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Major benefit of Lunar Lake is Linux compatibility. That's what matters to me. Eventually that may change but it's still going to require custom boot loaders and what not.
i don't know how the battery life would be like on linux for lunar lake, technically linux supported arm for ages now, when the kernel will totally support the snapdragon chips, it will shine more than windows on arm i hope
So basically Intel's new gen just made Snapdragon irrelevant. A boost to multicore in arm optimized workloads isn't worth the lack of compatability. Identical real world performance and battery usage = Win for Intel.
That’s completely false. Snapdragon laptops are amazing. As far as the GPU is concerned 75% of games work fine and as far as the CPU almost 99% of everything works perfectly.
Does anyone see the obvious fact that all these chips are now manufactured by TSMC ….M4….Elite…Lunar Lake and AMD’s chips…and they all perform about the same …just different designs 🤔
@@jonathanng138I will agree with that, lunar lake sucks and Intel needs to stop lying and gaslighting us to try and make us believe x86 has caught up anywhere close to arm in performance to efficiency because every time they fail and I just laugh at people who actually believe Intel claims at this point, when they screw us over and over again yet people still trust them
I can almost guarantee that Lunar Lake will be faster. Video editing can take advantage of the iGPU on the Intel laptop. The iGPU on the Qualcomm laptop is much inferior.
Idk for reviewers but for consumers it's a long term investment. So compatibility is a major factor. Not only games but in x elite many apps are incompatible.
The funny thing about multicore performance on a machine that has 12 cores, unless you were specifically using the CPU to do 3-D rendering *without a GPU* (which you would probably never do professionally) there’s very few cases where you’re going to spin up 12 cores.
The battery is inaccurate, you restarted one PC and played League of Legends on the other. Woh and behold, the one you played league of legends on has a lower battery than the one that had a second of rest.
That’s actually misleading. Way beforehand, he had run multicore Cinebench tests, after which the X Elite Laptop had 72% and Lunar lake Laptop started to trail with 70% battery life. He literally restarted once (which literally takes less than 2 seconds for modern laptops, and has minimal to influence on battery life tests). He never played LoL on the Lunar Lake. And literally the Lunar Lake only trailed by around 3% (even if you want to factor in the restart) it would theoretically trail by 2% in the end…
Plus, Dell XPS 14 has the Nvidia RTX 4060 GPU to cover GPU intensive work and some gaming on the side. The CPU side should preserve the battery longer.
In my opinion, people are being way too harsh on Qualcomm mainly because of the new GPU. As shown in this video, the snapdragon CPU is about 90% faster than the lunar Lake one in multi thread apps that are native to arm. And it’s cheaper too. I think they beat expectations for performance with their first CPU.
yeah even apple m series had some issues, sure they could resolve them faster but still people were not as harsh to them. Its mostly cause rn Qualcomm is against windows people and apple people. Supporters of X86 and M series
It is not about being harsh, but being realistic. Yes, the snapdragon chip is very good, but, 1) you rely on windows to make the OS performant on ARM, 2) you rely on every developer to port their applications to Windows on ARM and 3) you expect a windows platform to have great gaming selection and support. These are huge conditions that are most likely not going to happen, at least not any time soon. Lunar Lake combines efficiency with x86 support, and for those who don't care about gaming, macOS is a beast productivity platform. This combination makes Snapdragon and windows on ARM almost completely irrelevant. Having said that, Snapdragon could definitely focus on making ARM based Servers & Datacenters though, given their excellent multithreaded performance and efficiency.
@@georgioszampoukis1966 yeah and everything Windows on ARM related is better than Mac OS regarding compatibility.... more games work on Qualcomm than on Mac, more of my professional apps work too, and that's all within the first few months
Meh... it's apples to oranges right now. The Snapdragon products are for a more narrow segment of consumers whereas Lunar Lake is the more appropriate choice for most. That may change in the future, but I'd be really careful about spending that much money if the product doesn't meet your needs today.
Both chips are looking fantastic. I am seeing some VERY deep discounts on X Elite laptops at Best Buy from time to time (like the Slim 7x for $800) that have won me over. Saving $600 over the Lunar Lake competitors was a good trade off for the app compatibility.
x86 is the gold standard when it comes to windows and these ARM based ones are just made to rival apple aiming at disrupting their market but its on course of getting backfired sooner than expected !!!
