To the companies your only a pay role number, and as your their employee. They have a legal duty to make sure that your working environment is not causing you any mental health issues
In the mid 90s, when Blackberries came out, the Partners at a large Law Firm voted NOT to require Associates carry them in off hours. The Partnership recognized they could not control themselves in off hours. Was reported in the American Lawyer Magazine. Sadly, not the case anymore.
@@JoATTech In my field (IT) the on call compensation is usually 3 to 5 euro's per hour from 6pm to 8am the next day. When you get a call and need to do some actual work the full hourly rate kicks in and the time you work is rounded up to the nearest half hour. You will get 150% of your hourly rate when you're needed after 8pm or on Saturdays and 200% on Sundays or official holidays. Personally I usually make a deal with my client that they don't actually pay me for those extra hours, but instead allow me to take the extra time off. So if I had to work a couple of hours one evening or during the weekend, I might take the next Friday afternoon off and still write 8 hours on my time sheet. Makes it much easier for everyone.
@@catsi563 It was ~12 years ago in Poland. Still breached at least 3 work laws. Finally we went on strike, and they raised on call duty to ~$60 a week + they started paying normal overtime (before they paid 1:1 - bending the law). But now I work for global IT corporation. And they do exactly the same. Breaching at least 3 work laws ... every ducking day. No one cares ....
I have a rate sheet for being on-call. It goes in all my contracts. The next line is an option: "We decline on-call services" and we codify the next-business-day thing.
We really really want that extra 2 hours of your day! Well, I really want that extra 20 grand a year. Can you see a way that we could both get what we want?
I would love to see you add a new set of scenarios for IT workers and here is why. In the mid 1960’s large companies started lobbying the government to make IT workers exempt from overtime rules even though they were not management thus making them unable to receive overtime. Because of this and that computer systems run 24/7 the on call became part of an IT worker’s life. Before remote access that meant getting into your car and driving to work at all hours and working until the problem was solved. (I have work 37 hours straight on this type of issue). Then in the 1980’s again large companies saw the rise of the independent contractor who demanded to be paid for hours worked so they had the IRS state that this type of worker needed to be incorporated but they had lawyers and accountants excepted (rule 1706). I have had a client page me in a casino in Vegas, leave a message for me at Disney World and a resort in southern California. With remote access so common today the travel impact is minimal but the 24/7 attitude is still there without compensation. I find your skits very much to the point. Keep them coming.
Agree. IT is a world in itself and yes, we are expected to be on call 24/7/365, especially if you are in any type of production services or cyber security type of a role. They never hire enough people yet they want 24-hour coverage. We are also usually passionate about what we are working on which comes to our detriment because we do end up answering calls at all times of the night because we may be working on systems that deal with banking, hospitals, and the like, which need immediate action. If they hire enough staff then maybe we wouldn't have to worry about these calls. But yes you are not seen as doing your job if you don't answer them.
I have driven an hour to downtown at 3 a.m., restarted the servers that had gone offline, returned home and was back in the office for 9 a.m. the same day with zero additional compensation.
Wow. That is *HORRIBLE* !!! I always thought IT people got "on call" pay and overtime. That is unconscionable! God forbid the CEOs don't pull down the big bucks.
global companies solve this issue by putting people in different time zones, so when it's night in the US, they are in their working day and can take the issues without needing overtime. Only if a certain piece of hardware is involved (and they try to split those to the different sites as well, so you can switch to the back-up system until the people come in to fix the main one) you still have on-call issues. And given that some countries have their week-end at different days, you can play around with that as well, needing only few out of normal hours people.
And that's one big reason to do it. Either they backpedal on the request, which means you're off the hook, or they confirm, and they're *on* the hook, for violating labor laws or the like.
Sometimes it pays (literally) to forward a corporate e-mail thread to your personal account or copy it to a thumb drive to preserve it from deletion. It saved my booty on a couple of occasions!
I recently sent an email stating inappropriate behavior from a supervisor, spoke to corporate HR who assured me it would remain private, but now that person along with other managers are giving me the cold shoulder. I continue to do my job to the fullest regardless of their attitude and feel justified that in my current role I am not to be challenged or insulted again. Thank you for encouraging me to stand up for myself! 😊
Definitely agree here. Employees should record all conversations as well as having a paper trail - super important as a lot managers like to deny all accountability of saying what they said
Sometimes you can get HR on your side by quoting a labor law or ordinance and expressing a willingness to follow through. If a manager or veep or even officer is opening the company up to litigation or prosecution, believe me, they WANT to know!
