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Hey dumbass this ain't no joke John Henry Holliday or Doc Holliday who happened to be a licensed dentist is actually my great-uncle a great great uncle the holidays a part of my clan and yes doc wouldn't exactly a good guy per se but he was a good guy to a point he wasn't that bad it's also why I'm related to the Harden's you know John Wesley Hardin now he was a bad guy so before you start putting somebody's family down better do some research and make sure they have no relatives you English piece of s***
@@randyhutchinson9910 its called Consumption because it consumes the person from the inside out and that water hole thing happened when he was young not an adult and he shot into the air nobody was killed nor did he intend to he shot up high into the air as he was taught also the Ed Bailey stabbing seems to not be true either but if it was its self defense
First i didn't know you were that old. Second what the hell does a brit know about it .i have read at least half dozen books on him. He is from my hometown and seems to me he was just a guy that was dealt a s$#t hand in life and tried to make the best of it
@@marck8899 Rather than try to decide which doc holiday was better, Kilmer or Quaid, I agree with you Marc, let's just enjoy the fact that we were able to have two amazing actors play two similar but different versions of the flamboyant and notorious character, so we had two doc holidays to follow on the adventure!!
Gary Kolo agreed! Kilmer was brilliant. His performance was Oscar-worthy, and it was a huge oversight by Hollywood to not recognize it as such. One of the best method acting performances to this day.
Me too ! The BEST "Doc Holliday " ever ! He should have gotten "Best Supporting Actor" for that ! Likewise, Kurt Russell was best " Wyatt Berry Stapp Earp " portrayal ! And Powers Booth was superb as "Curly Bill Brocious" !
Doc did not "go on the run to avoid trouble!" He headed west for his health. The doctor told him that he had to go to a drier climate for his TB, if he wanted to live longer. GEEEEZZZZZ!!!!
Yes. That whole "Shooting a Black Man at a Swimming Hole" was just Bullshit, but made for Good Copy for Trash In Print Rags of that day and current ones as well. Nowhere near an Angel, but not a Man who would not hesitate to commit the Premeditated Murder of an unarmed Man...Black or White. Of course it is well known All We Georgians are Outright & Avowed Racists who still today are just aching to Murder A Black Person. It's been In All The Papers, Dontchaknow
@@dwightcurrie8316 just saying doc wasnt beyond being racist For god sake his big falling out with wyatt was over the fact wyatt fell in love with a jewish woman. He called wyatt a "damn jew boy" Doc Holliday was a product of his time and where he lived Oh sure he probably didnt kill the black guy as this person said- really we only know of 2 people he killed. He did injure tons of people But to say that Doc Holliday wasnt a racist, least by todays standards granted, is simply not true. Not gonna run his story through the streets over it though Doc was a complicated man, and the least worrisome thing about him was his views on non pure white people, compared to his penchant for stabbing or shooting people out of the hope theyd return the favor
@@ConnorNotyerbidness; Fair point that a Son Of Privilege in Georgia at that time was almost by definition a Racist of one form or another & by today's standards Everybody, Southern or not was a Racist. The "Falling Out" with Wyatt was over Josie being Jewish, I've never heard or read anywhere before about that being the cause & would think it was something more serious than that,. Also with Kate being Hungarian and most likely Jewish also adds to my confusion.......but who knows. If you've got a source for that I'd really like to get hold of it. In practically everything I've read, the Falling Out was either not mentioned or no reason was ever given. I consider myself a student of history regarding those days & People, and if I've missed something I'd like to rectify it. Not being Snarky at all, but making an honest request for information I don't have
@@dwightcurrie8316 it was mentioned in a letter by the former new mexico territory governor that when at a restaurant Doc accused wyatt of becoming a "damn jew boy" since doc had seen him touch this thing you are supposed to when entering a jewish home So maybe for all we know the governor was told this happened and it didnt idk, but it was where wyatt and he parted ways Wyatt in his later days only ever spoke highly of Doc, so evidently he got over it. Apparently wyatt also did pull some strings to help doc out when he was arrested on trumped up charges in colorado So evidently wyatt didnt hold a grudge, but still thats apparently what doc said to him
@@ConnorNotyerbidness Thanks. It could be the actual truth, or it could be another politician insinuating him into something he knew nothing about..We'll likely never know....The rest of what you say is verifiably true
Tombstone is one of my favorite Western movies, and like many fans, I think Doc has some of the best lines. However, Doc was certainly not portrayed as "squeaky clean." In fact, he wasn't portrayed as much of a good guy at all but rather a bad guy who was loyal to his friends, who so happened to be good guys (as the video ultimately acknowledges). He's your classic antihero in the film, not a hero. The information here is interesting, but that initial premise is misleading.
After seeing this, it seems this, it appears Tombstone actually did a very good job at portraying their personalities. Doc, while not being inherently totally evil, was a rebellious outlaw who cheated and lied. However, I think it was more out of necessity, as he has no other trade to fall back on, aside from dentistry. He did have a great sense of being a great friend and helping when someone he liked/loved was in need. But he is the typical antihero....the guy who has a lot of good and bad qualities that wins you over with his charm and good side, who you end up rooting for, because you know he's not inherently evil. Wyatt, while being a mostly decent guy, was actually more driven by money throughout his ventures, and not so much his righteousness, as he never wanted to be involved in the lawman portion. Part of me thinks it's because he saw the ugly side of it, having killed a man and feeling guilty for it, but to me, it seems that if there was no monetary reward, he didn't want any involvement. The true lawmen seemed to be Earp's brothers.....good upstanding guys who genuinely cared about the well-being of the citizens around them. Although not perfect, they tried to keep the peace and keep people happy.
How was he not inherently evil? He literally shot 3 black men for using the same watering hole as him. Murderous racist who cheated people across the south.
@@TheGrumbliestPuppyThat story is Apocryphal and widely known by those who ACTUALLY know the history to have many holes in it, trust me I wish it were true because it would make him soooo much cooler if he was racist.
As Doc would say, "I beg to diffa, Sir". You said Doc was born on August 4th. Records prove Doc was born on August 14th. I found some discrepancies in your video Sir.
Not petty. Just tired of FAKE news. 10 days off Docs birthday is a LOT and it's Fay Roe. Not far row.. I think you just said ICE Clanton.... Its IKE. FAKE shit.
What I got from the movie was that doc was a gambler, heavy drinker, damm good with a gun, and very loyal to wyat..he was not a "good" guy...as what we might consider good...but he was loyal. and risked his life to fight, when it had nothing to do with him...
Yeah they like the hate on a great white man. It’s okay though cause if it wasn’t for great strong white men and weman we wouldn’t have the greatest country to ever Exist on this side of heaven
Same here....not sure why ive always has a weird fascination with his personality, the bad guy that does some good at the same time haha im always trying to learn more about him
I'm related to Doc. He's a cousin on his father's side multiple times removed. There is next to nothing in the family archive about him. Nobody realized at the time that he would be a pop culture icon one day I guess.
@@johnnychaos152 and that just adds more intrigue to him for me haha its like what was this dude about? Im sure he didnt think he was gonna be some famous mother, its either good story telling or this cat was way ahead of his time haha
Holliday was probably not much worse (or better) than the average Joe Bloggs in Tombstone. They were rough and tough times and anyone who didn't stand up for themselves would get walked all over. Tough environments often produce tough men.
Pretty sure it was his rare personality and traits that made him an intriguing person even till this day. And his personality is clearly not up for debate. He was either ahead of his time or way behind it hahaha
"Doc loved the cool, relentless logic of the cards. They had no pity or fear or doubt; they fell as they fell, and anyone who regretted or begged them or raged at them was a fool." from the novel _Territory_ by Emma Bull
why do we assume that Doc's story as a old west hero was myth or not somehow not true. if accounts are accurate, he was a sick man who nevertheless had the courage to stand with his friends (and possibly die with them) near the OK Coral. To me, risking your life to help your friends is always heroic.
They called on him often for his assistance. Bat Masterson, who called on Doc Holliday many, many times for assistance, seems to have made some negative statements in order to further his career and popularity in NYC. That reflects more poorly on Masterson than on Holliday.
@@MeanJohnDean Are you sure of that John? At time of his death Masterson was writing sports columns for a NYC newspaper. Not taking anything away from him, but he may be another example of the "legend" becoming bigger than the man.
I know it’s late response, but it’s entirely possible they didn’t think/know that having sex could lead to transferring tuberculosis or ‘consumption’ to someone at the time. The disease was poorly understood back then
@@thatbaldbeardedbastard3143 they knew how it spread but not necessarily its actual cause or how to cure it- Doc holiday stayed at a sulphur spring in colorado later in life thinking itd cure him- spoiler alert, thats one of the worst things he could have done
@@daveconrad6562 suphur is not good for your lungs. Not instantly bad that youd have to worry about it immediately, but if you have pre existing issues it will make it worse So when your lungs barely work due to being full of bacteria, which is the case with TB, it exacerbates several issues
One of the things that bugs me most with historical matters is that people assess based on the time and environment that THEY live in, and don't usually bother with historical context which is just as important as historical record. This video is essentially a brief touching-on of Roberts book on Doc Holliday, and that's fine for a biographical lecture, but for making a case of Doc's character it's woefully simplistic. You could have just as easily highlighted other factors and made a case that Doc was a great guy and hero. Unless you include everything, you're only coming up with a partial picture and that's too easily manipulated into an intended conclusion. The claim made in the title is not supported or followed up by the video, it should just be titled "A brief rundown on the life of Doc Holliday". Not as eye-catching of a title, but more honest on what information is provided in the video. Glad you used Roberts book, but True West is dangerous ground for objectivity. Fun magazine, just very opinionated on most things, and not very objective. Karen Tanner's book woul d be a better second resource.
