@@wainber1 At least we have an Owner who isn't cheap now, plus it's been a decade or so since we made the playoffs, times are changing, the bad coaches are gone, and Staios knows what he's doing.
@@Dexter037S4 The Sens‘ current regular season hasn’t been going great but they have a 3-2-0-0 win-regulation loss-OT loss-shootout loss record and won their most-recent game. Whether they will continue to keep pace in the Eastern Conference playoff race remains TBD although at least they’re not the 2-4-0-0 Oilers or, even worse, the 0-5-0-0 Preds.
My biggest issue with Dorion is he traded so much fucking draft capital in the last 2 seasons just to try and save his job. We lost so much picks for 1 year of Debrincat and 1 year of Chychrun.
i just dont know why everyone wanted Chychrun like neither he nor Sanderson or Chabot played high levels on the right side. The latter two didnt even play a game on the right side. They just think moving a defenseman off side is easy. Especially both Chabot and Chychrun were known as great defensive player and they playing on the same pair.
10:08 Zub wasn’t a college free agent lol, he’s a Russian that came over from KHL.. and he actually hasn’t been that bad he’s been really good for them, especially in tough times. But besides that amazing video!!
@@bostonwarrior4824 My bad. A whole lot of details to cover, inevitably some of em get blurry. But we agree that he’s been good! Our “ding” in the montage intends to highlight a *good* roster transaction/decision. I also forgot to give him credit for the Pageau trade, which in my opinion is probably his best move. Had it in the script but somehow missed putting it in the video!
At the time I wanted the sens to keep Stone through the rebuild and make his the captain. I thought that he was still young enough that he’d be effective after the rebuild while being a mentor for the young guys. Looking back too I feel like this would’ve been the best move.
As a resident of Ottawa (I'm a Leafs fan though), I fully believe that Melnyk still made all the decisions when he was alive and people like Dorion and the multiple head coaches they had were the ones who just took bullets for him.
Dorion knew his job was in jeopardy after Melnyk passed away. He just started swinging for the fences and went for all the big flashy names instead of building a proper team
tbh I liked ADB trade quite a lot although I was against Chychrun from the day the rumour started. I thought ADB actually could fit 18 and 28 quite well but it just didnt work out bc of incompetent coaching.
Fans of the Sens can only hope even with last season the Canucks having finished first in the Pacific Division after having the season before that finished 12 points out of a playoff spot.
Dorion has had some terrible misses, but I think the team is in a very optimistic spot. We'll see how this comment ages after the season - lol. The core is locked up. Zub was an amazing pick-up and is our best stay at home D right now. Batherson is a 25+ goal scorer just under 5 million for another two years after this season. A lot of people weren't sure about Sanderson at #5, and he's our best offensive defenseman already. Pinto and Greig are solid depth forwards, and the blueline has young guys like Kleven who are now NHL ready. Hell, a lot of folks were saying Ottawa should draft Zadina over Tkachuk (on draft day, not in hindsight) and obviously that would have been a disaster. For me, the goaltending management has been his garbage under his watch, but when you look at how exciting this team is, a lot of it was done under D's watch. We'll see how things pan out.
Although Dorion made officially made all the moves, I truly think Eugene Melnyk was pulling all the strings and Dorion was just his puppet. Too many owners in the league thinking they know better and end up with some flaming hot garbage for years to come after a disappointing playoff run
@@jackg2630 he moved to Ottawa when he was 12 I believe, he went to high school there, played his junior hockey in Gatineau, he's pretty much from the area.
I had a hard time paying attention because of all the Radiohead songs lmao - Everything In Its Right Place - 15 Step - Reckoner - All I Need - House of Cards
@@beanbag2541 I have that problem while I’m editing too. Makes me question the musical choices hahaha. Idk. My favourite part is picking out music that helps build the pace, but I do feel your point. If I get more feedback along similar lines maybe ill go with something a bit more generic. Thanks for watching nonetheless!
@@WhatsHappeningHockey Nah don’t worry, I had no problem paying attention. I just love the band so much that it was cool recognizing the songs (In Rainbows is a god tier album)
@@beanbag2541 recently revisited their stuff for the first time in 2-3 years. In Rainbows remains my favourite, but Hail to the Thief has become a close second.
I personally disagree with calling any picks from 2021 (from any team) a whiff this early. Zack Ostapchuk actually looks like he’ll be a good top 9 forward, but I do agree that Tyler Boucher would have been better picked later on.
