I love the sound of the pages turning on the Raw and Drawn & Quarterly anthologies. Just sound great. Also, I remember playing both DC Heroes and the Marvel Superheroes game. Still remember those fondly.
Before working comic-book retail in Toronto, I used to work at Andromeda Distribution. We didn't have new comic-books coming in throughout the week. All the comics were picked up by truck, just across the Canada/U.S. border, each week. I think South of Detroit, possibly? "Distribution Night" was the all-night job of pulling/assembling/shipping all of the orders for/to Canadian retail shops, so they'd have their stuff for "New Comic-Book Day". Which (if memory serves) was Wednesdays, for many years..
Was it in Dearborn, MI? That is a long drive from Toronto brother, especially every week! Worked at a shop in Windsor, Ontario and that's we we picked up our books weekly (Tuesday or Thursday I think). I remember one of the first times I went, I was completely horrified when I saw a very large fellow who's job it was to rip the covers off off books for what I learned were returns just sipping on a Super Big Gulp and dumping them one by one into a huge garbage bin.
Thank you so much for talking about the image guys being "rich kids." When people have talked about using them as a model for anyone can succeed in comics I've always pointed out that they all were already well off in life. They had wealthy families. There wasn't a risk to their livelihoods. Unlike us artists who come from low class families and have to work and work at being artists at the same time.
I really liked the characters even tho I didn’t know what they actually did. They looked cool to my ten year old eyes I guess. Thought it was crazy the killed a member off so quickly too.
Two hours and eleven minutes - It's good to see you guys finally getting serious about this Cartoonist Kayfabe thing. Watched every second at least once.
Harry Peter was astoundingly not a pseudonym, these were more innocent times. He was indeed the mainline Wonder Woman artist as well in the 1940s and beyond, co-creating (but without credit) the character with William Moulton Marston.
I worked at Heroes World 1993/94. East coast distributor that had a few brick and mortor shops, of which I worked in one of those. Its going back, but I remember ALL the comics coming in at the same time, on the same weekly day. In answer to something Ed questioned about shops getting books at different times.
Hey fellas, you mention that you guys usually appear at Heroes Con at the same time. Would you ever consider doing a live Kayfabe episode of some kind? Maybe you could flip through one of the “specials” that Wizard did over the years. There was an X-Men one I remember having a hologram foil cover!
51:20 What was West Sussex College of Art & Design but would be Northbrook College by the mid 80s and is now part of the Greater Brighton MET here on the south coast of England.
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode! I worked for Capital City Distribution at the time so I witnessed the explosive rise of Image and the speculator’s market. To answer your question, books arrived twice a week which always felt like Xmas morning!
I remember really being into Richard Sala at this time too because of Invisible Hands and Thirteen O'Clock. Oh man, Brat Pack by Rick Veitch is legendarily good. I was all excited when you started talking about it, then that article had nothing to do with it! Truly a heel move.
Hey guys I won a contest in one of the wizard magazines.....I cant remember what issue but it was for my art on my original character Grunge. My friend won for writing the back story.
It reminds you of Revenge of the Nerds, because it was. Unless you were alive and purchasing comics back then, it's hard to imagine when compared to today's culture. Back in 1992, girls (and "cool" boys) ruthlessly rejected and made fun of the kids (of which, the incredibly vast majority were boys) buying and reading comic books. This WAS our escape. How do you entice a young, straight boy going through puberty, when he's rejected by girls, to read comics? Draw scantily clad "babes" on the cover. Simple as that.
I love what you guys are doing with these videos. I'm new to YT content, but I had planned to do the same thing on a smaller scale. In regards to NCBD back then, I recall running to the shops on either a Thursday or Friday. Three of us had to fight over the last copy of Youngblood on the shelf at our first stop. Luckily we found more at our next stop. I ended up with two copies. It didn't take long to understand what a disappointing hot pile the story was.
Not sure if this is the same guy, but one of the fan art pieces is by David Palumbo which is the same name as a phenomenal fantasy painter who is also the son of Julie Bell and stepson of Boris Vallejo. He would have been 10 in 1992 so it seems plausible that this is the early work of fantasy art royalty.