Agreed. I hate how moderns judge people for being people of their own time. Or how they want to throw the baby out with the bath water. People wrote great books or music? Made great discoveries? Yes-- But oh, they were nationalists, imperialists or bigoted against other peoples--so lets ignore their accomplishments or genius...because, you know, Jefferson and Washington owned slaves! Yes, they did--they also thought it was wrong and doomed as an institution but knew there'd be no U.S. if it was addressed in their time, and they were risking all they had to found a new, more progressive nation first. Lincoln would have let the South keep their slaves! Yes, he would have, despite hating slavery and believing it must end someday, but first the Union must be saved so that day could come...yet they are all judged as "bad men" by many, despite being giants of their time compared to their present detractors. Who don't exactly seem to be waging war on slavery throughout the world as it remains today, I notice. I remember in Israel they banned Wagner because he was an anti Semite and the Nazi's loved him. Then many years ago a Jewish conductor shocked people by performing his work in Israel. His response? You can hate the man yet love his music. And Wagner does rock! So, yeah, exactly... Some people say Newton was a prick and maybe even killed women...So I guess we better ignore the law of gravity now. Makes sense... Not.
Agreed. People arent very good at looking at things from an outside perspective when looking at history. People are so effected by society and their own surroundings and world, so much so they dont realize it. Trying to understand someone from a hundred or thousand years ago using todays thinking just doesn't work and is foolish.
@@Benji-jj2bg except you can also judge them by the standards of that time, and the philosophical ideas that were flourishing, instead of coloring their actions with rose glasses. Reaction in the opposite way is almost always more fallacious, and is just built on nostalgia.
Dallas, Texas doesn’t have notably dry air. Drier (on average) than Georgia or Florida, but quite humid compared to Arizona or most of the other Western states.
When you're in the next County once removed that is not a suburb! And I would say that those people who have local jobs avoid Atlanta most of the time.
One of my favorite lines from the film somebody asks doc why he's riding with Wyatt Earp. Doc: He's my friend. Other dude: Hell I got plenty of friends. Doc: I don't. I think in that moment will you realize Doc Holliday's one redeeming feature, loyalty. Was he really that loyal? Only he and God knows
@@marked4death076 I think it’s fairly simple. Supposedly doc assisted wyatt during an occurrence once before. Also, they both have something they both needed. Doc went from growing up in the then animalistic side of the-then society to a university life style, which he probably started to lose that animalistic side of himself (which he then felt like he needed). Where as Wyatt came from a world that lacked intelligence and sophistication-the same that doc had developed. Together, these two shared a bond that was an “opposites attract” kind of deal. That’s what I think
@@TheBassFiend320 ya i could see that. I think they both respected each others unique traits. Shit i have almost nothing in common with my best friend now that i think about it haha
Only in the dreadful Tombstone. Wyatt refused to talk about his violent days and after leaving Arizona he and Holliday never killed anybody again . Doc never killed anybody before Tombstone fracas which didn't happen in the ok corral by the way. There's some doubt as to the man Earp as allegedly killed in Dodge since three others were firing at the same guy. Wyatt often wondered if in all the confusion he killed anybody in Tombstone either. Gunfight took thirty seconds at most. Doc did not run amok firing two pistols either. All eyewitnesses placed Doc almost out in the street with the shotgun. Tom McLaury who Doc killed was unarmed.
Well, somebody had to be the heroes and since the Earps and Holliday won the gunfight, they're the heroes. Besides, Wyatt managed to get his story on the silver screen first and we all know that if you see it in a movie, it's just got to be true. The story and legend of Doc Holliday is pure Americana! And for what it's worth, Val Kilmer should have won an Oscar for his efforts in Tombstone, period!
Actually, Earp died in 1929, two years before Wyatt Earp: Frontier Marshall was published. It wasn't until the book hit the shelves that Hollywood started messing with him.
Clothahump1 - Okay, point taken. However, I still haven't seen a movie titled, "Ike Clanton, Cowboy Rustler and guy who attended gunfights without a gun..." Earp still had his story in Hollywood first which made him the Hero, along with his brothers and, of course, Doc Holliday.
I totally agree about Kilmer winning best supporting actor. At the time in 1994, folks were surprised that he was not nominated. Out of curiosity, I looked up who was nominated and who won. I expected to find someone we have long forgotten. The winner? Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive. Hard to argue that even today, but I still wish Kilmer had been at least nominated.
As with any history there r varying reports so let's apply logic based on people, time period and circumstances. Ike Clanton, having by pretty much all accounts, called out or fueded w the Earps shows up unarmed? Doubtful if not laughable. Doc was portrayed pretty accurately in spirit in Tombstone. He was not a good guy in the movie, just a loyal friend who was a violent, intelligent infamous substance abusing, sick cheat in other facets of his life. Ringo was portrayed as a psychopath which he seemed to be historically. The river scene with Earp had other witnesses historically. Documentary? Nope. But true to events in spirit and highly entertaining? Yes indeed.
There are as many conflicting stories pertaining to Doc Holliday, all purported to be 'facts', as there are of any widely known person. Just pick the one you like and run with it.
The photo you show of "DOC" when talking about Dallas, TX ain't John Henry "Doc" Holliday, that is a man by the name John Escapule, who's great grandson Dustin "Dusty" Escapule, s the Mayor of Tombstone, AZ. Figured you folks would get facts straight before putting nonsense out, but clearly facts don't matter!
I agree, I’ve read many many books on Earp and Holliday and even the town of Tombstone. It’d be nice if this guy had. It’s a mash up of a few facts, pop cultures view of things, and his opinions all mixed together. Really lowers my opinion of this guys videos going forward.
@@comettamer If you're going to do something based on historical figures you'd better do research first. It really isn't that hard and just shows laziness on his part.
@@wysper6512 cool, i guess. My life matters to me and only me, because the truth is nobody cares about you but you, they just pretend to get what they want from you !
Wow! I’ve been reading and studying this story of doc Earp for years and still can’t make any claims as sure as this gentleman has...fact was that Wyatt was probably the only real friend doc had and back then your friends helped keep you alive- besides why would Wyatt lie about doc saving his life? There’s no claims that Wyatt or doc were saints, but doc was a hurting man with only one friend and Wyatt was a frontier lawman...he was mean and struck first to stay alive (of course Wyatt went a bit loco hunting down his brothers killers after, but calmed down after moving to California) also if Wyatt was lying about doc, he did so after they had a falling out, again why? His legend was strong enough on its own...lastly all the newspaper reporters were biased on both sides, Democrats vs Republican, was interesting because the pro republicans back Earp and Holidays story on Ok corral shoot out...ok, done nerding on for now, lol
You’re like the only person with a good interpretation. Not sure where he gets the Earp lying type story. Have read plenty of Earp biographies and accounts and have yet to heard this…. Seems he’s pulling some strings without a puppet on the end
He very well could have known him. Who are you to say what's true & untrue..."TROLLS. LeiAnne can't help that your relatives Just got off the boat and didn't live during that period.
LOVE this episode! I lived in Tombstone for several years and DAILY heard of the legend of Doc Holliday and The Earps. Very well done. I can't find anything 'factually' wrong, though, much of the facts of stories of those days in the Wild West is pretty hard to prove right or wrong. Well Done!
Some guy was looking for silver, the US government said all he'd find out there was his tombstone. Guy found silver and decided to name the town Tombstone as a bit of middle finger to thous who said he wouldn't.
+Sam Lucas & Mycel: Ed Schieffelin was the name of the prospector who discovered silver in 1879, and named the mining camp "Tombstone". Soldiers had warned Schieffelin he'd only find his own tombstone prospecting an area known for Apache attacks.
Doc Holliday a badass in my book so was Wyatt Earp! Sorry I liked guys like them! I would have loved to be back in the old west! Not many folks lived long back then! You had to be a badass back then! You had to do what you had to do what you had to, to stay alive!
Umm...Almost everybody was a racist. He was from Georgia during and after the Civil War. Earp was from Illinois. His brothers fought for the Union. Is there any doubt that Earp was a racist? TR, FDR, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G. Harding. All racists. No doubt Caesar was a racist. Probably Shakespeare as well if you'd asked him. You may as well just forget about history I guess.
feefee bee Basically, anyone born and raised prior to the great awakening of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS was, is and always will have just a wee touch of racism.
Doc used to kick her ass on a regular basis. There are several court records showing his arrests for domestic battery, two of which were actually by Virgil Earp. Doc and Kate had a very volatile relationship that turned violent quite often. They touch on it slightly in the Costner film but it is completely left out of Tombstone.
Holliday was never officially a "lawman", but helped out his pals when needed. "Lawmen" in the old west tended to be unsavory characters who were valued for their reckless courage and skills with a gun. (When they didn't simply buy the position.) Most of them switched back and forth between cop and robber as it suited them. Wild Bill was one. The Earps had a pretty checkered history in that regard.
