron made a FT after Kyrie shot
ZuffyG hhh Bronsexual stupidity is off the chart
ZuffyG How can Bron’s FT be a game winner if they were already up by 3
You have to make both free throws btw
@@jodesonsayoc2320 I think he's trying to say how kyrie have a game winner if he didn't make the last shot
Stop it
Shots that are just as iconic as these two:
“The Shot” by MJ, the other shot by MJ, that other shot by MJ, that other shot by MJ...
Don't forget that shot by Kerr, and that shot by Paxon...
Dom i have been watching your vids for a while but i just start watching your barber shop talks and they are very good
please make this series a playlist
*Absolutely!!*
Ray Allen, Adam Silver(suspending Green) and Kyrie Irving.
Solentos shut up
Draymond did it to himself
Oh for fucks sakes, draymond green spent that entire season with one foot on the court, another foot buried deep between another mans testicles.
He could not for the life of him stop kicking dudes in the nuts all fucking season. He did it to Adam silver in the playoffs too.. after his dirty play in the finals the refs had finally had enough and decided to suspend him.
This is completely and entirely his fault not lebrons and he deserved that suspension.
didn't know ray allen won the game in OT as well
It's almost like you missed the point. If Allen's shot missed, there's NO OT to win...
@Kenneth Erickson Your dumbass clearly shouldn't be talking because you clearly miss the comprehension that would've made you realize what my position is on that shot
My answer: Yes. Both of them saved LeBron's legacy especially Ray Allen.
They did not. He shower out in both games. Your just a hater
@@animecity9678 Miami was a different case tho plus heat was probably still losing in 2014 Lebron being 1-4 in the finals is such a massive stain and his only ring coming out of a lockout year would’ve been viewed as fraudulent
LeBron wasnt super outmatched in 2016 like everyone says he was
Cad Chamberlain bitch what???? He was facing a 73-9 team with the first unanimous MVP. Shut yo ass up, nobody thought he was winning that finals. Ppl were saying “2-5 is coming” before the finals even started
Connor R. Smith yea but warriors faced key injuries and the draymond suspension
ibrahim azhar what key injures? Bogut? Before bogut got injured in game 5 he was averaging 12 minutes per game. Look it up. That’s only one quarter... nobody else was injured. Don’t say Steph cause Steph had come back down 3-1 just the series before. And draymond played 6 out of the possible 7 games. Y’all act like this dude misses multiple games. It was game 5!
no excuses for Lebron losing 6 outta 9 finals
Connor R. Smith they won 73 games true but bro they still wasn’t out matches
Thank you for saying it was mutual beneficial! NBA twitter will have you think Bron came back 3-1 by himself when it was a team effort and he was obviously the leader but he didn’t do it alone
When everyone forgets about 2011 outplayed by a role player
Spencer Macdonald the same role player that swept the lakers who were coming off a championship
I believe the key word here is "outplayed"....not simply that the Mavs won
No reason Terry should've averaged more points than LeBron...especially considering how dominant Bron was against the Bulls with their MVP Derrick Rose the series before.
Spencer Macdonald trust me spencer, no one has forgotten about 2011
2016 and 2011 cancel each other out IMO
The role player got dunked on by lebron years later
Just found your channel but I love your stuff. You have a cool voice
That Shot changed history
Great video! love you content!
Came up in the clutch again dom
What’s the background song that starts at 10:32 and last for about 10 secs
Dwades legacy is very very interesting, he was once considered by many to be the best player in the league in the late 2000s but he’s now forgotten as a dominant player, I’d love to see a video on him
Because he only won once as the first option in 2006 and the whole series was very questionable in terms of refs. In the next 2 championship runs he was playing behind Lebron, so ppl tend to forget about him at this point
What makes the other channel your main channel? I watch all the b-ball content you come out w/ here.
I think you should make a video on enlightening people on how good Wade was and his career highlights.
To add on about Paxson and Kerr, in both situations MJ drove into the paint to draw multiple defenders on him to create an opening for both of them to take the shot. As for Lebron, he commited 2 turnovers in the final minute, missed the 3 himself and played no part in Bosh grabbing the offensive rebound and Ray Allen hitting that difficult step back 3. So yeah MJ's scenarios are nothing like Lebron's and Ray Allen indeed saved Lebron's legacy
Exactly this.
