I think I'm HSP and autistic. I know I'm ASD. I have all the criteria you named for HSP. At 59, I discovered from TH-cam, what autistic masking was, and that I've been doing it all my life. I was in major burnout at the time, and had been there unknowingly for many years. When people talked about unmasking in the videos it really hurt, because I didn't have a clue who I was. I'm healing from a lifetime of trauma now. Your description of what it's like for a person who can't mask anymore is perfect. So is the way we pretend to be OK when we're not. I guess I'm so good at that, that when I see a doctor about something, I subconiously act like I'm fine. They never believe there's anything wrong with me until it's really really bad. I've now turned 60. Because I don't want to be harshly judged for not putting up the happy, fake front constantly and keeping the smile on through every conversation, I'm self-isolated. I go get food, and do the occasional other errand. That leaves me exhausted. I read autistic burnouts can take years to recover from. I hope not. Anyway, thanks for doing this comparison. Your explanations are excellent!
Thank you so much for sharing that with us. Even in age 60 it's never to late to realize your true nature. I wish you all the best, especially for your recovery from your burnout. That inspires me to do an episode about that topic in the future. Kind regards, Robert
@@understandablepodcast I would definitely be interested in seeing you do that. I didn't know about it until last year, either. The specialist who diagnosed me was not helpful in any way. She gave me no info, no advice, and absolutely NO kindness. She didn't like it that I was an adult and wanted a formal diagnosis. The diagnosis was all I got. So 8 years later, my life was saved by TH-cam. ;-D And it's finally GREAT! Kind regards back
@@raven4090 I've also had the experience, that some clinical or health care professionals are not helpful at all. I will do a video about burnout beginning next year then!
In 2011, 4 shortened alleles were associated with HSP in a study done in China. HSP is therefore genetic. A lot of correlation between HSP genetics and an abusive/traumatic/very invalidating environment in early very childhood, with Borderline Personality Disorder. I thought my mom was very narcissistic. She was recently, in her 60's, diagnosed with Aspergers. I know someone else that has a BPD diagnosis with ASD and ADHD in almost every close family member, including her child. I think we're just starting to recognize the epigenetic and psychological/emotional outcomes results of similar genetic profiles under different environmental stressors and advantages. We define these sets of symptoms and traits as a disorder/diagnosis. Then we identify ourselves and others based on these labels. The people become the label/set of traits instead of humans with genetic and experiential diversity. Some traits require adjusting to exist in society with minimal friction. Some though, are exacerbated unnecessarily by a rigid society that suffers from it's rigidity. It's outdated. Society needs to adapt. ☺
@@hallievanoutryve3109 I understand the point. At the same time, I never want to make anyone responsible for my wellbeing. I believe it's important that we'll find our own ways inside that frame we call society to live a fulfilled and healthy life aligned with our personal and complex needs. We can all create for ourselves. Otherwise, we put ourselves in a place of a victim.
Your comment is very interesting especially on the biological aspect of shortened alleles. Can you please point to or link to the study in HSP and/or ASP having a biological difference to neuro-divergent persons? Thank you in advance if you can provide this study or any similar study. I appreciate your posting.
The understanding of Autism is growing faster in social media and learning from people’s personal experience then research. Scientific research has come a long way in the last 5-10 years but is still so far behind. HSP research is outdated and there are so many faults in that alone. Autism has many traits and being sensitive is just one of them. Usually Autistic is either hypo or hyper in each trait and not necessarily static. When you’re describing all the HSP behaviours, they really are just Autism. Just know that behaviours can be influenced depending on a persons window of tolerance, needs met, previous gaslighting and trauma, internalised and societal ableism, and masking.
Thanks- well said. Definitely listening to tons of social media to get the flavor and also listening to neurodiverse and neurotypical researchers- and there’s so many moving parts to understanding ASD1 (it seems that maybe ASD two and three are more easily diagnosed and understood because they tend to be more …strong? And less disputable.) It’s a lot to understand and frame, and I think you encapsulated it really well !
Kind of not. HSP is technically SPD sensory processing disorder. It's 2 names for the same thing. And there are differences between SPD/HSP and ASD. It's rare, but you can also have ASD without SPD. Around 20% of the human population falls under the SPD/HSD umbrella. I was diagnosed as HSP/SPD at age 14. For an autism diagnosis you need to cross off symptoms in 3 areas: the sensory, social interaction and finding comfort in routine and repetition/having problems with change. HSP is only the first area without many symptoms in the other 2. I can read people and have no problems in conversations. I like being spontaneous, I don't need a struct routine ect, BUT I'm highly sensetive to light, sound ect. My skin is both hyper and hyposensetive, my nose is useless and I gave problems with eating some textures. I'm very visual and I react strongly to music, I always stimmed. HSP/SPD is officially part of neurodiversity and lots of autistic people have it, so there are overlaps. It's still 2 different diagnosis.
I grabbed this from the internet, from an article published this year. I'm also starting to be convinced that HSP and ASD are not different, since there is so much overlap in symptoms. "What is the difference between cognitive empathy and emotional empathy autism? While cognitive empathy can be lower in people with autism, affective empathy-which is based on instincts and involuntary responses to the emotions of others-can be strong and overwhelming. In fact, newer research suggests that some people with autism may actually feel other people's emotions more intensely." th-cam.com/video/T1Xt7Bc3CEY/w-d-xo.html - this video is what changed my mind
Thanks a lot for your comment and your input. That also might emphasize that HSP and ASD are probably more similar as we thought before. That is also what Dr. Sage kind of suggested.
People with ASD are highly empathetic, but experience or process emotion in a different way than NTs. We can learn how recognize and communicate and support an NT individual in their way, and many do from such a young age, it seems natural. I think the DSM is very poorly written from an NT perspective. People with ASD level 1 are very good at empathizing with and supporting other people with ASD level 1 (and 2 and 3). From my experience, NTs are horribly bad at empathizing with autistic individuals. New research is learning it’s not a deficit in empathy, but a double empathy problem.
I think it's more a matter of HSP is one manifestation (or profile) of Sensory Processing Disorder (SPD), where SPD can include mixtures of both hyper and hypo sensitivity across all sensory inputs. SPD is a core diagnostic criteria for ASD, but not necessarily the HSP profile of SPD. Similarly, people can have SPD without being ASD, though they may still relate to the ASD experiences around sensory inputs. Note: sorry if using the word 'disorder' feels problematic here. I agree that myself being ASD does not inherently mean I am wrong/broken, but it definitely makes my existence in this inhospitable world disordered. This world wasn't made for me, and being ASD definitely makes it harder for me to survive here, so I very much need it to be acknowledged as a disability (as long as the world continues to be unaccommodating). Similarly HSP are not wrong, though they may find the world difficult, so I intend no judgement when I connect it with SPD 🤗
Also the thing about self-reflection. Self-reflection is something I often obsess over. The more information I get about ASD the more I feel like we have like a music or audio board type thing with different elements being on different slides and dials and as autistics, we each have our scales set to or locked within certain ranges, and where it might be that my settings for audio stimulus for example, might be between X and Y for tolerance and comfort range, but someone else on the spectrum might have a range from C to G.
Wow your channel and content may be the best I’ve ever watched. Incredible!! I was just diagnosed ASD with ADHD in my late 40’s, it’s been such a relief to know I am ok after all. Will definitely be watching all your videos. Thank you so so much!
Thank you for all the fruitful comments. I will continue the discussion about Autism in the following videos about ADHD, CPTSD and Neurodivergency in November/December this year! Make sure to subscribe, so you won't miss them! ☺ 0:00 Autism Sketch 0:21 Overview: What you will understand today 2:06 The confusion with HSP & ASD 5:30 The definition of High Sensitivity (HSP) 10:08 The definition of Autism (ASD) 14:00 Similarities and Differences between HSP & ASD 16:39 Signs you might be an HSP 18:35 6 Signs you might be an ASD 26:55 Can you be HSP & ASD at the same time? 29:09 (Un-)conscious masking 38:20 What to do, when you’re HSP or ASD? 41:26 Outro
I hate this HSP term. It was made for people who are uncomfortable with the autism diagnosis because of the stigma and it’s the reason why I’ve lived 42 years with undiagnosed autism. Instead of correcting the misconceptions about autism (lack of empathy) they just invented another term.
No, there is a difference. When my neurologist does my brain scans, I can have peaking even in a blackout room. I'm a HSP. Your brain and nervous system is completely wired a certain way. My diagnosis has been a life saver because my vagal/vagus nerve doesn't regulate when I'm overwhelmed causing bradycardia. My heart will try and shut down. I have two cardiologists, along with other therapists. No there is 💯 a neurological difference! I'm sorry if anyone feels that autistic individuals are misdiagnosed or the stereotype that women are labeled sensitive while males are autistic.
@@Enjoytheshow435 we are completely wrong! You sound frustrated. I am an HSP as well, and we are definitely different from people who are autistic! We are not like you! I prefer being an HSP 💯,because we don’t have these massive social problems that people with autism have.
I’ve been diagnosed with AudHD. I don’t struggle with empathy at all Infact I experience too much, it’s very exhausting and makes me withdraw. Also makes me vulnerable to people who take advantage. I also don’t struggle with social interactions because I don’t understand faces, it’s because I understand too much and can spot micro expressions that neurotypical people don’t spot (there is good research on this).it’s so cringey watching someone force a conversation with someone who clearly just wants to get away 😖 I don’t like socialising because I have no idea why I should engage in small talk and conversation I’m not interested in. I don’t have the ability or attention span to gossip or talk about things that seem pointless to me like the kardashians 😂 Where as neurotypicals may feel obligated to engage for social purposes.
I stumbled across your video, so is my first that I have watched from your channel. Thank you for taking the time to create and post such an important topic. I was recently diagnosed as an ASD female in my early 50's earlier this year. I have always known I was a HSP since I have understood what it is since I was young. I am definitely both. I am highly empathic to both people and animals, but I do struggle with communication and correct expression of my feelings. It is.interesting to study the relationship between the two (HSP and ASD). I am newly subscribed now and look forward to watching more videos past and future uploads.
Wow, thanks for sharing your story. It makes me happy that you could find yourself in the content. :) I feel the same. Highly empathetic, but I do struggle with communication and correct expression of my feelings. It seems to be so typical.
I'm in my 40s. I know I'm an HSP. I was identified in my 20s, and I tend to top the HSP charts. Recently, I've taken several autism tests/questionnaires online and have consistently seen results that I fall on the autism spectrum. I'm now wondering if I may be both. So I appreciate this video. Thank you!