@@WhatsHappeningHockeyJust reacting to the initial statement man, obviously if the “it might be too early to tell” nullified your point then you wouldn’t make it at all. No hate here just thought it was an interesting talking point. Boucher is looking like the biggest bust we’ve had but ostapchuk is pleasantly projecting to be a middle 6 utility forward.
@@PapaJu1ce no intention to evoke butt hurt feelings, brother. When writing these videos, it’s just a matter of: “holy shit there’s a lot to cover”. Especially with these montage segments, we try to include some kind of impression. Was it a good roster transaction? Was it a bad one? Hard to dive into specific details on EVERYTHING, you know? Ostapchuk could very well develop into what you’re projecting. No slight against him. But even if he does, that draft is still a bit of a blemish.
@@WhatsHappeningHockey What makes it even more pitiful is the contrast with the Karlsson return. Everyone knew they wanted to trade Karlsson, he'd been shopped around for months and supposedly deals to L.A. and/or Vegas fell through, while Stone wanted to stay and was younger - yet Dorion got a significantly better return for Karlsson. A real headscratcher.
Only Melynk would offer a contract extension to a GM that ended in last place for 2 years. Only Dorian would offer a coach a contract extension that never ended up over the bottom 5. Some mischievous actions must of been happening behind closed doors.
Went through middle school and graduated high school now in college and the sens haven’t made the playoffs I’ll just stay as a sad sens for another season 😭
At least he draft choices wasn't that terrible after drafting Brady Tkachuk, Ridley Greg, Jake Sanderson, Pinto , Mads Sogard, these players were complete steals
I will never forgive Dorion as a Sens fan for the Zibanejad trade. A 7th round pick and Derrick Brassard is a disgustingly low return on Zibanejad and a 2nd round pick
I think that one was all about the money. Brassard was very cheap since he'd already been paid his bonus for the year by the Rangers and wasn't making much salary, and Zibanejad needed a new expensive contract. I'd place the blame about 60/40 between Melnyk and Dorion on that one.
See also: The Buffalo Sabres and the Pegulas. Until the Sabres get their own version of Beane who has the clout and experience to tell Kim Pegula to fuck off and just sign the cheques, its gonna be a nonstop gongshow in Buffalo.
Ottawa isnt making the playoffs this year... the Atlantic has Florida/Boston/Toronto finishing 1-3 in one order or another, and which wildcard team from last year took a far enough step back for Ottawa to overtake them? There was a 13 point gap between them and Washington.... they werent even a .500 team... its VERY rare a team can turn it around so quickly, adding Ullmark was a great move, but beyond that they really didnt address team issues and teams like New Jersey and Detroit are strong contenders Ottawa would have to leapfrog to make a spot, and thats assuming Washington or Tampa massively regresses...
Canucks did it last year + Green has a similar coaching style to Tocchet (they're also good friends) so why not the Sens, especially having a goalie who's at least as good as Demko.
You’re really lacking some contextual information here as far as “inheriting” this squad. Dorion was the Sens head amateur scout for a long time previous to be hired as their AGM for 3 years and then their GM. It’s well known around Ottawa that Dorion vouched for some of their best picks in his time as head scout between 07-14. When he was their AGM, he ran scouting, while now disgraced and convicted sexual harasser Randy Lee ran Belleville. Dorion was a terrible GM because he sucks at evaluating pro-talent and his push in for Duchene, while great for me as a Avs fan living in Ottawa, is what sealed his fate as a bad GM. Anybody that actually knew hockey saw Stone and Karlsson carried that team. They had a bunch of ok depth pieces, Andersson was their only reliable goalie because they suck at developing goalies, and Ryan played the playoffs of his life. Dorion is a great amateur scout, a good AGM, and a terrible GM. Had he been left as an AGM that ran scouting and Ottawa found a GM that could evaluate pro-level players and properly size up that team, Dorion would still be considered a good hockey mind among people that pay close attention to secondary management pieces.