The only time they are on your side is if they think you have a lawsuit against them. Best buddies then! Anything else? You are a number and easily replaced.
My entire team blocks out time during work hours to.... GASP work! We don't answer calls, emails, meeting requests during those times. We focus on you know... WORK!
Years ago my dad worked as a technician in a chemical plant earning an hourly wage and being paid T&1/2 for overtime, of which there was a reasonable amount that Dad didn't mind working. When the shop boss retired, the company wanted to make Dad the shop boss. "You'll be salaried and we'll raise your salary to effectively $10k more than what you're presently making." Dad asked, "How 'bout overtime pay?" "Nope, no more of that. You'll be a 'professional', exempt from overtime pay." Dad replied, "Nope, I'd be a dumb-ass GIVING my time to a company who doesn't appreciate my time as much as I do. Give the white shirt and tie to someone else." Only an egotist falls for the "you'll be an 'exempt professional' corporate scam.
While I find these videos insightful, I'm thinking it only works to push back at a manager like this when you know your great at your job and your job is important to the company, and your skillset is one that can easily gain you another position elsewhere quickly while it would also be hard to replace you. If you aren't the top guru in your post, might not have the same power leverage to push back like on this video.
Thank you - this is starting to bug me about this person's content. While I appreciate the sentiment that employees should not be available beyond their working hours and I do agree, speaking in such a condescending way to your supervisor is a sure way to put yourself squarely on their bad side. Most people are 100% replaceable - and nothing about her many characters indicate that they wouldn't be, either. Never underestimate the fact that the employer has more power in this 'relationship' than you. I am worried that she is encouraging her audience to behave in a manner that is going to prevent them from opportunities, or worse, lead to them being removed from their positions.
@@saoirserubio536what's your line that you will not let management cross. It seems that the company ms. Whaley uses as an example has power as it's only currency. That's not a good company to work for.
"Between the hours of 8am and 5pm, I am totally dedicated to this team, and I do not take personal phone calls during this time. During the hours of 5.01pm to 7.59am I am playing for my home team and I extend them the same courtesy regarding phone calls that you expect of me."
I don't mind my boss calling me outside of work hours. I know if he does it, it's important. In exchange, if i need to take care of something personal during working hours, it's not a problem.
I learn something new every day here. I am grateful that I don't encompass any of the corp issues highlighted on this channel, but will keep following just in case! Loe, I have just turned sixty, so I'm ready to join your dad's prank force. Would you please introduce us?
Even machines needs to shutdown and have maintenance checks and minor adjustments or repairs. Otherwise they'll breakdown easily and you'll get no work done, and pay lots from your pockets because of the inconveniences made by the breakdown. So love your machines... in this case, your employees.
My working hours are posted and in black and white. Anything you need from me beyond that is 'on call' which I am not contracted for and will be charged accordingly.
If it’s like two minutes after 5, fine. If I have eaten dinner, fed my dogs, showered, and gotten into bed, then I won’t even return the call in the morning
I dont know how many of these vids I have watched and she picks up that coffee cup and I just now clicked on what it says. Holy crap how did I miss something that obvious and funny?!
Calling someone at 10:44 at night is totally unacceptable. Many people to to bed earlier than that. She needs to take that up with HR and file a complaint against that supervisor for disturbing her sleep - during her off hours. Talk about chutzpah.
I have a work phone and a private phone. Gets which ones gets to stay at the office. And which one is not on the company records. I am not responsible for management lack of skill at time management.
As a truck driver in the UK, there are very strict laws that the driver must obey. Especially with taking rest breaks, so if the employer calls the driver whilst he’s on his daily break. If any party wanted to follow these rules to the letter, by calling the drivers break must be restarted from the end of that call
We had a major ice storm that took out the majority of the city. I lost phone, power...... for over a week. My manager didn't. He kept trying to contact me. He went so far as to attempt to drive to my house. He had issues.......
