The Champion Designer Everyone Loves To Hate
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When it comes to new League of Legends champions there's one designer at Riot who's more infamous than all others. CertainlyT. From Zoe, to Aphelios, to Yasuo, to Thresh, to Darius, to the Akali Rework to so many more, CertainlyT has influenced League of Legends in ways that no other individual ever has. Many people hate his champions for being the most broken OP champs in game (200 years memes and whatnot). Well he HAS created some of the most broken 200 years league of legends champions... But today I'm here to tell you the entire reason League of Legends turned into the gigantic MOBA hit it did was exactly because of CertainlyT and his work.
Here's the full CertainlyT interview with Travis Gafford: • CertainlyT: Champion D...
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Ur alive!!!! Yes!!!! Dude I though u dead for a long while there man!!
U are the only league youtuber I that I know and is the reason for me playing league. Keep up the good work can't wait for u to try more off meta builds for heroes
If you can ever find the Q&A with him during a riot art stream in 2017 on Zoe you learn so many new things about his philosophy of fun. also a fun triva like how a beta for zoe's passive became alkali's smoke screen. or how he was upset that they removed 2 zoes being able steal summoners from each other endlessly.
I forgot how much I loved this guy. here is a quote from a Darius Q&A
"I fought to make him an eagle, and his ult involved picking enemies up and drop them on other enemies. Unfortunately our 3d modelers couldn't make his axe fit in the eagle's talons."
the pilot is a better
if I may point out a mistake, CertainlyT designed the 2015 mordekaiser rework, not the 2019 one. great video though, im always so excited whenever you release one!
Bro imagine ad carries tracking the moon cycles lmaooo
Maybe it's a nod to Dota's old day/night cycle? If you look at the old hero "Balanar" from it, you'll know and come to fear him during the night.
@@blacklight1104 holy shit Balanar the night stalker is so fun to play. I remember a soon as that first night came around you went from this tanky but non threatening hulk to some demon from hell, ganking Lanes non stop
imagine buying an item just to cut down trees in the map so you can get hp lmao. what is this zelda? pffft.
@@cantflyforshit He's my favorite as well. That and his cancerous long silence with partial blind. Makes fighting other heroes much easier.
But the best is the false sense of security you give them once daylight comes then just press ult and it's goodnight for them. Never felt that unique empowering feel from any other hero/champ I've played.
"Report adc picked Aphelios on a crescent moon"
"BRAND NEW STRAT?! WANING MOON APHELIOS (SLEEPER OP!!!!!!!)"
😮😲😮😲
yet crescendum is his strongest weapon
@@axb_zero8457 arguably infernum is better
@@samtoney2904 Depends really, I like Infernum better too, but crescendum is so bullshit sometimes lol
Imagine, waking up everyday knowing you made Darius
Imagine being Darius dad
Yeah he should be proud
I would be proud hahahaha
Just spotted the nasus main
@@santa9218 where?
Aphelios mains and Astrology girls be tracking the moon cycles together for optimal witch rituals and elo stomping
I c bajs
Honestly i love astrolgoy and when i found out he is a moon chqmp i was plannin to main him maybe 😂
Without this man, Riot wouldn't have 200 years of design.
he's atleast 150 of them, it would take 10 minutes to come up with mundo
666 likes... is this a message?
wait so this guy is Mr. 200 years????
@@starbomber CertainlyT did the champs, the 200 years guy is another riot employee
@@arthur7769
yyyyyy eeeeee ssssss
The man who shook a fanbase.... again.... and again.... and again. League wouldn't be League without him honestly
He shook it so much I may have had a concussion
Maybe not but I wish it was
Yes it would have been better.
Yeah, League being unfair and unbalanced is just a part of it's identity at this point. I'm not saying it's awful or anything, but there were definitely a lot of obvious mistakes from Riot that could have easily been avoided. But I definitely wish that Riot would have focused more on making the game healthier, rather than focusing on doing "creative" things and adding a shitload of burst so anyone can kill and carry, so their ego can be boosted up. (I remember solo killing a ton of people from 100% HP with Bard, while having only Twin Shadows and Frostfang. And I've also seen Shen and Ornn players burst people 100-0. Like, wtf?)
@@sandortojzan5409 It's not creative, it's just shoving 3 or 4 abilities on each ability, of course they are going to be "fun", while you only have the normal 5 abilities your enemy has 14-20 abilities
“On release the community hated him” well, LoL players basically hate everything in existence
Fact
Frfr
I can’t deny this
there is a thick line between hate and disliking and dont let anyone make you think otherwise.
hate , is when something is so fucking atrocious you'd literally pick sewing your penis with a needle rather than experience it.
pretty much summs up CertainlyT whole contribution to anything really.
@@secretname2670 thresh and rework warwick were pretty great contributions I'd say.
Funny how aphelios is the last champ he worked on, yet literally every champ released after that is several time more broken than any of his creations
22:18 Riot want people to get depressed or keep them so...
Drepresed players with no social life spends more money for skins 😁
That's why they always will keep the game unbalanced 🤑
Idk aphelios was really out of control for awhile
@@joeocallaghan2905 I mean he was, but only really for people that understood how to use him. But he's chilled now. Sett, Lillia, Yone, Seraphine, Lillia and Rell are still making poeple rage from how broken they are.
@@BrontiThor i never really heard much about rell cuz i never see people play her. Is she that busted?
@@masondiaz1125 Yeah, she's practically unkillable if she gets off her horse. It's like an alistar pressing r. Not to mention that she has some of the best engage in the game with her w-e-r combo, all three abilities have the potential to cc a whole team.
