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Japanese Pronunciation, Video 2: The Japanese Consonants
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 พ.ค. 2015
- This is the second of a 4-part series on Japanese pronunciation. The goal is to get familiar with the sounds of Japanese and the IPA symbols. You'll then be able to learn them faster, either through your own studies or through my pronunciation trainers. More links below:
Flashcard Designs for Teaching Yourself Pronunciation: blog.fluent-fo...
My Pronunciation Trainers: fluent-forever...
Anki Language Learning: ankilanguagelea...
More Anki Decks, including Japanese Pronunciation: speakada.com
Reddit's Anki Language Learning Community: / ankilanguagelearning
A super detailed discussion of the IPA: • Pronunciation Tutorial...
This honestly is one of The best videos out there explaining the Japanese pronunciation
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Yep
True
"Can I find a dictionary with IPA?" Not necessary because the sounds of Japanese are really regular in spelling. So master the pronunciation rules and you're good to go
"What about pitch accent?" There are pitch accent dictionaries, but I only know of monolingual ones. A few (very few) good textbooks do indicate pitch accent though
This is a lot harder than I expected... I grew up watching Japanese animes (with original audio) and thought I would probably have a better ear for it. I couldn't be more wrong, hahaha
It depends on language. Japanese is really hard to pronounce for English language users, but it's super easy for Slavic language users (Polish, Czech etc), because all Japanese sounds exist in our phonetics.
@@sirmiluch6856 Yeah, Polish and English together cover pretty much all of the consonants in Japanese.
@@maxkho00 English? Nope at all. There's no way to spell し、ち、じ and their compounds correctly using English phonetics (in Polish it's literally ś, ć , dź), but Polish has near 95% equivalents. The only sound that doesn't exist in Polish is ん, but it is still easy to pronounce correctly anyway.
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I meant English and Polish combined, but you still aren't correct. Polish does not have any of the ç, ɸ, ŋ, ɴ, ɾ, ɾʲ sounds, while American English has 3 of them (ŋ, ɾ, ɾʲ). Polish phonology is still a lot closer than English phonology to Japanese, because the soft consonants correspond exactly to one another in the two languages (as is in fact not the case for any other Slavic language), but that correspondence is not exact.
Its always easy for me to say the japanese words more then reading
Great content! It's a fascinating subject.
As a student of linguistics and the Japanese language, this has been very useful to spot potential phonological features that can be more difficult to recognise and produce for learners of both Japanese and English.
My current research involves scaffolding the learner to become aware of these phonological features as part of the guidelines of Lingua Franca Core (for Japanese learners of English, more specifically).
I also enjoyed how the content is presented, the pace and tonality of the voice add to it.
Thank you very much!
Great to hear you enjoyed it so much!
So is there a dictionary with IPA Japanese? Everything I've found including textbooks, almost none has IPA and none of it has pitch markers which makes it hard to learn or tell the difference between words that are spelled the same but pronounced with different pitch accent. These pronunciation videos that even tell you what to do with your mouth have been very helpful.
thanks :)
What is the dictionary?
I was hoping to see more attention played to the nasal g as in the particle ga that sounds like nga sometimes and the go that sounds like mo sometimes because of ....nasalization I suppose.....or is it because the english "g" is only a rough approximation for the Japanese "g" sound?
And what about the ryo/ryu/rya sounds? I can manage the "r" after exercises but I can barely even make the ry sounds.
R also has an allophone that should be in American English, the tap [4] which is the same sound as when you say 'better' and it sounds kind of like 'bedder' rather than than the same t as in the beginning of the English word.
Good vid, condensed a ton of information into something helpful
We are happy it was helpful!
@@FluentForeverApp So you still reply comments of the video from 5 years ago.
What about an Anki deck to work on after the ear training one that contains the mouth diagrams to practice producing the sounds?
hello, now i'm learning japanese but i need ipa to pronounce, can you tell me which dictionarys have IPA, thanks a lot
So the "t" and "d" are dental, like in french? So it should be [t̪] and [d̪]
Do you plan on doing any more of these pronunciation videos for other languages? Could I request some pronunciation info for specific languages or accents of those languages?
We have no plans to release more videos like this for the time being. You may be able to find alternative resources online though. Which languages are you looking to learn more about?
@@FluentForeverApp There really are not many, if any, alternatives to videos like this. Though if you have no plans to do similar videos for other languages, I won't bother you with a list of such videos I'd like. I appreciate the response.
Some stuff i can see in common between japanese and spanish
Interesting! What did you notice?