Never seen completely fair comparison like this. Then which one's better? Depends on the usage... One is faster but has compatibility issue with x86 based app, while the other is fully capable to any apps but slower in multi core. In terms of best chip in 2024, upcoming M4 chips will beat all recent laptop chips, so don't worry, This kind of comparison is only for Windows sector. We'll see the best laptop in the world as soon as Apple release M4 MBP, unless if you're gamer, Windows lover or has to be affordable.
Yet they'll still only sell a fraction of the units dell, hp or lenovo sell even at the same price point. As long as they keep offering 8GB ram 256GB ssd in their base models and charging $400 to upgrade or they keep making macos so closed and restrictive, their sales will not grow no matter how good their laptop chips are.
let's wait and see how arm laptops go (software wise and also the new rumored nvidia/mediatek chips coming out in 2025) , but for now, Lunar lake is my go to chip
I'd rather take the Dell XPS 13 Lunar Lake because it has full X86 software compatibility and Thunderbolt 4 ports (guaranteed floor of 32 Gbps data transfer speed). In all fairness, the Snapdragon X Elite destroys it in multi-core CPU performance by over 30%. If someone wants to stay with general web browsing and limited work apps (please double check), then this might be the better long-term option. Apps and software that work: Python, C#, Visual Studio IDE, Visual Studio code, Office 365 apps, Power BI, Azure Cloud, Brave browser, and Edge browser.
pNot going to lie, watching this on my Snapdragon X Plus surface Pro and kind of worried. I think Lunar lake took the win here personally but still happy with what I’ve got. I hope ARM on windows continues to take off and maybe can coexist with X84. For my use case the X Plus and X Elite chips are real good I think Skype is the only app not running native. Thanks for the content 👍🏾
i own a MacBook Pro m3 Pro 16 inch and a Surface Pro 11 with a Snapdragon. All i need is efficiency and more important battery life. Heavier work i push to my MacBook, but a lot of these chips with windows have truly improved with power and efficiency. And battery life obviously is amazing
So..... A 12 core Snapdragon processor versus an 8 core Intel processor? And then the difference between Intel's 4 efficiency cores and 4 performance cores versus 12 performance cores in Snapdragon? These chips are so different why are they even being compared? Also a 3% difference in battery remaining at the end of your test is not notable at all why are you making a big deal about it?
Bro no dell did not do a good job on the xps, the lack of physical function keys kills it for me and no physical escape key is pretty much a no go for the field I work in, they could have kept the physical esc and function keys and put a fancy Haptic Touch Bar above I guess but not this
My Macbook Air M1 scores ST: 109 and MT: 390 in Cinebench R24. Passive cooling and 4y old... Nice to see competition catch up after 4 years and with active cooling. 😀😀
Would be great to have “geek” section at the end of the videos where you install Linux distribution and run Phoronix set of tests. If I want this machine for work not for mindless games - that content pretty much does not exist.
Im looking for more 14inch amd xh 370 laptops review. Max tech could you add to your review how laptops behave with 2 external monitors 4k plus 1080p ? No one doing that but I think it could be interesting to benchmark laptops with external monitors and how performance drop due to higher resolutions (combining displays). Best regards.
You should run what people run on these machines, as they are light and small laptops. And who renders on the CPU? Use GPU rendering for a real world test.
your review style misinforms the viewer in different directions, it is marginal in all areas and yet over excited in small minuscule gains, this over hypes a product.
The X Elite is still DOA!!! They haven’t fixed or even attempted to address systemic printer driver issues! It’s completely worthless to connect to peripherals!
every printer i've used in the last 10 years has wifi or ethernet support and you can print fine with Windows on ARM (and this issue is the same issue with Chromebooks)
The support is just for the sake of time as more people buy into arm, the devs are going. To support it which will make it a better value proposition for the future models. Right now, it doesn’t look good for it for sure
I’m still begging someone to do a comparison of Windows running in Parallels on an M3 Pro MacBook Pro allocated similar specs to a Snapdragon Windows laptop. So a MacBook Pro M3 Pro with 32 GB of RAM, 16 dedicated to Windows. A Snapdragon Arm laptop with 16 gigs of RAM. And dedicate the same number of cores in the CPU and GPU or as close as possible.
Couldn’t agree more. Somehow on the Windows side, I don’t know why, the more thin and compact the laptop is, the prices are over inflated even though the performance levels are absolute trash, so much so that these are not suitable for anything other than TH-cam, Word/Powerpoint and some basic applications.