I realised I am hypersensible at 42. By then I have lived through 42 years of trauma, my parents are Narcissists. I also had even more signs of Autism than one of my partners, who is an Aspergers, at the least.I was a dreamer, introverted AND shy, since I was little but also had phases of hyperactivity and-at least to the outer world, all the signs of Borderline personality disorder. Only three years ago I realised I have Cptsd and only a few months ago I came across the term neurodiversity. To me, it's all kind of a mash up of personality and reactions to my abusive home. The only thing interesting to know for me would be- what was there, first. I am the way I am, sometimes I can cope better, sometimes not so well. Since healing from CPTSD for about two years now, I'm really well off and my trauma responses are almost fully gone. But there is still a lot ablut me than has always been there, still is there and probably always will be there, ie part of me. I've found myself the right people, some are a lot like me, most aren't. But all of them are respectful and take and like me as I am. Listening to this video at the moment, I've had the incredible idea that HSP could be something I always considered myself to be: I'm like an animal which is always on the run, always prepared to flee. Maybe HSP is a "human" way to process a dangerous life, because mainly it's the sensory abilities which are always on alert
Hey Daniela, thanks for your comment, which I loved reading. The question of what was first is a question most of us have I think. Some aspects may be there from when you were born. Other things may be learned. The nervous system can become more sensitive over time. At least this is what we observe. But however it is, you are great the way you are. And yea, being HSP means constantly being alert in a way. But also means being constantly aware of all the beautiful things. :) Lots of love to you!
Hiya! I'm just curious I saw you are cptsd, you mentioned always on the run and flee, I'm curious if you know hypervigilence is a huge chunk of cptsd, where your brain shuts down only functions on fight or flight and rational areas don't function. Also I'm so pleased to read you are "okay" and quite positive after such a life. Cheers!
I'm ASD, and very much identify as Highly Sensitive or even an Empathy (excess mirror neurones combined with synesthesia resulting in feeling what you see/hear). Had a genuine light bulb moment during the exploration of masking! Initially I didn't connect with the explanation of ASD masking, as I very much do not fake compassion when someone is sad, however masking to mirror happiness when I am not! 🤯 Yes, this, all of this. In a sense, all the emotions flow in (though I don't always have capacity to take them on eg in burnout/shut down/overwhelm), but I select what is allowed to flow back out (mask/filter) depending on the needs of others. The point about masking being survival is potentially the key difference for ASD, as we tend to have our emotions rejected/condemned (often have atypical response, eg desperation manifesting as manic laughter or overwhelm as rocking/flapping), so if we are able to mask we learn to keep our emotions inside to avoid social rejection. The critical consequence of Masking is not having our needs met. I mask so well (and can't turn it off, it's like fighting your fight/flight response, in this case it probably matches well with faun) that when I'm at breaking point and asking for help, people see no urgency and dismiss me. I have mastered how to listen, but I very much don't know what to do to be heard.
Do you mind respectfully sharing the traits? I’m trying to discern what’s going on for myself. I have traits of both, but not sure if (I hate to say it) autistic enough. I’m definitely sensitive & other things.My councillor whose daughter is diagnosed ASD said that she can see it in me. She herself doesn’t diagnose patients. I’m wondering what you see. Thank you
@@tajos703 If you have ADHD as well as ASD you may find that neither sets of traits seems to truly fit. Many people who are both use the term AuDHD. The only way to TRULY know is to get a proper diagnosis, but getting one isn’t for everyone. I’m 52 and have only been diagnosed for both for less than 3 months and was diagnosed with ADHD combined type only for about 5 months at this point. I easily was able to identify as a HSP but that is not an actual mental disorder. You will not be able to be diagnosed as it’s an identity not a diagnosis. There is no such thing as HSP in the DSM 5. 😊
Thanks for posting this.💜 I've recently been watching quite a bit of content regarding the difference between the two, and I really like how you presented the information. I'm currently in the process of seeking an ASD evaluation as there are things I have experienced my whole life that I thought was HSP related. I've learned a lot by watching Dr. Sage's videos, along with other content creators on YT, and reading up on the subject. Unmasking Autism by Dr. Devon Price was a real eye opener for me.
Hi Gracie, thanks a lot for sharing! I do also recognize myself in some of the ASD characteristics, such as having a specific set of interests and some of the social challenges. It's so valuable to shed a light on the comparison of the two.
Im very sensitive to myself not the others. In my early childhood it was impossible to mask how much I was struggling with it and how much my brain was inflammated. Neurofeedback reduce inflammation and make me able to pick sound and visual information in synch and in more natural way. I am not masking that much because my sense are working better but I still struggle with conversation. My mother have hashimoto disease and I think that disrupt me seriously. I still think autism is threatning because i know peoples on the spectrum that are very very very disabled even worst than myself before neurofeedback.
Autistc people are said to miss/have less mirror neurons in their brain. HSP have more than average. Or so was said in the recent past. This is what I refer towards when I say they are opposites of the spectrum.
It was a really important puzzle piece to help me understand my way of coping in a trauma i have struggeled to understand in 5 years. Im happy to have made your day. And you are welcome!
@@jl4185 Ahh, that's so nice, it was an important puzzle piece. I will also do a video about CPTSD and Autism in the future. Maybe that will be another piece as well. :)
Stumbled upon your video. Fun watching and listening. I was diagnosed with ASD & HDHD although a sister in law is still convinced I'm HSP. The luckiest thing of all three is that coping with overload requires the same (or similar) tactics to deal with that.
@@understandablepodcast honestly, your definition of HSP seems to be autism traits. Just because you're autistic doesn't mean you're awkward. I would have never said I had issues socializing. No one who interacts with me even thought I was autistic. When I started researching the traits in women, I realized I was. But I obviously mask. I don't fit any of the norms such as being unemployed, awkward, etc. I am an overachiever, I've always had a job, I am seen as an extrovert at work, highly educated, artistic, very empathetic, very introspective, disciplined, controlled, etc. I withdraw from people because it's exhausting and I need to recover. I think as another commenter said, the research on HSP is outdated and the definition of autism has changed a lot. Autism used to be associated with white males (and it was when I originally researched it). I didn't even know women could be autistic.
@@rachelb4235That's not even autism. Autism is debilitating. If you can mask so morbidly well and keep functioning optimally for years in a row, it's not even a handicap. That's "one in a Million autism case" , and its absolutely ridiculous to make a rule out of the extreme exceptions and try negate with it all the millions of suffering ones of us.
@@keylanoslokj1806 I have a medical diagnosis for autism. I'd recommend doing some more research before you disregard people who you believe don't meet your personal criteria. My characteristics are normal for a lot of women with autism.
I would invite any neurodiverse/highly empathetic person to read up on dr Peter levine and somatic experiencing therapy This is literally the modality that teaches you to repair/bulletproof your nervous system from overwhelm whilst eventually processing the underlying emotional wounds that cause it to me so reactive in the first
I dealt with my trauma and I am still having problems with sensory sensitivities because I am autistic. Sensory overload could be due to lack of pruning in the brain.
I am a HSP. I have a neurologist. It does show up in EEG scans as spiking or peaking even in a blackout room. Autism shows up differently. My brain mass is normal my wiring is not. Autism shows up with differences in brain mass, usually enlaged parts. Also my vagus/vagal nerve doesn't regulate. I have two cardiologists and other specialists. So yes HSP is different!
So much of what you say Robert re masking makes sense and resonates with me particularly since I had a 31 year career in customer service however socially I would sometimes struggle to maintain eye contact is just one example.Thank you
These disorders that keep getting created just because people are.neurodivergent is getting out of hand. I know I'm a highly sensitive person and also an empath. As to why?? growing up sensitive and not being acknowledged for my way of being or taught about my gifts left me in a constant hiding fight-or-flight whatever you want to call it. So there is the emotional aspect of the HSP you're not really talking about. Also the older I've gotten the more sensitive I have become. I honestly believe this is because of the stress to the nervous system. This will make you 10 times more sensitive and reactive to all of the wonderful things that the corporations have put into our society. Like the way we take care of our bodies chemicals, environmental, and much more. Basically we are already maxed out and so therefore these things take a harder tole on our bodies and we are much more reactive. The question is where did autism come from because most kids get it at a very young age. There's been lots of information as far as vaccines pointing to that being the cause. There are way too many crossovers. way too many complicated expressions for something new that comes along that is just people being different.
Pretty sure vaccines don’t cause it - autism has been around since before vaccines existed, and what about the unvaccinated kids who get diagnosed with it?
HSP is not a disorder, as stated in the video, nor is an empath. Being an empath is just a label people give themselves (I don't believe it has any research behind it)
I think some of the desire to label these things is to help people get the awareness, support, & understanding that can benefit them, & not the ignorance that can harm them. There’s also the crossover with PTSD. Sometimes we can finds tools, councilling, & accommodations that are helpful. I understand your frustration. I hope you find some reprieve from the stress on your nervous system. I, myself, turn to nature & try to get to the root, not the branches. Good luck ❤
All the research I've done on HSP and Autism has led me to believe the biggest difference between them is that HSP's are born highly sensitive (almost positive anyway) and the traits Autistic people have are learned responses or coping skills they develop in the first 5 years or so when their brains were being developed. My theory is that most, if not all, ASD's are HSP's but not all HSP's end up being ASD's. The only logical reason for many of the traits, habits, whatever you want to call them is that their brains and bodies were in various stages of trauma when they were developed. I remember talking to a pregnant friend years ago and she told me in great detail what she went through giving birth to her other kids and it got me thinking about the baby's perspective and how traumatizing it would be.. especially if it was a difficult labor. They get ripped out of the mother, exposed to a cold room, the umbilical chord cut, & the doctor does his/her thing to get them to take their first breath. It sounds terrifying and extremely stressful. If they're lucky then they'll get put into their mother's loving arms which makes them feel safe and the mom overcome with love triggering your nervous system to release the calm down chemicals which takes their brains out of trauma. What if there were complications though and baby &/or mom were under extreme stress and after 24 hours the doctor finally makes the call to have an emergency C-section and baby and mother don't get to bond right away to calm each other down and it causes baby to get stuck in freeze mode because it didn't have the option of fight or flight. Our brains haven't evolved that much from the caveman days when it was essential for it to take over when a threat was a threat was detected .. Signals go out to release cortisol and adrenaline and all available resources go to the functions needed for either fighting the threat, fleeing from it, or freezing. All other functions are shut off until your brain gets the message that you are safe and it sends out the signal to calm everything down and lets us think logically again instead of being driven by fear. With the world as it is today that process can do us more harm than good. Chronic stress has many of us in a constant state of hyper vigilance as our brain reads that stress as a threat and all it takes is 1 little thing to cause us even a little bit of stress for it to trigger fight or flight mode. Cortisol & adrenaline that aren't needed flood our system anyway wreaking havoc on our bodies and can lead to auto immune diseases and many other problems. If it can mess up an adult brain, what do you think it'll do to a developing infant brain stuck in freeze mode because it they put it on display in the nursery instead of the safety of it's other's arms. Autistic children hand flap because their hands hurt from the cortisol. They have to find ways to think and function without having access to the parts of the brain they need. So please can you stop signaling to them that there's something wrong with them and embrace the little quirks they've developed? They're not weird, they're survivors. ✌️&❤️
@@understandablepodcast Thank you! I googled it to see if anyone else has figured this out and found o study that says "Per Viola M. Frymann D.O., F.A.A.O., F.C.A., at least 80% of all children who live with attention deficit disorder (ADD), attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) or autism experienced some sort of birth injury." They don't link it to trauma though and what our brain's response to trauma does if it stays in a state of trauma. I am going to spend today contacting anyone and everyone I can find in the field because this urgently needs to be known. The medical field is not taking the effects of trauma on our brains and bodies seriously. I read in a few places that it's not even part of a doctor's education which shocked me because the brain's response to trauma causes tons of illnesses and explains so many symptoms of things like autoimmune diseases. If this can get a light shed in it it would be a major break through and would end so much suffering. It's not hard to fix this problem either because there are simple things you can do to trigger the vagus nerve which is responsible for sending the signals to calm your brain and nervous system down and take your brain out of trauma. The answer is an ear rub or neck rub away. ✌️&❤️
It's a cool tgeory, but that's not it. Ptsd, childhood trauma was what people originally thought ASD was coming from, which was thankfully debunked decades ago. Because especially mothers got into the spotlight of somehow gaving traumatized their children and falsely accused of being terrible parents. Let's not go back to these times. ( Just on a site note: I have HSP/SPD, but not ASD. I was an emergency c-section, was too early and in an incubator the first night. ) There are overlaps between the 2 diagnosis and almost all people with ASD have SPD, though not all. You can be autistic without gaving sensory processing disorder. There is a pretty big TH-camr here, that has ASD wothout SPD. I think HSP is between "neurotypical" and autism. Around 20% of the human population have HSP/SPD. It's considered neurodivergence. What we know is that f.e. sulforaphan helps with a lot of the symptoms. It helps with social interaction and being able to read social cues. It's in brokkoli, but you need the extract from it. There is a theory that some nutrients that are essential don't get absorbed enough ans that causes problems for the brain and brain development. F.e. sulforaphan helps with getting rid of free radicals and is anti inflanmatory. A lot of auristic children also have digestive problems and do well with a ketogenic diet. There seems to be some connections in that area, but more research needs to be done. Of you are interested please read in that direction. Sorry for my English. It's not my first language.
