Just being able to select what wattage you want would be a lot better rather than just a single selection in software, BIOS is great, but it might be a bit intimidating for less experienced users
There's an option under PBO Advanced called CPU PPT, you can manually enter the max wattage of your CPU Package .. not a click and save but better than nothing, i have my 5900X set to power limit manual, 160W PPT, 110A TDC and 150A EDC.. got a decent 5% increase with 5C drop in temps
tempting is not it... but now i calculated, i paid 1130$ for the new build and now would have pay 60% more than that to get the new one so... i decided to like what i have :)
Use the Curve editor to negative 10 - 20 all Core ( depending on the CPU Lottery ) and undervolt your CPU , if you want to cool by Air , then start with a 140/150 Watt Power Limit ( which is the AM4 PPT of 142 W ) , you may loose 5-6 % Multicore Performance but you save 70-80 Watts ( under full load ) or if you set a 125 W Powerlimit you save a whopping 100 Watts at only 11 % Performance loss o n l y under full load . Its the full load where older AM4 Cooler can struggle to cool down an unlimited Zen4 with 230 Watts .
Thanks for this Tom, I did try Eco mode in Ryzen master and it caused all sorts of problems and ended up having to clear the CMOS, followed your guide and it works like a charm!
I hope this means future Ryzen Master updates will be able to set ECO mode to correct power level per chip? Whole thing would be better if it was smart enough to run eco all the time and just auto boost itself when cpu maxes out.
105W ECO mode is the sweet spot. You only lose 5-10% of performance, but reduce power consumption by nearly HALF. On top of this, gaming and single threaded performance remain unaffected.
Thank you for covering this. Hopefully they will add more options in Ryzen Master for various TDP modes kinda like what these new handhelds are doing. As someone looking to do a SFF build with the 7900X it would be nice to be able to easily in software configure the TDP for max performance at a wattage that will support more cooling options
Lian Li and dan are doing a case called a DAN A3 m-atx case ( check it out looks amazing ) basically a sff with a 360mm rad which could be a great option !! Im looking at the 7000 3d v cache versions im not really interested in the base 7000s but i hope by then or really soon they have sorted this eco mode set up ..
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 Thanks for the heads up on that Dan A3 case. Didn't know that was coming. I'm leaning towards the X3D chips myself. Hopefully they do a 7900X3D. Edit: I'm also wanting to see what the Meshroom D ends up being.
@@carsoncarolina2358 nice on the Meshroom D.. check out the ASUS PRIME AP 201 case another 360mm rad case maybe im just looking at over killing these new cpus with a 360mm rad my reasoning behind the Dan A3 and the ASUS PRIME AP201 case is their both itx/m-atx with 360mm support but also ATX psu in a smaller form factor ..ASUS is a bit bigger though at 33 litres .. i dont think the 7900xt will be as power hungry as the 4090 but with these new cpu's and gpu's eating so much power you have more options when it comes to ATX psu's where as i think to my scouring of the internet the silverstone sfx 1000 is the only sfx at 1000watts.. my plan is a 7900xt at release .. ive got a corsair hx1000w psu and i just ordered a arctic freezer ii 360 aio ( their out of stock across Australia so i guess people are already looking at 360s for the zen4 ) then im going to buy the rog crosshair gene m-atx mobo and like you im either going the 7900x3d or go big for a few years with the 7950x3d if its a thing !! just tossing up the case now as im using the nr200p max 5800x3d and 6900xt !!
For Multi-Threaded work, what matters is the energy used to complete a task, if we want to do things scientifically we should measure that. What's the point of consuming 33% less if my render takes 50% longer?? In the end might use the same amount of energy.
Yeah, I have a 7950x so basically turn on the 65w eco mode when gaming, but when I'm doing anything else it's on 105w. I only save the power while gaming because there really was no performance difference.
I guess Ryzen Master Eco-Mode will be getting patched for 170W multi-die processors vs 105w single-die processors, it sounds crazy they didn't account for this scenario 😅
If you’re like me who started with a mid tower when I bought my 7900X, I then put the build in a FormD T1. The cooler options are limited and it does fit A 240mm cooler it’s very few that can fit that case with a 3-slot GPU. Looking at the L9a or AXP-90 makes sense.
