You can intend to NOT be charming with your behaviour and the way you speak, which in itself can be considered flirting if you're not careful, being nice in a wrong situation can be misinterpreted as just.. flirting. So again, what is the difference? :/
@@adloltery perhaps the difference is whether or not the interaction increases the tension or lowers it? Flirty behaviour increases the tension and charming behaviour lowers it? Like whenever you flirt there is always that sexual or emotional underlying context. If you simply appear charming then even if topic of discussion is sexual in nature there is no potential in it to be interpreted as such. At least i think so.
@@adloltery no you can't, you would have to force yourself to NOT be charming which would feel fake and uncomfortable, so the difference is flirting is ON PURPOSE while being charming is just a character trait
I personally would say that being charming is being confident, kind and funny while in friendly manner. Whereas flirtatious behaviour is very similar but instead of being funny there is more sexual tenious created within the convosation. It's playful and requited within both parties that creates attraction. When you flirt you are showing that you are intrested sexual, whereas charm is just being caring. In my opinion, the best thing to do in the "friendzone" is to put you attention somewhere else, start speaking to other women and focusing on yourself. When you self-develop, put energy and prioritize yourself you will naturally glow because you believe that you are the "prize" and you have a lot to offer. Charisma does bring you a long way, but when you add some fliratious behaviour that is when someone will understand that you like them. :)
Dr K having his wife on has been so valuable. I used to be what I would describe as a misogynist (a word i dont toss around lightly in todays culture) but she's genuinely helped me recognize that women can be just as thoughtful, and arent only after big material gain when they talk to us. Keep it up Dr K, and keep up the clips owner of this channel! We're all gonna sculpt ourselves into great humans with this content. 💖
Neapolitan it sounds simple on paper but some dude literally do grow up without meaningful connection to women their whole lives. Don’t trivialize that concept. There’s a reason it’s easy to dehumanize people you never meet.
@@saloonboone Interesting! I was somewhat the opposite, being raised entirely by my mother and had to watch her do some real shady things. My young sponge-like brain interpreted that as "oh okay, so women are just shady". It also didn't help that being a fat nerd growing up, there weren't a lot of women around willing to talk. Fortunately though in getting into the real world I've been able to have more encounters with them, and through a number of online videos explaining their points of view I've been able to move away from that toxic mindset. Good on you for being able to form relationships with them now, keep up the good work bud!
@@xDDufiosy Thank you for this, though I can also understand what Neapolitan is thinking (to an extent). Often we forget that the ways we were raised is not at all the way other people were raised; my best example of this would be people growing up in well-off families not being able to fathom that people in the inner-city would resort to crime, despite the apparent lack of education available to them, which would just breed even worse role models. Always nice to see someone willing to take a step back and understand though, thank you!
"You make sacrifices for the people that deserve your sacrifice." Holy shit. That's an epiphany for me that I need to think about. I spend all day making small sacrifices to ensure other people are comfortable and not inconvenienced. I've never even thought about it.
I know i that i always try to make everyone comfortable but I don’t know how i am sacrificing for them.. i would like to stop doing so when i know exactly how
@@toushiri9476 I guess it would be a sacrifice if you are giving up something to help them. If you are doing it willingly, and it doesnt cost you, and they would do similar stuff for you, that's normal.
LMAO when mrs k said "Don't, don't clear the air, it's only going to get worse" DAMNNNNNN that shit was fire lmao. I know that feeling of seeing a fuckup accelerating fast towards someone and wanting to say "bro, don't."
Dr K needs to do a stream about the connection between the mind and the gut, rather, the vagus nerve. I could be wrong but I don’t think I’ve seen You address this. It could be very beneficial given how many of the people who watch probably aren’t on the best diets, I know gamers and twitch streamers definitely eat like crap and don’t really think about it.