Availability is 24/7! OK... malicious compliance mode activated. 4.07 am - boss, there's an urgent issue that needs addressing now, please assist. 4.08 am - boss... 4.09 am - boss... 4.10 am - why is this going to answerphone? 4.11 am - per your written instructions regarding availability at all hours for all employees, you are in breach of your instructions. HR is copied in.
In NC, you can record these conversations without the other party’s knowledge. And while that may be used for nefarious purposes, I’m certainly gonna get a lot of mileage out of it with shitty bosses like this.
So, despite the fact that I am available at work for 8 hours of prime day time, you have failed to contact me. If it is taking you more than 8 hours to contact me then there are other issues to be addressed before my availability.
"Teamplayer" = corporate parlance for "underpaid doormat". That word has been so abused by corporate goons worldwide that it has lost its true meaning....😢
I would immediately inform HR that, effectively immediately, I will be adding all non-working hours to my timesheet as on-call hours and will expect to be paid for those hours, per the directive I have received from my direct supervisor, Jane Smith. And I would copy Jane and her boss on the email. I would also immediately begin looking for another job.
Sadly though, setting healthy, reasonable, professional boundaries does get people fired. It’s wrong, but it happens often. And most are not able/willing to go through litigation over it.
I can't reach you whenever I want to outside of working hours. That's an issue all right. I bill my time outside working hours and my rate increases hourly. If you expect to reach me outside of working hours on a regular basis, we'll have to renegotiate my contract to reflect my critical role.
Hi LoeWhaley, a quick heads-up that I found a video on TH-cam Shorts that seems to be using your content. It appears someone took one of your shorts videos and posted it under an animation but kept your audio intact. th-cam.com/users/shortsp6FjR9yRPZY
Wondering,as a dentist of 48 years,do you expect your dentist to be on all call 24/7365.73 years old,called 3 times last weekend for "emergencies". Been called on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day etc. many times.Since none of you want to be available in your on time,hope you treat others the same Many , many DO NOT!!!
I bet she trying to fill up the search for the word toodaloo. I also enjoyed the video but now i am curious on how much she monoploizing the word here on youtube.
Yes, go on. PLEASE! Your extreme lack of consideration is going to result in a conversation with YOUR supervisor and then HR, should THAT prove unsuccessful! This behavior SHOULD NOT be tolerated. PERIOD!
With such a poor attitude, she would be the first on the layoff list, get no raise and get a horrible review. A toxic employee that needs to go. The “minimum” is not acceptable.
Sorry, you're out of touch with reality. Your attitude assures the poor performance of your company, short & long term. Nobody wants to work for an organization which acts as though it owns employee time & effort 24 hours a day. You can't pay enough.
If you want me to be available outside working hours I expect there to be strict guidelines outlining this policy and compensation. I'm not giving away my hours for free, as I'm not given money for free. When I'm off work, I'm off work.
@@thebestblainejohnsonI’m sure you don’t mean that the law isn’t needed. The US is one of the crappiest countries in the world when it comes to how employees are treated. We treat people like they are chewed gum scraped off the bottom of corporates’ shoes. If you believe otherwise there’s a non-zero chance that *you* treat people like this.
@@swtlisaI don't have any problem with people calling me at 7 pm about work occasionally. I also do the same. I am not an hourly employee. Even if I was, why would I care? As long as I was getting a good deal.
Okay, team player. Makes calls to boss: Monday 4:45 am and 10:45pm Tuesday: midnight and 2am Wednesday: 7pm, 1am, and 5am Thursday: 11pm and 3am Friday: exactly at 5:45pm (know you're communting) 8pm, 1:30am, and 4am Saturday: 6:45am, noon, 3pm, 8pm, midnight, 2:45am 4:45am Sunday: 9:15am, 1pm, 11pm, 3am Boss: "what the H do you want?" Me: "team player here with that availability mandate!"
You tell ‘em Haley! Also, if you want the cherry on top? Send the transcripts to the big leagues e.g. CEO, main manager (Yes I’m aware it’s a skit, but come on, it’d be interesting and funny to see the boss’s reaction unless this is the main manager/CEO then time to quit with such a toxic environment)
send to my boss, CC to boss's boss, dickhead and dickhead's boss. just for this convo. i work in a 200 people company and the CEO knows everyone, CC him if the call ended nasty.