These are the settings recommended by AMD to anandtech : 170W TDP Base = 105W with ECO Mode enabled 105W TDP Base = 65W with ECO Mode enabled 170 W = 230,000 PPT, 160,000 TDC, and 225,000 EDC 105 W = 142,000 PPT, 110,000 TDC, and 170,000 EDC 65 W = 88,000 PPT, 75,000 TDC, and 150,000 EDC
For me, it's really disapointing that it seems that they were only able to uplift performance from Zen 3 to 4 just by cranking the power up to 11. Sure, 5nm is not mature yet, but still... I'm gonna pass for this one, and keep my R5 2600 a lil bit more.
To me it's disappointing that amd didn't made a huge ipc increase or make their ipc as their top priority instead of clockspeed because more clockspeed means more tdp and temps so in my opinion Ryzen 7000 reminds me of bulldozer (AMD FX) because they prioritize the clockspeed than the ipc which is more important than clockspeed
@@JasperTedVidalTale The issue is, unless you're satisfied with a 2-5% IPC gains one gen to the next, (and by extension, 2-5% perf gains, as clockspeeds were to be equal in you example) you would need to completely redisign an architechture from the groundup every year. It costing upwards of a billion dollars give or take, it's way more effective to iterate on what's existing up to a point. And on top of that, engenners dont't really know what an iteration will bring, or another tweak on said iteration, and so on before testing it in a lab.
AMD would be stupid to let happen for to long my guess / hope is they will update Ryzen master to change this so if it detects the 7950x or 7900x its eco mode is 105w and if it detects the 7700x or 7600x it drops it to 65w or equally they drop another setting so eco is 65w on all and mid power is the 105w on all which would be a good thing so if you do want to game on the 7950x and eco is just as good at 65w then a eco mode isnt a bad thing !!
A CPU doesn't stay at its highest wattage limit all the time. It only briefly climbs when something demanding like opening an application happens in desktop media use. Otherwise it ramps right down. My not undertvolted 5950x is at 45w at the moment.
From what I've seen in optimum tech video. Forget eco mode. Set the negative offset to whatever you can get to, stable. In his case - 15 for 7950x and - 30 on 7700x. Then just use power limit to get your temps and performance combined to where you want them. He managed 61c and his multicore clock almost the same as stock(14mhz lower) by setting an 85w limit on 7700x. Though -30 offset might be a golden sample. But general idea will remain the same. If you're not happy with your scores go to 90w or 100w until you're where you want to be. Strongly advise to do it in bios rather than through software. One thing to be wary of is some mobo adjust power in Watts and some in mWatts
Different strokes for different folks, we enthusisats have no problem tuning and testing, but just like not everyone will use 1usmus CTR... there will always be many who just want to click a setting and go. Ryzen master isn't perfect but for those just wanting to reduce CPU power consumption by 50% and reduce temps 22c while only losing 7% of rendering performance, that's still an option to have for those users.
I don't get it. Regardless of setting 65 or 105, when benchmarking and using different software to check the wattage, is always above what ECO mode is supposed to limit.
I do not have the manual mode to make adjustments . I have a MSI mag B650 mobo , 7950x3d cpu , 32 gig Corsair Vengeance ram Western digital M.2 . Eco mode causes system to go into a boot loop have to reset cmos to get it booting again .
when you are just doing simple tasks - the CPU won't use much energy, no matter, what mode it is in. These limiters just play a role, when there is some relevant load on the CPU.
There are all kinds of inherent systems built into how CPUs work that mean if there is light load then power draw is lower. Kind of like how P95 will push your CPU well above the current draw specs at max clocks but watching a youtube video at the same max clocks will be a % of the power draw. On top of that chips tend to scale their clocks based on load demand these days. Basically not all CPU loads are the same and watching a video already consumes less power than gaming or running math simulations. This is independent of Eco mode.