Me : At least he wasn’t the guy who designed Aphelios
Gbay: Aphelios
I feel your pain
@@adgeifc4398 tbh laning against Aphelios wasnt that hard to figure out, then again I started playing league around the time golden wind came out so I already had experience understanding overly convoluted bullshit via King Crimson.
@@snowpegasi good jojo reference
Tbf the design of aphelios isn’t bad it was the balance teams fault for giving him insane numbers
@@snowpegasi i just hate when you need to read whole book about new champ abilities just to know how it works - jhin was easy - 4 shot hurt a lot, weakness after he reload, bouncy grenade, trap, root snipe and snipe ultimate - aphelios ... two weapons in different combos plus turrets with different effects with his ability and ultimate working completely different based on his weapons
21:30 reddit comment - "Aphelios has no mobility and no invisibility"
Me: Lemme introduce you to Season 11
Neither of those items are viable on him
@@saetwo3078 but they are available to him :)
@@saetwo3078 you don’t think he could build gale force?
Yeah but if you build galeforce on aphelios you only have a mini dash and you're missing out on the damage or survivability the other mythics give you
@@theonlydv9808 nope
I feel like he would make a wonderful game director for a single-player action game, something along the lines of Devil May Cry or Bayonetta, his champions feel right at home with what those sorta games aim to deliver of making the player feel like a badass through skill expression and mastery of mechanics
And making them fun too, since it's not multiplayer we won't have to hear about how bad it is to go against characters he has designed, it'll just be pure fun
People love to hate him, but think of all the goddamn after-x-amount-of-hits passives/abilities we would have had without his batshit champs.
He started that trend...
@@schroecat1 He did? With which champion? Not with Darius at the very least as we already had Twitch, Xin, TF, Yi etc.
@@NotASummoner Yes, lets create heaps of champions rendering the balancing fucked as possible, and other champions OBSOLETE.
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Why do the new champions have like 3 passives??? At least give the older ones new passives too :/
you talked about the wrong mordekaiser rework, he did the "mega op let me take drake" mordekaiser
this
That rework was really fun to play tho
@@unicreatum yeah it was, much better then the current one
Old morde was better
@@ArcusAngeluss eh, arguable the new morde rework feels fucking amazing to play tho you really get soaked into the whole "emperor of death and darkness" thing
Can we take a moment to think about the crack riot was smoking when Akali's shroud worked under turrets?
Or when yassuo windwall worked against turrets? Or when When tf had a global flash on his e? Or when kassa was so op he has a 98% banrate in ranked? There is a lot of these examples over the years.
@@handohall3406 Pretty sure windwall never worked against turrets.
@@Heelmuut it die when yas was released on pbe, never made it to live Servers though
@@handohall3406 so no
@@gronk6098 lol
Hearing that CertainlyT wanted (perhaps jokingly) Aphelios' power to be based on the moon cycle made me laugh out loud. It sounds like what someone would say when making a parody of CertainlyT yet it also sounds like something you can totally imagine him saying for real.
Dude doesn't understand how to make the game fair, but he does know how to make it fun as hell
Unfortunately he only knows how to make it fun for 1 out of 10 players in a game xD
@@kazuyamishima5779 Yes! I think champions should be changed if they're annoying to play against. But riot doesn't care and the game is dying
@@bitny4916 ah yes the most played game is dying
@@bitny4916 give proof dont just say it, this game is evolving and improving every year, this game just cant die, if its doing good and still improving.
@@gibbyboi5703 rito does care, its just they make some insanely retarded decisions sometimes
I'd rather have 5 more of his champs then seraphine
@@k7aira Wasn't Yone his last champion, though?
@@Kagawwy Nope. His last champion was Aphelios.
Really? Seraphine seems really harmless. She has semi reliable cc and a good ult with basically no consistent damage output. Champs like Aphelios seem so much worse
@@mundoloving but Seraphine is just a upgraded Sona clone that was created to make money from people with mental problems. Just go on her twitter account and read her tweets. She is a project created by massive corporate that acts "relatable" to gain followers.
@@mundoloving - The danger of Seraphine is that she's recycled. You want League to go away? Get boring with new characters. People may hate Aphelios, but they're going to spend hours either learning her or learning how to play against her or both. Bringing players back to a game over and over is the entire point of new characters. There is nothing new in Seraphine so she's a failure.
I think he would be a perfect fit for an ARPG title. He is amazing at creating diverse and high skillcap movesets that would shine in that genre without having to worry about possible counterplay.
I agree with you. But at the same time with what I got from the video I feel like he wouldn't be that interested in doing that
maybe a fighting game would also fit
@@spookie1024 fgc community doesn't really like gameplay changes
@@jijmotorp3079 there is still a ton of room to experiment in terms of character gameplay. take a look at anime fighters for example.
@@spookie1024 I just don't think they like changes and evolution, they usually prefer their good old gameplay. Most recent guilty gears were heavily critiscized by the community.
''talented Yasuo player'' Thats just a paradox on its own.
I suppose that just means that they don't have a negative in all of their games, only most.
I don't know it's kinda hard trying to manage the equivalent of two champions kits at once
@@embalancer6146 To be frank I don't see where the difficulty with Yasuo is. Statistically speaking he's a statstick, there will be a point in the game where the enemy's statistics are unable to match his due to how his passive and his R work, thus throwing any difficulty in trading out of the window much like how it goes with Riven or Irelia. And no, managing dashes is not "skilled", having mobility does not make the champion any more difficult to use, it's quite the opposite in fact, as dashes (even if conditional) allow the player to avoid danger with much more ease. Yasuo's skill ceiling isn't high, it's just that the average kind of players that Yasuo lures in have set really low standards for a skill floor.
Talented Yasuo players exist, they're just always on the enemy team
@@tehrik0020 Yasou is one of those champions that takes some talent to play well but the skill ceiling comes managing his whole kit effectively as he's the only champ who you could take away half his kit and you'd still have a working champ.
