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CRAZY Discoveries From The NiGHTS Datamine!

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
  • We dive further into the 'NiGHTS into Dreams' datamine. There's more unused assets, updates to previous mysteries, and a new lead on the deleted boss 'Selph'. Just when you thought things couldn't get any weirder.
    Video Chapters -
    00:00 - Intro & Info
    01:27 - Nightmaren Eggs
    02:16 - Spiked Objects For Clawz's Arena
    02:36 - Construction Sign
    03:13 - Orb Variants
    03:48 - Collectable Hat Item
    04:11 - Twin Seeds Palm Tree & Missing Buildings
    05:19 - NiGHTS Facial Expressions
    07:25 - Scrapped Nightmaren Enemy
    10:28 - Beta Demo's Unused Title Screen
    11:23 - 'Blue Door' Update
    13:46 - 'Orange House'
    16:11 - 3D Models Are Now Being Datamined
    18:30 - Latest Lead On 'Selph', the deleted Boss.
    E3 1996 Footage from Freckleslam - • Video
    Important Links:
    NiGHTS Datamine Website (by Gremmar) - sites.google.c...
    PC NiGHTS (2012) Image Viewer Tool (by Gremmar) - github.com/mg3...
    Saturn NiGHTS (1996) Texture Explorer (by Gremmar) - github.com/mg3...
    NiGHTS Discord Server - / discord
    Gremmar Warden on Twitter - / gremmarwarden
    Ketrin (Main Account) on Twitter - / ketdarkdragon
    Ketrin (Art Account) on Twitter - / ketartdragon
    Andreas Scholl on Twitter - / andreasscholl09
    Andreas Scholl on TH-cam - / zeronineohnein
    NiGHTS E3 1996 demo on Hidden Palace - tinyurl.com/yc...
    NiGHTS into Dreams on Steam:
    - store.steampow...
    _________
    #NiGHTSintoDreams #SEGA #SonicTeam

ความคิดเห็น • 213

  • @dariattic
    @dariattic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    Seeing people discuss their process&findings in the datamine channel is like watching a group of wizards casually dismantling some artifact of arcane knowledge.

    • @pikaboystudios3842
      @pikaboystudios3842 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      true. i couldn't possibly do that unless it's a dta file and it's srb2

  • @TheCanadianPuppeteer
    @TheCanadianPuppeteer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    It’s wild watching this all happen in the NiGHTS into Dreams discord in real time, and actually too much to process so I’m glad this video series exists so that I can understand how mind-blowing these discoveries are.

    • @PilloTheStar
      @PilloTheStar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You got a link to that there nights into dreams server?

    • @onthedre
      @onthedre 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PilloTheStar same I have to join

    • @prometheus5997
      @prometheus5997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@onthedre yo me too!

  • @polterbear5449
    @polterbear5449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    It goes to show how devoted the community is that, in the absence of a new game, everyone is willing to put in so much work to plumb the depths of the original. Waste not, want not!

    • @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33
      @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You said it right there mate! EVEN A FAN-MADE MAGAZINE ABOUT NIGHTS IS GOING ON POPULAR IN THE NIGHTS COMMUNITY SINCE IT BEGAN IN MAY 2020!

    • @DiGiValentine
      @DiGiValentine  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's one major thing that i always loved about the NiGHTS community. During the many years that the IP remains dormant, the fans step up and keep it active on their own. The fans have truly kept NiGHTS alive all these years.

  • @vegetafan9922
    @vegetafan9922 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I think the unused grinning faces of NiGHTS might have been for an unused idle animation where she would start making faces at the player if you leave her hovering for a bit like how Sonic will tap his foot

  • @JCOdrjones
    @JCOdrjones 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Honey wake up, DiGi released a new video on NiGHTS datamined content!

  • @MagillanicaLouM
    @MagillanicaLouM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    The Crewle into Gillwing theory could also tie further into the earlier mentioned "Nightmaren laying eggs" scrapped idea, which would get into even further Pokémon territory.... Before pokemon itself introduces the concept of eggs and breeding into its games. Wild

    • @AlessandroSchiassi
      @AlessandroSchiassi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Which it was later re-used for Chaos in Sonic Adventure...

    • @DiGiValentine
      @DiGiValentine  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I mean, i'm mostly just having fun with that silly Gillwing evolution theory. The connections are a stretch but i thought they were interesting to mention. If it ever turns out to be true though i'll be VERY surprised, lol. But i'm not banking on it.