In his role as Chief Deputy Marshal, Earp would go after famed train robber, Dave Rudabaugh, following the outlaw’s trail for 400 miles to Fort Griffin, Texas. While there, Wyatt visited the largest saloon in town, Shanssey’s, asking about Rudabaugh. Owner John Shanssey said that Rudabaugh had been there earlier in the week, but didn’t know where he was bound. He directed Wyatt to Doc Holliday who had played cards with Rudabaugh... ...When he returned, Wyatt was made the new town marshal and deputized his brother Morgan. He plagued the courts for more severe sentencing, barred certain men from the town, and organized a “citizens’ committee” of reformers to help watchdog the streets. Source: www.legendsofamerica.com/ks-dodgecity/
That's not true at all..... Doc was indeed a Deputy U.S. Marshall on several occasations in both Kansas and Arizona. Virgil was always the lawman and Wyatt was the one who Virgil would call on and deputize when he needed some muscle, Doc was the one they both called one and deputized when SHTF. This "true story" doesn't mention that the relationship between Doc and Earp's went back even further then even history says it does. during the feud Virgil was a U.S. Marshall and Wyatt and Doc were his deputies, that's why Virgil left after Morgan's murder, he was an official U.S. Marshall and couldn't take any official part in what was about to go down between Wyatt, Doc and "The Cowboys" using the guise of escorting Morgan widow and his own wife Allie, who were also cousins, back to California where they were both from but the actual reason is because he couldn't take part in what was about to happen. That's the difference between Myth and Fact. Doc was never a hero but he wasn't the villian people think he was either, By all accounts, from those who weren't either a lawman or outlaw, Doc was a decent guy who did bad things when he was forced to.
Simon Whistler is a half-assed "historian", with some truths, but also some "Twilight Zone" science-fiction ! The story of Hidalgo Francisco is a highly exaggerated fairy-tale.Yes, Major Henry B. Holliday did bring a young boy home with him at end of the Mexican War,1848 and age 13. But he evidently left the Holliday family in 1850, age 15. JOHN HENRY WAS NOT BORN UNTIL AUGUST 14, 1851. Pretty neat trick to teach someone who wasn't yet conceived how to "quick-draw" ~ Which term is also fiction, highly exaggerated by Hollywood movies. The so-called "fast-draw"was non-existent , a gunman did not "draw" a pistol, it was "pulled". And a man-killer "took his time,in a hurry". And this Englishman , Simon Whistler (who talks too fast) is a gullible fool if he believes a 13-15 year old kid could teach someone how to become "the quickest draw in the West "! LMAO ! Nor did Doc fire the first "bullet". This was most likely done by Wyatt Earp who knew Frank McLaury was the deadlier gunman among the Clanton gang, so fired on him first. Doc's first 2 shots were not bullets , but buckshot loads from his shotgun, killing Tom McLaury.Total kills by Wyatt never exceeded 4-5, whereas Doc's numbered about 5-6. What made Doc Holliday the deadliest gunman of the West, was the fact that he was dying of "consumption" (TB), and didn't care if he might die in a shootout ~ but he would take you with him, which was a HUGE psychological advantage over any gunman who fought to live. It was scary as hell to buck a man who did not care if he lived or died ! Doc may not have been "a hero", but was certainly NOT an outlaw or badman. Btw , Doc did NOT kill any young Blacks swimming in the Withlacoochee River, in Georgia. He fired over their heads to scare them off. The story of several killed and many wounded was a fabrication by Bat Masterson, fond of telling tall tales and who personally disliked Doc, (and impossible to do with a six-shot revolver! )
I have seen this movie many times and enjoy it more and more each time I watch it. I also went to Tombstone, Arizona and stayed several days to see the sights. Going into the Bird Cage was a very creepy experience. I felt I was being watched the whole time I was in it. I also bought a $10.00 Bird Cage coin as a souvenir. Great movie and a great town with history to visit.
This is great. Some British liberal re-writing our history for us while conveniently discrediting an American legend. What does this clown know? He acts like he was around in the 1800s.
You've clearly have never seen the movie. Doc Holliday isn't exactly a good guy in the movie. He stabs a man over a card game, then proceeds to steal the saloon's money in his first scene. The next scene he has fun intimidating a man who's about to shoot Wyatt with a shotgun. There's more than one scene where he's drunk, and it's pretty obvious that he has no problems with killing people. Tombstone really portrays him as gunslinger with a terminal illness, who has nothing to lose. Which is basically what he was. Doc's I don't give a shit way of thinking, is what made him so dangerous and often times unpredictable. Doc Holliday wasn't exactly a good guy, but he wasn't completely evil either. He had a sense of loyalty, which is why he backed up Wyatt Earp so much. Wyatt Earp wasn't squeaky clean either. I mean he basically murdered anyone and everyone connected to the murder of his brother Morgan.
They say when Vel Kilmer found out he got the roll of Doc. he studied Doc's history, mannerisms and personality so he could get him as right as possible. So if you watched the film you probably seen Doc holaday as close as anyone ever portrayed him.
I don't know what is worse. Getting my teeth pulled with garden tools (joking) back in the day or having a doctor cough liquid death every time that he he got close to my face.
Deadwood is one of the the first things I saw that portrayed Wyatt Earp in a less than positive light. Apparently, Virgil was the more upstanding Lawman. A lot of these famous figures of the Old West were more... complicated (read, morally ambiguous) personalities than often portrayed in the past. Look up Lawmen who were also outlaws sometime.
"I'm here huckleberry. ...Why Johnny Ringo; you look like somebody just walked over your grave." It was at that moment Johnny knew he was about to die. Wait, it was. "Play for blood, remember?" Ah, I was just funnin about. "I wasn't." No no, wait. It was, 'Say when." What a great movie.
sum body “I’m here huckleberry “ makes no sense. “Huckleberry” means “man for the job “ or “man you’re looking for “. The line is “I’m YOUR huckleberry”.
Doc was a 19th century Georgia man & probably confirmed to local "custom." As to whether he was a racist, we'll never know. It's possible he may've been anti-semitic (not uncommon in those days.) Having allegedly once called Wyatt a "Jew-Boy" for taking up with Josie Marcus. I agree while he may've been a bit "over the top" at times, Kilmer was great as "Doc" & should've gotten an award. Don't recall his name offhand, but also kudos to the actor who portrayed John Ringo.
n. p. Kate deserves an episode on this channel. She remarried, divorced, ran a bakery and at the age of 80 went into an old people's home ( which she virtually ended up running) . She died in 1940, 5 days before her 90th birthday. The photo in this video shows her at 50.
Very cool. Love your channels. I don't know how many you have but I'm subscribed to this one and the one where you cover biographies. Great stuff! Keep it up!
I think it's funny how Johnny Ringo never faced off against Holiday. The only thing that happened between Ringo and Holiday was Holiday stopped an argument between Earp and Ringo.
My great great great (?)grandmother said she’d rather have her teeth rot than have Doc work on her teeth. Her husband was the supreme court justice Fletcher Doan.. he was the judge on Pearl Hart case.
Great history lesson....with exception that you're speaking way too fast. It sounds like you want to get what you want to say done and over with as fast as possible
Well, shucks pard. You got the year of Doc's birth correct. FAR-oh (spelled Faro) is pronounced FARE-oh. Incidentally, finding truth in TRUE WEST magazine is like finding a needle in a haystack.
True that the game faro is pronounced like "pharaoh " in Egypt, ~ and True West magazine is mostly full of truth on the Old West. Btw, a lot of books print a photo of a fat, ugly woman and say it's Doc's on-again-off-again lover Mary Katherine "Big Nose Kate" Harony from Hungary. AKA "Kate Fisher"/aka "Kate Elder'/aka "Kate Holliday"~ BUT IT IS NOT HER ! KATE HARONY WAS SLENDER AND RATHER PRETTY. She got the nickname from being nosy about other people's business, NOT because of having a large nose. Ironically, the fat & ugly one was a brothel madam called "Nosy Kate"~ and she DID have a large nose !
The man in the picture at 3:59 is not Doc Holliday. It’s John Escapule, he was a Tombstone citizen during the same time Doc Holliday was. His great grandson Dusty Escapule is the current mayor of Tombstone. Source: truewestmagazine.com/john-escapule1/ It’s also widely accepted among historians that Doc was not a deadly shot. Not even a little bit. He was known to be a horrible shot. It is speculated that this is why he was given the shotgun prior to the famous shootout on Fremont St. It’s hard to miss with a shotgun. He also is confirmed to have only ever killed one man: Tom McLaury. Anything else has never been confirmed, and for the most part, not even accepted.
All the sceptic tanks banging on about how would a Brit know. In the UK we study history, geography outside our own Country. That's why we can talk about and point to other Countries on a map. You lot should try it sometimes.
I grew up 10 miles away from Glenwood Springs where he died. We used to hike up to his grave all the time. But where they say his grace is and where the monument is isn't actually where he's buried. They don't know where his actual burial site is and think it's actually probably in someone's backyard.
I think they knew where Doc is buried, they just don't want anyone to go and start digging around for the guy. (I was passing through Glenwood Springs and paid my respects to the man.) You don't mention the two hundred foot climb to Linwood Cemetery up the side of the canyon. For a flatlander like me, I was huffing by the time I got to the cemetery. You guys don't have any oxygen at 6000-7000 feet... :-)
Backroad Junkie hahaha!!! Yeah you get used to it. I lived in Carbondale for years. But being born in Denver, 5,280 feet above sea level I'm just used to thin air. I moved to Puerto Rico and I feel like I'm drowning!