Yasou is anywhere near as gated as most other champions as he doesn't need mana and 2 of his abilities are on sub 5-second cooldowns. People try to justify that his Ulti is gated as it needs a knock up but it also means he can't miss the bloody thing or misclick it.
Riot know they have problems with him as they did an April fools video that just took the mick and the fact Yone was made in an attempt to break the Yasou player base which was never going to work as he's half Yasou half Yi (a low Elo's delight to play against)
I think CertainlyT is exactly what you want from a character designer, way too eccentric and full of ideas. However, I think a lot of his creations needed someone from a balance team to just look at it and tweak some of the details. So many of his characters are just left being nerfed into the ground because no one enjoys playing against them.
In 2020, it's hard to believe that Darius was the character who "broke the mold", so to speak.
Good to know, though!
Because he wasn't. He was always called better Garen with Twitch's passive. Gbay is calling him that to push his idea of CertainlyT being a desing genius since the beggining, while the truth is his first champs was nothing original and, at the same time, extremely unfun to play against.
@@KaszaMuna447 seriously, I don't tend to wish people out of a job but CertainlyT should never have never been let in the door.
Then again people like Gbay seem to think Stagnation is bad, when in fact stagnation is not bad but rather stagnation of a game in a bad state is bad. To make my point look at literally any single player game made pre 2005. Updates were not common and DLC didn't really exist, yet the gaming community produced not only much better games but also was thriving at the time yet every single player game was by default stagnate. The reason these games are good is because they found a gameplay loop which worked extremely well.
Stagnation is not the problem like Gbay seems to think, if it was SBM would have been killed by SB4.
@@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867 Jesus dude saying someone never should have gotten hired because you personally don't like their champs? Calm the fuck down
@@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867 Best example to support your point is Tekken 7. Despite its massive roster, it was surprisingly the most competitively balanced fighting game of all time. Literally every character was viable in the highest levels of play. Then they tried to do balance patches and add new characters with following seasons, and they turned a balanced game into a horribly unbalanced game.
@@HamsterPants522 The did very little about balance, only affecting Kazumi, DVJ, Dragunov, Geese and Lars hugely. While some A tier characters only recieved quality-of-life changes that weren't meant to weaken them nor strengthen them, but just to smoothen some edges. Then there comes Season 3 and Season 4. Oh god AK and Akuma are so broken
Ciderhelm?
Now that is a name I haven't heard in a long long time
Heres another: AngryGoran
Hearing about Ciderhelm really warms my heart. I still watch his tactical videos. They're just that good.
@@krisp1871 I love his Vainglory videos tbh
good old vg times. i hope they learn their lesson and do well with cb
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"You had to take a college course on understanding how to play againts him"
Even einstein wouldnt be able to
"CertainlyT may be moving on to other Riot Games"
Me, who doesn't play LoL but plays VALORANT:
*softly* dont
His job was to create champions that would change the game overall, not to balance them, that's what people don't get.
and that's like exactly the problem?
Yeah, thats why he is hated, unbalanceable champs all over the rift
People get it, and that's why they hate him. Why the hell would people want to throw balance out the window in a competitive game?
@@kylej9150 because braindead powercreeping sparks interest and bring in money. Just look at YGO
@@pvshka you mean the game where a deck released 4 years ago is one of the best control decks right now?
"Ryze randomly changes to one of his old rework thanks to his time rune". That´s so funny.
20:25
As much as I curse this guy’s name sometime, I also end up thanking him. Every time I’m able to save someone with a Thresh W I’m glad he worked for Riot. He kept the game fresh and never stagnant. He was/is a necessary evil.
i hate condom champions. Condom champions are champions that interrupt play and cock tease players to the point of frustration. I weave in autos, do my combo, finally win my one vs one against stat stick jax, and thresh lanterns him away.
Kept the game thresh 😏
@@dovydas1900 no you didnt
“It causes you to learn a lot of new things in order to succeed” I think this is a genius philosophy that directly counters how league players feel which is why no one wants him fired, but everyone hates him.
He tries to invent new mechanics with every single champion. It makes it fun for the people playing him because they truly have an archetype. Nobody can do why your champion does, and if you know more about the champion than they do, you can outplay them simply by learning, rather than mechanics. This means if you want to get better at not just your champion but league in general, you MUST learn how every champions abilities and interactions work. It’s a way of adding skill expression that doesn’t require any mechanics to fully grasp.
Ex: A good Zoe player might ult backwards to hide their long range q.
A great Zoe player tho will ult forwards to make sure they get their W and auto passives off, which provides more damage than a simple long range q.
Viola. You flexed your skills without needing to practice anything in practice tool. A few minutes of reading and thinking made you a better player, and it felt good when you pulled it off in game. That’s what CertainlyT is good at as a teacher. He gives you satisfaction by providing a clear skill ceiling that you can work your way up to. It creates almost like an in-game progression system and fuck does it feel rewarding when you master it. This is why most of his champions are loved by high elo players. When you reach challenger, there isn’t a whole lot to unlock or master, you’ve pretty much won. But learning a new champion could take weeks or even months, and there’s quite a few of them, so you’ll be playing league for a while. I don’t fear plying Darius anymore. I understand how his Q works, I stand inside when I can. I know his W is a good way to reset your auto, so I shield when he pulls me and tries to auto W. I lure him under turret when his passive is on me. I flash before he has time to ult because I know it will follow me even if I do. Learning a champion I don’t play is not only still useful, but important
yet, zoe picking up your flash and flashing two times to chase you is the less skilled play you could pull off in game
@@giulioceresini1435 I didn’t say the balance team was good haha
I strongly respect how much CertainlyT's pushed the envelope and been responsible for many of League's most iconic champions with the largest and most dedicated fanbases. He's definitely a net positive for the game. That said, every time I have to play against Akali as a melee champion I feel like slashing his tires.