@@PKperformanceEU Agreed, but it's unfair to compare retail price to second-hand price. Last month I was hoping to get a MBP M2 Pro and the cheapest I could find was about $1500, whereas you can easily find laptops with Snapdragon X Elite for as low as $800. Let's also remember the M2 Pro is almost 2 years old (and it was $2k at release), whereas the Core Ultra 7 256V was released like over a week ago. One year from now the 256V will be way cheaper.
@@seamusforever7081 so what? M2pro 12/19 is literally 90w HX370 lvl and GPU wise 100w 4060m. It is fair comparison when apple’s outdated chips are better than everyone elses current chips.
My Acer i7-12650H has about the same CPU performance. xD Who need 24 hours battery life anyway, thats really niche use case.. If you bought it good job spending 3x more money for the same performance essentially.
tbh, both are flawed. qualcomm still has a LONG way to go in terms of app compatibility, so the fact that the battery life is 10-20-30% better than an x86 comparable laptop is...just a tiny tiny edge case. lunar lake on the other hand, is very handicaped in multicore, i don't even understand why they targeted such a low performance for the multicore and frankly too slow for a 2024/2025 offering in my opinion. i would actually have the hx 370 instead from amd. 100% app compatibility. 80-90% of the qualcomm's battery.
I returned one of these a year ago because it got crazy hot on the surface. Needless to say about the underneath. I wonder if it has improved since then.
Woah!!! You need to tell people that Snapdragon just cancelled their developer kit for the X Elite! This was already *six months* late and they pulled it *2 days* after it had finally gone out. This is a HUGE DEAL as it is a massive setback for Windows on ARM development by third party developers that are supposed to be developing their applications & games etc to make the X Elite able to run more of them. This pushes that availability back by many many months - well into next year in many cases. This means all these launch Snapdragon laptops are lame ducks and not really worth buying. Get a Lunar Lake laptop instead and enjoy similar extended battery life without any compatibility issues. Snapdragon have really blown the launch. It will be next year and the next generation of X Elite CPUs before this situation will likely improve. You guys should make a new video to address this - people are going to be pissed after all the Snapdragon hype. Anyone that bought a Snapdragon laptop at those inflated launch prices has got badly burned.
@@AyoHues did you watch any of the reviews of the Microsoft surface laptop that showed it is amazing? How about the tech chaps video comparison of all the latest laptops? 🤔
This is all false. The point of the dev kit is to give devs something to test on before consumer stuff comes out. Now that snapdragon laptops are readily available the dev kit has no purpose. It does NOT mean developers can’t make ARM apps anymore.
@@Garrus-w2h that’s not my point. Snapdragon launched all the X Elite Co-Pilot laptops showing logos of apps and games that it said were being developed for Windows on ARM and that has been proven to have been untrue to a great extent. The laptops themselves have many strong points - I seriously considered buying a Surface myself. But as every reviewer has pointed out, their major limitation currently is the non-availability of enough compatible software. What is becoming apparent is that 3rd party developers are like 6-9mths behind where they should be and support from Snapdragon and Microsoft has simply not been forthcoming. This means laptop owners won’t see many of these games and applications until later next year which means they are much less desirable now. So anyone in the market should get an x86 laptop instead or wait a year and see how the compatibility situation improves. Either way, expect these launch laptops to be heavily discounted in the next few months.
Waiting for 2nd half of 2025 to see AMD NVIDIA Snapdragon x elite gen2 chips supporting ray tracing directx 12 Feature Level 12_2 having more than 6 TFLOPS with custom gpu like Apple M series. Hope meanwhile ARM issues are addressed and compatibility , improved suuport
As apple's losing its awe factors its not long before they go back to how they used be during their intel days where no one other than apple users buying mac !!!
I seriously had no idea it couldn’t play League of Legends. That’s my go to game since it’s quick to install and very fun. Also easy to run on portable laptops.
@@MaxTechOfficial Then seriously ask yourself, after all those years working in the IT Industry, why you didn‘t look at specs of the game in the first place. You can’t be so superficial, can you?
In this video the snapdragon laptop was 90% faster. It had longer battery life and it even won at 3-D Mark wildlife. I bought the Microsoft surface laptop with snapdragon and it is by far the best Windows laptop I’ve ever bought. It was also way cheaper than any lunar lake laptop. I upgraded the storage for cheap too.