LOL, wow. I'd never heard that Alan Moore quote in regards to Marshal Law before. That's fantastic! Love Marshal Law, it was for me as a kid what TDKR and Watchmen were to others.
Not enough mentioning of that cover. They got in HUGE trouble for that mixture of Marvel and Image. Wizard had to apologize, promise to never reprint the cover... heck, a few issues later when they start selling back issues that's the one issue they wouldn't sell.
Not sure, but the Punisher fan art that you can't place might homage to Martial Law. I know he has several images where he has a mask hooked to his belt with a hole through it just like that 🤔
I'm 95% sure that D&Q issue 9 is Seth in his earlier style Had a similiar reaction to the Peter's Wonder Woman when I first came across it in reprints in Adventure Comics. Need to read more of it. I started reading Fantastic Four Unlimited based on this video. I'd heard about this Trimpe phase of trying to fit in with the popular syle. Do you think kids picking this got fooled by this or was it obvious to them that this was an older artist trying to be cool?
Fact check me on this, but I’m pretty sure I heard that Dave Cooper did some design work in the early stages for the show Futurama, designing robots and ships and stuff.
Great episode! I need to see if there's video of the Giffen/Fiffe panel. Thanks also for the tip on that b&w Zaffino book from IDW, it's on my list now PS Brigade #1 is still the WORST comic book I've ever read
heya the artist that summitted the joker in the amazing art shawn reeves is also the same guy who runs reevez fx and makes the awesome batman cowls www.reevzfx.com/#home i am his brother and i remember being super hyped when our local comic shop owner told us that he made it in wizard was a big deal too us as kids :)
Man, that Jim-Leenization of Alex Saviuk art was sad and painful to see. His style was so classic, so fine as it was. And that Jim-Lee coat on it just ruined. Not that it was exactly poorly done or anything... it's just a mismatch. If at least he was requested to be more Todd-McFarlanian, it would fit more with his style, although the end result would probably look more like he was trying to mimic Neal Adams or Sienkiewicz, unless he went for the cartoony style of form as well. There was even some Jim-Leeniesque inking of Sal Buscema at some point, also completely unnecessary, but not as incompatible, at least.
Maus first appeared in Marvel's Comix Book, dudes. Same place I saw my first Speigelman, 'Ace Hole, Midget Detective' which, for my art-life is 10000000 x better and more innovative than the over rated, depressing and boring to read, Maus, anyhow.
These Wizard videos make waking up on Monday morning something I look forward to now. Never quit, this is my favorite channel on TH-cam.
Agreed!!!!
I love the sound of the pages turning on the Raw and Drawn & Quarterly anthologies. Just sound great.
Also, I remember playing both DC Heroes and the Marvel Superheroes game. Still remember those fondly.
Just running across this vid. As an early Wizard subscriber these early Wizard issues are super nostalgic
Guys, I love these vids. They are great and informative.
Memory lane on early Wizard issues. Fantastic !
Before working comic-book retail in Toronto, I used to work at Andromeda Distribution. We didn't have new comic-books coming in throughout the week. All the comics were picked up by truck, just across the Canada/U.S. border, each week. I think South of Detroit, possibly? "Distribution Night" was the all-night job of pulling/assembling/shipping all of the orders for/to Canadian retail shops, so they'd have their stuff for "New Comic-Book Day". Which (if memory serves) was Wednesdays, for many years..
Was it in Dearborn, MI? That is a long drive from Toronto brother, especially every week! Worked at a shop in Windsor, Ontario and that's we we picked up our books weekly (Tuesday or Thursday I think). I remember one of the first times I went, I was completely horrified when I saw a very large fellow who's job it was to rip the covers off off books for what I learned were returns just sipping on a Super Big Gulp and dumping them one by one into a huge garbage bin.
Guys can’t thank you enough for the education I’m getting here. I’m blown away by the quality of that Raw publication.
I LOVE IT that you mentioned Fletcher Hanks! His stuff was the BOMB!
Thank you so much for talking about the image guys being "rich kids." When people have talked about using them as a model for anyone can succeed in comics I've always pointed out that they all were already well off in life. They had wealthy families. There wasn't a risk to their livelihoods. Unlike us artists who come from low class families and have to work and work at being artists at the same time.
Brigade was the first Image comic I was able to get my hands on. I remember willing myself into believing it was good.
