I don't think they're the weakest. If you include the lieutenants. I mean, they've got to be more powerful than they were during the Soul Society arc, right? Yamamoto's absence makes a huge difference though.
*SORRY FOR THE PARAGRAPH* I would say that you're overall assessment and analysis of the post TYBW Gotei is quite accurate though they do have some very strong members that are stronger than they were previously during different eras, the inexperience of the new captains that have been added far outweighs the strength that had been gained by those who came over from the Yamamoto version. Out of all of those promoted to Captain since the Yamamoto iteration, I believe only one really deserving of it and she still has a long way to go, that being Rukia and two maybes(I honestly don't mind her being a captain as she really increased in strength and she's in a very similar situation to toshiro was, strong but inexperienced when compared to her elders) Lisa was a lieutenant over 100 years ago and has definitely increased in strength to the point where she could have learned bankai and become effective with it, not to mention she is a Visored, which give her to have that dual type spiritual pressure level and she would have way more spiritual energy then some of the other new captains(all other Visoreds of captain rank were reinstated following the defeat of Aizen except for Love, I don't know why he wouldn't be asked to come back kind of annoyed me considering his strength and the the 7th division, which was his former squad needed a captain after the demise of Komamura). The only other person that we could even argue might belong is Iba... Though that is a hard argument because we haven't seen anything from him, which means he could have been keeping his true strength hidden during this period, we do see his zanpakuto released at some points, though it is never given a name or an ability. I believe the shadiness behind the character gives him more of a believable chance of actually being a captain level soul reaper, he did get murked by Allon but that cero out of the eye thing might have surprised even the captain(it wasn't to long after that Yamamoto stepped in, maybe he was going to return to the battle but Yamamoto had already engaged allon). Anyway rambling aside I do agree, though though I think they have probably significantly increased in power since the end of the TYBW Arc, it is yet to be seen what level they are at now and until it is seen, we must go under the assumption that it is the weakest incarnation of the gotai 13, that's not even bringing up Yamamoto, the loss of his strength is definitely something that can't be oversighted though I do believe personally that the brokenness of Shunsui's abilities makes him a decent replacement(well not possessing the same raw destructive power as Yamamoto there are not many opponents that Shunsui would be incapable of defeating due to the broken abilities of his zanpakuto).
Wait this is on a side note from my previous answer are we including the Gotei were Aizen Gin and Tousen are missing? If so that one or the one at the end of turn back the pendulum is probably the weakest technically, but this other one is still very unbalanced. I also have to state that I believe Kensei, Shinji and Rose all contribute to a portion of its strengths they are all Visoreds and have some pretty unique abilities, definitely worth to be there. I say they deserve a little bit more credit as I do believe that they would be capable of defeating both Soifon and Rukia(if they were to fight another Captain they would be showcasing their strength I believe, it seems like they were almost defeated as a plot device for renji's entry). They also have the option of just going full hollow
There is no debate. Yamamoto was so powerful both Aizen and Yhwach were scared to take him on without cheat codes. Lets say that again: two of the most broken villains in all of fiction looked at this old man and thought ''aw, hell no.''
I mean can't it be argued with his Bankai Shunsui would be a problem to both these monster villains as well? I mean do they even have Intel on all the captains bankai's and has abilities. Shunsui is similar to Yama's bankai being basically a one hit kill after its released along with Ichibei
Loosing old man Yama and Unohana definitely hurts the Gotei 13's overall power level a LOT, not to mention other strong Captains like Aizen and Gin who defected. Even the Special War Powers only included a single Captain of the Gotei directly, which says a lot.
Yo am i the only one who actually thought ichigo was going to join the gotei after the war, like intially when the manga was coming out especially when shinshui gave ichigos friends those cards to enter soul society...i actually thought that he was really joining the goteri....that would have been cool tho
@@dqacid I believe he still could once his natural life has run its course or might even have to be to get permission to go back to the real world and defend it since the limiters for captains are far greater (I believe), but I think the fact that he's still alive and spends a majority of his time with his family is the reason he's not a member atm.
@@dqacid Shinshui gave ichigos friends those cards because he might not be able to return, not because he may join the Gotei. I believe he implied that Ichigo's SP could be to high for the real world, real reason being they may need a new Soul King.....
Lets be honest, Shinji to me is the most interesting one because, Kubo tries to paint him as strong but never gives him the win to prove it. He made him Leader of the Vizored's, who go on to accomplish basically nothing despite the calibur of their members, all being upper eschelon Soul Reapers before also gaining hollow powers on top of that. He makes him seem intelligent, but not on the same level as guys like Aizen, Mayuri or Urahara. He makes him seem cunning but not to the same degree as Kyoraku. So in the end you basically end up with guy who leads a "failed" faction and who was smart enough to suspect Aizen but not smart enough to hinder him in any substantial way. In a way he suffers from what I call Chad syndrome. Where he's (like many of the Vizored's I should add) used as a measuring stick of a foes true strength. Like for a threat to be "big fight" worthy they first go through a character like Shinji, who's strong, but not the strongest, smart but not the smartest, calculating but not incalculable. To then prove they're ready to play with the big boys like Kenpachi, Urahara or Kyoraku.
Urahara and Kyoraku are in Byakuya tier. Kyoraku admitted it himself that Byakuya has the same amount of reiatsu as he himself and that Byakuya would be the next head captain in the current gotei 13 so I wouldnt consider those two as monsters beside maybe Urahara for its intelligence. But realistically, while Urahara is shown to be smarter, I would argue Mayuri is more of a threat than Urahara himself.
@@michaelshahoe Gotta admit my guy, I'm missing the point your trying to convey here. What does any of what you said have to do with Shinji?? If its just that you think I should have compared him to Byakuya instead of those guys, I mentioned the guys I did because in my eyes at least (though for sure its debatable) they are the characters in bleach who are the best at the traits mentioned, like Leadership, Intelligence, Cunning etc. that Kubo tries to portray Shinji to have. On a personal note though I think Byakuya wouldn't make anywhere near as good a head captain as Kyoraku. He's shown at multiple points in the series that he's rigid and inflexible when it comes to tradition and his way of thinking. Like his pluses are his massive Reiatsu, powerful Zanpakuto, and his families political backing. But I wouldn't say he's ever proven to be massively intelligent or anything. In the invasion arc when he's given clearly bad orders to capture and execute his adopted sister he didn't even question it meanwhile all the "smart" captains were running around in the background trying to figure out why they should follow these orders. And as the masterminds were out scheming he didn't even think to look he's just gone "order's are orders". A captain commander who cant think for himself and just blindly follows orders is kinda useless. When you think carefully about it he's not exactly a wise strategist and tactician when it comes to battle either. In nearly all of his fights his strategy is the same as Komamura's (someone who's shit on all the time for being on the weaker end of the captains). Wade into the battle and overwhelm with sheer strength and the only reason it works better than Komamura is simply that his Zanpakuto has a better and harder to counter ability. He'd be like a less powerful version of Genryusai. And lets be honest the reason the Soul Reapers got owned in the first part of the 1000 year blood war is because they got out thought and out strategized because Genryusai (like Byakuya) relied only on strength. Which as a result made both of them get absolutely smashed at the beginning of the war. It was only when Kyoraku took over and out thought his opponents that they actually started stacking up the wins.
@@ramenrider1792 it's clear my comment was directed to what you consider as monsters. It's also clear you understood from it. I didnt mention Shinji at all, so it's clear your point regarding Shinji does not interest me. Regarding your Byakuya not being wise argument, you're ignoring the whole struggle he was dealing with. So that whole point was mute since that Byakuya does not reflect the Byakuya who decided to live for himself and not on tradition and being the representation of the "perfect" Shinigami. It was Byakuya who send Renji and Rukia to help Ichigo and disobeying Yamamoto's order, a clear debunk regarding that whole wall of text you wrote. Regarding being a tactician. Byakuya is the only captain who has been dealing with hax/weird abilities because he's the "calm and collected" type of a guy. A total opposite of Sajin who easily lose his composure. For example look at Byakuya's fight with Espada 7. Most of the readers didnt even notice he figured out the full extend of the abilities before it was explained like how he used his hand to protect his face. Zommari didnt aim at his hand, Byakuya protected his face before Amor hit him since that was the target of Zommari. He also figured out kido was the weakness. He's not like Zaraki or Sajin who uses sheer force. Ignoring Urahara, I havent seen Kyouraku use anything outside Byakuya's capabilities regarding as a tactician. He agreed with Byakuya and the other 3's decision when they lost their bankai since sacrifice had to be made. He lost his composure when Yamamoto died unlike Byakuya who only lost his composure because of a hax ability. Failed to beat a Sternritter who Byakuya later on low diffed while fighting 4 other Sternritters at the same time(might be more or might be less, I forgot the exact amount). Was the leader in the fight against Gerard, Urahara even relied on him when he said he would leave up the rest to Ichigo(against Yhwach) and Kuchiki(against Gerard). You're heavily downplaying Byakuya or overhyping the two "monsters". Urahara is the benefit of the doubt, but Kyouraku is defintely not a monster tier. He's high end captain like Byakuya. Not S tier like Zaraki, Aizen, Yamamoto or Unohana.
He's basically Worf. Someone to beat up to show how strong someone else is. Shinji should be one of the top Captains. He's been around for a while, he's experienced, he's highly intelligent (but not a scientist like Urahara/Mayuri are), he's a leader of other captain class shinigami, he's skilled enough to land hits on Aizen (which at least puts him at the power level of everyone in Urahara's group). If Shunsui were to die, he's probably the next most qualified Captain Commander.
@@Strawhatj824 tbf Renji Isnt a captain because he actively states he wants to surpass Byakuya, if he didn’t have that goal he would already be a captain
Losses: - Yamamoto died - Sasakibe died - Unohana died - Nemu died - Ukitake died - Komamura lost his shinigami powers Gains: - Zaraki mastered his zanpakuto - Renji mastered his Bankai - Rukia obtained Bankai - Hitsugaya gained adult form - Byakuya became stronger in the Royal Palace Other major changes: - Kyoraku replaced Yamamoto as captain commander - Nanao replaced Sasakibe as 1st division vice captain - Isane replaced Unohana as 4th division captain, implied to have gained Bankai - Rukia replaced Ukitake as 13th division captain - Iba replaced Komamura as 7th division captain, implied to have gained Bankai - Lisa replaced Kyoraku as 8th division captain, implied to have gained Bankai
I would add a bit more too but it wouldn't change much. Gains: - Hisagi obtain his Bankai - Soifon mastered her Shunko (Mukyū Shunkō) Other major change: - Akon replaced Nemu as 12th division vice captain
Yeah. Losing Yamamoto is a huge hit to Gotei's power level, and while Kenpachi and Rukia now having Bankai and Renji having an improved Bankai are nice boons, I doubt they come close to filling the power gap left by the former Head Captain. Losing Unohana, meanwhile, is a big hit to the Gotei's power, undoubtedly, but far more so a massive hit to the organization's healing capabilities. I want to say Ukitake is a big loss as well, but his debilitating illness combined with simply not getting that good of a showing over the series makes it debatable.
@@lucashammersley6238The series implies that, such as he and Kyoraku confronting Yamamoto in the Soul Society Arc together (though I can't remember if it's ever flat-out stated anywhere), but Ukitake's series-wide showings are unfortunately quite pitiful when compared to Kyoraku's. Here's hoping the Hell Arc gives him some justice.
Biggest loss is def Yama but technically ichigo is apart of gotei (not officially since hes not dead yet). But if he were to die he would probably be a gotei 13 captain.
It’s worth noting that the Gotei 13 lost power because it lost some masters; but they were the strongest shinigami because they were the oldest, most experienced ones. The Gotei 13 has steadily improved since the start of the series and they will continue to do so. They have all the time in the world to grow in power so there is potential for someone like Zaraki to reach Yamamoto’s level. Just look at Renji’s exponential growth through the series.
I'm also quite interested that Kyoraku himself thinks Toshiro will be able to surpass him easily as time passes. People always forget he's the youngest and most immature of the captains in experience and spiritual strength and he hasn't even mastered his bankai due to it. As Hyorinmaru always had the reputation of being the strongest ice type Zanpakuto, I wonder how strong it would be once he reaches Yamamoto's age.
@@GreyIsolet Nobody forgot anything, Hitsugaya’s main schtick is he’s the youngest prodigy with the strongest elemental zanpakuto outside of Old Man Yama. Gin’s the better prodigy but his Zanpakuto was basic
I think Mayuri proved himself in every way relevant to his position, and even surpassing that. Mayuri provided the most logistical support and took the initiative to keep the fight going. Not to mention, he was the only Shinigami who defeated a Schutzstaffel member on his own without the intervention of the Auswahlen.
@@drkblu3394 Nemu is pretty much just another tool in Mayuri's arsenal, I don't see how that takes away from his feat. That's like saying Ichigo didn't defeat Aizen, Zangetsu did.
It's a perfect representation of a post war situation. All those captain posts were filled in haste so that the institutions will not be compromised. This makes it even more perfect than it actually is. This is a clear representation of how the Gotei has suffered and how from the remnant of its past glory it is trying to build itself. Reminds me of the poem where the captain of the ship dies but they win the war so the remaining members have to celebrate and rebuild at the same time they are sad for the said captain. I don't remember the poem's name unfortunately.
A Quincy invasion purging the Seireitei will do that. Especially with three of the lost Captains being First/Second generation captains in Yamamoto, Unohana, and Ukitake whose gap between them and the average captain class is worlds apart. The third squad lost what was likely their strongest captain as did the ninth division with Kaname and Gin in the Arrancar arc.
yea but in novel kensei is stronger he one shooted tokinada , I think mayuri make him stronger after zombie mode he was dead and comeback stronger or something like that
Rose, Shinji, and Kensei were simply returning their previous posts. I felt that Love should have returned to his previous position after TYBW. The fact the Visored were done so dirty is a disappointment as their hollow powers were a great answer to the Quincy.
