Is James Harden having the best scoring season ever?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ม.ค. 2019
- James Harden has been white hot since the beginning of December, posting 21 straight 30-point games. In that span, he's averaging 43.1 points per game on efficiency 7.3% better than the league (true shooting). This video discusses Harden's season among the all-time great scoring years in NBA history, including Michael Jordan's best seasons and Stephen Curry's transcendent 2016 season.
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"Is James Harden having the best scoring season ever?"
No. Wilt Chamberlain did: 50.4 ppg without a 3-point line and played every single second in that season, which increased his fatigue factor. If Harden and Jordan played every single minute, they wouldn't score as much. They would pass out half way through the season.
A lot of casual fans don't use TS% man, I can't stress how much I love your channel. Best analysis of scoring seasons ever using related advance analytics.
Btw I'm curious aside from Curry and Harden, how do that ranking using ur metrics look like? I'm guessing Durant 2014 must be in it also.
Harden's TS% is boosted by his free throws just like his scoring!...that's why he always chokes in the playoffs when the refs don't give him the same calls
@@aduad TS% is boosted by EVERYONE'S free throws except bad FT shooters.
Not Hardens fault his defenders foul him more than others.
Thanks! Check out the podcast series (link in description) - it goes into greater detail on best scoring seasons.
@@wallstreetzoomer Harden is a flop king!
@@aduad but that doesn't matter his team still gets the points
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Wilt averaged 50.4 minutes a game in 61-62. It took him 48.5 minutes per game to do so. (He played every minute including overtime.) At his current points per minute, Harden would have to play 51.8 minutes per game to hit 50.4 per game. For him to do that and play the same percentage of the game that he does now, the game would have to be a devilish 66.6 minutes long. It seems unlikely Harden could do that for a full season. We don't have great estimates for how many possessions per game there were in the 60s, but I've heard estimates of around 130. A 66 minute game at the current league pace would have around 137 possessions. Meaning Wilt effectively played every minute of a 60+ minute game (possession-wise) and still scored 50 a game at the second highest FG% in the league. I think that has to be one of the best scoring seasons ever, but points per 75 possessions would make it only as good as your average scoring leader's. Something's gone wrong.
Judging Wilt on his points per possession overlooks how *hard* it is to score efficiently when you literally play every minute of every game. It's like comparing a marathoner to a sprinter based on average speed and concluding that the sprinter is the better runner. No, the metric just favors them. Of course, they might be the better runner and Harden might be having a better scoring season than Wilt. But we need to take into account that efficiency goes down with minutes played before we penalize the guy averaged more minutes than there are minutes in a game for being inefficient.
Still a great video by the way, I just have this one quibble.
Raymond Stewart great point!
J you mean offensively, right? Well thats a good point but lets not forget that they are basically 40 years apart from each other. James is a guard and Wilt is a Center. James plays in an era of stretching the floor and Wilt played when you needed a big man to win. Today's athletes have a lot more of technologies, they have doctors ready to for them 24/7, and the basketball training regime is way more advanced. A freak athlete like Wilt would be so dominant today that we might have seen triple teams be unnefective.
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Comparing them in this manner is the same thing of comparing Shaq to Kobe Bryant. Shaq was a purr beast, while Kobe was arguably the most versatile scorer of his generation.
James is similar to Wilt on one way, his amazing stats dont actually translate to playoff success, and before you mention last season, I mean longevity success. Harden isnt the type of guy who can adapt his game that much, so was Wilt.
Wilt was a way better Rebounder.
Better than Harden and Cappela combined.
MJ had a better scoring season in the "modern era."
Wilt was 45.8 MPG.
Next closest Russell 42.29.
Oscar Robertson 42.2.
Allen Iverson 41.12
Baylor 40.03.
Thats all the 40s.
Only 76 playered played 35 MPG or more.
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This is good stuff. You should do one on Porzingis's offense. I think there's a lot of misconception about how good he is on the offensive end. All "upside."
Curry's 2015-2016 is just a pinnacle of efficient scoring
Facts
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Thanks for saying it, playoff performance is the real thing. Again, thank you.
Can you put captions on your videos? It sounds like you have a script for your videos anyway. Helps a lot when discussing numbers. Great videos btw!
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Good shit man
*best free throw shooting season ever*
He is the Gfoat so stfu his flopping skill is out of this well
@Ashton Frailey at a Even lower percentage...
@Ashton Frailey and either way I'm tired of the Bs free throws he shot 25 fts
@Ashton Frailey oh yeah yeah btw
Lol maybe harden gets bailed out once or twice in a game but actually watch the game there legit trying to kill the man... what do you wanna do not call it...
Cool videos, thanks! Luka Dončić might be an interesting topic for the next video.
The Ferris bueller reference was goat level status
I think u should do a video on Wilt chamberlains offence as a whole and put to bed the misconceptions surrounding it (you've done it before but it may be more accessible now
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Can we get a sequel to this? A retrospective? Would be interesting to see with the full season added to this.
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I like dominance stats that look at how much better the best guys were than the rest of the league. The problem with year-to-year comparisons is that a lot of changes (such as rules changes) affect numbers greatly. Three-point averages would be terrible if you could be as physical on the perimeter as you could in the 20th century. Harden exploits his ability to draw fouls to create space for his step-backs.
His 2018-2019 was historically great, but TS% absolutely benefited from what the league allows and the greenlight he gets from his coaches.
yeah thats why they look at ts% relative to the rest of the league lol
2016 Curry Crazy volume and accuracy
Yeah it would be tough for him because gameplans are more focused in the postseason.