N as in Gon-kun
r as in Kirua Zorudikku
Hey Gabe, great videos! They've been more than helpful. Could you explain the difference between the Spanish flap (ɾ) and the Japanese r? It's been driving me crazy. I can hear the difference but producing it is tough, even after researching it. Is the tip of the tongue further back in Japanese? Can Japanese native speakers even hear the difference? Thanks!
Ok, thanks a lot!
What was the answer you got? I've got the same problem
Japanese r isn't a flap so.. it's kinda like you can hover your tongue near the roof, almost almost touching
/k/ is velar
Is there any Japanese dictionary with IPA symbols? that would help me a lot cause I know English IPA
Hi DeathKT, I'm afraid we don't. We had to make our own IPA for our 625 word lists.
The Pocket Kenkyusha Japanese Dictionary (Oxford) has decent transcriptions
Great video.
0:45 that isn’t /u/ in many of the words. Many words have /ɨ/ or /ɯ/ wrongly transcribed as /u/ in this video
Your feedback has been noted and will be taken into consideration as we review the video. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!
Nice!
There's /f/ only in ふ (fu)
Uvular N
holy crap I can't wrap my head around n at all. I wish you guys spent more time on it :P
Hi Scott! What can we clear up? ;)
@@FluentForeverApp Thanks for the response! I'm just a bit confused on how individual consonants are supposed to sound versus how native English speakers tend to sound.
I'm a rather auditory learner, so it helps if I can hear and understand the contrasts myself. The explanations on palletization made a lot of sense, and I think I know how to do that in general.
I'm going to try listening later with headphones to see if that helps.
Yes! Please try with your headphones and let us know if that helps, as that should make a difference. 😊
@@FluentForeverApp You're right. I finally get it now. Thanks a lot!
We are happy to hear this was helpful, Scott!
[f] as in ドフラミンゴ (Doflamingo)
(Sorry I can't type the bilabial fricative symbol here.)
Yes, it's pronounced somewhat similar to blowing a candle.
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[ɸ]
I've read that it's more of a ''hoo'' than '''foo'''. There's no f sound in Japanese as the one in English
There are no labiodental features in Japanese ふ (hoo/foo)
I'm going to have to watch this more than once ;_;
The good thing is that there is no rush. Take your time, and we're sure you will be able to achieve your learning goals.
Same im confused
Out of sheer curiosity, if somebody was good enough at speaking Japanese to hold a proper conversation with somebody in Japanese but didn’t learn how to fully pronounce letters like “r” in the language, would a Japanese person be able to understand them?
I used the word Japanese too much
Hi Dangan-Gacha! That's a fantastic question! The answer is for the most part, yes. It will depend on the word and the context it's used. If for example, If someone tries to pronounce a word that typically does not have another option for what phoneme they are attempting, a native speaker can likely figure out what you trying to say. This would not be the case if incorrectly pronouncing the word changes the sound of it into another word that is out of context with what is being said. It could cause some confusion for the native speaker. 😊
Is the palatalized n the same as the Spanish ñ ?
The palatalization of the sounds can sound similar based on how they are said but they are not the same, they are different.
Is there a rule for when to use ŋ and when to use ɴ? I think I am able to make both sounds but I find it very difficult to hear the difference between the two.
Hi Vincent, you may find this useful: www.reddit.com/r/linguistics/comments/1nmv2v/nasal_consonants_written_as_%E3%82%93_in_japanese/
Are the French nasal vowels the same sound as the nasalized vowels in Japanese after the uvular N sound ?
Hi Moises, great question! We actually also have a series on French pronunciation that you may want to check out. I'm sure you'll find your answer there :) We use the IPA alphabet in all of our pronunciation videos so that language learners like yourself have a constant reference point for these types of questions. Here are the links to the French pronunciation videos available on our channel: th-cam.com/video/83sTgHd5Iw0/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/dbyKzUM9H5c/w-d-xo.html, and th-cam.com/video/sSkNXuwFRl0/w-d-xo.html
Anyone else think of Krabby at 3:57 ?
The ん -n sound sounds like ng-sound but it's uvular
暑い (あつい) = hot
Palatalization: before ゃ ゅ ょ
can't you please make some for korean especially for the double consonants likeㅃㅉㄸㄲㅆ
the "uh" before you say certain words comes across like you're trying to sound like you're speaking off the cuff and improvising, which i doubt you are. It's distracting.
Chill out.
Bruh
your teaching is too fast!
Don't worry. You can slow down the video or repeat the same part over and over until you understand it. With time and practice, it will get easier!