Just because an offensive defenseman puts up alot of points, doesn't make him the best DEFENSEman. Karlsson was awful in our zone and I was happy we got rid of him
That’s fair, but I don’t think there’s any way to deny that Karlsson was the main reason they made it to the ECF. One of the best playoff runs I’ve personally seen from a dman
@@WhatsHappeningHockey from what I watched id give more credit to Turris for showing great leadership Stone and Pageau played well as well abd most importantly Methot for covering Karlssons ass every time he pinched and never bsckchecked. Also the credit ill give Karlsson is that he played so much better with less minutes, but because every coach played him too much, he had to conserve energy so he'd skip backchecking lol When Methot wasn't protected and left Karlsson wasn't as good as people thought he was imo
As a Canadiens fan, I know how terrible management can waste away team assets. I hope the Senators have a better future.
A bunch of names will be dealt at the deadline.
Maybe the Sens won’t fully repeat the Oilers’ so-called decade-of-darkness but I don’t encourage fans to get their hopes up too much on that count.
@@wainber1 ya, this dark time may not be over anytime soon.
@@wainber1 At least we have an Owner who isn't cheap now, plus it's been a decade or so since we made the playoffs, times are changing, the bad coaches are gone, and Staios knows what he's doing.
@@Dexter037S4 The Sens‘ current regular season hasn’t been going great but they have a 3-2-0-0 win-regulation loss-OT loss-shootout loss record and won their most-recent game. Whether they will continue to keep pace in the Eastern Conference playoff race remains TBD although at least they’re not the 2-4-0-0 Oilers or, even worse, the 0-5-0-0 Preds.
My biggest issue with Dorion is he traded so much fucking draft capital in the last 2 seasons just to try and save his job. We lost so much picks for 1 year of Debrincat and 1 year of Chychrun.
@@nickboyd6716 But he’s a 40 goal scorer!
@@WhatsHappeningHockey :(
year of the midget and year of the tinman
the cat and chych were so overrated
i just dont know why everyone wanted Chychrun like neither he nor Sanderson or Chabot played high levels on the right side. The latter two didnt even play a game on the right side. They just think moving a defenseman off side is easy.
Especially both Chabot and Chychrun were known as great defensive player and they playing on the same pair.
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10:08 Zub wasn’t a college free agent lol, he’s a Russian that came over from KHL.. and he actually hasn’t been that bad he’s been really good for them, especially in tough times. But besides that amazing video!!
@@bostonwarrior4824 My bad. A whole lot of details to cover, inevitably some of em get blurry. But we agree that he’s been good! Our “ding” in the montage intends to highlight a *good* roster transaction/decision. I also forgot to give him credit for the Pageau trade, which in my opinion is probably his best move. Had it in the script but somehow missed putting it in the video!
Zub is really solid for the Sens. A true fan favourite.
Zub was good enough to play on the Russian national team
@@WhatsHappeningHockey appreciate owning up to your mistake! Zub has been super solid for Ottawa.
At the time I wanted the sens to keep Stone through the rebuild and make his the captain. I thought that he was still young enough that he’d be effective after the rebuild while being a mentor for the young guys. Looking back too I feel like this would’ve been the best move.
Love those GM recap videos ... keep up the good work!
@@fredericlatreille happy you enjoy them. Thanks for watching Frederic!
Imagine Melnyk didn’t stop the Hall-Ceci trade. Their chance of a cup in 2018 would’ve been a lot more realistic.
As a resident of Ottawa (I'm a Leafs fan though), I fully believe that Melnyk still made all the decisions when he was alive and people like Dorion and the multiple head coaches they had were the ones who just took bullets for him.
Great video! We need a GM video on Kevin Cheveldayoff and his tenure with the Winnipeg jets
Dorion knew his job was in jeopardy after Melnyk passed away. He just started swinging for the fences and went for all the big flashy names instead of building a proper team
tbh I liked ADB trade quite a lot although I was against Chychrun from the day the rumour started. I thought ADB actually could fit 18 and 28 quite well but it just didnt work out bc of incompetent coaching.
Finally a video that perfectly portrays why I can't sleep at night
I was a Dorion fan. I'm thrilled hes gone now. I didnt realize how bad he really was until new ownership came in
Dorion is a very good amateur scout, that is about it.
10/10 video. Stoked for the next one!
This is the year the sens finally make the playoffs…..right?
@@brennanschaufert4076 god have mercy
Staios aint much better sadly
@FirewagonHockey too early to say mate
Fans of the Sens can only hope even with last season the Canucks having finished first in the Pacific Division after having the season before that finished 12 points out of a playoff spot.
@@Stefan-rk6vl my mindset as well
An era Sens fans are glad they’re over! In Steady Steve Staios Michael Andlauer we trust!
