zenoist2 Yes indeed. And before I became more interested in girls I spent all my time either building them or deciding which one to buy next. 58 years old now and I still have a fondness for those classic kits.
rlr50 Good stuff. I used to find airfix kits totally fascinating. Sanding down plastic where its not quite perfect , taking real care painting it etc, all good harmless fun.
I doubt there are many kids nowadays who would want to sit still long enough to build one of those wonderful plastic masterpieces. They're all too busy texting.
@@Wombat1916 Robert Shaw's character was loosely based on Sailor Malan, the S African ace. I saw an interview of him once, he said he didn't mind a German aircraft returning shot to pieces, it would let the bastards see what they are going to get the next time they come over.
Also there is one thing to mention. Also Salute and show respect to the Czech and Polish Pilots who fought in the Battle of Britain! Salute to you brave heroes!
John Small I went to a RC Grammar School in the 1960s. In the 6th form fully one quarter of my class were Polish. When I learned that the Polish forces were barred from the VE Victory Parade in London to avoid annoying the Russians I was disgusted.
@@Wombat1916 the movie actually shows some of the Polish fighters and squadrons. They even have a slightly humorous scene where one of the Polish Pilots that bailed out is confronted by some local farmers. When he addresses them with his broken English and heavy accent with good afternoon. Of course they think he's German and say good afternoon indeed, hands up, and march him off by pitchfork. At the end of the movie they show the many nationalities that helped the Raf in the Battle of Britain.
This scene was based on true events. According to several sources, in one of these "Stuka Attacks" (meant to create fear amongst civillians of course) the aerial battle took place over Portsmouth Harbour without fighter escort and were mauled by 54 Squadron who splashed 13 Stukas and who grandly gave "three kills" to Dover Ack Ack. After that, Stuka pilots (a supposed elite in the Luftwaffe) refused to take part in sorties over England unescorted, and later at all. The Me 110 crews followed suit as these were also "easy meat" to the fighters. (I cant remember which book I got this from but I think it was Len Deightons Battle of Britain or D.M. Crooks "Spitfire".)
The Stuka, Junkers Ju 87 was very vulnerable to fighters, the bit where the pilot says. "Its easier to hit than a barn door" and another "It's like shooting rats in a barrel," is accurate. The Ju 87 loses were so high in the early stages of the Battle of Britain that the Germans removed them from the battle and sent them elsewhere. It was not a matter of a refusal from the Stuka crews. The decision to remove the Stuka from the battle came from the high ups.
Ist Stuka rain on Weymouth/Portland. No British fighters, and an RN flakship sunk. Second raid. Spitfires from Warmwell, shot down an entire formation of Stukas. No more Stukas over UK after that.
@2:27- my favorite part of the scene. We go from the harsh abrasive Stuka engine sound (admittedly, probably not authentic) to the rich growling purr of the Spitfire's Merlin.
greenseaships 2:13 is my favourite shot in the film and probably one of my favourite shots from any I've seen. The gracefulness of the Spitfire as it slices across the frame... hnnngg.
greenseaships for starters that wasn't a stuka's Engine that made the sound it was the siren mounted on the fixed landing gears that truly made that sound.
I believe they used models for the Stukas in the film as there were no flying ones available. The models were blown up mid-flight with a small explosive charge.
The propeller sound used for the Stukas is the North American Harvard's two-bladed near-sonic buzz. Nothing like the sophisticated three-bladed constant-speed prop used on the Stuka. The diving howl sound is also anachronistic, as it had mostly been deleted by the Battle of Britain; it was distracting for the Stuka crews, added nothing, slowed the plane down even more and weighed too much.
The Ju 87 (the Stuka), a single-engined dive-bomber, was probably the easiest enemy aircraft in the war to shoot down because it dived straight and pulled up straight. This was a requirement of its special type of bombing. (Douglas Bader, Reach for the Sky)
This actually was the first "turkey shoot" scene for the Spitfires. And what easy targets for them! Simply a massacre in the true sense. A very memorable scene from a fantastic movie!
No wonder they ended up withdrawing the Stuka from the battle in the end. As an offensive weapon working with troops and with sufficient fighter cover, or no opposition, it was an aircraft to be feared, otherwise during the Bate of Britain, it was a lumbering juicy target.
The Stuka was a good dive bomber, and worked well in areas with no air defense. Totally vulnerable against fighters. Hitler over estimated their capability.
Sorry to spoil your day, but the USAF was not involved in the battle of Britain. As for the US pilots shooting down "thousands of Stukas", your dreaming. There were American volunteers (pilots) in the RAF, the highest scoring American "ace" in the battle of Britain was US Flight Lt. Davis with 6 German aircraft destroyed. The top US " fighter ace" in WW2 was Richard Bong with 40 Kills. The Top Luftwaffe "ace" Erich Hartmann alone had 352 Kills more than the top 10 USAF "aces" combined.
Rofl i love it at 1:38 where the 2 pilots are spazzing about the Stukas and Michael Caine says, "Roger, here we go, attacking now," in the most monotone of a voice.
The Stuka, Junkers Ju 87 was very vulnerable to fighters, the bit where the pilot says. "Its easier to hit than a barn door" and another "It's like shooting rats in a barrel," is accurate. The Ju 87 loses were so high in the early stages of the Battle of Britain that the Germans removed them from the battle and sent them elsewhere.
