ONLY ONE CHANCE TO DO THIS INSULATION CORRECT!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ม.ค. 2024
- I have found this to be the best way to insulate a heated concrete floor. We have poured concrete on other type of insulation and it did not work well and there is no fixing it after the pour is done.
I started my career as a trim carpenter, now I’m doing everything but plumbing and electrical, I love your videos Bondo! Such a priceless resource! Also super convenient that we have the same frost line here in NH
Insulation cost is hard for a lot of people to choke down when they are faced with the virtual mountain of prices when building a home but as it turns out in the end it's one of the easiest bills to swallow.
Nice job and your pal is an ace for sticking to his guns and doing it all right.
The quality, and the effort you put into your work, is the best on TH-cam!
Harry thank you for the comment. That means a lot. 😀
Never underestimate the effectiveness from heated floors and spending a bit more money on insulating.
Thanks Guys! We get cold here in Minnesota to! I'm not sure but i think all you shown here would work! Great content all your videos! Thank You!
I used the staples in foam board and worked great. Placed about 18” apart. Really appreciate your videos as it helped me to calculate my runs.
Very valuable detailed information. Thank you!!
Your welcome. Glad to help.
Great video thank you
Looks great! I've done 4 floors (3- 40psi EPS and 1 - 25psi EXP) with the staples. They are worked great. It did work better in the dense EPS.
I had a garage done about 6 years ago, no insulation or heat under the pad, just vapor barrier and some foam board vertical down one foot around the perimeter, no wire, just fiber, and still no cracks. Saw cut.
Thanks Bondo, I really enjoy your videos. How deep did you make the relief cuts in this floor?
Nice. Gave me some ideas.
Nice job. The way to go
Looks good 👍
Really nice bonder, really nice. You guys do awful nice work and you're videos. Great thank you very much
when Big Biscuit is shirtless I am surprised there are not car loads of 20yo girls and single moms driving by and screaming for him and trying to get selfies with him.....and of course hugs
You are goofy
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YaI have to agree. LOL
Love the channel. BTW, 1/2 “ PEX should not exceed 300 ft. Would like to hear your thoughts about using Logix Heat Sheet or other products that have nodules for stepping in PEX.
Nice work brother.👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Never saw spray foam used like that. Makes absolute sense. New York state looking pretty green according to this video. lol.
Thanks and yes this is a green way to do it. 😀
Ever have any problems with leaks / breaks in the tubing ? Some guys pressurize the lines before placing the concrete. Really great content Bondo, thanks for the details, invaluable information. One of the best tips is 4,000 psi with low slump, as you said, why pay for high strength then dilute it with water?
I have done a bunch of foam board 2 inch using the staples and 5/8 radiant pipe and it works just fine, same kind of stapler.
Thanks I am going to try it because I am just going by what another guy told me.
Do you seal the ends of those tubes up? I'm thinking a bug or even a small sneak could get down in there and end up messing things up later on.
Good video
good job boys
Cheaper to lay 2" XPS 4x8 sheets down than closed cell SF, probably faster too. Must tape the seams. Code is to lay R-10 under concrete basement floors whether in-floor heating is used or not, at least where I live.
I find taping the seams a waste of time because as you walk on it the foam moves and the tape comes off.
@@bondobuilt386 Mine didn't. Need to use the right tape made for XPS. I used O C HomeSealR tape, which is double the cost of duct tape and other tapes but it sticks tenaciously. If you don't use tape, you can have the XPS float as the concrete is poured, which can be a complete disaster.
I like using mid range water reducer and i like pouring at a 6.5
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121 👍's up BB thank you for sharing 😊
May have missed it Ron but how deep do you make your relief cuts? I do enjoy your videos especially the ICF ones. Great work
Thanks about 3/4" deep on the cute. 😀
That underfloor heating setup looks slick!
Just out of curiosity, how does getting 2" of closed cell foam sprayed on the ground like this compare with using 2" closed cell foam boards? That stapler sure makes things go a lot faster that tying the UFH pipes to the rebar mesh! 👍
Thanks. I think both will work good but the spray does not move under when you walk on it and has no seams. It is stuck to that ground.
@@bondobuilt386Is there any major differences in cost between the two, the spray foam solution looks like it's a lot faster and easier to work with / so that is obviously a benefit, but having to have someone else install it could be a faff as well?
The spray is more money and if it was going to hold up the job or it was to wet I would do the 2" foam sheets. @@Dingbat217
What is that little cab thingy with the wheels at the back of the cement trucks?
What material are you using for the “tack coat”?
Did you have that tack coat put over the door openings so the floor can slide and not crack
I would of wanted you to finish the top of the concrete on top of the foam wall....would of taken very little time to smooth that out a bit.
