How modern humans beat the neanderthals | Richard Wrangham and Lex Fridman

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  • @5050YT
    @5050YT ปีที่แล้ว +381

    Can we all take a second and realize how blessed we are to have the internet and to be able to learn this information.

    • @hmq9052
      @hmq9052 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You'd know all this already if you read books

    • @5050YT
      @5050YT ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@hmq9052 Says the one who can’t formulate a sentence.

    • @hmq9052
      @hmq9052 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@5050YT That is a perfectly formulated sentence.

    • @daveinpublic
      @daveinpublic ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hmq9052 ‘you’d know all this’

    • @hmq9052
      @hmq9052 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@daveinpublic Correct it. Don't repeat it

  • @dalton4035
    @dalton4035 2 ปีที่แล้ว +906

    I'm consistently amazed by both the variety and quality of guests.

    • @sotcmultimediagroup6784
      @sotcmultimediagroup6784 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Was thinking the same thing 👌

    • @evans9951
      @evans9951 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Best podcast on yt

    • @dustinhellberg3606
      @dustinhellberg3606 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It boggles the mind how.

    • @richardpearce2186
      @richardpearce2186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You expect less from pugilists, generally!

    • @KeyserSoze23
      @KeyserSoze23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It's just that Lex is such a boring talker. His monotonous voice zones me out.

  • @anonony9081
    @anonony9081 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    I've noticed that infighting within species seems to be worse if the possibility of fatal wounding is lower. This is why you often see big animals like bears get in each other's face but they rarely hurt each other because the cost of engaging in a fight is potentially too high. It makes me wonder if humans naturally became less aggressive and learn to cooperate as our weaponry got better and the chance of dying in a conflict became almost certain

    • @aSSGoblin1488
      @aSSGoblin1488 ปีที่แล้ว

      no longer does evolution control human behavior. human culture does

    • @matttracy1115
      @matttracy1115 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      👍

    • @aesir1ases64
      @aesir1ases64 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      thats a question worth of a paper

    • @rasmus5341
      @rasmus5341 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Or, as the chicken & the egg goes, did bears develop a more robust body due to more aggressive mentalities.
      My guess would be this

    • @brianhill2171
      @brianhill2171 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Chimpanzees can rip each other apart with their bare hands and are notorious infighters

  • @aktivwurm
    @aktivwurm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +360

    Lex is one of the few actually smart Podcasters. It's such a gift

    • @fern7306
      @fern7306 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      🙄

    • @Allworldsk1
      @Allworldsk1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Joe Rogan thinks he is smart. 😂

    • @jonny-dp2qr
      @jonny-dp2qr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      @@Allworldsk1 he offers his perspective … we listen. he says he’s an idiot 10 times a show

    • @kless001
      @kless001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@Allworldsk1 no he doesn’t he repeatedly says he isn’t. He’s still managed to help educate countless people.

    • @devonnelson3383
      @devonnelson3383 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You know you've made it as s podcaster when you're used by government officials

  • @nancyrobertson9256
    @nancyrobertson9256 2 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    Fascinating discussion. Off to watch the whole interview.

    • @ivanarepas4883
      @ivanarepas4883 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Haha - same 👍🏼

    • @JamesZeroSix
      @JamesZeroSix 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very fascinating. And really makes you contemplate a lot about our history.

    • @scorchogrey2385
      @scorchogrey2385 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      For real. It ended on a fascinating tidbit.

  • @HomelessNinjaKennedy
    @HomelessNinjaKennedy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    This is one of the best guests he's ever had on here.

  • @MellyVerse
    @MellyVerse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    The evolution of our relationship with fire and the evolution of our relationship with the sun present so many questions and it excites me to have people like you exploring these questions.

  • @he_is_a_GOOBER_dont_disrespect
    @he_is_a_GOOBER_dont_disrespect 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    That we live in a time where these kinds of gents get more recognition can only be a great thing for humanity

    • @godslittleman5451
      @godslittleman5451 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The “theory” of evolution is one of the most unscientifically sound debacles ever entertained by men. Darwin himself said that his theory could not hold true if concurring evidence of transitional forms was not found. The fossil record shows no transitional forms supporting his theory. Here again, the hypocrisy of liberal unbelievers is evident in that Darwin was clearly a racist and included the term “favored races” in his book.
      There is much more evidence supporting a worldwide flood, including the main process for fossilization, which is “fossilization through the gradual settling of sediment in water.

    • @godslittleman5451
      @godslittleman5451 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you want to study the true history of mankind, start with the fossil record of human giants. There are thousands of remains of these all over the earth. They prove the Genesis account in the Bible, (mainly Genesis 6:4), which is why governments, the jesuits, and the Smithsonian Institute have made great strides in hiding, suppressing, and destroying this evidence. Your not doing humanity any favors by speculating upon a bad theory that categorically denies the truth contained in God’s Word. BTW, it is the oldest writing in antiquity and was verified again by the finding of the Dead Sea scrolls.