Looking for help/clarification, thanks for some info if any. For multicore workloads with a 7950x, 240mm AIO, 40-50% fan speed(1800rpm ish), to hit a -5% drop in performance, what would temps, and Wattage from an under-volt look like? Using the same cooling situation and keeping all cores around 4800mhz, when under-volting what temp and watt measurements do most people get over sustained workloads? Also in comparison to the 7950x3d by under-volting a 7950x can the same efficiencies be equalized for full-load multicore workloads (I don't care about gaming, so please no answers in this regard). Or can even more efficiency (watts) be pulled out of the 7950x3d under the same conditions I understand there are multiple factors that can create variations, ie cases, ventilation, part quality/chip yields, I am just looking for an average people get out of the above settings if they tried them themselves. The goal is the best clocks/temps/watts mix for around +-80~85c with the above settings and determine if the energy efficiencies be manually equalized between the 7950x and 7950x3d.
Beauty of the Ryzen Master Eco mode is it can be reverted with one click any time you choose. Need all the performance you can get with the associated high temps? Have at it at will...doubtful many actually use the full potential of these high end cpu's on a daily basis.
AMD fans who mostly do gaming think ECO mode will solve the problems. Yes, for game, it solves the problem,. But for people doing production workload, gimping multicore by ECO actually made a difference. May as well go for PBO2 tuning and undervolting, which is much better option.
Trying to make a chart/ table for eco mode settings / PPT TDC EDC, for all power levels ie 60w to 230W (all between) to enter manually, can you point me to the formulas used/ tables etc etc (AMD supplied?) and i can make my excel table. (my target is 85w at half way between 105W and 65W)
oy mate, dropping to eco mode doesn't really matter when you are gaming at 1440p or higher res, since you are shifting the bottle next to the GPU. you'd get drastically different results if you did testing in 1080p on low settings.
is 7950x + 6400 cl32 + aorus master is good enough, or should go for xtreme over master. to use 7950x to limit with custom loop. someone said something about Asus tuf and you said it's kinda meeeh so what's the deal with master / xtreme one is xtreme worth overpaying ? I'm gonna use only 1 gen5 m.2
Thats what ryzen master is for to switch between different settings without having to go into the bios to do so. ON my 5800x i have to settings in ryzen master everyday use and rendering.
Use realworld tests. ECO mode barely makes a difference with Speed/FPS but saves a lot on power and heat created. I hate benchmark programs. Do a Premiere render. Or gaming FPS. ECO is the way to go..
dude. i downgraded my 7950x3d. because im not a hardcore gamer. and got a 7950x. but hwinfo, task manager and windows thinks its still an x3d. is there a cleaning tool.
i have a question. i have a 9 7900x right now, and i adjusted the eco mode to 65watts. does this mean it runs similar to a 9 7900 (or slightly better)? is it worth to return the 9 7900x for the 9 7900?
My Ryzen 7900x got only about 150FPS in Warzone 2 with Ultra Settings and an WQDH Monitor. In the Eco Mode i got now between 220 to 260FPS. So the Eco Mode dir the 7900x is realy good.
hey how i can do undervolt to 7950x without ryzen master? more about for every reboot , i tried on bios but i dont know how to do, i have asus TUF x670e , any idea how to do ? thanks
Any word about ASUS motherboard availability? I see the ASUS X670E Prime in your stack there ... from what I can find online it's sitting in pre-order or a hugely overpriced import. Are they waiting for BIOS stability updates before shipping? Is it a supply problem? Are they just waiting out hoping early adopters will just go with the more expensive boards available first? Hugely insightful videos. The stuff about undervolting/eco mode that people are finding, coupled with Derbauer's vid about de-lidding heat improvements and from the overly thick IHS ... AMD have made some questionable choices that seem to hide some of the real strengths of the silicone. Looking forward to putting by build together, once more affordable motherboards are available.
Thank You Tom for finding the sweet spot on the 7950, that is the type f Thing that AMD should put out with a pamphlet in the box with their product, face it Intel should as well. I understand not prmoting OC info with the product, but undervolting specs should be easily available. and of course, Love you Sis👍
I used to watch you back in a day and recently womdered where you are gone. I think you are fist youtuber with atx psu tester. Its sad to see you still make videos.
@@OC3D what i want to say is it is sad that you get so low views because of youtube algorithms and im happy that you still make them. Would you test rust game performance on new ryzen cpus? I want to hop on new am5 platform and cant decide if i want to get dead am4 or new am5 i want 144fps consistent and this game is very cpu bottlenecked especialy on high pop 500+ servers. 5800x3d vs 7600x vs 12700k sorry i said it wrong before i just couldnt make a sentence. And i acidently mashed both thoughts together. Also wold you make more ddr5 4800mhz overclocking for certain hynix, samsung dies to get extra bamg for buck, and maybe custom write xmp profile for them if its even possible
AMD 7000 series is an embarrassment honestly. Zero architecture improvements, just brute forcing performance with power consumption increases. 5800x3D should be the template to move forward.