@@coronbrown9238 The reason he mentions that is because Love was the Captain of the Seventh Division during the Turn Back The Pendulum Arc, which was run by Sajin Komamura for most of the series, and is now run by Iba. Lisa Yadomaru is Captain of the Eighth Division now. So, your answer is also kind of confusing, because they both could've theoretically become Captains of their former divisions.
@@Instinctuality i mention Lisa because I think she deserved the promotion of becoming a captain. More then Love coming back and getting his position. Iba showed a lot Maturity throughout the series. And that he was always dedicated individuals when came to ranking up. also Love squad wasn’t over taken by traitors. His squad had a very honorable and loyal Wolfman ( and by his side his loyal vice captain.) when he fell it was only right for Iba to finally step up. Not for shunsui to hit up Love and be like okay you can your position back cause someone previous is incapable now.
@@coronbrown9238 I don't think you understood what I was saying. You never mentioned Iba in your previous comment, and I was saying that Love was the captain of the Seventh Division before he was a Visored, which is what Iba leads right now. I was trying to explain that they both could have become captains of their former divisions. I do agree that it makes sense for Iba to take over, but I can also say the same about Love, since a majority of the Visoreds who were Captains or Vice-Captains took over their former positions or higher. Love would also be a more reasonable choice, since he can be assumed to be more powerful and have a mastered Bankai, unlike Iba, who we know nothing about, and states at the epilogue of the TYBW arc that he thinks of himself as only a Captain in name. All in all, Love has far more credentials for taking over the Captain position in the Seventh Division. We also saw what he could do briefly during the Arrancar Arc when he and Rose took on Coyote Starrk. Once again, I do agree that it makes sense for Iba to take over in a way, but I feel like the stuff I have mentioned cannot be ignored.
I think this is what maybe Kubo wants to address if he decides to continue the Hell arc. Basically during the war arc, the remnants of the older generations died off. Yamato, Unohana, Ukitake, and Komamura. Now you’ve got essentially the next younger generation taking over the reigns of the new gotei 13. What would be really interesting if the hell arc is pushed through, is Kubo bringing back the original 13 captains as he’s shown the concept art for them. Since the idea is that if a captain dies in battle, they’re reishi can’t return to the soul society and are sent to hell. Since the original 13 are said to be the strongest, it stands to believe they were all sent to hell so it would be a good story to have the original 13 captains take on the current captains. A challenge for them to see if they are truly worthy and ready to handle the role of being a captain of the soul society
Don't want to offend anyone but I always felt like the Vizards were just filling in the blanks for captains that were stronger than them. Seriously they were a huge let down in the final arc. Aizen, Gin and Tosen were more capable shinigami in every aspect
I dunno about tosen tho...he got nothing done himself aside from taking out a barely walking Uryu, backstabbing Kensei and cutting off Grimmjows arm...he got absolutely washed by Kenpachi and needed hollowfication to match komamura (who pretty much was only losing because he couldn´t bring himself to kill tosen)
@@ScientologyHunter2 To be fair, Tosen could've defeated Kenpachi by decapitating him, but of course, he chose to monologue and give Kenpachi time to figure out a strategy to win. It's the same problem with Shinji and Rose - they won't shut up when necessary.
Yeah the loss of multiple senior captains was brutal not just in terms of sheer power but leadership skills as well, that being said Shunsui has his secret weapon sitting down in Muken just in case.
You definitely get the feeling that it was quickly slapped together because of all the sudden vacancies. Also it’s a shame that Renji didn’t take over the Seventh Division in my opinion. He’s earned it; way more than Iba. If he were the Captain, it wouldn’t look like such a weak Gotei.
I think what stops Renji´s hierarchy growth is the same thing that makes him stronger, Renji will only be captain when Byakuya dies or if he ever gets to be head captain
I think Izuru Kira should be considered among the strongest current vice-captains. If we consider the one-shot chapter from 13 Blades cannon he got modified by Mayuri after his death, also killed a Sternritter easily
A part of me feels it is pretty intentional to reduce the Gotei 13 into the state it became by the end of the main series. They're no longer the same group of powerhouses that do most of the heavy lifting for Ichigo and the gang. But this group is no longer as complacent and so sure of themselves like they were under Yamamoto. They learned they have to actually grow and develop overtime in order to be ready for future threats. It's a massive humbling experience but there's a payoff that'll come in the future as this new group will continue to learn.
I was hoping that Hanataro would have become Lieutenant of the new Squad 4, considering that he's actually unlocked his zanpakuto and that it actually has some good healing capabilities. I know he's not that big of a character but it would've been nice to see
Hanataro has so much potential to be the most annoying glass canon in large scale fights, he just needs to learn some flash step and then locate a decent spine
@@doctoc684 he has the scalpel that absorbs damage from allies when he hits them with it, then after its fully charge lets out his own energy slash like Getsuga Tesho. We only saw it in filler where Baldy and Eyebrows have to bake cakes
considering his convoluted personality, it's no wonder he got suck with a bankai he is unable to wield, i mean his shikai alone is almost as creepy as aizen's!
I mean, losing 3 Senior Captains and ending up with at least 2 current Captains that are just regular Vice Captain level and probably lacking Bankai is pretty devastating, even if a lot of existing Captains have gotten a fair bit stronger over the years.
Considering the requirements to become captain it's highly unlikely the former vice captains haven't achieved bankai. Unless they killed the previous captain or got recommended by 6 captains and approved by 3 others. Obviously they aren't as strong to as the lost captains but it is likely they achieved bankai
Everyone forgets that all the vizards have bankais .... Why they never shown who knows but it's stated when they training ichigo that yes all of them have achieved it
It'd weird if they haven't achieved bankai. The 3rd, 5th and 9th divisions had not been assigned captains for the entirety of Arrancar/FKT arcs. They were looking for bankai users and since Renji declined and Ikkaku was hiding his bankai they weren't able to fill the seats until some of the Vidoreds returned to Soul Society. I'm pretty sure they would have stuck by the regulations and only allowed them to be proper captains once they achieved bankai.
I always dislike that Isane did never done anything importance in the series even if she is in Medical Division, she never does any special. I amnt saying that Isane needs to defeat Aizen or kill Kenpachi but maybe she heals someone near of death. Maybe she heals an entire division. Maybe she cant be tricked or can cure dangerous poison or disease. Because let's be honest, nobody can be at same level as Orihime Inoe her "healing" has no match.
well, Isane is a shinigami and Inoe might have a better healing ability but being a captain on Medical division isnt just having the ability, but also the knowledge and how you can keep the order of the division or how to control the situation. Isane been around Unohana for a long time and she knew all the stuff from the division and how to run things as usual.
Indeed, in terms of sheer firepower is a weaker gotei. But looking through a different perspective, I think its current state is a good pressure factor to push Soul Society evolution forward With figures such as Yama and Unohna around, they could afford being stiff and conservative, nowadays not so much. This final Gotei 13 concentrates less power and works out the world balance through collaboration of different races instead of coercion. Trickier to navigate, but our man Shunsui plays it with mastery
@@marionarda2790 Kenpachi would be more fire than Yamamoto and Unohana individually. Unohana lost to a kid Zaraki and Yamamoto stopped training Zaraki because of him being unable to stop Zaraki if that potential would be reached. Since that "potential" Zaraki is this Zaraki, we can conclude Zaraki >= Yamamoto >=(?) Unohana. But since Toshiro was able to freeze Gerard who was cut by bankai Zaraki and through Gerard's miracle scales with bankai Zaraki, we could argue adult Toshiro can put a decent fight against Yamamoto or Unohana. With Byakuya being able to shatter bankai Zaraki lvl Gerard, we got another one in that tier. With those three combined, I would argue them > Yamamoto and Unohana.
In terms of sheer firepower Zaraki trumps all of the previous Hotei combined, excluding Yamamoto. Between Zaraki and Yamaji himself it's debatable, but destroying a Seiretei-sized meteor is still the most impressive observed feat in all of Bleach. Byakuya is probably on Aizen level in terms of raw stats after his training arc, and his Zanpaktou is way more focused on dealing damage then the one Aizen had. Sooo, ugh, I really don't see much loss in firepower already, and I didn't even mention Abarai's insane powerup yet, he's a total beast, way stronger than Zaraki or Komamura of Soul Society arc, and those were the top dogs of raw power of that time period. Honestly, that version of Gotei is straight up weak, if we don't count in Aizen and Gin, and they weren't even really on Gotei's side.
@@cheshirskyskot byakuya is nowhere near Aizen . Yamamoto could destroy seireitei by just going bankai for too long . Kenpachi is good at breaking things but very weak to hax
i absolutely agree that this version of the gotei is the weakest so far, i also think it's a good position to start a new arc in, not only is there a lot of opportunity to raise the stakes but also lot's of potential for characters to prove themselves and new abilities to be shown
@@coatguy2990 Maybe well idk maybe actual gods? Or idk if Yhwach was actually a real god or just had the power of one. What I mean is when Aizen said something like Orihime has the potienal or has the powers that reach the realm of the gods.
@@coatguy2990 Good guys team way less strong now. Raises relative threat level. If the Gotei 13 are only 50% the total power they were before the TYBW, then an enemy with 75% the total power of those fought in the TYBW would be a bigger threat
The story didn't make us care much about Rose and Kensei but I really feel sorry for Shinji. I think he deserved more, his chikai is interesting and combined with Hollow power he should be able to do more
Kensei always had such a cool overall character design and even cooler bankai design. I wish his character was utilized better and had much better feats
I'm honestly hopeful for the the Hell arc and since I'm halfway through Can't Fear Your Own World cause Kubo can by all means really set up these unproven characters to do dope things I absolutely wanna see more from Iba, Isane and Lisa.
I definitely agree 100%. In fact I think that's the point. Like you said, this is a time of rebuilding after a major conflict and there was a power vacuum that had to be filled. Szaylapporo outright confirmed that the reason why Hell's gates were blown open was because of the sudden shift in power. Suddenly a bunch of powerful people in the soul society were either "relocated" to hell or sealed away. This new generation of the Gotei 13 is set up to face the legacy of their predecessors. Additionally, they need to prove themselves by resolving a problem that their predecessors never had to face.
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They unfortunately lost most of the old guard of captains which were strong and even someone on the mid tier side of power like Komamura. Its weird, captains like Byakuya, Toshiro and Kenpachi received major boost in power to the point outside of shunsui they clearly are not the peak of soul society in power but many of the new captains aren't just fearless but I doubt will surpass the levels most captains were st during the HM arc. Like I doubt insane or iba are top Soul Society Byakuya level who in the grand scheme of things wasn't that powerful. Their in such a weird spot right now due to how quickly they lost 4 captains with no ready replacements outside of maybe Renji who isn't leaving Byakuyas side
Yeah renji and rukia are the only lieutenants that actually compete in captain levels, iba, isane and lisa definitely are downgrades IMO since we haven’t seen anything from them
I hope kubo chose them to be captains exactly to give them proper atention, because both isane and tetsuzaemon never showed their true powers but you get the feeling that they have a lot to show, isane always was the one executing the kidou's for unohana, always ready to do what has to be done (not to mention that unohana always avoided going drectly to the fight because she was supicious of something) while tetsuzaemon always paid a close watch to what komamura was doing adn having a great sense of duty, so I do think we will see them doing good on the new arc
Hitsugaya did not "master" his Bankai and his adult form was not something new he gained. It's made clear he always knew about and always had access to it. It's that his child body cannot handle the full power of his Bankai being released all at once, so it has to give his body time to accustom itself. Hitsugaya still cannot immediately access the full power of his Bankai at release and most likely won't be able to until his body has matured enough.
I think that's something that changed with his training after he lost bankai, why would he one shot Shawlong in a hurry if he's about to get a major boost? I'm sure before the training, he would just lose access to the bankai until he rested.
@@MaxIronsThird Probably because "adult" Hitsugaya is a retcon and when Kubo released that doing it technically wouldn't contradict anything he went for it. Remember, the initial explanation of his Bankai deactiving was just Shawlong speculating and Hitsugaya never confirmed or denied it then or after.
@@kevinbell5674 I know it's a retcon, but it works as something that he acquired with his training as a temporary boost. PS: I hated the new form, i kind of hate how much time is spent on Hitsugaya post SS arc. PS2: i hated everything about the Gerard Valkyrie fight, Kenpachi didn't need a bankai, Byakuya needed to stay dead and Hitsugaya should be already out cold with his hollowfied Bankai at this point.
@@MaxIronsThird Out of all those things, the one I liked the least was that the concept of the hollowfied Bankai's was just thrown away. It would have been cool if there was some permanent consequence to getting their Bankais back. Also, we were teased with some new and unique mask designs. Both Hitsugaya and Soi Fon looked like they were forming masks made of the same material as there Bankai's, which would have been a neat asthetic change from the typical bone masks.
Either way it's something he now has at his disposal and can actually use. He's essentially become the inverse of what he used to be. Instead of being best in short fights he's now best in long fights where his petals can run out and he can pull out his mature Bankai
Seriously even on the turn back the pendulum arc, they were written as if they ald have their relationship as the vizard gang, with how close Shinji, Love, Rose and even the vice captains. Kubo could've written them better, their relationship should've been more formal before the incident. This makes them feels detached to the other gotei captains, because they act like their vizard days, when it's supposed to be the prelude. And when they came back they simply didn't feel Gotei-ish. That's because Kubo never written them like other captains
I think I would agree with your analysis of the overall strength and balance. I think that the end of series Gotei has a lot of upwards potential since there are so many unknowns. But the fact that, as written, the vizards overall ended up doing so little is a huge hit to their power. They should be pretty monstrous, but the story just didn't go that way.