    • @balsham137
      @balsham137 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@godslittleman5451 bedommit

    • @mangomoon
      @mangomoon ปีที่แล้ว

      oh, the irony

  • @patd2
    @patd2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    brilliant learner and it seems to both intrigue him in all subjects and provide a fantastic tool for his personal evolution. So fun to watch, thank you 🙏

  • @phobowl
    @phobowl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Fascinating stuff. Nice job Lex

  • @lnc-to4ku
    @lnc-to4ku 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This topic is unbelievably fascinating, can't wait to watch the full podcast!!

    • @jonhall2274
      @jonhall2274 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Full podcast has been out for a long while now.

    • @hmq9052
      @hmq9052 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or maybe read one of the hundreds of books on this subject! Just a thought

  • @JohnCorrUK
    @JohnCorrUK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Brilliant guest, Lex a brilliant interviewer .. asks excellent questions and then gives space to expert guests like Richard Wrangham to answer

  • @klardfarkus3891
    @klardfarkus3891 2 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    They ignore the cross mating of the species which would have resulted in a degree of assimilation of the Neanderthal.

    • @montgomeryx3852
      @montgomeryx3852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Definitely not as intelligent as they bolster!!!!!!

    • @xXxXLoneWolf103XxXx
      @xXxXLoneWolf103XxXx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      He mentioned it in another clip and alluded that the females were likely captured and let’s say had a one sided relationship. I think he mentioned it could’ve been two sided too

    • @Ryan-eu3kp
      @Ryan-eu3kp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@xXxXLoneWolf103XxXx and then theres the theory on that's why we have minimal body hair. Because women would mate with less hairy men due to inbreeding of neanderthal/human.
      No evidence to suggest this but I heard some guy say it and found it interesting. Also that since childhood we have stories of being afraid of the dark/boogyman, mainly because that's when Neanderthals used to grab us.
      Most of it has been debunked and this guy isn't a scientist, however you might find it interesting, I know I did :)
      m.th-cam.com/video/mZbmywzGAVs/w-d-xo.html
      Predation Theory

    • @YOSSI22T.B
      @YOSSI22T.B 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Look up nikolai valuev. Boxer. Tell me hes not from the stock of neanderthals haha

    • @pablom-f8762
      @pablom-f8762 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Ryan-eu3kp Danny Vendramini. I'm still to be convinced he is wrong.

  • @daddybaker1586
    @daddybaker1586 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I could listen to this guy talk about his field all day

  • @audiofunkdialect
    @audiofunkdialect 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m glad the algorithm sent me this I just listen to the whole interview and it was really great.

  • @John-eg2ct
    @John-eg2ct ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think this is a topic that many are interested in but not many people know a lot about. This guy knows it like the back of his hand, which made this a great video. I've taken a college anthropology class, but this talk was more informative than the class.

    • @MRTylerSalley
      @MRTylerSalley ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A single anthropology class wouldn't give you the full scope there are specific courses dedicated to conflict

  • @tonyosime9380
    @tonyosime9380 2 ปีที่แล้ว +128

    Great discussion. It answered many curiosities I had and opened new questions. Thank you for sharing. You are an increasingly important asset to the world. Please strive to do more and become better at asking the questions your listeners would ask.

    • @jostewart554
      @jostewart554 ปีที่แล้ว

      What are you doing to research your own questions?

  • @slapshot1x
    @slapshot1x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Absolutely fascinating. So much to learn. Love learning from lex and his amazing guests.

    • @hmq9052
      @hmq9052 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure. If you're an unread dunce, everything seems amazing

    • @slapshot1x
      @slapshot1x ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hmq9052 Tell me about your contributions to Anthropology....

    • @hmq9052
      @hmq9052 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@slapshot1x I've read hundreds of books on anthropology either directly or indirectly through literature, fiction and non fiction, or essays on the human condition. I'm not sure why I singled you out for criticism. What you said was perfectly reasonable. Accept my apologies.

  • @williamdrijver4141
    @williamdrijver4141 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting guest and a highly informative subject!

  • @marcfitzhenry7581
    @marcfitzhenry7581 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoyed this interview!!

  • @mogheen
    @mogheen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lex is killing it 👊

  • @kylekissack4633
    @kylekissack4633 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Loved this conversation a smile the entire Time 😂 thank you gentlemen 🎩

  • @johnpaik9156
    @johnpaik9156 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lex asks the best questions of any podcaster

  • @arjunkrishna5790
    @arjunkrishna5790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    loved this podcast!

  • @jonathancrichlow5123
    @jonathancrichlow5123 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    One thing he only half mentions here that I saw in a documentary is that the jaw muscles needed for biting and tearing apart raw food were much larger in our early ancestors, and therefore took up way more space as they were attached around the brain. This was one thing that limited our brain size.
    Once we started cooking our food, our jaw muscles did not need to be nearly as strong and large and this freed up a lot of space for a bigger brain

    • @vincentvega5686
      @vincentvega5686 ปีที่แล้ว

      as opposed to just growing a bigger skull to accomodate a larger brain or bigger jaw muscles? all these theories are just guesses. nobody knows why sapiens brains got bigger than other homo species or great apes for that matter.