A much better plane was the Mosquito, it drove rear fear in the Germans, if any German pilot shot down a Mosquito they was awarded 2 kills, the Mosquito was faster and could slow down like the Hurricane could in battle, it could twist and turn quicker that a Spitfire could, it fly at higher altitude and was far more stable flying at ground level, The Mosquito was the first multi rule combat plane a true fighter bomber plane. Even the Japanese respected that plane and did not want to get tied up in a dog fight with one. Britian big error was not to trust the plane right away, it had to earn its respect for what it could do.
southerneruk The mosquito could not turn better than a spitfire at all. It was faster due to twin engines but made entirely out of wood making it susceptible to fire. It had an excellent armament but was very vulnerable to enemy planes which were more agile and higher up than the Mosquito. The spitfire had a high acceleration, high climb rate, one of the highest turn rates (if not the highest during its time) and had decent weaponry after the introduction of cannons to them. The spitfire was also a very fast plane and was the true saviour of the fight for the English Channel (alongside the Hurricane of course):
bermudarailway nah we’re just discussing the Spitfire here. The hurricane played in more parts of the war but the Spitfire was still the greatest in the sense that it was faster and more agile.
I think it was arguably worse in almost all other fronts. Naval- risk dying a slow death of drowning encased at the bottom of a giant metal ship sinking. Tank, super dark claustrophobic, super loud getting shot at constantly, poor ventilation. Infantry, get exposed to excessive amounts of flesh wounds and blood and blown up bodies. I guess the infantry had it best in terms of not having to worry about being stuck in a contraption and burning, but naval, and ground armor were much worse respectively I’d say.
Kinda agree Id much rather take my chances with a rifle and boots on the ground..many Brit pilots burned to death unable to move the canopy as the fuel tank exploded@@brennab2697
Another American here. I agree, huge respect to the RAF pilots for kicking the Luftwaffe’s ass! (On a sidenote, there were a few American pilots who fought in the battle of Britain, known as the Eagle squadron :)
Hello, another American here- I, too, am in awe of all the brave souls who fought in the Battle of Britain. They were standing up not only for themselves, but for all of the Free World. Had Great Britain fallen, Hitler would most likely have gained control of the North Atlantic, making the horror of Nazi world domination all too possible. So to those who fought with such courage and tenacity, wherever you may be now, if you can somehow know this, I say: thank you.
sending stukas on long range missions without escort was just stupid. they lacked speed, maneuverability, and protection. that one tail gunner could easily be flanked. it was target practice for the RAF
It was the first time they’d faced a well-equipped and well-organised Air Force. It soon became apparent that unescorted bombers couldn’t live with modern fighter aircraft. It was a lesson the Americans were to learn also, later in the war.
Some of the major successes the Luftwaffe had in the BoB was by Schnellkampfgeschwader 210 (originally Eprobungsgruppe 210.) who were originally a development squadron for the Me210 heavy fighter, but moved on to developing fighter bomber tactics, fitting Bf109 and 110s with bombs. In fact Epro 210 largely replaced the Stukas after their mauling.
@Denise Bond Since the mid 17th century with a small break in the 19th century to the end of WW2 English foreign policy with regard to Europe was focused on stopping one country becoming pre-eminent. With that in mind the wars against France and Germany make more sense, I hope.
Stephen Salt The 190 was easily outturnable and wasn’t quite so fast in comparison to the spitfire Mk IX. The 190 was very fast but couldn’t manoeuvre well and was more suited to ground strikes or heavy fighters.
@@kaczynskis5721 In a dogfight you may only get fleeing seconds to shoot, so the RAF put 8 machine guns in their fighters to make the most of those times. The Stuka had just 2 forward firing machine guns. All the Luftwaffes twin-engined bombers were faster, making the Stuka the slowest plane in the battle. How could a plane like that have any capacity to dogfight? I seriously doubt a Stuka pilot could get close enough for long enough to really damage a Hurricane or Spitfire.
Stukas were fabulous dive bombers by any standard. Like any airplane flying in the 30s, they were obsolete before the end of the war. Me109s were a match for that Spitfire model and better than a Hurricane. And Britain bombed Berlin first. Ooops. But switching bomber focus from Britain's airfields to cities caused the invasion of Britain to be cancelled ultimately. The German were winning the Battle of Britain until then.
Its like shooting barrel😂. RAF makes a mince meat of Stukas in the starting combat dogfight scene in this movie. God bless RAF. Respects from India n Indian Air Force.
Thanks, supatipanno. This film makes out that the Stukas are rubbish and that Englishmen were never afraid of them. My father said that when he heard a Stuka attacking, he thought it had a personal bomb, just for him.
You're not the best in history, right? -.- The Jews.. The Indians in 1775, the dead throught Stalin and more.. Germany isnt the worst but the most prominent.. And Yes I'm german and YES im proud to be a german..
Hitler never wanted to fight the English, he'd fought against us during W.W.1 and was well aware of our determination and fighting spirit. His armaments minister Albert Speer, later recalled that the bravery and determination of the British forces had won Hitler’s respect,. Though he would make fun of the peculiarities of the British army. He claimed, ironically, that the English were in the habit of stopping their artillery barrages at tea time, so that he could run his errands safely at that hour. Hitler clearly had considerable respect for England. Once he became Germany’s dictator, he continually tried to conclude an alliance, or at least some form of understanding with Britain. If I had a choice between Italy and England, he told another courtier in 1936, I would naturally go with the English. I know the Englishmen from the last war, they are hard fellows.
This scene was one of the few not filmed with actual aircraft but rather models as by the time the movie was made an operational Stuka couldn't be found.
Quite often the escorting 109s managed to successfully break up the attacks on the Stukas, especially during the "Kanalkampf" when they did not suffer from range issues
Being 'over a barrel' or 'it's your turn in the barrel' was a dirty joke that began with ship's crews long ago, but does not seem to have survived to the present. Parallel's the expression; 'it's all right if you've been ninety days at sea'.
@@PedroPerez-vk2tm I had always wondered what the R.A.F's plan was in the Kanalkampf part of the battle, Raids on Convoys with huge numbers of escort fighters, seem to me it wasn't worth it, given the bomber to fighter ratio.