I really liked the characters even tho I didn’t know what they actually did. They looked cool to my ten year old eyes I guess. Thought it was crazy the killed a member off so quickly too.
I was absolute shite, of course.😛
Two hours and eleven minutes - It's good to see you guys finally getting serious about this Cartoonist Kayfabe thing. Watched every second at least once.
My fav part of wizard was the halloween costume contests. This was a long time before cosplay became ubiquitous of course.
I was in one of those issues I think 148... maybe .. I have copies somewhere
My family and I are the Invincibles! Great memories
Harry Peter was astoundingly not a pseudonym, these were more innocent times. He was indeed the mainline Wonder Woman artist as well in the 1940s and beyond, co-creating (but without credit) the character with William Moulton Marston.
Even though his style looks naive he had some awesome book illustrations before Wonder Woman.
Thank you for showing Jorge Zaffino comics. Love his work, but only have his punisher and Punisher Nams. Time to hunt them down.
Man, I wish I could hit thumbs up times 1000x when youngblood comes out.
I worked at Heroes World 1993/94. East coast distributor that had a few brick and mortor shops, of which I worked in one of those. Its going back, but I remember ALL the comics coming in at the same time, on the same weekly day.
In answer to something Ed questioned about shops getting books at different times.
Hey fellas, you mention that you guys usually appear at Heroes Con at the same time. Would you ever consider doing a live Kayfabe episode of some kind? Maybe you could flip through one of the “specials” that Wizard did over the years. There was an X-Men one I remember having a hologram foil cover!
22:38 "if this charecter is named Commander X I want nothing to do with it" fast forward 30 years...
51:20 What was West Sussex College of Art & Design but would be Northbrook College by the mid 80s and is now part of the Greater Brighton MET here on the south coast of England.
Did we ever get to see that Jim Rugg Crow halloween photo?
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode! I worked for Capital City Distribution at the time so I witnessed the explosive rise of Image and the speculator’s market. To answer your question, books arrived twice a week which always felt like Xmas morning!
I remember really being into Richard Sala at this time too because of Invisible Hands and Thirteen O'Clock.
Oh man, Brat Pack by Rick Veitch is legendarily good. I was all excited when you started talking about it, then that article had nothing to do with it! Truly a heel move.
What a brilliant synopsis by Ed on the difference between Marc Jim and Kirby
We need a CF subchannel of you two discussing Raw et al. The Palmer's Picks tangents are becoming my favorite parts. Keep up the excellent work...
Hey guys I won a contest in one of the wizard magazines.....I cant remember what issue but it was for my art on my original character Grunge. My friend won for writing the back story.
Damn, I love Brat Pack! Thanks for throwing those books out, Jim!
Hell yeah, man! Just what I needed to play while I do some comic work.
ah, I see Ed is a fan of Something to Wrestle with!
This is comics heaven.
Starting my week off right!
WinterWorld is excellent, I will track down Seven Block now. Keep it up boys.
There's a magazine sized collection of Shakey Kane's Deadline strips published in 2017 by Breakdown Press in the UK. Definitely worth checking out.
Holy sharks! LOBO: Frag Race sounds like the most awesome comic never made!
It reminds you of Revenge of the Nerds, because it was. Unless you were alive and purchasing comics back then, it's hard to imagine when compared to today's culture. Back in 1992, girls (and "cool" boys) ruthlessly rejected and made fun of the kids (of which, the incredibly vast majority were boys) buying and reading comic books. This WAS our escape.
How do you entice a young, straight boy going through puberty, when he's rejected by girls, to read comics? Draw scantily clad "babes" on the cover. Simple as that.
I love what you guys are doing with these videos. I'm new to YT content, but I had planned to do the same thing on a smaller scale. In regards to NCBD back then, I recall running to the shops on either a Thursday or Friday. Three of us had to fight over the last copy of Youngblood on the shelf at our first stop. Luckily we found more at our next stop. I ended up with two copies. It didn't take long to understand what a disappointing hot pile the story was.
Not sure if this is the same guy, but one of the fan art pieces is by David Palumbo which is the same name as a phenomenal fantasy painter who is also the son of Julie Bell and stepson of Boris Vallejo. He would have been 10 in 1992 so it seems plausible that this is the early work of fantasy art royalty.