    • @jasonalexander845
      @jasonalexander845 ปีที่แล้ว

      Human brains have become smaller in the last 10,000 to 20,000 years.

  • @chronic2001n
    @chronic2001n 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    "We are one of the worst killing machine species that's ever existed". No, we are the best.

    • @hadjesti
      @hadjesti 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So true

    • @hmq9052
      @hmq9052 ปีที่แล้ว

      On your own though you're one of the worst

    • @johola
      @johola ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Until we wipe ourselves out🤣

  • @graduatecoach5336
    @graduatecoach5336 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lex, this is a first class podcast. Richard Wrangham is a wonderful speaker. Well done both. 👌👌👌👌👌

  • @elbaumg
    @elbaumg ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't believe this content is free.
    Thanks so much.

  • @dichebach
    @dichebach 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Richard Wrangham is one of the greatest minds ever.

    • @sda3082
      @sda3082 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ever?

    • @dichebach
      @dichebach 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sda3082 I did not stutter did I?

    • @primus711
      @primus711 ปีที่แล้ว

      Guy is wrong and a beta lol

  • @samuelmecham3025
    @samuelmecham3025 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    It would be interesting to look back at us in say 20 - 30 thousand years and see what kind of effect our modern diets with high sugar content, high calorie, easy digestion, vitamins, other supplements, etc and easy living had on us.

    • @Alexander-ii7wy
      @Alexander-ii7wy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      We would all evolve to having micro penises because of it

    • @randomdude7345
      @randomdude7345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Definitly physicily weak and fragile.

    • @samuelmecham3025
      @samuelmecham3025 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Alexander-ii7wy You might have a point. I guess I'll redouble my efforts to introduce my oversized trouser trout to as many women as I can. I'll use the fact that men in the future will have micro penises so they better get a big one while the getting is good.

    • @jasperhenderson3002
      @jasperhenderson3002 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@randomdude7345 not weak because we have easier access to food

    • @randomdude7345
      @randomdude7345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jasperhenderson3002 food is one thing, but physical exercise is key.

  • @SB-xt5jk
    @SB-xt5jk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really great guest. I'll have to check out his books.

  • @benjaminramos873
    @benjaminramos873 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Soo... Basically what you're saying is, teamwork makes the dream work??

    • @Grayto
      @Grayto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      teamwork with teeth.

    • @lolmouf
      @lolmouf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Grayto neanderthals didnt have teeth?

  • @bobpowers9637
    @bobpowers9637 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The meek shall inherit the earth
    And thanks to Jordan Peterson there’s the interpretation that meek is those with swords that keep them sheathed (potential for being capable and dangerous)

  • @jamesnation9889
    @jamesnation9889 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    great interview.

  • @joeyp6056
    @joeyp6056 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tremendous work Lex

  • @normanholmes11
    @normanholmes11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Such and easy interview wish more ppl did this. If u invite a very smart person to your show ask good questions and just let them speak

    • @AimForTheBushes908
      @AimForTheBushes908 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly 💯

    • @jostewart554
      @jostewart554 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes true. You have to be a great investigative researcher into your interviewee's books and subject matter. Lex is a very intelligent man. He works at MIT as a teacher so he has to have an incredible IQ and some great mind too.

  • @ColbyBlack
    @ColbyBlack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I’ve always thought it would be more likely that cooking food was discovered by defrosting frozen food. It would be obvious that things near the fire melts, you have frozen food, you hold it up next to the fire and that would obviously lead to different lengths of exposures being experimented with.

    • @thedonofthsht76-58
      @thedonofthsht76-58 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What if they didnt live in cold areas? Not like that had freezers lol and Tesla said he thought he was being sent thoughts from a different universe. The first humans might have just had the intuition to do eventually

    • @jaboris2536
      @jaboris2536 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thedonofthsht76-58 the templars were called templars because they thought the body were temples. 90% of the Haiti population try to go under demonic possession. Demonology is under the rug shit in the same pool as black magic that nobody wants to give attention too, especially In the university settings.

    • @thedonofthsht76-58
      @thedonofthsht76-58 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jaboris2536 huh I'll have to look that up.

    • @SerPapus
      @SerPapus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Ummmm no… most likely a Forrest fire and some animals got burned in the process and it smelled good.

    • @ColbyBlack
      @ColbyBlack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@SerPapus - You have obviously never been around Forrest fires lol. Ain’t no slow roasted animals in a Forrest fire 🤣

  • @eeddssoonn1989
    @eeddssoonn1989 ปีที่แล้ว

    I learned so much with this short clip

  • @johnaugsburger6192
    @johnaugsburger6192 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks so much

  • @OARYX
    @OARYX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I think it’s very important he says the controlling almost as in taming instead of creation of fire. Fire is demonstrated In nature and is a result of energy I believe so our ability to harness energy is what allowed us to advance which is a general principle of how we evolve to this day. It’s fascinating. I wonder if we continue to think along these lines as kardashev did. I’ve always thought that controlling or taming gravity would be one of the most important things humans ever do and maybe it’s possible in this line of thinking.