  • @loziclec.1295
    @loziclec.1295 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I'd been thinking of making a NiGHTS into Dreams iceberg for fun, but with how much we're learning recently, it would feel incomplete in no time.

    • @aortaplatinum
      @aortaplatinum 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You can start filling it out with stuff we already know, leaving room and not posting it until the miners have laid literally everything bare from these builds.

    • @loziclec.1295
      @loziclec.1295 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@aortaplatinum I'm also debating including some Journey of Dreams stuff, like The Great Mother. I'm pretty sure nobody cares enough to mine JoD, but I'm not sure if people want JoD stuff on a NiGHTSberg.

    • @ikagura
      @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@loziclec.1295 Journey of Dreams is a part of the franchise tho.
      Unless it's an iceberg dedicated to Into Dreams

    • @DiGiValentine
      @DiGiValentine  2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I'd say give the datamine a few more months to let them dig further, just in case anything else crazy pops up, and then go from there. I mean, i'm trying to document the findings as best as i can but every time i start writing a script another bunch of discoveries happen, lol. Sometimes, newer discoveries provide answers for older discoveries, which then requires rewriting and organising entire parts of one section. Maybe work on an iceberg slowly, keep track of the datamines updates, and when it looks like the dig has finished you can commit to making a full-scale iceberg. That's my advice, anyway.

  • @ibilesfighter3.16
    @ibilesfighter3.16 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Not gonna lie, you had me with the first half of Selph. Legit thought it was a real person with controversy.

    • @JamesSmith-vn6vi
      @JamesSmith-vn6vi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      same here i legit almost had a heart attack

  • @ShadowDurza
    @ShadowDurza 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    THEORY TIME
    What if Elliot and Clarice both had their own version of Selph? The more Jester-like emblem would correspond to Elliot, but the unknown emblem seems vaguely feminine with the curling parts.

  • @chaoticneutralsheep
    @chaoticneutralsheep 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    12:27 The emblem on the door looks like a Nightopian, the teardrop head, body and the wings. I wonder if there was originally plans to make an area for Nightopians but due to limitations at the time it was scrapped. The team went on to make the Chao island in Sonic adventure 2 which is pretty similar to the concept, Nights JOD lends to that theory because there's a door that takes the player to the Nightopian garden, similar to the Chao's so it all went full circle.

  • @RabbitEarsCh
    @RabbitEarsCh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I was hoping you'd say something like "there's no way we're going to find Selph" so that in two weeks you'd be forced to post a video talking about how you found Selph.
    Thanks for the updates again. It's super exciting to see how this is all coming together.

    • @DiGiValentine
      @DiGiValentine  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Damn. I should have ended the video with that, lol.

  • @ikagura
    @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Everytimes Digi talks about Nights I get blissful.

  • @Knightblade64
    @Knightblade64 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Holy heck this has gotten insane. I cant wait for what comes next in this datamine

  • @SpaceManRD
    @SpaceManRD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The sharp teeth are a cute touch, given Nights _is_ still a Nightmaren and would retain some monstrous traits like the others.

  • @guardianeye1918
    @guardianeye1918 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    You know, you could also make a Pokémon evolution line with Clawz:
    1º Stage: The cats that Bomamba uses in her battles
    2º Stage: That early design of Clawz where he was a round red cat
    3º Stage: Clawz

  • @onthedre
    @onthedre 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    4:00 that hat is probably from beta NiGHTS design. NiGHTS probably would’ve been a live based game before getting scrapped, which makes sense due to its arcade like nature.

    • @onthedre
      @onthedre 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wrote this before letting him finish the sentence lol

  • @TheHoboPig
    @TheHoboPig 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I love watching the discord server finding new things, we've sure have gone a long way from this whole datamine, glad to see NiGHTS getting some attention thanks to this hopefully we can find more lost things and for me personally I must see if the crazy bastards find Selph, can't wait for your next vid!

  • @SymbioteMullet
    @SymbioteMullet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    What a wonderful time to be a NiGHTS fan!

  • @arran4285
    @arran4285 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wouldn't it be funny if by the time the Selph video come out Selph was found

  • @charleschamp9826
    @charleschamp9826 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Every time new info about NiD data mining comes out it's like a sweet mix in holy night.

  • @beckab4726
    @beckab4726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With every new addition to this data mining series DiGi slowly descends into madness.