Dorion has had some terrible misses, but I think the team is in a very optimistic spot. We'll see how this comment ages after the season - lol.
The core is locked up. Zub was an amazing pick-up and is our best stay at home D right now. Batherson is a 25+ goal scorer just under 5 million for another two years after this season. A lot of people weren't sure about Sanderson at #5, and he's our best offensive defenseman already. Pinto and Greig are solid depth forwards, and the blueline has young guys like Kleven who are now NHL ready. Hell, a lot of folks were saying Ottawa should draft Zadina over Tkachuk (on draft day, not in hindsight) and obviously that would have been a disaster.
For me, the goaltending management has been his garbage under his watch, but when you look at how exciting this team is, a lot of it was done under D's watch.
We'll see how things pan out.
Insanely good video I've never seen your channel before. Instantly subbed.
Thanks for watching!
Although Dorion made officially made all the moves, I truly think Eugene Melnyk was pulling all the strings and Dorion was just his puppet. Too many owners in the league thinking they know better and end up with some flaming hot garbage for years to come after a disappointing playoff run
7:03 JBD is definitely a notable pickup from the 2018 Draft
Only reason why Giroux signed here is because he's from Ottawa
He’s from Hearst - a francophone town that’s closer to Quebec City and Montreal than ottowa but whatever.
@@jackg2630 he moved to Ottawa when he was 12 I believe, he went to high school there, played his junior hockey in Gatineau, he's pretty much from the area.
@@jackg2630 ya and he spent loads of time in ottawa growing up, stfu lol
Exactly, both the husband and wife of two of my cousins went to high school with him and they were in the same year as him @@dannyl-p1543
My cousin' husband was in the same year of HS as Giroux. My aunt was in the same HS year as Claude Julien @@dannyl-p1543
I had a hard time paying attention because of all the Radiohead songs lmao
- Everything In Its Right Place
- 15 Step
- Reckoner
- All I Need
- House of Cards
@@beanbag2541 I have that problem while I’m editing too. Makes me question the musical choices hahaha. Idk. My favourite part is picking out music that helps build the pace, but I do feel your point. If I get more feedback along similar lines maybe ill go with something a bit more generic. Thanks for watching nonetheless!
@@WhatsHappeningHockey Nah don’t worry, I had no problem paying attention. I just love the band so much that it was cool recognizing the songs (In Rainbows is a god tier album)
@@beanbag2541 recently revisited their stuff for the first time in 2-3 years. In Rainbows remains my favourite, but Hail to the Thief has become a close second.
I remember the 07 Sens.
Would love to see one on the PC era for the oilers.
@@MapleLeafMav Stay tuned. Thanks for watching though!
I personally disagree with calling any picks from 2021 (from any team) a whiff this early. Zack Ostapchuk actually looks like he’ll be a good top 9 forward, but I do agree that Tyler Boucher would have been better picked later on.
@@PapaJu1ce hence the “might be too early to tell”.
@@WhatsHappeningHockeyJust reacting to the initial statement man, obviously if the “it might be too early to tell” nullified your point then you wouldn’t make it at all. No hate here just thought it was an interesting talking point. Boucher is looking like the biggest bust we’ve had but ostapchuk is pleasantly projecting to be a middle 6 utility forward.
@@PapaJu1ce no intention to evoke butt hurt feelings, brother. When writing these videos, it’s just a matter of: “holy shit there’s a lot to cover”. Especially with these montage segments, we try to include some kind of impression. Was it a good roster transaction? Was it a bad one? Hard to dive into specific details on EVERYTHING, you know? Ostapchuk could very well develop into what you’re projecting. No slight against him. But even if he does, that draft is still a bit of a blemish.
Became GM because someone died, got fired because someone died
the mark stone trade andthe derek brassard trade are by far the worst trades i've seen ottawa ever make
@@ry4nx the return on stone was pitiful
@@WhatsHappeningHockey What makes it even more pitiful is the contrast with the Karlsson return. Everyone knew they wanted to trade Karlsson, he'd been shopped around for months and supposedly deals to L.A. and/or Vegas fell through, while Stone wanted to stay and was younger - yet Dorion got a significantly better return for Karlsson. A real headscratcher.
Only Melynk would offer a contract extension to a GM that ended in last place for 2 years. Only Dorian would offer a coach a contract extension that never ended up over the bottom 5. Some mischievous actions must of been happening behind closed doors.