    • @4kdefinition70
      @4kdefinition70 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      we already do control magnetics which is what gravity is , the problem we face is not the knowledge but the resources to test and implement.

    • @barryallen871
      @barryallen871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Isn't aviation in general a form of taming or controlling gravity?

    • @4kdefinition70
      @4kdefinition70 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@barryallen871 yeah if you choose to look at it that way, really its controlled gliding and using engines to reach and maintain altitude for quicker trips. don't know how much gravity control that maintains, but its an interesting topic.
      Gravity in its entirety is magnetics, look at a magnetic train that propels itself via magnetism, that's more anti gravity than a plane, but one could argue its only controlling magnetism and not gravity.

    • @dessertstorm7476
      @dessertstorm7476 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think it's that important

    • @JacrostheWHite
      @JacrostheWHite 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It wouldn't be that hard to comprehend how to tame - for example - oh a burning branch from a bush fire, oh I can carry it and create more. I don't think its that amazing.

  • @SB-yf6tu
    @SB-yf6tu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    Be interesting to know if there’s been any attempts or studies trying to teach other animals to use fire 🤔

    • @richardhollis2530
      @richardhollis2530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Maybe a dolphin or killer whale would be intelligent enough. I don’t think you should use fire

    • @b-roll
      @b-roll 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      th-cam.com/video/GQcN7lHSD5Y/w-d-xo.html

    • @king1k463
      @king1k463 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      put down the weed

    • @HeckaS
      @HeckaS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I hypothesize primates might be able to learn.

    • @SB-yf6tu
      @SB-yf6tu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@king1k463 how did you know 😂

  • @MrEdlgar
    @MrEdlgar ปีที่แล้ว

    This discussion had me at full ear.

  • @denisrivarola2387
    @denisrivarola2387 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No more full episodes?

  • @jedielder7970
    @jedielder7970 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very interesting conversation... especially the important of controlling fire and most animals, including apes, prefer cooked food. Personally, I've always thought that less time eating equated to more time thinking and inventing.

    • @Shatamx
      @Shatamx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      While yes I agree some did tinker and think. I honestly think we just did more mating and killing after eating.

  • @monsterous289
    @monsterous289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Imagine the number of "Einsteins" that created fire over 100s of thousands of years only for everyone else to get scared and kill them (like they were witches)

    • @RSCALES11
      @RSCALES11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Damn- that’s really sad to think about.

    • @monsterous289
      @monsterous289 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RAPEDBYBLACKS What television tropes? Twilight Zone or generic Salem witch trials?

    • @malinko35
      @malinko35 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The witch hunt was not fueled by people doing supernatural things, it was fueled by moldy bread making people act crazy.

    • @monsterous289
      @monsterous289 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@malinko35 Yeah, definitely in part. But I'd say it would be very easy for wild animals and humans to instinctively know that fire is bad. You make fire. Therefore you bad.

  • @syd411
    @syd411 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cooking is simply outsourcing the digestion process. Genius.

  • @Unknown-th8hx
    @Unknown-th8hx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great clip

  • @joereilly8890
    @joereilly8890 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That part about the cooked food is so true, I’ve noticed it in my dog (he literally just said your dogs and cats prefer cooked food as I was typing that) I’ve noticed my dog reacts differently when we’re prepping her food, prepping raw meat for ourselves, and when the meat is being cooked/plated. She’ll watch you pretty closely when you get her food ready and follow you to her bowl, sometimes she pops into the kitchen when she smells the raw meat come out of the fridge, but once you start cooking the meat and sit down to eat she goes NUTS.
    Edit: he mentions a correlation between cooked food and an increase in brain function and size. I wonder if you bread generations of dogs and only fed them cooked meals if you’d eventually start to produce smarter and smarter dogs 🤔

    • @mzyil
      @mzyil ปีที่แล้ว +3

      don't think so. there should be a selection criteria for bigger brain size too. in our ancestor's case bigger brains meant higher survival rates, however for a domesticated animal's case it does not matter if it is smarter or not. unless you introduce that to your experiment as an "artifical selection"

    • @joshuablair252
      @joshuablair252 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mzyil Damn. I was about to cook meals for my dog all summer then put him in a suit, and schedule a job interview for him so he can work and I can quit my job

    • @kincaidwolf5184
      @kincaidwolf5184 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dogs are actually significantly less smarter then Wolfs because they no longer need to be smart to surivive. Becoming domesticated and understanding Humans emotions and vocals isn't the same as intelligence. Domesticated animals are less smart then their wild cousins.