Difference made simple Autism = external biased clinical observations HSP = the actual internal lived experience Then HSP researchers who don't know what autism is internally create another us vs them wall between being autistic and HSP because they can't accept having a stereotyped stigmatised label applied to themselves. Just like the originally researchers of autism... What I do like about HSP though is its accurately describes the internal experience of being autistic (when its not actively trying to pretend it's not autism) unlike the medical external definitions of autism which are entirely negatively focused and not talking about the whole person. My PHD clinical psychologist at a world renowned autism clinic (with over 50 years experience) who diagnosed me with autism also told me the root cause of autism is they are a highly sensitive person and then went on to describe the exact same features as HSP. There is no difference and denying that is not helping anyone especially yourself. I have seen multiple families struggling so much claiming just HSP because they don't want to accept they are autistic. There is nothing wrong with being autistic as you are still just a highly sensitive person. Autism is just unfortunately misunderstood by those not aware of what it actually is.
@@understandablepodcast yes likewise, though I will be very interested to see what it will eventually end up being called. I also forgot to mention my original post wasn't directed at you or your video at all but just wanted to post the quick description at the top...followed by the perfectionist essay below (lol) to back it up. Ah such is life of our kind. I think ultimately once those who separate us all medically converge neurodivergent conditions into a single spectrum with HSP like internal understanding all humans will benefit.
@@glenrose7482 I totally agree. I'm also curious how we will call it in the end. One thing I learned, especially from my experience with therapy is, that we should not overthink and overanalyse this things. Still, I love your explanations and insights. Thanks for adding these here!
it actually seems the experiences are largely different. i relate to all of hsp and literally don't relate to most criteria of autism in the dsm 5. it has nothing to do with not wanting to accept one is autistic, most aspects do not overlap.
copy and pasting something here '' Autism and high sensitivity differ in their relationship to environmental influence, information processing styles, and developmental trajectory. '' '' Both autism and high sensitivity are examples of neurodivergence. Sensitivity is a temperament trait that occurs along a continuum; high sensitivity reflects heightened reactivity to the environment and thus heightened experiences. Autism is a neurodevelopmental divergence that is either present or not. Differences in brain structure and connectivity result in qualitatively different ways of experiencing oneself and the world, including heightened experiences. '' '' While autistic people have more fixed but idiosyncratic neurodevelopmental trajectories and require lifelong accommodations to flourish, the developmental trajectories and outcomes of HSPs are strongly influenced for better and for worse depending on the environment. '' '' Research has shown that highly sensitive individuals have poorer developmental outcomes and an increased likelihood of behavioural and psychological difficulties in stressful and unsupportive early environments.19,30,31,32,33,34,35 Conversely, in supportive and highly nurturing early environments, highly sensitive people have the capacity to flourish and may have better developmental trajectories than less sensitive individuals.19,30,34,35 In contrast, autistic people require supports and accommodations to thrive in modern society.24 Where there is not the capacity for the environment to adapt to and accommodate the needs of the autistic person, the environment is then disabling and significantly impacts and limits the functional capacity and wellbeing of the autistic person. ''
We are our brain, we are individuals (diverse) equals. But we tend to prefere some things over others. And we all want to fit in and be considered "normal" aka part of the group. The Pathologizing aspect is a very big difference.... between HSP & ASD, but not the only one. HSP trends not to be pathologizing view on natural diversity. ASD is pathologizing natural diversity along the line of "norm" aka the average. Which is kinda weird... because upper classes also claim to be diverse/different. Why they are fit to rule. They are smarter. The have the proper educations. They are stonger and win the physical smack down, unless taken down by a collective. This class struggle element in science is real. IMHO; Autism is more like the old-day representation.... as with other things in our culture, also due to monetizing research, Autism became the trending topic. We can see these "trends" over history with a diverse multitude of pathologies. As you noted the many overlaps with PTSD/CPTSD, HSP, and ASD. And misdiagnoses are not new to humans. And IMHO with the spectrum being HSP one pole vs Autistic the other opposite pole... make money and include HSP now as Autism. I mean many HSP have this innate issue with the ruling oppressions, make them deficiant. Pathologize them. All humans have traits of autism, that doesn't mean we all have autism. We all like order, and structure, and clearity. It's how our human brain works. Diversities also exisiting. Creative people often live in productive chaos. That doesn't mean outside their creative being they don't also like order. Their art is a form of making order in chaos, with chaos. Like organized chaos. We are more than just a binary if we are mixed. Father, Son(offspring), Holy Spirit (Mother) We are two sides, left and right hemisphere, we develop that way. Left and right brain, with distinct functions and overlaps at the same time. Split brain research also taps into this. I presume I am XY, but it might be possible I am XXY or XYY. Hi, I'm considered and labeld male because of my reproductive system having testicles and a penis and producing semen. 22 chomosomes of my mother, 22 chomosomes of my father, and a 23rd special one of my mother, and a 23rd special one of my father... my presumed total is 46. My mother had the same, as does my father... thus I am roughly half of my maternal grandmother and -father, and half of my paternal side, aka 1/4 of them. I recently was told by a friend she has Turner syndrom; X0 / X. So what do we even think we know about others or ourselves. All this also in light with the Olympics and DSD. "Disorder" of Sexual Development. Again this pathologizing angle in wordings. Very Enlightenment age mindset ego... which we also had with the Christian mindset ego which the enlightmenment came out of. Our way of understanding things has evolved, but even science harbors dark corners and aspects. Eugenics, Scientific rascism, scientific sexism, etc. One thing all humans have is an EGO; negative & positive ( + neutral) Neo-enlightenment; stop pathologizing diversity - and the push from the Neurodiverse community with "experice(d) experts". Learned about it along the way because it was part of their personal path on life. To end this pathology hysteria. Don't adjust the kinks of society (environmental factors), adjust the people. Dope them up with drugs, and make money. Illegalize certain medicinal herbs/plants and fungi. Not allowed to grow yourself and self medicate. We might also be born certain ways because of "environmental" factors. Like crack babies. People born from depressed mothers will have had their development in an environment (the womb) with the same chemical cocktails the mother has which label her as depressed. Why some children are more inclined towards depression than others. How do we treat pregnant people? How do they want to be treated? Syndrom of Down hardly "exist" is born since prenatal screening. In a way a genocide on the down diversity. Very loving and kind people, like hobbits. Also IMHO because autism was being linked to adverse side effects from vaccinations for a minute minority of people in society, often labeled as anti-vaxx, even if they are not anti but critical. Big lies; there must be no sound which will bring down herd immunity. Origins HIV - one contamminated batch or oral polio vaccines in Belgian Congo with SIV. But this is and was supressed, for a couple of reasons. Trust in the society of science is a big one, not the only one. I'm my life I heard of multiple cases of children dying because of contaminated vaccines. In overal very low % but it does happen, accidents do happen. Murphy's Law. I am not saying don't trust.... All I say; maybe be a bit more critical at points. We need herd immunity; which in the more olden days was considered to be 75% preferably more. Now days its 80-90% for herd immunity, also because we had gotten up to these numbers. And now we have this problem with Monkey Pox, and the pox with vaccinations been eliminated, and now younger generations are not vaccinated as other pox varriants have an open playing field. If we had had pox in minor cases we would have had natural selection and biological immunities. Why? We can't let the work force collapse this would collapse the economy. As many economies took hits during the corona lock down, especially those with more blue vs white collar jobs. White collar -> work from home. The global roles and positions of our nations and our personal identies are liked to economy. GDP, and your own socio-economic standings. This is the harsh reality of our post-modern lives. And even that narration is written by the elites, elite educated society. Generation X, named this way because? Y, Z.... a clear countdown to Alpha and Beta. CRISPR tech babies and genetic technologies. I am just a number; One of the 18 million inhabitants of the Netherlands. Outside the system, and in my own social bubble; I am a bit more than just a number, but I can never escape numbers. Phone numbers to connect us, IP addresses.... I can never escape my labels for the benefit of order in society; understanding myself and others/placing them in a mindspace to have order and save energy with my own CPU/Brain. Average people are WEIRD. And don't have all screws in place... that's my above average view... but they are the dominant ones. This might also be my hubris.... Since highly gifted can also be toxic in my views.... and the normies find me weird... so....I guess we are all weirdos. Now what?
This honestly sounds like a different diagram of the almost the same thing. The only difference is you aren't including all the information on the highly sensitive diagram. When one is stimulated all the time, one begins to respond differently than those who don't. Over time these social difference lead to all kinds of differences. One thing follows another. It is also possible to be really good in most areas of socializing but really bad in very specific circumstances. To be clear I believe most but not all people who are highly sensitive people are on the ASD spectrum, not all.