I dont understand how anyone could have respect for him, especially since there are other designers that have created unique champions that arent immediately obnoxious.
@@Asfragged Warwick rework.
@@Asfragged WW rework, Thresh (one of the best support design along with Bard), Morde rework (great rework, probably close to WW) , Graves rework, Akali rework (not balanced, but still one of my favourite champions), Zoe (she wouldn't be OP if the balance team adjusted her before the realease) and Aphelios was fun, but i don't play him too much.
@@jdksdj11 Just FYI, he didn't design the full VGU of Mordekaiser, just that mini rework the old one received (where he got the whole bonus exp mechanic, and the dragon ghost from ult).
Other than that, his champions are pretty fun for a lot of people to play as, and they're definitely unique too. But damn, are they excessive to fight, AND impossible to balance! As I said it in a different comment somewhere, the guy would have been better off designing things for single player, or co-op vs ai games.
not a single champ that guy released i consider healthy for the game.
As someone who enjoys fighting games, hearing CertainlyT explain how he designs his champions made me respect him as a designer so much
Ohhhh boy...playing against some of his designed champs are just cancerous
@@citizencj3389 you can't anymore. most of his abominations had to be reworked.
Heavy agree. I thought Riot overtuned new champs so they would sell. Which is probably true still but to hear the designer say he wants to create a challenge for people so they have to rethink how they play just gives me huge respect for him.
Could u link that where u heard that?
@@glev4187 Darius, Zyra, Mordekaiser.
That's 3 out of 12 that he designed.
That's definitely not "most".
Hiring him was the best decision riot ever made. Imo darius and graves have two of the best kits in the game. Simple yet high skill ceiling, satisfying to use and so fun to play.
True
@刘双 its hella small and does no damage and slows very little. Its a weak ability since if u walk any direction for 0.5 seconds ur out of it and it doesnt prevent autos of people within the smoke.
@刘双 you can cast ay skillshot and its hella small. As i said just walk to the side.
8:30 Vainglory was what got me into league. I’m so sad that they had to shut the servers down
I personally love CertainlyT as a game designer because he is unapologetically himself in his game design philosophy. That being said, you 100% should have gone more into why he is hated. The arguments made against him are extremely valid and deserve to be talked about, and I really felt like this video tried to downplay t
Arguments against him are mostly just delusional mind gymnastics made by weak minded ppl. What akali makes oppressive isnt the fact that she has shroud. You can fight against her shroud with any type of AOE or by managing your positioning. What is oppressive on her shroud is that she gains high MS and before it ends, her massive Q-passive dmg chunks you for fk ton and then she has it in relatively short time again. So whole thing about playing around it is way harder. Just btw, her Q-passive dmg on lvl 1~6 is almost equal to twice amount of Fiora's Q-passive dmg on lvls 1~6 and Akali has 1,5 sec CD on that rotation. Fiora can hit next vital in 1,75 sec but she will have to come to you and expose herself for whole duration while Akali has it as poke. Ye, what one champ deals just as a poke, another has it as whole all in burst.
@@hidesidehs5271
Don't forget tho on release she could basically tower dive you with just her shroud if she plays it well, that was the most toxic part of her kit; imo making it so that towers could hit her in her w fixed the issues people had with her. I agree with you she's been nerfed to shit numbers wise but arguably that's because the player base is beginning to understand the champion more now and understands how to pilot her better
@@markv2267 Bruh akali rework was mad broken on release. As soon as shroud was up I would tower dive get a kill and get out, no consequence at all. And that was just my first few hours on the champion. Sure the guy has given the game a breath of fresh air when it comes to his releases, but they are almost always unfair annoying and overall not fun to play against until they get some of the biggest nerfs the game has seen on their stats/kit.
@@hidesidehs5271 definitely not the past unneeded true stealth, unneeded max energy heal and unneeded omnidirectional r1 and the unneeded mini stun
@@hidesidehs5271 you seem to be ignoring the other issue here, the fact that there is substantially little that can be done by most champions to affectively punish day one akali. She had unlimited energy, an ult and shuriken that allowed her to escape any fight for free, a shroud that let her walk out of bad tower dives for free and just ignore tower aggro, a stun on her ult that made it even more impossible to stop her from just NOPEing out of walking into a bush with 5 level 18 champions in it, and had enough healing to make trading into her a nightmare. If you all in, she just outs for free, if you try to trade over time, she's effectively a resourceless champion with solid healing and quality burst.
Day one she was an abomination that needed to be gutted and frankensteined back together. Today she's fine, but don't you dare tell me day one Akali was Ok. Beating her in lane was some of the most frustrating stuff I've ever endured because she was so god damn safe and all I could do was force a CS deficit, while all she needed was to steal two kills and basically snowball. At least with fizz, kassadin, and ekko you can trade into them and make them suffer for fucking up. When playing against a bad akali back in the day, it basically was Farmville with a land mine at the best of times, and utter hell at the worst where you either gave up 70 CS or died under turret 6 times and went down 70 cs anyways.
Like a rioter said: CertainlyT has designed champions that have more playing hours than entire games have in total. That's insane
Well it's obvious because most of the games have story modes and campaigns, not many things besides. So if you take a game, you may have around 70 hrs and you're done with it. You need at least 100 matches (Which have, roughly, 3000 minutes in them + queue times), to gain lv 30. So yea, like rioter said, any champ has more playing hours than entire games
That's literally every single champion lmao, how old are you?