    • @radezzientertainment501
      @radezzientertainment501 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Also would destroy jaw strength over the generations

  • @caesars7hills892
    @caesars7hills892 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I think that humans are inherently territorial. The culture that you are born into will tell you what to covet. Unfortunately, I also believe that humans suffer from group think.

    • @rockyevans1584
      @rockyevans1584 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think what you think is well accepted science, not exactly a hot take

  • @root5th732
    @root5th732 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man that was absolutely fascinating.

  • @jeffl4896
    @jeffl4896 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was a very informative and logical discussion

  • @wildtwindad
    @wildtwindad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    An interesting take on the anthropological record is that the neanderthal genus were canabalistic and night hunters. It would explain why it was an us vs. them interaction post diaspora....

    • @rican_921
      @rican_921 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats wild and scary, imagine you being an homo sapien back then were all you had to defend yourself was a stick and fire against a bigger stronger more ferocious humanoid that also could eat you?

    • @mangomoon
      @mangomoon ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You seek to explain something that never happened.

    • @user-vp5xf6fm5p
      @user-vp5xf6fm5p ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mangomoon huh?

    • @mangomoon
      @mangomoon ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@user-vp5xf6fm5p There is no evidence it was an 'us vs them interaction' or that 'humans beat neanderthals'. There is, however, evidence of interbreeding between the two species and transfer of knowledge and technologies, such as the use of red ochre in cave art or the process of hand stencilling by blowing red ochre onto a surface partially obscured by a hand. These comments are akin to speculating about the great 'man vs dinosaur' war of prehistory.

    • @2DReanimation
      @2DReanimation ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mangomoon oh, lol, well yeah. But by your first response you might as well have been a young Earth creationist.

  • @jaydanroseboro4939
    @jaydanroseboro4939 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I learned so much. Thank you for the lessons.

  • @Paul-ou1rx
    @Paul-ou1rx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Language is our most powerful tool. We have a greater ability to negotiate, bargain, lie and at times, recognize a lie.

  • @kimmjones7167
    @kimmjones7167 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would like to see let's staff. They do a great job of helping him put this podcasts together

  • @fukemnukem1525
    @fukemnukem1525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Love this episode Lex. Thank You.

  • @holzkiewuf
    @holzkiewuf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Anyone know if Neanderthals had similar language skills as Sapiens? Thinking about why Sapiens would be better cooperators than Neanderthals. I've seen that Neanderthals did have similar voice/hearing apparatus to Sapiens, but I can't find any theories about complexity/type of language.

    • @saerain
      @saerain ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, just judging from their lives as small, distant groups, it seems likely that any language was less likely to be similar to other groups, limiting its development and usefulness quite a bit.

    • @ChrisStavros
      @ChrisStavros ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We don't know anything about their language, or anything about their brains, except that they were larger than those of Homo Sapiens. All our theories about the Neanderthal are based on our ego: "oh, they had larger brains? Well they were probably smooth and less effective than ours. Yeah their languages were probably shit. We were just such good co-operators". None of these are hard facts.
      The real explanation is probably far more simple. Homo Sapiens came in more numerous and more aggressive, and we just killed them all due to our small-brained aggression. End of story.

    • @mattBLACKpunk
      @mattBLACKpunk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ChrisStavros that plus larger brains consume more calories

    • @aquilae1670
      @aquilae1670 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      humanity first, raaaah@@ChrisStavros

  • @danielplantagenet8385
    @danielplantagenet8385 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing! 🙌

  • @CornyBum
    @CornyBum ปีที่แล้ว

    Really interesting stuff that reminded me of my anthropology class several years ago. Whoever edited this probably could've cut the end better, though, heh.

  • @harrylime5715
    @harrylime5715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This man has never been on twitter if he thinks betas are non violent!

  • @Dan.50
    @Dan.50 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "Humans can kill all other animals on earth with a sharp stick." -I heard that somewhere

  • @daivonclark5151
    @daivonclark5151 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would argue that homo erectus's body form arose mostly out of an evolutionary pressure selecting for running adaptations, while fire enabled the digestive and encephalizing adaptations

  • @SurfingSilver472
    @SurfingSilver472 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very insightful

  • @cosmicninja6924
    @cosmicninja6924 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The fact that multiple types of hominids roamed the earth at the same time, and us sapiens just happened to be the evolutionary winners, really throws a wrench into the Biblical version of reality.

    • @visionaryvalley4347
      @visionaryvalley4347 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No. Humans devolved from etheric beings. Evolution is a fraud. And I'm not even a "Christian"

    • @joseribeiro5894
      @joseribeiro5894 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@visionaryvalley4347 Your point goes against the great majority of the scientific community. I hope (for the argument's sake) that you have some very good reasons to say that.

    • @visionaryvalley4347
      @visionaryvalley4347 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joseribeiro5894 exactly.

    • @joseribeiro5894
      @joseribeiro5894 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@visionaryvalley4347 lmao
      You got me. You re a troller right?