@Pardo217Patrick The Me 109 was better armed (both cannons and machine-guns) during the Battle, but less maneuverable. Pity that they left out the scenes with more than 5-6 Spitfires in the finished movie, since they had filmed several scenes with 9-10 Spits (a couple were 2-seaters and 3 had Griffon-engines, bigger spinners and larger fins (Mark XIV and XIX), but not very many viewers had noticed that if they just passed by on the screen).
Of course but the Hurricane was tasked to destroy the bombers, whereas the Spitfires were to attack the German fighter escort, a much more formidable opponent.
Heinz Migeod, Stuka pilot, has a lengthy and very interesting chat on YT about his experiences including the Battle of Britain. He feared the Hurricane far more than the Spitfire. He said that the Hurricane could partially deploy it’s landing flaps and slow down to match the Stuka’s low speed, and engage. The Spitfire went past in a flash and, similar to the Komet when it attacked allied bombers, the pilot had very little time to fire due to the disparity in speed. The Stuka had two machine guns for the pilot and often two weapons for the rear gunner. They operated, says Migeod, in flights of five aircraft which gave considerable defensive power, especially aft; ten heavy machine guns could be deployed against one fighter simultaneously.
Stukas! Damn, if we only had some sort of early warning radar RDF Chain Home system so we wouldn't be so surprised....ummm....wait a minute......we do...right here...
What isn't know and still is ignored is that radar at that time had major limitations it could tell you that someone was coming but it could not tell how many,how height or intended targets! War isn't a game or a movie it's a very muddled affair sometimes,in fact most times !
Roy Perkins it did tell you how many. I watched a documentary on it and the women who worked behind the scenes controlling aircraft and watching for aircraft over the radio towers said during the blitz they saw 10 planes, then 20, then 30, then 40, then 50 etc on the radar screens. They didn’t need to know the targets, they knew they were Germans. They would only ever have to make sure they weren’t British planes if they had sent a squadron in the air.
2:14-2:16 is, as far as I am concerned, the single most beautiful two seconds of footage ever recorded for a movie. I would sell everything I own to have a Spitfire.
@am True but the German fighters had a very short time over the UK whereas the RAF had all the time it needed. British Pilots bailed out over the UK and were able to go back up, not so German. Further German morale quickly suffered. Even if they had destroyed the southern airfields it is by no means certain that the German could have been victorious.
Lol, a dive-bomber vs a fighter, thats never a fair battle. The Me 109 on the other hand, equalled the Spitfire, the Focke Wulf Fw 190 even was superior to the Spitfire, just like the Me 262:P But the Spitfire was an awesome plane nontheless, I hope to fly one one day:D
el stuka no fue diseñado para combater aereo (peleas de perros), fue diseñado para bombardeo en picada, para su epoca era muy eficaz, dado a que daba en el blanco en una forma muy convencional
My aunt Betty flew spitfire during the war to young airmen around Britain she was attacked she went into a dive doing a barrel roll as she went down another spitfire came up and took him out it was flown by a young polish boy she went on her way and got it to the airfield she died aged 92 from dementia
@YDDES Thanks! I'd heard about them, but never really found out too much more, that's good info. And the bit about the Me110's is higly fascinating; I don't know if it's better that they omitted them or not, but I suppose it would have been another level of authenticity to the North Sea intercept sequence. In 'Piece of Cake', when confronted with Hurricanes, the 110 squadrons adopt a circular formation and cover each other's sixes, making them pointless escorts. Is this truth or myth?
The 'Lufbery Circle' (US name) has been referenced from WWI to Battlestar Galactica. It was briefly used by British D.H.2 fighters as they only had a single forward-facing gun and were too slow to break off from a fight. It's intended to enable someone to shoot at any plane attacking the plane in front of him. It was obsolete by the middle of WWI, was often mentioned in later books as a magically-successful idea, yet remained constantly a failed tactic, rather like a bayonet charge into machine guns.
Hmm, I wouldn't for a moment call the French cowards, considering they have one of the most efficient armed forces in the world, with a reasonably substantial nuclear arsenal
My favorite part of the movie is when that jerry bloke turns and screams "SPITFIRE!"...an all too common phrase over the cliffs of Dover. German pilots, fear the Spitfire, and fear the mullet.
Two other factors played a major role. 1) the battle was fought above the UK, so if a Allied pilot would bail out, he could fight again, a german pilot in that case would be a POW. 2) Germany stopped bombing airfields and started boming London. A massive mistake considering the fact the RAF was on the edge of breaking. Based on qualities, the spitfire was slightly (very slightly) better then the ME, especially on lower altitudes.
1 thing that would of been good in this film is if they included no.19 squadron which were equipped with 2 20mm cannons which were used to counter the junker 87's tough extra armor that was used to stop the 303. rounds from penetrating after heavy losses. Ive always loved the spitfire. the sound of that engine, the shape, how it looks as it soars through the air. its still the best plane in the world by far.
Some years ago I saw a documentary on TV, about a man who built a big RC Stuka model, with detailed interior and all. It took him weeks or months. Then, at he first flight, it crashed and was completely destroyed...
The Germans both underestimated the strength of the RAF in raw fighter numbers, and failed to appreciate Britain's capacity to replace her losses - British fighter production, at the height of the conflict, out-pacing Germany's four-to-one.
My father told me similar stories when attacked by Stuka's in that they were easy to shoot down when committed to their dive and couldnt pull out so the trick was for his platoon to open up with their captured MG 42's at them and shoot them down. Terrifying sound though he told me.
