Adapting Scott Pilgrim: The Best Bad Comic Book Movie

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  • @michaelcarlton1484
    @michaelcarlton1484 ปีที่แล้ว +1762

    My biggest complaint against the movie is how they just made Ramona depressed the whole time. In the comics, her relationship with Scott is actually really wholesome and cute despite the obvious flaws.

    • @nrnehigie7382
      @nrnehigie7382 ปีที่แล้ว +146

      Same with Scott in a different sort of way. In the comics, he is basically if luffy was a 20 something year old Canadian, in the sense that his stupidity made him somewhat lovable, whereas in the movie he is just Michael cera being Michael cera. I hope they make this change in the anime.

    • @Drakilax
      @Drakilax ปีที่แล้ว +75

      I think a big part of Ramona's character in the movie was because the movie's script (besides the ending, which they reshot) was finished before Volume 4 of the comics even released.
      Unfortunately, their relationship mostly starts to get into the cute stuff near the end of Volume 3 (correct me if I'm wrong).
      That's also why we mostly get content from volumes 1-3, *briefly* skim through four with Roxy (even then, her fight is adapted from both Volume 3's Envy vs. Ramona and the bonus story from Free Comic Book Day 2006) and Volume 5 *technically* has a presence in the movie because the Twins are in it. The only things from Volume 6 that show up are Gideon, the Chaos Theatre, and Scott's death (which was foreshadowed all the way back in Volume 2!).

    • @boxtupos7718
      @boxtupos7718 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      ​@@nrnehigie7382Naaahh... Scott is an asshole and a through and through loser.
      Luffy is actually really positive and is pretty emotionally intelligent.
      Just look at him antagonizing Coby infront of Marines; So that Coby could join the marines and follow his dreams.
      There's also his boundless goodness. When faced with an ultimatum of get the a ship/ride to meet his friends or saving people that defended him; Without hesitation he answers for his benefactors to be saved, even lowering his head to the floor while smiling.

    • @GavinAeilts
      @GavinAeilts ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ​@@nrnehigie7382Michael Cera is very Canadian though... How you said that sentence baffles me.

    • @RukaDesu
      @RukaDesu ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@nrnehigie7382 I never read the comics, but from the video it feels like a lovable himbo, that unintentionally hurts people by his lack of self-awareness...

  • @skippycoulter
    @skippycoulter ปีที่แล้ว +2165

    Without knowing what Negascott was from the comics, there was an added lightbulb moment joke to him being really nice because Negascott read as simple evil twin, but since Scott is actually the evil twin obviously Negascott has to be a nice guy

    • @2Ten1Ryu
      @2Ten1Ryu ปีที่แล้ว +159

      Yeah. To me, the reference was obvious. I don't think the "gag" was souch a bad take.

    • @rmsgrey
      @rmsgrey ปีที่แล้ว +144

      My take is similar but different - that Scott's neither good nor evil, but somewhere in between - the same flaws that killed his past relationships also kept him as friends with his exes. So naturally, his reflection is also in-between, presumably with opposite flaws, but also a shade of grey.

    • @Dookieman1975
      @Dookieman1975 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Bro was so toxic he created an evil twin

    • @eliasmg9144
      @eliasmg9144 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      i had a similar take when I watched the movie. I haven't read the comics yet but I was surprised when I found out what negascott's purpose was in the comics

    • @SakuraAvalon
      @SakuraAvalon ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Honestly, loved that gag. I've seen the 'evil doppelganger' trope enough times. First time I've seen it go this route.

  • @coltonk.3086
    @coltonk.3086 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +149

    Fun fact: Brian Lee O'Malley has stated that every different media piece of Scott Pilgrim (Book, movie, Netflix series) is actually an alternate timeline.

    • @isc8900
      @isc8900 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Takes Off really proved that with Old Scott and Even Older Scott, which was really smart

  • @kylepearce-obrien1021
    @kylepearce-obrien1021 ปีที่แล้ว +710

    As someone who lives in Toronto, this isn't an adaptation.
    It's a documentary of how life is up here.

    • @sombraelerizo
      @sombraelerizo ปีที่แล้ว +48

      You guys have videogame-like fights?
      I'm packing my bags.

    • @gnngnemmmm
      @gnngnemmmm ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@sombraelerizoyes we do

    • @AdamG1983
      @AdamG1983 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Bass players in indie rock bands will try to punch you in the face for claiming that there's nothing fun to do.

    • @Tay12D3
      @Tay12D3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ⁠@@AdamG1983as a bassist from Toronto this is true

    • @lordblazer
      @lordblazer ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@sombraelerizo yea Toronto is wild man. like it's crazy and also there's always someone who knows everyone.