@@Brain-washed2 i feel like a champ like yasuo has problably more playtime than a lot of multiplayes game not just pve or story games
Nexon 79 no fuckin shit? Lol?
the game would have more playing hours if he never made a champ, just check banrates, thats why hes hated.
This video taught me that Darius has been meta since he was released which pains me greatly, 'cause I only got to enjoy Aatrox for like half a season
I love Aatrox. From design to his attacks but had to leave him due to such annoying champions. It is impossible to kill Yasuo with him.
Honestly Mark Yetter is giving CertainlyT a run for his money.
I agree completely. The amount of times I’ve said I hate the guy when facing his champions is insane but the more I think about it I’m really happy because of his part in the game.
Especially after hearing about his champion designing philosophy where he explained that champions should feel frustrating to deal with since it all pays back with the elation received when you finally learn how to beat them and feel how you've progressed over the years. This guy might be one of the Riot's greatest treasures of all time, no matter how much people hate him.
absolutely i hate most of his champs but noone of his champions is boring or boring to play against just frustrating most of the times. But all of them have counterplay (besides his akali rework).
@@hansimgluck6789 lol yes
He brought complexity to game which is good.
Mh yeah but often when frustrating champions are released (designed by anyone) they have to be nerfed or even have a part of their kit removed. Irelia and akali
This man is 199 of Riot's 200 collective years of game design knowledge
So that's the guy Hashinshin wants boxing match with
lol
Great video! Also, can we all appreciate the cross-map Ashe R at 10:36?
Didn’t even notice that lmao
Hell yes! I cheered when I saw it!
Seeing this makes me wish that a game like Overwatch had someone like him, because it's definitely something that's missing from that game in my opinion.
Whats definetly missing from overwatch is the will to live
just buff brig
@@bartekpiekielny5444 there's a lot I still like about the game, but I think it could be so much better if they were given the resources for it instead of something like Overwatch 2. Now everyone's left hoping it's the game's saving grace and if not, it's too late to do anything about. :/
@@LandelRey don't do it 😳
@@heelmeplz One gigantic problem with the game is that its becoming more of a MOBA than an FPS, although it was made to be a hybrid of the two aim heavy champions can no longer make the plays they could in the beginnings of overwatch
The usual complaint about Yasou is his windwall being to OP but on its own its not that bad. However when coupled with a dash it becomes insane and effectively removes marksman ability to interact with him whatsoever.
It’s like he makes “bosses” for us to beat
At the meeting
Riot: Moonton keeps on copying us. Any ideas?
CertainlyT: Let me deal with it
*Proceeds in making Aphelios*
Moonton: What the hell is that thing???
"I don't know, but nobody can get away with copy-pasting a Wikipedia article"
Invoker: Let me introduce myself.
@@dsan17
league players: whos that? never heard of him.
@@kriegsmen9037 well they would forget their roots...
There's a new Hero leak who has multiple guns rn lol. They really try their best on copying
You've changed my perspective. I only knew him for zoe and akali since they annoyed the shit out of me but by the end I realized he also made 80% of my favorite champions
Cyderhelm damn the nostalgia hit hard
"Hey everyone Cyderhelm here welcome to the taka spotlight"
"Want to have his power level scaled to the irl position of the moon" *HOW HIGH WAS THIS MAN?! I LOVE HIM!*
"sometimes you should feel down or beaten in a game"
like every player that has ever played ad carry
certainlyT is one of those things where you don't know what you had until it's gone, I love a lot of his champions simply because each one was incredibly unique and had their own identity, hope he isn't gone for good
"zoes w lets her pick up summoner spells"
from champs
and minions
and also have item actives
and get mini ahri w on her
and give move speed
and the passive procs
Honestly, didn't know CertainlyT did so much for the game. I knew that there was this madman who designed Yasuo and Zoe, but that he also made Kalista, Mordekaiser, Graves really gets him a special spot in my heart :D
Damn gbay really luvs league dude
if he just took a moment to consider what it felt like to play against them then we wouldve had an easier time, though he is creative in a world of 3 hit passives
Unless you are playing against them with HIS CREATION as well.
It's fun to hook in the cocky yasuo while he E as Darius man.....
well his idea of fun is learning how to adapt to a threat, no matter how big of a threat that may be
@@menacebi No that's dark souls' idea of fun. CT's idea of fun is giving a champion bullshit advantages which make them the gatekeepers of high elo, due to them being trivial to play against if you have an IQ slightly above room temperature. If only the majority of the playerbase wasn't gold or below no one would give a fuck because all of his champions except Zoe and Thresh are incredibly easy to predict due to their rumored very high skill ceiling actually being just slightly above average. The reason Thresh is hard to predict is because his engages are influenced by nearby teammates on who you might not have vision, and Zoe's W is RNG in its purest form. There is no threat to adapt to, there is only long term balancing issues for most league players.
None of his champs have a 3 hit passive or what do you mean ?
@@nibla02gamer84 he means CT's champs are unique in a game full of champs with 3 hit passives created by other designers
Somewhere in an alternate universe
Gosu: Oh, look, full moon. Time to lock Aphelios.
As a Nasus main, hearing that this guy made Darius and Yasuo made me dislike him somehow (but I like his philosophy about the game and gaming in general).
Anyway they're nothing compared to Seraphine, that commercial K-Pop instahoe for simps doesn't belong in the Rift, and the champ in-game looks aweful. She'll probably start selling bath water for Rito on Instagram...
Nasus should eat Yasuo alive.
The seraphine slander 💀
yasuo gets dunked by nasus
If only IcrFrog could scoop up CertainlyT. It'd be hilarious to see what kind of bullshit they could come up with
IceFrog is just so bad. Over the top gimmicks.