I saw this movie in 1975 in Bellville Cape Town, it was a mere 30 years after WW ll, and as a young candidate officer I had an intense interest in all things WW ll, but because of the silence of those who were there, it seemed like it happened 3 lifetimes ago. Only now do I understand why they would not talk about it. Sometimes even the good memories bring their own kind of hurt, remembering those who were there, and then they suddenly weren't.
The Ju-87 Stuka (1935 design) was a slow aircraft in level flight and quickly shown to be poor in comparison to newer aircraft when the war started. The Germans removed it from service in early 1944.
If an antigravity propelled aircraft Doesn't produce noise, than we put the same "Siren" to know your coming, even a siren can be an electric generated for more power.
And as an afterthought, the man who replaced Park should have been courtmartialed. 12 Group's commander, Leigh Mallory was supposed to protect Park's 11 Group's aerodromes while the 11 Group fighters were airborne. They never did because Mallory wanted to form his " big wings " which was impossible to do with any effect during the battle. But Mallory was a smooth talker and Park was just too straight forward. So after Park saved England, England told him to go to hell. Damned shame.
3:03 "It's like shooting rats in a barrel"... is that like killing a fish in a trap? Someone should have said "Viel Glück, chaps" to that man before he got into his plane. His imperfect command of English idiom shows he is obviously a spy!
Finally, a word understood in all languages:
"SPEETFAYA!!!"
So the radar the jerrys were bombing wasn't operational?
actually he says "Spitzfeuer" the german nickname for the Spitfire. :)
Is that a eurobeat reference?
SPITFEUER!!!
@@liamweaver2944 "Spitzfeuer" :D
Did anyone besides me used to build model planes airfix kits as a kid?
I thought they were the best things on the planet at the time lol :)
I did, because of that film. Moslty german and british ww2 planes. I still have them!
zenoist2 Yes indeed. And before I became more interested in girls I spent all my time either building them or deciding which one to buy next. 58 years old now and I still have a fondness for those classic kits.
rlr50 Good stuff. I used to find airfix kits totally fascinating.
Sanding down plastic where its not quite perfect , taking real care painting it etc, all good harmless fun.
I doubt there are many kids nowadays who would want to sit still long enough to build one of those wonderful plastic masterpieces. They're all too busy texting.
zenoist2 I did they where high quality models with rivets
I love the English going into attack "Roger. Here we go. Attacking now"
Michael Caine adopted Sqn. Ldr. (later Wing Commander)Tuck's almost monotone intercom voice for the film.
@@Wombat1916 Robert Shaw's character was loosely based on Sailor Malan, the S African ace. I saw an interview of him once, he said he didn't mind a German aircraft returning shot to pieces, it would let the bastards see what they are going to get the next time they come over.
@@Wombat1916 All Flight Leaders had to talk like that, so they are loud and clear to control for reports etc.
England ist Scheiße.Können nur Bomben werfen und wegrennen.
He talks like he’s on a quiet stroll in the woods. Good leadership, it would’ve helped keep the lads calm.
Also there is one thing to mention. Also Salute and show respect to the Czech and Polish Pilots who fought in the Battle of Britain! Salute to you brave heroes!
John Small I went to a RC Grammar School in the 1960s. In the 6th form fully one quarter of my class were Polish. When I learned that the Polish forces were barred from the VE Victory Parade in London to avoid annoying the Russians I was disgusted.
@@Wombat1916 the movie actually shows some of the Polish fighters and squadrons. They even have a slightly humorous scene where one of the Polish Pilots that bailed out is confronted by some local farmers. When he addresses them with his broken English and heavy accent with good afternoon. Of course they think he's German and say good afternoon indeed, hands up, and march him off by pitchfork.
At the end of the movie they show the many nationalities that helped the Raf in the Battle of Britain.
@@hillsane9262 I saw the film a few days after its première. I have it on DVD. I have seen the scenes you mention.
It wasn't just Brits, Poles, or Czechs, there were a lot more than nationalities than that in the RAF.
@@manofwar577 At the end of the film, there is a list of the nationalities in Fighter Command during the battle and how many were lost.
This scene was based on true events. According to several sources, in one of these "Stuka Attacks" (meant to create fear amongst civillians of course) the aerial battle took place over Portsmouth Harbour without fighter escort and were mauled by 54 Squadron who splashed 13 Stukas and who grandly gave "three kills" to Dover Ack Ack. After that, Stuka pilots (a supposed elite in the Luftwaffe) refused to take part in sorties over England unescorted, and later at all. The Me 110 crews followed suit as these were also "easy meat" to the fighters. (I cant remember which book I got this from but I think it was Len Deightons Battle of Britain or D.M. Crooks "Spitfire".)
Must have been quite a battle to get Portsmouth and Dover in on it.
The Stuka, Junkers Ju 87 was very vulnerable to fighters, the bit where the pilot says. "Its easier to hit than a barn door" and another "It's like shooting rats in a barrel," is accurate. The Ju 87 loses were so high in the early stages of the Battle of Britain that the Germans removed them from the battle and sent them elsewhere. It was not a matter of a refusal from the Stuka crews. The decision to remove the Stuka from the battle came from the high ups.
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Ist Stuka rain on Weymouth/Portland. No British fighters, and an RN flakship sunk.
Second raid. Spitfires from Warmwell, shot down an entire formation of Stukas.
No more Stukas over UK after that.
@@colinwhyte1526 Indeed.
yes the Merlin engine is the best sounding engine ever!
"You're only supposed to blow the bloody wings off"
Keep your eyes...
@2:27- my favorite part of the scene. We go from the harsh abrasive Stuka engine sound (admittedly, probably not authentic) to the rich growling purr of the Spitfire's Merlin.
greenseaships 2:13 is my favourite shot in the film and probably one of my favourite shots from any I've seen. The gracefulness of the Spitfire as it slices across the frame... hnnngg.
greenseaships for starters that wasn't a stuka's Engine that made the sound it was the siren mounted on the fixed landing gears that truly made that sound.