I think based off his short fight with aizen shinji is reasonably strong especially compared to some of the other mid tier captains he just gets done so wrong in thousand year blood war
One thing I love about these current captains. Is that we moved onto ice being the tone of the gotei 13. Back in the day it was Fire because of General Yamato. Now it’s Rukia and 10th squad cpt being great frozen power houses
Well, does it really matter if they are? They’ve always speed-dialed Ichigo any time things got serious anyway. On another note, the new captains(including Isane) must’ve done some hardcore training during the ten year gap. Look what some other characters achieved in a few days. Imagine what they could’ve done in a decade.
Absolutely true, even if it causes some issues with the actual world building of the series, like Shunsui's statement about "surpassing me in a hundred years." And all of Captain Kuchiki's comments about how long it's supposed to take to achieve Bankai. Still, despite my personal immersion I really do hope they've been intensely training to be strong just because I really hate these dramatic power gaps between characters... My poor vizards, you deserved better.
@@johnarnold8485 Those world-building problems began when Renji achieved bankai in basically a day. Ichigo gets a pass because he’s got god genetics, making him immune to the normal rules .
@@johnarnold8485 His first Bankai was rushed and half-baked for sure, probably because he only trained so fast because he was passionate about saving Rukia. For the record, his first Bankai is still my favorite, as One dimensional and flimsy as it may be.
I've got theory that one of the conditions for the visards returning to the soul society was that under no circumstance were they to don their hollow masks ever again, which is why we never see them again even when they are straight up dying
The weakness of the prewar gotei is they acted with honor in mind and wound up being unable to handle the Quincy who fought without honor. Shunsui will do whatever it takes to win. Unleash Aizen on the enemy? No problem
Yes, their weakness is their unwillingness to kill, but I think some of them already shown that they indeed have the capability of being ruthless (I mean look at zombified Hitsugaya, don't tell me what he had done to Ikkaku and Yumichika was not an act of cruelty. He basically tortured them first before proceeded to killed them but of course Mayuri couldn't let that happened)
By far. Without a doubt. A new captain commander. Two captains that by their own admission aren't really ready for the position of captain and unless theres a retcon, 4 of the current captains obtained bankai only very recently. And effectively no captains with long term experience besides Kyoraku. Yes you got a prodigy in Hitsuguya, a very solid captain in Byakuya, and a monster in Zaraki, and even 4 vizards. But when Hitsuguya is still implied to have alot of maturing still to do. The vizards, who are supposed to have the edge, are some of the most underwelming captains overall. And one of the ones who has the most experience is Soi Fon. You're really looking at an underwelming generation. Thats not even going into all the duds and rookies that make up most of the vice-captains.
The video is all over the place. And Shunsui especially is seriously underrated here. Also not building up Shinji after the amount of hype given to him as the leader of the vizards is one of many issues with Kubo's writing.
I was actually hoping Hachigen would've taken Unohana's place. Even if he doesn't claim himself as a fighter, he was more than capable against the (former) King of Hueco Mundo (by himself) and he's a badass healer with a mastery in all types of Kido... of course nobody will be on her level...but he's definitely more than Isane.
Same here, it made no sense to take out Love. For one, he was way nicer than Kensei. Also, his teamwork with Rose was great. Iba didn’t do anything to earn that title except for scold Ikkaku smh . .
They kind of are but their head captain this time is a creative thinker. He's laid back but strict unlike Yama he'd probably accept the help of Orihime anytime of he needs her.
When trying to gauge strength, it becomes a bit difficult when some writing choices intervene with the scaling. Vizards have all just been.. under-utilized, for the most part. Or been made an example - like in the blood war. Doesn't actually tell much of anything about their power is the thing.
Ichigo's power unrealized to potential at all. He just keeps shoving Getsuga Tenshou. Theres no special effects, not utilizing his Hollow or Quincy powers at all.
Great points! Fantastic video. Yama, Unohaha, Aizen, Gin, Urahara & Yoruichi are such massive losses in terms of strength/leadership. As always I gotta stand up for my girl Soi Fon. While lacking in raw strength/reaitsu for fights against the Big Bads she is a tremendous Captain overall. Perhaps this view is partially colored by Omake & Filler & Movies but I always got the feeling that Old Man Yama put a lot of stock in Soi Fon's abilities/competence. If Yama counts on her then that's good enough for me. Always felt like Soi Fon often acts on Yama's direct orders for several of her various appearances. Also explains her "childish" outburst at the meeting right after Yama's death. I think she respected Yama more than most. After Yoruichi left all she had was her work, fully dedicated to her role & Yama took note of that dedication. She has a clown of a VC who only got the position through Nepotism/Wealth so she basically carries the division herself even with the extra responsibility of the Stealth Force. Even so she gets assigned to take on the #2 Espada on Yama's Order. For reference prodigy Toshiro & future Captain Commander Kyoraku+Ukitake are assigned to #3 & #1 respectively. Shunko & Suzumebachi is incredibly powerful when not fighting absolute top tier OP characters like Aizen. Hell even Aizen gave her speed a back handed compliment. I think she is an excellent Captain even amongst the younger Captains like Hitsugaya & Byakuya & Gin. Also her Regai's fight with Komamura is Dope AF.
Wait they were ordered to fight their given opponents? I thought it was chance, Toshiro Hitsugaya fought Harribel because Rangiku was wounded by her subordinates for example. Soi Fong fought Barragan immediately after she & Omaeda took down his last 2 Subordinates. Then Shunsui & Jushiro had Starkk & Lilynette as opponents. Still I agree with your assessment that Yammamoto had plenty of faith in her & she isn't to be dismissed so easily.
I'd say its honestly close. for post arancar and now.... like it cannot be understated the power growth the current cast went through to surpass the quincy. Like Rukia's Bankai could theoretically one shot nearly any character, and zaraki as he stands is worth more than his prior strength and unohana's combined. Even with the vizards being used as power scales for enemies throughout the series. you're basically comparing three of them to Air as arancar arc was still missing 3... and though they have lost all there fights its good to note they were once captains, so even if they couldnt top espada or sternritter, which is all theyve really gotten to try and fight other than ichigo hollowfying (which they could all hold out against pretty well [iirc most notably Lisa and Kensei]) & we do know what hollow ichigo could do too... like just ask ulquiorra It truly comes down to can the new blood and grown power make up for what was lost in Yamamoto, which I dont think they do in raw power output, but in terms of capability, id argue they might. with the combanation of Increased power and range of abilities.... Like once again absolute zero is a fucking insane power in anyones hands... The current group regains the powers they lost with aizen for decepion and sensory manipulation with shinji and Rose (even if no where on the same scale) 4&7 are the only two that I'd say feel weak. but thats cause weve never seen them fight. I will say Tetsu IIRC he was a sparing partner for ikaku so hes got a degree of strength even if hes weak comparatively to other captains.... as for vice captains the only vice captain that could hold a candle to the current line up was probably the first division captain ofthe past... which honestly Renji is likely stronger than alone.... then after all the others that could have only gotten stronger, we actually have a vice captain under kenpachi, as yachiru wasnt a person, nor was "she" impressive) adding Ikaku, another Bankai wielder is crazy good for their ranks... It feels like the only downgrades are the 1st, 12th, & 13th as they were the only vices (still not here) that ever showed a strong capability..... The 4&7's vices never really showed capacity anyway.... and like mentioned before the growth of existing characters seems to outweight the difference of them missing to any capacity the newbies could hold (they could be air imo and wed still be stronger) Will say as final lil bit. i find a lot of these conversations fall back on raw power levels, and ignore utility quite often, and to remind how useful utility can be i will bring up the fact that aizen wasnt the strongest (though still powerful) when he pieced out with the hyogyoku. He played his cards right to attain his unstopable power and come back to try and kill the captains
I think its not even debatable that Gotei 13 from turn back the pendulum is way weaker that the one we see in Soul Society arc, minly because that iteration of Gotei has probably the weakest Kenpach in the history of SS the 10th ken[pachi, guy that died from one hit from Zaraki. Also they have Vizord-to-be captains that represent what I call the standard lvl captain needs to be, whats we can tell is a minus because people like Byakuya, Toshiro, Ukitake, Kyoraku, Zaraki those are prodigies and geniuses that are born once for thousands maybe tens of thousand of years, born for greatnes
To be totally fair to Kiganjo, just about _anyone_ that Kenpachi Zaraki _seriously_ tried to kill has died in one blow. Kiganjo _did_ officially defeat his predecessor, the 9th Kenpachi, in the same way that Zaraki defeated him for his position, meaning that he was _not_ the weakest Kenpachi of all time. The 9th Kenpachi, however, probably _was_ the weakest Kenpachi to have ever held the position, considering that they had to be installed by the other Captains to fill in the spot once held by Soya Azashiro, the 8th Kenpachi. Azashiro, for context, was so _obscenely busted_ that he one-shot the 7th Kenpachi in a duel for the Captaincy, shortly after the latter _turned down an invitation to join the 0 Division_ simply because he felt that he hadn't earned the privilege! Azashiro, in fact, is still alive; he's chilling in Muken with Aizen due to reasons.
@@anthonylamonica8301 7th Kenpachi was stronger than Azashiro but got caught off guard, since Azashiro started the fight already in bankai and with his attack already prepared.
@@whitelivesmatter2 No. Its gonna happen alright. Kubo is prolly busy with the animation studio (new one and get it launched in October of this year) Before focusing on it.
As much as I agree with all that is said in the video, like missing Yama, Unohana, and the like, I strongly believe that the Visored Captains just had the bad luck of facing opponents that are somewhat out of their league, Kensei fought Wonderweiss, an arrancar designed to fight Yamamoto, him and Rose both fought Mask de Masculine which in many ways is similar to Gerard Valkyrie that is essentially immortal, Shinji fought Aizen which come on now, even the Gotei 13 captains got washed by him, and the explode girl (forgot her name) which he could've theoretically beat with bankai and because he was restricted to use it, he lacked in power severely, and also didn't he get up and helped the others after he got blasted? Or am I remembering wrong? I think it's also Kubo's fault for really using the Visoreds as like a gauge for how strong the enemies are.
I get what others are saying about Vizards being a placeholder which yes is sadly does look like that, however, I think it could also be that we just don't know them well enough or their capabilities like we do other captains.
Losing yama without a doubt crippled them. Like aizen said, yama literally represents the entire hx of the soul society and is both the foundation and the pinnacle of it. Yama, as far as power goes, would be impossible to make up for. Then you have unohana to boot
I think this version of the gotei might be stronger than all others. although in theory, previous gotei versions had much more fighting potential, often times it is never utilized until it is too late. leadership, and the ability to act or hold can turn a fighting force from trash to gold and vice versa. it is no doubt that yamamoto, yachiru, and ukitake had enormous fighting potential but they arent used. yachiru is only used for kenpachi's growth and never fights anyone else. Yamamoto really only kills the monster in the arrancar arc and is often set in his old ways so he doesnt take action immediately. Ukitake is always sick out of commision. the people who replace them, isane is still a healer and a non fighter so that role is equivalent to unohana's role since we never see unohana fight. ukitake is replaced by rukia who is always fighting so thats an addition. and kyoraku may not be as strong but he initiates so much strategy, action, leads and is unorthodox willing to break rules so that he isnt stagnant. Then of course the Captains like Kenpachi who showed he is able to beat tousen and komamura at the same time, is even more powerful now. toshiro and kuchiki are similar in that they grew exponentially more powerful. And as you said Mayuri is still an X-factor of fight potential. Rose, shinji, kensei, suifon are still captain level fighters and have high potential although portrayed poorly. Iba is just as strong or stronger than Ikakku from their spar/brawl in the soul society arc. Lisa is in theory strong. so the upper crust potential fight power is lessened without the oldest captains, but the current leadership allows them to use all the power they have immediately and isnt afraid to use everything at his disposal to succeed.
One thing I never understood was why Iba became the captain of the 7th division when love would've been a stronger and better choice as he already has experience as a captain.
Honestly I'd say that they are fine as is because the threat of Aizen and the quincies are now mostly gone, plus a lot of the captains are strong enough to carry the gotei 13 (not literally)
I feel it would've been better if Hachi were there, one of the more useful Vizard with his Kido expertise. Also with Urahara gone maybe Yoruichi and Tessai could come back to help, the latter maybe heading up the Kido corps again. Maybe even some of the Fullbringers who are now in Soul Society. I also hope Komamura can return some day, somehow, maybe even stronger. I wonder why Renji wasn't made captain given his power and the situation. The weakest of the new Captains seems to be Tetsuzaemon but maybe he's improved alot in the time skip and can actually do something.
Urahara and Yoruichi are at least assisting the current Gotei 13, despite them not being a part of it officialy. Having s Tessai return as the Kido Corps Captain would be cool to see though.
@@mandreotti8320 I thought Urahara died but I'm just getting back into Bleach with these videos and haven't caught up on all the light novel stuff yet. Good to know they are getting to help out though.
I really hope they make the vizard captains but up for of a fight in the anime. The outcomes can still remain the same but the fights they participate in wont result them getting absolutely washed
They just need to grow into their shoes. The Gotei 13 only really needs people capable of leadership and with at least enough power to take care of a few gillians at the moment.
I really wish Love would have been chosen as the “new” squad 7 captain with Iba as the vice captain because like you said he literally hasn’t done anything. I also think having Hiyori be the vice captain for squad 8 would have been a nice pairing with Lisa. The two brand new vice captains seem interesting but maybe not necessary. Just my personal opinion.
I agree with everything you said excepted bringing back Hyori. As funny as she may be she doesn’t have the temperament to be a lieutenant the same way Mashiro lacks in maturity.