Unfortunately, there are very few CEO's that will agree. They respond with things like "Not today, not tomorrow, but sometime in the next month I want that person fired" True story.
In Japan working your employees to death(literally) has been a prevalent practice that is now illegal. They even have a word for it - Karoshi - Meaning Overwork Death.
@@theyoftheravens Gotta love those titles, like "I Spent Ten Years Working At A Black Company Before Collapsing And Finding Myself In Another World Where I Became A Pinball Wizard"
If I'm to be available 24/7 then I should be paid as such. If not but you still want me to answer my phone whenever you call, then each call is worth one hour of pay.
I had the same issue when I was working for a driving agency. As they asked me why my mobile phone was switched off at night. I explained that whenever I went to bed, my phone did the same. As if they called me in the middle of the night, I more likely have problems getting back to sleep. And that would be making it unsafe for me to drive the next day
As a European, I find these videos really interesting as it's not a culture I've experienced. If I'm seen still logged in after my working day (I work 7am - 3:30pm), my manager teams messages me to log off immediately. Anything that needs doing can be done on my next working day or I can hand it over to her.
Last time I checked: emergencies are reserved for family. And unless you came from my parents' union or blood/in law, the office family reunion will be 9-5 per scheduled. 😊😂
More workers need to adopt this type policy. The "company" has no loyalty to the employee...
To the companies your only a pay role number, and as your their employee. They have a legal duty to make sure that your working environment is not causing you any mental health issues
You're absolutely correct. The company can drop you like an hat, but then they expect you to give them 2 weeks notice. lol
Yes yes YES. RECORD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. Even if it's just typing it out, having a paper trail is sooooo important
Paper trails help more than a "casual conversation" because it can't be ignored
"If my work hours have expanded to an expectation of 24 hours/day, my contract is only for 8 hours/day and will need to be renegotiated."
In the mid 90s, when Blackberries came out, the Partners at a large Law Firm voted NOT to require Associates carry them in off hours. The Partnership recognized they could not control themselves in off hours. Was reported in the American Lawyer Magazine.
Sadly, not the case anymore.
If I'm expected to be reachable at any time, I'm expecting the on call compensation that goes with it even if I end up not being needed.
I once worked for company which paid $12 for on call for whole week ... 24/7 oncall ... is that enough? :D
@@JoATTech jesus that's bad
@@JoATTech not even close as thats a literal violation of federal overtime and double time laws
@@JoATTech In my field (IT) the on call compensation is usually 3 to 5 euro's per hour from 6pm to 8am the next day. When you get a call and need to do some actual work the full hourly rate kicks in and the time you work is rounded up to the nearest half hour. You will get 150% of your hourly rate when you're needed after 8pm or on Saturdays and 200% on Sundays or official holidays.
Personally I usually make a deal with my client that they don't actually pay me for those extra hours, but instead allow me to take the extra time off. So if I had to work a couple of hours one evening or during the weekend, I might take the next Friday afternoon off and still write 8 hours on my time sheet. Makes it much easier for everyone.
@@catsi563 It was ~12 years ago in Poland.
Still breached at least 3 work laws.
Finally we went on strike, and they raised on call duty to ~$60 a week + they started paying normal overtime (before they paid 1:1 - bending the law).
But now I work for global IT corporation. And they do exactly the same. Breaching at least 3 work laws ... every ducking day. No one cares ....
"Your failure to manage your workday schedule and poor communication does not mean I am unreachable."
Even my parents wouldn't call me at these late hours ffs. 😒😒😒
I have a rate sheet for being on-call. It goes in all my contracts. The next line is an option: "We decline on-call services" and we codify the next-business-day thing.
Imagine having a contract instead of at-will
We really really want that extra 2 hours of your day!
Well, I really want that extra 20 grand a year.
Can you see a way that we could both get what we want?
*60 grand
I would love to see you add a new set of scenarios for IT workers and here is why. In the mid 1960’s large companies started lobbying the government to make IT workers exempt from overtime rules even though they were not management thus making them unable to receive overtime. Because of this and that computer systems run 24/7 the on call became part of an IT worker’s life. Before remote access that meant getting into your car and driving to work at all hours and working until the problem was solved. (I have work 37 hours straight on this type of issue). Then in the 1980’s again large companies saw the rise of the independent contractor who demanded to be paid for hours worked so they had the IRS state that this type of worker needed to be incorporated but they had lawyers and accountants excepted (rule 1706). I have had a client page me in a casino in Vegas, leave a message for me at Disney World and a resort in southern California. With remote access so common today the travel impact is minimal but the 24/7 attitude is still there without compensation. I find your skits very much to the point. Keep them coming.