  • @jackwoodruff1941
    @jackwoodruff1941 ปีที่แล้ว +819

    I just always got the feeling that Comic Scott, while a lame nerd, was never the degree of lame nerd that Michael Cera portrayed. I think comic Scott was a little more indie and confident than Michael cera displays throughout the movie

    • @AtenSol12
      @AtenSol12 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Def

    • @melonhead8052
      @melonhead8052 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      yeah i mean michael cera is great and it works but it would make more sense that scott wasnt that nerdy

    • @leaffinite2001
      @leaffinite2001 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Cera isnt a dick, hes a slimeball. Scotts both

    • @Volvagia1927
      @Volvagia1927 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Comic Scott is FAR closer to Philip J. Fry than George Michael Bluth. Both are "lame", but obviously distinct from each other, and have different talent pools you should be thinking of in regard to remake casting? Comic Scott probably HAS an "All Rush Mixtape". Movie Scott probably doesn't.

    • @jakespacepiratee3740
      @jakespacepiratee3740 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Volvagia1927what do you mean? I’m struggling to understand the meaning of your comment beyond “comic better” it’s sounds like that but in a verbose way.

  • @edslushie570
    @edslushie570 ปีที่แล้ว +1299

    The funny thing is, I interpreted Scott’s relationship with Knives in the movie as Scott always needing someone to tell him he’s awesome because he doesn’t actually believe it.

    • @falconeshield
      @falconeshield ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Eeeeh in the comics they f*** the moment she becomes 18. And Scott, heartbroken as he was, should've done better.

    • @cajchcanka
      @cajchcanka ปีที่แล้ว +237

      ​@@falconeshield No they dont? Scott suggests it, but they never go through with it, because it feels wrong for both of them.

    • @thirdcoinedge
      @thirdcoinedge ปีที่แล้ว +284

      @@falconeshield They don't. Upon learning she's 18, Scott suggests, "Do you want to have sex? I think we should have sex. CASUAL SEX." (with an arrow previously having pointed to him as "Sketchy-ass 24 year-old"), followed by Knives turning him down, explaining that she has moved on from him and how she is "trying to learn to like me. Alone", then says, "...It's cool if we just make out for a while", and they stop immediately after they begin to do that, with the narrator saying, "BUT IT WAS HORRIBLE FOR EVERYONE (and that includes you)".

    • @BloodyMunchkin
      @BloodyMunchkin ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@thirdcoinedge You a real one for this. I would've had to type it if you hadn't done so. Cheers.

    • @thirdcoinedge
      @thirdcoinedge ปีที่แล้ว +23

      ​@@BloodyMunchkin You're welcome :) I just bought the rest of the series a few weeks ago (I've had the first two volumes since 2021). Probably my second favorite comic book series, behind The Sandman.

  • @wyrdautumn
    @wyrdautumn ปีที่แล้ว +466

    I think a really important thing about Scott's character in the comics, that I didn't really understand fully until a reread, is that he's not JUST an idiot. He's a willful idiot. He's an idiot as a defense mechanism, because he can't be held accountable for or feel guilty about the things that he does if he's too stupid to understand them. I mean he's genuinely stupid too, like he was always gonna be an idiot, but he's perpetually content to avoid learning things or paying attention to the world around him for the same reason he represses and rewrites his memories of all the shitty things he's done to his previous partners.
    It's one of the wrinkles that makes Scott Pilgrim and interesting comic to think about and I hope we get some exploration of that in the upcoming anime's take on the story.

    • @miranda8057
      @miranda8057 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      weaponised incompetence

    • @chiaapet
      @chiaapet ปีที่แล้ว +12

      yea he is super avoidant of all his behaviour and problems its rlly interesting especially knowing a lot about therapy/human behaviour because when he starts to realize his mistakes he shuts down and blocks out the world constantly which is rlly damaging to the immune system and most likely perpetuates his idiocy, lack of awareness, and memory loss, as by that point he's basically numb to life. I love seeing characters that mimic really common human behaviours because its surprisingly not often shown as in media characters always seem to be about facing their problems

    • @game84cube
      @game84cube ปีที่แล้ว +14

      You can tell, however, that a small part of him WANTS to be better. I feel like he's just waiting for someone else to guide him in the right direction since he thinks he's doing great and everyone else is like "No you aren't. Fix yourself, dumbass." It's like he's silently asking life "What do you want from me?!" Aren't we all like that in some form?

    • @james656-k8e
      @james656-k8e 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah about the anime

    • @wyrdautumn
      @wyrdautumn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@james656-k8e oh I loved the anime, it was its own completely different thing I didn't know I wanted but a story primarily focused on Ramona confronting and reconciling with her past relationships was in fact something I wanted

  • @lor8262
    @lor8262 ปีที่แล้ว +738

    Scott realising all his friends moving on and Scott eventually realising his memories are wrong and him getting a job is the thing that the movies are missing to its detriment for me. It really makes "Scott earned the power of self respect" mean alot more and not having it without that makes it feel unearned in the movie. The journey of self improvement is just absent in the movie.

    • @PaintSplashProductions
      @PaintSplashProductions ปีที่แล้ว +36

      At least we’re getting the new animated series, hopefully they’ll keep that in

    • @khiclark31
      @khiclark31 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      To be fair like it was stated in the video the movie was made while the comic (I like to think of it as manga😊) was still ongoing, just like many Mangas that get turned into anime and finish while the manga is still ongoing.