These don't translate much in real-time use, and even if one is slower than its counterpart, it's lots better than not having apps support for most of our use cases!
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Apple'd become more of how it used to be during its intel days as these x86 chips'd keep getting better in terms on battery life which used to be the one thing that was a game changer during the time of m1's launch !!! Now with x86 able to match that then there's isnt any necessity for non apple user to make the switch !!
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Compatibility outweighs the extra performance by far though
Eventually apps will be compatible, in 2025 we will have a rain of ARM chips in laptops and the apps that are left out will be replaced over time...
@@iagomorandi6543 but a lot of apps will still not get updated and games :(
@@iagomorandi6543 for now I can't accept eventually. I want it to support now, if it is not, then it's useless for me.
@@iagomorandi6543 Qualcomm cancelled snapdragon dev kits
@@iagomorandi6543we will never have, snapdragon is backing off after the sales cut off
Yeah, the no compatibility issue is a greater pro than twenty minutes more of battery life.
Major benefit of Lunar Lake is Linux compatibility. That's what matters to me. Eventually that may change but it's still going to require custom boot loaders and what not.
Oh, I forgot about the Linux distro options. Even greater win for Intel Lunar Lake.
You can build a Linux tunnel in Source forge Repo and create your own OS image, but Luna Lake is already done.
i don't know how the battery life would be like on linux for lunar lake, technically linux supported arm for ages now, when the kernel will totally support the snapdragon chips, it will shine more than windows on arm i hope
So basically Intel's new gen just made Snapdragon irrelevant. A boost to multicore in arm optimized workloads isn't worth the lack of compatability. Identical real world performance and battery usage = Win for Intel.
You missed one important difference, Lunar lake laptop support 99.9% more games and software than the x elite .
you missed one important part of the video, see 8:43
just for now, until Steam is working to create a steam deck with ARM
Until Nvidia starts making CPUs with Mediteck 🗿
How unfortunate that we valuable high quality guys dont give a shit about gaming. Take the L x86 and get a real pc thats ARM64 based
That’s completely false. Snapdragon laptops are amazing. As far as the GPU is concerned 75% of games work fine and as far as the CPU almost 99% of everything works perfectly.
Does anyone see the obvious fact that all these chips are now manufactured by TSMC ….M4….Elite…Lunar Lake and AMD’s chips…and they all perform about the same …just different designs 🤔
Have you noticed that Apple has destroyed the competition?
@@maxweinbach3996its not as big of a lead as y'all make it seem.
@@kjellbeatsIt's pretty big a M1 from 2021 still beats a 2024 Lunar Lake
It's not a matter of performance, it's a matter of efficiency and performance per watt which Apple has all the competition beat.
@@jonathanng138I will agree with that, lunar lake sucks and Intel needs to stop lying and gaslighting us to try and make us believe x86 has caught up anywhere close to arm in performance to efficiency because every time they fail and I just laugh at people who actually believe Intel claims at this point, when they screw us over and over again yet people still trust them
Nothing about video editing and Lightroom exporting, almost the only things which matter to me 🙃
Agreed bruh
I can almost guarantee that Lunar Lake will be faster. Video editing can take advantage of the iGPU on the Intel laptop. The iGPU on the Qualcomm laptop is much inferior.
@@LouisDuran What I actually think too but I would like to see it in a real comparison 😊
From other reviews, Intel Lunar Lake does well in photo editing work. 2nd best to MacBooks.
Idk for reviewers but for consumers it's a long term investment. So compatibility is a major factor. Not only games but in x elite many apps are incompatible.
No video editing test? No data transfer speed no lightroom test no photoshop test?
The funny thing about multicore performance on a machine that has 12 cores, unless you were specifically using the CPU to do 3-D rendering *without a GPU* (which you would probably never do professionally) there’s very few cases where you’re going to spin up 12 cores.
They canceled the snapdragon dev kit…so I would be Leary about future compatibility with software on windows on ARM….
@@SuperMachead1 Snapdragon desktop chip comming soon
@@inamulbhuyan what’s the difference between the desktop and the laptop ?…and why is that relevant?
Devkit is not needed anymore since there are plenty of options from other OEMs.
They will just release mini PC with OEMs
You can use any retail unit as a dev kit
The battery is inaccurate, you restarted one PC and played League of Legends on the other. Woh and behold, the one you played league of legends on has a lower battery than the one that had a second of rest.