Agree. IT is a world in itself and yes, we are expected to be on call 24/7/365, especially if you are in any type of production services or cyber security type of a role. They never hire enough people yet they want 24-hour coverage. We are also usually passionate about what we are working on which comes to our detriment because we do end up answering calls at all times of the night because we may be working on systems that deal with banking, hospitals, and the like, which need immediate action. If they hire enough staff then maybe we wouldn't have to worry about these calls. But yes you are not seen as doing your job if you don't answer them.
agreed. been there, done that but retired now. but your story hits home with me, too.
I have driven an hour to downtown at 3 a.m., restarted the servers that had gone offline, returned home and was back in the office for 9 a.m. the same day with zero additional compensation.
Wow. That is *HORRIBLE* !!! I always thought IT people got "on call" pay and overtime.
That is unconscionable!
God forbid the CEOs don't pull down the big bucks.
global companies solve this issue by putting people in different time zones, so when it's night in the US, they are in their working day and can take the issues without needing overtime. Only if a certain piece of hardware is involved (and they try to split those to the different sites as well, so you can switch to the back-up system until the people come in to fix the main one) you still have on-call issues. And given that some countries have their week-end at different days, you can play around with that as well, needing only few out of normal hours people.
Ahhh! The quietness that occurred when she found out all that was being said was being put into an email. ❤❤❤
And that's one big reason to do it. Either they backpedal on the request, which means you're off the hook, or they confirm, and they're *on* the hook, for violating labor laws or the like.
Yep. At least when you get let go, you have documentation to try & fight for unemployment
Several years ago, I worked for the federal government, and I learned really quick the "game" of CYA. Cover your a$$. Document EVERYTHING!!!!
Sometimes it pays (literally) to forward a corporate e-mail thread to your personal account or copy it to a thumb drive to preserve it from deletion. It saved my booty on a couple of occasions!
I recently sent an email stating inappropriate behavior from a supervisor, spoke to corporate HR who assured me it would remain private, but now that person along with other managers are giving me the cold shoulder. I continue to do my job to the fullest regardless of their attitude and feel justified that in my current role I am not to be challenged or insulted again. Thank you for encouraging me to stand up for myself! 😊
They probably said "an employee has said such and such." If the supervisor said/did it only to you, they know who did it.
Definitely agree here. Employees should record all conversations as well as having a paper trail - super important as a lot managers like to deny all accountability of saying what they said
I love it when you respond like that!!! I wish all of us responded this way in similar circumstances!
HR exists to shield the cmpany. It has nothing to do with employee rights.
If laws are broken, HR need to deal with it. If she gets fired, she now has evidence of retaliatory actions, also against the law.
Sometimes you can get HR on your side by quoting a labor law or ordinance and expressing a willingness to follow through. If a manager or veep or even officer is opening the company up to litigation or prosecution, believe me, they WANT to know!
The only time they are on your side is if they think you have a lawsuit against them. Best buddies then! Anything else? You are a number and easily replaced.
They are strictly risk-management for the company. If it lowers risk, they'll first get rid of you.
I found that out the hard way
My entire team blocks out time during work hours to.... GASP work! We don't answer calls, emails, meeting requests during those times. We focus on you know... WORK!
Years ago my dad worked as a technician in a chemical plant earning an hourly wage and being paid T&1/2 for overtime, of which there was a reasonable amount that Dad didn't mind working. When the shop boss retired, the company wanted to make Dad the shop boss. "You'll be salaried and we'll raise your salary to effectively $10k more than what you're presently making." Dad asked, "How 'bout overtime pay?" "Nope, no more of that. You'll be a 'professional', exempt from overtime pay." Dad replied, "Nope, I'd be a dumb-ass GIVING my time to a company who doesn't appreciate my time as much as I do. Give the white shirt and tie to someone else." Only an egotist falls for the "you'll be an 'exempt professional' corporate scam.
Ah, that be me inviting the works council and HR.