  • @SonicStation
    @SonicStation 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It is amazing to see all of this getting uncovered! I have recently been exploring a lot of Nights Into Dreams thanks to this series and I love it!
    I have recently found some interesting Nights Flash Content along with a GBA version of it. I am going to release them soon in my channel but if you are interested in any of these I can send them all to you ;)

    • @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33
      @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It would be shockingly epic if you are fortunate enough to score a real physical GBA handheld and the NIDSA GBA Mini Game, which would absolutely render my emulator advice useless lmfao!
      OpenEmu and it's download link is also safe to use since I virus scanned that thing too many times which always came out clean.

    • @ikagura
      @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The ram game from Billy Hatche

  • @Actually_Zahren
    @Actually_Zahren 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Those emblems/heads at the end definitely interest me... The one with the curved "horns" definitely resemble Reala, but it also resembles the "More NiGHTS" icon from the official NiGHTS into dreams website. The other one doesn't look like anything out of NiGHTS, but does somewhat resemble Lumina Flowlight from Sonic Shuffle (though it's missing the "bumps" on the sides of her head). Given that Lumina already has a very NiGHTs-like design (and the fact she gets replaced with NiGHTS if the date is set to 24/12) it makes me wonder if the character design for whatever that second head was from was shelved and eventually used for Sonic Shuffle

  • @EllisWarren
    @EllisWarren 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yes DiGi what a video!! Enjoyed this at 3am after getting a new HS on Christmas NiGHTS. It’s such an exciting time right now, I’m watching the Discord in absolute wonder at the skill and discoveries from everyone involved. Cannot wait for your video on Selph. Keep up the top work geezer

  • @verdeurie8650
    @verdeurie8650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That grinning NiGHTS is gonna haunt my nightmares for sure.

  • @Hell_Soll
    @Hell_Soll 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    this is bloody insanity!!! I'm just sitting here yelling WTF over and over again!!! can't wait for the next video about Selph 8D

  • @PixelPalettes
    @PixelPalettes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Honestly the entire Blue Door segment made me think "This is the only fandom that can focus on parts of a door while datamining this hard and still have me captivated"

  • @MihariofMabinogi
    @MihariofMabinogi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Maybe it's just my vision screwing with me, so you're welcome to mark this off as nonsense. But when the camera's spinning around Elliot at about 13:57-13:58, the light blue part of the door starts to turn from light blue to pink before going off screen. If it is tied to the house, maybe it was programmed to slowly turn orange after certain goals are met?

  • @popculturepausescreen1522
    @popculturepausescreen1522 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for all your work as well to this project Digi Valentine, cataloguing what they have found and collecting them in video form. That is also fantastic.

  • @SuperMario152
    @SuperMario152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The man returned.

  • @BboyDrMadison
    @BboyDrMadison 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Gillwing tadpole thing, just blew up my entire childhood.

  • @kennylauderdale_en
    @kennylauderdale_en 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    (muffled Yuji Naka Screaming in the background)

    • @arran4285
      @arran4285 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Funny seeing you here

    • @ikagura
      @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Naka shouldn't matter anymore

  • @MalanTp
    @MalanTp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You guys are freaking mad, I can't believe how far we got in such a short period of time, what the hell? Awesome video DiGi, and as a Nightopian nerd, I absolutely aprove your Crewl evolution theory!
    Regarding the objects you call "the doors", have you notice that the old Ideya Capture is right between those objects? Maybe the Ideya Capture appears from those doors or something like that, such as, doing some task to make it spawn or something? Just a theroy of course.
    Anyway, terrific job to everyone involved!

    • @GremmarYT
      @GremmarYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Whoa it's malan!

  • @natecronnon4736
    @natecronnon4736 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hot damn! More dev notes this is amazing I hate to see what's in Sonic jam and other Saturn games that had never got a good scan of their assets

  • @kyokugenryudisciple9349
    @kyokugenryudisciple9349 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    10:02 Not to go off topic but the way you lined up Crewle & Pole, Crewle, and Gilwing it’s like a line up of a Pokémon’s Evolution Line.
    Water, Water/Psychic, Dragon/Psychic
    Edit: 10:25 DAMNIT YOU BEAT ME TOO IT!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @guardianeye1918
      @guardianeye1918 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I personally think that Dragon/Poison would be better suited for Gillwing, mainly because of the spikes in his tail. But Psychic is an interesting choice too, given that he is a dragon from the Dream World.

  • @ikagura
    @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Night's smile with pointy teeth is both scary and cute.

    • @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33
      @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I bet ma dam money if those NIDS Dataminers found many facial animations of all the nightmarens both in game and scrapped!