Pushing through it was the way to go in my experience. I remember in highschool I met a classmate and she was really my first friend that was a girl. So I interpreted it as more and asked her out because I thought I had to. She said no, but we still talked every class even though I was embarrassed. About half a year later I told her what my thought process was when I asked her out and how I completely misread the situation and we just laughed about it. 5 years later and she is one of my best friends. It's great
I'm a socially anxious girl and can't handle even being near most guys because it turns me into a nervous wreck and my tongue gets tied and guys are very weirded out by that. Its strange because for me to get comfortable around a guy, I need to befriend him first. But the key is, he has to show initial interest before me, otherwise I stay a nervous wreck. This is why I struggle to befriend guys irl but more so especially after being cuffed. I can't speak to my bf's roommates without sweating. I think they think I hate them or something, but I don't, I just get overly nervous. Through text, I dont have that problem, and so I can freely be myself. Even being able to engage in some "harmless flirting". So I feel maybe i come across more confident online than in person. It tricks a lot of guys out so I try to avoid meeting them irl. In person though, if I did befriend a guy, and he said he liked me but I didn't like him, I would hope he knew me well enough to approach me first if he ever wanted to talk about it further. I tend to treat every friend the same and his confession wouldnt change that. I definitely don't harmless flirt irl unless its like a deep friendship, which I've never had with a guy anyway except since elementary.
Perhaps this is rooted in a skewed perception of men? I can relate to this, and for me I used to get nervous around them because I would perceive them as sort of out of my league, smarter than me, funnier, etc so I often let them do the talking at first and I'd simply avoid them every chance I could get. But I've come to realize this perception is a combination of my own insecurities I feel towards myself as well as holding a skewed, idealized version of how men generally are in comparison to me. Men are humans with as many flaws and quirks as anybody else. How we come to hold this mindset varies obviously but dig deep and ask yourself where these engrained perceptions come from. Reframing your distorted perspective and rerouting your inner self talk is how you change this behavior
@@sativadva It's interesting for me to hear this because as a guy this is exactly how it works for us as well. I wonder how often people miss out because they are too scared to take a chance..
the problem is men get flirted with so very seldom outside of the dating dynamic, even if it's meant to be harmless, a lot of men don't have that differentiation between flirting for fun and flirting with intent. It's not inherently anyone's fault, just a sad result of the way a lot of men grow up in north america
Being in the "friendzone" and a girl just not being attracted to you are different things ( although not mutually exclusive of course). If a girl" just wants to be friends", she's probably just not attracted to you , period, end of conversation. Accept that she's not the one for you and move on immediately. IF she was actually attracted to you but you waited too long and it turned into a friend situation, then learn from it and MOVE ON , because the day she finds someone else is the day your friendship ends. That being said I think there are some relationships that can burgeon from a longterm friendship situation but do NOT wait around in hopes that it someday will. Move on . Try again.
The difference is the goal imo. Being charming has no goal, its intrinsic to the person, a characteristic, while flirting IS goal oriented (a verb boi). myb a bout the choice - u cant choose to be charming (but you can develop it i guess) but u do choose to flirt towards a person.
Any tips on how i should get over the stress of telling the girl i like sad part is that summer break is in 1 week and i have no clue what school she is going to. Update: i asked her for her number andshe did not even hesitate to give me her number and we have been talking a little bit its been fun
Redrebel what happens if your chance is gone? Will you never have another chance with another person ever again? (Again serious question and thx for the first response 😁)
Redrebel that’s a fair response. Why is this person that important to you? Why does she stick to your mind unlike other girls? What’s kept you from telling her?
That ending was so nice. You two are so respectful of each other. I can imagine some women would react negatively to her husband hypothesising over flirting with a 70yr old nurse. Ps. My perspective on it being different is the fact that likely both parties are married and the age gap is so far apart, it can be easily understood to be highly unlikely that the flirting is going to go anywhere sexual. That's just my initial thought.
To me the difference would be: Charming is meant to make a person like you more as part of their social life. Flirting is something you do to non verbally communicate your sexual interest.
hearing the assumption that the girl is sad she can't flirt anymore was so surprising and different from my own experience that i physically recoiled hahah. and how do we know she was flirting in the first place? yet it seemed to resonate with ms. k. just shows you can't really assume what anyone's thinking just based on their gender, everyone's coming in with their own experiences.
I feel like he needs to cut the cord with that one because he's going to try and keep engaging that emotional layer of their friendship and eventually push her away. Stay friends but kinda disengage from that idea altogether. Count your losses and find someone else.