Is it some shill video? Gaming performance is not impacted too badly? it's within the margin of error, 1-2 fps. You shouldn't use eco mode, use manual tuning as done by so many others like optimum tech to name one. You then lose a 1% of multicore performance and that's it.
Ding dong- another delivery. who are White industries and why have they sent me a parcel? Oh look it's a white Hazmat suit so I can do videos in a white protective suit when touching black motherboards.
Well there goes alot of peoples hopes lol its all people are talking about is eco mode now and then boom not good on the highest tier lol. Way way way way to much of a performance drop.
Well well well its been a long time since someone has said something like that on here. Thank you for reminding us all that keyboard warriors do still exist.
Just being able to select what wattage you want would be a lot better rather than just a single selection in software, BIOS is great, but it might be a bit intimidating for less experienced users
Totally agree dude
That’s what the apu in the steam deck lets you do
There's an option under PBO Advanced called CPU PPT, you can manually enter the max wattage of your CPU Package .. not a click and save but better than nothing, i have my 5900X set to power limit manual, 160W PPT, 110A TDC and 150A EDC.. got a decent 5% increase with 5C drop in temps
These are the reco
What was nice from the 5000 onwards is that you could do undervolting with PBO.
the 105w mode actually looks great for the 7950x getting 35k score when compared to a 5950x which can achieve a whopping "27k cbr23 score" at 160watts
Tbh pretty impressive CPUs, my 5950x on PBO 180ish watt does the same in R23 with the 7950x on 65watt
tempting is not it... but now i calculated, i paid 1130$ for the new build and now would have pay 60% more than that to get the new one so... i decided to like what i have :)
Use the Curve editor to negative 10 - 20 all Core ( depending on the CPU Lottery ) and undervolt your CPU , if you want to cool by Air , then start with a 140/150 Watt Power Limit ( which is the AM4 PPT of 142 W ) , you may loose 5-6 % Multicore Performance but you save 70-80 Watts ( under full load ) or if you set a 125 W Powerlimit you save a whopping 100 Watts at only 11 % Performance loss o n l y under full load . Its the full load where older AM4 Cooler can struggle to cool down an unlimited Zen4 with 230 Watts .
Thanks for this Tom, I did try Eco mode in Ryzen master and it caused all sorts of problems and ended up having to clear the CMOS, followed your guide and it works like a charm!
This is great to hear dude thank you x
Wait, what? What kind of problems did it create?
@@OC3D has it been fixed?
I hope this means future Ryzen Master updates will be able to set ECO mode to correct power level per chip?
Whole thing would be better if it was smart enough to run eco all the time and just auto boost itself when cpu maxes out.
105W ECO mode is the sweet spot. You only lose 5-10% of performance, but reduce power consumption by nearly HALF.
On top of this, gaming and single threaded performance remain unaffected.
es seguro de usar ? tengo un Ryzen 9 7900x
@@danielramostrejo5720 Si es seguro pero , cambia los numeros de ppt, edc, en el Bios para que se quede permanente
How's that a sweet spot? When I turn this option, the maximum speed it can reach is 4.8Ghz while the stock runs at 5.5Ghz.
@@TheRawi Something is wrong with your settings.. I have the 7700x and I modified it to run at 60 watts and it boosts up all the way to 5.5ghz.
@@mariolp2999 7700x isn't 7950x. Those are two different processsors.
Thank you for covering this. Hopefully they will add more options in Ryzen Master for various TDP modes kinda like what these new handhelds are doing. As someone looking to do a SFF build with the 7900X it would be nice to be able to easily in software configure the TDP for max performance at a wattage that will support more cooling options
Lian Li and dan are doing a case called a DAN A3 m-atx case ( check it out looks amazing ) basically a sff with a 360mm rad which could be a great option !!
Im looking at the 7000 3d v cache versions im not really interested in the base 7000s but i hope by then or really soon they have sorted this eco mode set up ..