    • @ikagura
      @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@majixajinxix12chartdisplay33 Nights is a nightmaren right? Or is it a retcon from Journey of Dreams?

    • @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33
      @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ikagura Its already canon that NiGHTS is a Nightmaren, even a cutscene in Helen's story in NJoD clearly stated that NiGHTS is a Nightmaren.
      The specific cutscene where Reala reveals NiGHTS being a nightmaren though he did twist some of the truth since Reala never mentioned that NiGHTS rebelled against Wizeman though, whether he knows it or not at all.

  • @AnimatedAF
    @AnimatedAF 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The return of Salad Plains, I can't believe it.

  • @RaynbowistLaney
    @RaynbowistLaney 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    If both of those emblems belong to Selph, I can see the second set of emblems to be Selph with a hood upon his head. If he does have horns like Nights and Reala, it may be a bit of a stretch to say it's a hood, but I just thought it would be interesting to say.

    • @itsgab5745
      @itsgab5745 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It could be possible the hood is horns shaped facing down and curved while having a third horn or gem on the head. It kinda looks a bit Egyptian and feminine.

  • @acesartgallery9117
    @acesartgallery9117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My personal theory about the emblems was that they where meant for some kind of two player feature, that aloud you to race with your friends. One would be meant for whoever was playing Elliot and the other Clarice, that way the players wouldn't get confused by having two NiGHTS flying around the stage. The reason they appear in the collectable item data could be that there were more options for 2 player mode and they where apart of an item collecting challenge.
    They could have something to do with Selph, but if I had to guess, if the two player mode theory is correct, then Selph could have been some kind of Nightmaren Boss that reflected on the character that you played as. That would explain why the stripes are blue on one of them, that one would presumably belong to Elliot, resembling his blue hair. Perhaps in the 1 player campaign you had to also collect the emblems in hard to reach areas of the level, in order to unlock a boss fight with Selph. Or maybe it was like Sonic, where you needed a certain amount of items in order to enter a bonus level that Selph was the boss of.
    This all could be disproven within less than a month though, I'm really excited to see people finally take a crack on NiGHTS code and Saturn games in general! It feels like a decades worth of advancements have been made within less than a year and I can't wait to see more! Keep up the good work! ^u^

  • @blossom2198
    @blossom2198 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    dang this nights datamine content is overflowing so much that it's like a broken dam with these crazy discoveries XD
    still though super excited and glad nights is getting the love by it loyal fans ( me included) I wonder what crazy discoveries are gonna pop up next? 😆

  • @MidniteAndBeyond
    @MidniteAndBeyond 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Before watching video: It seriously feels like its only a matter of time until they find Selph.
    After watching video: OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @GremmarYT
      @GremmarYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hope so, I'm excited

    • @DiGiValentine
      @DiGiValentine  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lol, well, i need to remind you that we haven't found him, but it is the closest we've ever been. So, unless something major happens between now and the next video, Selph is still 'undiscovered' in the traditional sense. Fingers crossed, i guess ~

  • @angrygarbanzo5436
    @angrygarbanzo5436 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Pretty selphish of Selph to not show up for his boss fight; who does this guy think he is?!

    • @PiroKUSS
      @PiroKUSS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shut up

    • @kingnightmarevin
      @kingnightmarevin ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe he's just an introvert with really bad social anxiety?

  • @GigglyMan42069
    @GigglyMan42069 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And here i am just glad to be a part of it.

  • @ericselim254
    @ericselim254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "The character was never meant to be a clean cut hero like Sonic but rather more of an antihero with a rebellious and carefree nature"
    So rather than being like Sonic, NiGHTS was meant to be like Sonic? =P

  • @paulolorenzo3522
    @paulolorenzo3522 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was watching this video with subtitles and at 14:00 Digi said "Beta Ideya Capture", but in the substitles, it was "Beta Idiot Capture" and I bursted out of laugh. LMAO

  • @DreamyImagination101
    @DreamyImagination101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is SO HARD not to scream in excitement right now! This is absolutely AMAZING news! I can't wait to hear about more discoveries on the project! 😃
    Oh my gosh I hope we get more Selph data. That would be absolutely extraordinary! :)

  • @louche2388
    @louche2388 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been very interested in the creepy sharp tooth grin since NiGHTS is after all supposed to be a nightmare creature

  • @imaginaryinkorporated5935
    @imaginaryinkorporated5935 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Apologies in advance for adding to the conspiracy board but after considering the possible connection between "Crewle" and Gillwing take a look at the aesthetic similarities between Hollows and Puffy....