It's not friendzone. Friendzone is when you continuously try to force yourself into her intimate life by sacrificing your time and money on her, to no avail. Otherwise, if there's no mutual attraction, and people like hanging out with each other, it's called "friends".
I love hearing intellectual people discuss things. And what I love even more, is hearing them have differing opinions 😂 Hearing you two differ on the "what she's thinking" is very interesting. In my opinion, neither are wrong, but it's a hell of a debate as to figure it out. Love it!!!!
If flirtation is not harmless, and women/men flirt with others they don't really like (for sexual attention and validation, and for fun), then aren't people harming others like crazy today by leading them on?
Flirting is undergirded by intending for some sexual or romantic outcome, or giving the impression of intending for that; charming is just being very friendly.
Yeah I was like wtf is she talkin about and then i saw his eyes go wide. Im like damn so it aint just me she's sayin some wild shit and just exposed herself for enjoying stringing along her guy friends
Charming is occupying a place where one finds the charm in the minutias of life, thus, becoming charming. Flirting is a direct form of engagement where the initiator usually uses a lens where all perceptions become sexually charged. My take on it anyway :)
I think for once, she wanted you to get some wine (or whatever) for her Dr. K NotLikeThis You've programmed your brain to instantly look for absolute clarity in the person you are talking with. That, and there's the whole Indian culture thing you've adapted to.
I feel like Mrs. K's perspective on this is incredibly messed up So the girl is upset now that she can't play with the guys feelings anymore? She loved the idea of him having a crush on her but then it gets real and she slams on the brakes? She was just leading him on the entire time and poor her the guy she was leading on fell for her and now she's uncomfortable. Maybe don't play with peoples feelings for your own enjoyment I dunno
Guys and girls do this. She's was not playing with his feelings lmfao. She was enjoying her perception that someone else finds her desirable through harmless flirtation. Once it becomes a reality that he not only finds her desirable but wants to pursue something with her romantically her continuing to flirt without any intention of exploring what may exist past that makes it playing with his feelings. That's when it stops being harmless. If the guy is really crushing on her (without her knowing) and continues engaging in harmless flirtation that is completely on him. He has built his own expectation that something might come of it without engaging her in an honest conversation about whether or not that is possible. The girl cannot be responsible for that unless her initial flirtation wasn't harmless (ie gratuitous and likely sexual rather than just complementary and "fun").
I would tend to side towards you, because I tend to be "friendzoned" way too fast, like I feel girls don't even give the "let's see if..." chance to me and I know I would get my hopes up if I got positive feedback lmao, but considering what Mr K said about not following your social anxiety sense, I think she just has lacks that social anxiety. She can put her feelings first. It's not manipulative, it's not playing with the guy's feelings if the guy ended up liking her thus boosting her self esteem. If the guy's putting her over himself, then that's on him. he should see if he likes the relationship now that the possibility of going further on is cleared (or that he's going to have to wait) and if he can benefit from her then he should still hang out.
That's an interesting perspective, but you frame it as though she were doing some arcane and terrible thing. It's actually super normal to enjoy flirtation for the sake of flirtation. Definitely not universal, but extraordinarily common. Your idea about manipulating people and toying with their feelings is completely misplaced. The reason the girl would be aware that she can't flirt anymore is because now she knows it wouldn't be harmless. Plenty of people have relationships were both parties happily flirt with the other with the expectation of it going nowhere. Flirting isn't the same as trying to get someone to fall for you, although it most certainly can have that effect. Similarly, you can definitely flirt with someone while signaling that you don't want to be with them romantically. Admittedly that makes the signals a little harder to read hence situations like this even being possible, but that doesn't mean you can pin all the blame on the signaler.
@@simone8172 It happens quite often that flirting serves the purpose of generating attention and even resources. Its mostly girls who are guilty of that but I also knew a guy who did this with a girl. As long as there is plausible deniability (saying that flirtation is mostly without any social meaning as you imply) one can then exploit the other's weakness. If you are aware what flirtatation does to the other then simply apply the golden rule and walk away.