It's Linwood Cemetery on a hill on the east side of Glenwood Springs . While Doc was buried there the theory is that most of the bodies there were washed away in the 40's or 50's. So it is possible that he could be anywhere from Palmer street to Lake Mead. You can try to find him and you're a daisy if you do. The hike is steep to reach his memorial, but it's worth it . Living in GWS and New Castle I have hiked it many times and it never stops being cool to do.
Doc Holliday was born on August 14th 1851 58 seconds into your video and no need to watch anymore. If you can't get the man's DOB right I'm sure everything else is false to
Why O why does everything have to be rushed through these days.. A slower pace of life involves people actually think and use their brains more.. Slow down or just captions.
I think wyatt had a bad side that made him relate and respect doc....i think doc had a good side that he could relate to wyatt....and that breeds respect and then loyalty. Also a badass duo
One of those weird coincidences where I was talking about this guy a few hours before you uploaded the video. Complete with Val Kilmer impersonations of course.
Doc was a real dentist, but didn't care for it...he moved west, became the gunslinger we know, and didn't care what anyone thought...he really was friends with Wyatt and thought the world of him...
I‘ve read several bios of the Earps and Doc, and they all said that Doc loved being a dentist. Medicine, the military, law and politics were among the few professions that were socially acceptable for members of prominent Southern families in the post-Civil War era. Former slave-owning families now had to find other ways to make a living, yet were still conscious of their social status, so Doc was in a good place as a dentist. As Little Miss Dysthymia said, he left dentistry and Georgia because of his illness and a desire to prolong his life in a dry climate, not because he didn’t care for his profession. From what I remember, had even written a paper about dental diseases. However, having lived there for many uears, while Dallas may be drier than southern Georgia, nobody should move there expecting a dry climate.
@Vincent Gonzales Wyatt and Doc met for the last time in 1885, two years before Doc's death, when they ran into each other in a hotel in Colorado. By this time Doc was already in very bad shape and Wyatt was devastated because knew he would never see Doc again.
@@victorbrunswick id like to hear more about that meeting....i know in the movie wyatt came to see him that one last time. Always wondered if doc actually told him to leave him alone
@learn2 farm i think he just didnt like the ones who lived to kill and bully so he would fuck with their heads a bit, but probably wasnt ever looking to hurt anyone
Doc was NOT a great gunfighter either. He once shot a prone enemy hitting him in the foot. At least once he shot a bystander. In Ft Worth he was in a shooting and hit only air. No fear of dying likely made him a feared opponent.
Doc Holliday was a killer, but he was not a professional gunman. They never faced off against one another, but many believed if he & Ringo had, Holiday would've been shot to pieces. We'll never know. Scene where Earp says to Holiday regarding Ringo, "I can't take him can I"? Is pure hollyweird "phantasy." It is reported that Wyatt considered Ringo the "most dangerous" man in Tombstone next to "Curly Bill," but this could've been all speculation.
Now that you know all about the real "Doc" Holliday check out this video and find out Why Tuberculosis was Called “Consumption”:
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Today I Found Out thought it was about eating to much
Hey bro ! You should do john wesley hardin
Hey dumbass this ain't no joke John Henry Holliday or Doc Holliday who happened to be a licensed dentist is actually my great-uncle a great great uncle the holidays a part of my clan and yes doc wouldn't exactly a good guy per se but he was a good guy to a point he wasn't that bad it's also why I'm related to the Harden's you know John Wesley Hardin now he was a bad guy so before you start putting somebody's family down better do some research and make sure they have no relatives you English piece of s***
@@randyhutchinson9910 its called Consumption because it consumes the person from the inside out and that water hole thing happened when he was young not an adult and he shot into the air nobody was killed nor did he intend to he shot up high into the air as he was taught also the Ed Bailey stabbing seems to not be true either but if it was its self defense
Hey dumbass. Shut the fuck up. No one cares about your bullshit stories
How val kilmer didnt win a oscar for playing Doc Holiday is beyond me.
Charles Surber he was robbed.
The Oscars are all rigged. Besides, who watches the Oscars anymore anyways?
All day long he chewed up the scenery and owned that movie.
He wasn’t even nominated. I think partially because of the late release date of the movie.
First i didn't know you were that old. Second what the hell does a brit know about it
.i have read at least half dozen books on him. He is from my hometown and seems to me he was just a guy that was dealt a s$#t hand in life and tried to make the best of it
Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer were an unbeatable team. By far the best Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday on the silver screen.
Kathryn Molesa I really like Dennis Quaids version too. Hard pick between those two versions of Doc.
When Val Kilmer does the tin cup pistolero, he is my Huckleberry.
Kathryn Molesa They were extremely better than Kevin Costner’s “Wyatt Earp” movie! That was nothing more than 1990’s Political Correctness!
@@marck8899 Rather than try to decide which doc holiday was better, Kilmer or Quaid, I agree with you Marc, let's just enjoy the fact that we were able to have two amazing actors play two similar but different versions of the flamboyant and notorious character, so we had two doc holidays to follow on the adventure!!
Sorry no lady must say they did fine but the best was the performance by Henry Fonda and Victor Mature no doubt about that
Loved the Val Kilmer portrayal of Doc.
Gary Kolo agreed! Kilmer was brilliant. His performance was Oscar-worthy, and it was a huge oversight by Hollywood to not recognize it as such. One of the best method acting performances to this day.
It may have been more entertaining, but Dennis Quaid's portrayal was more realistic. Kilmer was far too charismatic for a man with only one friend.
Gary Kolo oscar worthy! He got screwed...
johnnytweed ha! I just said so myself! What a fine portrayal!!!
Me too ! The BEST "Doc Holliday " ever ! He should have gotten "Best Supporting Actor" for that ! Likewise, Kurt Russell was best " Wyatt Berry Stapp Earp " portrayal ! And Powers Booth was superb as "Curly Bill Brocious" !
Doc did not "go on the run to avoid trouble!" He headed west for his health. The doctor told him that he had to go to a drier climate for his TB, if he wanted to live longer. GEEEEZZZZZ!!!!
Yes.
That whole "Shooting a Black Man at a Swimming Hole" was just Bullshit, but made for Good Copy for Trash In Print Rags of that day and current ones as well.
Nowhere near an Angel, but not a Man who would not hesitate to commit the Premeditated Murder of an unarmed Man...Black or White.
Of course it is well known All We Georgians are Outright & Avowed Racists who still today are just aching to Murder A Black Person.
It's been In All The Papers, Dontchaknow
@@dwightcurrie8316 just saying doc wasnt beyond being racist
For god sake his big falling out with wyatt was over the fact wyatt fell in love with a jewish woman. He called wyatt a "damn jew boy"
Doc Holliday was a product of his time and where he lived
Oh sure he probably didnt kill the black guy as this person said- really we only know of 2 people he killed. He did injure tons of people
But to say that Doc Holliday wasnt a racist, least by todays standards granted, is simply not true. Not gonna run his story through the streets over it though
Doc was a complicated man, and the least worrisome thing about him was his views on non pure white people, compared to his penchant for stabbing or shooting people out of the hope theyd return the favor
@@ConnorNotyerbidness; Fair point that a Son Of Privilege in Georgia at that time was almost by definition a Racist of one form or another & by today's standards Everybody, Southern or not was a Racist.
The "Falling Out" with Wyatt was over Josie being Jewish, I've never heard or read anywhere before about that being the cause & would think it was something more serious than that,. Also with Kate being Hungarian and most likely Jewish also adds to my confusion.......but who knows.
If you've got a source for that I'd really like to get hold of it. In practically everything I've read, the Falling Out was either not mentioned or no reason was ever given. I consider myself a student of history regarding those days & People, and if I've missed something I'd like to rectify it.
Not being Snarky at all, but making an honest request for information I don't have
@@dwightcurrie8316 it was mentioned in a letter by the former new mexico territory governor that when at a restaurant Doc accused wyatt of becoming a "damn jew boy" since doc had seen him touch this thing you are supposed to when entering a jewish home
So maybe for all we know the governor was told this happened and it didnt idk, but it was where wyatt and he parted ways
Wyatt in his later days only ever spoke highly of Doc, so evidently he got over it. Apparently wyatt also did pull some strings to help doc out when he was arrested on trumped up charges in colorado
So evidently wyatt didnt hold a grudge, but still thats apparently what doc said to him
@@ConnorNotyerbidness Thanks. It could be the actual truth, or it could be another politician insinuating him into something he knew nothing about..We'll likely never know....The rest of what you say is verifiably true
Tombstone is one of my favorite Western movies, and like many fans, I think Doc has some of the best lines. However, Doc was certainly not portrayed as "squeaky clean." In fact, he wasn't portrayed as much of a good guy at all but rather a bad guy who was loyal to his friends, who so happened to be good guys (as the video ultimately acknowledges). He's your classic antihero in the film, not a hero. The information here is interesting, but that initial premise is misleading.
Daniel C I think the movie showed he was a good person but he was tough he never killed a innocent good citizen
THIS^ So much THIS. "Antihero" is the word that PERFECTLY describes Holliday....
The real Doc was no Daisy.
Even the squeaky clean 1950's re-tellings depicted Holliday as a bit of a scoundrel.