I think this is true they've lost really big hitters like Yamamoto,unohana and aizen, they may have other captains who grew stronger but the 1's they lost were just that strong that they are still overrall weaker. This also makes me try imagining the hypothetical strongest possible version of the gotei 13. (Specifically the captains)Here's what I think it'd be. Yamamoto Shunsei Ukitake Unohana Kenpachi Aizen kisuke byakuya toshiro yoruichi Gin Shinji rukia (not listed in any specific order) I would've wanted to add ppl like soi fon and mayuri but mayuri would really mostly bring intelligence which theres already alot of with aizen and kisuke and yoruichi is almost like soi fon but better. Was really hard choosing whether I should add shinji or not but I did due to hollowfication and his shikai alone trips ppl up a lot
I like the idea that when Ichigo dies he becomes a soul reaper again and becomes a captain. Imagine Ichigo and Byakuya interacting after Ichigo gets that promotion. Byakuya told Ichigo that his existence was disrespect to soul society, and then Ichigo would become a legendary member of its highest rank outside the royal guard. Beautiful.
I definitely think the soul society gotei 13 were the strongest that we saw. Yamamoto, Aizen, Gin, Unohana, I can go on but you get the point. That is such an insane lineup just imagine if the Vandenreich had invaded at that point (and assuming Aizen and his bois fight for the Gotei)
It's hard to know what Aizen would do in that scenario. Assuming he fought with the Gotei 13 and actually used his full power, he could do a lot of damage but without the Hogyoku he'd probably get taken out by someone eventually. Maybe it would take Yhwach himself to do him in but Aizen would probably fall in the end. Yhwach too hax. Though I suppose Aizen might be able to something sneaky to win. Like KS Yhwach while Yhwach is fighting Yamamoto and then let Yamamoto turn him to dust.
You're talking about the characters in each formation, but not how strong they were at the time. I don't think the Soul Society Arc version of the Gotei is even close to the power levels by the end of the series. The invasion would have stopped with Ichigo dying against Ikaku if they had the power level they had by the end of the series.
Brilliant video. Yamamoto was always the backbone of Gotei, the hole that was created when he died will never be filled completely. But Shunsui is no pushover, he is open to change, smarter, and he will lead Gotei to greatness, just might take a couple of centuries before it happens.
A fun follow up video would be a hypothetical "What if" version of the Gotei 13. Consisting of characters who could have been the new captains instead, and then comparing that to this current set. For example, what if Renji was promoted or Kisuke decided to return?
If he felt like it, Isshin probably could have returned to the Gotei 13 to fill in one of the vacant Captain positions. His ineptitude with paperwork aside, he has all of the power and leadership abilities necessary for the position, which is obvious considering that he _had_ been a Captain previously. Not to mention that he fights at the level of an Advanced Captain _without_ needing to use his Bankai, which he could _easily_ regain the use of if he ever bothered to ask his daughter-in-law to un-maim him.
Seem to forget one major thing here... this Gotei 13 can call on Ichigo. I mean he was the backup plan for the Soul King. While not IMMEDIATELY seen as on the same level, he has grown closer and closer to Yamamoto's level.
It's pretty heavily implied he's stronger than Yama by the end but while I agree, this Gotei has several allies that are very powerful that would fight along side them that's not the video, this is purely the 13.
I think it’s important to remember that Yamamoto carried much of the Hotei 13 captains on his shoulders. Only he and Unohana remain from the original 13. Seemingly the strongest generation has died out which indicates a gradual decline in the strength of the Gotei 13. Granted, the machinations of Aizen didn’t help their stance but the fact that the gotei 13 seemingly got overwhelmed by four invaders goes to show just how fragile they exactly were. The lowest point was for after the deaths of three notable captains but I feel that, theoretically, the current Gotei 13 within our most recent timeline probably has managed to rebound to what it was post-tybw or at least a large portion. We have at least 3 captains who have achieved Bankai plus two additional ex-lieutenants who also achieved Bankai and become promoted. The Gotei 13 has certainly grown and it will be interesting to see by just how much should the new arc continue. Unless they sat on their butts and bumbled their way through 12 years of relative peace instead of strengthening and fortifying; I’m willing to wager our current Gotei 13 is looking pretty good right now.
Gotei 13 captains are elite soldiers who happen to be leaders. Its clear throughout the whole manga you cant ever assume the 13 captains are the 13 strongest alive at any time. Seems to always be a strong former captain or vice captain pretending to be weak sitting on the side lines. All these death reapers rarely show there full deck of cards unless they dont have a choice.
There was just a very big loss losing 3 of the strongest and oldest captains, Yamamoto, Unohana and Ukitake, it's very hard to fill up that massive power gap with captains that are already established.
I hate when people say Gin was a traitor. He was a double agent that no one knew about. He joined Aizen, because he wanted to kill him for what he did to Rangiku Matsumoto. Gin spent an unknown amount of time, biding his time getting not only stronger but figuring out how Aizens Kyōka Suigetsu functions. I am still mad that he died. I really wanted him to make a come back as a Captain again. That dude was on a whole different level, he fooled the main man Aizen himself into thinking he was his most loyal and trustworthy "Friend". I am still holding out hope that he might return in the future in some capacity. If Gin was around during the TYBW arc, I think he would have been a huge asset.
I have a feeling Lisa became a captain due to nepotism form her old captain. Hisagi and Abarai would wipe the floor with some of the current captains ,Madarame perhaps as well
Yes I mean there is no real argument as by the end of TYBW it’s lost most of its biggest hitters (Yamamoto, Unohana and Ukitake, even though Ukitake was Ill he was able to stand toe to toe with the old man and his knowledge was a powerhouse by itself). I think the strongest we ever saw the 13 was in turn back the pendulum as we had the 3 that we lost by tybw and we have both Aizen and Urahara, yes their not all showing their full powers/potential yet but that power is still there (we also have people like Gin that are in the ranks even if their not a seated officer yet)
In Isanes defense tho her division is A Medic Division. And she was trained by Unohana and even praised by her for her extremely extraordinary healing skills. True we almost never see Isane do anything but the statement still stands that she is the 3rd best Healer the Gotei13 ever had (yes i am including the zero division guy).
Honestly valid asf. Also at this point in the story she’s kinda the only option because we really dont see that many characters from the 4th division for it to even be debated.
I do. Lisa Definitely showed she was a commendable fighter and soul reaper. Also add the fact the current commander general was her former captain. So he would know the most how capable she is. Insane was under Unohana for years!!! You don’t think she showed her other stuff besides healing. Also keep in mind. Back in the Day Insane was always willing to get active. Unohana always had to stop her. I think the whole shy gimmick she has now is cool. Throws off the opponents. But unlike when Unohana was 4th Squad. Insane is definitely going to get active. And last Iba. Yea he’s the least showing. But like all vet vice captain. He’s a very loyal and dedicated soul reaper. And one I can definitely see after his captain went down. Actually stepping UP. Don’t get me wrong either. I fuck with Love way more. But even I can admit Love comes off real laid back now. Someone who probably isn’t tripping off the responsibility of the 7th squad. But is a great advisor for Iba. Just my thought. All 3 including Rukia were great promotions.
When i am honest, i really like the current Gotei 13 because of that is so throwing together like nothing before and from there it is possible to make something really Good. The struggles that comes with it can create at least 1 or 2 Arcs about it.
I’m glad Lisa is a captain I wonder if this means she has a bankai now. Also I want to say with shuhei while he has a bankai let’s not forget we haven’t seen his bankai mastered I’d love to see his bankai mastered and it could lead to new abilities or techniques.
Well he already stated in the 10 year timeskip that he mastered his bankai to Toshiro, Matsumoto, and Kensei. Kensei then says hes never seen his bankai to make fun of Hisagi.
The state of postwar Gotei 13 is understandable given the sheer amount of damage they took. The recruiting reforms Shunsui has initiated to fill in the gaps left the by the losses is a smart and practical move, particularly inviting residents of the Rukon who show potential on a wider scale than in the past where it was a limited privilege. Needles to say some were found while helping repair the damage. Gotei 13 still has fight in it and with the numerous other civil reforms they will hold against hells denizens with Ichigo and company.
Great video however I do have a question. I might have missed it since I discovered your channel a little over a year ago. But have you done or plan to do a video about the Special War Powers. I'm sure a lot of us will like to hear your take, explanation & thoughts about them. Mostly now after the TYBW & if they did live up to their hype. Maybe even more than the Royal Guard disappointment minus Ichibe of course. Again great video & keep up the amazing content. :)
Everyone talks about Yama being OP but forget the comparison to Toshiro and his bankai being very similar. Multiple characters remind us that he's still a child. Give him 100 years, as they stated and he will be a monster. Now think about 1000 years.
The hell arc is gonna be one of Kubo’s best work. Not only will we most likely get the very first generation of the gotei 13 but the most powerful and deadliest. In case anyone also forgot these former captains are going to get a massive power amp from being a resident of hell. Look at that massive Shikai Ukitake got now!!!! That’s pretty telling. Seeing an undead yamamoto and unohana will be so intense. You know kenpachi about to be licking his lips when he sees unohana again 😂😂😂😂😂 fighting a stronger version of the woman he once feared
Lisa TO ME AT LEAST, one who deserves the position as the captain. She is VERY experienced, she showed she can handle on her own against Harribel. Who I remind you, IN HER RELEASED FORM. She was actually at one point facing her alone, when Toshiro and Hiyori argued. Her Shikai gives her the same range as Ikkaku. True she did not win ANY FIGHT, but that's not what determent if she ready to be a captain. You have to look with her overall abilities as a Soul Reaper and how well she can think in a battle. So TO ME she deserves this position.
Is the current Gotei 13 the weakest, even with a select few extremely powerful captains? Let me know your thoughts!
Yep it's kinda sad to see such a weak gotei 13 at the end of the series
It's the least balanced at the very least.
I don't think they're the weakest. If you include the lieutenants. I mean, they've got to be more powerful than they were during the Soul Society arc, right? Yamamoto's absence makes a huge difference though.
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I would say that you're overall assessment and analysis of the post TYBW Gotei is quite accurate though they do have some very strong members that are stronger than they were previously during different eras, the inexperience of the new captains that have been added far outweighs the strength that had been gained by those who came over from the Yamamoto version. Out of all of those promoted to Captain since the Yamamoto iteration, I believe only one really deserving of it and she still has a long way to go, that being Rukia and two maybes(I honestly don't mind her being a captain as she really increased in strength and she's in a very similar situation to toshiro was, strong but inexperienced when compared to her elders) Lisa was a lieutenant over 100 years ago and has definitely increased in strength to the point where she could have learned bankai and become effective with it, not to mention she is a Visored, which give her to have that dual type spiritual pressure level and she would have way more spiritual energy then some of the other new captains(all other Visoreds of captain rank were reinstated following the defeat of Aizen except for Love, I don't know why he wouldn't be asked to come back kind of annoyed me considering his strength and the the 7th division, which was his former squad needed a captain after the demise of Komamura). The only other person that we could even argue might belong is Iba... Though that is a hard argument because we haven't seen anything from him, which means he could have been keeping his true strength hidden during this period, we do see his zanpakuto released at some points, though it is never given a name or an ability. I believe the shadiness behind the character gives him more of a believable chance of actually being a captain level soul reaper, he did get murked by Allon but that cero out of the eye thing might have surprised even the captain(it wasn't to long after that Yamamoto stepped in, maybe he was going to return to the battle but Yamamoto had already engaged allon). Anyway rambling aside I do agree, though though I think they have probably significantly increased in power since the end of the TYBW Arc, it is yet to be seen what level they are at now and until it is seen, we must go under the assumption that it is the weakest incarnation of the gotai 13, that's not even bringing up Yamamoto, the loss of his strength is definitely something that can't be oversighted though I do believe personally that the brokenness of Shunsui's abilities makes him a decent replacement(well not possessing the same raw destructive power as Yamamoto there are not many opponents that Shunsui would be incapable of defeating due to the broken abilities of his zanpakuto).
Wait this is on a side note from my previous answer are we including the Gotei were Aizen Gin and Tousen are missing? If so that one or the one at the end of turn back the pendulum is probably the weakest technically, but this other one is still very unbalanced. I also have to state that I believe Kensei, Shinji and Rose all contribute to a portion of its strengths they are all Visoreds and have some pretty unique abilities, definitely worth to be there. I say they deserve a little bit more credit as I do believe that they would be capable of defeating both Soifon and Rukia(if they were to fight another Captain they would be showcasing their strength I believe, it seems like they were almost defeated as a plot device for renji's entry). They also have the option of just going full hollow
There is no debate. Yamamoto was so powerful both Aizen and Yhwach were scared to take him on without cheat codes. Lets say that again: two of the most broken villains in all of fiction looked at this old man and thought ''aw, hell no.''
That’s what I always thought too. Yama was unbeatable unless his enemy cheated.
I mean can't it be argued with his Bankai Shunsui would be a problem to both these monster villains as well? I mean do they even have Intel on all the captains bankai's and has abilities. Shunsui is similar to Yama's bankai being basically a one hit kill after its released along with Ichibei
Yeah, Yamamoto did set up while the other captains were fighting Aizen though.
No Yhwatch was strong enough to handle Yamamoto’s bankai in base form that’s prof he is a strong as him in that form
@@ChillDeathgod So why did Yhwach lose to Yama in the first war? Yhwach had to retreat to re-emerge or the Quincy would have slaughtered the Reapers.
Loosing old man Yama and Unohana definitely hurts the Gotei 13's overall power level a LOT, not to mention other strong Captains like Aizen and Gin who defected. Even the Special War Powers only included a single Captain of the Gotei directly, which says a lot.
No mention of Ukitake?
@@Will-wv7sn Problem with Ukitake is all he's done is get owned and then die. They say hes real strong, but we never get to see that.
Yo am i the only one who actually thought ichigo was going to join the gotei after the war, like intially when the manga was coming out especially when shinshui gave ichigos friends those cards to enter soul society...i actually thought that he was really joining the goteri....that would have been cool tho
@@dqacid I believe he still could once his natural life has run its course or might even have to be to get permission to go back to the real world and defend it since the limiters for captains are far greater (I believe), but I think the fact that he's still alive and spends a majority of his time with his family is the reason he's not a member atm.