A girl put you in the friendzone? go find someone else to chase, you aren't worth the time for her, and if she changes her tune when she sees you chasing someone else...then you will know.
Not necessarily, the older I get the easier it is for me to be rejected and stick around as friends. Also for me it feels kinda creepy to just get rejected and bounce, it feels like I'm saying 'youre only worth being around if you want to date me' Your path is your own, but there are others.
I don't understand how women don't think it's morally wrong to flirt with men you don't like, when they keep preaching to men about the exact same thing. How can you be pissed about not being able to "harmlessly" flirt with men you don't like, as if you're entitled to that behavior?
Guys and girls do this mate. People are generally chill with flirting with friends when they find them attractive. Both my close friend and I flirt with our other close friend because she is evidentally more physically attractive - thicc. It is nice for her as she feels desired and I like flirting with her because it's a type of banter for me. My gay mate does this practically with every guy he's friends with. Idk if sexuality has anything to do with it but no matter the gender I do this with, guy or girl, it's purely harmless flirtation. So when you've previously made flirtatious interactions out to be purely flirtatious and for fun but then someone confesses to actually liking the other person, that turns the situation off for the other person. The banter is gone and so the person who was desired will no longer get to feel that way anymore. No one is feeling entitled, it's just something that you'll miss doing. No one is crying boohoo. And since the guy had previously reciprocated that flirtatious behaviour, mutually and passively agreeing to engage in the same way, that's all on the guy because the woman in this scenario can't read the guys mind. If he wanted something for a while and never said anything, he can't blame the woman for continuing to (in her eyes) harmlessly flirt when he put on this front that he hadn't had ulterior motives/feelings.
Let me help you. If you asked her out the end of the rope solution is there's no point to hang out with her since you have/had those feelings. If she was a friend that would be a different story. She cannot provide you anything you need and you will always have that "what if" feeling. Move on.
The difference between flirting and being charming is the intent.
You can intend to NOT be charming with your behaviour and the way you speak, which in itself can be considered flirting if you're not careful, being nice in a wrong situation can be misinterpreted as just.. flirting.
So again, what is the difference? :/
@@adloltery This will forever be known as Bobby's Flirt Paradox!
@@adloltery perhaps the difference is whether or not the interaction increases the tension or lowers it? Flirty behaviour increases the tension and charming behaviour lowers it? Like whenever you flirt there is always that sexual or emotional underlying context. If you simply appear charming then even if topic of discussion is sexual in nature there is no potential in it to be interpreted as such. At least i think so.
@@adloltery no you can't, you would have to force yourself to NOT be charming which would feel fake and uncomfortable, so the difference is flirting is ON PURPOSE while being charming is just a character trait
@@adloltery You're overthinking this.
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"Do not act based on what your social anxiety tell you" Thats a golden nugget of advice im gonna keep in my bag forever.
Well man the social anxiety could tell so many different things that at the same time contradict themselves
I personally would say that being charming is being confident, kind and funny while in friendly manner. Whereas flirtatious behaviour is very similar but instead of being funny there is more sexual tenious created within the convosation. It's playful and requited within both parties that creates attraction. When you flirt you are showing that you are intrested sexual, whereas charm is just being caring.
In my opinion, the best thing to do in the "friendzone" is to put you attention somewhere else, start speaking to other women and focusing on yourself. When you self-develop, put energy and prioritize yourself you will naturally glow because you believe that you are the "prize" and you have a lot to offer. Charisma does bring you a long way, but when you add some fliratious behaviour that is when someone will understand that you like them. :)
I say the difference between charming and flirting is what you excpect out of it. The motive? bnsiklgnjidlksg
Dr K having his wife on has been so valuable. I used to be what I would describe as a misogynist (a word i dont toss around lightly in todays culture) but she's genuinely helped me recognize that women can be just as thoughtful, and arent only after big material gain when they talk to us. Keep it up Dr K, and keep up the clips owner of this channel!
We're all gonna sculpt ourselves into great humans with this content. 💖
Good shit king
Women are human beings too! What a concept!
Neapolitan it sounds simple on paper but some dude literally do grow up without meaningful connection to women their whole lives. Don’t trivialize that concept. There’s a reason it’s easy to dehumanize people you never meet.