    • @Bronxtale7645
      @Bronxtale7645 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I mean that kinda happens in the movie, Scott loses his place in the band and all his friends are fine with leaving him behind to pursue their music careers

    • @submariNervous
      @submariNervous ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@khiclark31 IIRC the final volume hadn't even been started yet by the time the movie came out, which led to some interesting revisions (for instance, that page of Scott lying in a pitch-black background with an arrow pointing to him reading "DEAD"? Yeah, that only happened _because_ O'Malley saw it in the movie and liked the visual!)

    • @kyndramb7050
      @kyndramb7050 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I don't think you need to be employed to have self-respect.

  • @rmsgrey
    @rmsgrey ปีที่แล้ว +213

    The big thing I noticed last time I consumed Scott Pilgrim was the difference between Scott's exes and Ramona's exes - where Ramona's exes all need to be defeated in order to deal with them, Scott's exes are all either already chill, or are talked down - the movie even ends with Knives literally telling Scott to go with Ramona, in direct contrast to Ramona's exes insisting she can't date anyone but them.
    I feel like that says something about Scott and Ramona, but I'm not sure what...

    • @jonesblack1742
      @jonesblack1742 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      ramona's exes aren't "insisting she can't date anyone but them", they just don't want anyone to date her because of how she hurt them

    • @rmsgrey
      @rmsgrey ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@jonesblack1742 Gideon seems pretty keen on getting her back (and "not dating anyone" includes not dating anyone who isn't them).

    • @jonesblack1742
      @jonesblack1742 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rmsgrey yeah, thats true, but i think the rest of the exes had the aforementioned goal in mind but were just manipulated by gideon

    • @boxtupos7718
      @boxtupos7718 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      ​@@jonesblack1742Yea, Ramona and Scott are both fuck ups; Scott we already know how much of a loser he is, Ramona is someone that just goes whataver (And ditches whenever things spiral out of hand for her).
      Really wished the film, touched on that a bit more.

    • @1mtoxicyt708
      @1mtoxicyt708 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think its cause scott is such a fucked up loser, that people (his exes especially) are ok with getting rid of him, while ramona is constantly adored and sought after, even by the exes that she got rid of lifetimes ago.

  • @lukeh2556
    @lukeh2556 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    For me personally, why I love this movie and why it deeply resonates with me, is because I don't see movie Scott's problem as that he's simply insecure. Instead I see movie Scott as someone who is deeply narcissisticaly insecure, he's so caught up in his own head about his own insecurities that his world fails to see the feelings and thoughts of others. His Journey to self respect is what allows him to get over himself and grow up and finally start considering what's best for people other than himself.

  • @l4ndst4nder
    @l4ndst4nder ปีที่แล้ว +73

    What I liked about Cera’s performance is how he captured the “nice” guy. He plays the victim given the opportunity and with a little power he’s manipulative. At the end of the film Scott has learned to be honest about his feeling and realizes how he has hurt people. That’s why nega Scott is a joke since the the painful part of that growth already occurred.

  • @ForgottenCharacter
    @ForgottenCharacter 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I always took film’s Nega-Scott as being a cool guy as the joke-if it’s the opposite of Scott, because Scott is a self centred asshole, his opposite is just very kind and fun and wouldn’t hurt others so no fight

  • @ONEPEAKFRFR
    @ONEPEAKFRFR ปีที่แล้ว +627

    this is literally my fav live action movie

    • @sebastianuglyrat
      @sebastianuglyrat ปีที่แล้ว +19

      As opposed to figuratively your favorite live action movie?

    • @slaymakerprime
      @slaymakerprime ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Imo, the most perfect movie ever made.

    • @MarkFilipAnthony
      @MarkFilipAnthony ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I assume u mean fav live action comic book adaptation

    • @ONEPEAKFRFR
      @ONEPEAKFRFR ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@MarkFilipAnthony not really, as an adaption its good but I like to think of it as its own thing.

    • @MarkFilipAnthony
      @MarkFilipAnthony ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ONEPEAKFRFR so of all live action films that has evet been made, this is your favorite?

  • @fiddlerjack
    @fiddlerjack 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I personally like the ending of the film because Scott decides to go with Ramona not for himself but for her when the entire movie. He's been thinking about what he can get out of a relationship rather than what he can give in a relationship and that fits the film version of Scott extremely well

  • @jak199527
    @jak199527 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The main thing about the movie is that the movie does it's style so well that it only needs the most basic of okay plots to be good, and having watched the movie first, I think it did a great job. There is just enough character growth to say there is arcs, and I think that's fine.

  • @Jay-fs2nw
    @Jay-fs2nw ปีที่แล้ว +277

    Its funny this came out two days before the faithful adaptation on netflix was shown off, which looks amazing!