@@catzor4795 I know this is a bait, but like what exactly
@@ganon4688 Bait what? IceFrog is terrible in game updates and shit in creating heroes. Previous patches have been, well, just patches for the sake of "changing" things and there's a clear bias for nerfing popular skill-based heroes just so shittier braindead heroes get played and easy arcana money for Gaben.
The new heroes are also disgusting to play and look at. While the gimmicks were fun at first (Monkey King), it slowly degenerated from there and Spitfire is just deranged. There's no sense to that character.
@@catzor4795 Can you define what you mean by gimmicks here? And by Spitfire being deranged? And him nerfing skill-based characters?
@@ganon4688 The way he aggressively states his own opinions and provides no objective material for discussion just leaves me with the impression that he feels some kind of inferiority. Like he was a DotA 2 player that cannot adapt to the newer DotA 2, perhaps. I say this because of the specific attack of "change for the sake of change", which isn't exclusive to DotA 2, it's present in League any many other games. A nicely made Gbay video may make us feel good, but does not change this, I think.
Either way, when he's arguing that IceFrog's recent "sloppy" game design favors "braindead" heroes, you can see he is choosing to ignore reality itself. Void Spirit and Snapfire are the latest additions, they are very intricate. Monkey King is intricate. Ember Spirit, Invoker, Visage, these are all intricate. But he chooses to cherrypick something like Phantom Assassin probably, which is fairly straightforward and definitely not favored over something, only favored over what it counters.
So yeah, I'd say it's bait.
PS. I love both League and DotA 2.
Ciderhelm? I remember when he did guides for WoW on a thing called TankSpot.
Honestly, great video Gbay! This video somehow made me very emotional. Before watching this video, I honestly thought the champions that he designed is very unfun to play against, it's broken and things like that, making me similar to most of the community. However, while watching this video, I realised that, the champions that CertainlyT designed in particular really does revolutionise the entire game with the introduction of many new mechanics, new playstyles or kits. CertainlyT designed champions that are broken, but at the same time those champions that he designed or reworked is extremely creative, and without him, league of legends really would be dead because it will lack new creative mechanics. Therefore, as weird as it may seem, I would like to say thank you to CertainlyT and express my appreciation towards his design. He has done a great job as a part of the design team in riot games(for real). He is really creative and he earns my respect with his approach to designing a game. He is right, when you play a game, you should learn how to play it, there is no point in playing a game without knowing what you are doing, that is essentially just a waste of time.
Yasuo:
No mana
Multiple dashes in minion wave
Low cooldown on damage abilities
Ranged basic atack on q and a tornado that stuns multiple enemies
Free shield just by walking
Barrier that counters most of others champions kit
A ultimate that also stuns, positionates yourself and can be triggered by teammates allies
Double critical chance
Udyr:
Runs at you
Maybe 1 stun just for 1 enemy champion
WOW WHAT A GREAT DESIGN, EVERYONE PLAYS YASUO WHY IS THAT????? INCREDIBLE, SUCH A GREAT DESIGNER OMGGGGG!!!!!!
overloading kits is not good design. Champions like Jhin that has clear abilities, weakness and strengths for all players, while shaking the base gameplay core (in this case of adcs) is good design.
If you could choose between a normal sword or a sword that is also a gun that is also a bow that is also a laser gun that makes explosions and makes you coffee, what do you choose?
Is not difficult to grasp come on, and we all know that most of CertainlyT champions are gutted patches after release and are permabanned.
Alternate Title: The Champion Designer Everyone Hates To Love
It is the title ?
@@nibla02gamer84 He inverted Hates and Love.
The title is The Champion Designer Everyone Loves To Hate
This comment right here, perfect
I think he makes good champions. Sue me.
I was watching the video and when he said "we still kinda learn aphelios" I was like, what? When was this recorded. It says 2 December, 2020, aphelios has gone full circle from op to useless to op to kinda balanced. I haven't played against or with him for over a month now (supp main). I think his main issue is him being too overcomplicated for no reason at all
@Edward Nicolas Arrienda Torralba it might be simple once you learn the logic, but it is definitely deterring for someone to learn him because of his unusual kit. It is the same as Nidalee and Elise, they have unusual kits, therefore it is less likely for anyone to learn them, unless they are meta champs, or the player is experienced enough in lol to learn them quickly
6:24 if you look closely, Darius's first kit is very similar to Dota 2's Hero named Axe. Darius's old passive (Hemorrhage) is similar to Axe's Battle Hunger, Battle Hunger is his 2nd skill which deals pure damage for 12 seconds. Darius's ultimate is very similar to Axe's Ulti as well but the only difference is Darius's Noxian Guillotine is scaled on how many Hemorrhage stacks on the target while Axe's Culling Blade has a kill-health threshold (like on Pyke) whenever a hero is on certain health he can execute them instantly, both ultimates have cooldown resets on kill, like you literally have your ultimate ready again.
Note: I'm not mad that he copied Axe, I'm just mad that Gbay calls him "Creative" for creating Darius and Thresh, he just rips off something existing like Thresh's Hook and Lantern which he took from Pudge where Pudge can hook enemies into him or hooking his team mate back to him.
I love this guy's creativity in designing new mechanics, and at the same time hate his disregard for existing rules. The personal issue I have with the champions he released is mostly centered around them breaking existing conventions (which is fine) and NOT adapting the game to function without them (which is not fine). Example: Before Yasuo's release, whether something was coded as a projectile or not was merely an implementation detail, and varied widely across different champs. This led to situations where champs like Nami could do literally nothing when that wind wall was up (it just made her ultimate disappear, and not even her ground-targeted aoe ability could pass it), while champions like Xerath had kits that could bypass it entirely (at the time). When you have a situation like that, you should mitigate the lost "invariant" of your game together with the champion release by modifying the game to function around them. This is something I NEVER saw happening.