    • @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33
      @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @ImaginaryInkorporated Good point too, I noticed how similar looking those little bird nightmaren are to her in color palette terms. :)

    • @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33
      @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wonder if Sonic Team removed the Nightmaren eggs due to finding some ways to explain Wizeman's role? Like if Wizeman did not create the Nightmarens due to the fact that they are natural born eggs that are organically reproduceable then that could very much undermine Wizeman's overall presence and involvement as the NIDs' main antagonist.

    • @guardianeye1918
      @guardianeye1918 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I personally was considering the Party enemy to "evolve" into Puffy. They don't like very similar, but it is mainly because Party is the only Third Level Nightmaren who has a fancy feminine design.

  • @mq7wn
    @mq7wn ปีที่แล้ว

    when i was a kid playing nights it was something that nobody knew about or appreciated. it makes me happy cry to see so much effort love and TIME being put into the conserving and exploring of this game!!!!!

  • @mistermike4023
    @mistermike4023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    20:06 Okay, I think I just had a massive epiphany regarding what these head icons were for. So a little bit ago I was looking at some old concept art for the game when a particular image caught my eye: It was an early design for Claris that bore a different hair style than what ended up being used. This hair style looks very much like the second icon with the curled horns. And that's when it hit me: I don't think these icons had anything to do with Selph. Rather, I believe these icons were supposed to be used for the level select. With 4 heads per child, each with a different color, they'd fit perfectly as stage icons.
    Furthermore, other pieces of early concept art show NiGHTS with a single, whispy piece of hair growing out of their head. Combine this with the icons having what appear to be striped details on their horns, I think that, originally, NiGHTS was supposed to have different designs (at least for their head) depending on who they dualized with: The horned design we all know and love would be for Elliot, whereas the design with the curled horns would be for Claris.

  • @rossperk
    @rossperk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    18:00 If Claris starts with the Salad Plain, should Elliot get the Thousand Island Plain? 🤣

  • @Duck_Allen
    @Duck_Allen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sega is chill with fan projects and making them official maybe we could get a perfect remake plus more like sonic mania

    • @GremmarYT
      @GremmarYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      one can dream

  • @shinkenger2011
    @shinkenger2011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It makes me so happy people still care about NiGHTS

  • @lovingfool2060
    @lovingfool2060 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro can I just say? Thanks for repping our fav jester so long

  • @randomdude581
    @randomdude581 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude as soon as I saw the unused Crewle sprite, my brain immediately thought “that looks like a smaller gillwing!”
    Also, the unused collectible sprite that looks like NiGHTS’ hat kind of reminds me of the NiGHTS-esque hat in Billy Hatcher that lets you walk on top of eggs.

  • @MagillanicaLouM
    @MagillanicaLouM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Data miners moving faster than a drill dash

    • @SparkleWolf404
      @SparkleWolf404 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Funny you mention it, the datamine channel actually used to be called "drill dash"

    • @MagillanicaLouM
      @MagillanicaLouM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SparkleWolf404 talk about making a destined comment lol

  • @frankbrocker2963
    @frankbrocker2963 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    this NiGHTS/sega saturn datamine train is getting crazy, im gonna have to keep a closer eye on it. gives me an actual reason to use twitter!
    PS: this is unrelated, but im not sure sonic counts as "clear-cut hero".

    • @SymbioteMullet
      @SymbioteMullet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He's just a hedgehog who loves adventure!

    • @frankbrocker2963
      @frankbrocker2963 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SymbioteMullet he is what he is!

    • @DiGiValentine
      @DiGiValentine  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maybe 'clear cut' was a poor choice of words on my part. Essentially, what i meant by it was that Sonic is considered to be a hero with attitude, but definitely a 'hero'. Sonic's entirely focused on saving others and is purely committed to his role as a hero. NiGHTS on the other hand isn't a hero at all but one of the 'enemies' who is so free-spirited and mischievous that they rebelled their role as a villain purely because they liked having their freedom. Sonic will save somebody for selfless reasons, where-as NiGHTS will help someone but tends to initially want something else in return (namely, freedom from their prison). But anyways, it was a poor choice of words and it didn't convey what i meant clearly. My bad.