Do you pressure test those lines prior to pouring?
do you ever do heated driveways ? i'm in buffalo . there is a guy on youtube that did like 25 or more videos about his heated driveway that he did.
Would this foam interfere with the installation of a French drain in the future?
Shirtless biscuit with the size 16 boot is key to proper compaction
2:07 You were right the first time - a flat surface. Just not level.
Hey Bondo I watch most of your vids. I am looking into putting pex down under an in ground pool but this is at the beginning stages right now. I have done a few concrete pex jobs but not a pool and the people that sell the pool kits say they have never heard of anyone doing it. I personally think its a great idea but I have a few questions. Any chance you would try to answer a couple of questions if a guy emailed you?? advise only.
Yes I can try and answer them. 👍
when doing this in floor heating what you are supposed to do is pressurize the pex with air pressure and have repair nipples and clamps ready in case you puncture the tubing. you will stop an air leak coming out of the concrete pretty easy.
What could puncture the tubing on this application?
There’s no rebar, no metal mesh, just spray foam and concrete.
Why not use the spray foam as the frost barrier too vs foam sheets?
The board foam is cheaper and just for frost protection. The value of the spray foam is inside to keep the house warm and seal it up tight.
Great work! Will the concrete near the garage door not cause cold bridging in to the heated concrete inside, as there’s no insulation between the two ?
It definitely does, we added an extra loop of pex near the door(6" OC instead of 12")
Good morning
You do realize what with the weather they’re calling for here this weekend, this video, with 80+ degree and sunny weather is a knife to the heart, right? LOL You really know how to hurt a guy! 🤣😉 Nice work, curious to see how the no real reinforcement works out in a few years. Time will tell. Get your snow equipment fired up, we’re all going to need it! 🤨🤦♂️👍
How does the horizontal foam help any to keep the building warm that is placed outside instead the inside? Is putting all on the vertical a better option? What does the horizontal foam do when placed on the outside of the foundation? By the way I like your videos!!! :)
It keeps the frost from driving below the foatings. I've got 4' horizontal foam with similar ICF's in northern Mn.
It does the same. It's better to go vertical if you can and easier but sometimes water table won't let you. Check your local code before doing anything. With horizontal there's a good chance to have negative pitch. You could run the water right back to the foundation and landscaping could cause issues. Digging holes for plants even gophers could mess it up
I wonder the cost difference between the spray foam and foam board is. I am in planning stages of building an ICF house.
probably 40% more but you do not need plastic vapor barrier and it it done for you so no labor.
@@bondobuilt386 Where do you guys put the plastic/poly vapor barrier when using board foam? Under the insulation board or on top of it?
I put it under the foam. @@itas0r
what climate zone are you in?
the fibers are polypropylene not fiberglass because the concrete attacks glass because it's caustic.
Have to wonder what the actual lifespan of foam in the dirt is. We haven't been doing it long enough to really know.
40" below frost anything is about 50°. Foam. Concrete. Water. Plastic. Rebar. Heat goes up. Frost can't get below 40" or so.
No welded wire fabric? I hope the concrete at least has fiberglass reinforcement.
It did have fibers.
The spray foam in Texas has gotten insanely expensive. Got a quote of 36k to insulate a 2k sf house I'm building for someone. Five years ago I did this exact same house, by the same company for 5.7k. Ridiculous.
That is crazy. We had that happen here for a while and I could not sell the spray so we did 2" board foam. But it has came back down since then.
Great well orginanized jobsite with no drama. Your customers get thrir money's worth with your firm. Ray Stormont
I’ve never seen that done before
we gotta get biscut a mansiere
I take it the stapler is designed to be impossible for the staple to pierce the tubing?
You'd really have to try to f up
someday they wiil require 2 or 3 loops on permiter and large opening and center 1 loop, , concrete is mass heat sink once up tyo temp doesnt need the double pipe? work for my slabs saved 50% of pipe , in bathroom did ;like urs, rest way less and home is toasty nice minnesot negative 40
What ever happened to a 12 in footings and 8 ft poured foundation somuch easier
Get that biscuit a shirt and some sun screen
U guys, Bondo inflate the work /price when it is typical where we are on Van isle
Burnt Biscuit lol
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How much did they charge for the spray foam on this job?
I do not know the amount the homeowner hired them and he paid them.
Duane called me a couple days ago and we had a nice chat. And now I see this video. Are you guys sending me a subtle hint? We'll be talk soon.
That staple gun a rip off Amazon $763 cnd and if you use it all the time it end junk. He'll you can buy a long sub floor screw gun for $280 that last. Then the plastic staples for it is very costly per 100
Do you know how much that spray foam job cost?
a ball park would be $2 a squarecfoot but that could change depending on size of job.
