Brandists make me giggle. For the most part, each truck company builds a truck that does anything just as good, for the most part, as every other company. For every "bad Ford" out there that breaks down or has problems, there is a "bad Dodge", "bad Chevy", and so on. Every company has a lemon here and there. Just because there is one bad truck in the bunch doesn't mean every truck is bad from that company. People that say "I ain't never had a good Ford and I had 3 of them but every Dodge I get works perfect" may have just had a string of bad luck. Don't get me wrong, everyone has a preference and they are entitled to it but it seems like a waste of breath to argue one sucking and the other not. Next point, it seems to me that the "my truck blows more smoke than yours" argument is the same as the "my penis is bigger than yours" argument. It just doesn't matter, and for the most part, makes both people in the argument seem just plain stupid. I can easily afford to build a truck that blows more smoke than most others, but I choose not to because I would rather spend money on something worth while that actually makes sense. Nicer vehicle, addition to the house, expand the garage, and so on. That being said, I do not prefer one brand over the other. I choose my vehicle based on price, how well it fulfills my needs and if I like it in a test drive. Because of this I have been the happy owner of a Pontiac, Chevy, Dodge, Ford, GMC and Jeep and have had zero problems minus breaks, wipers and tires which wear on every vehicle out there. Let the "attack reply's" start rolling in. Note to all - I will not be arguing or going back and forth with anyone on this subject because it is a waste of time and I do not need to argue who has the bigger penis. My advice, find something more productive to argue about and argue to promote change, not just to argue.
I'd agree with you but: The 6.0 and 6.4 powerstroke sucked. The 7.3 was great and the 6.7 seems to be OK so far. Additionally, ford doesn't offer their own diesel in any of the medium duty trucks. The f650/750 has an option for the cummins 6.7 but not their own. one guess why. that exact same cummins is in the dodge 2500/3500 which are a couple steps below the 650 and are supposed to compete against fords f250/f350. If you were talking about gas pickups, i may agree with you (unless a company has a well-known turd of a motor, like the powerstrokes were) but you are making the comment on a diesel video.....
A month and a half ago, The 2016 model website didn't exist and until those models are ACTUALLY for sale, they still don't sell one with their own diesel.... I'm sure they had plenty of kinks to work out with the ford 6.7 before they would be comfortable even offering it in their medium duty lineup (as they'd be losing money on drivetrain warranty repairs if it wasn't ready, ant they already learned that with their 6.4s). BUT, it still isn't in the market, and has yet to be proven to be reliable, or even worthwhile under the differing conditions that a medium duty truck will bring.
not quite... Our 6.7 gets 21 on the highway and 17 around town. the truck in this vid dyno'd at 450+ but was having trouble spooling the turbo due to a blown uppipe, it has run mid 600's fairly consistantly.
@5dmc1 diesels under a load produce soot (the black smoke) caused by unburned fuel from the higher required fuel levels that turns into small carbon particulates and get released into the atmosphere. coal rolling is when someone puts the engine under a strain and it causes black smoke that you see
backup a few years pal. This truck was a 96, What did cummins have in 96? right an old smoky 12v. My 67 Powerjoke runs a clean 13.4 quarter on a tuner alone.
That's right. I'm pretty sure some big cities in Norway was going to partially ban diesel driven vehicles at certain hours of the day. Not sure how that will work out though
black smoke is unburnt fuel not white it only happens at little to no boost periods when throttle is applied rapidly at this point there is more fuel being delivered to the engine and there is not enough air being forced into the cylinder for the fuel to be burn completely other than that you are right about every thing else
actually it is partly valid about the unburnt fuel being the soot. more smoke means less air coming in and more fuel going through that cannot be burned due to lack of oxygen.
Not enough smoke. And besides, it looks way better out of a stack or pipe than just out of the hood. Pipe means skinnier plume and farther distance, and also more dense at the tip. but the truck sounds nice.
also the 6.7 powerstroke is lucky to get 12-14 mpg's. the truck in this video also smokes so much because it has bigger injectors and the turbo cant feed enough air to clean it up. id say that truck makes around 400hp maybe.