Wrong. He didn't play the game on the ultra model it was just sitting idle.
That’s actually misleading. Way beforehand, he had run multicore Cinebench tests, after which the X Elite Laptop had 72% and Lunar lake Laptop started to trail with 70% battery life. He literally restarted once (which literally takes less than 2 seconds for modern laptops, and has minimal to influence on battery life tests). He never played LoL on the Lunar Lake. And literally the Lunar Lake only trailed by around 3% (even if you want to factor in the restart) it would theoretically trail by 2% in the end…
Rebooting a device actually takes even more energy than any other workloads…
This comparison is unnecessary since snapdragon can't handle loads of applications and games.
I'm excited for the xps 14 with lunar lake, the larger chassis should allow for better thermal headroom and longer battery life.
Plus, Dell XPS 14 has the Nvidia RTX 4060 GPU to cover GPU intensive work and some gaming on the side. The CPU side should preserve the battery longer.
In my opinion, people are being way too harsh on Qualcomm mainly because of the new GPU. As shown in this video, the snapdragon CPU is about 90% faster than the lunar Lake one in multi thread apps that are native to arm. And it’s cheaper too. I think they beat expectations for performance with their first CPU.
yeah even apple m series had some issues, sure they could resolve them faster but still people were not as harsh to them. Its mostly cause rn Qualcomm is against windows people and apple people. Supporters of X86 and M series
Exactly
It is not about being harsh, but being realistic. Yes, the snapdragon chip is very good, but, 1) you rely on windows to make the OS performant on ARM, 2) you rely on every developer to port their applications to Windows on ARM and 3) you expect a windows platform to have great gaming selection and support. These are huge conditions that are most likely not going to happen, at least not any time soon. Lunar Lake combines efficiency with x86 support, and for those who don't care about gaming, macOS is a beast productivity platform. This combination makes Snapdragon and windows on ARM almost completely irrelevant. Having said that, Snapdragon could definitely focus on making ARM based Servers & Datacenters though, given their excellent multithreaded performance and efficiency.
@@georgioszampoukis1966 yeah and everything Windows on ARM related is better than Mac OS regarding compatibility.... more games work on Qualcomm than on Mac, more of my professional apps work too, and that's all within the first few months
@@georgioszampoukis1966 I had an M1 Macbook Air on launch and it was WAY worse than Windows on ARM
Meh... it's apples to oranges right now. The Snapdragon products are for a more narrow segment of consumers whereas Lunar Lake is the more appropriate choice for most. That may change in the future, but I'd be really careful about spending that much money if the product doesn't meet your needs today.
Was waiting for someone to compare these two, thank you :)
For me both showed similar performance. Battery is definitely speaks for xelite but until snapdragon works on linux I ain't buying that.
I've been scrolling for days. Waiting for a comparison!! Finally i found u. Can u plz do more indepth such as macbook 3 vs lunar
Yes we already did M3 MacBook vs Lunar Lake
Both chips are looking fantastic. I am seeing some VERY deep discounts on X Elite laptops at Best Buy from time to time (like the Slim 7x for $800) that have won me over. Saving $600 over the Lunar Lake competitors was a good trade off for the app compatibility.
x86 is the gold standard when it comes to windows and these ARM based ones are just made to rival apple aiming at disrupting their market but its on course of getting backfired sooner than expected !!!
Never seen completely fair comparison like this. Then which one's better? Depends on the usage... One is faster but has compatibility issue with x86 based app, while the other is fully capable to any apps but slower in multi core.
In terms of best chip in 2024, upcoming M4 chips will beat all recent laptop chips, so don't worry, This kind of comparison is only for Windows sector. We'll see the best laptop in the world as soon as Apple release M4 MBP, unless if you're gamer, Windows lover or has to be affordable.
Yet they'll still only sell a fraction of the units dell, hp or lenovo sell even at the same price point. As long as they keep offering 8GB ram 256GB ssd in their base models and charging $400 to upgrade or they keep making macos so closed and restrictive, their sales will not grow no matter how good their laptop chips are.
let's wait and see how arm laptops go (software wise and also the new rumored nvidia/mediatek chips coming out in 2025) , but for now, Lunar lake is my go to chip
I'd rather take the Dell XPS 13 Lunar Lake because it has full X86 software compatibility and Thunderbolt 4 ports (guaranteed floor of 32 Gbps data transfer speed).