@@dqacid Shinshui gave ichigos friends those cards because he might not be able to return, not because he may join the Gotei. I believe he implied that Ichigo's SP could be to high for the real world, real reason being they may need a new Soul King.....
Lets be honest, Shinji to me is the most interesting one because, Kubo tries to paint him as strong but never gives him the win to prove it. He made him Leader of the Vizored's, who go on to accomplish basically nothing despite the calibur of their members, all being upper eschelon Soul Reapers before also gaining hollow powers on top of that. He makes him seem intelligent, but not on the same level as guys like Aizen, Mayuri or Urahara. He makes him seem cunning but not to the same degree as Kyoraku. So in the end you basically end up with guy who leads a "failed" faction and who was smart enough to suspect Aizen but not smart enough to hinder him in any substantial way. In a way he suffers from what I call Chad syndrome. Where he's (like many of the Vizored's I should add) used as a measuring stick of a foes true strength. Like for a threat to be "big fight" worthy they first go through a character like Shinji, who's strong, but not the strongest, smart but not the smartest, calculating but not incalculable. To then prove they're ready to play with the big boys like Kenpachi, Urahara or Kyoraku.
Yeah that’s a good observation
Urahara and Kyoraku are in Byakuya tier. Kyoraku admitted it himself that Byakuya has the same amount of reiatsu as he himself and that Byakuya would be the next head captain in the current gotei 13 so I wouldnt consider those two as monsters beside maybe Urahara for its intelligence. But realistically, while Urahara is shown to be smarter, I would argue Mayuri is more of a threat than Urahara himself.
@@michaelshahoe Gotta admit my guy, I'm missing the point your trying to convey here. What does any of what you said have to do with Shinji?? If its just that you think I should have compared him to Byakuya instead of those guys, I mentioned the guys I did because in my eyes at least (though for sure its debatable) they are the characters in bleach who are the best at the traits mentioned, like Leadership, Intelligence, Cunning etc. that Kubo tries to portray Shinji to have.
On a personal note though I think Byakuya wouldn't make anywhere near as good a head captain as Kyoraku. He's shown at multiple points in the series that he's rigid and inflexible when it comes to tradition and his way of thinking. Like his pluses are his massive Reiatsu, powerful Zanpakuto, and his families political backing. But I wouldn't say he's ever proven to be massively intelligent or anything. In the invasion arc when he's given clearly bad orders to capture and execute his adopted sister he didn't even question it meanwhile all the "smart" captains were running around in the background trying to figure out why they should follow these orders. And as the masterminds were out scheming he didn't even think to look he's just gone "order's are orders". A captain commander who cant think for himself and just blindly follows orders is kinda useless. When you think carefully about it he's not exactly a wise strategist and tactician when it comes to battle either. In nearly all of his fights his strategy is the same as Komamura's (someone who's shit on all the time for being on the weaker end of the captains). Wade into the battle and overwhelm with sheer strength and the only reason it works better than Komamura is simply that his Zanpakuto has a better and harder to counter ability. He'd be like a less powerful version of Genryusai. And lets be honest the reason the Soul Reapers got owned in the first part of the 1000 year blood war is because they got out thought and out strategized because Genryusai (like Byakuya) relied only on strength. Which as a result made both of them get absolutely smashed at the beginning of the war. It was only when Kyoraku took over and out thought his opponents that they actually started stacking up the wins.
@@ramenrider1792 it's clear my comment was directed to what you consider as monsters. It's also clear you understood from it. I didnt mention Shinji at all, so it's clear your point regarding Shinji does not interest me.
Regarding your Byakuya not being wise argument, you're ignoring the whole struggle he was dealing with. So that whole point was mute since that Byakuya does not reflect the Byakuya who decided to live for himself and not on tradition and being the representation of the "perfect" Shinigami. It was Byakuya who send Renji and Rukia to help Ichigo and disobeying Yamamoto's order, a clear debunk regarding that whole wall of text you wrote.
Regarding being a tactician. Byakuya is the only captain who has been dealing with hax/weird abilities because he's the "calm and collected" type of a guy. A total opposite of Sajin who easily lose his composure.
For example look at Byakuya's fight with Espada 7. Most of the readers didnt even notice he figured out the full extend of the abilities before it was explained like how he used his hand to protect his face. Zommari didnt aim at his hand, Byakuya protected his face before Amor hit him since that was the target of Zommari. He also figured out kido was the weakness. He's not like Zaraki or Sajin who uses sheer force. Ignoring Urahara, I havent seen Kyouraku use anything outside Byakuya's capabilities regarding as a tactician. He agreed with Byakuya and the other 3's decision when they lost their bankai since sacrifice had to be made. He lost his composure when Yamamoto died unlike Byakuya who only lost his composure because of a hax ability. Failed to beat a Sternritter who Byakuya later on low diffed while fighting 4 other Sternritters at the same time(might be more or might be less, I forgot the exact amount).
Was the leader in the fight against Gerard, Urahara even relied on him when he said he would leave up the rest to Ichigo(against Yhwach) and Kuchiki(against Gerard).
You're heavily downplaying Byakuya or overhyping the two "monsters". Urahara is the benefit of the doubt, but Kyouraku is defintely not a monster tier. He's high end captain like Byakuya. Not S tier like Zaraki, Aizen, Yamamoto or Unohana.
He's basically Worf. Someone to beat up to show how strong someone else is. Shinji should be one of the top Captains. He's been around for a while, he's experienced, he's highly intelligent (but not a scientist like Urahara/Mayuri are), he's a leader of other captain class shinigami, he's skilled enough to land hits on Aizen (which at least puts him at the power level of everyone in Urahara's group). If Shunsui were to die, he's probably the next most qualified Captain Commander.
It’s impossible to not think the captains are weak after Kubo made a concerted effort to embarrass them in the tybw
also the fact the renji is arguable stronger than half the captains which is crazy
@@Strawhatj824 tbf Renji Isnt a captain because he actively states he wants to surpass Byakuya, if he didn’t have that goal he would already be a captain
The B - Squad Quincy members took out the Gotei 13. Even the Zero Squad was garbage.
Not all of them tho
not to mention its kinda explained why that's the case at the first chapter of Hell arc
Losses:
- Yamamoto died
- Sasakibe died
- Unohana died
- Nemu died
- Ukitake died
- Komamura lost his shinigami powers
Gains:
- Zaraki mastered his zanpakuto
- Renji mastered his Bankai
- Rukia obtained Bankai
- Hitsugaya gained adult form
- Byakuya became stronger in the Royal Palace
Other major changes:
- Kyoraku replaced Yamamoto as captain commander
- Nanao replaced Sasakibe as 1st division vice captain
- Isane replaced Unohana as 4th division captain, implied to have gained Bankai
- Rukia replaced Ukitake as 13th division captain
- Iba replaced Komamura as 7th division captain, implied to have gained Bankai
- Lisa replaced Kyoraku as 8th division captain, implied to have gained Bankai
I would add a bit more too but it wouldn't change much.
Gains:
- Hisagi obtain his Bankai
- Soifon mastered her Shunko (Mukyū Shunkō)
Other major change:
- Akon replaced Nemu as 12th division vice captain
I'd add in that Mayuri leveled up hard as well
bigger lose 💀💀
@@BlackChapters mayuri is always leveled up otherwise he will never show up to the battle
the soul society is still bunch of losers and failure and half assed weaklings.
Yeah.
Losing Yamamoto is a huge hit to Gotei's power level, and while Kenpachi and Rukia now having Bankai and Renji having an improved Bankai are nice boons, I doubt they come close to filling the power gap left by the former Head Captain.
Losing Unohana, meanwhile, is a big hit to the Gotei's power, undoubtedly, but far more so a massive hit to the organization's healing capabilities.
I want to say Ukitake is a big loss as well, but his debilitating illness combined with simply not getting that good of a showing over the series makes it debatable.
The thing with Ukitake was that, I agree, his disease weakened him hard, but wasnt he apparently at the power level of Kyoraku?
@@lucashammersley6238The series implies that, such as he and Kyoraku confronting Yamamoto in the Soul Society Arc together (though I can't remember if it's ever flat-out stated anywhere), but Ukitake's series-wide showings are unfortunately quite pitiful when compared to Kyoraku's.
Here's hoping the Hell Arc gives him some justice.
@@scavengerace Wait he got revived or something?
Losing unohana was barely a nerf. Kenpachi getting his full power back completely filled and placed a mountain on that hole.
Biggest loss is def Yama but technically ichigo is apart of gotei (not officially since hes not dead yet). But if he were to die he would probably be a gotei 13 captain.
It’s worth noting that the Gotei 13 lost power because it lost some masters; but they were the strongest shinigami because they were the oldest, most experienced ones. The Gotei 13 has steadily improved since the start of the series and they will continue to do so. They have all the time in the world to grow in power so there is potential for someone like Zaraki to reach Yamamoto’s level. Just look at Renji’s exponential growth through the series.
I'm also quite interested that Kyoraku himself thinks Toshiro will be able to surpass him easily as time passes. People always forget he's the youngest and most immature of the captains in experience and spiritual strength and he hasn't even mastered his bankai due to it. As Hyorinmaru always had the reputation of being the strongest ice type Zanpakuto, I wonder how strong it would be once he reaches Yamamoto's age.
@@GreyIsolet he'll def be the next comander after kyoraku
Kenpachi eclipsed Yama soon as his shikai destroyed the fabric of reality.
@@GreyIsolet "people always forget" uh it's basically his thing.
@@GreyIsolet Nobody forgot anything, Hitsugaya’s main schtick is he’s the youngest prodigy with the strongest elemental zanpakuto outside of Old Man Yama. Gin’s the better prodigy but his Zanpakuto was basic
I think Mayuri proved himself in every way relevant to his position, and even surpassing that. Mayuri provided the most logistical support and took the initiative to keep the fight going. Not to mention, he was the only Shinigami who defeated a Schutzstaffel member on his own without the intervention of the Auswahlen.
the weakest Schutzstaffel that is, even he admitted it
Nemu's brain would like a word
disagree, Nemu pretty much saved his ass.
@@drkblu3394 Nemu is pretty much just another tool in Mayuri's arsenal, I don't see how that takes away from his feat. That's like saying Ichigo didn't defeat Aizen, Zangetsu did.
@@skeltaldelegate5408 awesome reply dude.
It's a perfect representation of a post war situation. All those captain posts were filled in haste so that the institutions will not be compromised. This makes it even more perfect than it actually is. This is a clear representation of how the Gotei has suffered and how from the remnant of its past glory it is trying to build itself.
Reminds me of the poem where the captain of the ship dies but they win the war so the remaining members have to celebrate and rebuild at the same time they are sad for the said captain. I don't remember the poem's name unfortunately.
Oh, captain my captain
Walt Whitman
A Quincy invasion purging the Seireitei will do that. Especially with three of the lost Captains being First/Second generation captains in Yamamoto, Unohana, and Ukitake whose gap between them and the average captain class is worlds apart. The third squad lost what was likely their strongest captain as did the ninth division with Kaname and Gin in the Arrancar arc.
I was just about to say this! You lose Yamamoto and Retsu and your gotei 13 has already gone to shit! At least they still have Zaraki and Shunsui..
yea but in novel kensei is stronger he one shooted tokinada , I think mayuri make him stronger after zombie mode he was dead and comeback stronger or something like that
Kaname is super weak
@@residentevil2928 yeah tosen is featless I'd say he's barely above vicecaptain level and definitely below Nemu or EoS Kira.
@@chavaspada that's exactly where I'd put him. He couldn't beat one of the weakest captains in his hollow form
Rose, Shinji, and Kensei were simply returning their previous posts. I felt that Love should have returned to his previous position after TYBW. The fact the Visored were done so dirty is a disappointment as their hollow powers were a great answer to the Quincy.
Even tho i Love Love. I feel Lisa get the promotion was very cool. And her taking over her former captain squad was poetic.
Fr he should be a Captain again instead of Iba
@@coronbrown9238
The reason he mentions that is because Love was the Captain of the Seventh Division during the Turn Back The Pendulum Arc, which was run by Sajin Komamura for most of the series, and is now run by Iba. Lisa Yadomaru is Captain of the Eighth Division now. So, your answer is also kind of confusing, because they both could've theoretically become Captains of their former divisions.
@@Instinctuality i mention Lisa because I think she deserved the promotion of becoming a captain. More then Love coming back and getting his position. Iba showed a lot Maturity throughout the series. And that he was always dedicated individuals when came to ranking up. also Love squad wasn’t over taken by traitors. His squad had a very honorable and loyal Wolfman ( and by his side his loyal vice captain.) when he fell it was only right for Iba to finally step up. Not for shunsui to hit up Love and be like okay you can your position back cause someone previous is incapable now.
@@coronbrown9238 I don't think you understood what I was saying. You never mentioned Iba in your previous comment, and I was saying that Love was the captain of the Seventh Division before he was a Visored, which is what Iba leads right now. I was trying to explain that they both could have become captains of their former divisions. I do agree that it makes sense for Iba to take over, but I can also say the same about Love, since a majority of the Visoreds who were Captains or Vice-Captains took over their former positions or higher. Love would also be a more reasonable choice, since he can be assumed to be more powerful and have a mastered Bankai, unlike Iba, who we know nothing about, and states at the epilogue of the TYBW arc that he thinks of himself as only a Captain in name. All in all, Love has far more credentials for taking over the Captain position in the Seventh Division. We also saw what he could do briefly during the Arrancar Arc when he and Rose took on Coyote Starrk. Once again, I do agree that it makes sense for Iba to take over in a way, but I feel like the stuff I have mentioned cannot be ignored.