Yes and no: the potential energy is used slightly better so the Co2 level pro kilo watt is lower, but diesel exhaust contains more harmful particles than gasoline exhaust. Personally I drive a small diesel and love the reliability and feel of it.
@5dmc1 Most diesel engines are road tuned on the lean side of the perfect stoichiometric air/fuel ratio to avoid sooty exhaust. A diesel operating at the optimum air/fuel ratio will produce soot. Performance diesels will normally be tuned on the slight rich side for optimum power production and this is why they blow so much black smoke. It looks like they might have this truck running on a chassis dyno.
This is usually because the piston rings or turbo is broken causing motor oil to be burned off. He is probably loosing a lot of oil and have to refill all the time.
What does it take to make a reliable 400hp out of a 1.9l? whats the crank made of? how about the block webbing, I'd be interested. You do realize that most new HD diesels use european parts... Bosh fuel systems etc.
this 6.7 in the video is from like 1992. New diesels are pushing 400hp and 800lbs-ft of torque in a 5.7, all the while retaining the 500,000 + mile longevity that American diesels are known for. And that's just stock.
I know your saying this s a joke, but to people who think this is hurting the environment( pardon my spelling) its not. the black smoke that comes from a deisel engine is so heavy it actually all falls back to the ground. It does not affect the ozone in any way. Only normal car exausts affect the ozone layer.
speaking of ford diesels, everyone i know with a ford diesel pickup, has lots of problems, hard starting, rough running, leaking fuel, etc, and those little cummins inline 6's just keep running so nicely
Is this right before the PowerJoke exploded or did it die quietly? One thing is for sure though, my 1989 5.9 Cummins will still be running long after this one has been turned into a new Prius.
Wow, youre good there guy. Did your professional opinion read the description? With the turbo not spooling because of the plumbing leaks, no shit it was running rich
Diesel engines don't use a spark to ignite fuel; they just squeeze the air/fuel mixture until it blows up. The high combustion chamber pressures of diesel engines burn more of the nitrogen in the air, creating vastly higher NOx emissions than most cars.
Oldsmobile has a 5.7 diesel option in their bigger cars from 78-85 or so...the LF9...they also used the LF9 5.7 Olds diesel in the 78-81 Suburban AND the C/K pickup until the 6.2 Detroit came out in 1982..the LF9 loved breaking head bolts off when water got in the fuel.
wait a second...i think thats the new ford hybrid diesel. gets something like 80 mpg in city 120 on highway. sets the standard for emissions among all new hybrid diesels. you should see the size of the spark plugs on those things!
@masterwolf1212 If you look into the production of the batteries that the Prius uses, you would see that process isn't very good for the environment either...that MAY be what he was referring to...i dunno.
If you take a look, a jetta 1.8 or whatever it is only puts out like 140hp, with maybe 200 lbs-feet of torque. They will put out black smoke when you really hammer home, I've done it before. It's just the nature of a diesel engine. This Powerstroke 6.7 is probably putting out over 300 hp, with double the torque, whilst still managing to tow its heavy, 7000lbs ass around town, towing a 10,000 pound trailer. And STILL getting 16-20mpg.
I don't know where you get your facts, but the burning of one gallon of diesel and one gallon of gasoline produce roughly the same about of CO2. HOWEVER, one gallon of diesel fuel will propel a vehicle approximately 30% further than a gasoline, meaning they are that much more efficient. and I said "gasoline counterparts" for these engines, you cannot compare them to "normal cars" as you say. the truck in this video is producing about 700 horsepower and over 1,000 lbs/ft torque
since a Prius uses a gas engine, it runs at 14.1:1 ratio, a diesel at normal power levels can operate at 100:1 or even less fuel.. it's the nature of the beast.
Our emissions standards are tighter than yours. VW almsot stopped shipping the TDI to the US because most states would not allow it until they conformed to stricter standards. I wanted to get one but they were not available in my state for about 3 years. That said, obviously this truck is a competition truck... which is allowed for off-road/race use only.