@@saloonboone Interesting! I was somewhat the opposite, being raised entirely by my mother and had to watch her do some real shady things. My young sponge-like brain interpreted that as "oh okay, so women are just shady". It also didn't help that being a fat nerd growing up, there weren't a lot of women around willing to talk. Fortunately though in getting into the real world I've been able to have more encounters with them, and through a number of online videos explaining their points of view I've been able to move away from that toxic mindset.
Good on you for being able to form relationships with them now, keep up the good work bud!
@@xDDufiosy Thank you for this, though I can also understand what Neapolitan is thinking (to an extent). Often we forget that the ways we were raised is not at all the way other people were raised; my best example of this would be people growing up in well-off families not being able to fathom that people in the inner-city would resort to crime, despite the apparent lack of education available to them, which would just breed even worse role models.
Always nice to see someone willing to take a step back and understand though, thank you!
"You make sacrifices for the people that deserve your sacrifice." Holy shit. That's an epiphany for me that I need to think about. I spend all day making small sacrifices to ensure other people are comfortable and not inconvenienced. I've never even thought about it.
Its okay to inconvenience people, especially if they never reciprocate it.
@@xDDufiosy Absolutely. People may keep leeching if you are willing to make sacrifices even when they never would do so for you.
I know i that i always try to make everyone comfortable but I don’t know how i am sacrificing for them.. i would like to stop doing so when i know exactly how
@@toushiri9476 I guess it would be a sacrifice if you are giving up something to help them. If you are doing it willingly, and it doesnt cost you, and they would do similar stuff for you, that's normal.
LMAO when mrs k said "Don't, don't clear the air, it's only going to get worse" DAMNNNNNN that shit was fire lmao. I know that feeling of seeing a fuckup accelerating fast towards someone and wanting to say "bro, don't."
New to the channel but let me say this. His wife is gorgeous. What a blessing
These relationship advice Dr k videos come exactly when I need them
Dr K needs to do a stream about the connection between the mind and the gut, rather, the vagus nerve. I could be wrong but I don’t think I’ve seen You address this. It could be very beneficial given how many of the people who watch probably aren’t on the best diets, I know gamers and twitch streamers definitely eat like crap and don’t really think about it.
He talks about it for a few minutes in his interview with mizkif
Love these clips man keep it up
Dude your picture is Weed? 🤣
Imp Lord gotta appreciate it
"What you think of me is none of my business."
being charming is passive effort and flirting is active effort
Pushing through it was the way to go in my experience. I remember in highschool I met a classmate and she was really my first friend that was a girl. So I interpreted it as more and asked her out because I thought I had to. She said no, but we still talked every class even though I was embarrassed. About half a year later I told her what my thought process was when I asked her out and how I completely misread the situation and we just laughed about it. 5 years later and she is one of my best friends. It's great
Just make sure you still don't have feelings for her. That can be latent and eat you up from the inside without you even knowing about it.
I'm a socially anxious girl and can't handle even being near most guys because it turns me into a nervous wreck and my tongue gets tied and guys are very weirded out by that. Its strange because for me to get comfortable around a guy, I need to befriend him first. But the key is, he has to show initial interest before me, otherwise I stay a nervous wreck. This is why I struggle to befriend guys irl but more so especially after being cuffed. I can't speak to my bf's roommates without sweating. I think they think I hate them or something, but I don't, I just get overly nervous. Through text, I dont have that problem, and so I can freely be myself. Even being able to engage in some "harmless flirting". So I feel maybe i come across more confident online than in person. It tricks a lot of guys out so I try to avoid meeting them irl. In person though, if I did befriend a guy, and he said he liked me but I didn't like him, I would hope he knew me well enough to approach me first if he ever wanted to talk about it further. I tend to treat every friend the same and his confession wouldnt change that. I definitely don't harmless flirt irl unless its like a deep friendship, which I've never had with a guy anyway except since elementary.