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 Thanks for the heads up on that Dan A3 case. Didn't know that was coming. I'm leaning towards the X3D chips myself. Hopefully they do a 7900X3D.
Edit: I'm also wanting to see what the Meshroom D ends up being.
@@carsoncarolina2358 nice on the Meshroom D..
check out the ASUS PRIME AP 201 case another 360mm rad case maybe im just looking at over killing these new cpus with a 360mm rad my reasoning behind the Dan A3 and the ASUS PRIME AP201 case is their both itx/m-atx with 360mm support but also ATX psu in a smaller form factor ..ASUS is a bit bigger though at 33 litres ..
i dont think the 7900xt will be as power hungry as the 4090 but with these new cpu's and gpu's eating so much power you have more options when it comes to ATX psu's
where as i think to my scouring of the internet the silverstone sfx 1000 is the only sfx at 1000watts..
my plan is a 7900xt at release .. ive got a corsair hx1000w psu and i just ordered a arctic freezer ii 360 aio ( their out of stock across Australia so i guess people are already looking at 360s for the zen4 ) then im going to buy the rog crosshair gene m-atx mobo and like you im either going the 7900x3d or go big for a few years with the 7950x3d if its a thing !!
just tossing up the case now as im using the nr200p max 5800x3d and 6900xt !!
They already have tdp amounts in the bios
@@WayStedYou I'm well aware of that. Sometimes it's easier to use a software control vs bios
they should test it more and then possibly just call it "gaming mode"
market it for IDEAL gaming with LOW power
genius
For Multi-Threaded work, what matters is the energy used to complete a task, if we want to do things scientifically we should measure that.
What's the point of consuming 33% less if my render takes 50% longer?? In the end might use the same amount of energy.
Yeah, I have a 7950x so basically turn on the 65w eco mode when gaming, but when I'm doing anything else it's on 105w. I only save the power while gaming because there really was no performance difference.
How do u switch modes? on startup in BIOS?
Turning ECO mode on when gaming is like backing off the throttle when driving up a hill. Your logic would make more sense in reverse.
I guess Ryzen Master Eco-Mode will be getting patched for 170W multi-die processors vs 105w single-die processors, it sounds crazy they didn't account for this scenario 😅
Think it's a quick fix. It should be able to detect the cpu
PBO2 with a negative offset can easily fix all the performance/temp issues.
Without hardly sacrificing anything.
If you’re like me who started with a mid tower when I bought my 7900X, I then put the build in a FormD T1. The cooler options are limited and it does fit A 240mm cooler it’s very few that can fit that case with a 3-slot GPU. Looking at the L9a or AXP-90 makes sense.
Thanks for the heads up.
My proci ryzen 5 7600, and msi b650 a pro, im instal ryzen master why no "eco mode" y have solution?
These are the settings recommended by AMD to anandtech :
170W TDP Base = 105W with ECO Mode enabled
105W TDP Base = 65W with ECO Mode enabled
170 W = 230,000 PPT, 160,000 TDC, and 225,000 EDC
105 W = 142,000 PPT, 110,000 TDC, and 170,000 EDC
65 W = 88,000 PPT, 75,000 TDC, and 150,000 EDC
Those settings are in the guide I made too
@@OC3D Seems strange that they wouldn't apply their own recommended settings to a ECO one-click option when it comes to the higher watt processors
For me, it's really disapointing that it seems that they were only able to uplift performance from Zen 3 to 4 just by cranking the power up to 11. Sure, 5nm is not mature yet, but still... I'm gonna pass for this one, and keep my R5 2600 a lil bit more.
To me it's disappointing that amd didn't made a huge ipc increase or make their ipc as their top priority instead of clockspeed because more clockspeed means more tdp and temps so in my opinion Ryzen 7000 reminds me of bulldozer (AMD FX) because they prioritize the clockspeed than the ipc which is more important than clockspeed
@@JasperTedVidalTale The issue is, unless you're satisfied with a 2-5% IPC gains one gen to the next, (and by extension, 2-5% perf gains, as clockspeeds were to be equal in you example) you would need to completely redisign an architechture from the groundup every year. It costing upwards of a billion dollars give or take, it's way more effective to iterate on what's existing up to a point. And on top of that, engenners dont't really know what an iteration will bring, or another tweak on said iteration, and so on before testing it in a lab.