I think this is what maybe Kubo wants to address if he decides to continue the Hell arc. Basically during the war arc, the remnants of the older generations died off. Yamato, Unohana, Ukitake, and Komamura. Now you’ve got essentially the next younger generation taking over the reigns of the new gotei 13. What would be really interesting if the hell arc is pushed through, is Kubo bringing back the original 13 captains as he’s shown the concept art for them. Since the idea is that if a captain dies in battle, they’re reishi can’t return to the soul society and are sent to hell. Since the original 13 are said to be the strongest, it stands to believe they were all sent to hell so it would be a good story to have the original 13 captains take on the current captains. A challenge for them to see if they are truly worthy and ready to handle the role of being a captain of the soul society
Don't want to offend anyone but I always felt like the Vizards were just filling in the blanks for captains that were stronger than them. Seriously they were a huge let down in the final arc. Aizen, Gin and Tosen were more capable shinigami in every aspect
Other than Shinji, the Vizards are a joke.
@@zico739 Hey now, Rose had a great bankai. He just wouldn't shut up when he needed to, the dumbass.
I dunno about tosen tho...he got nothing done himself aside from taking out a barely walking Uryu, backstabbing Kensei and cutting off Grimmjows arm...he got absolutely washed by Kenpachi and needed hollowfication to match komamura (who pretty much was only losing because he couldn´t bring himself to kill tosen)
@@zico739 Shinji maybe the most friendly one but he can easily be outmatched by a opponent with strong hax or a higher spiritual pressure
@@ScientologyHunter2 To be fair, Tosen could've defeated Kenpachi by decapitating him, but of course, he chose to monologue and give Kenpachi time to figure out a strategy to win.
It's the same problem with Shinji and Rose - they won't shut up when necessary.
Yeah the loss of multiple senior captains was brutal not just in terms of sheer power but leadership skills as well, that being said Shunsui has his secret weapon sitting down in Muken just in case.
You definitely get the feeling that it was quickly slapped together because of all the sudden vacancies. Also it’s a shame that Renji didn’t take over the Seventh Division in my opinion. He’s earned it; way more than Iba. If he were the Captain, it wouldn’t look like such a weak Gotei.
well thats war...stuff just pops up on you...
And I think Kira and Hisagi are stronger than their Visored Characters
I think what stops Renji´s hierarchy growth is the same thing that makes him stronger, Renji will only be captain when Byakuya dies or if he ever gets to be head captain
@@Negol-ele If I remember correctly another way for him to become captain would be for him to surpass byakuya as he (renji) always strived to do.
@@Negol-ele Renji would only be captain if Byakuya dies just like Chojiro would
I think Izuru Kira should be considered among the strongest current vice-captains. If we consider the one-shot chapter from 13 Blades cannon he got modified by Mayuri after his death, also killed a Sternritter easily
what sternritter?
@@drewferguson4787It's Shaz Domino. The story is called "Beginning of the revive of Tomorrow"
That is honestly the stupidest one shot. The dude is dead.
@@residentevil2928 Who are you referring to? Kira or Lille?
@@MandatoryFruit kira
A part of me feels it is pretty intentional to reduce the Gotei 13 into the state it became by the end of the main series. They're no longer the same group of powerhouses that do most of the heavy lifting for Ichigo and the gang. But this group is no longer as complacent and so sure of themselves like they were under Yamamoto. They learned they have to actually grow and develop overtime in order to be ready for future threats. It's a massive humbling experience but there's a payoff that'll come in the future as this new group will continue to learn.
The loss of Yamamoto alone makes it the weakest gotei
Kenpachi with bankai is at least relative to yamamoto.
Kenpachi exist
royd clapped kenpachi. He is nowhere near yamamotos level. This is the weakest gotei.
@@SP-mp6jz That is one of the weakest Kenpachi' form. And Royd could solo Gotei 13 without Yama
@@nightraid7644 yeah not really
I was hoping that Hanataro would have become Lieutenant of the new Squad 4, considering that he's actually unlocked his zanpakuto and that it actually has some good healing capabilities. I know he's not that big of a character but it would've been nice to see
Hanataro has so much potential to be the most annoying glass canon in large scale fights, he just needs to learn some flash step and then locate a decent spine
Wait, he does?
What's his Shikai?
@@doctoc684 he has the scalpel that absorbs damage from allies when he hits them with it, then after its fully charge lets out his own energy slash like Getsuga Tesho. We only saw it in filler where Baldy and Eyebrows have to bake cakes
@@doctoc684 Hisagomaru
Case of nepotism.
Give my boy Shinji justice. Great strong character but unfortunately forgotten in TYBW. Lets hope hell chapter is going to fix this
Give him juice
considering his convoluted personality, it's no wonder he got suck with a bankai he is unable to wield, i mean his shikai alone is almost as creepy as aizen's!
I mean, losing 3 Senior Captains and ending up with at least 2 current Captains that are just regular Vice Captain level and probably lacking Bankai is pretty devastating, even if a lot of existing Captains have gotten a fair bit stronger over the years.
Considering the requirements to become captain it's highly unlikely the former vice captains haven't achieved bankai. Unless they killed the previous captain or got recommended by 6 captains and approved by 3 others. Obviously they aren't as strong to as the lost captains but it is likely they achieved bankai
Everyone forgets that all the vizards have bankais ....
Why they never shown who knows but it's stated when they training ichigo that yes all of them have achieved it
Nevermind just got ahead on the video and realize what you guys meant
Zero chance the new captains are missing Bankai.
It'd weird if they haven't achieved bankai. The 3rd, 5th and 9th divisions had not been assigned captains for the entirety of Arrancar/FKT arcs. They were looking for bankai users and since Renji declined and Ikkaku was hiding his bankai they weren't able to fill the seats until some of the Vidoreds returned to Soul Society. I'm pretty sure they would have stuck by the regulations and only allowed them to be proper captains once they achieved bankai.
Shinji's biggest feat was almost seeing through Aizen's plan when basically no one else suspected him
I always dislike that Isane did never done anything importance in the series even if she is in Medical Division, she never does any special. I amnt saying that Isane needs to defeat Aizen or kill Kenpachi but maybe she heals someone near of death. Maybe she heals an entire division. Maybe she cant be tricked or can cure dangerous poison or disease.
Because let's be honest, nobody can be at same level as Orihime Inoe her "healing" has no match.
I think she is heavily skilled at kido based moves tho if i remember correctly
well, Isane is a shinigami and Inoe might have a better healing ability but being a captain on Medical division isnt just having the ability, but also the knowledge and how you can keep the order of the division or how to control the situation. Isane been around Unohana for a long time and she knew all the stuff from the division and how to run things as usual.
@@z.incognito6259 kido is shown to be mostly useless unless someone of Aizen or Urahara's caliber uses it.
Iba didn't do anything and somehow he became a captain. At least isane was trained by Unohana so at least she has that going for her
Well that's because it isn't healing it's time or space manipulation
Indeed, in terms of sheer firepower is a weaker gotei. But looking through a different perspective, I think its current state is a good pressure factor to push Soul Society evolution forward
With figures such as Yama and Unohna around, they could afford being stiff and conservative, nowadays not so much.
This final Gotei 13 concentrates less power and works out the world balance through collaboration of different races instead of coercion. Trickier to navigate, but our man Shunsui plays it with mastery
You forget Kenpachi Byakuya and Toshiro exist.
Their firepower is leagues beyond anything that came before
@@jocoolshow not more fire than Yamamoto
@@marionarda2790 Kenpachi would be more fire than Yamamoto and Unohana individually. Unohana lost to a kid Zaraki and Yamamoto stopped training Zaraki because of him being unable to stop Zaraki if that potential would be reached. Since that "potential" Zaraki is this Zaraki, we can conclude Zaraki >= Yamamoto >=(?) Unohana.
But since Toshiro was able to freeze Gerard who was cut by bankai Zaraki and through Gerard's miracle scales with bankai Zaraki, we could argue adult Toshiro can put a decent fight against Yamamoto or Unohana.
With Byakuya being able to shatter bankai Zaraki lvl Gerard, we got another one in that tier. With those three combined, I would argue them > Yamamoto and Unohana.
In terms of sheer firepower Zaraki trumps all of the previous Hotei combined, excluding Yamamoto. Between Zaraki and Yamaji himself it's debatable, but destroying a Seiretei-sized meteor is still the most impressive observed feat in all of Bleach. Byakuya is probably on Aizen level in terms of raw stats after his training arc, and his Zanpaktou is way more focused on dealing damage then the one Aizen had. Sooo, ugh, I really don't see much loss in firepower already, and I didn't even mention Abarai's insane powerup yet, he's a total beast, way stronger than Zaraki or Komamura of Soul Society arc, and those were the top dogs of raw power of that time period. Honestly, that version of Gotei is straight up weak, if we don't count in Aizen and Gin, and they weren't even really on Gotei's side.
@@cheshirskyskot byakuya is nowhere near Aizen . Yamamoto could destroy seireitei by just going bankai for too long . Kenpachi is good at breaking things but very weak to hax
i absolutely agree that this version of the gotei is the weakest so far, i also think it's a good position to start a new arc in, not only is there a lot of opportunity to raise the stakes but also lot's of potential for characters to prove themselves and new abilities to be shown
Raise the stakes how? They went up against god basically. How do you raise the stakes from there?
@@coatguy2990 True
@@coatguy2990 Maybe well idk maybe actual gods? Or idk if Yhwach was actually a real god or just had the power of one. What I mean is when Aizen said something like Orihime has the potienal or has the powers that reach the realm of the gods.
@@coatguy2990 Good guys team way less strong now. Raises relative threat level. If the Gotei 13 are only 50% the total power they were before the TYBW, then an enemy with 75% the total power of those fought in the TYBW would be a bigger threat
@@coatguy2990 they are in hell, if they faced God they'll face the Devil now
The story didn't make us care much about Rose and Kensei but I really feel sorry for Shinji. I think he deserved more, his chikai is interesting and combined with Hollow power he should be able to do more
Kensei always had such a cool overall character design and even cooler bankai design. I wish his character was utilized better and had much better feats
I'm honestly hopeful for the the Hell arc and since I'm halfway through Can't Fear Your Own World cause Kubo can by all means really set up these unproven characters to do dope things I absolutely wanna see more from Iba, Isane and Lisa.
I feel like some unproven might die
Same here
I definitely agree 100%. In fact I think that's the point. Like you said, this is a time of rebuilding after a major conflict and there was a power vacuum that had to be filled. Szaylapporo outright confirmed that the reason why Hell's gates were blown open was because of the sudden shift in power. Suddenly a bunch of powerful people in the soul society were either "relocated" to hell or sealed away.
This new generation of the Gotei 13 is set up to face the legacy of their predecessors. Additionally, they need to prove themselves by resolving a problem that their predecessors never had to face.
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They unfortunately lost most of the old guard of captains which were strong and even someone on the mid tier side of power like Komamura. Its weird, captains like Byakuya, Toshiro and Kenpachi received major boost in power to the point outside of shunsui they clearly are not the peak of soul society in power but many of the new captains aren't just fearless but I doubt will surpass the levels most captains were st during the HM arc. Like I doubt insane or iba are top Soul Society Byakuya level who in the grand scheme of things wasn't that powerful.
Their in such a weird spot right now due to how quickly they lost 4 captains with no ready replacements outside of maybe Renji who isn't leaving Byakuyas side
Yeah renji and rukia are the only lieutenants that actually compete in captain levels, iba, isane and lisa definitely are downgrades IMO since we haven’t seen anything from them
@@youngmerc7717 I’m pretty Sure Isane was praised for her healing just like Unohana. So I think they’ll be fine
I hope kubo chose them to be captains exactly to give them proper atention, because both isane and tetsuzaemon never showed their true powers but you get the feeling that they have a lot to show, isane always was the one executing the kidou's for unohana, always ready to do what has to be done (not to mention that unohana always avoided going drectly to the fight because she was supicious of something) while tetsuzaemon always paid a close watch to what komamura was doing adn having a great sense of duty, so I do think we will see them doing good on the new arc
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Hitsugaya did not "master" his Bankai and his adult form was not something new he gained. It's made clear he always knew about and always had access to it. It's that his child body cannot handle the full power of his Bankai being released all at once, so it has to give his body time to accustom itself. Hitsugaya still cannot immediately access the full power of his Bankai at release and most likely won't be able to until his body has matured enough.
I think that's something that changed with his training after he lost bankai, why would he one shot Shawlong in a hurry if he's about to get a major boost?
I'm sure before the training, he would just lose access to the bankai until he rested.
@@MaxIronsThird Probably because "adult" Hitsugaya is a retcon and when Kubo released that doing it technically wouldn't contradict anything he went for it. Remember, the initial explanation of his Bankai deactiving was just Shawlong speculating and Hitsugaya never confirmed or denied it then or after.
@@kevinbell5674 I know it's a retcon, but it works as something that he acquired with his training as a temporary boost.
PS: I hated the new form, i kind of hate how much time is spent on Hitsugaya post SS arc.
PS2: i hated everything about the Gerard Valkyrie fight, Kenpachi didn't need a bankai, Byakuya needed to stay dead and Hitsugaya should be already out cold with his hollowfied Bankai at this point.
@@MaxIronsThird Out of all those things, the one I liked the least was that the concept of the hollowfied Bankai's was just thrown away. It would have been cool if there was some permanent consequence to getting their Bankais back. Also, we were teased with some new and unique mask designs. Both Hitsugaya and Soi Fon looked like they were forming masks made of the same material as there Bankai's, which would have been a neat asthetic change from the typical bone masks.
Either way it's something he now has at his disposal and can actually use. He's essentially become the inverse of what he used to be. Instead of being best in short fights he's now best in long fights where his petals can run out and he can pull out his mature Bankai
The vizards always felt like backup captains that don't have the power or charisma of the previous ones...