Perhaps this is rooted in a skewed perception of men? I can relate to this, and for me I used to get nervous around them because I would perceive them as sort of out of my league, smarter than me, funnier, etc so I often let them do the talking at first and I'd simply avoid them every chance I could get. But I've come to realize this perception is a combination of my own insecurities I feel towards myself as well as holding a skewed, idealized version of how men generally are in comparison to me. Men are humans with as many flaws and quirks as anybody else. How we come to hold this mindset varies obviously but dig deep and ask yourself where these engrained perceptions come from. Reframing your distorted perspective and rerouting your inner self talk is how you change this behavior
@@sativadva It's interesting for me to hear this because as a guy this is exactly how it works for us as well. I wonder how often people miss out because they are too scared to take a chance..
Bro his wife is a bombshell, so smart, so witty. It actually makes me Stan Dr K even more
the problem is men get flirted with so very seldom outside of the dating dynamic, even if it's meant to be harmless, a lot of men don't have that differentiation between flirting for fun and flirting with intent.
It's not inherently anyone's fault, just a sad result of the way a lot of men grow up in north america
Okay... and who’s fault is that?
@@looksmax4207 I literally stated it wasn't inherently anyone's fault lmao try reading the whole comment
Being in the "friendzone" and a girl just not being attracted to you are different things ( although not mutually exclusive of course). If a girl" just wants to be friends", she's probably just not attracted to you , period, end of conversation. Accept that she's not the one for you and move on immediately. IF she was actually attracted to you but you waited too long and it turned into a friend situation, then learn from it and MOVE ON , because the day she finds someone else is the day your friendship ends. That being said I think there are some relationships that can burgeon from a longterm friendship situation but do NOT wait around in hopes that it someday will. Move on . Try again.
thanks i needed this
@@Panlover_ You're welcome !
The difference is the goal imo. Being charming has no goal, its intrinsic to the person, a characteristic, while flirting IS goal oriented (a verb boi). myb a bout the choice - u cant choose to be charming (but you can develop it i guess) but u do choose to flirt towards a person.
this is beautiful! gg.
Charming, I think, is a personality trait. One that can lead to something or not lead to something. Flirting is an action with a goal in mind
Charming = nonsexual
Flirting = sexual
Even if it doesn't end in sex, if the connotation can be made, I'd say that's a flirt.
Thank you.
Any tips on how i should get over the stress of telling the girl i like sad part is that summer break is in 1 week and i have no clue what school she is going to.
Update: i asked her for her number andshe did not even hesitate to give me her number and we have been talking a little bit its been fun
I mean, why are you stressed about it? Serious question
@@georgeshibley9529 since there is only 1 week left then my chance may be gone
Redrebel what happens if your chance is gone? Will you never have another chance with another person ever again? (Again serious question and thx for the first response 😁)
@@georgeshibley9529 its just i have not had anyone like this stick to my mind
Redrebel that’s a fair response. Why is this person that important to you? Why does she stick to your mind unlike other girls? What’s kept you from telling her?
Mrs. K's presence increases the attractiveness level of the stream by like 25%.
She’s a solid 6... with makeup on
@@looksmax4207 unironic incel
banana man lmao what. Why would you simp for his wife she’s not even that hot??
Thanos Mighty Halle berry? Jada pinkett? Beyonce?
Thanos Mighty I’m saying you’re WRONG. You pick the baddest girl her looks don’t fade idiot
1:52 siddharth_das : Bhaiya NEET crack kese karuuu
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That ending was so nice. You two are so respectful of each other.
I can imagine some women would react negatively to her husband hypothesising over flirting with a 70yr old nurse.
Ps. My perspective on it being different is the fact that likely both parties are married and the age gap is so far apart, it can be easily understood to be highly unlikely that the flirting is going to go anywhere sexual. That's just my initial thought.
To me the difference would be:
Charming is meant to make a person like you more as part of their social life.
Flirting is something you do to non verbally communicate your sexual interest.
What's the difference between charming and harmless flirting?
The intent, if all other circumstances are the same.
Yeah, I was thinking the same
1:03 "Dude mr.k wife is so hot" ~ DrDisrespect
"Don't clear the air" dang it shoulda seen this a couple months ago
I, hear, voices. I think, they want. To talk.