Yes but they leave out the murder black ppl for a reason
I appreciate Val Kilmer as a great actor and his Doc Holliday was fabulous.
Something weird about a British man giving me American history.
he relly sucked at American western history.
America it's not country it's a continental
To Brazil to Alaska that's the American continental
Okay , substitute "America" with United States. Feel better ?
Sure, because only Americans have access to American history books.
@@MrBeard2 If they did so what? It's not like they are going to read them.
After seeing this, it seems this, it appears Tombstone actually did a very good job at portraying their personalities. Doc, while not being inherently totally evil, was a rebellious outlaw who cheated and lied.
However, I think it was more out of necessity, as he has no other trade to fall back on, aside from dentistry. He did have a great sense of being a great friend and helping when someone he liked/loved was in need. But he is the typical antihero....the guy who has a lot of good and bad qualities that wins you over with his charm and good side, who you end up rooting for, because you know he's not inherently evil.
Wyatt, while being a mostly decent guy, was actually more driven by money throughout his ventures, and not so much his righteousness, as he never wanted to be involved in the lawman portion. Part of me thinks it's because he saw the ugly side of it, having killed a man and feeling guilty for it, but to me, it seems that if there was no monetary reward, he didn't want any involvement.
The true lawmen seemed to be Earp's brothers.....good upstanding guys who genuinely cared about the well-being of the citizens around them. Although not perfect, they tried to keep the peace and keep people happy.
How was he not inherently evil? He literally shot 3 black men for using the same watering hole as him. Murderous racist who cheated people across the south.
@@TheGrumbliestPuppyThat story is Apocryphal and widely known by those who ACTUALLY know the history to have many holes in it, trust me I wish it were true because it would make him soooo much cooler if he was racist.
As Doc would say, "I beg to diffa, Sir". You said Doc was born on August 4th. Records prove Doc was born on August 14th. I found some discrepancies in your video Sir.
alas the video ignore the fact and gave false information to 700,000 viewers.
Being off by 10 days isn’t that much of a discrepancy. That’s a bit petty don’t ya think?
Not petty. Just tired of FAKE news. 10 days off Docs birthday is a LOT and it's Fay Roe. Not far row.. I think you just said ICE Clanton.... Its IKE. FAKE shit.
@@1024truck Yea.. I think he did say ICE Clanton... What an Idiot.
Yea like the way he says “ faro”. It’s Fay-ro. Not far-ro.
Tombstone did not make Doc seem squeaky clean at all! Actually far from it.. LOL!
"I have not yet begun to defile myself...."
Agreed!
What I got from the movie was that doc was a gambler, heavy drinker, damm good with a gun, and very loyal to wyat..he was not a "good" guy...as what we might consider good...but he was loyal. and risked his life to fight, when it had nothing to do with him...
Neither did Wyatt Earp
"I know, let's have a spelling contest!"
Whhy Johnny Ringo you look like someone walked all over yo' grave - still my favorite line in a movie of all time -cold a** s**t to tell somebody😎
*_"Poor soul, he was just too high-strung..."_*
I'm your huckleberry
The strain was just more than he could bear.
*Ain't that a daisy.*
“Now I really hate him”.
; I never got the impression that "Doc. Holliday" was "squeaky clean".
We must source our word definitions from different dictionaries.
It was a tough neighborhood with tough players . No time for namby palmy. No Metro males there !!
I love how he talks about historical accounts being so hard to find yet discredits Wyatt and Doc so easily
Retro Stuffin brit
There are dozens of readily available accounts that talk about how Doc was crooked and Earp wasn’t much better.
@@lynnerose7891 Probably told by some bad Faro players.
Yeah they like the hate on a great white man. It’s okay though cause if it wasn’t for great strong white men and weman we wouldn’t have the greatest country to ever Exist on this side of heaven
@@operator8470 everyone talking or being talked about is white, what the fuck are you smoking hillbilly?
My favorite movie. I could watch it every day just to see Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holliday. He should have had an Oscar!!!
I’m your huckleberry.
I've been researching Doc for decades. This synopsis is very slanted.
Same here....not sure why ive always has a weird fascination with his personality, the bad guy that does some good at the same time haha im always trying to learn more about him
I'm related to Doc. He's a cousin on his father's side multiple times removed. There is next to nothing in the family archive about him. Nobody realized at the time that he would be a pop culture icon one day I guess.
@@johnnychaos152 and that just adds more intrigue to him for me haha its like what was this dude about? Im sure he didnt think he was gonna be some famous mother, its either good story telling or this cat was way ahead of his time haha
A slanted presentation of an alpha male by a beta male? Noooo
This group, doc Holliday, Wyatt Earp make the younger and billy the kid look like altar boys.
Holliday was probably not much worse (or better) than the average Joe Bloggs in Tombstone.
They were rough and tough times and anyone who didn't stand up for themselves would get walked all over. Tough environments often produce tough men.
j4d3 goat And women. Many Eastern gentlepersons moved West to find themselves very different people, stronger than they'd expected.
Pretty sure it was his rare personality and traits that made him an intriguing person even till this day. And his personality is clearly not up for debate. He was either ahead of his time or way behind it hahaha
"Doc loved the cool, relentless logic of the cards. They had no pity or fear or doubt; they fell as they fell, and anyone who regretted or begged them or raged at them was a fool." from the novel _Territory_ by Emma Bull
Damn O'Driscolls!
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Dam cowboys more like it
why do we assume that Doc's story as a old west hero was myth or not somehow not true. if accounts are accurate, he was a sick man who nevertheless had the courage to stand with his friends (and possibly die with them) near the OK Coral. To me, risking your life to help your friends is always heroic.
They called on him often for his assistance. Bat Masterson, who called on Doc Holliday many, many times for assistance, seems to have made some negative statements in order to further his career and popularity in NYC. That reflects more poorly on Masterson than on Holliday.
@@kayc2579 Masterson was a newspaper writer in Los Angeles.
@@MeanJohnDean Are you sure of that John? At time of his death Masterson was writing sports columns for a NYC newspaper. Not taking anything away from him, but he may be another example of the "legend" becoming bigger than the man.
@@a.leemorrisjr.9255 Good point. I believe Doc is a classic example of “when the legend becomes fact, print the legend”.
He also murdered on a whim and scammed people out of their money. Hes not a hero, just a good friend to have.
It impressed me that he carried a cup for his own use. I'd like to think he did that so as not to give others TB.
Yet he was also known for sleeping around- go figure
I know it’s late response, but it’s entirely possible they didn’t think/know that having sex could lead to transferring tuberculosis or ‘consumption’ to someone at the time. The disease was poorly understood back then
@@thatbaldbeardedbastard3143 they knew how it spread but not necessarily its actual cause or how to cure it- Doc holiday stayed at a sulphur spring in colorado later in life thinking itd cure him- spoiler alert, thats one of the worst things he could have done
@@ConnorNotyerbidness why was it bad?
@@daveconrad6562 suphur is not good for your lungs. Not instantly bad that youd have to worry about it immediately, but if you have pre existing issues it will make it worse
So when your lungs barely work due to being full of bacteria, which is the case with TB, it exacerbates several issues
One of the things that bugs me most with historical matters is that people assess based on the time and environment that THEY live in, and don't usually bother with historical context which is just as important as historical record.
This video is essentially a brief touching-on of Roberts book on Doc Holliday, and that's fine for a biographical lecture, but for making a case of Doc's character it's woefully simplistic. You could have just as easily highlighted other factors and made a case that Doc was a great guy and hero. Unless you include everything, you're only coming up with a partial picture and that's too easily manipulated into an intended conclusion.
The claim made in the title is not supported or followed up by the video, it should just be titled "A brief rundown on the life of Doc Holliday". Not as eye-catching of a title, but more honest on what information is provided in the video.
Glad you used Roberts book, but True West is dangerous ground for objectivity. Fun magazine, just very opinionated on most things, and not very objective. Karen Tanner's book woul d be a better second resource.
Agreed. I hate how moderns judge people for being people of their own time. Or how they want to throw the baby out with the bath water. People wrote great books or music? Made great discoveries? Yes-- But oh, they were nationalists, imperialists or bigoted against other peoples--so lets ignore their accomplishments or genius...because, you know, Jefferson and Washington owned slaves! Yes, they did--they also thought it was wrong and doomed as an institution but knew there'd be no U.S. if it was addressed in their time, and they were risking all they had to found a new, more progressive nation first. Lincoln would have let the South keep their slaves! Yes, he would have, despite hating slavery and believing it must end someday, but first the Union must be saved so that day could come...yet they are all judged as "bad men" by many, despite being giants of their time compared to their present detractors. Who don't exactly seem to be waging war on slavery throughout the world as it remains today, I notice.
I remember in Israel they banned Wagner because he was an anti Semite and the Nazi's loved him. Then many years ago a Jewish conductor shocked people by performing his work in Israel. His response? You can hate the man yet love his music. And Wagner does rock! So, yeah, exactly...
Some people say Newton was a prick and maybe even killed women...So I guess we better ignore the law of gravity now. Makes sense...
Not.
Great you get a cookie. Tell us more about your uncles daddy’s best friends past to make your pathetic present life seem more cool.
Agreed. People arent very good at looking at things from an outside perspective when looking at history. People are so effected by society and their own surroundings and world, so much so they dont realize it. Trying to understand someone from a hundred or thousand years ago using todays thinking just doesn't work and is foolish.