Good stuff Tom thanks for the quick turn around and putting together a few graphs for us ! Hopefully amd pull the finger out and fix this :)
Thanks for the head up Tom.
Why the option isn't available in software? I don't see the ECO Mode there. How to turn it on?
Enable Editor and it will appear.
AMD would be stupid to let happen for to long my guess / hope is they will update Ryzen master to change this so if it detects the 7950x or 7900x its eco mode is 105w and if it detects the 7700x or 7600x it drops it to 65w or equally they drop another setting so eco is 65w on all and mid power is the 105w on all which would be a good thing so if you do want to game on the 7950x and eco is just as good at 65w then a eco mode isnt a bad thing !!
A CPU doesn't stay at its highest wattage limit all the time. It only briefly climbs when something demanding like opening an application happens in desktop media use. Otherwise it ramps right down. My not undertvolted 5950x is at 45w at the moment.
thank you for all the hard work tom.
You're very welcome dude. Thank you for tuning in
From what I've seen in optimum tech video. Forget eco mode. Set the negative offset to whatever you can get to, stable. In his case - 15 for 7950x and - 30 on 7700x. Then just use power limit to get your temps and performance combined to where you want them.
He managed 61c and his multicore clock almost the same as stock(14mhz lower) by setting an 85w limit on 7700x. Though -30 offset might be a golden sample. But general idea will remain the same.
If you're not happy with your scores go to 90w or 100w until you're where you want to be.
Strongly advise to do it in bios rather than through software.
One thing to be wary of is some mobo adjust power in Watts and some in mWatts
Different strokes for different folks, we enthusisats have no problem tuning and testing, but just like not everyone will use 1usmus CTR... there will always be many who just want to click a setting and go.
Ryzen master isn't perfect but for those just wanting to reduce CPU power consumption by 50% and reduce temps 22c while only losing 7% of rendering performance, that's still an option to have for those users.
@@tomstech4390 just looking at these numbers proves that the stock settings on zen 4 should not be the stock settings
I don't get it. Regardless of setting 65 or 105, when benchmarking and using different software to check the wattage, is always above what ECO mode is supposed to limit.
I think a power slider like MSI afterburner would be better. Eco button doesn't really tell you anything.
I do not have the manual mode to make adjustments .
I have a MSI mag B650 mobo , 7950x3d cpu , 32 gig Corsair Vengeance ram Western digital M.2 .
Eco mode causes system to go into a boot loop have to reset cmos to get it booting again .
pretty brilliant mode if you are just watching videos or other simple tasks, no? In these times it would be moronic to waste electricity.
when you are just doing simple tasks - the CPU won't use much energy, no matter, what mode it is in.
These limiters just play a role, when there is some relevant load on the CPU.
There are all kinds of inherent systems built into how CPUs work that mean if there is light load then power draw is lower. Kind of like how P95 will push your CPU well above the current draw specs at max clocks but watching a youtube video at the same max clocks will be a % of the power draw.
On top of that chips tend to scale their clocks based on load demand these days.
Basically not all CPU loads are the same and watching a video already consumes less power than gaming or running math simulations.
This is independent of Eco mode.
Looking for help/clarification, thanks for some info if any.
For multicore workloads with a 7950x, 240mm AIO, 40-50% fan speed(1800rpm ish), to hit a -5% drop in performance, what would temps, and Wattage from an under-volt look like?
Using the same cooling situation and keeping all cores around 4800mhz, when under-volting what temp and watt measurements do most people get over sustained workloads?
Also in comparison to the 7950x3d by under-volting a 7950x can the same efficiencies be equalized for full-load multicore workloads (I don't care about gaming, so please no answers in this regard). Or can even more efficiency (watts) be pulled out of the 7950x3d under the same conditions
I understand there are multiple factors that can create variations, ie cases, ventilation, part quality/chip yields,
I am just looking for an average people get out of the above settings if they tried them themselves.
The goal is the best clocks/temps/watts mix for around +-80~85c with the above settings and determine if the energy efficiencies be manually equalized between the 7950x and 7950x3d.
Beauty of the Ryzen Master Eco mode is it can be reverted with one click any time you choose. Need all the performance you can get with the associated high temps? Have at it at will...doubtful many actually use the full potential of these high end cpu's on a daily basis.