    • @faxenmacher4633
      @faxenmacher4633 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed, and so I prefer a more Masonic interpretation:
      Existence had not been made devoid of potentials, out of respect to life.
      Now you might ask: what does that mean exactly...
      Well, how else do we measure the value of a thing, but by how much it contributes to a better existence?
      If solving a problem (such as world hunger) is inherently glorious, then problems (such as starvation) are entirely necessary in order to improve upon some aspect of existence: therefore also, for meaning, glory and in this case; survival.
      If we were born flawless into a perfect world, then "God" would have failed to bestow any significant meaning unto his creations.
      Like an inventor whose invention failed improve upon anything - a solution for a problem that didn't need solving.
      I suppose however, that is all rooted in the concept that life is inherently a meaningful thing - and to some degree, that is what separates religion from philosophy.
      That difference is why some atheists might not adhere to any specified religion and yet hold a sacred reverence for the idea at the innermost core of all religion.

  • @guitarmusic524
    @guitarmusic524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    My last dog, a mongrel mix of beagle, terrier, etc, wouldn't eat a small piece of raw deer meat. I was surprised. He LOVED a broiled T-bone or pork chop.
    The dog of my childhood, a 30-something lbs mix of Cocker Spaniel, terrier, collie, would kill a rabbit and devour every piece of matter from head to tail, guts and all. But she mostly ate table scraps.

    • @liltreefort2804
      @liltreefort2804 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      by this point weve bred out the wild in the wolf... that one dog would eventually eat raw meat if he was on his own starving one day but he knows that cook tbone with all that juice and spices is GOOOOOD lol... your cocker mix still had a little wolf in her... i used to have a girl cocker they are pretty smart for being on smaller side of dog breeds and she was super loyal to me because i would always sneak her extra food or snacks. my mom and brother took her when they moved and i went off to college and new city for work so it had been 5-6 years since she had seen me and the look of WTF on her face when i came in the house and called her name she could not believe it... then instant zoomies and tail wagging, she would not leave my side for days and spent the night in my bed even tho she loved sleeping on the couch over anything. damn i miss her... RIP ZOE

  • @polarbianarchy3333
    @polarbianarchy3333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How old is this interview? The information seems to be quite Antiquated compared contemporary primatology, anthropology and neurons science

  • @cameronparkes6629
    @cameronparkes6629 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Our superpower is adaptability. No matter the situation we can adapt

  • @iBreakAnkles4Fun
    @iBreakAnkles4Fun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It always amazes me as to what percentage of people are oblivious to how violent and the potential for violence that's in every individual. Look no further than the Ukrainian famine in the 30s when parents were eating their own kids, if humans had to compete for food, there would be no such thing as "civilized behavior".

    • @matrix2297
      @matrix2297 ปีที่แล้ว

      WHAT that's wild....real life hunger games

    • @edwardsanchez3708
      @edwardsanchez3708 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My dogs and cats be plotting on eating me
      I caught one of the lil ones rubbing bbq sauce and meat tenderizer on my face while I was asleep

    • @joshuablair252
      @joshuablair252 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@matrix2297 it was the biggest event of human cannibalism in human history. We are talking millions of people forced into cannibalism. It’s called the holodemer. I know I spelled it wrong. But I have met people from the USSR that have talked about the “mystery meat”. People didn’t question it, they were just happy they had meat.

    • @joshuablair252
      @joshuablair252 ปีที่แล้ว

      Look it up

    • @aesir1ases64
      @aesir1ases64 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joshuablair252 Communism at its finest

  • @patrick6213
    @patrick6213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I can’t stop watching what Richard is doing with his hands lol

    • @patrick6213
      @patrick6213 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Specifically around 9:47

  • @Mathswart
    @Mathswart 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Proactive violence high, reactive violence low" - this sounds similar to what Rene Girard talks about in the scapegoat mechanism

  • @dessertstorm7476
    @dessertstorm7476 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think I need a definition of reactive vs proactive aggression in the context he is using them as online I found conflicting definitions. If someone hits me or declares war on me and I fight back is that not reactive aggression normal to a human?

  • @danmac6185
    @danmac6185 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wonder if thats why people, especially children, are afraid of the dark. Stray from the fire = eaten.

  • @whengooddogsdobadthings9156
    @whengooddogsdobadthings9156 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    If squirrels could learn to start fires we would be in REAL trouble

    • @fukemnukem1525
      @fukemnukem1525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So would they....

    • @guitarmusic524
      @guitarmusic524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Middle school teachers deal with these daily.

  • @Austinhelm
    @Austinhelm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lex gonna be the new JRE one day

  • @MjolnirMarks
    @MjolnirMarks ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine learning how to control fire. Mind-blowing.

  • @PaulHigginbothamSr
    @PaulHigginbothamSr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I grew up in a small town in Oregon. My people thought all the surrounding towns were moral degenerates. I am talking of high school students. Anything wrong was in these other communities. I am really sincere with these feelings. So any other is suspect. These are just a few generations removed from Europe. It showed me we murdered Neanderthals wherever we found them would be my guess.