Seriously even on the turn back the pendulum arc, they were written as if they ald have their relationship as the vizard gang, with how close Shinji, Love, Rose and even the vice captains. Kubo could've written them better, their relationship should've been more formal before the incident. This makes them feels detached to the other gotei captains, because they act like their vizard days, when it's supposed to be the prelude. And when they came back they simply didn't feel Gotei-ish. That's because Kubo never written them like other captains
Yeah lisa was the only one to have some bond to the gotei through shunsui
Not having the charisma is Just wrong
I think I would agree with your analysis of the overall strength and balance. I think that the end of series Gotei has a lot of upwards potential since there are so many unknowns. But the fact that, as written, the vizards overall ended up doing so little is a huge hit to their power. They should be pretty monstrous, but the story just didn't go that way.
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I think based off his short fight with aizen shinji is reasonably strong especially compared to some of the other mid tier captains he just gets done so wrong in thousand year blood war
Yeah, also Love(not on Gotei) and Rose duke it up with Stark without their bankai.
One thing I love about these current captains. Is that we moved onto ice being the tone of the gotei 13. Back in the day it was Fire because of General Yamato. Now it’s Rukia and 10th squad cpt being great frozen power houses
Well, does it really matter if they are? They’ve always speed-dialed Ichigo any time things got serious anyway.
On another note, the new captains(including Isane) must’ve done some hardcore training during the ten year gap. Look what some other characters achieved in a few days. Imagine what they could’ve done in a decade.
Absolutely true, even if it causes some issues with the actual world building of the series, like Shunsui's statement about "surpassing me in a hundred years." And all of Captain Kuchiki's comments about how long it's supposed to take to achieve Bankai.
Still, despite my personal immersion I really do hope they've been intensely training to be strong just because I really hate these dramatic power gaps between characters... My poor vizards, you deserved better.
@@johnarnold8485 Those world-building problems began when Renji achieved bankai in basically a day. Ichigo gets a pass because he’s got god genetics, making him immune to the normal rules .
@@CaptainKotetsu Let me pretend Renji had been working at it for a while before.... and to be fair, Blood War showed us he did bung it up.
@@johnarnold8485 His first Bankai was rushed and half-baked for sure, probably because he only trained so fast because he was passionate about saving Rukia.
For the record, his first Bankai is still my favorite, as One dimensional and flimsy as it may be.
@@CaptainKotetsu Don't care about speed and functionality, bamboo Dragon with Lazer breath = awesome.
I've got theory that one of the conditions for the visards returning to the soul society was that under no circumstance were they to don their hollow masks ever again, which is why we never see them again even when they are straight up dying
1- Mashiro does, 2- I also had that feeling, but once Yama died, i was 100% sure they would start using it again and Kyouraku would be fine with it.
You may be right but considering the circumstances, exceptions can be made
The weakness of the prewar gotei is they acted with honor in mind and wound up being unable to handle the Quincy who fought without honor. Shunsui will do whatever it takes to win. Unleash Aizen on the enemy? No problem
Still more honorable than quincy ever was.
I think it was explained well TYBW 7, Yama just accepted peace and was use to it versus just obliterating people.
Yes, their weakness is their unwillingness to kill, but I think some of them already shown that they indeed have the capability of being ruthless (I mean look at zombified Hitsugaya, don't tell me what he had done to Ikkaku and Yumichika was not an act of cruelty. He basically tortured them first before proceeded to killed them but of course Mayuri couldn't let that happened)
By far. Without a doubt. A new captain commander. Two captains that by their own admission aren't really ready for the position of captain and unless theres a retcon, 4 of the current captains obtained bankai only very recently. And effectively no captains with long term experience besides Kyoraku. Yes you got a prodigy in Hitsuguya, a very solid captain in Byakuya, and a monster in Zaraki, and even 4 vizards. But when Hitsuguya is still implied to have alot of maturing still to do. The vizards, who are supposed to have the edge, are some of the most underwelming captains overall. And one of the ones who has the most experience is Soi Fon. You're really looking at an underwelming generation. Thats not even going into all the duds and rookies that make up most of the vice-captains.
The video is all over the place. And Shunsui especially is seriously underrated here. Also not building up Shinji after the amount of hype given to him as the leader of the vizards is one of many issues with Kubo's writing.
I would have preferred Love to take Iba's place and Seinosuke in Isane's place.
I think they're holding Seinosuke for something else.
I was actually hoping Hachigen would've taken Unohana's place. Even if he doesn't claim himself as a fighter, he was more than capable against the (former) King of Hueco Mundo (by himself) and he's a badass healer with a mastery in all types of Kido... of course nobody will be on her level...but he's definitely more than Isane.
@@abiolafraser1057 That's actually more than fair. I suppose I was just more intrigued by Seinosuke, but Hachigen is the more impressive choice.
@@abiolafraser1057 That makes sense, Kubo probably forgot about Hachi.
Same here, it made no sense to take out Love. For one, he was way nicer than Kensei. Also, his teamwork with Rose was great. Iba didn’t do anything to earn that title except for scold Ikkaku smh
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This honestly did upset me a good bit because the visords with hollow mask had soooo much potential especially after the few years they were captains
They kind of are but their head captain this time is a creative thinker. He's laid back but strict unlike Yama he'd probably accept the help of Orihime anytime of he needs her.
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When trying to gauge strength, it becomes a bit difficult when some writing choices intervene with the scaling.
Vizards have all just been.. under-utilized, for the most part. Or been made an example - like in the blood war. Doesn't actually tell much of anything about their power is the thing.
Regardless, Ichigo kinda makes up any gap that would exist.
Ichigo's power unrealized to potential at all. He just keeps shoving Getsuga Tenshou. Theres no special effects, not utilizing his Hollow or Quincy powers at all.
I feel like Gotei 13 should have had a tournament or some kind of test to check to see who should be on captains
Great points! Fantastic video.
Yama, Unohaha, Aizen, Gin, Urahara & Yoruichi are such massive losses in terms of strength/leadership.
As always I gotta stand up for my girl Soi Fon. While lacking in raw strength/reaitsu for fights against the Big Bads she is a tremendous Captain overall. Perhaps this view is partially colored by Omake & Filler & Movies but I always got the feeling that Old Man Yama put a lot of stock in Soi Fon's abilities/competence. If Yama counts on her then that's good enough for me. Always felt like Soi Fon often acts on Yama's direct orders for several of her various appearances. Also explains her "childish" outburst at the meeting right after Yama's death. I think she respected Yama more than most. After Yoruichi left all she had was her work, fully dedicated to her role & Yama took note of that dedication. She has a clown of a VC who only got the position through Nepotism/Wealth so she basically carries the division herself even with the extra responsibility of the Stealth Force. Even so she gets assigned to take on the #2 Espada on Yama's Order. For reference prodigy Toshiro & future Captain Commander Kyoraku+Ukitake are assigned to #3 & #1 respectively. Shunko & Suzumebachi is incredibly powerful when not fighting absolute top tier OP characters like Aizen. Hell even Aizen gave her speed a back handed compliment. I think she is an excellent Captain even amongst the younger Captains like Hitsugaya & Byakuya & Gin. Also her Regai's fight with Komamura is Dope AF.
Wait they were ordered to fight their given opponents? I thought it was chance, Toshiro Hitsugaya fought Harribel because Rangiku was wounded by her subordinates for example. Soi Fong fought Barragan immediately after she & Omaeda took down his last 2 Subordinates. Then Shunsui & Jushiro had Starkk & Lilynette as opponents. Still I agree with your assessment that Yammamoto had plenty of faith in her & she isn't to be dismissed so easily.
I'd say its honestly close. for post arancar and now....
like it cannot be understated the power growth the current cast went through to surpass the quincy. Like Rukia's Bankai could theoretically one shot nearly any character, and zaraki as he stands is worth more than his prior strength and unohana's combined. Even with the vizards being used as power scales for enemies throughout the series. you're basically comparing three of them to Air as arancar arc was still missing 3... and though they have lost all there fights its good to note they were once captains, so even if they couldnt top espada or sternritter, which is all theyve really gotten to try and fight other than ichigo hollowfying (which they could all hold out against pretty well [iirc most notably Lisa and Kensei]) & we do know what hollow ichigo could do too... like just ask ulquiorra
It truly comes down to can the new blood and grown power make up for what was lost in Yamamoto, which I dont think they do in raw power output, but in terms of capability, id argue they might. with the combanation of Increased power and range of abilities.... Like once again absolute zero is a fucking insane power in anyones hands... The current group regains the powers they lost with aizen for decepion and sensory manipulation with shinji and Rose (even if no where on the same scale)
4&7 are the only two that I'd say feel weak. but thats cause weve never seen them fight. I will say Tetsu IIRC he was a sparing partner for ikaku so hes got a degree of strength even if hes weak comparatively to other captains....
as for vice captains the only vice captain that could hold a candle to the current line up was probably the first division captain ofthe past... which honestly Renji is likely stronger than alone.... then after all the others that could have only gotten stronger, we actually have a vice captain under kenpachi, as yachiru wasnt a person, nor was "she" impressive) adding Ikaku, another Bankai wielder is crazy good for their ranks... It feels like the only downgrades are the 1st, 12th, & 13th as they were the only vices (still not here) that ever showed a strong capability..... The 4&7's vices never really showed capacity anyway.... and like mentioned before the growth of existing characters seems to outweight the difference of them missing to any capacity the newbies could hold (they could be air imo and wed still be stronger)
Will say as final lil bit. i find a lot of these conversations fall back on raw power levels, and ignore utility quite often, and to remind how useful utility can be i will bring up the fact that aizen wasnt the strongest (though still powerful) when he pieced out with the hyogyoku. He played his cards right to attain his unstopable power and come back to try and kill the captains
I think its not even debatable that Gotei 13 from turn back the pendulum is way weaker that the one we see in Soul Society arc, minly because that iteration of Gotei has probably the weakest Kenpach in the history of SS the 10th ken[pachi, guy that died from one hit from Zaraki.
Also they have Vizord-to-be captains that represent what I call the standard lvl captain needs to be, whats we can tell is a minus because people like Byakuya, Toshiro, Ukitake, Kyoraku, Zaraki those are prodigies and geniuses that are born once for thousands maybe tens of thousand of years, born for greatnes
To be totally fair to Kiganjo, just about _anyone_ that Kenpachi Zaraki _seriously_ tried to kill has died in one blow. Kiganjo _did_ officially defeat his predecessor, the 9th Kenpachi, in the same way that Zaraki defeated him for his position, meaning that he was _not_ the weakest Kenpachi of all time.
The 9th Kenpachi, however, probably _was_ the weakest Kenpachi to have ever held the position, considering that they had to be installed by the other Captains to fill in the spot once held by Soya Azashiro, the 8th Kenpachi. Azashiro, for context, was so _obscenely busted_ that he one-shot the 7th Kenpachi in a duel for the Captaincy, shortly after the latter _turned down an invitation to join the 0 Division_ simply because he felt that he hadn't earned the privilege! Azashiro, in fact, is still alive; he's chilling in Muken with Aizen due to reasons.
@@anthonylamonica8301 7th Kenpachi was stronger than Azashiro but got caught off guard, since Azashiro started the fight already in bankai and with his attack already prepared.
I believe that Kubo will show off everyone's abilities in the Hell Arc
I hope so
@@zhcultivator ichigo true bankai abilities that was lost due yhwach spamming i broke ur bankai bs
is it going to be a hell arc? wasnt that a oneshot?
@@whitelivesmatter2 No. Its gonna happen alright. Kubo is prolly busy with the animation studio (new one and get it launched in October of this year) Before focusing on it.
As much as I agree with all that is said in the video, like missing Yama, Unohana, and the like, I strongly believe that the Visored Captains just had the bad luck of facing opponents that are somewhat out of their league, Kensei fought Wonderweiss, an arrancar designed to fight Yamamoto, him and Rose both fought Mask de Masculine which in many ways is similar to Gerard Valkyrie that is essentially immortal, Shinji fought Aizen which come on now, even the Gotei 13 captains got washed by him, and the explode girl (forgot her name) which he could've theoretically beat with bankai and because he was restricted to use it, he lacked in power severely, and also didn't he get up and helped the others after he got blasted? Or am I remembering wrong? I think it's also Kubo's fault for really using the Visoreds as like a gauge for how strong the enemies are.
extremely thorough analysis ! very detailed with rational arguments. Great video !
I get what others are saying about Vizards being a placeholder which yes is sadly does look like that, however, I think it could also be that we just don't know them well enough or their capabilities like we do other captains.
As a follow up, you should build the most powerful version of the Gotei, could be say 1000 YBW Yama, End of Series Aizen, Etc.
Losing yama without a doubt crippled them. Like aizen said, yama literally represents the entire hx of the soul society and is both the foundation and the pinnacle of it. Yama, as far as power goes, would be impossible to make up for. Then you have unohana to boot
I think this version of the gotei might be stronger than all others. although in theory, previous gotei versions had much more fighting potential, often times it is never utilized until it is too late. leadership, and the ability to act or hold can turn a fighting force from trash to gold and vice versa. it is no doubt that yamamoto, yachiru, and ukitake had enormous fighting potential but they arent used. yachiru is only used for kenpachi's growth and never fights anyone else. Yamamoto really only kills the monster in the arrancar arc and is often set in his old ways so he doesnt take action immediately. Ukitake is always sick out of commision. the people who replace them, isane is still a healer and a non fighter so that role is equivalent to unohana's role since we never see unohana fight. ukitake is replaced by rukia who is always fighting so thats an addition. and kyoraku may not be as strong but he initiates so much strategy, action, leads and is unorthodox willing to break rules so that he isnt stagnant.
Then of course the Captains like Kenpachi who showed he is able to beat tousen and komamura at the same time, is even more powerful now. toshiro and kuchiki are similar in that they grew exponentially more powerful. And as you said Mayuri is still an X-factor of fight potential.