I am really looking forward to the cool shit he can do when making a new game from the ground. This guy has some great ideas up his sleeve, and when he doesn't have to regard any existing rules, this could lead to some awesome play experiences.
here before thescore esports plagarize this
Are they known for this or something?
@@killerbug05 No but they do get....."inspired" for content
Some of his ideas where really fresh and should exist in the game, most of the time they shouldn't be on just one champion. Also this guy didn't learn from past mistakes and now we have to live with broken versions of champions that were reworked before, or even worse, during his time. I think that the way he overdid his champions damaged the game for many reasons but also because most of his champions don't have clear identities(being able to do everything well is not an identity) and they have too many unique things... Take Kalista for example... The jumping and spear stacking are enough to make a unique adc with clear identity. Also the tethering with the support and saving them is enough to build an adc around... You could have had 2 great champions, in stead you have a broken one that needs reworking and probably one of those unique things will end up in the trash can
And which champions were that
I remember years and years ago when I played league with you and some other friends. I'm very proud of how far you have gone Gbay I love your content now. Keep it up.
-Szerro if you still remember me =)
Ironically Riot had nothing to fear with stagnation and started the decline with CertainlyT's nonsense
"He made Zyra"
so THIS MAN is the reason people think it's OK to build FULL DAMAGE ON SUPPORT?!?!?!?! >:O
She was a mid lander on release
She was a released mid laner. They needed her damage and others brought her to support since she wasn’t good mid anymore.
who wants to baby sit a shiny entitles brat for 20 min
no that was madlyfe
It was a midlaner on release over time they jsut used her as a support
He was brave and ready to face the hate and in the end we appreciate his work.
I dont think his standing in the community is as great as this video makes it out to be.
lol no we don't
@@user-jm5lr8xc5z 48 people do so I'm technically not wrong
Great video. Love the back and forth between showing critique and praise.
Personally, Im a big fan of his wild kits. Numbers and stats like damage, distance, duration, etc. can be adjusted and rebalanced. The core essence of the abilities (moves that create new moves after landing it in certain ways, position manipulation, etc.) open up new possibilites for other characters.
The fascinating part about this is learning @CertainlyT earned an International Political Economy degree, then pivoted into game design.
Of course we all love to hate on him, but I don't think anyone hates the uniqueness of champions he introduced -- just the problem of *balancing.* And RIOT balance team had their work cut out for them with his champions/reworks, specifically because they weren't cookie-cutter carbon copies of other champs. Newfound *respect* for the GOAT champion designer, and great video.
6:52 ffs, old Fiora was amazing
as your name implies.
pre-rework Fiora is amazing for noobs.
Depends on your definition of amazing. I personally find her kit stale and largely outdated like the old panth. She felt like she only knows how to duel with auto attackers. Now her name and title now suit her as a true duelist that can match and counter anyone if you play to her strengths correctly. I'm glad they reworked her.
It's like now where people complain old champs are great but if you look at it objectively, they were just walking stat sticks with very little interaction. Now people are complaining they're too different from how they were and unbalanced, which is true in some cases but if you watched the video it just becomes that way so you can adapt and change game patterns as opposed to staying stuck and ultimately decaying in skill.
You can argue it's why you fell in love with said champ and they changed way too much. But at the end of the day, it's people at the top who makes the decisions and the minority who are left by the wayside. Even if it's not, Riot isn't always the type to listen to their community. They are still a business and if that lux, kaisa, ahri skin is gonna shower them in bucks then that's the way they're gonna go.
To be honest, I didn't know this man and I can only respect him for putting his heart into changing the game, but ... I've stopped playing league for 2 years now, and I've just realized that what made me hate the game I used to love were his champions. As a guy who only ever mained ADC, this guy only implemented more and more frustration into the game over the years lol. I'm kind of glad he's gone eventhough he seems so passionate about game design tbh. Great video Gbay.
cant love this dude, he made yasuo. LOL. I have a dream from time to time where i buy LOL just to delete that champ rofl
Imagine beeing so bad at League that you fear Yasuo
@@jansettler4828 It's not a fear, it's just annoyance. At this point, I'm not really bothered by yasuo personally, but it's not hard to see why people hate seeing him.
@@kylej9150 Git Gud, Bronce.
@@rommdan2716 Lmaoooo, "bronce"
yasuo mains getting triggered and saying you're bad lol. do delete yasuo
Excellent video, gbay. Honestly, you've changed my perspective on certainlyT. I hope a lot of people see this and get something out of it because I think the lesson from his design is one a lot of league players ought to think more about
This is probably my favorite video you have made to date
12:22 dunno dude, the yas on my promo had 2.5 mil mastery and went 2/15
If that Yas was on enemy team, he would go 15/2
The best way to evaluate if a champion was a good addition overall is imo:
Looking at gameplay design, what story can you connect to the champ?
As a positive example, Thresh or Warwick. Those two basically bring their lore directly into the game.
On the other hand...Aphelios. To this very day I have no fucking idea what his character means lorewhise, and I have TRIED several times to read it up.
A bunch of utility and overpoweredness is only fun to play because you can see others suffer. If the champ gets balanced tho this fades and nothing is left.
Kindred will be a beautiful character to play for me, no matter if I suck or not in a match.
this.
Damn this man created every champ except for the one that got a prestige skin within less than a year.
So thats the Fucker who made my old Seasons days a living hell... i played when all of those champs were on release. I been playing since season 1 days but i get why he made them but jesus they were all so over powered just remembering them
he takes a simple champ let's say udyr, and then he SHOVES passives and free shit into their kits...
so let's see how udyr would be if certainlyt worked on him:
Passive: regular udyr gains movespeed and attackspeed everytime he uses a new skill. Certainlyt's udyr passive also gives him ad and crit chance...