Man. Wish I was ready to hear these things in my 20s. Would of saved a lot of heartaches. But unfortunately youth is blinded by hormones.
hearing the assumption that the girl is sad she can't flirt anymore was so surprising and different from my own experience that i physically recoiled hahah. and how do we know she was flirting in the first place? yet it seemed to resonate with ms. k. just shows you can't really assume what anyone's thinking just based on their gender, everyone's coming in with their own experiences.
I feel like he needs to cut the cord with that one because he's going to try and keep engaging that emotional layer of their friendship and eventually push her away. Stay friends but kinda disengage from that idea altogether. Count your losses and find someone else.
The absolute stream of f’s in the chat made my goddamn day
It's not friendzone. Friendzone is when you continuously try to force yourself into her intimate life by sacrificing your time and money on her, to no avail.
Otherwise, if there's no mutual attraction, and people like hanging out with each other, it's called "friends".
That's sounds more like being a simp
@@mathwizard296 how is it being a simp? o.o so if you make a female friend then you are a simp?
@@zeppelinled3967 no he said key word sacrificing money
Well that is more of a simp thing.
I love hearing intellectual people discuss things. And what I love even more, is hearing them have differing opinions 😂
Hearing you two differ on the "what she's thinking" is very interesting. In my opinion, neither are wrong, but it's a hell of a debate as to figure it out. Love it!!!!
"harmless" flirtation is not always harmless
If flirtation is not harmless, and women/men flirt with others they don't really like (for sexual attention and validation, and for fun), then aren't people harming others like crazy today by leading them on?
The overthinking begins
what a fking alpha ez clap
Flirting is undergirded by intending for some sexual or romantic outcome, or giving the impression of intending for that; charming is just being very friendly.
You refuse to stay in the friendzone, "i want more than friends, let me know if you change your mind!" you move on and NEVER LOOK BACK!
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That's hard for some people, great you did it.
Yeah I was like wtf is she talkin about and then i saw his eyes go wide. Im like damn so it aint just me she's sayin some wild shit and just exposed herself for enjoying stringing along her guy friends
Lol that pause
Charming is occupying a place where one finds the charm in the minutias of life, thus, becoming charming. Flirting is a direct form of engagement where the initiator usually uses a lens where all perceptions become sexually charged. My take on it anyway :)
First mistake this guy made is trying to transform friendship into relationship which is in almost all scenarios impossible.
I think for once, she wanted you to get some wine (or whatever) for her Dr. K NotLikeThis You've programmed your brain to instantly look for absolute clarity in the person you are talking with. That, and there's the whole Indian culture thing you've adapted to.
"Don't prioritize her feelings above your own." But, but I prioritize everyone's feelings above my own. Oh, yeah, that's probably a problem, hmmm
what a cute couple :D
and I completely agree... dont "clear the air" its done.
well the people that wanted to friendzone me didn't want to be friends either in the end... so there's that...
Flirting is intentional, charm may not always be
i thought he said 7 year old nurse
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Hey guys! Does anyone know what is the "pepe noting something in a textbook" emote called?
PepoG, just looked it up myself :)
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What's up? How is everything?
Lmfao
Wish this video was out 2 months ago kinda Fucked now
I feel like Mrs. K's perspective on this is incredibly messed up
So the girl is upset now that she can't play with the guys feelings anymore? She loved the idea of him having a crush on her but then it gets real and she slams on the brakes? She was just leading him on the entire time and poor her the guy she was leading on fell for her and now she's uncomfortable.
Maybe don't play with peoples feelings for your own enjoyment I dunno
Guys and girls do this. She's was not playing with his feelings lmfao. She was enjoying her perception that someone else finds her desirable through harmless flirtation. Once it becomes a reality that he not only finds her desirable but wants to pursue something with her romantically her continuing to flirt without any intention of exploring what may exist past that makes it playing with his feelings. That's when it stops being harmless.
If the guy is really crushing on her (without her knowing) and continues engaging in harmless flirtation that is completely on him. He has built his own expectation that something might come of it without engaging her in an honest conversation about whether or not that is possible. The girl cannot be responsible for that unless her initial flirtation wasn't harmless (ie gratuitous and likely sexual rather than just complementary and "fun").