Rose, shinji, kensei, suifon are still captain level fighters and have high potential although portrayed poorly.
Iba is just as strong or stronger than Ikakku from their spar/brawl in the soul society arc.
Lisa is in theory strong. so the upper crust potential fight power is lessened without the oldest captains, but the current leadership allows them to use all the power they have immediately and isnt afraid to use everything at his disposal to succeed.
One thing I never understood was why Iba became the captain of the 7th division when love would've been a stronger and better choice as he already has experience as a captain.
Honestly I'd say that they are fine as is because the threat of Aizen and the quincies are now mostly gone, plus a lot of the captains are strong enough to carry the gotei 13 (not literally)
I feel it would've been better if Hachi were there, one of the more useful Vizard with his Kido expertise. Also with Urahara gone maybe Yoruichi and Tessai could come back to help, the latter maybe heading up the Kido corps again. Maybe even some of the Fullbringers who are now in Soul Society. I also hope Komamura can return some day, somehow, maybe even stronger. I wonder why Renji wasn't made captain given his power and the situation.
The weakest of the new Captains seems to be Tetsuzaemon but maybe he's improved alot in the time skip and can actually do something.
Urahara and Yoruichi are at least assisting the current Gotei 13, despite them not being a part of it officialy. Having s Tessai return as the Kido Corps Captain would be cool to see though.
@@mandreotti8320 I thought Urahara died but I'm just getting back into Bleach with these videos and haven't caught up on all the light novel stuff yet. Good to know they are getting to help out though.
@@Monkeyfuzz Ah, yes he’s still alive. He plays a big part in the CFYOW light novels and is mentioned in the Hell chapter.
I really hope they make the vizard captains but up for of a fight in the anime.
The outcomes can still remain the same but the fights they participate in wont result them getting absolutely washed
I mean. I feel like Yamamoto carried the gotei any iteration that doesn’t have him is gonna be the weakest by default I think.
Dood this guy never disapoints awesome video once again mrtommo
They just need to grow into their shoes. The Gotei 13 only really needs people capable of leadership and with at least enough power to take care of a few gillians at the moment.
It's just a shame it took a filler arc for us to get a legitimately good showing of how strong non humanized komamura could actually be.
Tybw isn't a filler arc
I really wish Love would have been chosen as the “new” squad 7 captain with Iba as the vice captain because like you said he literally hasn’t done anything. I also think having Hiyori be the vice captain for squad 8 would have been a nice pairing with Lisa. The two brand new vice captains seem interesting but maybe not necessary. Just my personal opinion.
I agree with everything you said excepted bringing back Hyori. As funny as she may be she doesn’t have the temperament to be a lieutenant the same way Mashiro lacks in maturity.
@@BangNoShock but the new vice captain seems like she could be another Hiyori if we’re being honest
I think this is true they've lost really big hitters like Yamamoto,unohana and aizen, they may have other captains who grew stronger but the 1's they lost were just that strong that they are still overrall weaker.
This also makes me try imagining the hypothetical strongest possible version of the gotei 13. (Specifically the captains)Here's what I think it'd be.
Yamamoto
Shunsei
Ukitake
Unohana
Kenpachi
Aizen
kisuke
byakuya
toshiro
yoruichi
Gin
Shinji
rukia (not listed in any specific order)
I would've wanted to add ppl like soi fon and mayuri but mayuri would really mostly bring intelligence which theres already alot of with aizen and kisuke and yoruichi is almost like soi fon but better. Was really hard choosing whether I should add shinji or not but I did due to hollowfication and his shikai alone trips ppl up a lot
I like the idea that when Ichigo dies he becomes a soul reaper again and becomes a captain. Imagine Ichigo and Byakuya interacting after Ichigo gets that promotion. Byakuya told Ichigo that his existence was disrespect to soul society, and then Ichigo would become a legendary member of its highest rank outside the royal guard. Beautiful.
That OG manga gotei 13 with Aizen is goated
I definitely think the soul society gotei 13 were the strongest that we saw. Yamamoto, Aizen, Gin, Unohana, I can go on but you get the point. That is such an insane lineup just imagine if the Vandenreich had invaded at that point (and assuming Aizen and his bois fight for the Gotei)
It's hard to know what Aizen would do in that scenario. Assuming he fought with the Gotei 13 and actually used his full power, he could do a lot of damage but without the Hogyoku he'd probably get taken out by someone eventually. Maybe it would take Yhwach himself to do him in but Aizen would probably fall in the end. Yhwach too hax. Though I suppose Aizen might be able to something sneaky to win. Like KS Yhwach while Yhwach is fighting Yamamoto and then let Yamamoto turn him to dust.
You're talking about the characters in each formation, but not how strong they were at the time. I don't think the Soul Society Arc version of the Gotei is even close to the power levels by the end of the series.
The invasion would have stopped with Ichigo dying against Ikaku if they had the power level they had by the end of the series.
Hopefully if the bleach hell arcs continues we can see what the new Gotei 13 can do
Brilliant video. Yamamoto was always the backbone of Gotei, the hole that was created when he died will never be filled completely. But Shunsui is no pushover, he is open to change, smarter, and he will lead Gotei to greatness, just might take a couple of centuries before it happens.
A fun follow up video would be a hypothetical "What if" version of the Gotei 13. Consisting of characters who could have been the new captains instead, and then comparing that to this current set. For example, what if Renji was promoted or Kisuke decided to return?
If he felt like it, Isshin probably could have returned to the Gotei 13 to fill in one of the vacant Captain positions. His ineptitude with paperwork aside, he has all of the power and leadership abilities necessary for the position, which is obvious considering that he _had_ been a Captain previously. Not to mention that he fights at the level of an Advanced Captain _without_ needing to use his Bankai, which he could _easily_ regain the use of if he ever bothered to ask his daughter-in-law to un-maim him.
Seem to forget one major thing here... this Gotei 13 can call on Ichigo. I mean he was the backup plan for the Soul King. While not IMMEDIATELY seen as on the same level, he has grown closer and closer to Yamamoto's level.
It's implied that he is already stronger than yama
It's pretty heavily implied he's stronger than Yama by the end but while I agree, this Gotei has several allies that are very powerful that would fight along side them that's not the video, this is purely the 13.
I think it’s important to remember that Yamamoto carried much of the Hotei 13 captains on his shoulders. Only he and Unohana remain from the original 13. Seemingly the strongest generation has died out which indicates a gradual decline in the strength of the Gotei 13. Granted, the machinations of Aizen didn’t help their stance but the fact that the gotei 13 seemingly got overwhelmed by four invaders goes to show just how fragile they exactly were. The lowest point was for after the deaths of three notable captains but I feel that, theoretically, the current Gotei 13 within our most recent timeline probably has managed to rebound to what it was post-tybw or at least a large portion. We have at least 3 captains who have achieved Bankai plus two additional ex-lieutenants who also achieved Bankai and become promoted.
The Gotei 13 has certainly grown and it will be interesting to see by just how much should the new arc continue. Unless they sat on their butts and bumbled their way through 12 years of relative peace instead of strengthening and fortifying; I’m willing to wager our current Gotei 13 is looking pretty good right now.
Gotei 13 captains are elite soldiers who happen to be leaders. Its clear throughout the whole manga you cant ever assume the 13 captains are the 13 strongest alive at any time. Seems to always be a strong former captain or vice captain pretending to be weak sitting on the side lines. All these death reapers rarely show there full deck of cards unless they dont have a choice.
There was just a very big loss losing 3 of the strongest and oldest captains, Yamamoto, Unohana and Ukitake, it's very hard to fill up that massive power gap with captains that are already established.
I hate when people say Gin was a traitor. He was a double agent that no one knew about.
He joined Aizen, because he wanted to kill him for what he did to Rangiku Matsumoto.
Gin spent an unknown amount of time, biding his time getting not only stronger but figuring out how Aizens Kyōka Suigetsu functions.
I am still mad that he died. I really wanted him to make a come back as a Captain again.
That dude was on a whole different level, he fooled the main man Aizen himself into thinking he was his most loyal and trustworthy "Friend".
I am still holding out hope that he might return in the future in some capacity.
If Gin was around during the TYBW arc, I think he would have been a huge asset.
Yeh
The first invasion would be too much hard for Quincies then
Gin is a traitor who later become a traitor 🤣
Also, yeah. It would be very epic if he make a comeback in TYBW. So sad that he died😥
Things have definitely changed... can you please make a video about Lisa Yadomaru? thank you!
I have a feeling Lisa became a captain due to nepotism form her old captain. Hisagi and Abarai would wipe the floor with some of the current captains ,Madarame perhaps as well
I mean Lisa is +100 eyes older than Both and a Vizard
@@CelVini Ichigo is like an infant compared to other captains yet he can wipe the floor with most of the captains here.
@@lancelindlelee7256 comparing ichigo to anybody is just unfair. he's literally built different
@@CelVini there is always Love , also age doesn't really matter in Bleach
@@nobody5093 point is, age doesn't matter. If you want a less drastic example. Look at Toshiro vs Momo
Yes I mean there is no real argument as by the end of TYBW it’s lost most of its biggest hitters (Yamamoto, Unohana and Ukitake, even though Ukitake was Ill he was able to stand toe to toe with the old man and his knowledge was a powerhouse by itself).
I think the strongest we ever saw the 13 was in turn back the pendulum as we had the 3 that we lost by tybw and we have both Aizen and Urahara, yes their not all showing their full powers/potential yet but that power is still there (we also have people like Gin that are in the ranks even if their not a seated officer yet)
In Isanes defense tho her division is A Medic Division. And she was trained by Unohana and even praised by her for her extremely extraordinary healing skills. True we almost never see Isane do anything but the statement still stands that she is the 3rd best Healer the Gotei13 ever had (yes i am including the zero division guy).
Honestly valid asf. Also at this point in the story she’s kinda the only option because we really dont see that many characters from the 4th division for it to even be debated.
But, the ones that filled in the missing seats were once captains and they are also vizards
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I definitely feel that Lisa, Iba and Isane are not Captain material.
I do. Lisa Definitely showed she was a commendable fighter and soul reaper. Also add the fact the current commander general was her former captain. So he would know the most how capable she is. Insane was under Unohana for years!!! You don’t think she showed her other stuff besides healing. Also keep in mind. Back in the Day Insane was always willing to get active. Unohana always had to stop her. I think the whole shy gimmick she has now is cool. Throws off the opponents. But unlike when Unohana was 4th Squad. Insane is definitely going to get active. And last Iba. Yea he’s the least showing. But like all vet vice captain. He’s a very loyal and dedicated soul reaper. And one I can definitely see after his captain went down. Actually stepping UP. Don’t get me wrong either. I fuck with Love way more. But even I can admit Love comes off real laid back now. Someone who probably isn’t tripping off the responsibility of the 7th squad. But is a great advisor for Iba. Just my thought. All 3 including Rukia were great promotions.
When i am honest, i really like the current Gotei 13 because of that is so throwing together like nothing before and from there it is possible to make something really Good. The struggles that comes with it can create at least 1 or 2 Arcs about it.
I’m glad Lisa is a captain I wonder if this means she has a bankai now.
Also I want to say with shuhei while he has a bankai let’s not forget we haven’t seen his bankai mastered I’d love to see his bankai mastered and it could lead to new abilities or techniques.
it does
Lisa being a Captain makes no sense but okay.
@@zico739 she hot tho...so?
Well he already stated in the 10 year timeskip that he mastered his bankai to Toshiro, Matsumoto, and Kensei. Kensei then says hes never seen his bankai to make fun of Hisagi.
@@willblack8575 she’s mid
The state of postwar Gotei 13 is understandable given the sheer amount of damage they took. The recruiting reforms Shunsui has initiated to fill in the gaps left the by the losses is a smart and practical move, particularly inviting residents of the Rukon who show potential on a wider scale than in the past where it was a limited privilege. Needles to say some were found while helping repair the damage. Gotei 13 still has fight in it and with the numerous other civil reforms they will hold against hells denizens with Ichigo and company.
Great video however I do have a question. I might have missed it since I discovered your channel a little over a year ago. But have you done or plan to do a video about the Special War Powers. I'm sure a lot of us will like to hear your take, explanation & thoughts about them. Mostly now after the TYBW & if they did live up to their hype. Maybe even more than the Royal Guard disappointment minus Ichibe of course. Again great video & keep up the amazing content. :)
Everyone talks about Yama being OP but forget the comparison to Toshiro and his bankai being very similar. Multiple characters remind us that he's still a child. Give him 100 years, as they stated and he will be a monster. Now think about 1000 years.
The hell arc is gonna be one of Kubo’s best work. Not only will we most likely get the very first generation of the gotei 13 but the most powerful and deadliest. In case anyone also forgot these former captains are going to get a massive power amp from being a resident of hell. Look at that massive Shikai Ukitake got now!!!! That’s pretty telling. Seeing an undead yamamoto and unohana will be so intense. You know kenpachi about to be licking his lips when he sees unohana again 😂😂😂😂😂 fighting a stronger version of the woman he once feared
Lisa TO ME AT LEAST, one who deserves the position as the captain. She is VERY experienced, she showed she can handle on her own against Harribel. Who I remind you, IN HER RELEASED FORM. She was actually at one point facing her alone, when Toshiro and Hiyori argued. Her Shikai gives her the same range as Ikkaku. True she did not win ANY FIGHT, but that's not what determent if she ready to be a captain. You have to look with her overall abilities as a Soul Reaper and how well she can think in a battle. So TO ME she deserves this position.
Thank you!!!!! I was very proud of her promotion and felt Shusui personally sought her out after having commander general for a while. Go Lisa!!
0:26 Unohana has absolutely no to right to look that adorable and humble.
You can bascially add ichigo as honorary member of gotei 13, that boosts them up a lot.