    • @josepablodeleon6073
      @josepablodeleon6073 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Bryan Lee O'Malley already said the series is going to be totally its own thing. The books are the books.

    • @nicorocks7
      @nicorocks7 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@josepablodeleon6073 Yes but in the same way the movie is its own thing. You can see in the trailer that they recreated various parts of the movie and comic so it's a retelling but with a few things changed around.

    • @chidaluokoro9104
      @chidaluokoro9104 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      lol

    • @tonythebologna4790
      @tonythebologna4790 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      This aged like milk

    • @s-lye
      @s-lye ปีที่แล้ว +9

      guess what

  • @lorenchandler3343
    @lorenchandler3343 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I will stand by the scene where Scott jumps out of the window behind Wallace as he closes the door as one of most well written and timed physical comedy scenes of all time. The pace of the film gives you 0 seconds to process the joke so it just gets stepped over by the next scene.

    • @StonerWeeb
      @StonerWeeb 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      that is one of my fav scenes in any movie ever, always gets a laugh out of me even after seeing it hundreds of times 😹

  • @harperthejay
    @harperthejay ปีที่แล้ว +80

    So much of this echoes how I've felt about the movie forever - i read the comics *after* I saw the movie, and I love both of them for completely different reasons. The movie is a tour de force action movie about some likeable jerks, and the comic is a deep dive into why these likeable jerks are the way they are. The comics blow the movie out of the water, but not because the movie is bad; they're just that much *better*.

  • @nopir3898
    @nopir3898 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Thank you for willing the anime's trailer into existence, we all know it would only drop after you released your video

  • @MariaVosa
    @MariaVosa ปีที่แล้ว +136

    Very good discussion. I don't care how true to the original the adaptation is, as I never read the comics. I only care if it works as a movie - and it does to me. I love it. That said, it's not perfect. I was mostly frustrated with the ending because Scott fighting Gideon is not a culmination of his arc - it should be Ramona's arc. She's the one who needs to break free of him. Scott should have fought with Nega-Scott, and it should not be about overcoming his insecurities, but him realising he uses his insecurities as a way to manipulate and not take responsibility for how he hurts people. While he sort of learned that lesson, it was not effectively managed. I tend to be a bit more critical wince Wright's Cornetto trilogy is so perfect in setting up and paying off. But it was revealing that he had to work with a story that was not finished when they started on the script. Explains a lot.

    • @rmsgrey
      @rmsgrey ปีที่แล้ว +19

      In the surface reading of the movie, Gideon is absolutely appropriate as the final boss. Scott is (fake-)dating a high school girl until he meets Ramona and wants to date her, but she reveals that to get together, he needs to defeat her seven evil exes, so he fights his way through all seven, and they end up together. He got a quest, did the quest, and got the reward.
      Of course, when you dig deeper, yeah, it's all about Ramona - her exes, her potentially dating Scott, her tendency to ghost people... Scott's just there to let Ramona deal with her past.

    • @leaffinite2001
      @leaffinite2001 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea comics the endings much better

  • @Eidlones
    @Eidlones หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't see Nega Scott in the film as just a gag. It's him accepting all of who he is, the good and the bad.
    When he's dating Knives as an escape from the part of himself he doesn't like. She endlessly praises him, ignores/doesn't see his flaws, etc. Visualized during the "DDR" scene, he's cruising through "life" with Knives, but ultimately, he will always need to confront the parts of himself he doesn't like (Nega Scott), and he will need to do it alone as it's personal growth (SOLO ROUND!!).
    Him and Nega Scott becoming friends is just a visual extension of him earning the power of self-respect. The fight with Gideon emulating the "DDR" of before flows right into him confronting Nega Scott (Nega Ninja), showing that growth that's brought up with the sword. Him and Nega Scott are buds, cause they're the same person, and Scott has earned the power of Self-Respect, instead of fighting a part of who he is.
    For me, it's just the culmination of that arc.

  • @pheonexia
    @pheonexia ปีที่แล้ว +66

    I’m so glad this video exists! So many people seem to only take in the superficial similarities between the comics and movie and that’s left me feeling rather bitter towards the movie. But hearing more background and in-depth analysis of why it turned out this way (and the narrative failings that come with it) has me honestly feeling a lot more positively about it!

  • @themilkman5004
    @themilkman5004 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Thank you for bringing me up the books not being finished. A lot of discussions about Scott Pilgrim tend to forget or ignore the comic wasn’t fully adapted.

  • @Bluargh02
    @Bluargh02 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It's just insane that they got Everyone for the Netflix show

  • @ceeb420
    @ceeb420 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I hope the anime is able to adapt those smaller moments in the comic that the movie didnt have time to cover. Especially Scott's depression arc, after Ramona leaves him. I feel like so much of his character development happens during that small time frame, and the movie totally gleams over it.
    I love the movie for what it is, but the comics just hit so much harder. Excited to see how the anime turns out.

  • @mikurusumi
    @mikurusumi ปีที่แล้ว +70

    You make so mutch quality content even while being on 45k. Keep going, your videos always brighten my day.