@@majinvegeta7381 Who were you replying to?
@@Benji-jj2bg except you can also judge them by the standards of that time, and the philosophical ideas that were flourishing, instead of coloring their actions with rose glasses. Reaction in the opposite way is almost always more fallacious, and is just built on nostalgia.
Dallas, Texas doesn’t have notably dry air. Drier (on average) than Georgia or Florida, but quite humid compared to Arizona or most of the other Western states.
Gary Cooper Is your name really Gary Cooper? --The Newsroom
Gary Cooper, it really is pretty humid. I lived there for a little over a decade. I can confirm that, and Arizona really is hot as all blazes.
Dallas was the last railroad stop west from Atlanta.
If you think Dallas is humid, try Houston.
Depends on the time of year, and the day of the week.
I'm you huckleberry.
The strain was too much to bear.....
Doc Holliday "your"
Let's have a spelling contest
Why?
sum body it’s I’m your huckleberry according to the script
Griffin is my hometown. They still have a Doc Holiday festival every year.
Had a cig with him
That's awesome
The fine folks of Griffin, Georgia were coughing up blood when you said it is a suburb of Atlanta.
Folks outside Georgia think everywhere in Georgia is a suburb of Alanta and that Atlanta itself is a suburb of the Coca Cola plant. ;)
Technically true: "...or as a separate residential community within commuting distance of a city."
It kind of is though. I grew up in nearby Jackson, and it’s beginning to be swallowed up by the big city, too.
Amen.
When you're in the next County once removed that is not a suburb! And I would say that those people who have local jobs avoid Atlanta most of the time.
One of my favorite lines from the film somebody asks doc why he's riding with Wyatt Earp.
Doc: He's my friend.
Other dude: Hell I got plenty of friends.
Doc: I don't.
I think in that moment will you realize Doc Holliday's one redeeming feature, loyalty. Was he really that loyal? Only he and God knows
I think that Doc Holliday was pretty loyal to Wyatt Earp.
Well he was to wyatt.....thats one well known fact. For what real reason is what id like to know.
@@marked4death076 I think it’s fairly simple. Supposedly doc assisted wyatt during an occurrence once before. Also, they both have something they both needed. Doc went from growing up in the then animalistic side of the-then society to a university life style, which he probably started to lose that animalistic side of himself (which he then felt like he needed). Where as Wyatt came from a world that lacked intelligence and sophistication-the same that doc had developed. Together, these two shared a bond that was an “opposites attract” kind of deal. That’s what I think
@@TheBassFiend320 ya i could see that. I think they both respected each others unique traits. Shit i have almost nothing in common with my best friend now that i think about it haha
Yea.. That part brought tears to my eyes. Doc has MILLIONS of friends, even today.
So you're saying that on at least two occasions, tuberculosis took a Holliday.
Too soon!
Could have been a vacation.
Good pun!
@@shawngilliland243 He is a very punny guy u know
Your no Daisy.
Earp & Holliday are still American badasses, regardless of the "stylizing" of their stories.
Only in the dreadful Tombstone. Wyatt refused to talk about his violent days and after leaving Arizona he and Holliday never killed anybody again . Doc never killed anybody before Tombstone fracas which didn't happen in the ok corral by the way. There's some doubt as to the man Earp as allegedly killed in Dodge since three others were firing at the same guy. Wyatt often wondered if in all the confusion he killed anybody in Tombstone either. Gunfight took thirty seconds at most. Doc did not run amok firing two pistols either. All eyewitnesses placed Doc almost out in the street with the shotgun. Tom McLaury who Doc killed was unarmed.
The dry air of Dallas... I live 20 miles away from Dallas and today 10/14/2019 its 94% humidity, not very dry.
Well, somebody had to be the heroes and since the Earps and Holliday won the gunfight, they're the heroes. Besides, Wyatt managed to get his story on the silver screen first and we all know that if you see it in a movie, it's just got to be true. The story and legend of Doc Holliday is pure Americana!
And for what it's worth, Val Kilmer should have won an Oscar for his efforts in Tombstone, period!
Actually, Earp died in 1929, two years before Wyatt Earp: Frontier Marshall was published. It wasn't until the book hit the shelves that Hollywood started messing with him.
Clothahump1 - Okay, point taken. However, I still haven't seen a movie titled, "Ike Clanton, Cowboy Rustler and guy who attended gunfights without a gun..."
Earp still had his story in Hollywood first which made him the Hero, along with his brothers and, of course, Doc Holliday.
I totally agree about Kilmer winning best supporting actor. At the time in 1994, folks were surprised that he was not nominated. Out of curiosity, I looked up who was nominated and who won. I expected to find someone we have long forgotten. The winner? Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive. Hard to argue that even today, but I still wish Kilmer had been at least nominated.
As with any history there r varying reports so let's apply logic based on people, time period and circumstances. Ike Clanton, having by pretty much all accounts, called out or fueded w the Earps shows up unarmed? Doubtful if not laughable. Doc was portrayed pretty accurately in spirit in Tombstone. He was not a good guy in the movie, just a loyal friend who was a violent, intelligent infamous substance abusing, sick cheat in other facets of his life. Ringo was portrayed as a psychopath which he seemed to be historically. The river scene with Earp had other witnesses historically. Documentary? Nope. But true to events in spirit and highly entertaining? Yes indeed.
@@srdargo1488 i do not see Val portraying him as bad
There are as many conflicting stories pertaining to Doc Holliday, all purported to be 'facts', as there are of any widely known person. Just pick the one you like and run with it.
The photo you show of "DOC" when talking about Dallas, TX ain't John Henry "Doc" Holliday, that is a man by the name John Escapule, who's great grandson Dustin "Dusty" Escapule, s the Mayor of Tombstone, AZ. Figured you folks would get facts straight before putting nonsense out, but clearly facts don't matter!
Sort of an overreaction, yeah? I mean, everyone's bound to get one thing wrong here or there.
TC Austin CKY Fact lives Matter!
I agree, I’ve read many many books on Earp and Holliday and even the town of Tombstone. It’d be nice if this guy had. It’s a mash up of a few facts, pop cultures view of things, and his opinions all mixed together. Really lowers my opinion of this guys videos going forward.
@@comettamer If you're going to do something based on historical figures you'd better do research first. It really isn't that hard and just shows laziness on his part.
@@wysper6512 cool, i guess. My life matters to me and only me, because the truth is nobody cares about you but you, they just pretend to get what they want from you !
He wasn't "squeaky clean" in the movie😂😂
Exactly as I've always known him as, wouldnt change a thing either. Hes a legend
"They know my name!"
-'Arkansas' Dave Rutebaugh
Dave Rodebaughs head was cut off in Mexico
Im real happy for ya dave
Wow! I’ve been reading and studying this story of doc Earp for years and still can’t make any claims as sure as this gentleman has...fact was that Wyatt was probably the only real friend doc had and back then your friends helped keep you alive- besides why would Wyatt lie about doc saving his life? There’s no claims that Wyatt or doc were saints, but doc was a hurting man with only one friend and Wyatt was a frontier lawman...he was mean and struck first to stay alive (of course Wyatt went a bit loco hunting down his brothers killers after, but calmed down after moving to California) also if Wyatt was lying about doc, he did so after they had a falling out, again why? His legend was strong enough on its own...lastly all the newspaper reporters were biased on both sides, Democrats vs Republican, was interesting because the pro republicans back Earp and Holidays story on Ok corral shoot out...ok, done nerding on for now, lol
You’re like the only person with a good interpretation. Not sure where he gets the Earp lying type story. Have read plenty of Earp biographies and accounts and have yet to heard this…. Seems he’s pulling some strings without a puppet on the end
"Wyatt, I am rolling"
Ringo: "Are you retired too"? Doc: "Not me. I'm in my prime"
Where’s Wyatt? Doc: “Down by the creek. Walking on water.”
Started out fine. Got an incurable lung condition. Became an invincible gunman gambler and friend. Ended sad but fine.
Val Kilmer played that part Dynamite !
My Great Grandfather knew Doc before his illness. Said he was a polite, kind, smart gentleman. And his Parents were nice and respectable
And my GF Kate is his ex. She says my revolver slinging skills are on par with Doc's
LeiAnne Stevens doc is a second cousin removed four or five times to me
He very well could have known him. Who are you to say what's true & untrue..."TROLLS. LeiAnne can't help that your relatives Just got off the boat and didn't live during that period.
LeiAnne SW did they ever mention him being a gun men
you must be 200 years old
"I'm your Huckleberry..."
Then again, you may be the antichrist.
ladyrose1993 - Best quote in the movie 😀
ladyrose1993 amen
No no huckleberry..
Gee zz
Huckle bearer...
LOVE this episode!
I lived in Tombstone for several years and DAILY heard of the legend of Doc Holliday and The Earps.
Very well done. I can't find anything 'factually' wrong, though, much of the facts of stories of those days in the Wild West is pretty hard to prove right or wrong. Well Done!
Some guy was looking for silver, the US government said all he'd find out there was his tombstone. Guy found silver and decided to name the town Tombstone as a bit of middle finger to thous who said he wouldn't.
+Sam Lucas & Mycel: Ed Schieffelin was the name of the prospector who discovered silver in 1879, and named the mining camp "Tombstone".
Soldiers had warned Schieffelin he'd only find his own tombstone prospecting an area known for Apache attacks.