No he didn’t
@@Abbad1579 not
@@jasonmoukala8909 How?
@@Abbad1579 because basketball is a team sport. Everyone has to contribute to the chip. There’s no saving
what about bosh's offensive rebound and assist to allen? without that rebound there would be no shot. no one credits bosh on that rebound
I think it’s crazy how the warriors first win get discredited because of cavs injuries but the cavs win in 16 isn’t discredited when there were injuries and suspensions.
It’s still tough they still have to win 3 games in row
I completely agree, I just hate that Kyrie doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the way he balled in that series..1 of the best supporting cast performances ever and goes completely overlooked, Kevin Loves D on Steph goes unnoticed as well
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Bro I was way to into that 2k wizards vs. Lakers game😂
What's the intro song called
Sir Dom2k with the facts once more
OMG can we just let this go already?
Honestly without Lebron those moments never even happen..he carried and lead both those teams.
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Real quick lets not forget about when kyrie drove to the rim and almost turned the ball over like the possession after that
Intro song?
When you forget everything that leads up to those points..
Lebron Choked dude in last 3 min both games in the 4th. this is why Lebron needed to play with 3 all stars so the 4th best player on team( Ray Allen) can save him wen the other 2 stars can't n oooops my bad the otha star bosh was part of the SAVED to by grabbing the REBOUND n assist to Ray Allen
@@juwandunbar8897 bro nobody got saved they just did their part.
Once Bogut got hurt and Draymond got suspended the complexion of that series changed. That fucked up the momentum and groove bro. On top of Barnes going missing and Curry getting ejected from a game where they could've came back from. All that shit back to back was like What the fuck
Here’s a topic: If Kobe had won the 2004 and 2008 finals, would he be considered the GOAT? This is assuming he keeps the same stats throughout the rest of his career.
depends on how good he was in those 2 series...also his 2000 finals are pretty overrated..that was shaqs team..kobe really only was a legit guy on 4 title teams ..sure he was great in 2000 but not very efficient or high scoring or passing..
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Yo great vid
Only people who say that are LeBron haters and Warriors/MJ/Kobe stans
Nope..... You are just a stan
MM25 and actual smart people
@@darriongray2013 I guess it's a reference to the Eminem song, but I don't know what does it mean to "be a Stan". Lol.
We warriors fan don’t care, we beat him in 3 finals in 4.
Raheem Phillips exactly
What’s the beat
Another point about Ray Allen's shot: the Big 3 Heat still had to make that shot count. Had they lost in OT or Game 7, nobody would've remembered it. We do now only because they ended up winning that championship. It's like KD's shot against the Bucks: for now, it'll be remembered 'cause it's still recent, but in the future, it won't be 'cause they lost.
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Lebron is a lot closer to 1-8 than people realise
Erik Lerström which mavs game bruh? Heat lost in 6....
Erik Lerström if he easily could have won that series why did he put up 16 points a game throughout?
Erik Lerström no because the difference is between being 1-8 and 3-6 is that Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving had their hands all over the crime scene.
Erik Lerström he was the best player on the court in every series he has been a part of since 2008. Of course he is the reason he won 3. Also the reason he has lost 6...
Erik Lerström because it is his responsibility. Why does this man blame everyone but himself?
Lebron was the reason the Heat were in that game he was CLUTCH in that comeback. He also had a really strong performance in game 7 against Golden State.
Ray n kyrie saved LeBron ass
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Great video.
Agreed If Kyrie misses, game still tied and 50 seconds left
If ray missed that Game and Team is OVER
If lebron lost to the spurs his career would have been tarnished where as if he lost to the 73-9 team he was the underdog
Who is the most clutch player in nba history
yes they did, I don't care if lebron scored 100 in the fourth, if ray allen misses the shot they lose the game. I don't care about lebron's block, if kyrie misses the shot who knows what happened. What if jordan misses his game 6 win or utah? Or game 5 winner against the cavs , or game 2 shot in 90-91 against the lakers? You have to deal the deal. Tracy mcgrady 13 pts in 37 seconds wouldn't mattered if he didn't hit the game winner. Point blank period
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
According to this logic Kerr and Kukoc saved Jordan's Legacy
Saw a Dom2k video pop up,so I clicked simple.