In all fairness, the Snapdragon X Elite destroys it in multi-core CPU performance by over 30%. If someone wants to stay with general web browsing and limited work apps (please double check), then this might be the better long-term option. Apps and software that work: Python, C#, Visual Studio IDE, Visual Studio code, Office 365 apps, Power BI, Azure Cloud, Brave browser, and Edge browser.
I'm not particularly impressed by the "X Elite".
pNot going to lie, watching this on my Snapdragon X Plus surface Pro and kind of worried. I think Lunar lake took the win here personally but still happy with what I’ve got. I hope ARM on windows continues to take off and maybe can coexist with X84. For my use case the X Plus and X Elite chips are real good I think Skype is the only app not running native.
Thanks for the content 👍🏾
The XPS 13 has gone from a really low power hot ultra book to this serious MacBook Pro competitor, love to see it.
Apple has destroyed the competition
@@maxweinbach3996 not everyone wants to use an Apple laptop.
@@robfrost3789 Apple has made a fool out of everybody
Can you compare webcam also ? I want to see the ISP of these SoC's…
i own a MacBook Pro m3 Pro 16 inch and a Surface Pro 11 with a Snapdragon. All i need is efficiency and more important battery life. Heavier work i push to my MacBook, but a lot of these chips with windows have truly improved with power and efficiency. And battery life obviously is amazing
I like the renewed emphasis on Windows machines on the channel. It was tooooooo much Apple for an extended period of time. Keep it up.
With the malicious acts by Msoft, I'd like to see some Linux, too. I see some people moving to Linux in this period, for good reasons.
So..... A 12 core Snapdragon processor versus an 8 core Intel processor? And then the difference between Intel's 4 efficiency cores and 4 performance cores versus 12 performance cores in Snapdragon? These chips are so different why are they even being compared? Also a 3% difference in battery remaining at the end of your test is not notable at all why are you making a big deal about it?
They are being tested because they are the latest and best offerings from each company currently in the current.
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500 designs 😂
Bro no dell did not do a good job on the xps, the lack of physical function keys kills it for me and no physical escape key is pretty much a no go for the field I work in, they could have kept the physical esc and function keys and put a fancy Haptic Touch Bar above I guess but not this
Finally some non-Apple content. Thanks!
My Macbook Air M1 scores ST: 109 and MT: 390 in Cinebench R24. Passive cooling and 4y old... Nice to see competition catch up after 4 years and with active cooling. 😀😀
that's good for consumers right?
Blud that x elite destroys your little macbook toy.
Would be great to have “geek” section at the end of the videos where you install Linux distribution and run Phoronix set of tests. If I want this machine for work not for mindless games - that content pretty much does not exist.
9:32 Should be bc of anticheat. Anticheat is not yet supported on ARM PC chips.
(5:15) Bro playing War Thunder! Love that Game!
Im looking for more 14inch amd xh 370 laptops review. Max tech could you add to your review how laptops behave with 2 external monitors 4k plus 1080p ? No one doing that but I think it could be interesting to benchmark laptops with external monitors and how performance drop due to higher resolutions (combining displays). Best regards.
Kindly compel your game vendors to have excellent support for ARM64.
Some 5% difference in battery life in exchange for tons of compatibility issues? Nope, sorry, Snapdragon, not this time.
You should run what people run on these machines, as they are light and small laptops. And who renders on the CPU? Use GPU rendering for a real world test.
The whole "ARM is better because x, y, z ..." thing is over.
if I change to a new pc, I'll choose intel because of software compatibility.
your review style misinforms the viewer in different directions, it is marginal in all areas and yet over excited in small minuscule gains, this over hypes a product.
I just love this channel
The X Elite is still DOA!!! They haven’t fixed or even attempted to address systemic printer driver issues! It’s completely worthless to connect to peripherals!
every printer i've used in the last 10 years has wifi or ethernet support and you can print fine with Windows on ARM (and this issue is the same issue with Chromebooks)
@@Garrus-w2hthat’s a flat out lie. You’re lying.
I'd just take a macbook if I don't need x86 compatibility and don't play games. Windows ARM is almost pointless imho
League of legends was the deal breaker. Lunar Lake is the one to get! 💯💯💯
if you're a gamer get an RTX 4050 laptop, not Lunar Lake
Why there was no coding, photo and video editing benchmark ?
cuz in snapdragon theres a possiblity of not being able to do those due lack of software support for ARM !!!