The only trans that GM uses that is above average as far as performance and reliability (aside from the turbo400) is the Allison and GM does not make it... The Allison is damn good but only when the engine is left in stock form, any mods that produce over 80hp is too much for the A-1000. Fords Torqushift however can hold 500-600hp reliably before needing to be upgraded. Dont matter much to me though, im a 5 speed guy.
@Dethsing I agree with you totally but diesel smoke (soot) does tend to irritate the lungs more than anything you mentioned. Not that I care, just a fact
Actually had the turbo been able to spool, there might have been more oxygen to convert to CO2, In our example here we see incomplete combustion, meaning that the oxidation process was unable to completely occur. This is going to take a little more than elementary chemistry. Regardless, yes there is an abundance of "large" partcile carbon being emited, it settles to the ground with the other carbon. UNLIKE the greenhouse gasses your yaris emits.
stacked with smarty stacked with banks stacked with stackes and stacked with cold air intake stacked with... did you see my tow mirror is flipped up, they are so bad ass!
From Wikipedia: "DMAX of Moraine, Ohio is a manufacturer of Diesel engines for trucks. Originally a joint venture between General Motors and Isuzu, now all owned and operated by General Motors, the formation of DMAX was announced in December 1998. The company's Duramax V8 engine has been extremely successful for GM". GM bought Izuzu's design, but everything is now built in Moraine, Ohio.
....ok im no diesel expert, but... wouldn't that just gum up the valvetrain of the engine?? doesn't seem like its very neccesary. i know its all just because of the power its making, but.. isnt that kinda bad for it?
Im a GM guy and will fight for them any day of the week, but i actually agree with that statement. Only problem is on the new dodges the cummins is a v6. if they made it a v8 it would be one badass engine!
why so much black smoke it means unburnt fuel. we have here 1200hp engines and some scania 1500horsepower wich dont create black smoke dude. they are between 4 and 6.7 litres.
Hey! Look at me! I'm injecting more fuel than i should! I'm so cool!
Prius Driver be like...Hey ladies!..This car isn't the only battery powered thing I'm sitting on;)
All I'm gonna say is that the ford is in the shop and the dodge isnt
Good to see your all doin your part for our enviroment!!!!!
Brandists make me giggle. For the most part, each truck company builds a truck that does anything just as good, for the most part, as every other company. For every "bad Ford" out there that breaks down or has problems, there is a "bad Dodge", "bad Chevy", and so on.
Every company has a lemon here and there. Just because there is one bad truck in the bunch doesn't mean every truck is bad from that company. People that say "I ain't never had a good Ford and I had 3 of them but every Dodge I get works perfect" may have just had a string of bad luck.
Don't get me wrong, everyone has a preference and they are entitled to it but it seems like a waste of breath to argue one sucking and the other not.
Next point, it seems to me that the "my truck blows more smoke than yours" argument is the same as the "my penis is bigger than yours" argument. It just doesn't matter, and for the most part, makes both people in the argument seem just plain stupid.
I can easily afford to build a truck that blows more smoke than most others, but I choose not to because I would rather spend money on something worth while that actually makes sense. Nicer vehicle, addition to the house, expand the garage, and so on.
That being said, I do not prefer one brand over the other. I choose my vehicle based on price, how well it fulfills my needs and if I like it in a test drive. Because of this I have been the happy owner of a Pontiac, Chevy, Dodge, Ford, GMC and Jeep and have had zero problems minus breaks, wipers and tires which wear on every vehicle out there.
Let the "attack reply's" start rolling in. Note to all - I will not be arguing or going back and forth with anyone on this subject because it is a waste of time and I do not need to argue who has the bigger penis. My advice, find something more productive to argue about and argue to promote change, not just to argue.
I'd agree with you but:
The 6.0 and 6.4 powerstroke sucked. The 7.3 was great and the 6.7 seems to be OK so far. Additionally, ford doesn't offer their own diesel in any of the medium duty trucks. The f650/750 has an option for the cummins 6.7 but not their own. one guess why. that exact same cummins is in the dodge 2500/3500 which are a couple steps below the 650 and are supposed to compete against fords f250/f350. If you were talking about gas pickups, i may agree with you (unless a company has a well-known turd of a motor, like the powerstrokes were) but you are making the comment on a diesel video.....
pre10141982 they are about to offer the new 6.7 diesel look it up on there website
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A month and a half ago, The 2016 model website didn't exist and until those models are ACTUALLY for sale, they still don't sell one with their own diesel....