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Elgin Baylor averaged 34ppg 38ppg and 34ppg in back to back to back seasons along with 16 rebs don't forget that
Yeah same way todays game makes it easier to score more. I'm not comparing eras but at the same time can't dismiss what happened in the past.
Everyday Life facts
the guy accounted for that by measuring points per 75 possessions. He might've seen that and decided Wilt's record is wayy more impressive and appropriate to use in comparison with the top scoring seasons.
@@realrareap2420 You don't know anything about the nba in the 60s. The rumors and innuendo you've picked up have no basis in reality.
He also played like 48 games in that 38 ppg season
You just earned a new subscriber, great content man! Also this might be irrelevant but Dwyane Wade’s retiring, and he’s my favourite player. I would just love to see a D. Wade video analyzed so well with facts. Even just as a tribute or to show his greatness (much of which I feel is under appreciated). Anyway, thank you! Great content and analysis! Hope your channel does extremely well, you deserve it.
Hope you will do one on Donovan Mitchell at some point!
Why
What has Donovan Mitchell done to get a video?
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Cp3 will be back and Capela as well, his numbers will be lower in the post, he is having the best regular season ever though. Ive never witnessed anything close to this in my 25+ years or watching basketball. Its crazy.
Can you make a video on how Demarcus Cousins helps the Warriors?
He and Curry are benefiting tremendously due the style of play today and their systems.
Curry is a shooter far superior to harden he doesn't draw many fouls if any .
u should upload more often
You should do Kyle Kuzma! I have no clue how you haven’t blown up. This content is high end
could you possibly do the resurgence of KAT after the Butler trade or maybe the dissappointment of Andrew Wiggins?
People who claim that James Harden is not efficient just don't watch the matches. Harden does so much in the court it's just unbelievable. For a scorer like this he makes his team around him so much better and he always willing to pass the ball.
You should make this vídeo again when the season ends
There is a serious flaw in per 75 averages. If you are comparing Wilt to Harden, you are not taking stamina or effort into consideration. Wilt shot 50% when he scored 50 a game but you have to consider that he was doing that while running up and down the court a hundred more times a game and getting 25 rebounds a game. I think a better metric would be a dominance metric that compares players to other players throughout history. For example, the year Chamberlain scored 50, it's not like someone else scored 40. The gap between the top scorer and second best scorer in 1961 was far greater than this year. This shows a more dominant performance and thus a better scoring season comparatively. Additionally, it should be noted that Harden will finish the season with the third most all time turnovers in a season behind only himself and Westbrook both in 2017. He has almost a full turnover per 100 pos above the second worst in the league and if you take his turnovers plus shots missed, he is giving up the ball 6 times more per 100 pos than Steph Curry this year. That is a huge gap in total offensive efficiency each game. Consider that Curry has a higher offensive rating and turnover/assist ratio as well as a much higher true shooting percentage this year. You are right to point out that regular season scoring doesn't mean much but by all measures, Harden isn't playing better than Curry he is just having the play go through him more and that isn't necessarily a good thing. Also, when you don't play defense you tend to have more energy to score.
@dhsilv2 not gonna touch efficiency or dominance?
@dhsilv2 okay, then. Is it possible that the game is taking a similar amount of energy given the differences in technology but is resulting in different numbers of minutes played due to how the difference is manifested?
@dhsilv2 sports science is the application of science thus technology so the improvement of shooting is tied to advancement of technology. The optimal shooting mechanics are confirmed today by physics, anatomy and computer simulations. The more efficient approach to the game is also partly a result of analytics.
"The gap between the top scorer and second best scorer in 1961 was far greater than this year. This shows a more dominant performance and thus a better scoring season comparatively." Not necessarily - could show that it was less competitive back then
He should also take into consideration that Wilt also needed to put effort into defense compared to Harden who puts no effort into defense, thus making Wilt more tired when he goes back on offense because he never stops running
MJ had that high of a scoring rate, with the 3pt line not being used much, and there being no def 3 second rule on 50% career shooting from the floor. He's the greatest scorer of all time.
Do a video about Westbrook and if he's actually efficient.
It’s now 31 and he tied the 2nd best ever. This is crazy man
He amazes me tbh I’m a Celtics fan and I do not think he would be good on our team but I want to see him at the garden so bad more than kyrie
Do a vid on Doncic please
Do something about the warriors pls
This 2019-2020 season, Harden ranked 1st in
Total pts/(2PA*2)+(3PA*3)+FTA
Hardin still has a long way to go for that accomplishment, if he can average perhaps 40 ppg for the rest of this season and break big Wilt's other 3 records for consecutive 30 point plus games, or be on pace to then, mabey, oh yeah also you got to throw in a 100 point performance in there and then, YES.
We need an update video!
You should do a kd vs harden scoring numbers compared
Your analysis would be spot on if the basketball rules and officiating wouldn’t have changed. Indeed they changed a lot with time so you can’t compare players and their stats from different eras. You have to take these different circumstances into consideration in order to be objective.
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He is a smart player. Harden can draw fouls better than anyone
not smart enough to put his team into the playoff ;) ;) wink wink lol he is a con artist who exploits the foul like no others, he lives off fouling others intentionally...which is kind of boring. It is understandable if you try to foul others but to that extent with Harden oh and don't talk to me about his step back omg I give him respect but it is sooo boring especially when his team kept losing to in the playoff and fades off like burnt candle in the dark lol