@@sameersheriff7078 supoorts Davinci resolve
if u want coding wathc Alex Ziskind he did a battery test with all laptops (althoughnot the newer lunar lake
)
Well all the Toshiba 2323 am series printers only have x86 drivers. Tested them using windows on arm, nope, don't work.
The support is just for the sake of time as more people buy into arm, the devs are going. To support it which will make it a better value proposition for the future models. Right now, it doesn’t look good for it for sure
Excellent video apart from the audio level of the host. Very loud. Had to lower volume immediately.
I was waiting for this 🔥🔥
Intel has done a great job 👍 it can run any game I would choose Intel any day
I’m still begging someone to do a comparison of Windows running in Parallels on an M3 Pro MacBook Pro allocated similar specs to a Snapdragon Windows laptop. So a MacBook Pro M3 Pro with 32 GB of RAM, 16 dedicated to Windows. A Snapdragon Arm laptop with 16 gigs of RAM. And dedicate the same number of cores in the CPU and GPU or as close as possible.
please do also FL studio tests for Windows laptops
Lunar Lake wins
But the Lunar Lake is 3nm isn't it?! Guess X86 is still inferior to arm in terms of IPC and efficiency.
doesnt matter tho !!! willing to take those trade offs rather than stuck without app support !!!
The xelite was 2 years late due to delays…so to sell at the same price…is a bad bad strategy
Both trash. The prices is insane for this low level of performance
absolutely. Cost as much as a 2nd hand 14 inch m2pro. While being inferior garbage in every possible way
Couldn’t agree more. Somehow on the Windows side, I don’t know why, the more thin and compact the laptop is, the prices are over inflated even though the performance levels are absolute trash, so much so that these are not suitable for anything other than TH-cam, Word/Powerpoint and some basic applications.
Apple has destroyed the competition
@@PKperformanceEU Agreed, but it's unfair to compare retail price to second-hand price. Last month I was hoping to get a MBP M2 Pro and the cheapest I could find was about $1500, whereas you can easily find laptops with Snapdragon X Elite for as low as $800. Let's also remember the M2 Pro is almost 2 years old (and it was $2k at release), whereas the Core Ultra 7 256V was released like over a week ago. One year from now the 256V will be way cheaper.
@@seamusforever7081 so what? M2pro 12/19 is literally 90w HX370 lvl and GPU wise 100w 4060m.
It is fair comparison when apple’s outdated chips are better than everyone elses current chips.
My Acer i7-12650H has about the same CPU performance. xD Who need 24 hours battery life anyway, thats really niche use case.. If you bought it good job spending 3x more money for the same performance essentially.
tbh, both are flawed.
qualcomm still has a LONG way to go in terms of app compatibility, so the fact that the battery life is 10-20-30% better than an x86 comparable laptop is...just a tiny tiny edge case.
lunar lake on the other hand, is very handicaped in multicore, i don't even understand why they targeted such a low performance for the multicore and frankly too slow for a 2024/2025 offering in my opinion.
i would actually have the hx 370 instead from amd.
100% app compatibility.
80-90% of the qualcomm's battery.
Hope mac air gets 120 hz pro motion display too
What kind of iphone case are you using?
Hey you are using 256V. 288V is faster.
Not looking good for intel considering that lunar lake is 3nm
I returned one of these a year ago because it got crazy hot on the surface. Needless to say about the underneath. I wonder if it has improved since then.
Lunar lake is absolutely different Intel chip, its uses TSMC 3nm just like Apple M3, runs ultra cool with insane battery life.
Snapdragon x elite ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Woah!!! You need to tell people that Snapdragon just cancelled their developer kit for the X Elite! This was already *six months* late and they pulled it *2 days* after it had finally gone out. This is a HUGE DEAL as it is a massive setback for Windows on ARM development by third party developers that are supposed to be developing their applications & games etc to make the X Elite able to run more of them. This pushes that availability back by many many months - well into next year in many cases.
This means all these launch Snapdragon laptops are lame ducks and not really worth buying. Get a Lunar Lake laptop instead and enjoy similar extended battery life without any compatibility issues. Snapdragon have really blown the launch. It will be next year and the next generation of X Elite CPUs before this situation will likely improve.
You guys should make a new video to address this - people are going to be pissed after all the Snapdragon hype. Anyone that bought a Snapdragon laptop at those inflated launch prices has got badly burned.
Everything you said is false. Man TH-cam is tiring.