I'm sure they had plenty of kinks to work out with the ford 6.7 before they would be comfortable even offering it in their medium duty lineup (as they'd be losing money on drivetrain warranty repairs if it wasn't ready, ant they already learned that with their 6.4s). BUT, it still isn't in the market, and has yet to be proven to be reliable, or even worthwhile under the differing conditions that a medium duty truck will bring.
not quite... Our 6.7 gets 21 on the highway and 17 around town. the truck in this vid dyno'd at 450+ but was having trouble spooling the turbo due to a blown uppipe, it has run mid 600's fairly consistantly.
To much smoke :-(
It's not good for the enviroment.
Save the Planet, Save your house.
all that black is just carbon that is being naturally put back into the environment as it falls to the ground.
@5dmc1 diesels under a load produce soot (the black smoke) caused by unburned fuel from the higher required fuel levels that turns into small carbon particulates and get released into the atmosphere. coal rolling is when someone puts the engine under a strain and it causes black smoke that you see
it's not polluting the air. it falls right to the ground. where as gasoline goes into the air, and pollutes the air.
backup a few years pal. This truck was a 96, What did cummins have in 96? right an old smoky 12v. My 67 Powerjoke runs a clean 13.4 quarter on a tuner alone.
Good Comeback I respect that
That's right. I'm pretty sure some big cities in Norway was going to partially ban diesel driven vehicles at certain hours of the day. Not sure how that will work out though
black smoke is unburnt fuel not white it only happens at little to no boost periods when throttle is applied rapidly at this point there is more fuel being delivered to the engine and there is not enough air being forced into the cylinder for the fuel to be burn completely other than that you are right about every thing else
This video changed my life for the better.
myself and the atmosphere both thank you for this fine display
Cool dude yeah! You know you could smoke him just as well with a ketchup can, a quart of diesel, and a match?? Kids!
actually it is partly valid about the unburnt fuel being the soot. more smoke means less air coming in and more fuel going through that cannot be burned due to lack of oxygen.
It's carbon particulate, which settles on the floor and is absorbed into soil.
Not enough smoke. And besides, it looks way better out of a stack or pipe than just out of the hood. Pipe means skinnier plume and farther distance, and also more dense at the tip. but the truck sounds nice.
also the 6.7 powerstroke is lucky to get 12-14 mpg's. the truck in this video also smokes so much because it has bigger injectors and the turbo cant feed enough air to clean it up. id say that truck makes around 400hp maybe.
Yes and no: the potential energy is used slightly better so the Co2 level pro kilo watt is lower, but diesel exhaust contains more harmful particles than gasoline exhaust.
Personally I drive a small diesel and love the reliability and feel of it.
The Ram 1500 is getting a non-Cummins light duty V6 diesel. The big trucks still have an I6 Cummins.
they are working on clean diesels too.. the car-makers are on a testing phase in japan.
@5dmc1 Most diesel engines are road tuned on the lean side of the perfect stoichiometric air/fuel ratio to avoid sooty exhaust. A diesel operating at the optimum air/fuel ratio will produce soot. Performance diesels will normally be tuned on the slight rich side for optimum power production and this is why they blow so much black smoke. It looks like they might have this truck running on a chassis dyno.
This is usually because the piston rings or turbo is broken causing motor oil to be burned off. He is probably loosing a lot of oil and have to refill all the time.
What does it take to make a reliable 400hp out of a 1.9l? whats the crank made of? how about the block webbing, I'd be interested. You do realize that most new HD diesels use european parts... Bosh fuel systems etc.
this 6.7 in the video is from like 1992. New diesels are pushing 400hp and 800lbs-ft of torque in a 5.7, all the while retaining the 500,000 + mile longevity that American diesels are known for. And that's just stock.