    • @schultemeister6975
      @schultemeister6975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Stuff like believing other people were barbaric or uncivilized happened a lot in ancient societies

    • @joenobudie328
      @joenobudie328 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah oregons just full of degenerates

    • @WWoggins
      @WWoggins 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@schultemeister6975 In ancient societies? Listen today to anyone (politician and regular folks alike) talk about foreign policy, and all you hear is how every other nation is barbaric and terrible and if only everyone else were like us, the world would be a better more civilized place.

  • @boreopithecus
    @boreopithecus ปีที่แล้ว +7

    We don’t know nearly enough about Neanderthals to make these types of claims, but our advantage probably wasn’t huge or it wouldn’t have taken 30 000 years to replace them.

    • @Dreamin995
      @Dreamin995 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe we introduced a disease(s) they were unable to overcome

    • @YesBruv105
      @YesBruv105 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Dreamin995 yeah it's called social aggression.

  • @Pkjitarwal
    @Pkjitarwal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really a great conversation💭💬🗯 thanks man

  • @cruzc5frc
    @cruzc5frc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lex "Your going to get eaten." Richard "Your going to get terrified and your going to get eaten."

  • @Rctdcttecededtef
    @Rctdcttecededtef 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This conversation always has me wonder whether it was all just a coincidence or if it was an inevitability

  • @tribalypredisposed
    @tribalypredisposed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "Are we naturally corrupt, or are we naturally kind..." I wish Wrangham would think about this a lot more carefully here and in general. The general populace does not go off to war because they are corrupt, they go off to war because they are altruistic and want to defend their group and/or punish the bad group for the wrong things they have done. This wild mashing of terms together that he sometimes engages in is not helpful or productive. The leaders may have corrupt motives, but that has nothing to do with the motivations of the people marching off. Violence at the individual level may be motivated by corruption, yes, and also by jealousy and many other things.

    • @selectiveeye4370
      @selectiveeye4370 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Children figuring out how to manipulate at such early ages should be a pretty good indicator of this. Violence and altruism are just unavoidable byproducts of how we as a species cope with and survive our environments.

    • @philippriestman8516
      @philippriestman8516 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kropotkin was of a mind that we succeeded as a species through cooperation. We as groups will and did sort out ways of overcoming the trials and tribulations of life. Government came later.

    • @nathanbruce1992
      @nathanbruce1992 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting point

    • @oddmanout7755
      @oddmanout7755 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm gonna call BS on this take. You need look no further than the Holocaust to refute the notion that citizens are detached from their leaders decisions. The German people knew thier neighbors were being herded onto trains in the middle of the night and did nothing. That was not altruism, it was opportunistic violence for the purpose of avoiding personal discomfort.

    • @tribalypredisposed
      @tribalypredisposed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@oddmanout7755 thanks for your uninformed opinion. I suppose all of those millions of German men matched off to fight and die because they were corrupt? Have you thought about this at all, or do you prefer to just have strong opinions for no good reason?

  • @bluev7427
    @bluev7427 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Don’t let Joe Rogan hear about the alpha male thing

  • @mvfc7637
    @mvfc7637 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    John Hawking wrote about how human’s evolved to be less reactive due to practising settled agriculture and living in large communities in his book “The 10,000 Year Explosion”, prior to this, modern humans were quite reactive.

  • @captainbeastazoid7084
    @captainbeastazoid7084 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn, this was a good one. Great guest! And Lex may be my favorite podcaster. It's a toss up at this point between him and Joe Rogan.

  • @donelmore2540
    @donelmore2540 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    A lot of this is based on tons of speculation-lack of cooperation of Neanderthals, etc.. In gorillas, there is an alpha male and a relatively peaceful existence per Mr. Wrangham’s opinion in another video.

    • @strahaironscale571
      @strahaironscale571 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      well doh..we are talking about 40k years ago, of course there will be speculation

    • @silviuflorin744
      @silviuflorin744 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      More like everything is bullshit. To think primitive man was less agressive to allow "cooperation" than neanderthals is bad speculation. They keep trying to justify why humans prevailed by downplaying neanderthal's capabilities. "They were agressive dumb and couldn't cooperate" "they couldn't throw very well"
      Maybe a combibation of factors wiped them out like plagues environment changes etc and not the awsomeness of humans. And maybe humans survived by sheer luck.

    • @usemythirdarm
      @usemythirdarm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@silviuflorin744 You do realise neanderthals are humans, right?

    • @dr2377
      @dr2377 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most of it is. I started realising that years ago, but you want to keep hearing more. It's strange.

    • @oddmanout7755
      @oddmanout7755 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Someone fancies himself and Alpha and got triggered by the big brain dude.

  • @richardlegrand4697
    @richardlegrand4697 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Turns out fast food is the true hero all along

  • @PlayafromtheHimalayas
    @PlayafromtheHimalayas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When my man is saying cooked food, he's not talking about BBQ bananas. Eating meat, cooked meat, was one of the catalyst for us to enter into an age of progression. Farming is what enabled society to propel forward.