    • @frankbrocker2963
      @frankbrocker2963 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DiGiValentine I see what you mean now. If I made it sound like it was something more serious than it really is, that's my bad as well, I just thought I'd point it out since I wouldn't consider Sonic the same kind of hero as Mario for example, who tends to have very little characterization outside of his heroic deeds. Sonic is more nuanced, always following his own code and doesn't care which side is "right" in the end, choosing the side he's on for himself (although unfortunately, this aspect of his nature as a hero is all but forgotten about now.) I do think that it's really interesting how NiGHTS contrasts Sonic as a character, though, sharing many similarities but showing them in different ways. It's something I'll always respect about old Sonic Team's character design. It's a shame the way they've turned out now.

  • @ZeronineOhNein
    @ZeronineOhNein 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video! Keep up the good work

  • @BlazeHedgehog
    @BlazeHedgehog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If I had to guess, the eggs were probably to show a hybrid pian had been created, and they were cut for memory reasons. Every byte of texture data counts on a console like the Saturn.

    • @BBWahoo
      @BBWahoo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      420 blaze some speed

  • @kingkazma3246
    @kingkazma3246 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So many ideas both for Classic Sonic and NiGHTS might have bled into Sonic Adventure!

    • @ikagura
      @ikagura 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Like the pointy teeth?

  • @SixStringsGeek
    @SixStringsGeek 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    wild theory 06:34 is Selph. Right there there's unused face texture and unused model for a character that most likely looked the same as NiGHTS.

  • @otaking3582
    @otaking3582 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The thing on the door looks like a Nightopian. Maybe the door was to access a proto-Chao Garden / My Dream area instead of looking at Nightopians in a gallery menu?

  • @basicmountaingriff
    @basicmountaingriff 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the theory that just because of the narrow neck and pointy head on different parts of the door, the blue door was supposed to be the secret entrance to fight Self

  • @mikedangerous3224
    @mikedangerous3224 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude this video coming out on my birthday is such a crazy treat. I honestly never thought we would see this amount datamined content for NID. Makes me happy knowing how strong that fanbase is. Have we looked at Christmas Nights at all? Wonder what that could be hiding.

  • @fabillon7086
    @fabillon7086 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the night speedrunning discord is also keepin an eye on everything here and its fucking WILD. god i love it.

  • @itsgab5745
    @itsgab5745 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a sucker for deleted and cut bosses and characters. So, take your time on the Selph video, just know that I and probably a lot more are super excited to see it come.

  • @mysryuza
    @mysryuza 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Somehow Selph always fascinated me after reading about them from the wiki. The concept seemed interesting to me. I was inspired to make my interpretation of the character like some other fans.

  • @G.R_777
    @G.R_777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    12:30 that looks like a nightopian even has similar colors, maybe a scraped nightopian room

  • @lizardfishbird
    @lizardfishbird 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like it’s worth noting that the metal spirals on the blue door and orange structure seem to pretty closely match the spiral “horns” on the unknown character emblem

  • @eunaoseibrother467
    @eunaoseibrother467 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that fucking grin scares me holy shit

  • @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33
    @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah DreamDragon27! :D LET ALSO SEE WHAT THINGS ARE HIDDEN IN NJOD TOO!
    Like holy dam krap, this NiGHTS Datamining Series got me much more hooked in seeing and supporting its progress! And I watch this while I'm drawing a random fanart of Wizeman, dam I wanna see more of this datamine to progress! :) Can't really wait for that new video in the future,
    Also at that rate, I believe that Digi-V would end up having a live stream of the NiGHTS Datamining if progress is growing way too fuk up fast for him too keep up to even bring up multiple videos.
    Anyways Happy advance New Year Digi Valentine! :D

  • @kacecrimson8297
    @kacecrimson8297 ปีที่แล้ว

    DiGi "you're not gonna believe what we found"
    Starlight "Hold my ideya"

  • @GuukanKitsune
    @GuukanKitsune 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Always remember: Nights is, in fact, also a Nightmaren.
    They are a FRIENDLY Nightmaren.
    But they are, in fact, a Nightmaren.

  • @caffeinatedchamomile
    @caffeinatedchamomile 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    12:40 Doesn’t the swirly pattern on the middle of the “door” kind of look like the hood thing from the unidentified emblem render? The one that they found with the Reala/NiGHT’S emblem render? Is it possible that the emblem render isn’t a character but a structure or that the door maybe has a connection to the character depicted in the emblem? Maybe a stretch but they both have a shiny rock thing in the middle of their “head” although that doesn’t mean much
    Maybe the door was somehow connected to whatever character the emblem is depicting, before they and the door were scrapped? Definitely not Self but maybe another character that would maybe be an oracle or something not affiliated with a boss fight

  • @mrdreamy1747
    @mrdreamy1747 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think 2022 will be a good year.