AMD fans who mostly do gaming think ECO mode will solve the problems. Yes, for game, it solves the problem,. But for people doing production workload, gimping multicore by ECO actually made a difference.
May as well go for PBO2 tuning and undervolting, which is much better option.
Trying to make a chart/ table for eco mode settings / PPT TDC EDC, for all power levels ie 60w to 230W (all between) to enter manually, can you point me to the formulas used/ tables etc etc (AMD supplied?) and i can make my excel table. (my target is 85w at half way between 105W and 65W)
oy mate, dropping to eco mode doesn't really matter when you are gaming at 1440p or higher res, since you are shifting the bottle next to the GPU. you'd get drastically different results if you did testing in 1080p on low settings.
All games were tested at 1080 dude
GN, meanwhile, has charts saying the 7950X sees extremely negligible performance loss at 1080p, even at 65w Eco.
Just took a 7950x, a x670e tuf and 6000 mhz rams cl 32, hope is a good combo and enjoy that 105w from your guide
Im not sure the TUF will be a good match for the 7950x if you ever want to try and stretch the legs of that processor
@@OC3D Im only using for gaming and a bit for productivity, i wanted something for some years, do u think is not enough for this ? :(
is 7950x + 6400 cl32 + aorus master is good enough, or should go for xtreme over master. to use 7950x to limit with custom loop.
someone said something about Asus tuf and you said it's kinda meeeh
so what's the deal with master / xtreme one
is xtreme worth overpaying ? I'm gonna use only 1 gen5 m.2
You can turn it up or down at will so use whatever setting ya like at the time right?
What about Amd 5800x is it possible?
Thats what ryzen master is for to switch between different settings without having to go into the bios to do so. ON my 5800x i have to settings in ryzen master everyday use and rendering.
Use realworld tests. ECO mode barely makes a difference with Speed/FPS but saves a lot on power and heat created. I hate benchmark programs. Do a Premiere render. Or gaming FPS. ECO is the way to go..
Bro but what if i want to use it with blender?
My games keep crashing & I have a 7950x. I don't know what to do.
i cant even open Ryzen master with my 7950x says it doesnt support my current processor
dude. i downgraded my 7950x3d. because im not a hardcore gamer. and got a 7950x. but hwinfo, task manager and windows thinks its still an x3d. is there a cleaning tool.
i have a question. i have a 9 7900x right now, and i adjusted the eco mode to 65watts. does this mean it runs similar to a 9 7900 (or slightly better)? is it worth to return the 9 7900x for the 9 7900?
The way I understand it is that dropping the 7900x to 65w doesn't have any loss affect when gaming but but if you were doing other things it would.
It looks like you've got a stack of work waiting on you! I'll stay tuned for more videos, Tom...🇺🇸 😎👍☕
What is the effect on idle and light load W and temps and performance of these, especially compared. To the intel chips?
My Ryzen 7900x got only about 150FPS in Warzone 2 with Ultra Settings and an WQDH Monitor.
In the Eco Mode i got now between 220 to 260FPS.
So the Eco Mode dir the 7900x is realy good.
Thnx for the information bro. Just installed that cpu and going for eco mode. How are the temps?
From 86 degrees, to 68 degrees
Eco mode --> 105tdp yes?
hey how i can do undervolt to 7950x without ryzen master? more about for every reboot , i tried on bios but i dont know how to do, i have asus TUF x670e , any idea how to do ? thanks
How about a negative curve with PBO 2? Or eco mode with a negative PBO 2 curve?
Simply put, the software Eco mode is for people who feels intimidated going into bios and tweak it
Do you perhaps know if this also goes for 5900x ?
Any word about ASUS motherboard availability? I see the ASUS X670E Prime in your stack there ... from what I can find online it's sitting in pre-order or a hugely overpriced import. Are they waiting for BIOS stability updates before shipping? Is it a supply problem? Are they just waiting out hoping early adopters will just go with the more expensive boards available first?
Hugely insightful videos. The stuff about undervolting/eco mode that people are finding, coupled with Derbauer's vid about de-lidding heat improvements and from the overly thick IHS ... AMD have made some questionable choices that seem to hide some of the real strengths of the silicone. Looking forward to putting by build together, once more affordable motherboards are available.