How old are you
He is my ancestor and I’m damn proud to be a descendent of the great Doc Holliday
thats fucking badass
We are all related.
I've seen your comments on other Doc Holliday videos and I believe you! Must feel very cool!
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Doc had no offspring.
Doc Holiday was the best performance of Kilmer's career, and proves the movie award system is horseshit as he didn't get an oscar for it
Doc Holliday a badass in my book so was Wyatt Earp! Sorry I liked guys like them! I would have loved to be back in the old west! Not many folks lived long back then! You had to be a badass back then! You had to do what you had to do what you had to, to stay alive!
So doc was racist...I'm never watching tombstone again
Umm...Almost everybody was a racist. He was from Georgia during and after the Civil War.
Earp was from Illinois. His brothers fought for the Union. Is there any doubt that Earp was a racist?
TR, FDR, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G. Harding. All racists.
No doubt Caesar was a racist. Probably Shakespeare as well if you'd asked him.
You may as well just forget about history I guess.
feefee bee
Basically, anyone born and raised prior to the great awakening of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS was, is and always will have just a wee touch of racism.
Kate was far better looking in the movie Tombstone.
That photo is of Kate many years after Doc was dead, when she was middle-aged, and no doubt much fatter than she'd been when she was young.
Well, everybody in the film was better looking than their real world counterpart.
Doc used to kick her ass on a regular basis. There are several court records showing his arrests for domestic battery, two of which were actually by Virgil Earp. Doc and Kate had a very volatile relationship that turned violent quite often. They touch on it slightly in the Costner film but it is completely left out of Tombstone.
Rowdy Yates
That wasn't Big Nose Kate in their photo. It was a madam in a brothel also called Kate.
Another documentary said that Doc shot into the air during that swimming hole encounter
Holliday was never officially a "lawman", but helped out his pals when needed. "Lawmen" in the old west tended to be unsavory characters who were valued for their reckless courage and skills with a gun. (When they didn't simply buy the position.) Most of them switched back and forth between cop and robber as it suited them. Wild Bill was one. The Earps had a pretty checkered history in that regard.
Also Curly Bill and Frank Stilwell were deputies for Sheriff Behan at one time.
In his role as Chief Deputy Marshal, Earp would go after famed train robber, Dave Rudabaugh, following the outlaw’s trail for 400 miles to Fort Griffin, Texas. While there, Wyatt visited the largest saloon in town, Shanssey’s, asking about Rudabaugh. Owner John Shanssey said that Rudabaugh had been there earlier in the week, but didn’t know where he was bound. He directed Wyatt to Doc Holliday who had played cards with Rudabaugh... ...When he returned, Wyatt was made the new town marshal and deputized his brother Morgan. He plagued the courts for more severe sentencing, barred certain men from the town, and organized a “citizens’ committee” of reformers to help watchdog the streets.
Source: www.legendsofamerica.com/ks-dodgecity/
That's not true at all..... Doc was indeed a Deputy U.S. Marshall on several occasations in both Kansas and Arizona. Virgil was always the lawman and Wyatt was the one who Virgil would call on and deputize when he needed some muscle, Doc was the one they both called one and deputized when SHTF. This "true story" doesn't mention that the relationship between Doc and Earp's went back even further then even history says it does. during the feud Virgil was a U.S. Marshall and Wyatt and Doc were his deputies, that's why Virgil left after Morgan's murder, he was an official U.S. Marshall and couldn't take any official part in what was about to go down between Wyatt, Doc and "The Cowboys" using the guise of escorting Morgan widow and his own wife Allie, who were also cousins, back to California where they were both from but the actual reason is because he couldn't take part in what was about to happen. That's the difference between Myth and Fact. Doc was never a hero but he wasn't the villian people think he was either, By all accounts, from those who weren't either a lawman or outlaw, Doc was a decent guy who did bad things when he was forced to.
Simon Whistler is our huckleberry.
colin Paterson
colin Paterson don't get it
Simon Whistler is a half-assed "historian", with some truths, but also some "Twilight Zone" science-fiction ! The story of Hidalgo Francisco is a highly exaggerated fairy-tale.Yes, Major Henry B. Holliday did bring a young boy home with him at end of the Mexican War,1848 and age 13. But he evidently left the Holliday family in 1850, age 15. JOHN HENRY WAS NOT BORN UNTIL AUGUST 14, 1851. Pretty neat trick to teach someone who wasn't yet conceived how to "quick-draw" ~ Which term is also fiction, highly exaggerated by Hollywood movies. The so-called "fast-draw"was non-existent , a gunman did not "draw" a pistol, it was "pulled". And a man-killer "took his time,in a hurry". And this Englishman , Simon Whistler (who talks too fast) is a gullible fool if he believes a 13-15 year old kid could teach someone how to become "the quickest draw in the West "! LMAO ! Nor did Doc fire the first "bullet". This was most likely done by Wyatt Earp who knew Frank McLaury was the deadlier gunman among the Clanton gang, so fired on him first. Doc's first 2 shots were not bullets , but buckshot loads from his shotgun, killing Tom McLaury.Total kills by Wyatt never exceeded 4-5, whereas Doc's numbered about 5-6. What made Doc Holliday the deadliest gunman of the West, was the fact that he was dying of "consumption" (TB), and didn't care if he might die in a shootout ~ but he would take you with him, which was a HUGE psychological advantage over any gunman who fought to live. It was scary as hell to buck a man who did not care if he lived or died ! Doc may not have been "a hero", but was certainly NOT an outlaw or badman. Btw , Doc did NOT kill any young Blacks swimming in the Withlacoochee River, in Georgia. He fired over their heads to scare them off. The story of several killed and many wounded was a fabrication by Bat Masterson, fond of telling tall tales and who personally disliked Doc, (and impossible to do with a six-shot revolver! )
For one, the thumbnail isn't a photograph of the real Doc Holliday..
Rather ironic.
I have seen this movie many times and enjoy it more and more each time I watch it. I also went to Tombstone, Arizona and stayed several days to see the sights. Going into the Bird Cage was a very creepy experience. I felt I was being watched the whole time I was in it. I also bought a $10.00 Bird Cage coin as a souvenir. Great movie and a great town with history to visit.
This is great. Some British liberal re-writing our history for us while conveniently discrediting an American legend. What does this clown know? He acts like he was around in the 1800s.
yeah fuck this dude
You've clearly have never seen the movie. Doc Holliday isn't exactly a good guy in the movie. He stabs a man over a card game, then proceeds to steal the saloon's money in his first scene. The next scene he has fun intimidating a man who's about to shoot Wyatt with a shotgun. There's more than one scene where he's drunk, and it's pretty obvious that he has no problems with killing people. Tombstone really portrays him as gunslinger with a terminal illness, who has nothing to lose. Which is basically what he was. Doc's I don't give a shit way of thinking, is what made him so dangerous and often times unpredictable. Doc Holliday wasn't exactly a good guy, but he wasn't completely evil either. He had a sense of loyalty, which is why he backed up Wyatt Earp so much. Wyatt Earp wasn't squeaky clean either. I mean he basically murdered anyone and everyone connected to the murder of his brother Morgan.
"The dry air of Dallas"
FUNNY.
I live in Georgia, been to Dallas. Vast difference in humidity..
I know right. I live in Houston and it is so humid
It can be quite dry here in Dallas. Far more so than Georgia.
I lived in Dallas for a few years and it was more dry heat then in Georgia which had more humidity
So what you're saying is Wynonna Earp's Doc Holliday ain't the real Doc Holliday?
Wolfram 1045 😂
Shut up bitches ur fucking up my high
Absolute legend and who really know what happens but seems like at the end of the day he was badass
I'm related to Doc. As for Tombstone, they got a pretty accurate portrayal of Doc done actually.
They say when Vel Kilmer found out he got the roll of Doc. he studied Doc's history, mannerisms and personality so he could get him as right as possible. So if you watched the film you probably seen Doc holaday as close as anyone ever portrayed him.
@@tonycummings5427 Sounds about right, though id imagine there may not have been too many portrayals of Doc over the years.
I'm sure Doc would be proud of his great great great great grandson who likes my little pony
I don't know what is worse. Getting my teeth pulled with garden tools (joking) back in the day or having a doctor cough liquid death every time that he he got close to my face.
Doc earns the title of the baddest sob in the west and had no fear of death even if he was dying still give him power.
Deadwood is one of the the first things I saw that portrayed Wyatt Earp in a less than positive light. Apparently, Virgil was the more upstanding Lawman. A lot of these famous figures of the Old West were more... complicated (read, morally ambiguous) personalities than often portrayed in the past. Look up Lawmen who were also outlaws sometime.
"I'm here huckleberry. ...Why Johnny Ringo; you look like somebody just walked over your grave."
It was at that moment Johnny knew he was about to die.
Wait, it was.
"Play for blood, remember?"
Ah, I was just funnin about.
"I wasn't."
No no, wait. It was,
'Say when."