I believe they used models for the Stukas in the film as there were no flying ones available. The models were blown up mid-flight with a small explosive charge.
The propeller sound used for the Stukas is the North American Harvard's two-bladed near-sonic buzz.
Nothing like the sophisticated three-bladed constant-speed prop used on the Stuka.
The diving howl sound is also anachronistic, as it had mostly been deleted by the Battle of Britain; it was distracting for the Stuka crews, added nothing, slowed the plane down even more and weighed too much.
The Ju 87 (the Stuka), a single-engined dive-bomber, was probably the easiest enemy aircraft in the war to shoot down because it dived straight and pulled up straight. This was a requirement of its special type of bombing. (Douglas Bader, Reach for the Sky)
This actually was the first "turkey shoot" scene for the Spitfires. And what easy targets for them! Simply a massacre in the true sense. A very memorable scene from a fantastic movie!
No wonder they ended up withdrawing the Stuka from the battle in the end. As an offensive weapon working with troops and with sufficient fighter cover, or no opposition, it was an aircraft to be feared, otherwise during the Bate of Britain, it was a lumbering juicy target.
@@commandingjudgedredd1841 The Stuka looks like it might have been a fun plane to fly... with no one shooting at you, of course...
The Stuka was a good dive bomber, and worked well in areas with no air defense. Totally vulnerable against fighters. Hitler over estimated their capability.
For all its terrifying effects, the Stuka was highly vulnerable to fighters, and was known to its pilots as the flying coffin.
The Junkers was a dive bomber, not an interceptor.
Have respect to the Stukas
Why they didn't respect the people they were trying to kill!@@cy1841
Rudel did very well in them. In fact, he was a one man airforce in them.
And the rolls Royce merlin engine of a spitfire has to be one of the most beautiful engine sounds on this planet its absolutely amazing to hear
I love the roar of those merlin engines
Sorry to spoil your day, but the USAF was not involved in the battle of Britain. As for the US pilots shooting down "thousands of Stukas", your dreaming. There were American volunteers (pilots) in the RAF, the highest scoring American "ace" in the battle of Britain was US Flight Lt. Davis with 6 German aircraft destroyed. The top US " fighter ace" in WW2 was Richard Bong with 40 Kills. The Top Luftwaffe "ace" Erich Hartmann alone had 352 Kills more than the top 10 USAF "aces" combined.
when you hear merlin growl, he needs feeding stuka meat
Rofl i love it at 1:38 where the 2 pilots are spazzing about the Stukas and Michael Caine says, "Roger, here we go, attacking now," in the most monotone of a voice.
Alfred stays calm!! haha
its probably the most British thing he could have said lol
The Stuka, Junkers Ju 87 was very vulnerable to fighters, the bit where the pilot says. "Its easier to hit than a barn door" and another "It's like shooting rats in a barrel," is accurate. The Ju 87 loses were so high in the early stages of the Battle of Britain that the Germans removed them from the battle and sent them elsewhere.
Yes, they lasted only 10 days.
Spitfire. One of the greatest fighters ever built.
A much better plane was the Mosquito, it drove rear fear in the Germans, if any German pilot shot down a Mosquito they was awarded 2 kills, the Mosquito was faster and could slow down like the Hurricane could in battle, it could twist and turn quicker that a Spitfire could, it fly at higher altitude and was far more stable flying at ground level, The Mosquito was the first multi rule combat plane a true fighter bomber plane.
Even the Japanese respected that plane and did not want to get tied up in a dog fight with one. Britian big error was not to trust the plane right away, it had to earn its respect for what it could do.
The most outstanding aircraft of WW2.
southerneruk The mosquito could not turn better than a spitfire at all. It was faster due to twin engines but made entirely out of wood making it susceptible to fire. It had an excellent armament but was very vulnerable to enemy planes which were more agile and higher up than the Mosquito. The spitfire had a high acceleration, high climb rate, one of the highest turn rates (if not the highest during its time) and had decent weaponry after the introduction of cannons to them. The spitfire was also a very fast plane and was the true saviour of the fight for the English Channel (alongside the Hurricane of course):
Once again everybody forgets about the Hurricane.
bermudarailway nah we’re just discussing the Spitfire here. The hurricane played in more parts of the war but the Spitfire was still the greatest in the sense that it was faster and more agile.
God, imagine being trapped in one of those planes, going down. Must have been horrible.
I think it was arguably worse in almost all other fronts. Naval- risk dying a slow death of drowning encased at the bottom of a giant metal ship sinking. Tank, super dark claustrophobic, super loud getting shot at constantly, poor ventilation. Infantry, get exposed to excessive amounts of flesh wounds and blood and blown up bodies. I guess the infantry had it best in terms of not having to worry about being stuck in a contraption and burning, but naval, and ground armor were much worse respectively I’d say.
Kinda agree Id much rather take my chances with a rifle and boots on the ground..many Brit pilots burned to death unable to move the canopy as the fuel tank exploded@@brennab2697
I admire Britain for standing up for herself. And yes, I'm American.
Wow finally a real Allied friendship.
Another American here. I agree, huge respect to the RAF pilots for kicking the Luftwaffe’s ass! (On a sidenote, there were a few American pilots who fought in the battle of Britain, known as the Eagle squadron :)
Hello, another American here- I, too, am in awe of all the brave souls who fought in the Battle of Britain. They were standing up not only for themselves, but for all of the Free World. Had Great Britain fallen, Hitler would most likely have gained control of the North Atlantic, making the horror of Nazi world domination all too possible. So to those who fought with such courage and tenacity, wherever you may be now, if you can somehow know this, I say: thank you.