Thank you so much for your insight. It's a really interesting video. I would love to hear your thoughts on ADHD and HSP. As a neurodivergent, (only diagnosed 2 years ago at age 50) I am trying to sort out my alleged ASD with the possibility of being a hyper-sensitive Person or (sensory processing disorder as it is currently called in Australia)
Thanks a lot for your comment! :) I will do 2 really elaborate videos about ADHD and Neurodivergence in december this year. :) Subscribe so you won't miss them! :)
Neurotypical people don't mask. But you have hit on an important point - neurotypicals do the things that masking recreates. Masking is when you go out of your way to do the things Neurotypicals do by default. Often this is to avoid being punished for perceived ill intentions or perceived avoidable inconveniences towards "normal" people (Neurotypicals). Masking is also not just emotional. It includes many things such as avoiding stiming, changing speech / communication patterns such as: forcing eye contact and engaging in phatic conversations (small talk). Also coming up with believable (to an NT) excuses for neurodivergent behavior, visibly changing attention/activity too fast while secretly scrambling to mentally shift focus before anyone notices - and other things. Neurotypicals do all of these things, but they do it naturally and without all the drawbacks. Unless told otherwise, their experience of themselves would lead them to believe that neurotypical behavior/experience is a one to one pairing with what makes us all human (including autistics). They then proceed to interpret neurodivergent behavior from that (incomplete) lens. By default autistic experiences would appear to them as superhuman or atleast humanly impossible (such as hyer- or hypo- senses, intense accomplishments from monotropism , increased visual perception).
words do matter with our perceptions on reality; why the rise of the term neurodivergent came to be. As an counter to the pathologized perceptions and wordings. A more negative lens vs a more positive or neutral lens.
ASD and HSP have so much overlap that it’s almost illogical for them to be two separate things… the word spectrum is used for a reason and this seems like a pretty good reason. lol.
Disorder is bull shit on any of those "labels" I value this information And Yes I am who I am ❤😂🎉 It's ok to be different and yes nice and all who discarded me suffer ❤😂🎉 Thank you for your information
What about hyposensitivity? I was told by a psychologist that I am an HSP, but how does that correlate with sensory seeking / hyposensitivity when it coexists with many sensory hyper sensitivities? For background, my son and I are both highly sensory seeking and dually diagnosed autistic and ADHD “AuDHD.”
Another comment here mentioned that you can be hyper or hypo-sensitive and it’s not necessarily static for everyone. It’s different for everyone and can indeed be self contradictory to a degree.
The difference is hypersensitivity or highlysensitive will avoid whatever makes us overexcited, while with hypo they will actively seeking stimulation bcoz they are understimulate. A good diet and the right lifestyle normally helps. No clubbing, no alcohol, listen more to intrument music, walking bare feet on nature surface like grass, meditation, etc. You can learn about symphatetic and parasympathetic nervous system to understand more.
Are you telling us that you weren't shy and insecure as a kid? Sure, as an adult you may have learned to socialize on some level, but did it really come naturally to you? If so, then why is it so exhausting to you?
33:24 i am HIGHLY OFFENDED by this. I dont use my emotions to make others regulate others i have efing compassion this is such a broad stroke a statement. It is just wrong. Some of us have Really been spending our lives in introspection and when we realize we get to become our truth.
Thanks a lot for letting me know! This is absolutely weird. I checked all links and replaced them with the exact same ones. It seems to be a problem within TH-cam. Now they should all work.
so since there are graphs and statistics: is there any kind of measure for this " high sensitivity" or is this purely self determined? As in " I am highly sensitive!" ??
Consciousness and perception are hardly measurable. But a sensory processing sensitivity is broken down to your nervous system. You can measure the brain activity in certain regions and compare them. That different activity creates a different outcome in behavior and perception of an individual.
Just because you're eccentric does NOT mean you're ASD. And vice versa. There are a lot of possibilities of what could 'be wrong with you' before you should jump to the conclusion that it's ASD. ADHD, some kind of personality disorder, OCD, etc. If you appropriate someone else's disorder/struggle without a diagnosis, or without an extremely strong reason to suspect that you have that thing, you are making life harder for people who actually have ASD. You are even making life harder for people with OCD and ADD when you use these words in casual conversation. It's so important to have a therapist's evaluation (and preferably 2 or 3 different therapists) before you really come to the conclusion about what your issues are.
Hi Bill, thanks for your comment, which I totally agree with. I think so too, that you should have multiple evaluations by specialists, before you come to a conclusion.
A therapist cannot diagnose someone with autism. I am diagnosed with autism. I was diagnosed with OCD in the past. Not all people can get diagnosed with autism especially as an adult. It can be very expensive to get diagnosed with autism in some places. Some places don't diagnose adults. So I don't have a problem with people self diagnosing with autism as long as they do a lot of research. How does it hurt me as an autistic person if they self diagnose?
Hsp used to be Asperger's before Asperger's and sczoid personal ity disorder what my grandfather was diagnosed 1928.also hypomobility will put more to Asperger's with ocd before 7 ive been told
It really is impressive that you can talk this much about 1 thing (asd)- while pretending it is 2 different things.. all the things HSP experience is autistic - why are You so scared of that name?? WE KNOW BETTER NOW! 🎉 AUDHD ROCKS DUDE!!! I spent allmost a whole life decieved by this “thing” - acting all normal and shit, hell no - now im fighting back and normalising us - we are so many, everyday Numbers go up - discovering all the nerds and geeks just have an other driver installed in Their pc (metaphor Brain is wired different, not bad, mostly we are Way better than normal ppl 😅)
no, there are great differences. i relate to everything hsp, and almost nothing in the dsm 5 relating to autism. no one is scared of the name, people want a name for their issues, so one can find solutions. i think only one thing slightly overlaps and that is some sensory things, but how things are processed are different. i literally do not relate to any of the other points. i also do not mask. or '' acting all normal and shit ''. that is nothing anti autism, it is just a largely different set of issues. here are some of the differences '' Autism and high sensitivity differ in their relationship to environmental influence, information processing styles, and developmental trajectory. '' '' Both autism and high sensitivity are examples of neurodivergence. Sensitivity is a temperament trait that occurs along a continuum; high sensitivity reflects heightened reactivity to the environment and thus heightened experiences. Autism is a neurodevelopmental divergence that is either present or not. Differences in brain structure and connectivity result in qualitatively different ways of experiencing oneself and the world, including heightened experiences. '' '' While autistic people have more fixed but idiosyncratic neurodevelopmental trajectories and require lifelong accommodations to flourish, the developmental trajectories and outcomes of HSPs are strongly influenced for better and for worse depending on the environment. '' '' Research has shown that highly sensitive individuals have poorer developmental outcomes and an increased likelihood of behavioural and psychological difficulties in stressful and unsupportive early environments.19,30,31,32,33,34,35 Conversely, in supportive and highly nurturing early environments, highly sensitive people have the capacity to flourish and may have better developmental trajectories than less sensitive individuals.19,30,34,35 In contrast, autistic people require supports and accommodations to thrive in modern society.24 Where there is not the capacity for the environment to adapt to and accommodate the needs of the autistic person, the environment is then disabling and significantly impacts and limits the functional capacity and wellbeing of the autistic person. ''
If the science of HSP is the graph shown at 9:30 then you should take a really really hard look at that. You X axis is pretty much just made up. That is subjective descriptions and experiences at best. You cannot measure what is on your x axis at all. And then there is a bell curve. WHY is there a bell curve. People do not naturally behave in a gaussian distribution. Numbers can behave in a gaussian distribution. But if there is ever a bell curve in science and it describes people or animals you need to take a real hard look on why that is a bell curve. Where could have been data that someone wanted to fit into that curve and that was manipulated to fit in there. In your case I question the whole graph. I think its 100% made up, I think there is no source for this for a reason because its an unscientific piece of sh that is there to give the impression that there is data to back this or that there is a system that somehow can be proven when in fact there is nothing. You identify as HSP and not as ASD, cool stuff. But there is no scientic criteria, there is no bell curve, there is no data on this, this is a subjective thing and not an objective provable diagnosis. I know that in psychology a lot comes down to lived experience, but I dare you to find a bell curve on people with depression. It may have been an honest mistake or you just didn't think it mattered too much as long as it gave people a visual idea - but pseudoscience hurts people.
Thank you for your comment! That sounds like the bell curve and the fact that it's not real science really offended and hurt you. You're right, the graph is made up and it's purpose is to model the spread of HSPs in population. I agree that the model is subjective, and it's used for demonstration purposes only, not for a scientific backup of the topic. I will add that in future videos. Thank you!
Part 2 of the discussion: th-cam.com/video/RxqcqkQ7UDk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=6DJaFs5Uh1OjEoow
I think I'm HSP and autistic. I know I'm ASD. I have all the criteria you named for HSP. At 59, I discovered from TH-cam, what autistic masking was, and that I've been doing it all my life. I was in major burnout at the time, and had been there unknowingly for many years. When people talked about unmasking in the videos it really hurt, because I didn't have a clue who I was. I'm healing from a lifetime of trauma now. Your description of what it's like for a person who can't mask anymore is perfect. So is the way we pretend to be OK when we're not. I guess I'm so good at that, that when I see a doctor about something, I subconiously act like I'm fine. They never believe there's anything wrong with me until it's really really bad. I've now turned 60. Because I don't want to be harshly judged for not putting up the happy, fake front constantly and keeping the smile on through every conversation, I'm self-isolated. I go get food, and do the occasional other errand. That leaves me exhausted. I read autistic burnouts can take years to recover from. I hope not. Anyway, thanks for doing this comparison. Your explanations are excellent!
Thank you so much for sharing that with us. Even in age 60 it's never to late to realize your true nature. I wish you all the best, especially for your recovery from your burnout. That inspires me to do an episode about that topic in the future.
Kind regards, Robert
@@understandablepodcast I would definitely be interested in seeing you do that. I didn't know about it until last year, either. The specialist who diagnosed me was not helpful in any way. She gave me no info, no advice, and absolutely NO kindness. She didn't like it that I was an adult and wanted a formal diagnosis. The diagnosis was all I got. So 8 years later, my life was saved by TH-cam. ;-D And it's finally GREAT! Kind regards back
@@raven4090 I've also had the experience, that some clinical or health care professionals are not helpful at all.
I will do a video about burnout beginning next year then!
@@understandablepodcast I'm sorry you had that experience, too. I will look forward to that video! :)
I haven’t even watched the video yet but I have already found myself in the comments.