That makes more sense. Why's the smoke blowin' out the front though? Tube from the exhaust?
Desel burns cleaner than gasoline. The black is just un burned desel and actualy dosnt "end up in the air"
I know your saying this s a joke, but to people who think this is hurting the environment( pardon my spelling) its not. the black smoke that comes from a deisel engine is so heavy it actually all falls back to the ground. It does not affect the ozone in any way. Only normal car exausts affect the ozone layer.
It's not bad per se, but it is unburned (and therefore wasted) fuel.
speaking of ford diesels, everyone i know with a ford diesel pickup, has lots of problems, hard starting, rough running, leaking fuel, etc, and those little cummins inline 6's just keep running so nicely
Is this right before the PowerJoke exploded or did it die quietly? One thing is for sure though, my 1989 5.9 Cummins will still be running long after this one has been turned into a new Prius.
Wow, youre good there guy. Did your professional opinion read the description? With the turbo not spooling because of the plumbing leaks, no shit it was running rich
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Diesel engines don't use a spark to ignite fuel; they just squeeze the air/fuel mixture until it blows up. The high combustion chamber pressures of diesel engines burn more of the nitrogen in the air, creating vastly higher NOx emissions than most cars.
What they didn't show was the Powertroke blowing up at the end.
Oldsmobile has a 5.7 diesel option in their bigger cars from 78-85 or so...the LF9...they also used the LF9 5.7 Olds diesel in the 78-81 Suburban AND the C/K pickup until the 6.2 Detroit came out in 1982..the LF9 loved breaking head bolts off when water got in the fuel.
wait a second...i think thats the new ford hybrid diesel. gets something like 80 mpg in city 120 on highway. sets the standard for emissions among all new hybrid diesels. you should see the size of the spark plugs on those things!
the on screen pop up's say its a melted turbo pipe
and for any who question that look at the Ford F600 it had a cummins in it not powerstroke and some of the Thomas Built buses did too
@masterwolf1212 If you look into the production of the batteries that the Prius uses, you would see that process isn't very good for the environment either...that MAY be what he was referring to...i dunno.
black smoke and loud noise. what cool about that?
I can't speak for everyone else... but in this case the turbo wouldn't spool because the up-pipe melted.
was that detonating at :22, doubt it will last long like that
you are wrong. the soot is heavier than air. This video was not shot on the moon.
i thought my ranger was lacking in power until i drove a buddy's vw- it made my truck look like a rocket.
If you take a look, a jetta 1.8 or whatever it is only puts out like 140hp, with maybe 200 lbs-feet of torque. They will put out black smoke when you really hammer home, I've done it before. It's just the nature of a diesel engine. This Powerstroke 6.7 is probably putting out over 300 hp, with double the torque, whilst still managing to tow its heavy, 7000lbs ass around town, towing a 10,000 pound trailer. And STILL getting 16-20mpg.
Yes I am one do you have a problem with it?
Darn I messed it up once again all well glad you noticed.
I don't know where you get your facts, but the burning of one gallon of diesel and one gallon of gasoline produce roughly the same about of CO2.
HOWEVER, one gallon of diesel fuel will propel a vehicle approximately 30% further than a gasoline, meaning they are that much more efficient.
and I said "gasoline counterparts" for these engines, you cannot compare them to "normal cars" as you say. the truck in this video is producing about 700 horsepower and over 1,000 lbs/ft torque
for about triple the cost, perhaps you can do it with little smoke
Diesel is cleaner then gasoline, and doesn't pollute nearly as much when you see the smoke, even though it may look bad, the gas fumes are worse.
since a Prius uses a gas engine, it runs at 14.1:1 ratio, a diesel at normal power levels can operate at 100:1 or even less fuel.. it's the nature of the beast.
Early 90's Powerstrokes??? The 7.3 Powerstroke wasnt introduced till the MID 90's.
So why is Carbon Dust highly toxic to the human Lungs ????
I bet "Uncle Dad" and "Aunt Mom" are proud!
Wow, you dont even know how proud I am of all these comments !