And just to be mean, an Anonymous complaint to her HOA.
Love the mug with the handle included!
While I find these videos insightful, I'm thinking it only works to push back at a manager like this when you know your great at your job and your job is important to the company, and your skillset is one that can easily gain you another position elsewhere quickly while it would also be hard to replace you. If you aren't the top guru in your post, might not have the same power leverage to push back like on this video.
But the typing out of the conversation for later documentation is important.
Thank you - this is starting to bug me about this person's content. While I appreciate the sentiment that employees should not be available beyond their working hours and I do agree, speaking in such a condescending way to your supervisor is a sure way to put yourself squarely on their bad side. Most people are 100% replaceable - and nothing about her many characters indicate that they wouldn't be, either. Never underestimate the fact that the employer has more power in this 'relationship' than you. I am worried that she is encouraging her audience to behave in a manner that is going to prevent them from opportunities, or worse, lead to them being removed from their positions.
Too true, Mr greene
@@saoirserubio536what's your line that you will not let management cross. It seems that the company ms. Whaley uses as an example has power as it's only currency. That's not a good company to work for.
@@FoxyfloofJumps Exactly. Gotta create a paper trail for that employment attorney you might have to hired down the road.
If only that actually worked IRL. I've worked at companies where the policy from the top-down was overwork.
I've seen many of these clips and never noticed the coffee cup. PRICELESS!
Paper trail!
"Between the hours of 8am and 5pm, I am totally dedicated to this team, and I do not take personal phone calls during this time. During the hours of 5.01pm to 7.59am I am playing for my home team and I extend them the same courtesy regarding phone calls that you expect of me."
Well-said 👏👏👏
I don't mind my boss calling me outside of work hours. I know if he does it, it's important. In exchange, if i need to take care of something personal during working hours, it's not a problem.
I learn something new every day here. I am grateful that I don't encompass any of the corp issues highlighted on this channel, but will keep following just in case!
Loe, I have just turned sixty, so I'm ready to join your dad's prank force. Would you please introduce us?
I'm taking notes to turn in with my "outside work hours" compensation bill.
I'm sure HR and payroll will appreciate this 😉
OMG the mug is AWESOME
Your videos are so spot on. I. Know of a company who has ( or had at least) compulsory voluntary donations to a charity.
Even machines needs to shutdown and have maintenance checks and minor adjustments or repairs.
Otherwise they'll breakdown easily and you'll get no work done, and pay lots from your pockets because of the inconveniences made by the breakdown.
So love your machines... in this case, your employees.
yup careful of work scams i have 'worked' almost all my life. now i have the luxery of workin at home
My working hours are posted and in black and white. Anything you need from me beyond that is 'on call' which I am not contracted for and will be charged accordingly.
I'd also be recording that meeting.
If they want me to be available all the time, then they have to pay me all the time. simple.
remember, when you die your work will be the first to replace you
As a pilot, and a Gen X, I have no fs to give. But I might need that coffee mug.😂
Make sure EVERYTHING is in writing. Documentation is key - I am a HR manager, documentation will always help you win and back yourself
Or at least help to fight for unemployment after you're let go
I just love this girl... Toodaloo!
If it’s like two minutes after 5, fine. If I have eaten dinner, fed my dogs, showered, and gotten into bed, then I won’t even return the call in the morning
I dont know how many of these vids I have watched and she picks up that coffee cup and I just now clicked on what it says. Holy crap how did I miss something that obvious and funny?!
Calling someone at 10:44 at night is totally unacceptable. Many people to to bed earlier than that. She needs to take that up with HR and file a complaint against that supervisor for disturbing her sleep - during her off hours. Talk about chutzpah.
Love your vids...Subbed! 😄
I have a work phone and a private phone. Gets which ones gets to stay at the office. And which one is not on the company records.
I am not responsible for management lack of skill at time management.
It's weird watching this, not being from the USA. Other first-world countries have rights for their employees.
Yes! Document, document, document!
As a truck driver in the UK, there are very strict laws that the driver must obey. Especially with taking rest breaks, so if the employer calls the driver whilst he’s on his daily break. If any party wanted to follow these rules to the letter, by calling the drivers break must be restarted from the end of that call
We had a major ice storm that took out the majority of the city. I lost phone, power...... for over a week. My manager didn't. He kept trying to contact me. He went so far as to attempt to drive to my house. He had issues.......