For 2016 vs the Warriors? No. But it did show his character. He’s not on MJ’s level of a killer or having that competitive edge. That’s just who he is. And he gets way too much credit for that series.
Ray Allen’s shot? It’s a little different. LeBron did play well in that crucial game 6....up until the final moments leading up to that. I’m pretty sure he had some bad turnovers and missed a shot before the Ray Allen 3. It would’ve looked real bad if the heat lost that series. There wasn’t any time left on the clock. If LeBron HAD to step up, it should’ve been right there. And let’s not forget Greg Popvich’s uncaharcteristic stupid move where he subbed out Tim Duncan. Just pointing that out because a lot of “luck” had to happen in order for the Heat to even make it out of there alive. LeBron was looking a little suspect near the end of regulation but that’s pretty much it.
So we gonna ignore that legendary chasedown block and only rate a GW shot? Bs. He gets the right credit he deserves. He led both teams in points assists rebounds steals and blocks (1st time ever for anyone in any playoff series length) while coming back from 3-1 deficit against 73 win team. That type of performance when combined with the context it was in was all-time great finals material.
Edgar Gordillo i love how the teams that Bron beats get excuses. But when he gets excuses made for him
his haters cry. these are just what ifs. These are not the outcome and the outcome only matters
Evan Fabio The one thing that bothers me about 2016 is how unfair fans evaluate that finals and 2015. “Oh LeBron lost 2015 because of injuries” (which is mostly true)
But no one talks about how beat up the Warriors were going into that series. People make it sound like LeBron went in there and defeated them healthy and at the peak of their powers. Curry clearly rushed himself back too quickly, Iggy looked like a walking mummy, Draymond missed a game, and Bogut blew his knee out. Your 6th man and 3 starters either missed a game or weren’t 100%.
If LeBron gets a pass for 2015, the Warriors should get some slack for 2016. 🤷🏻♂️
Drippy Jay It’s not about what ifs. It’s about putting everything into some real context.
Edgar Gordillo Kyrie and Love are not equivalent to Iggy and Bogut. Not even close. Kyrie played 1 game in that 2015 series after being in and out of the lineup throughout the playoffs and Love was gone since the first round. So LeBron even getting them to the finals was a big deal.
Steph wasn’t “hurt” when he screaming “IM BACK! IM FUCKING BACK!” against Portland but when Russ and later Kyrie are working him he’s “injured”. That’s bullshit.
Draymond missed a game on his on doing. He should’ve been suspended for kicking Steven Adams in the nuts so much...
For those of you comparing the Steve Kerr free throw open jumper to Ray Allens 3point shot with a hand in his face.
There is video footage of the bench where MJ is talking to Kerr during the timeout. MJ tells him "John is gonna come double team me so be ready.." and Steve replies "If he comes, I'll be ready.."
They go in, Stocton doubles, MJ makes the pass and Steve hits a free throw jumper. MJ was expecting it, they planned it and executed it.
Now, can you sit there and say that any part of the Hail Mary sequence of Allens shot was actually part of a "drawn out play" ?
Edrigangr there’s a camera angle where lebron said Kyrie you goin take the shot
@@hiitsme3039 KERRS SHOT WAS NOT A ELIMINATION GAME!
The thing is, lebron led the comeback against the spurs and hit the 3 pointer before that. He also led the charge in OT and dominated game 7 which featured him icing the game.
Lebron choked bro. got saved by Kyrie n Ray shuda been 1-8 finals record
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Here live baby 👶🏾
I think its possible that they did save his legacy, but that doesnt imply he didnt play great. In MIA, he missed the shot that mattered most, and if Ray misses, nobody remembers Bron playing great because he lost again, but since Ray hit it, and now we remember it as Bron scored 16 in the 4th. Pretty much the same thing with Kyrie, but we dont know how that game turns out
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
LeBron would be 1-9 without those guys shots
LeBron did not play good in 2016 game 7. It amazes me how ppl trash Kobe for shooting 6-24 in game 7, while LeBron gets praised for going 9-24
Yup
If I may ask how do you know that
Triple Double...Game Saving Block...Clutch Free Throws...yeah he played terrible 🤦🏾♂️
Didnt lebron have a triple double in 7 and alot happened after that shot ppl dont know basketball man
They both played well on those games, as people said, LBJ had a triple double and shit, Kobe on the other hand wasn't scoring that efficiently (but nobody on that game was either, also his hand was busted that year) but grabbed a ton of rebounds, something that would be really relevant on that game, Lakers basically rebounded their way to victory
Yes...yes they did buddy
So because he showed up in those games he gets a pass for choking when it mattered most?