I would tend to side towards you, because I tend to be "friendzoned" way too fast, like I feel girls don't even give the "let's see if..." chance to me and I know I would get my hopes up if I got positive feedback lmao, but considering what Mr K said about not following your social anxiety sense, I think she just has lacks that social anxiety. She can put her feelings first. It's not manipulative, it's not playing with the guy's feelings if the guy ended up liking her thus boosting her self esteem. If the guy's putting her over himself, then that's on him. he should see if he likes the relationship now that the possibility of going further on is cleared (or that he's going to have to wait) and if he can benefit from her then he should still hang out.
I definitely agree with her
That's an interesting perspective, but you frame it as though she were doing some arcane and terrible thing. It's actually super normal to enjoy flirtation for the sake of flirtation. Definitely not universal, but extraordinarily common. Your idea about manipulating people and toying with their feelings is completely misplaced. The reason the girl would be aware that she can't flirt anymore is because now she knows it wouldn't be harmless. Plenty of people have relationships were both parties happily flirt with the other with the expectation of it going nowhere. Flirting isn't the same as trying to get someone to fall for you, although it most certainly can have that effect. Similarly, you can definitely flirt with someone while signaling that you don't want to be with them romantically. Admittedly that makes the signals a little harder to read hence situations like this even being possible, but that doesn't mean you can pin all the blame on the signaler.
@@simone8172 It happens quite often that flirting serves the purpose of generating attention and even resources. Its mostly girls who are guilty of that but I also knew a guy who did this with a girl. As long as there is plausible deniability (saying that flirtation is mostly without any social meaning as you imply) one can then exploit the other's weakness. If you are aware what flirtatation does to the other then simply apply the golden rule and walk away.
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Flirting has an underlying sexual relationship?
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feed what?
A girl put you in the friendzone? go find someone else to chase, you aren't worth the time for her, and if she changes her tune when she sees you chasing someone else...then you will know.
This ^
non confident wemen do engage in harmless flirtation Dr k is wrong there
Anytime you tell a girl you like her and she friendzones you you gotta see yourself out permanently. Burn that bridge.
Not necessarily, the older I get the easier it is for me to be rejected and stick around as friends.
Also for me it feels kinda creepy to just get rejected and bounce, it feels like I'm saying 'youre only worth being around if you want to date me'
Your path is your own, but there are others.
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I don't understand how women don't think it's morally wrong to flirt with men you don't like, when they keep preaching to men about the exact same thing. How can you be pissed about not being able to "harmlessly" flirt with men you don't like, as if you're entitled to that behavior?
Guys and girls do this mate. People are generally chill with flirting with friends when they find them attractive. Both my close friend and I flirt with our other close friend because she is evidentally more physically attractive - thicc. It is nice for her as she feels desired and I like flirting with her because it's a type of banter for me. My gay mate does this practically with every guy he's friends with. Idk if sexuality has anything to do with it but no matter the gender I do this with, guy or girl, it's purely harmless flirtation.
So when you've previously made flirtatious interactions out to be purely flirtatious and for fun but then someone confesses to actually liking the other person, that turns the situation off for the other person. The banter is gone and so the person who was desired will no longer get to feel that way anymore. No one is feeling entitled, it's just something that you'll miss doing. No one is crying boohoo. And since the guy had previously reciprocated that flirtatious behaviour, mutually and passively agreeing to engage in the same way, that's all on the guy because the woman in this scenario can't read the guys mind. If he wanted something for a while and never said anything, he can't blame the woman for continuing to (in her eyes) harmlessly flirt when he put on this front that he hadn't had ulterior motives/feelings.
@@鄭Cruorem Whatever dude, dating is cancer.
@@ewanrobertson5368 It is.
Let me help you. If you asked her out the end of the rope solution is there's no point to hang out with her since you have/had those feelings. If she was a friend that would be a different story. She cannot provide you anything you need and you will always have that "what if" feeling. Move on.
Women do not have male "friends." They are either orbiters (they have feelings for her) or she is seeing him on the side.
Bro his wife is a bombshell, so smart, so witty. It actually makes me Stan Dr K even more