In 2011, 4 shortened alleles were associated with HSP in a study done in China. HSP is therefore genetic. A lot of correlation between HSP genetics and an abusive/traumatic/very invalidating environment in early very childhood, with Borderline Personality Disorder. I thought my mom was very narcissistic. She was recently, in her 60's, diagnosed with Aspergers.
I know someone else that has a BPD diagnosis with ASD and ADHD in almost every close family member, including her child.
I think we're just starting to recognize the epigenetic and psychological/emotional outcomes results of similar genetic profiles under different environmental stressors and advantages. We define these sets of symptoms and traits as a disorder/diagnosis. Then we identify ourselves and others based on these labels. The people become the label/set of traits instead of humans with genetic and experiential diversity. Some traits require adjusting to exist in society with minimal friction. Some though, are exacerbated unnecessarily by a rigid society that suffers from it's rigidity. It's outdated. Society needs to adapt. ☺
Thanks a lot for taking the time to write such long comment about your personal experience!☺
Society really could adapt to being better fit for ASD, HSP, ADHD, bc we make up a decent minority of the population.
@@hallievanoutryve3109 I understand the point. At the same time, I never want to make anyone responsible for my wellbeing. I believe it's important that we'll find our own ways inside that frame we call society to live a fulfilled and healthy life aligned with our personal and complex needs. We can all create for ourselves. Otherwise, we put ourselves in a place of a victim.
@@understandablepodcast It is a two way street. If you try to accommodate other people they should try to accommodate you.
Your comment is very interesting especially on the biological aspect of shortened alleles. Can you please point to or link to the study in HSP and/or ASP having a biological difference to neuro-divergent persons? Thank you in advance if you can provide this study or any similar study. I appreciate your posting.
Where’s the image comparisons of the brain in this talk
The literal reason I clicked 😭
False advertising
@@hiruki8 same
Wow, that’s very click bait y. Came here for brain scans…
Same! Thanks for saving me 45 minutes of my life!
The understanding of Autism is growing faster in social media and learning from people’s personal experience then research. Scientific research has come a long way in the last 5-10 years but is still so far behind.
HSP research is outdated and there are so many faults in that alone.
Autism has many traits and being sensitive is just one of them. Usually Autistic is either hypo or hyper in each trait and not necessarily static.
When you’re describing all the HSP behaviours, they really are just Autism. Just know that behaviours can be influenced depending on a persons window of tolerance, needs met, previous gaslighting and trauma, internalised and societal ableism, and masking.
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It's just a bunch of wacky genes doing some wacky brain wiring. Even if we call everything autism it's still correct
Thanks- well said.
Definitely listening to tons of social media to get the flavor and also listening to neurodiverse and neurotypical researchers- and there’s so many moving parts to understanding ASD1 (it seems that maybe ASD two and three are more easily diagnosed and understood because they tend to be more …strong? And less disputable.)
It’s a lot to understand and frame, and I think you encapsulated it really well !
Especially since the lady who "discovered" HSP based her research off of someone who later ended up being diagnosed with autism.
Kind of not. HSP is technically SPD sensory processing disorder. It's 2 names for the same thing. And there are differences between SPD/HSP and ASD. It's rare, but you can also have ASD without SPD. Around 20% of the human population falls under the SPD/HSD umbrella.
I was diagnosed as HSP/SPD at age 14. For an autism diagnosis you need to cross off symptoms in 3 areas: the sensory, social interaction and finding comfort in routine and repetition/having problems with change.
HSP is only the first area without many symptoms in the other 2. I can read people and have no problems in conversations. I like being spontaneous, I don't need a struct routine ect, BUT I'm highly sensetive to light, sound ect. My skin is both hyper and hyposensetive, my nose is useless and I gave problems with eating some textures. I'm very visual and I react strongly to music, I always stimmed.
HSP/SPD is officially part of neurodiversity and lots of autistic people have it, so there are overlaps. It's still 2 different diagnosis.
I grabbed this from the internet, from an article published this year. I'm also starting to be convinced that HSP and ASD are not different, since there is so much overlap in symptoms.
"What is the difference between cognitive empathy and emotional empathy autism?
While cognitive empathy can be lower in people with autism, affective empathy-which is based on instincts and involuntary responses to the emotions of others-can be strong and overwhelming. In fact, newer research suggests that some people with autism may actually feel other people's emotions more intensely."
th-cam.com/video/T1Xt7Bc3CEY/w-d-xo.html - this video is what changed my mind
Thanks a lot for your comment and your input. That also might emphasize that HSP and ASD are probably more similar as we thought before. That is also what Dr. Sage kind of suggested.
People with ASD are highly empathetic, but experience or process emotion in a different way than NTs. We can learn how recognize and communicate and support an NT individual in their way, and many do from such a young age, it seems natural. I think the DSM is very poorly written from an NT perspective. People with ASD level 1 are very good at empathizing with and supporting other people with ASD level 1 (and 2 and 3). From my experience, NTs are horribly bad at empathizing with autistic individuals. New research is learning it’s not a deficit in empathy, but a double empathy problem.
I think it's more a matter of HSP is one manifestation (or profile) of Sensory Processing Disorder (SPD), where SPD can include mixtures of both hyper and hypo sensitivity across all sensory inputs.
SPD is a core diagnostic criteria for ASD, but not necessarily the HSP profile of SPD.
Similarly, people can have SPD without being ASD, though they may still relate to the ASD experiences around sensory inputs.
Note: sorry if using the word 'disorder' feels problematic here. I agree that myself being ASD does not inherently mean I am wrong/broken, but it definitely makes my existence in this inhospitable world disordered. This world wasn't made for me, and being ASD definitely makes it harder for me to survive here, so I very much need it to be acknowledged as a disability (as long as the world continues to be unaccommodating). Similarly HSP are not wrong, though they may find the world difficult, so I intend no judgement when I connect it with SPD 🤗
Also the thing about self-reflection. Self-reflection is something I often obsess over. The more information I get about ASD the more I feel like we have like a music or audio board type thing with different elements being on different slides and dials and as autistics, we each have our scales set to or locked within certain ranges, and where it might be that my settings for audio stimulus for example, might be between X and Y for tolerance and comfort range, but someone else on the spectrum might have a range from C to G.
Wow your channel and content may be the best I’ve ever watched. Incredible!! I was just diagnosed ASD with ADHD in my late 40’s, it’s been such a relief to know I am ok after all. Will definitely be watching all your videos. Thank you so so much!
Wow, that comment made my day! Thank you so much for the beautiful compliment. Sending a lot of love over to you!
Thank you for all the fruitful comments. I will continue the discussion about Autism in the following videos about ADHD, CPTSD and Neurodivergency in November/December this year! Make sure to subscribe, so you won't miss them! ☺
0:00 Autism Sketch
0:21 Overview: What you will understand today
2:06 The confusion with HSP & ASD
5:30 The definition of High Sensitivity (HSP)
10:08 The definition of Autism (ASD)
14:00 Similarities and Differences between HSP & ASD
16:39 Signs you might be an HSP
18:35 6 Signs you might be an ASD
26:55 Can you be HSP & ASD at the same time?
29:09 (Un-)conscious masking
38:20 What to do, when you’re HSP or ASD?
41:26 Outro
HSP was a response to the over-masculine definitions of ASD.
They are basically the same phenomenon.
Thank you for your point of view!
I hate this HSP term. It was made for people who are uncomfortable with the autism diagnosis because of the stigma and it’s the reason why I’ve lived 42 years with undiagnosed autism. Instead of correcting the misconceptions about autism (lack of empathy) they just invented another term.
No, there is a difference. When my neurologist does my brain scans, I can have peaking even in a blackout room. I'm a HSP. Your brain and nervous system is completely wired a certain way. My diagnosis has been a life saver because my vagal/vagus nerve doesn't regulate when I'm overwhelmed causing bradycardia. My heart will try and shut down. I have two cardiologists, along with other therapists. No there is 💯 a neurological difference!
I'm sorry if anyone feels that autistic individuals are misdiagnosed or the stereotype that women are labeled sensitive while males are autistic.
@@nesxya So interesting!!
@@Enjoytheshow435 we are completely wrong! You sound frustrated. I am an HSP as well, and we are definitely different from people who are autistic! We are not like you! I prefer being an HSP 💯,because we don’t have these massive social problems that people with autism have.
I’ve been diagnosed with AudHD.
I don’t struggle with empathy at all Infact I experience too much, it’s very exhausting and makes me withdraw. Also makes me vulnerable to people who take advantage.
I also don’t struggle with social interactions because I don’t understand faces, it’s because I understand too much and can spot micro expressions that neurotypical people don’t spot (there is good research on this).it’s so cringey watching someone force a conversation with someone who clearly just wants to get away 😖
I don’t like socialising because I have no idea why I should engage in small talk and conversation I’m not interested in. I don’t have the ability or attention span to gossip or talk about things that seem pointless to me like the kardashians 😂
Where as neurotypicals may feel obligated to engage for social purposes.
Thank you a lot for sharing that! :)
I stumbled across your video, so is my first that I have watched from your channel. Thank you for taking the time to create and post such an important topic. I was recently diagnosed as an ASD female in my early 50's earlier this year. I have always known I was a HSP since I have understood what it is since I was young. I am definitely both. I am highly empathic to both people and animals, but I do struggle with communication and correct expression of my feelings. It is.interesting to study the relationship between the two (HSP and ASD). I am newly subscribed now and look forward to watching more videos past and future uploads.
Wow, thanks for sharing your story. It makes me happy that you could find yourself in the content. :) I feel the same. Highly empathetic, but I do struggle with communication and correct expression of my feelings. It seems to be so typical.
I'm in my 40s. I know I'm an HSP. I was identified in my 20s, and I tend to top the HSP charts. Recently, I've taken several autism tests/questionnaires online and have consistently seen results that I fall on the autism spectrum. I'm now wondering if I may be both. So I appreciate this video. Thank you!
You're welcome! :)
I realised I am hypersensible at 42. By then I have lived through 42 years of trauma, my parents are Narcissists. I also had even more signs of Autism than one of my partners, who is an Aspergers, at the least.I was a dreamer, introverted AND shy, since I was little but also had phases of hyperactivity and-at least to the outer world, all the signs of Borderline personality disorder. Only three years ago I realised I have Cptsd and only a few months ago I came across the term neurodiversity. To me, it's all kind of a mash up of personality and reactions to my abusive home. The only thing interesting to know for me would be- what was there, first. I am the way I am, sometimes I can cope better, sometimes not so well. Since healing from CPTSD for about two years now, I'm really well off and my trauma responses are almost fully gone. But there is still a lot ablut me than has always been there, still is there and probably always will be there, ie part of me. I've found myself the right people, some are a lot like me, most aren't. But all of them are respectful and take and like me as I am. Listening to this video at the moment, I've had the incredible idea that HSP could be something I always considered myself to be: I'm like an animal which is always on the run, always prepared to flee. Maybe HSP is a "human" way to process a dangerous life, because mainly it's the sensory abilities which are always on alert
Hey Daniela, thanks for your comment, which I loved reading.