Availability is 24/7!
OK... malicious compliance mode activated.
4.07 am - boss, there's an urgent issue that needs addressing now, please assist.
4.08 am - boss...
4.09 am - boss...
4.10 am - why is this going to answerphone?
4.11 am - per your written instructions regarding availability at all hours for all employees, you are in breach of your instructions. HR is copied in.
In NC, you can record these conversations without the other party’s knowledge. And while that may be used for nefarious purposes, I’m certainly gonna get a lot of mileage out of it with shitty bosses like this.
So, despite the fact that I am available at work for 8 hours of prime day time, you have failed to contact me. If it is taking you more than 8 hours to contact me then there are other issues to be addressed before my availability.
"Teamplayer" = corporate parlance for "underpaid doormat". That word has been so abused by corporate goons worldwide that it has lost its true meaning....😢
I would immediately inform HR that, effectively immediately, I will be adding all non-working hours to my timesheet as on-call hours and will expect to be paid for those hours, per the directive I have received from my direct supervisor, Jane Smith. And I would copy Jane and her boss on the email. I would also immediately begin looking for another job.
I need a 'UNT' cup. I'm a graduate of that university, indeed, it's my favourite food.
I just … sigh… I just had this conversation today. I was ordered to be available during my lunch hour and after hours.
Every high school student ought to study this dialogue - Socratic wisdom. (Have a look at Plato’s dialogue, ‘The Gorgias’, Sections 350 to 494.)
Sadly though, setting healthy, reasonable, professional boundaries does get people fired. It’s wrong, but it happens often. And most are not able/willing to go through litigation over it.
I’m enjoying the trend of having boss = worker + blazer
Toodaloo!
Love the “unt” mug, recently saw an “ick” mug with a reversed handle 😂
i know its not real but what did they answer when you did send that email?
Corporations think they own you.
" i am typing my rate for 24/7 availability and boy it does not look good for you" 😅
Unless you are being paid to be on-call never answer work calls or read work emails outside of work hours. That is wage theft.
Get all that recorded HR will have a field day!
Or at least it's documentation to fight for unemployment after they let you go
Send a copy to your lawyer instantly under "lawsuit?"
Boss is lucky she doesn't work in France
The only time my job is for overtime.
Why are you calling after 10:30 pm. And what was so important
ToodaFUQINloo!
10:45 pm? Do that to me and you will regret it.
Do you know that there is a cartoon “Veronika” where your audio and script are being stolen?
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I can't reach you whenever I want to outside of working hours. That's an issue all right. I bill my time outside working hours and my rate increases hourly. If you expect to reach me outside of working hours on a regular basis, we'll have to renegotiate my contract to reflect my critical role.
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She called at 1045pm what the HELL????
Hi LoeWhaley, a quick heads-up that I found a video on TH-cam Shorts that seems to be using your content. It appears someone took one of your shorts videos and posted it under an animation but kept your audio intact.
th-cam.com/users/shortsp6FjR9yRPZY
Wondering,as a dentist of 48 years,do you expect your dentist to be on all call 24/7365.73 years old,called 3 times last weekend for "emergencies". Been called on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day etc. many times.Since none of you want to be available in your on time,hope you treat others the same Many , many DO NOT!!!
Charge 25.00 per call after hours. Up to 3 minutes
People, don’t listen to this advice.
In real corporate world such bs from employee won’t fly. She would be out next day.
Then why would you work for them in the first place
I’m now retired and my mobile phone goes off every time I go to bed
I bet she trying to fill up the search for the word toodaloo. I also enjoyed the video but now i am curious on how much she monoploizing the word here on youtube.
Yup she monopolized it, other then suggestions from youtube way at the bottom and a cocomelon thing it is all her.
Thank God, this is illegal in Ontario.
Has this actually happened to anyone? Not saying doesn’t, it simply isn’t something I’ve encountered.
Oh yes. More than once.
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Yes, go on. PLEASE! Your extreme lack of consideration is going to result in a conversation with YOUR supervisor and then HR, should THAT prove unsuccessful! This behavior SHOULD NOT be tolerated. PERIOD!
I dare you to actually talk back like that I dare you
What about exempt employees?