3:37 oh, scheiße...
love the sounds of the spitty's
God Bless the Royal Air Force. Thank you so fucking much!!
+Maurice B'stard Hey Buddy you've abandon us on the A Bridge Too Far Theme, and OY my dad was in the RAF
Heroes x
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Can't compare a Stuka to a fighter as a Stuka was a dive bomber and that's it.
sending stukas on long range missions without escort was just stupid. they lacked speed, maneuverability, and protection. that one tail gunner could easily be flanked. it was target practice for the RAF
It was the first time they’d faced a well-equipped and well-organised Air Force. It soon became apparent that unescorted bombers couldn’t live with modern fighter aircraft. It was a lesson the Americans were to learn also, later in the war.
Joshua Plotkin wasn’t really long range. It was across the channel to bomb some radio towers in (possibly) Dover.
Stuka is a dive bomber...spit ..is a fighter... Compare it to a 190
Some of the major successes the Luftwaffe had in the BoB was by Schnellkampfgeschwader 210 (originally Eprobungsgruppe 210.) who were originally a development squadron for the Me210 heavy fighter, but moved on to developing fighter bomber tactics, fitting Bf109 and 110s with bombs. In fact Epro 210 largely replaced the Stukas after their mauling.
@Denise Bond Since the mid 17th century with a small break in the 19th century to the end of WW2 English foreign policy with regard to Europe was focused on stopping one country becoming pre-eminent.
With that in mind the wars against France and Germany make more sense, I hope.
Stephen Salt The 190 was easily outturnable and wasn’t quite so fast in comparison to the spitfire Mk IX. The 190 was very fast but couldn’t manoeuvre well and was more suited to ground strikes or heavy fighters.
The Stuka had some capacity to dogfight with enemy fighters but it was slower than them and relatively easy to shoot down, as shown in the film.
@@kaczynskis5721 In a dogfight you may only get fleeing seconds to shoot, so the RAF put 8 machine guns in their fighters to make the most of those times. The Stuka had just 2 forward firing machine guns. All the Luftwaffes twin-engined bombers were faster, making the Stuka the slowest plane in the battle. How could a plane like that have any capacity to dogfight? I seriously doubt a Stuka pilot could get close enough for long enough to really damage a Hurricane or Spitfire.
The part when the Spits break formation for the attack...
I could watch that little part over and over - I get chills.
Stukas were fabulous dive bombers by any standard. Like any airplane flying in the 30s, they were obsolete before the end of the war.
Me109s were a match for that Spitfire model and better than a Hurricane.
And Britain bombed Berlin first. Ooops.
But switching bomber focus from Britain's airfields to cities caused the invasion of Britain to be cancelled ultimately. The German were winning the Battle of Britain until then.
Thank you so much english people for the help in greece and crete 1941 from a cretan best wishes to you
i hate this video i want stuka vs p51 mustang and hurricane mk.1
Its like shooting barrel😂. RAF makes a mince meat of Stukas in the starting combat dogfight scene in this movie. God bless RAF. Respects from India n Indian Air Force.
Thanks, supatipanno. This film makes out that the Stukas are rubbish and that Englishmen were never afraid of them. My father said that when he heard a Stuka attacking, he thought it had a personal bomb, just for him.
What a battle it was: The Battle of Britain
You're not the best in history, right? -.- The Jews.. The Indians in 1775, the dead throught Stalin and more.. Germany isnt the worst but the most prominent.. And Yes I'm german and YES im proud to be a german..
One very unrealitic thing in this sequence: None of the Stuka rear gunners fire a single shot to defend themselves...
If the stuka is manoeuvring you're not going to be able to aim let alone lift that gun up.
They were not ever attacked from that angle, the rear turret did not swivel
Imagine the fear of being too low to jump out of the plane and seeing the ground rapidly approaching
Can totally see how this (and just WWII air tactics in general) influenced the Star Wars dogfights...
@Harry Lagom Death Star attack was inspired by 633 Squadron
@@tjoonatv2848 Have you seen this? th-cam.com/video/4OZq-tlJTrU/w-d-xo.html
@@tjoonatv2848 I think you mean 617 Squadron (The Dambusters). 633 Squadron was fictional.
yeah, this why star wars fighters still bank to change direction...even in space🤯
Hitler never wanted to fight the English, he'd fought against us during W.W.1 and was well aware of our determination and fighting spirit. His armaments minister Albert Speer, later recalled that the bravery and determination of the British forces had won Hitler’s respect,. Though he would make fun of the peculiarities of the British army. He claimed, ironically, that the English were in the habit of stopping their artillery barrages at tea time, so that he could run his errands safely at that hour. Hitler clearly had considerable respect for England.
Once he became Germany’s dictator, he continually tried to conclude an alliance, or at least some form of understanding with Britain. If I had a choice between Italy and England, he told another courtier in 1936, I would naturally go with the English. I know the Englishmen from the last war, they are hard fellows.
Die Engländer und die Deutschen sind aus dem gleichen Holz geschnitzt !
1.46 Absolute CLASSIC WING OVER, best iconic British film scene - defending our green & pleasant against the dirty Boche!
@RattytheSecond The Spitfire Mk.24s served until the late 1950s. One of the aircrafts with greatest upgrade potential.
Great scene from a great movie.
Stuka was useless without air superiority. The Luftwaffe came nowhere near during The Battle of Britain. Per Ardua ad Astra!!
0:12..LOL. "Shtukass"
This scene was one of the few not filmed with actual aircraft but rather models as by the time the movie was made an operational Stuka couldn't be found.
Overdue for a good remake. A tale worth telling to a new generation of Britons while we still have a Briton to be proud of.