What runs through the tubing to generate the heat?
Hot water from a propane fired boiler.
@@bondobuilt386 Cool. Thanks
How much was the foam ?
They pass the buck
cant do it here , not a chance
I did not see the footing drains...
The homeowner refused to let us do the drains as it is in about 6 feet of sand and he said it was pointless. I wanted to do them as we always do if we have a place to take it to daylight.
@@bondobuilt386Interesting...In Canada, would not be up to the owner and they would not pass plumbing and drainage inspection without the inspector seeing it before backfilling....Thanks for the videos...I'm looking forward to building my next house again soon!
Awesome glad the videos are helpful. @@SailingCatamaranElement
I can agree that the foam insulation under the slab would make for a good job.
But you wont convince me on the foam filled with concrete on the walls.
Dont hit it with a lawn mower or a weed wacker.
😂 siding still goes over the foam
@@BealyGood Really, lol
Then please explain the parge coat of mortar on the foam at the grade level, or didnt you notice that?
Not knocking Bondos work, as usual it is excellent.
Foam does well for insulation on (protected areas.)
Grade level around a buildings exterior is not a protected area.
@@ernieforrest7218 That should be the waterproofing. We don’t leave any foam exposed on ICF builds , not sure what Bondo does.
@@BealyGoodthe famous, or infamous, Bealy good lol. Letsdig18 still making millions at your place? Lol
@@terencemerritt He’s taking a break to let the coffers refill 🤣
I wouldnt want a concrete floor in my house it kills your feet.. i had a job i had to quit as all day on crete was crippling....
Make a smaller house so you do not have to walk all day from one side of the house to another one
I watch your movies
You need a 6ml Paper barrier on the ground. Here were winter now is 30 below that 4 foot wide bubble foil works as a good vaperbearer an you put the foil side up reflex heat back up. All seam of plastic foil an foam must be sealed with a 3" wide aproved tape. Foam must be 4 feet out on a 45 deg slop with 2 feet of foan down out side side of footings and 4" drain tile in the very bottom of the footing compact 1/2" washed crushed rock making sure you have a minmum 2' flat bottom footing to fit the 2 foot wide foam in an still maintan a 24" deep footing. Ground water the biggest rob of heat. How many out door wood hot water heater lines i dug up because they complain they burn a lot of wood. I just have to go there in winter an drive over were there lines are barried an i know why. Then you have these fools that get sucked into paying thousands of $ in a factory foam filled 4" black solid drain tile with 2- 1" pex line in side.. at best an R3 for 32 years i been building my own water tight line insalated so good i do winter installs laying the line on top of the ground in 40 below an snow never melts off.
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This video is old. Did you never post this or reposting?
I never posted the slab pour just the walls. We do way more work than I can keep up with the videos. It's just me doing all this TH-cam nobody helps me like some bigger channels. Maybe some day. LOL
@@bondobuilt386 maybe biscuit could do it. Beer in left hand,mouse in right lol
@@bondobuilt386i appreciate the videos. I’m learning a lot.
I wish. LOL@@adventurebegins1
@@bondobuilt386People don’t realize how much work goes into filming, editing etc. Great job!
spray is a bad product, open or closed. gas off is shit
I've been hearing for years that when you run that in-floor heat, you don't want to let your runs get much more than 300 feet each - if possible. Some will try to get 4 250-foot runs out of 1,000 feet... but MOST will try to get 3 333-foot runs. You, though, are talking about a full 1,000-foot run. Has something changed? Has the tech improved somehow? ... or is that "guideline" just a bunch of BS?
Watch the video again and you will hear me talk of the runs being 275 feet each and 3 of them for garage.
@@bondobuilt386 - Yeah... I caught that, but at first you were talking about when you got to 750 feet, you were going to need to run it back to the utility wall or whatever. So... I still wanted the question answered even though you changed it up to approx 300 ft runs. I thought perhaps there might have been some reasoning behind being able to run the full thousand feet. So... have you ever run them that long? the full thousand feet?
The 1000' roll of tubing has length marked during manufacture at intervals (I think 5 or 10 ft?). So you start laying at 1000' and work backwards.
Yes thanks For that. @@kknows3512
With 5/8'' tubing you can go 333' without having too much head pressure for a standard circulator.
With 1/2''' tubing... better be around 200'.
I did know of one guy who DIYed his slab with the whole thousand foot coil.
If the guy had just listened to you he wouldn't of had to put a boiler in. You do this all the time how come people don't listen to your advice.
His father in law told him the insulation would work. Ya he wished he listened to me.
totally cheap out
garbage fill