@@Garrus-w2h Did you watch Jeff Geerling’s Dev Kit review yet? 😏
@@AyoHues did you watch any of the reviews of the Microsoft surface laptop that showed it is amazing? How about the tech chaps video comparison of all the latest laptops? 🤔
This is all false. The point of the dev kit is to give devs something to test on before consumer stuff comes out. Now that snapdragon laptops are readily available the dev kit has no purpose. It does NOT mean developers can’t make ARM apps anymore.
@@Garrus-w2h that’s not my point. Snapdragon launched all the X Elite Co-Pilot laptops showing logos of apps and games that it said were being developed for Windows on ARM and that has been proven to have been untrue to a great extent. The laptops themselves have many strong points - I seriously considered buying a Surface myself. But as every reviewer has pointed out, their major limitation currently is the non-availability of enough compatible software. What is becoming apparent is that 3rd party developers are like 6-9mths behind where they should be and support from Snapdragon and Microsoft has simply not been forthcoming. This means laptop owners won’t see many of these games and applications until later next year which means they are much less desirable now. So anyone in the market should get an x86 laptop instead or wait a year and see how the compatibility situation improves. Either way, expect these launch laptops to be heavily discounted in the next few months.
Very random, but I can't get Steel Nomad to work on any laptop with a discreet GPU. It always errors out when it loads. Weird.
Waiting for 2nd half of 2025 to see AMD NVIDIA Snapdragon x elite gen2 chips supporting ray tracing directx 12 Feature Level 12_2 having more than 6 TFLOPS with custom gpu like Apple M series. Hope meanwhile ARM issues are addressed and compatibility , improved suuport
As apple's losing its awe factors its not long before they go back to how they used be during their intel days where no one other than apple users buying mac !!!
x86 is dying, still slower than my mbp m1 in speedometer 3.0 lol
speedometer doesnt really mean anything - yk right ???
I am so disappointed of you choosing a game wich is not compatible to ARM. How much does Intel pays you ?
I seriously had no idea it couldn’t play League of Legends. That’s my go to game since it’s quick to install and very fun. Also easy to run on portable laptops.
@@MaxTechOfficial Then seriously ask yourself, after all those years working in the IT Industry, why you didn‘t look at specs of the game in the first place. You can’t be so superficial, can you?
@@yorkan213swd6 even macOS supports League of Legends for many years now, I assumed everything could play it. I don’t play games very often anymore.
X86 chip what a come back
In this video the snapdragon laptop was 90% faster. It had longer battery life and it even won at 3-D Mark wildlife. I bought the Microsoft surface laptop with snapdragon and it is by far the best Windows laptop I’ve ever bought. It was also way cheaper than any lunar lake laptop. I upgraded the storage for cheap too.
@@Garrus-w2h good luck for gaming .
@@roshanlalverma340 people talked about gaming with the old Intel chips and they were always too slow to actually play any games at all
These don't translate much in real-time use, and even if one is slower than its counterpart, it's lots better than not having apps support for most of our use cases!
@@roshanlalverma340 I’d say I can actually play more games on the snapdragon laptop then I could on my old Windows laptop
intel just like nasa guys,
XPs 13 sucks. Keyboard without real function buttons. I have one and I try not to use as much as possible. Keyboard sucks too in general
nope. both are dead. m4 macs will take over
and intel will die like the blackerry died
You can't even get a 16gb variant without paying a premium in macs. I would say no it won't .
Apple has destroyed the competition
@@arunkumar.k3406 not anymore the m4 macbook pro leaked has a base 16gb ram
@@maxweinbach3996 true
Apple is watching like oh give me till October 29th.
Snapdragon x elite Win ❤
Intel x86 now outdated architecture 💩
Absolutely 200% right, x86 is crap and i wont go into the technical stuff for some ignorant youtube commenters, LONG LIVE ARM64!
Intel and AMD maybe survive, BUT NEW ARM V9.2a APPLE M4 Series will hit harder than M3 Series already did.
So x86 fanboys and winsheeps prepare for the APL SILICON NUKE👑 Cause its coming💥
😂x86 L
Apple'd become more of how it used to be during its intel days as these x86 chips'd keep getting better in terms on battery life which used to be the one thing that was a game changer during the time of m1's launch !!! Now with x86 able to match that then there's isnt any necessity for non apple user to make the switch !!
first one to comment love from India
but no luv for apple in india cuz of high tax rate !!