What a great movie.
sum body “I’m here huckleberry “ makes no sense. “Huckleberry” means “man for the job “ or “man you’re looking for “. The line is “I’m YOUR huckleberry”.
one the line is i am your huckleberry two Johnny knew he was toast when he saw it was Holliday not Earp standing there
Man, I'm already subscribed to three of your channels, how many more am I gonna find
As a black man Val Kilmer did nothing to black people and his version of doc is aces
Doc was a 19th century Georgia man & probably confirmed to local "custom." As to whether he was a racist, we'll never know. It's possible he may've been anti-semitic (not uncommon in those days.) Having allegedly once called Wyatt a "Jew-Boy" for taking up with Josie Marcus. I agree while he may've been a bit "over the top" at times, Kilmer was great as "Doc" & should've gotten an award. Don't recall his name offhand, but also kudos to the actor who portrayed John Ringo.
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But the REAL question is what happened to big-nosed Kate???
Plastic surgery cured her.
n. p. Kate deserves an episode on this channel. She remarried, divorced, ran a bakery and at the age of 80 went into an old people's home ( which she virtually ended up running) . She died in 1940, 5 days before her 90th birthday. The photo in this video shows her at 50.
graphite pray tell, what was her christian name good sir?
n. p., why my good fellow , here's a link to a 9 minute video chronicling her life. Enjoy :)
th-cam.com/video/Ahj4vEORbjU/w-d-xo.html
graphite -fellow, +madam. :)
*Doc was a Georgia born boy, and Val Kilmer played him best of all, "I'm your daisy"...*
Doc never said, "I'm your daisy". He said "Your a daisy if you do", which meant, "you're the best man".
Buddy Carrol I'm southern. Where I'm from if you are called a daisy it meant being tough due to the plants ability to survive in harsh conditions.
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Hey Chet. Great post.
Doc Holiday and Chet Atkins in the same post. Can't beat that. "You're a Daisy!"
Very cool. Love your channels. I don't know how many you have but I'm subscribed to this one and the one where you cover biographies. Great stuff! Keep it up!
I think it's funny how Johnny Ringo never faced off against Holiday. The only thing that happened between Ringo and Holiday was Holiday stopped an argument between Earp and Ringo.
You know nothing about Doc Holiday.
*O’Driscoll* 6:06
DAMN YOU COLMN
God damned O’Driscoll!
*GODDAMM O'DRISCOLLS!*
RIP Annabell
One more job just trust me Arthur
My great great great (?)grandmother said she’d rather have her teeth rot than have Doc work on her teeth. Her husband was the supreme court justice Fletcher Doan.. he was the judge on Pearl Hart case.
I don't see how he is portrayed as a good guy, he is a loved and respected vigilant villain .
Great history lesson....with exception that you're speaking way too fast. It sounds like you want to get what you want to say done and over with as fast as possible
Well, shucks pard. You got the year of Doc's birth correct. FAR-oh (spelled Faro) is pronounced FARE-oh. Incidentally, finding truth in TRUE WEST magazine is like finding a needle in a haystack.
Noah Count
So set it on fire?
Noah Count
I caint take the foreigner serious when talking about American history. Seems weird.
True that the game faro is pronounced like "pharaoh " in Egypt, ~ and True West magazine is mostly full of truth on the Old West. Btw, a lot of books print a photo of a fat, ugly woman and say it's Doc's on-again-off-again lover Mary Katherine "Big Nose Kate" Harony from Hungary. AKA "Kate Fisher"/aka "Kate Elder'/aka "Kate Holliday"~ BUT IT IS NOT HER ! KATE HARONY WAS SLENDER AND RATHER PRETTY. She got the nickname from being nosy about other people's business, NOT because of having a large nose. Ironically, the fat & ugly one was a brothel madam called "Nosy Kate"~ and she DID have a large nose !
The year was orrect, but the date was wrong. Doc was born on the 14th. Not the 4th.
Noah Count
Thank you for correcting his pronunciation. I correct him on at least one or two things in every presentation. You beat me to it.
Doc Holiday was a good man. No matter what is said through history.
The man in the picture at 3:59 is not Doc Holliday. It’s John Escapule, he was a Tombstone citizen during the same time Doc Holliday was. His great grandson Dusty Escapule is the current mayor of Tombstone.
Source: truewestmagazine.com/john-escapule1/
It’s also widely accepted among historians that Doc was not a deadly shot. Not even a little bit. He was known to be a horrible shot. It is speculated that this is why he was given the shotgun prior to the famous shootout on Fremont St. It’s hard to miss with a shotgun.
He also is confirmed to have only ever killed one man: Tom McLaury. Anything else has never been confirmed, and for the most part, not even accepted.
All the sceptic tanks banging on about how would a Brit know. In the UK we study history, geography outside our own Country. That's why we can talk about and point to other Countries on a map. You lot should try it sometimes.
You say he died at 37 but the tombstone clearly shows 36.
He died at 36 not 37
Never seen Doc Holliday as squeaky clean. He was always in some kind of trouble.
I grew up 10 miles away from Glenwood Springs where he died. We used to hike up to his grave all the time. But where they say his grace is and where the monument is isn't actually where he's buried. They don't know where his actual burial site is and think it's actually probably in someone's backyard.
I think they knew where Doc is buried, they just don't want anyone to go and start digging around for the guy. (I was passing through Glenwood Springs and paid my respects to the man.)
You don't mention the two hundred foot climb to Linwood Cemetery up the side of the canyon. For a flatlander like me, I was huffing by the time I got to the cemetery. You guys don't have any oxygen at 6000-7000 feet... :-)
Backroad Junkie hahaha!!! Yeah you get used to it. I lived in Carbondale for years. But being born in Denver, 5,280 feet above sea level I'm just used to thin air. I moved to Puerto Rico and I feel like I'm drowning!
He was buried near a hill by the cemetery I think.
It's Linwood Cemetery on a hill on the east side of Glenwood Springs . While Doc was buried there the theory is that most of the bodies there were washed away in the 40's or 50's. So it is possible that he could be anywhere from Palmer street to Lake Mead. You can try to find him and you're a daisy if you do. The hike is steep to reach his memorial, but it's worth it . Living in GWS and New Castle I have hiked it many times and it never stops being cool to do.
reklis hooligan
Doc Holliday was born on August 14th 1851 58 seconds into your video and no need to watch anymore. If you can't get the man's DOB right I'm sure everything else is false to
Doc wasn’t a bad guy he was more of a I’m down for my shit! Kind of guy and that’s not a a bad guy
Why O why does everything have to be rushed through these days.. A slower pace of life involves people actually think and use their brains more.. Slow down or just captions.
The picture at 3:58 is of a man named John Escapule. This man's picture is often confused with that of Doc. Holiday.
Thanks for the "history lesson". I. too, get my facts from "True West" magazine. Geez.
I think wyatt had a bad side that made him relate and respect doc....i think doc had a good side that he could relate to wyatt....and that breeds respect and then loyalty. Also a badass duo
I live in Griffin, Georgia Doc’s Hometown!
One of those weird coincidences where I was talking about this guy a few hours before you uploaded the video. Complete with Val Kilmer impersonations of course.
One does not simply talk about Doc without the Kilmer impersonations..it just doesn't happen xD
Doc was a real dentist, but didn't care for it...he moved west, became the gunslinger we know, and didn't care what anyone thought...he really was friends with Wyatt and thought the world of him...
I‘ve read several bios of the Earps and Doc, and they all said that Doc loved being a dentist. Medicine, the military, law and politics were among the few professions that were socially acceptable for members of prominent Southern families in the post-Civil War era. Former slave-owning families now had to find other ways to make a living, yet were still conscious of their social status, so Doc was in a good place as a dentist. As Little Miss Dysthymia said, he left dentistry and Georgia because of his illness and a desire to prolong his life in a dry climate, not because he didn’t care for his profession. From what I remember, had even written a paper about dental diseases.
However, having lived there for many uears, while Dallas may be drier than southern Georgia, nobody should move there expecting a dry climate.
sounds like you knew him most be a bit old
@Vincent Gonzales Wyatt forgve him if it happened i never read they ended the friendship
@Vincent Gonzales Wyatt and Doc met for the last time in 1885, two years before Doc's death, when they ran into each other in a hotel in Colorado. By this time Doc was already in very bad shape and Wyatt was devastated because knew he would never see Doc again.
@@victorbrunswick id like to hear more about that meeting....i know in the movie wyatt came to see him that one last time. Always wondered if doc actually told him to leave him alone
Hard not to love the anti-hero.
doc just enjoyed a rowdy tussle every so often.
@learn2 farm i think he just didnt like the ones who lived to kill and bully so he would fuck with their heads a bit, but probably wasnt ever looking to hurt anyone
I used to go to a gun quarry, and have lunch in Tombstone... It is indeed, like finding Bigfoot.
I thought Doc Holiday was 35 when he died.
Man, Doc is up there on the list of people I’d like to meet! What an interesting fellow!
Doc owned a saloon at the orginal Vegas in New Mexico
I’ll be your huckleberry
Also this was published on my b day
Doc was NOT a great gunfighter either. He once shot a prone enemy hitting him in the foot. At least once he shot a bystander. In Ft Worth he was in a shooting and hit only air. No fear of dying likely made him a feared opponent.
Doc Holliday was a killer, but he was not a professional gunman. They never faced off against one another, but many believed if he & Ringo had, Holiday would've been shot to pieces. We'll never know. Scene where Earp says to Holiday regarding Ringo, "I can't take him can I"? Is pure hollyweird "phantasy." It is reported that Wyatt considered Ringo the "most dangerous" man in Tombstone next to "Curly Bill," but this could've been all speculation.
Val kilmer did a good job playing doc holiday!