The question of what was first is a question most of us have I think. Some aspects may be there from when you were born. Other things may be learned. The nervous system can become more sensitive over time. At least this is what we observe.
But however it is, you are great the way you are.
And yea, being HSP means constantly being alert in a way. But also means being constantly aware of all the beautiful things. :) Lots of love to you!
Hiya! I'm just curious I saw you are cptsd, you mentioned always on the run and flee, I'm curious if you know hypervigilence is a huge chunk of cptsd, where your brain shuts down only functions on fight or flight and rational areas don't function.
Also I'm so pleased to read you are "okay" and quite positive after such a life. Cheers!
I really liked the description of masking-I thought the examples were very detailed, typical, and relevant.
I'm ASD, and very much identify as Highly Sensitive or even an Empathy (excess mirror neurones combined with synesthesia resulting in feeling what you see/hear).
Had a genuine light bulb moment during the exploration of masking! Initially I didn't connect with the explanation of ASD masking, as I very much do not fake compassion when someone is sad, however masking to mirror happiness when I am not! 🤯 Yes, this, all of this. In a sense, all the emotions flow in (though I don't always have capacity to take them on eg in burnout/shut down/overwhelm), but I select what is allowed to flow back out (mask/filter) depending on the needs of others.
The point about masking being survival is potentially the key difference for ASD, as we tend to have our emotions rejected/condemned (often have atypical response, eg desperation manifesting as manic laughter or overwhelm as rocking/flapping), so if we are able to mask we learn to keep our emotions inside to avoid social rejection.
The critical consequence of Masking is not having our needs met. I mask so well (and can't turn it off, it's like fighting your fight/flight response, in this case it probably matches well with faun) that when I'm at breaking point and asking for help, people see no urgency and dismiss me. I have mastered how to listen, but I very much don't know what to do to be heard.
There are not two spectrums, there is one. Not everyone has autistic traits at ll. You do match the autism spectrum, I can see it and I'm not alone.
I don’t mind being on the ASD spectrum. Thanks for sharing!
Do you mind respectfully sharing the traits? I’m trying to discern what’s going on for myself. I have traits of both, but not sure if (I hate to say it) autistic enough. I’m definitely sensitive & other things.My councillor whose daughter is diagnosed ASD said that she can see it in me. She herself doesn’t diagnose patients. I’m wondering what you see. Thank you
@@tajos703 If you have ADHD as well as ASD you may find that neither sets of traits seems to truly fit. Many people who are both use the term AuDHD. The only way to TRULY know is to get a proper diagnosis, but getting one isn’t for everyone. I’m 52 and have only been diagnosed for both for less than 3 months and was diagnosed with ADHD combined type only for about 5 months at this point. I easily was able to identify as a HSP but that is not an actual mental disorder. You will not be able to be diagnosed as it’s an identity not a diagnosis. There is no such thing as HSP in the DSM 5.
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Thanks for posting this.💜 I've recently been watching quite a bit of content regarding the difference between the two, and I really like how you presented the information. I'm currently in the process of seeking an ASD evaluation as there are things I have experienced my whole life that I thought was HSP related.
I've learned a lot by watching Dr. Sage's videos, along with other content creators on YT, and reading up on the subject. Unmasking Autism by Dr. Devon Price was a real eye opener for me.
Hi Gracie, thanks a lot for sharing! I do also recognize myself in some of the ASD characteristics, such as having a specific set of interests and some of the social challenges.
It's so valuable to shed a light on the comparison of the two.
Im very sensitive to myself not the others. In my early childhood it was impossible to mask how much I was struggling with it and how much my brain was inflammated. Neurofeedback reduce inflammation and make me able to pick sound and visual information in synch and in more natural way. I am not masking that much because my sense are working better but I still struggle with conversation. My mother have hashimoto disease and I think that disrupt me seriously. I still think autism is threatning because i know peoples on the spectrum that are very very very disabled even worst than myself before neurofeedback.
Also what you said about masking is spot on!
Thank you!
Autistc people are said to miss/have less mirror neurons in their brain. HSP have more than average. Or so was said in the recent past.
This is what I refer towards when I say they are opposites of the spectrum.
Really interesting. ADHD is missing in the discussion.
I will do an extra video about ADHD soon!
Please discuss the differences; ADHD /ADD
@@ashleycates1578 I did in the newest video! Have a look 👀
Also giftedness presents similarly to ASD
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Wonderful subject. I have waited for this for a long time. Great way of describing about masking and feelings.
Beautiful comment! That made my day. :) Thank you a lot!!
It was a really important puzzle piece to help me understand my way of coping in a trauma i have struggeled to understand in 5 years.
Im happy to have made your day. And you are welcome!
@@jl4185 Ahh, that's so nice, it was an important puzzle piece. I will also do a video about CPTSD and Autism in the future. Maybe that will be another piece as well. :)
Stumbled upon your video. Fun watching and listening.
I was diagnosed with ASD & HDHD although a sister in law is still convinced I'm HSP.
The luckiest thing of all three is that coping with overload requires the same (or similar) tactics to deal with that.
Thanks a lot for sharing here! :)
@@understandablepodcast And after letting it all sink in.. I think HSP is indeed a part of ASD.
I used to identify as HSP. I've now been (late) diagnosed as autistic (Asperger's).
Thanks for sharing! What were the exact criteria that you were missing out before?
@@understandablepodcast honestly, your definition of HSP seems to be autism traits. Just because you're autistic doesn't mean you're awkward. I would have never said I had issues socializing. No one who interacts with me even thought I was autistic. When I started researching the traits in women, I realized I was. But I obviously mask. I don't fit any of the norms such as being unemployed, awkward, etc. I am an overachiever, I've always had a job, I am seen as an extrovert at work, highly educated, artistic, very empathetic, very introspective, disciplined, controlled, etc. I withdraw from people because it's exhausting and I need to recover. I think as another commenter said, the research on HSP is outdated and the definition of autism has changed a lot. Autism used to be associated with white males (and it was when I originally researched it). I didn't even know women could be autistic.
@@rachelb4235That's not even autism. Autism is debilitating. If you can mask so morbidly well and keep functioning optimally for years in a row, it's not even a handicap. That's "one in a Million autism case" , and its absolutely ridiculous to make a rule out of the extreme exceptions and try negate with it all the millions of suffering ones of us.
@@keylanoslokj1806 I have a medical diagnosis for autism. I'd recommend doing some more research before you disregard people who you believe don't meet your personal criteria. My characteristics are normal for a lot of women with autism.
@@rachelb4235 yeah more like fauxtism. Thank the devil for your natural lying/masking capabilities then ig... .
I would invite any neurodiverse/highly empathetic person to read up on dr Peter levine and somatic experiencing therapy
This is literally the modality that teaches you to repair/bulletproof your nervous system from overwhelm whilst eventually processing the underlying emotional wounds that cause it to me so reactive in the first
Thanks a lot for the recommendation! I love his work for years and will add this to future episodes as well. Thank you.
I dealt with my trauma and I am still having problems with sensory sensitivities because I am autistic. Sensory overload could be due to lack of pruning in the brain.
Super cool video. I have been curious about the similarities between the two. Thank you.
I am a HSP. I have a neurologist. It does show up in EEG scans as spiking or peaking even in a blackout room. Autism shows up differently. My brain mass is normal my wiring is not. Autism shows up with differences in brain mass, usually enlaged parts.
Also my vagus/vagal nerve doesn't regulate. I have two cardiologists and other specialists.
So yes HSP is different!
So interesting! Thanks for sharing!!
So much of what you say Robert re masking makes sense and resonates with me particularly since I had a 31 year career in customer service however socially I would sometimes struggle to maintain eye contact is just one example.Thank you
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These disorders that keep getting created just because people are.neurodivergent is getting out of hand. I know I'm a highly sensitive person and also an empath. As to why?? growing up sensitive and not being acknowledged for my way of being or taught about my gifts left me in a constant hiding fight-or-flight whatever you want to call it. So there is the emotional aspect of the HSP you're not really talking about.
Also the older I've gotten the more sensitive I have become. I honestly believe this is because of the stress to the nervous system. This will make you 10 times more sensitive and reactive to all of the wonderful things that the corporations have put into our society. Like the way we take care of our bodies chemicals, environmental, and much more. Basically we are already maxed out and so therefore these things take a harder tole on our bodies and we are much more reactive. The question is where did autism come from because most kids get it at a very young age. There's been lots of information as far as vaccines pointing to that being the cause. There are way too many crossovers. way too many complicated expressions for something new that comes along that is just people being different.
Thank you for adding this! The perspective of getting more sensitive the older you get is really logic. Haven't thought about this one!
@criticalthinker9464 I have thought this EXACT thought before, it is even worded like my brain thinks.
Pretty sure vaccines don’t cause it - autism has been around since before vaccines existed, and what about the unvaccinated kids who get diagnosed with it?
HSP is not a disorder, as stated in the video, nor is an empath. Being an empath is just a label people give themselves (I don't believe it has any research behind it)
I think some of the desire to label these things is to help people get the awareness, support, & understanding that can benefit them, & not the ignorance that can harm them. There’s also the crossover with PTSD. Sometimes we can finds tools, councilling, & accommodations that are helpful. I understand your frustration. I hope you find some reprieve from the stress on your nervous system. I, myself, turn to nature & try to get to the root, not the branches. Good luck ❤
All the research I've done on HSP and Autism has led me to believe the biggest difference between them is that HSP's are born highly sensitive (almost positive anyway) and the traits Autistic people have are learned responses or coping skills they develop in the first 5 years or so when their brains were being developed. My theory is that most, if not all, ASD's are HSP's but not all HSP's end up being ASD's. The only logical reason for many of the traits, habits, whatever you want to call them is that their brains and bodies were in various stages of trauma when they were developed.