  • @Tuvella1
    @Tuvella1 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Totally forgot that Scott Pilgrim is like Revolutionary Girl Utena but with video games

    • @krismover
      @krismover ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that so? ive always wanted to get into rtu and i love scott pilgrim so id like to know the similarities

  • @jumptrash
    @jumptrash ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Slightly unrelated, but i think that a big part of why scott works as a protagonist is *because* hes relatable.
    Hes a sensitive person who is so afraid of confronting his past that he's willing to live life fully ignorant to all the wrong he's done and all the hurt he's caused in his life, even if unintentionally. You can see that really deep down he's not a terrible asshole, and that he's just too afraid to do anything to change his behavior after some bad events that happened in his most formative years (at least thats how i see it). I feel like everyone learns this lesson at one point or another, and often times this is a lesson learned during your teenage/early 20's. Scott learning to accept that his past doesnt have to affect his present is a lesson i think is very important and relatable to so many people (me included).
    It just sucks that you cant say that you actually like the character of scott pilgrim because all of the people who say they relate to him because theyre just media illiterate lmao

  • @andleepfarooqui7874
    @andleepfarooqui7874 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I think the thing I liked about the comic that never translated to screen was just how much the indie rock scene and Toronto felt like a character in its own right. I felt like the movie was really missing the groundedness in time and place that felt present in the comics.

  • @mailam8846
    @mailam8846 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i feel like the movie could've had a third ending: scott ends up single, but happy with himself.

  • @RaineDaze_
    @RaineDaze_ ปีที่แล้ว +197

    I can’t help but wonder if the movie had the self respect ‘message’ , it would have been better off having a “Scott ends up not picking anyone” ending because of what the film was attempting to do and it would have a different ending from the comic, In a way leading up to learning about dealing with his insecurities and not needing a relationship ect ect

    • @cashmoneykal
      @cashmoneykal ปีที่แล้ว +9

      i just dont think thats the actual message in the first place, while the comic asks scott to stop being ignorant, the movie almost does the same thing, just asking him to stop being self-aware without working to change. thats what i think anyways, just dont see what about the movie screams that the theme is self confidence

  • @quiwi-art
    @quiwi-art ปีที่แล้ว +19

    perfect video essay for scott pilgrim lovers!! i had no idea that the movie script was being written during book 2. super cool to learn that the movie and books had such an impact on each other in tandem

  • @coreycowansable
    @coreycowansable ปีที่แล้ว +28

    You're one of the best essayists out there. Everything you've made is really good and way more people should be subscribed to you.

  • @Becerraproductionhaus
    @Becerraproductionhaus ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Netflix show since it’s story is so different from any Scott Pilgrim media before!

  • @randomdude9630
    @randomdude9630 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    1:05 me when I ask my doctor what kind of diabetes i have

    • @randomdude9630
      @randomdude9630 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      also id like to metnion I like nega scott more in the movie since it makes sense since scott already learned his lesson which is why instead of fighting nega scott he befriends him since it shows he has already accepted his negativity

  • @gb731
    @gb731 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    After watching Scott Pilgrim the first time I was conflicted on it due to some of the story flaws it possesses. I had never read the comics but I could see the arcs not fully satisfying me. However, upon countless rewatches, the sheer technical aspects of the film make it my all time favorite. The level of detail in every aspect, the comedy, cinematography, editing, vfx, sound design, all of it is so meticulously crafted for maximum stylization and that dedication to style makes it so enjoyable as every time you watch it, you notice something new. That’s the mark of a filmmaking team who truly cares about their work and a movie with limitless heart and creativity.

  •  ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I have neither seen the film not read the comics, but I watched all of this. Top notch work, James, as always.

  • @Evanz111
    @Evanz111 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    21:41 - that kind of quality animation and research coming from a channel this size is easily worth a sub alone. Not to mention doing a deep dive into one of my favourite films ever. Stunning work, can’t wait to see more content from you!

  • @TVChild3
    @TVChild3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Scott Pilgrim has been my favorite movie for a while, but I see more and more of its problems the more time goes, even though it doesn’t change anything to me. I think in some ways it’s better than the comic as it’s more contained and Edgar Wright is so precise in his projects, and in other ways the comic - because it goes further and deeper - is more interesting. I can’t wait to see what you have to say.

  • @reidwithoutacause
    @reidwithoutacause ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I really love the animations in this video. Gotta Love it when a creator goes the extra mile

  • @sugaravery2823
    @sugaravery2823 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I actually like the fact that there was an intent to show that Scott DOES have insecurities. Typically, people(men) who cheat on their partners and treat everyone around them like crap tend to behave this way BECAUSE it stems from insecurities or even unresolved trauma.
    Though Scott is shown to be more cool in the comics, making him more human for a LIVE action movie was a smart and , imo cute decision. It's cute to see the types of things guys get self conscious about(needing a haircut, too confident girlfriends etc) and how it plays into their actions.