LOL, wow. I'd never heard that Alan Moore quote in regards to Marshal Law before. That's fantastic! Love Marshal Law, it was for me as a kid what TDKR and Watchmen were to others.
Love these videos dude 👍
Not enough mentioning of that cover. They got in HUGE trouble for that mixture of Marvel and Image. Wizard had to apologize, promise to never reprint the cover... heck, a few issues later when they start selling back issues that's the one issue they wouldn't sell.
That Moebius kitty cat appeared in the Eclipse BORN TO BE WILD benefit comic too.
I think i might still have this copy somewhere
This was my first issue...Forever Ago.
I bought some issues of Terror Inc from a used bookstore when I was a kid - scared the shit out of me - kept me awake at night.
At this time my local shop had new stuff Wednesday and Friday
Dudes - loved seeing those Deadline issues. Very interesting, and I'm not familiar. I'd love to see more about those.
Not sure, but the Punisher fan art that you can't place might homage to Martial Law. I know he has several images where he has a mask hooked to his belt with a hole through it just like that 🤔
Just found this channel. You guys are hot to trot.
wow! mad respect for your bootleg copy of spawn 1 @1:53
guys what do think of Malibu sun #13, aka first appearance of spawn...
Wizard 4 is the first appearance of Spawn.
Where's the crow costume?
I'm 95% sure that D&Q issue 9 is Seth in his earlier style
Had a similiar reaction to the Peter's Wonder Woman when I first came across it in reprints in Adventure Comics. Need to read more of it.
I started reading Fantastic Four Unlimited based on this video. I'd heard about this Trimpe phase of trying to fit in with the popular syle. Do you think kids picking this got fooled by this or was it obvious to them that this was an older artist trying to be cool?
I want Fiffe to do a Youngblood reboot.
I went to school few blocks from Steve Jackson's games at the time
Wish someone would have explained to the editors the difference between a Portfolio and a Cover Gallery.
Fact check me on this, but I’m pretty sure I heard that Dave Cooper did some design work in the early stages for the show Futurama, designing robots and ships and stuff.
That is true. Dave Cooper discusses this in the Comics Journal 245. They also reproduce some of his art from this project if memory serves.
Tell me more about the Brat Pack comic!!!
We surely will in the future when Palmer's Picks focuses on the comics of Rick Veitch.
Great episode! I need to see if there's video of the Giffen/Fiffe panel. Thanks also for the tip on that b&w Zaffino book from IDW, it's on my list now
PS Brigade #1 is still the WORST comic book I've ever read
A sweet Fugazi ad on the back cover of Deadline! Just a straight up ad for their album, no relation to comics at all.
I wonder in hindsight, if Seth Rogan even knew the boys and youngblood, in concept are very similar.
I recognize a lot of the Raw artist but from Mtv's Liquid Television.
you should do a brian cunningham roast compilation
heya the artist that summitted the joker in the amazing art shawn reeves is also the same guy who runs reevez fx and makes the awesome batman cowls www.reevzfx.com/#home i am his brother and i remember being super hyped when our local comic shop owner told us that he made it in wizard was a big deal too us as kids :)
This is probably the Sphar you're looking for. facebook.com/notes/steven-sphar/blog-o-the-week/76169774382/
Issue number 23
Also, Honest Trailers covered Supaidāman in honor of Enter the Spider-Verse
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Man, that Jim-Leenization of Alex Saviuk art was sad and painful to see. His style was so classic, so fine as it was. And that Jim-Lee coat on it just ruined. Not that it was exactly poorly done or anything... it's just a mismatch. If at least he was requested to be more Todd-McFarlanian, it would fit more with his style, although the end result would probably look more like he was trying to mimic Neal Adams or Sienkiewicz, unless he went for the cartoony style of form as well. There was even some Jim-Leeniesque inking of Sal Buscema at some point, also completely unnecessary, but not as incompatible, at least.
Maus first appeared in Marvel's Comix Book, dudes. Same place I saw my first Speigelman, 'Ace Hole, Midget Detective' which, for my art-life is 10000000 x better and more innovative than the over rated, depressing and boring to read, Maus, anyhow.