Went through middle school and graduated high school now in college and the sens haven’t made the playoffs I’ll just stay as a sad sens for another season 😭
That’s brutal mate, maybe this year….?
At least he draft choices wasn't that terrible after drafting Brady Tkachuk, Ridley Greg, Jake Sanderson, Pinto , Mads Sogard, these players were complete steals
At the time Chabot was worth 8 ms
Watching this video I can't help but thinking about that Simply Red song
Do one on Ken Holland during his time at Detroit.
@@swen1208 it will definitely come. A monster of a video. But in time! Thanks for watching.
Dorion was trading picks thinking the team was ready to start winning. Many fans agreed. Just a massive lesson learned
I will never forgive Dorion as a Sens fan for the Zibanejad trade. A 7th round pick and Derrick Brassard is a disgustingly low return on Zibanejad and a 2nd round pick
I think that one was all about the money. Brassard was very cheap since he'd already been paid his bonus for the year by the Rangers and wasn't making much salary, and Zibanejad needed a new expensive contract. I'd place the blame about 60/40 between Melnyk and Dorion on that one.
@@PeterDrake Fair point, I should've pointed more of the blame to Melnyk. I just didn't think to because the video focused on Dorion
It was impossible for Melnyk tonhire anyone more competent since no one more competant was interested in working for him.
See also: The Buffalo Sabres and the Pegulas. Until the Sabres get their own version of Beane who has the clout and experience to tell Kim Pegula to fuck off and just sign the cheques, its gonna be a nonstop gongshow in Buffalo.
Ottawa isnt making the playoffs this year... the Atlantic has Florida/Boston/Toronto finishing 1-3 in one order or another, and which wildcard team from last year took a far enough step back for Ottawa to overtake them? There was a 13 point gap between them and Washington.... they werent even a .500 team... its VERY rare a team can turn it around so quickly, adding Ullmark was a great move, but beyond that they really didnt address team issues and teams like New Jersey and Detroit are strong contenders Ottawa would have to leapfrog to make a spot, and thats assuming Washington or Tampa massively regresses...
League average goal tending along with a suspension free Pinto would have put them in the playoffs
Canucks did it last year + Green has a similar coaching style to Tocchet (they're also good friends) so why not the Sens, especially having a goalie who's at least as good as Demko.
Keep it up and some day you guys could be as bad as my Leafs.
Its also been said that he wore underwear or shorts when showering amongst the team. Weirdo.
You’re really lacking some contextual information here as far as “inheriting” this squad. Dorion was the Sens head amateur scout for a long time previous to be hired as their AGM for 3 years and then their GM.
It’s well known around Ottawa that Dorion vouched for some of their best picks in his time as head scout between 07-14. When he was their AGM, he ran scouting, while now disgraced and convicted sexual harasser Randy Lee ran Belleville.
Dorion was a terrible GM because he sucks at evaluating pro-talent and his push in for Duchene, while great for me as a Avs fan living in Ottawa, is what sealed his fate as a bad GM. Anybody that actually knew hockey saw Stone and Karlsson carried that team. They had a bunch of ok depth pieces, Andersson was their only reliable goalie because they suck at developing goalies, and Ryan played the playoffs of his life.
Dorion is a great amateur scout, a good AGM, and a terrible GM. Had he been left as an AGM that ran scouting and Ottawa found a GM that could evaluate pro-level players and properly size up that team, Dorion would still be considered a good hockey mind among people that pay close attention to secondary management pieces.
Fermentin?🤣
3:15 Mike disappears in the playoffs. No big loss after all.
0.61 PPGav in the post season. No doubt a one dimensional player. But “disappears” isnt quite fair.
Just because an offensive defenseman puts up alot of points, doesn't make him the best DEFENSEman. Karlsson was awful in our zone and I was happy we got rid of him
That’s fair, but I don’t think there’s any way to deny that Karlsson was the main reason they made it to the ECF. One of the best playoff runs I’ve personally seen from a dman
@@WhatsHappeningHockey from what I watched id give more credit to Turris for showing great leadership Stone and Pageau played well as well abd most importantly Methot for covering Karlssons ass every time he pinched and never bsckchecked.
Also the credit ill give Karlsson is that he played so much better with less minutes, but because every coach played him too much, he had to conserve energy so he'd skip backchecking lol
When Methot wasn't protected and left Karlsson wasn't as good as people thought he was imo