ikr but Lebron fans wana say Steve Kerr n paxson save mj lmfao
I would say the thing that would put him in front of mj is a game 7 3ot amazing game to win the finals as it would be a spectacular sight
Great video but I know yall see Javale on the game going crazy lol
did Kerr and Kukoc save Jordan's? does it matter?
hell no! they didn't. saving sumbody is wen u hit the last second do or die shot from losing n getting eliminated. n off Lebron miss shot bosh n Ray SAVED him n Kyrie saved Lebron or else 1-8 finals record lmfaoooo for Lebron
No they didn't. Mj carried bulls to 6-0 finals record n no game 7 while KYRIE n ray saved lebron life
I’ll put it this way for you leexcuse fans.... if those two shots didn’t go down and fall, his legacy would be hurting VERY VERY much and that also means he would have 2 rings and honestly maybe even 1 if the warriors score..... let that sink in.
So U can say that Fisher horry saved Kobe and Kerr saved mj... Fuckin disgrace
Big Fella notice how these are ifs. If Kobe didnt get drafted to the lakers he would
probably only have two rings.
no one says shaq saved Kobe...shaq had the 3 FMVPs during that 3peat. horry and fisher hit clutch shots but they didn't save Kobes legacy... why is Lebron not allowed to have teammates do their job, but Kobe is? why the double standard? keep that same energy at all times bro
if you say Ray Allen and Kyrie saved Lebron, then shaq/horry/fisher saved Kobe too. its only fair
Drippy Jay kobe wasn’t drafted to the lakers dumbshit
Big Fella the only one u can say that about is Ray Allens shot because if that doesn't go in there's a 90% chance that game is over. If Kyries doesn't go in anything could happen so don't make that argument
Before I watch the video ...... yes they did
Nice vid
How ironic, the 2 clutchest shots we ever saw in our life saved LeBron life
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
Agree on Kyrie likely not saving his legacy but Ray definitively did. Bron throws a brick, Bosh rebounds and Ray hits the 3. I think Pop deserves credit for saving Bron because he sat Tim Duncan for that play.
No because what block led to that shot
What three lead to the clutches shot of all time?
Who carried in OT
Who carried in. Game 7? Of the spurs v heat
LeBron got his ass saved by kyrie n ray
Did Steve Kerr and John Paxson save MJ ‘s legacy?
heeeelllllll noooooooooo!!!!
This is brought up everyday if you watch undisputed lol
There would be no GAME 7 for Lebron to perform in WITHOUT KYRIE's GAME 5 AND RAY ALLEN's GAME 6 3pointer🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Kyrie argubaly hit the clutchest shot ever for lebron only ring in CLEVELAND🤷🤷
Not barbershop talk. Skip Bayless talk 😂😂😂😂
naw this is real talk, Kyrie n Ray saved Lebron
no! this is really REAL TALK. ray n Kyrie fasho saved tf outta Lebron but of course all of Lebron fans aint go admit it
He should have one ring v thunder only
Big facts💯
Please do a Dwayne Wade video!
What people don’t realize is if Ray Allen missed that shot, LeBron would of been remembered choking away another finals
yes they did lebron would be 1 out of 9 in finals appearances
I didn’t know it was over when kyrie made it. It was the 2 greatest shooters ever down by 3 points. The ray Allen shot still had ot and a game 7
bro Ray n Kyrie save tf outta Lebron
bro Ray SAVED tf outta Lebron, if Ray miss shot it's over, forget ot n game 7 n if Kyrie miss, that game wuda went OT 89-89 n warriors wuda won giving them xtra 5 minutes
G it’s a team sport what does it matter because they wouldn’t even have got to the finals without LB.
Ray Allen did without a doubt! Like c'mon man i watched the entire game and Lebron literally almost blew it with those bogus 4th quarter turnovers.
and what did he do in OT? took over
@@20willsdude Point is, without Ray Allen's shot in the 4th, THERE IS NO OT
@@theflyingmonkey6454 point is without lebron scoring those points, ray Allen's shot wouldn't matter..... do you say the same about kerr hitting the buzzer beater for jordan?