  • @wisdomplaysbtd6144
    @wisdomplaysbtd6144 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’ve never read the comic, but the movie is a serious contender for my favorite movie of all time

  • @hulaireo
    @hulaireo ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i like that both the comics and movie are different because it gives each one it’s own special value to going back to

  • @sonknowsbest7265
    @sonknowsbest7265 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    masculine urge to write and upload video essay abt how crazy it is that he likes not 1 but 2 adaptations of the same story

  • @Momma1luvu
    @Momma1luvu ปีที่แล้ว +2

    23:50 it’s kinda like how dragon ball super was being published as a manga at the same time as the anime so there were differences but still the same.

  • @blorp2555
    @blorp2555 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    with scott pilgrim takes off, I am convinced Old Scott is the Movie Scott who didn't learn his faults in relationships from NegaScott and just kept on with them with Ramona

  • @hydrophiliak
    @hydrophiliak ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Kudos on the production of this one, it's incredibly polished.

  • @TheGerkuman
    @TheGerkuman ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I was waiting for the point where the other shoe would drop and you'd bring up that the latter bits of the comic and the film were being made at the same time, and I was not disappointed.

  • @RaulRieraS
    @RaulRieraS ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I feel so represented in this story that your analysis truly felt like a therapy session

  • @FrenchyMcToast
    @FrenchyMcToast ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This sounds like how 2001 a Space Odyssey and it's novelization were made simultaneously, except in that case the book actually explained wtf was going on.

  • @fad23
    @fad23 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had interviewed Bryan Lee O'Malley the day the film was first announced. At that point Wright was still attached to Ant-Man, so we would have had to wait a lot longer for the film to start production. I loved hearing more about the writing process behind the books and the movie, being written in parallel. Thanks!

  • @failurextreme7084
    @failurextreme7084 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When referring to it missing the moon but landing among the stars, I'd argue that even though it doesn't really hit a lot of it's graphic novel inspirations in tone, what it does absolutely nail is it's video game inspirations.

  • @laynemartin7914
    @laynemartin7914 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I always felt like movie Scott should have ended with them all going their separate ways and the lesson being that if it starts with hurting people it's best to just start over. And durring the credits because they resolved things when they are pulled into supe ex battles they just meet the new partner amicably

  • @Coconut_Prrson
    @Coconut_Prrson ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the flanderisation of the characters, skipping thru huge storylines, trying to speedrun the main story, IGNORING THE IMPORTANCE AND METAPHORICAL VALUE OF SUBSPACE, and ofc the lack of the scene where Scott and NegaScott reflect on their relationship w Ramona and embrace eachother, with the beautiful messege of moving on and accepting your past,
    yeah the movie is just a boiled down fun rollercoaster that while enjoyable, misses the greatness of what made the original storytelling great

  • @celowein
    @celowein ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video! I can't overstate how important Scott Pilgrim felt to me as a dorky 19 year old when it was in its heyday, and the movie only seems to get better (and worse??) over time with each rewatch. It prioritizes lines of the comic without any context. the backstage scene where Knives' highlights get punched out is the best microcosm. it makes zero sense, it's just a funny "thing" from the comic. stuck in the adaptation, as you explained.

  • @PengWinDood
    @PengWinDood ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Always happy to watch any video talking about this masterpiece.

  • @base4yrface
    @base4yrface ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love Michael Cera

  • @kermitgotthesickkicks4265
    @kermitgotthesickkicks4265 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    REMEMBER The movie was written after the first book, there are very little similarities after VOL 2 for that reason. After that the books are slightly working off the movie so you may see a few similar scenes in the book for that reason.

  • @Dim4323
    @Dim4323 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My problem Is with 2 charecters getting the shaft, that are knives chau and the Twins.
    The twins got less screen time and knvies got royal screw

  • @RyZGuy53
    @RyZGuy53 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The script was written before book 5 released

  • @30084
    @30084 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I think this will definitely resonate with OG fans of the graphic novel if anything. I definitely do enjoy the film but I can't deny there was a lot sacrificed due to the film formatting (also some interesting casting choices)

  • @stanleywhite4404
    @stanleywhite4404 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wouldn’t be me without this movie. This is my go to feel good

  • @OneWingedRose
    @OneWingedRose ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've always felt Cera Scott only ever captured part of Comics Scott and, while I do personally enjoy Cera's performances usually, I always found it lacking in a way I didn't have the words for.
    You've summed up that side of things beautifully and touched on more things here than I'd personally thought about.
    What I'm saying is this is a great video and I'm happy to subscribe due to it! :D

  • @tametalks6102
    @tametalks6102 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Scott pilgrim and speed racer are some of the best movies evermade, and some my top 2

  • @GamingToups
    @GamingToups ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Literally rereading the comic atm since its been a few years and man its still great. That being said also LOVE the movie

  • @mrM1KEMAN5ON
    @mrM1KEMAN5ON ปีที่แล้ว +7

    As a psychologist I can tell you that someone who believes he's awesome can have massive insecurities, that's why creates a big ego

  • @lebendigesgespenst7669
    @lebendigesgespenst7669 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wouldn’t say movie Scott realizes that he’s a better person than he believed he was. He very much still started the movie believing himself to be a better person than he was, despite his insecurities, and ended the movie learning to be a better person.