Q - regular udyr gains attack speed and his next auto burns the target, scaling with ad. Certainlyt's udyr Q also scales a bit of ap and reduces opponent's armor up to 45% at max level.
W - regular udyr gains a shield and his next auto will heal, scales with ap. Certainlyt's udyr W also scales a bit of ad, the shield would be way stronger btw and if you are at low health you'd get a 30% buff to the shield...
E - regular udyr gains movespeed and his next auto will stun. Certainlyt's udyr E also removes any cc or slows upon using it and also gives you more movespeed if running towards enemies :D
R - regular udyr gains an aoe burn for a while and his next auto will deal aoe damage in a cone, ap scaling. Certainlyt's udyr R also scales a bit of AD and udyr will FLING himself to the enemy (talon Q style), it also reduces enemy healing by 60% (cause why not xD)
@@findout2655 Udyr rework leaked
imagine being certently T and going to the game designers explaining aphelios to them
In terms of cool mechanics in MOBA games, there's this mobile game called Mobile Legends. Essentially simillar to League (mobile games suck but character design slaps)
It has champions I suggest you should check out.
- Fanny
- Gusion
- Ling
Exceptionally well made video! I was enthralled beginning to end. Regardless of what you think of him, he is undeniably creative and I love what he's contributed to the game. It has evolved so much and it's so interesting. I think I agree with him about needing some frustration with the game because that gives you new challenges to overcome.
Before I watch this let me guess.
Is it about certainlyT?
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@@Avvura I'll never change it. Show made me not commit suicide when I was 17
@@soulsemblance3163 17?? Damn man glad you didnt do it hope you have a great life
@@medija2938 not really. Covid messed up my studies for university.
Social live is was and probably always will be a mess due to the problems/trauma I have from back then and since I have an annoying personality(the type where you are so nice and pure where you act in ways that annoy others) I can't make new friends so once the current ones that somehow got used to me move on I'll be alone in a foreign country
@@soulsemblance3163 Hey dude, that sounds shitty. If u play league and are on EUW, write me a pn. Maybe we can play an aram or 2 :)
I cannot fathom his champions, but the quote at the end really made me see it from a different perspective.
Many serial killers, and other sociopaths, can provide some really creative insight on why they do what they do. It doesn't make them people to be admired.
@@schroecat1 Did- did you just compare a game designer with a serial killer and say he shouldn't be admired for being the main person who made innovative champions?
@@Mynth16 When those champions have done more harm to the game than they improved it? Yes.
@@schroecat1 but it didn't harm the game more than improved it, if you actually try to look beyond your own rank games you'll see that League would have been dead a while ago if it wasn't for him. So keep that in mind the next time you baby rage about being outplayed
@@Mynth16 SHUSH MATE, LET THE BRONZE GUY FEEL LIKE IT'S THE DESIGNERS FAULT THAT HE CANT IMPROVE
9:47 Yeah, I just ban them until they're actually balanced, there's no way to beat a new champion with micromanagement on release unless they actually released them with balanced stats and mechanics which happens less often than the other way around. Sure Aphelios used to have no mobility or stealth, but all of the other stats made up so hard for him so it wouldn't matter if you reached to him, you die anyways. Or when yasuo was/is strong, doesn't matter if you know how to play around his windwall and shield passive, if you don't HARD counterpick him or camp his ass, there's no way you can beat him.
WW's rework, was the only balanced release he made, bc it was a collab, and the original designer leading that rework didn't want his champion to feel frustrating to play against like zyra, or cait.
bro these are the champion that became my mains for months right after they came out. had no idea it was the one designer making all of them. His champs may be hard to balance but i wouldnt play league if it didnt have spicy champs in it
I can’t hate him. He’s the best character developer whether we like it or not, and we would have a lot less variety without him. It’s obvious some champs were inspired by his champs.
7:35 When Darius came out? Dude, what League Of Legends version do you play?
I really appreciate the music you put in different segments of the video, and I felt like it gelled very well with the topics you talked about, that sort of attention to detail matters. Overall this had great pacing, and it was very informative. ty for the video! :)
when a champion has 5 passive that build up every min or sec in battle with 4 active abilities with damage, I don't think they manage to reach the limit yet. 20 passive with one active ability that change depending on what the champ is standing on.
I honestly don't really have a problem with anything he's done up through the first batch of reworks, but uhhhhh Zoe is a God damn nightmare like seriously.
This man blessed league with his champs like without him we wouldn’t have these awesome worlds moments
Damn Riot really told this man “make power/mobility creep the mainstay of this game” and he did.
This is the guy that i hope never leaves Riot. Every single champion he releases is a monumental event with something that exceeds your expectations. They might be busted at launch, sure, but if wasn't for him i doubt that league would be as enternaining to watch and play.
i personally got upset countless times about certain designs certainlyT brought to the game, but honestly i agree with him, learning a new champion is the biggest fun the game has to offer wether it is playing the champion personally or learning the matchup against the champion. Riot is most of the time quite rapid with nerfs when winrates shoot high in the skies, seraphine for example is as mentioned a copy pasta on twitch you saw 10 billion times before
CertainlyT is what league makes league and limittesting with his champions is always a blast
"pretty big hit in the mobile gaming world today"
sadly vainglory servers are currently down for who knows how long, accounts lost, dev team gone.
Aphelios goal was to bring utility or damage in a diverse way depending on how you wanted to combine more than 25 different combos each with it’s own strenghts, some even better than others.
And then there’s blue gun r
and you can also really see how he shaped the community on wanting different and new champions (just look at Seraphine people are MAD that she plays too much like Sona even though they like to complain about how champions with new mechanics have no place in league)