I remember talking to a pregnant friend years ago and she told me in great detail what she went through giving birth to her other kids and it got me thinking about the baby's perspective and how traumatizing it would be.. especially if it was a difficult labor. They get ripped out of the mother, exposed to a cold room, the umbilical chord cut, & the doctor does his/her thing to get them to take their first breath. It sounds terrifying and extremely stressful. If they're lucky then they'll get put into their mother's loving arms which makes them feel safe and the mom overcome with love triggering your nervous system to release the calm down chemicals which takes their brains out of trauma. What if there were complications though and baby &/or mom were under extreme stress and after 24 hours the doctor finally makes the call to have an emergency C-section and baby and mother don't get to bond right away to calm each other down and it causes baby to get stuck in freeze mode because it didn't have the option of fight or flight. Our brains haven't evolved that much from the caveman days when it was essential for it to take over when a threat was a threat was detected .. Signals go out to release cortisol and adrenaline and all available resources go to the functions needed for either fighting the threat, fleeing from it, or freezing. All other functions are shut off until your brain gets the message that you are safe and it sends out the signal to calm everything down and lets us think logically again instead of being driven by fear. With the world as it is today that process can do us more harm than good. Chronic stress has many of us in a constant state of hyper vigilance as our brain reads that stress as a threat and all it takes is 1 little thing to cause us even a little bit of stress for it to trigger fight or flight mode. Cortisol & adrenaline that aren't needed flood our system anyway wreaking havoc on our bodies and can lead to auto immune diseases and many other problems. If it can mess up an adult brain, what do you think it'll do to a developing infant brain stuck in freeze mode because it they put it on display in the nursery instead of the safety of it's other's arms. Autistic children hand flap because their hands hurt from the cortisol. They have to find ways to think and function without having access to the parts of the brain they need. So please can you stop signaling to them that there's something wrong with them and embrace the little quirks they've developed? They're not weird, they're survivors.
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Dear Holly, thank you so much for your elaborate explanation. I will pin your comment! ☺
@@understandablepodcast Thank you! I googled it to see if anyone else has figured this out and found o study that says "Per Viola M. Frymann D.O., F.A.A.O., F.C.A., at least 80% of all children who live with attention deficit disorder (ADD), attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) or autism experienced some sort of birth injury."
They don't link it to trauma though and what our brain's response to trauma does if it stays in a state of trauma. I am going to spend today contacting anyone and everyone I can find in the field because this urgently needs to be known. The medical field is not taking the effects of trauma on our brains and bodies seriously. I read in a few places that it's not even part of a doctor's education which shocked me because the brain's response to trauma causes tons of illnesses and explains so many symptoms of things like autoimmune diseases. If this can get a light shed in it it would be a major break through and would end so much suffering. It's not hard to fix this problem either because there are simple things you can do to trigger the vagus nerve which is responsible for sending the signals to calm your brain and nervous system down and take your brain out of trauma. The answer is an ear rub or neck rub away.
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Good theory! Birth complications run on my mother's side and autism comes with it.
people are born autistic! it develops during pregnancy at first .....!
It's a cool tgeory, but that's not it. Ptsd, childhood trauma was what people originally thought ASD was coming from, which was thankfully debunked decades ago. Because especially mothers got into the spotlight of somehow gaving traumatized their children and falsely accused of being terrible parents. Let's not go back to these times.
( Just on a site note: I have HSP/SPD, but not ASD. I was an emergency c-section, was too early and in an incubator the first night. )
There are overlaps between the 2 diagnosis and almost all people with ASD have SPD, though not all. You can be autistic without gaving sensory processing disorder. There is a pretty big TH-camr here, that has ASD wothout SPD.
I think HSP is between "neurotypical" and autism. Around 20% of the human population have HSP/SPD. It's considered neurodivergence.
What we know is that f.e. sulforaphan helps with a lot of the symptoms. It helps with social interaction and being able to read social cues. It's in brokkoli, but you need the extract from it. There is a theory that some nutrients that are essential don't get absorbed enough ans that causes problems for the brain and brain development. F.e. sulforaphan helps with getting rid of free radicals and is anti inflanmatory. A lot of auristic children also have digestive problems and do well with a ketogenic diet. There seems to be some connections in that area, but more research needs to be done. Of you are interested please read in that direction.
Sorry for my English. It's not my first language.
Difference made simple
Autism = external biased clinical observations
HSP = the actual internal lived experience
Then HSP researchers who don't know what autism is internally create another us vs them wall between being autistic and HSP because they can't accept having a stereotyped stigmatised label applied to themselves. Just like the originally researchers of autism...
What I do like about HSP though is its accurately describes the internal experience of being autistic (when its not actively trying to pretend it's not autism) unlike the medical external definitions of autism which are entirely negatively focused and not talking about the whole person.
My PHD clinical psychologist at a world renowned autism clinic (with over 50 years experience) who diagnosed me with autism also told me the root cause of autism is they are a highly sensitive person and then went on to describe the exact same features as HSP. There is no difference and denying that is not helping anyone especially yourself. I have seen multiple families struggling so much claiming just HSP because they don't want to accept they are autistic. There is nothing wrong with being autistic as you are still just a highly sensitive person. Autism is just unfortunately misunderstood by those not aware of what it actually is.
Thanks for sharing your expertise!
I personally don't care how the label is called in the end. People with autism are wonderful!
@@understandablepodcast yes likewise, though I will be very interested to see what it will eventually end up being called. I also forgot to mention my original post wasn't directed at you or your video at all but just wanted to post the quick description at the top...followed by the perfectionist essay below (lol) to back it up. Ah such is life of our kind. I think ultimately once those who separate us all medically converge neurodivergent conditions into a single spectrum with HSP like internal understanding all humans will benefit.
@@glenrose7482 I totally agree. I'm also curious how we will call it in the end. One thing I learned, especially from my experience with therapy is, that we should not overthink and overanalyse this things.
Still, I love your explanations and insights. Thanks for adding these here!
it actually seems the experiences are largely different. i relate to all of hsp and literally don't relate to most criteria of autism in the dsm 5. it has nothing to do with not wanting to accept one is autistic, most aspects do not overlap.
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'' Autism and high sensitivity differ in their relationship to environmental influence, information processing styles, and developmental trajectory. ''
'' Both autism and high sensitivity are examples of neurodivergence. Sensitivity is a temperament trait that occurs along a continuum; high sensitivity reflects heightened reactivity to the environment and thus heightened experiences.
Autism is a neurodevelopmental divergence that is either present or not. Differences in brain structure and connectivity result in qualitatively different ways of experiencing oneself and the world, including heightened experiences. ''
'' While autistic people have more fixed but idiosyncratic neurodevelopmental trajectories and require lifelong accommodations to flourish, the developmental trajectories and outcomes of HSPs are strongly influenced for better and for worse depending on the environment. ''
'' Research has shown that highly sensitive individuals have poorer developmental outcomes and an increased likelihood of behavioural and psychological difficulties in stressful and unsupportive early environments.19,30,31,32,33,34,35 Conversely, in supportive and highly nurturing early environments, highly sensitive people have the capacity to flourish and may have better developmental trajectories than less sensitive individuals.19,30,34,35
In contrast, autistic people require supports and accommodations to thrive in modern society.24 Where there is not the capacity for the environment to adapt to and accommodate the needs of the autistic person, the environment is then disabling and significantly impacts and limits the functional capacity and wellbeing of the autistic person. ''
We are our brain, we are individuals (diverse) equals. But we tend to prefere some things over others. And we all want to fit in and be considered "normal" aka part of the group. The Pathologizing aspect is a very big difference.... between HSP & ASD, but not the only one.
HSP trends not to be pathologizing view on natural diversity.
ASD is pathologizing natural diversity along the line of "norm" aka the average.
Which is kinda weird... because upper classes also claim to be diverse/different.
Why they are fit to rule. They are smarter. The have the proper educations.
They are stonger and win the physical smack down, unless taken down by a collective.
This class struggle element in science is real.
IMHO; Autism is more like the old-day representation.... as with other things in our culture, also due to monetizing research, Autism became the trending topic. We can see these "trends" over history with a diverse multitude of pathologies.
As you noted the many overlaps with PTSD/CPTSD, HSP, and ASD. And misdiagnoses are not new to humans.
And IMHO with the spectrum being HSP one pole vs Autistic the other opposite pole... make money and include HSP now as Autism.
I mean many HSP have this innate issue with the ruling oppressions, make them deficiant. Pathologize them.
All humans have traits of autism, that doesn't mean we all have autism.
We all like order, and structure, and clearity. It's how our human brain works.
Diversities also exisiting.
Creative people often live in productive chaos. That doesn't mean outside their creative being they don't also like order. Their art is a form of making order in chaos, with chaos. Like organized chaos.
We are more than just a binary if we are mixed. Father, Son(offspring), Holy Spirit (Mother)
We are two sides, left and right hemisphere, we develop that way. Left and right brain, with distinct functions and overlaps at the same time.
Split brain research also taps into this.
I presume I am XY, but it might be possible I am XXY or XYY. Hi, I'm considered and labeld male because of my reproductive system having testicles and a penis and producing semen.
22 chomosomes of my mother, 22 chomosomes of my father, and a 23rd special one of my mother, and a 23rd special one of my father... my presumed total is 46.
My mother had the same, as does my father... thus I am roughly half of my maternal grandmother and -father, and half of my paternal side, aka 1/4 of them.
I recently was told by a friend she has Turner syndrom; X0 / X. So what do we even think we know about others or ourselves.
All this also in light with the Olympics and DSD. "Disorder" of Sexual Development.
Again this pathologizing angle in wordings.
Very Enlightenment age mindset ego... which we also had with the Christian mindset ego which the enlightmenment came out of.
Our way of understanding things has evolved, but even science harbors dark corners and aspects.
Eugenics, Scientific rascism, scientific sexism, etc.
One thing all humans have is an EGO; negative & positive ( + neutral)
Neo-enlightenment; stop pathologizing diversity - and the push from the Neurodiverse community with "experice(d) experts". Learned about it along the way because it was part of their personal path on life.
To end this pathology hysteria.
Don't adjust the kinks of society (environmental factors), adjust the people.
Dope them up with drugs, and make money.
Illegalize certain medicinal herbs/plants and fungi.
Not allowed to grow yourself and self medicate.
We might also be born certain ways because of "environmental" factors.
Like crack babies.
People born from depressed mothers will have had their development in an environment (the womb) with the same chemical cocktails the mother has which label her as depressed. Why some children are more inclined towards depression than others.
How do we treat pregnant people? How do they want to be treated?
Syndrom of Down hardly "exist" is born since prenatal screening. In a way a genocide on the down diversity. Very loving and kind people, like hobbits.
Also IMHO because autism was being linked to adverse side effects from vaccinations for a minute minority of people in society, often labeled as anti-vaxx, even if they are not anti but critical.
Big lies; there must be no sound which will bring down herd immunity.
Origins HIV - one contamminated batch or oral polio vaccines in Belgian Congo with SIV. But this is and was supressed, for a couple of reasons.
Trust in the society of science is a big one, not the only one.
I'm my life I heard of multiple cases of children dying because of contaminated vaccines. In overal very low % but it does happen, accidents do happen.
Murphy's Law.
I am not saying don't trust....
All I say; maybe be a bit more critical at points.
We need herd immunity; which in the more olden days was considered to be 75% preferably more.
Now days its 80-90% for herd immunity, also because we had gotten up to these numbers.
And now we have this problem with Monkey Pox, and the pox with vaccinations been eliminated, and now younger generations are not vaccinated as other pox varriants have an open playing field. If we had had pox in minor cases we would have had natural selection and biological immunities.
Why?