With such a poor attitude, she would be the first on the layoff list, get no raise and get a horrible review. A toxic employee that needs to go. The “minimum” is not acceptable.
What's the name of the company that you own then? So we can all make sure to never apply there.
@@ghostmadlittlemiss Right? Where do these people work that this is acceptable behavior from the manager?
Sorry, you're out of touch with reality. Your attitude assures the poor performance of your company, short & long term.
Nobody wants to work for an organization which acts as though it owns employee time & effort 24 hours a day.
You can't pay enough.
If you want me to be available outside working hours I expect there to be strict guidelines outlining this policy and compensation.
I'm not giving away my hours for free, as I'm not given money for free.
When I'm off work, I'm off work.
You misspelled toxic work environment
hi can you talk more about narcissist's at work please and how best to deal with them thank you
At least it’s going to be illegal in California soon, hopefully this spreads to other states as well
One of the very few laws coming out of CA that I agree with ...
Simply not needed.
@@thebestblainejohnsonI’m sure you don’t mean that the law isn’t needed. The US is one of the crappiest countries in the world when it comes to how employees are treated. We treat people like they are chewed gum scraped off the bottom of corporates’ shoes. If you believe otherwise there’s a non-zero chance that *you* treat people like this.
@@swtlisaI don't have any problem with people calling me at 7 pm about work occasionally. I also do the same. I am not an hourly employee. Even if I was, why would I care? As long as I was getting a good deal.
Ah we found the corpo shill.@@AshiStarshade
Loved that you started taking notes and her response was... Silence.. Ha. Great video!! ♥️
If anyone was talking to me about this, I definitely would be recording it. And forwarding it to HR
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Okay, team player. Makes calls to boss:
Monday 4:45 am and 10:45pm
Tuesday: midnight and 2am
Wednesday: 7pm, 1am, and 5am
Thursday: 11pm and 3am
Friday: exactly at 5:45pm (know you're communting) 8pm, 1:30am, and 4am
Saturday: 6:45am, noon, 3pm, 8pm, midnight, 2:45am 4:45am
Sunday: 9:15am, 1pm, 11pm, 3am
Boss: "what the H do you want?"
Me: "team player here with that availability mandate!"
I love malicious compliance!
You tell ‘em Haley! Also, if you want the cherry on top? Send the transcripts to the big leagues e.g. CEO, main manager (Yes I’m aware it’s a skit, but come on, it’d be interesting and funny to see the boss’s reaction unless this is the main manager/CEO then time to quit with such a toxic environment)
A follow-up skit would be most excellent!
send to my boss, CC to boss's boss, dickhead and dickhead's boss. just for this convo.
i work in a 200 people company and the CEO knows everyone, CC him if the call ended nasty.
Unfortunately, there are very few CEO's that will agree. They respond with things like "Not today, not tomorrow, but sometime in the next month I want that person fired" True story.
Her boss is great in the skits. It's the project manager role that thinks she owns her.
In Japan working your employees to death(literally) has been a prevalent practice that is now illegal.
They even have a word for it - Karoshi - Meaning Overwork Death.
Yeah, there's a reason that it's a somewhat common Isekai anime death. :
@@theyoftheravens Gotta love those titles, like "I Spent Ten Years Working At A Black Company Before Collapsing And Finding Myself In Another World Where I Became A Pinball Wizard"
If I'm to be available 24/7 then I should be paid as such. If not but you still want me to answer my phone whenever you call, then each call is worth one hour of pay.
Team player is such a joke.....
And this is why laws are being passed prohibiting employers contacting employees outside of work hours.
I had the same issue when I was working for a driving agency. As they asked me why my mobile phone was switched off at night. I explained that whenever I went to bed, my phone did the same. As if they called me in the middle of the night, I more likely have problems getting back to sleep. And that would be making it unsafe for me to drive the next day
As a European, I find these videos really interesting as it's not a culture I've experienced. If I'm seen still logged in after my working day (I work 7am - 3:30pm), my manager teams messages me to log off immediately. Anything that needs doing can be done on my next working day or I can hand it over to her.
good for you. unfortunately that's not how america works lol.
Last time I checked: emergencies are reserved for family. And unless you came from my parents' union or blood/in law, the office family reunion will be 9-5 per scheduled. 😊😂