@@20willsdude See I knew you would say that, was thinking about writing this in my first comment but decided to see if you would bite. Here is the "point": The point is, what happens before dosent matter, lebron could of scored 50 for all I cared, he bricked and choked the shot that he needed to make, and Ray Allen saved him. And no I dont say the same for Jordan because there was one more game to be played if Kerr dosent hit it, and knowing Jordan, I would bet my life he would man handle everybody in that game 7, because he lived for moments like those. But if that was game 7, then yes, kerr would have saved him, but only for that ring, not his legacy, BECAUSE HE STILL HAD 4 RINGS, AND WOULD BE 4-1 Ray Allen dosent hit that shot, and Lebron gets crucified. His so called "Super Team", managed to win 1 out of 3, and the 1 was against a bunch of young, 2nd or 3rd year players. Im not hating on him either, because I only feel this way about Ray Allen's shot, and dont think that Kyrie saved him, because they still had a chance to win it even if Kyrie dosent make it.
@@theflyingmonkey6454 you don't say that for jordan because there was one more game....... well there was one more quarter to be played. missing a shot doesn't mean you choked. he brought his team out of a deficit to begin with. we've seen him been clutch in more than enough situations even before that game and you want to say he choked? they went to overtime and a game 7...... he dominated, they won, but but but but Ray Allen shot saved man shut up. he won
Was anyone else crazy fucking frustrated with that lebron game play? HOLY SHIT
Simple answer: yes..... done no intro
Yes. The same way Pippen and Kerr saved Jordan's, the same way Magic saved Kareem's, and Shaq and Pau saved Kobe's.
David Reyna don’t forget Robert horry and Derry fisher for kobe
David Reyna Kerr did not save Jordan's Jordan and Kerr came up with the shot together and he shot the game winning shot next year and even if he missed he would still be shot one of the goats in any order between kareem and wilt and probably would still be called goat
If only people could watch the video before getting in their feelings.
Kyrie misses that shot (& CLE doesn't get the off.reb.) it's a momentum shift back to Golden State.
That's the fishiest Finals I can recall seeing. Curry (known for shooting halfcourt shots) doesn't try to get get something quick, no play is run and he's somehow d'd up by KEVIN LOVE! 🐟
I thought this was a good place to talk about this on NBA 2K 18 NBA 2K 19 the character ATM is in both games that means that the game has continuity you should talk about it I think it’s pretty interesting
The fact is if Ray doesn't hit that 3, Miami loses the Finals.... the Kyrie while clutch didn't guarantee GS the dub... even if they didn't contribute to the legacy, Lebron would still be one of the greatest
Yep they did..... and also, him averaging 17 ppg and 38fg%in 2011 finals (terry off the bench 18 ppg and 50+ fg%) and in game 4 of that series scoring 8 points, 0 in the fourth quarter.... that already cemented his legacy as not the goat.... add to that being 3-6 and twice being swept🤦♂️ oh and dont forget 2014 finals game 3. In last 3 quarters he had 8 points and 7 TO.... bad man.... he bad
Right? Shaq Chuck and Kenny all said that you need at least two All Stars to win the finals and when he left Cleveland they went from having one of the best records to winning only 20 games. & Ray Allen Saved brons legacy? Let's say they lost hypothetically. How many rings does he have to his legacy? Even if they hypothetically lost in Miami he's still got three rings. Skip that's ur hook to get clicks. he ain't done nothing else besides hate on LeBron. Statistically double in the clutch. And as if Miami gets to the finals without LeBron anyways.
In ny opinion Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving saved his legacy without these 2 he would have 2 less rings.
Dilo Lilongwe so did Lebron play like trash in those games? Cuz getting saved is when your playing like straight garbage and your team still wins
@@lakernation26 Im not saying he did but without them those 2 rings wouldn't be his.
Dilo Lilongwe you can say that shit for Jordan kobe and Duncan as well🤷🏽♂️
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Killmonger 24 LeBron was trash in the 2013 finals before the 4th quarter of game 6. LeBrick shot 9-24 in game 7 of the 2016 finals. You can't say the same for MJ, Kobe, and Tim Duncan