+Hereticalable yes you fought for the wrong cause
PLEASE NEVER REMAKE THIS FILM. it would be all CGI...
Hereticalable I don't agree with you but I believe Churchill -or maybe it was an american general, said that they wanted to keep on pushing east.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable
Hereticalable it's a shame really
"You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters". That phrase has stuck with me for ever for some reason.
Quite often the escorting 109s managed to successfully break up the attacks on the Stukas, especially during the "Kanalkampf" when they did not suffer from range issues
Being 'over a barrel' or 'it's your turn in the barrel' was a dirty joke that began with ship's crews long ago, but does not seem to have survived to the present.
Parallel's the expression; 'it's all right if you've been ninety days at sea'.
@@PedroPerez-vk2tm I had always wondered what the R.A.F's plan was in the Kanalkampf part of the battle, Raids on Convoys with huge numbers of escort fighters, seem to me it wasn't worth it, given the bomber to fighter ratio.
@Pardo217Patrick The Me 109 was better armed (both cannons and machine-guns) during the Battle, but less maneuverable. Pity that they left out the scenes with more than 5-6 Spitfires in the finished movie, since they had filmed several scenes with 9-10 Spits (a couple were 2-seaters and 3 had Griffon-engines, bigger spinners and larger fins (Mark XIV and XIX), but not very many viewers had noticed that if they just passed by on the screen).
Stuka - could not survive the Spitfire.
Otis Brown
Stuka-dive bomber
Spitfire-fighter
=uneven comparison
The Hurricane actually downed more planes than the spitfire from one who was around then !!
there were more Hurricanes than Spitfire in the B of B and may be that had something to with that
Of course but the Hurricane was tasked to destroy the bombers, whereas the Spitfires were to attack the German fighter escort, a much more formidable opponent.
Heinz Migeod, Stuka pilot, has a lengthy and very interesting chat on YT about his experiences including the Battle of Britain. He feared the Hurricane far more than the Spitfire. He said that the Hurricane could partially deploy it’s landing flaps and slow down to match the Stuka’s low speed, and engage. The Spitfire went past in a flash and, similar to the Komet when it attacked allied bombers, the pilot had very little time to fire due to the disparity in speed. The Stuka had two machine guns for the pilot and often two weapons for the rear gunner. They operated, says Migeod, in flights of five aircraft which gave considerable defensive power, especially aft; ten heavy machine guns could be deployed against one fighter simultaneously.
I can hear the German pilot saying in English as SPITFIRE
Stukas! Damn, if we only had some sort of early warning radar RDF Chain Home system so we wouldn't be so surprised....ummm....wait a minute......we do...right here...
What isn't know and still is ignored is that radar at that time had major limitations it could tell you that someone was coming but it could not tell how many,how height or intended targets! War isn't a game or a movie it's a very muddled affair sometimes,in fact most times !
Roy Perkins it did tell you how many. I watched a documentary on it and the women who worked behind the scenes controlling aircraft and watching for aircraft over the radio towers said during the blitz they saw 10 planes, then 20, then 30, then 40, then 50 etc on the radar screens. They didn’t need to know the targets, they knew they were Germans. They would only ever have to make sure they weren’t British planes if they had sent a squadron in the air.
There’s a white cliff of dover based on the song dame Vera Lynn
Those peel-offs at 1;46 & 1;55 are enough to give you goosebumps.
I love the terrible sound effects of the Stukas. It was actually called the trumpet of Jericho. British Spitfires shot them down in numerous amount.
2:14-2:16 is, as far as I am concerned, the single most beautiful two seconds of footage ever recorded for a movie. I would sell everything I own to have a Spitfire.
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True but the German fighters had a very short time over the UK whereas the RAF had all the time it needed.
British Pilots bailed out over the UK and were able to go back up, not so German.
Further German morale quickly suffered.
Even if they had destroyed the southern airfields it is by no means certain that the German could have been victorious.
"spitfire" aka we are fucked
Lol, a dive-bomber vs a fighter, thats never a fair battle. The Me 109 on the other hand, equalled the Spitfire, the Focke Wulf Fw 190 even was superior to the Spitfire, just like the Me 262:P
But the Spitfire was an awesome plane nontheless, I hope to fly one one day:D
el stuka no fue diseñado para combater aereo (peleas de perros), fue diseñado para bombardeo en picada, para su epoca era muy eficaz, dado a que daba en el blanco en una forma muy convencional
My aunt Betty flew spitfire during the war to young airmen around Britain she was attacked she went into a dive doing a barrel roll as she went down another spitfire came up and took him out it was flown by a young polish boy she went on her way and got it to the airfield she died aged 92 from dementia
"Spitfire!!! We're PWONED!"
This is unfair! This big, fast and dangerous Spitfires fights again these small, slow and radio-controlled Junkers Ju 87B's .... unfair! :o)
@YDDES Thanks! I'd heard about them, but never really found out too much more, that's good info.
And the bit about the Me110's is higly fascinating; I don't know if it's better that they omitted them or not, but I suppose it would have been another level of authenticity to the North Sea intercept sequence. In 'Piece of Cake', when confronted with Hurricanes, the 110 squadrons adopt a circular formation and cover each other's sixes, making them pointless escorts. Is this truth or myth?
Its true. Its in several of the books written by fighter pilots.
The 'Lufbery Circle' (US name) has been referenced from WWI to Battlestar Galactica.
It was briefly used by British D.H.2 fighters as they only had a single forward-facing gun and were too slow to break off from a fight.
It's intended to enable someone to shoot at any plane attacking the plane in front of him.
It was obsolete by the middle of WWI, was often mentioned in later books as a magically-successful idea, yet remained constantly a failed tactic, rather like a bayonet charge into machine guns.
Quite a few radio controlled aircraft were harmed during this film.