  • @TheFoxFromSplashMountain
    @TheFoxFromSplashMountain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd love to see JoD datamined. Seeing 'new' NiGHTS content in the 2020s is insane and I'm absolutely here for it.

  • @marcfuentes5579
    @marcfuentes5579 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is cool but I always get an irrational fear/discomfort with seeing datamined assests like t posing or weird messed up areas. Like seeing a weird texture

  • @LunDruid
    @LunDruid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What I wonder is, given how much we're finding and learning, not just about NiGHTS but also about Saturn games in general, what that could mean going forward. Like, could all this potentially lead to cracking the Saturn open fully so its weird secrets are fully revealed? Might it be possible using this data to somehow create tools to not only mod these games with new content, but also potentially create homebrew Saturn games?
    Maybe I'm thinking too grandly here, but maybe the Saturn's true time to shine is yet to come.

    • @DiGiValentine
      @DiGiValentine  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, there is currently a SEGA Saturn homebrew scene, and fans have been developing games for the console for a while now. I know PandaMonium done a video on some Saturn homebrew titles a year or so ago, so check that out. In regards to NiGHTS' own reverse-engineering, this could be the beginning of the modding scene. We might see full publicly released model editors, or custom map editors, or maybe even full-scale fan games. If progress like this continues then who knows what the community will eventually be capable of. Honestly, it's a GREAT time to be a fan of the Saturn right now.

  • @paperdragon5583
    @paperdragon5583 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here is my crazy theory after watching all these vids. The one thing I've seen that looks like the boss emblem for Self is whats on the blue door. The head shape appears to line up.

  • @karlhnedkovsky5214
    @karlhnedkovsky5214 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys are poppin' off! This is amazing!

  • @Leon-oo4ei
    @Leon-oo4ei 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Selph, huh? Interesting it sounds so much like self (duh), so every time you mention "finding selph" it sounds like soul searching

  • @themeekwarrior
    @themeekwarrior 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The grin would have been an awesome idle animation! :D Maybe it didn't make sense to implement it because of the time limits on all the levels.

  • @leilaclarridge5807
    @leilaclarridge5807 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We could actually mod NiGHTS into Dreams! How exciting!

  • @supersonadowfan
    @supersonadowfan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really got me waiting for these to drop 💖💖💖

  • @isabelfranqui5784
    @isabelfranqui5784 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    15:31 It's look red and orangeish yellow hat door House. Maybe is where u can make nightspots and dreamterror hybrids.

  • @magnazero
    @magnazero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OKAY EVERYONE! it is now time for magnazero's wild randon theory speculation spectaculars supreme! not this is all shots in the dark and I'm only going on my archival memory of casually playing this game as a kid and collecting every issue of the nights into dreams archie comics and frome my experience from studding those comics from cover to cover for several years. Now hear me out on this but what I think those two heads are in fact... (dramatic pause here) are in fact Both proto-type heads of the boss known as selph and here is what I wish to show as my speculation: now nothing is known of what selph is or how the boss fight would have been like but now consider this! what if selph was a boss that had two different versions of itself depending on weather eliot or claris were fighting "it". now think of this If selph was a boss fight what if selph was a mirror powered up version of a kind of "shadow nights boss fight" where the character model would show a seamless fusion of nights/eliot and nights/clairis. like imagine this if fighting self as clairis you fight a male selph that was a more masculine looking nights that looks simial to the evil fairy from the sonic shuffle game and as elliot you would fight a fiesty female nights that resembled the good female fairy helper from sonic shuffle and further more to even that what if the style and assets used on sonic shuffle were heavily using ideas and dropped concepts from sonic shuffle hense why sonic shuffle always felt like to me to use the nights into dreams aesthetic without and sight of context or reference... this might be something to consider and I ABSOLUTELY felt commelled to share this line of thinking with you and this may help solve some mysteries about trails of possible connections to finding out more about who and or what selph might have actually ended up being used in sonic shuffle for the dreamcast and no one but me has ever pondered such things. one last thing to point out as well just because said possible characters may not have any connection or reference to "selph" in name or file names what if that was intentionally in the devolpers minds to do that so as to steer away anyone from making this kind of discovery at all? think on it please and I would truly love to see my wild outlandish theory might even hold water and be the puzzle piece you were hoping for all along so please bring this up to whoever you think might be able to shine much needed light on this mystery. and thank you for reading this long convoluted comment. happy hunting!