  • @sophie-xr1yq
    @sophie-xr1yq ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the smirk at 14:20 like you know you ate that pun up

  • @laineydavis00
    @laineydavis00 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    TH-cam just now decided to put this video on my feed even though I'm subscribed and I immediately clicked on it. This is such an incredible video. The process of adapting a work into a new medium is so interesting (I took a whole class on it during my first year of college!) and you do such a good job discussing Scott Pilgrim's unique place in that world. All of your videos have such an obvious high level of thought and work put into them. This one is so good!! Keep up the amazing work! Love your videos :)

  • @radioban
    @radioban 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yesssss, you describe perfectly how I feel about the visual language in the film not matching the comic, despite sometimes being a direct copy of a specific panel.

  • @TFVids
    @TFVids ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is another adaptation that needs to be brought up: Scott Pilgrim Versus the World: the Video Game. It also has a messy adaptation of the plot of a somewhat strange mix of both of the movie and the comics, but it REALLY deviates at the end, with Scott defeating NegaScott, learning nothing and becoming the biggest jerk in the world.
    This all said, I still love the comics, I love the movie, I love the video game. I don't have to agree with where the story ends to enjoy the ride.

    • @DeniInDenial
      @DeniInDenial ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh and the recent Netflix anime

    • @Conrad500
      @Conrad500 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So what did you think about the anime?

    • @DeniInDenial
      @DeniInDenial ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Conrad500 I enjoyed it a lot

  • @tolstukha
    @tolstukha ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think sometimes stories just work while breaking some or even all of the writing rules. Our lives are more chaotic piles of events rather then some well designed character arcs, so a movie can also be that. Scott Pilgrim movie is one of those, where not everything has meaning and even make sense, but you just feel something while watching it and that’s satisfying

  • @geniusonyeo
    @geniusonyeo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THE EDITS ON THIS VIDEO OMG

  • @bettstp
    @bettstp ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scott Pilgrim is my favorite movie of all time, I saw it at the time without even knowing about the comic, loved it then and it grew only stronger over the years.
    Afterwards I bought the box set of comics and honestly was underwhelmed, with many of my favorite and endlessly replayable parts of the movie either just not having the same impact or in some cases not even existing at all in the comic. My daughter inversely read the comic first and then saw the movie, she loves both and agrees that the movie added some great material not in the comic but at the same time misses some other elements. Anyway still my favorite movie, no surprise I end up at this video after just watching the Matthew Patel fight scene yet again...

  • @Brodster_DK
    @Brodster_DK ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The editing in this video is great!

  • @BugsyFoga
    @BugsyFoga ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m glad that with the release of the anime, we can get an adaptation that can give more development to the characters that movie, while entertaining sort of lacked.

  • @jcplays5831
    @jcplays5831 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love this. I absolutely love this movie. The actors were all such great roles and the action campiness was top notch, but even I can understand that the comics are better and wished that there were other scenes in the movie. Here’s hoping with the anime can be both a great retelling of the comics with the great actors and amazing action of the movie

  • @johnmagoola7905
    @johnmagoola7905 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks. You actually put words to something I couldn't put my finger on. I absolutely love the comic, but I also liked the movie even though there were obvious things that didn't work well in it. I simply attributed it to the fact that the comic was simply too long to include all the things that made the comic work.
    In particular, Nega Scott. The movie should've, in my opinion, cut him out entirely. There simply wasn't room in the movie for him to have the significance that made me love him in the comic.

  • @U.Inferno
    @U.Inferno ปีที่แล้ว +7

    To me, I think what ties movie Scott's insecurities to relationships and also the contradiction that he's way cooler than he thinks is that he's the kind of nerd who thinks he's too big of a victim to be a bully. He may not be slick, but he's the plucky underdog, and there's a cool factor with that as well He puts up a front that he's cooler than he really is, but deep down sees himself as the socially awkward geek that people never give a chance and all merely gang up on that he can't see the fact that he's hurting people. He hurt Knives because he didn't have a backbone to realize dating a high schooler is fucking weird and rather than immediately ending things with her before vying for Ramona he waffled in self pity that he had to go through it.
    So by finally gaining self-respect he also accepts that he has the capacity to be a prick and he's not just some waifish nerd.

  • @lauramcastro4897
    @lauramcastro4897 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    New James video! New James video! (dances around with sparklers)

  • @red-rax
    @red-rax ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I just read the series a few days ago, and I was looking for a good video that analyzed the themes and compared them with the movie, and this is just perfect! I tried to watch a couple videos before this, but they were just awful, and this is a breath of fresh air

  • @AtenSol12
    @AtenSol12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    First 10 seconds are really great of you

    • @AtenSol12
      @AtenSol12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And the editing by 1:30, gold Lmaoo!