Brilliant film though
Stuka vs Spitfire? No contest. Easy meat for the Spitfire pilots.
the kill ratios could have been higher if the spitfires and hurricanes had bigger caliber machine guns
*Sees all those stukas*
Me:0_0
Classic: the geezer with his bicycle, birds singing, then the shed being bombed!! 😂
2:04 SPITFIRE!
Stukas were sitting ducks for Spitfires.
Hmm, I wouldn't for a moment call the French cowards, considering they have one of the most efficient armed forces in the world, with a reasonably substantial nuclear arsenal
I'd just love to have one of those model Stuka's!
Im getting a model stuka
They were all blown up.
Too slow...they have to do it in two. Yeap that's British.
My favorite part of the movie is when that jerry bloke turns and screams "SPITFIRE!"...an all too common phrase over the cliffs of Dover. German pilots, fear the Spitfire, and fear the mullet.
Two other factors played a major role.
1) the battle was fought above the UK, so if a Allied pilot would bail out, he could fight again, a german pilot in that case would be a POW.
2) Germany stopped bombing airfields and started boming London. A massive mistake considering the fact the RAF was on the edge of breaking.
Based on qualities, the spitfire was slightly (very slightly) better then the ME, especially on lower altitudes.
Huh anyone else think they should re-make this?
no
Nah. The CGI would be awful, and all the combat maneuvers are historical along with the tactics. To-day It will be over glorified and awful
Brendan Raistrick
....and is it just me, or do they overdub motorcycle and racing car engine sounds over that of the merlin?
NO! Absolutely not! All this film would be is a CGI/green screen nightmare
Stukas were dive-bombers, they were not meant for dogfighting planes as agile as the Spit!
03:41 Stukas won, they got to drop their bombs
+Lars Agerbæk Stuka's were hammered so much during the battle of Britain that the Luftwaffe took them out of the theatre altogether.
winchuni22 it was a comment on this video -not the battle of Britain
Lars Agerbæk This video is about the Battle of Britain.
winchuni22 yes and in this specifik instance, the Stukas succeded in destroying their target
Lars Agerbæk You're totally missing the point. I give up.
1 thing that would of been good in this film is if they included no.19 squadron which were equipped with 2 20mm cannons which were used to counter the junker 87's tough extra armor that was used to stop the 303. rounds from penetrating after heavy losses. Ive always loved the spitfire. the sound of that engine, the shape, how it looks as it soars through the air. its still the best plane in the world by far.
TERROR, ;-.((
Me gusta porque salen mis dos aviones favoritos y mi país gana
Some years ago I saw a documentary on TV, about a man who built a big RC Stuka model, with detailed interior and all. It took him weeks or months. Then, at he first flight, it crashed and was completely destroyed...
The Germans both underestimated the strength of the RAF in raw fighter numbers, and failed to appreciate Britain's capacity to replace her losses - British fighter production, at the height of the conflict, out-pacing Germany's four-to-one.
My father told me similar stories when attacked by Stuka's in that they were easy to shoot down when committed to their dive and couldnt pull out so the trick was for his platoon to open up with their captured MG 42's at them and shoot them down. Terrifying sound though he told me.
I saw this movie in 1975 in Bellville Cape Town, it was a mere 30 years after WW ll, and as a young candidate officer I had an intense interest in all things WW ll, but because of the silence of those who were there, it seemed like it happened 3 lifetimes ago. Only now do I understand why they would not talk about it. Sometimes even the good memories bring their own kind of hurt, remembering those who were there, and then they suddenly weren't.
The Ju-87 Stuka (1935 design) was a slow aircraft in level flight and quickly shown to be poor in comparison to newer aircraft when the war started. The Germans removed it from service in early 1944.
I love the English going into attack "Roger. Here we go. Attacking now"
GREAT sound engine MERLIN V 12...GREAT airplane SPITFIRE!
Valiant fighters and awesome technology from both sides.
If an antigravity propelled aircraft Doesn't produce noise, than we put the same "Siren" to know your coming, even a siren can be an electric generated for more power.
Germany found metal whistles on the Stukas. Worked just fine. It certainly panicked horses pulling wagons. And small artillery in France.
So that's where the war thunder mission is from...
And as an afterthought, the man who replaced Park should have been courtmartialed. 12 Group's commander, Leigh Mallory was supposed to protect Park's 11 Group's aerodromes while the 11 Group fighters were airborne. They never did because Mallory wanted to form his " big wings " which was impossible to do with any effect during the battle. But Mallory was a smooth talker and Park was just too straight forward. So after Park saved England, England told him to go to hell. Damned shame.
Man, the sound of that Merlin as the Spitfire banks across the screen is pure sex. No wonder it went on to become an icon towards us Brits.
This is a battle between Kitten from Teen Titans (Which are the Stukas) and Serena from Pokemon XY and XYZ (Which in my opinion are the Spitfires).
Sorry, what is your comparison?
Uhh...
the brits shouted "shtukas" and the germans shouted "shpitfires"......
Holy shit, Caine defends us from stukas and zulus. Both of them together would be a hell of a movie
Given it's severe disadvantage in air to air combat, I'd think much was expected of the Stuka's rear gunner.
They, like the rear gunners on the Messerschmitt Bf-110, were highly trained, considered an elite within the Luftwaffe, and were in the worst job.
'You're only supposed to blow the bloody wings off !'
Are those replica R/C stuka aircraft?!?! Only 2 remain and cant fly
indeed they are
Wow you cant tell the difference they look so realistic
3:03 "It's like shooting rats in a barrel"...
is that like killing a fish in a trap?
Someone should have said "Viel Glück, chaps" to that man before he got into his plane. His imperfect command of English idiom shows he is obviously a spy!