  • @towerofpowerxxx
    @towerofpowerxxx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    With the team already having this much on their plates with 3 versions of the game, I can only hope that once things slow down they don't forget about the 2 other versions also produced on the Sega Saturn (that I know of): the Nights Sampler and, of course, the infamous Christmas Nights. And that's not even touching upon different region releases. They've certainly got their work cut out for them. Keep it up!

  • @mc.gemstone
    @mc.gemstone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The amount of unused content shows how much there was gonna be in this game. I had no idea there was this much hiding in the game. The lore is deep and vase within this game.

  • @WhiteCresentKnight
    @WhiteCresentKnight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My headcannon form for Sleph has always been that Seliph has no physical form and just copies other characters. But I am 100% READY to see Seliph~~

  • @gfdgdfgdfgdfggfdgdfgdfgdfg9709
    @gfdgdfgdfgdfggfdgdfgdfgdfg9709 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Has panzer dragoon been data mined? And panzer dragoon saga? Also I assume the sharp tooth nights model is used for a "cutscene" with reala wearing a fake head and costume of nights to scare the kids.

  • @aortaplatinum
    @aortaplatinum 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For some of this more confusing stuff, it might be good to straight up ask Naka and Ohshima themselves. Naka's very active on twitter and even liked a tweet I @ed him in asking if he was keeping up with the datamine. I just hope they actually remember everything, it HAS been nearly 30 years...

    • @KetrinDarkDragon
      @KetrinDarkDragon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This has been suggested to do several times already, but the datamining team decided that we should ask the developers only after we dig out every possible unused thing from the game

    • @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33
      @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@KetrinDarkDragon I agree on this 1, because I do remember watching some the cancelled Sonic Xtreme Game via TH-cam documentary and history videos about 1 of the programmers using the NIDS Saturn Game code for 1 of the Sonic Xtreme test build before and Yuji Naka who at the time was never tasked by SEGA for him and Sonic Team to create a SEGA Saturn Development Kit was furious at the said programmers for using it without permission ( supposedly due to the programmer not knowing that NIDS SEGA Saturn game code has some tight kind of copyright type of claim from Yuji Naka ).
      In short, yes we should be careful and a bit concerned as to how would Yuji Naka would react if he ever expressed it negatively which could unfortunately 1 of the worst case scenerios.

  • @themadmallard
    @themadmallard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i bet the blue door was the path to each boss in early game dev, open once all stage routes completed

  • @ouroboreas
    @ouroboreas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    it's crazy, i literally just started playing nights into dreams this week 👀

  • @MisteRRYouTuby
    @MisteRRYouTuby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This has been mind blowing!
    That said, any chance of a new Who Dat?

    • @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33
      @majixajinxix12chartdisplay33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Too bad there's no Who Dat "Sonic" episode but its understandable that many Sonic fans already made videos on who Sonic is though.
      I also wanna see the Who Dat Series to continue but let Digi Valentine decide on that himself.

  • @laing4045
    @laing4045 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Blue door to the selph boss, that’s what I thought after watching these videos and then hearing you say maybe the blue door gains the other texture upon activation conditions, you also said that the interview guy said there was planned story changing things with selph so it would make sense sort of right? A sort of end game portal to the final secret boss

  • @JudgementSkull
    @JudgementSkull 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:26 I literally got a Pokemon ad after that

  • @patriciathompson93
    @patriciathompson93 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I remember long ago when I was young I was playing Knight's and the grey screen came up but I had a picture of nights poking his tongue and pulling down eye had you in the screen I don't know if this is actually in the game My Mind could be playing tricks on me at the time but only if you know what I'm talking about

    • @GremmarYT
      @GremmarYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah that's one of the hints in the game. In my opinion, the model used in that picture seems to be the same wide head model that the teeth use.

    • @patriciathompson93
      @patriciathompson93 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GremmarYT I only saw that picture only once when I was fooling around with the game

  • @crunchy_wafers
    @crunchy_wafers 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Idk if you do "Who Dat" videos anymore, but I'd love to see one on Remy from SF 3rd Strike. He's underrated I find..

  • @Druckonfanta
    @Druckonfanta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like you need to live stream this

  • @Wolfcat22
    @Wolfcat22 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    12:27 I'll be honest idk anything about NiGHTS so this is probably completely irrelevant but the design on the door looks somewhat similar to the Flatwoods Monster with wings added onto it lol