Our emissions standards are tighter than yours. VW almsot stopped shipping the TDI to the US because most states would not allow it until they conformed to stricter standards. I wanted to get one but they were not available in my state for about 3 years. That said, obviously this truck is a competition truck... which is allowed for off-road/race use only.
The only trans that GM uses that is above average as far as performance and reliability (aside from the turbo400) is the Allison and GM does not make it... The Allison is damn good but only when the engine is left in stock form, any mods that produce over 80hp is too much for the A-1000. Fords Torqushift however can hold 500-600hp reliably before needing to be upgraded. Dont matter much to me though, im a 5 speed guy.
Ford did not make the 7.3, International (Navistar) did.
Have you?
@Dethsing I agree with you totally but diesel smoke (soot) does tend to irritate the lungs more than anything you mentioned. Not that I care, just a fact
Anyone got a match? I wonder if the mix in the exhaust is rich enough to burn.
literally blowing unburnt diesel into the air. thats so good
@jaydee040 no... try again... Ford makes the 6.7l
Actually had the turbo been able to spool, there might have been more oxygen to convert to CO2, In our example here we see incomplete combustion, meaning that the oxidation process was unable to completely occur. This is going to take a little more than elementary chemistry. Regardless, yes there is an abundance of "large" partcile carbon being emited, it settles to the ground with the other carbon. UNLIKE the greenhouse gasses your yaris emits.
um what is soot? a form of carbon correct... thought so.
soot is heavier then air...the wind just blows it around..
cant even compare a power stroke to a cummins
If I cant see the smoke, it means its not there... Right?
Captain Planet!
He's our hero!
Gonna take pollution down to ZERO
actually diesel is one of the most cleanest burning gases because its so dense if just falls to the ground
smoke is unburnt fuel therefore running rich (over-fueling).
No need to hate
What is the point... what's wrong with the truck?
stacked with smarty stacked with banks stacked with stackes and stacked with cold air intake stacked with... did you see my tow mirror is flipped up, they are so bad ass!
From Wikipedia: "DMAX of Moraine, Ohio is a manufacturer of Diesel engines for trucks. Originally a joint venture between General Motors and Isuzu, now all owned and operated by General Motors, the formation of DMAX was announced in December 1998. The company's Duramax V8 engine has been extremely successful for GM".
GM bought Izuzu's design, but everything is now built in Moraine, Ohio.
Yes, and they also made a 7.3.
Goddamn u just killed every epa member of heart attack for 3 counties lol
A powerstroke is a a crete motor from international, so yes they were called powerstrokes when international made them.
I heard it had 24 spark plugs and a newly designed rotary engine!
You meant smokes quite literely
....ok im no diesel expert, but... wouldn't that just gum up the valvetrain of the engine?? doesn't seem like its very neccesary. i know its all just because of the power its making, but.. isnt that kinda bad for it?
Im a GM guy and will fight for them any day of the week, but i actually agree with that statement. Only problem is on the new dodges the cummins is a v6. if they made it a v8 it would be one badass engine!
7.3 PSD - T444E
6.0 PSD - VT365
6.4 PSD - MaxxForce 7
6.7 - Ford
so when they race, the dodge gets passed and off road, it gets stuck?
Says it's from "melted turbo plumbing.". Looks like unburned fuel to me....
it was putting out smoke cause it was cranking power! listen to how high it revs! obviously not stock.
Why is plant fertilizer toxic?
20 eviromentalists died while watching this video. They freaked out by the amount of polution that was put out.
Looks like you need less fuel or a smaller turbo bud
why so much black smoke it means unburnt fuel. we have here 1200hp engines and some scania 1500horsepower wich dont create black smoke dude. they are between 4 and 6.7 litres.
explain to me how diesel air polution has ever hurt anyone
Wow you can get rid of the soot with a product called Clear mXt from tk fuels...
It has to! Right?!
Isn't the exhaust supposed to come out the back?
so how many people got cancer
how is it polluting the air, when it goes to the ground?
Hear the whistle? See the smoke? Just got passed by a powerstroke