We can't let the work force collapse this would collapse the economy. As many economies took hits during the corona lock down, especially those with more blue vs white collar jobs. White collar -> work from home.
The global roles and positions of our nations and our personal identies are liked to economy. GDP, and your own socio-economic standings.
This is the harsh reality of our post-modern lives.
And even that narration is written by the elites, elite educated society. Generation X, named this way because? Y, Z.... a clear countdown to Alpha and Beta. CRISPR tech babies and genetic technologies.
I am just a number; One of the 18 million inhabitants of the Netherlands.
Outside the system, and in my own social bubble; I am a bit more than just a number, but I can never escape numbers. Phone numbers to connect us, IP addresses.... I can never escape my labels for the benefit of order in society; understanding myself and others/placing them in a mindspace to have order and save energy with my own CPU/Brain.
Average people are WEIRD. And don't have all screws in place... that's my above average view... but they are the dominant ones.
This might also be my hubris.... Since highly gifted can also be toxic in my views.... and the normies find me weird... so....I guess we are all weirdos.
Now what?
This honestly sounds like a different diagram of the almost the same thing. The only difference is you aren't including all the information on the highly sensitive diagram. When one is stimulated all the time, one begins to respond differently than those who don't. Over time these social difference lead to all kinds of differences. One thing follows another. It is also possible to be really good in most areas of socializing but really bad in very specific circumstances. To be clear I believe most but not all people who are highly sensitive people are on the ASD spectrum, not all.
Thank you so much for your insight. It's a really interesting video. I would love to hear your thoughts on ADHD and HSP. As a neurodivergent, (only diagnosed 2 years ago at age 50) I am trying to sort out my alleged ASD with the possibility of being a hyper-sensitive Person or (sensory processing disorder as it is currently called in Australia)
Thanks a lot for your comment! :) I will do 2 really elaborate videos about ADHD and Neurodivergence in december this year. :) Subscribe so you won't miss them! :)
Neurotypical people don't mask. But you have hit on an important point - neurotypicals do the things that masking recreates. Masking is when you go out of your way to do the things Neurotypicals do by default. Often this is to avoid being punished for perceived ill intentions or perceived avoidable inconveniences towards "normal" people (Neurotypicals). Masking is also not just emotional. It includes many things such as avoiding stiming, changing speech / communication patterns such as: forcing eye contact and engaging in phatic conversations (small talk). Also coming up with believable (to an NT) excuses for neurodivergent behavior, visibly changing attention/activity too fast while secretly scrambling to mentally shift focus before anyone notices - and other things. Neurotypicals do all of these things, but they do it naturally and without all the drawbacks. Unless told otherwise, their experience of themselves would lead them to believe that neurotypical behavior/experience is a one to one pairing with what makes us all human (including autistics). They then proceed to interpret neurodivergent behavior from that (incomplete) lens. By default autistic experiences would appear to them as superhuman or atleast humanly impossible (such as hyer- or hypo- senses, intense accomplishments from monotropism , increased visual perception).
Thanks for adding that!
words do matter with our perceptions on reality; why the rise of the term neurodivergent came to be. As an counter to the pathologized perceptions and wordings. A more negative lens vs a more positive or neutral lens.
ASD and HSP have so much overlap that it’s almost illogical for them to be two separate things… the word spectrum is used for a reason and this seems like a pretty good reason. lol.
Disorder is bull shit on any of those "labels"
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What about hyposensitivity? I was told by a psychologist that I am an HSP, but how does that correlate with sensory seeking / hyposensitivity when it coexists with many sensory hyper sensitivities? For background, my son and I are both highly sensory seeking and dually diagnosed autistic and ADHD “AuDHD.”
Thanks for your comment!
I haven't looked into hyposensitivity too much. But that could be an interesting topic for another video. :)
Another comment here mentioned that you can be hyper or hypo-sensitive and it’s not necessarily static for everyone. It’s different for everyone and can indeed be self contradictory to a degree.
The difference is hypersensitivity or highlysensitive will avoid whatever makes us overexcited, while with hypo they will actively seeking stimulation bcoz they are understimulate. A good diet and the right lifestyle normally helps. No clubbing, no alcohol, listen more to intrument music, walking bare feet on nature surface like grass, meditation, etc. You can learn about symphatetic and parasympathetic nervous system to understand more.
@@LIA-LHS yes, my son does prefer walking barefoot in nature. He is quite the hiker.
HSP is not a medical diagnosis.
thanks for the info I deal with Aspergers
Are you telling us that you weren't shy and insecure as a kid? Sure, as an adult you may have learned to socialize on some level, but did it really come naturally to you? If so, then why is it so exhausting to you?
I was super shy and insecure as a child.
33:24 i am HIGHLY OFFENDED by this. I dont use my emotions to make others regulate others i have efing compassion this is such a broad stroke a statement. It is just wrong. Some of us have Really been spending our lives in introspection and when we realize we get to become our truth.
Thanks a lot for adding this. Anything I say is highly individual. There might be a lot of people for whom masking works way different.
Great video thank you
Thank you! :)
None of the 'resources' links are working
Thanks a lot for letting me know! This is absolutely weird. I checked all links and replaced them with the exact same ones. It seems to be a problem within TH-cam. Now they should all work.
so since there are graphs and statistics: is there any kind of measure for this " high sensitivity" or is this purely self determined? As in " I am highly sensitive!" ??
Consciousness and perception are hardly measurable. But a sensory processing sensitivity is broken down to your nervous system. You can measure the brain activity in certain regions and compare them. That different activity creates a different outcome in behavior and perception of an individual.
HSP is not an official medical diagnosis.
Hello are you a psychologist or psychiatrist? Thank you
I am not - I worked with 3 therapists myself as a client.
Me: Watching this on 1.5 speed… 😅
Just because you're eccentric does NOT mean you're ASD. And vice versa. There are a lot of possibilities of what could 'be wrong with you' before you should jump to the conclusion that it's ASD. ADHD, some kind of personality disorder, OCD, etc. If you appropriate someone else's disorder/struggle without a diagnosis, or without an extremely strong reason to suspect that you have that thing, you are making life harder for people who actually have ASD. You are even making life harder for people with OCD and ADD when you use these words in casual conversation. It's so important to have a therapist's evaluation (and preferably 2 or 3 different therapists) before you really come to the conclusion about what your issues are.
Hi Bill, thanks for your comment, which I totally agree with. I think so too, that you should have multiple evaluations by specialists, before you come to a conclusion.
A therapist cannot diagnose someone with autism. I am diagnosed with autism. I was diagnosed
with OCD in the past. Not all people can get diagnosed with autism especially as an adult. It can be very expensive to get diagnosed with autism in some places. Some places don't diagnose adults. So I don't have a problem with people self diagnosing with autism as long as they do a lot of research. How does it hurt me as an autistic person if they self diagnose?
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Hsp used to be Asperger's before Asperger's and sczoid personal ity disorder what my grandfather was diagnosed 1928.also hypomobility will put more to Asperger's with ocd before 7 ive been told
HSP was not a concept in 1928, It was researched by Elaine Aaron late in the 20th Century
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It really is impressive that you can talk this much about 1 thing (asd)- while pretending it is 2 different things.. all the things HSP experience is autistic - why are You so scared of that name?? WE KNOW BETTER NOW! 🎉 AUDHD ROCKS DUDE!!!
I spent allmost a whole life decieved by this “thing” - acting all normal and shit, hell no - now im fighting back and normalising us - we are so many, everyday Numbers go up - discovering all the nerds and geeks just have an other driver installed in Their pc (metaphor Brain is wired different, not bad, mostly we are Way better than normal ppl 😅)
no, there are great differences. i relate to everything hsp, and almost nothing in the dsm 5 relating to autism.
no one is scared of the name, people want a name for their issues, so one can find solutions. i think only one thing slightly overlaps and that is some sensory things, but how things are processed are different. i literally do not relate to any of the other points. i also do not mask. or '' acting all normal and shit ''. that is nothing anti autism, it is just a largely different set of issues.
here are some of the differences
'' Autism and high sensitivity differ in their relationship to environmental influence, information processing styles, and developmental trajectory. ''
'' Both autism and high sensitivity are examples of neurodivergence. Sensitivity is a temperament trait that occurs along a continuum; high sensitivity reflects heightened reactivity to the environment and thus heightened experiences.
Autism is a neurodevelopmental divergence that is either present or not. Differences in brain structure and connectivity result in qualitatively different ways of experiencing oneself and the world, including heightened experiences. ''
'' While autistic people have more fixed but idiosyncratic neurodevelopmental trajectories and require lifelong accommodations to flourish, the developmental trajectories and outcomes of HSPs are strongly influenced for better and for worse depending on the environment. ''
'' Research has shown that highly sensitive individuals have poorer developmental outcomes and an increased likelihood of behavioural and psychological difficulties in stressful and unsupportive early environments.19,30,31,32,33,34,35 Conversely, in supportive and highly nurturing early environments, highly sensitive people have the capacity to flourish and may have better developmental trajectories than less sensitive individuals.19,30,34,35
In contrast, autistic people require supports and accommodations to thrive in modern society.24 Where there is not the capacity for the environment to adapt to and accommodate the needs of the autistic person, the environment is then disabling and significantly impacts and limits the functional capacity and wellbeing of the autistic person. ''
What does he say after 17:23?
I do say "What is characteristic for highly sensitive people is that they have high empathy and high compassion." :)
If the science of HSP is the graph shown at 9:30 then you should take a really really hard look at that. You X axis is pretty much just made up. That is subjective descriptions and experiences at best. You cannot measure what is on your x axis at all. And then there is a bell curve. WHY is there a bell curve. People do not naturally behave in a gaussian distribution. Numbers can behave in a gaussian distribution. But if there is ever a bell curve in science and it describes people or animals you need to take a real hard look on why that is a bell curve. Where could have been data that someone wanted to fit into that curve and that was manipulated to fit in there. In your case I question the whole graph. I think its 100% made up, I think there is no source for this for a reason because its an unscientific piece of sh that is there to give the impression that there is data to back this or that there is a system that somehow can be proven when in fact there is nothing.
You identify as HSP and not as ASD, cool stuff. But there is no scientic criteria, there is no bell curve, there is no data on this, this is a subjective thing and not an objective provable diagnosis. I know that in psychology a lot comes down to lived experience, but I dare you to find a bell curve on people with depression.
It may have been an honest mistake or you just didn't think it mattered too much as long as it gave people a visual idea - but pseudoscience hurts people.
Thank you for your comment! That sounds like the bell curve and the fact that it's not real science really offended and hurt you.
You're right, the graph is made up and it's purpose is to model the spread of HSPs in population. I agree that the model is subjective, and it's used for demonstration purposes only, not for a scientific backup of the topic. I will add that in future videos. Thank you!
Super cool video. I have been curious about the similarities between the two. Thank you.