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I cannot find the guide you mentioned you did yesterday....
WARNING! Use the Eco Mode 170w. There is no difference and it's much cooler!
When will you review the Rtx 4090 🙂
I know this channel because of the Asus Ares review , that's why I subscribed 12 years ago 😃
my ryzen doesn't show ECO MODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's a reason why efficiency curves are a thing...
My ryzen master is missing eco mode. What should I do if I want my 7900x to run at 65w?
Enable Editor and it will show up.
you done better then amd have done Tom cheers
Does it lower fan speed?. (Noise)
Thx, used the eco settings for my 7600x
Thank You Tom for finding the sweet spot on the 7950, that is the type f Thing that AMD should put out with a pamphlet in the box with their product, face it Intel should as well. I understand not prmoting OC info with the product, but undervolting specs should be easily available. and of course, Love you Sis👍
Bloody wicked Guv!
Thanks Tom 👍
OR, don't upgrade at all if youre on 5000 serie CPU. Its really not needed as you notice no performance increase in every day tasks nor gaming..
I used to watch you back in a day and recently womdered where you are gone. I think you are fist youtuber with atx psu tester. Its sad to see you still make videos.
Yup still here. YT isnt that great at telling subs that Ive made them though. Sad, why sad?
@@OC3D what i want to say is it is sad that you get so low views because of youtube algorithms and im happy that you still make them. Would you test rust game performance on new ryzen cpus? I want to hop on new am5 platform and cant decide if i want to get dead am4 or new am5 i want 144fps consistent and this game is very cpu bottlenecked especialy on high pop 500+ servers. 5800x3d vs 7600x vs 12700k sorry i said it wrong before i just couldnt make a sentence. And i acidently mashed both thoughts together. Also wold you make more ddr5 4800mhz overclocking for certain hynix, samsung dies to get extra bamg for buck, and maybe custom write xmp profile for them if its even possible
Also i had you subscribed for years but you were gone for me and i couldnt remember the name of the channel.
People buy expensive stuff, but can't affort the energy prices lol.
This should have been fixed in Ryzen Master before launching the ZEN 4. It is uttermost clumsy by AMD
AMD 7000 series is an embarrassment honestly. Zero architecture improvements, just brute forcing performance with power consumption increases. 5800x3D should be the template to move forward.
Didn't Intel start this trend with Alderlake? Perhaps AMD had no choice but to do the same to stay relevant.
Eco mode completely tucked up my brand new install of windows 10, I am talking corrupted missing DLLS fucked levels of gimped
Eco Mode is great if you don't have a liquid cooler available to get chill the Ryzen 9 processor until you get one, that is my case.
Is it some shill video? Gaming performance is not impacted too badly? it's within the margin of error, 1-2 fps.
You shouldn't use eco mode, use manual tuning as done by so many others like optimum tech to name one.
You then lose a 1% of multicore performance and that's it.
How is it shill.... LMAO. I tell you what is and what isnt affected plus if youre bothered....how to fix it too. Get back under your bridge.
or if your a gamer stick with the 5800x3d. still a better cpu for gaming.
you be stuck on am4 then.
its likely the second gen zen4 am5 x3D will be immensly better for gamers
Its what I bet on.
@@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy i agree with the second gen am5 x3d
3:53 facebook messenger ding? xD
Yup 😂
It sure seems to me that the whole of the computer Industry is broken and turned into Apple Corps clones.If you don't like it by another one. Doc BC
Ding dong- another delivery. who are White industries and why have they sent me a parcel? Oh look it's a white Hazmat suit so I can do videos in a white protective suit when touching black motherboards.
Who would use eco with those cpus haha
Normal eco isnt really too bad tbh
Well there goes alot of peoples hopes lol its all people are talking about is eco mode now and then boom not good on the highest tier lol. Way way way way to much of a performance drop.
Ive already done a guide on how to NOT loose the performance by doing it manually in the bios and explained why this is
get your teeth fixed, im sickened!
Well well well its been a long time since someone has said something like that on here. Thank you for reminding us all that keyboard warriors do still exist.
What the fuck, man? I hadn't even noticed it.... You have weird priorities in life...
just delid and win