  • @eddyviews1427
    @eddyviews1427 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Something like Scott Pilgrim as a comic works as a comic as to the movie works as a movie that blends each other as they are made at the same time. I do found it fascinating this has happened, creating a form of art with its own message and is brought into another form with another topic that plays as is own. I like the movie and planning to read the comics over before the anime arrives and spot anything new.

  • @TomSketchit
    @TomSketchit ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh man, this was timed *very* well with how the teaser just dropped for the anime.

  • @Brilchan
    @Brilchan ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "BREAD MAKES YOU FAT ?!!" XDDD

  • @ItsDaJax
    @ItsDaJax ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish they could've made it two movies, splitting the first and second three books. It still remains to be one of my few favorite movies.

  • @tovi3280
    @tovi3280 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    39:45 im not alone right
    bryan lee o'malleyable soace and time

  • @enemycrumbles
    @enemycrumbles ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Gonna watch the whole video before I say anything about it specifically, but as someone who is really conflicted about the Scott Pilgrim movie, this is something I've thought about a lot. So I wonder why my knee-jerk reaction was to say "Of course! Scott Pilgrim is an excellent movie, I disagree with this guy." Even though several times I've thought to myself that the comics are much better and the movie is harmed by adapting certain moments Verbatim.

    • @kermitgotthesickkicks4265
      @kermitgotthesickkicks4265 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      REMEMBER The movie was written after the first book, there are very little similarities after VOL 2 for that reason. After that the books are slightly working off the movie so you may see a few similar scenes in the book for that reason

  • @Foam-projects
    @Foam-projects 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love this movie so much the only thing I feel they could’ve done different was have Scott actually fight nega scott

  • @Lovehandels
    @Lovehandels ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I never read the comic and didn't know it was a comic so the movie was awesome to me!

  • @fravia22
    @fravia22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    James- this is fucking phenomenal

  • @GomerJ
    @GomerJ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The bit about the ending is genuinely interesting to me because I haven’t watched the movie in years and if you had asked me I would’ve told you oh yeah he gets back with Knives (and to be clear it’s not like I saw a test screening) so reflecting on that I think the climax of the movie would lead you to believe that that’s the natural way for the ending to play out.

  • @dbrandeau
    @dbrandeau ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good video. I'm only half-way through, but I had to comment on something: I can ONLY make sense of someone who believes themselves to be awesome when that someone is a very insecure person. One just doesn't exist without the other. No insecurities = no need to build this fake self around yourself.

  • @NickPiers
    @NickPiers ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you very much for this essay. I was living in Toronto - where the comic and movie are based (and filmed!) - at the peak of the Scott Pilgrim craze. I saw the movie in a Toronto theater (we cheered at every reference).
    I've said for years that I love both the comic and the movie equally, but for different reasons. The movie truncates the comic's narrative, but I like how it focuses a little more on the "battle of the bands" aspect. I'm disappointed we didn't get the Honest Ed's fight, but we got the fun bass battle as a finale with Todd, instead. We lost the fun robot fight and gained a fun battle of the bands with the twins. The focus on the battle of the bands doesn't quite resolve itself in the end, but it keeps the narrative tighter as a result.
    After watching this, I agree that the movie is maybe adapts too closely with the comic without its own thing to say. I think people saying it's style over substance is reductive, but there's a grain of truth in there. I didn't know the script was being written in conjunction with the majority of the book's publishing history. I thought it mostly came together before the final book came out. But that makes this adaptation all the more interesting.
    I still love both works, but I will say you made me appreciate the comic a little more. I haven't honestly read it since the final book came out. Maybe it's time I revisit it.

  • @rwulf
    @rwulf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Someone with massive insecurities can't believe they are awesome?
    It sounds like you have not met many people who are truly arrogant, or maybe just didn't understand how their minds really worked.

  • @pickedceasar1216
    @pickedceasar1216 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After the anime comes out we need all the Scott’s and Negascotts to unite and form the Scottron Ultimate

  • @bl_nk5047
    @bl_nk5047 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like this entire video is a good example of how a binary system (with human input) just doesn’t work that well, because the second something diverts from that path whatsoever, a debate begins between whether they’re this or that. And that’s why we need to see things alike to this as a spectrum, rather than a binary, because binaries are just too strict and don’t allow for full expression of one’s selves ideas or feelings, if we actually followed that binary. The abstraction of following that path of the binary and going off course (like scott pilgrim did), shows us that we don’t have to stick to the binary to be absolutely amazing. And yes, I did just make this video into a LGBTQ+ allegory.

  • @sandstormxx
    @sandstormxx ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love this essay. I’d love to see your take on the animated series.

  • @dummyforcummy5223
    @dummyforcummy5223 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jesus this is a well made video, great work!!

  • @doovstoover9703
    @doovstoover9703 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic analysis James, thank you!