  • @lazloholyfield9902
    @lazloholyfield9902 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My thoughts on why we out competed Neanderthals, we are able to form super groups/super tribes/civilization versus neanderthal was always only able to form in local small tribes.

  • @puffpuffpass3214
    @puffpuffpass3214 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    My favorite theory is the giant war between the two species. There has been plenty of evidence to show fighting was happening between them everywhere so we might of just wiped them out

    • @potomac2445
      @potomac2445 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No there isn’t monkeys never turned into monkeys or there would be monkeys still turning into humans you have to be a brain dead to believe this crap!

    • @haydnrogan6789
      @haydnrogan6789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Our Dna says they are us.

    • @fabulamcafee
      @fabulamcafee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@potomac2445 communication is about sending and receiving. your job is now to explain me so i can understand what you mean.
      I'm not him, but let me support his theory. there was a time when the early humans were nearly wiped out. scientist believe only 50ooo survived. at that time the bow was invented too. so there might be that we lost a war till our species has established the most creative psychopaths

    • @rileysmall4317
      @rileysmall4317 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@fabulamcafee pretty sure this fool doesnt believe in evolution.

    • @anon2414
      @anon2414 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Crazy how 1 to 2% of European and Asian people have Neanderthal DNA still. There was also interbreeding

  • @liquormikeandhismom4051
    @liquormikeandhismom4051 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    We ate them all.

    • @john12152
      @john12152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We actually absorbed them...a lot of the human race today have a tiny bit of neanderthal DNA...yep, we jumped them outta existence

    • @john12152
      @john12152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      *humped not jumped...my autocorrect is a prude

    • @scottydog9997
      @scottydog9997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No we didn't, we had heavenly copulation with them.

    • @sciencefliestothemoon2305
      @sciencefliestothemoon2305 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@john12152 there is a calculation that roughly 40% of the neanderthal genome is spread out in our genome, 1% here and there in different population

    • @altergreenhorn
      @altergreenhorn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      5:00 He forgot to add environment of both species in equation, namely Neanderthal lived in a harsh environment like today Alaska where was thoroughly planing a base for surviving it couldn't have a lot of offsprings because of scared resources.
      Homosapiens on the other hand came from a rich environment where a planning wasn't necessary for surviving and could live in a large groups with a lot of offsprings.
      Those two philosophies how to live are seen even today if compared Africa as a home ground for the Homosapiens and Europe as home ground of Neanderthal.
      Not to forget Homosapiens come from much warmer Africa probably with some diseases which could be lethal for Neanderthal.

  • @thecircumcisedheartofricha7344
    @thecircumcisedheartofricha7344 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:30 the good ol' "whatever it was" supports my claim

  • @MrWinstonSmith
    @MrWinstonSmith 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What happens at the end?

  • @TheBruceKeller
    @TheBruceKeller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Neanderthals lived in the north, and life up there must have been pretty darn rough during the worst parts of the ice age. Makes sense most of them would have died off, with the survivors interbreeding out of existence with migrating humans as the ice age eased. Also a lot of the extremely quick and huge floods during the deglaciation especially hit hard in the north, so many of their coastal population may have gotten wiped out in practically an instant.

    • @meritorioustechnate9455
      @meritorioustechnate9455 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Neanderthals originated from Africa and migrated with humans to Europe and Asia.

    • @kylekissack4633
      @kylekissack4633 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@meritorioustechnate9455 wrong

    • @meritorioustechnate9455
      @meritorioustechnate9455 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kylekissack4633 You’ve come to be educated. Should we begin with Neanderthal, Denisovans or the unidentified subspecies linked to both?

    • @user-vp5xf6fm5p
      @user-vp5xf6fm5p ปีที่แล้ว

      @@meritorioustechnate9455 I'm confused. Are these people denying the existence of Neanderthals?

  • @nobodysfool2232
    @nobodysfool2232 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Reminds me of the beginning chapters of Yuval’s Sapiens.

  • @thomasbarkas6092
    @thomasbarkas6092 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok Lex, this one gets you my sub.

  • @ETfromEuropa
    @ETfromEuropa ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn. This podcast blows my mind.

  • @anthonyhewitt9397
    @anthonyhewitt9397 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This clip gets 5 thumbs up. Awsome topic so informative.

  • @davewade30
    @davewade30 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Are we naturally corrupt or naturally kind?
    Yes.

  • @cyclingnerddelux698
    @cyclingnerddelux698 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a wonderfully academic title to this upload.

  • @sexymexijesse
    @sexymexijesse ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There's a great book called Story of the Human Body. It mentions despite Neanderthals having Slightly bigger brains, Homo Sapiens were more *Socially Development,* creating bigger Tribes that basically outnumbered them... (Oh he did mention it.. good)

    • @user-vp5xf6fm5p
      @user-vp5xf6fm5p ปีที่แล้ว

      Bigger brains doesn't mean smarter brains