So much fun especially if you can get something closer to 14” assuming your country allows it legally. Super popular length up here in Canada where overall length of 26” is required by law but 14” or 14.5” is the most popular for this kind of gun. I had an 8.5” Dagger pump assist magazine gun in 12ga but I sold it since I kept thinking I was gonna send my fingers down range with a load of buckshot. I think I own 3 or 4 shortie 12ga guns around 14” and it’s just about right for fun and fishing but other then home defence, (not legal here, kinda) or coyote blasting if they enter the fence-line around livestock it’s kinda dumb to have anything under about 20-28” barrel; other then fun of course. For fun strap on a side saddle, a light and a red dot and have at it, (not for me but my son loves it). Hell mount a bayonet and a fore grip and really got mall ninja, (you will be judged but what do you care you are having fun, what do I know I own two 500 Magnum pistols so I can’t judge). 😳
John-Paul Silke gotta have an 18 inch barrel on a shotgun in the states. Unless it's something like a mossberg shock wave or Remington tac-14 with that type of grip
Wasn’t sure if you were European or American or where you were from. I lived down south for a couple years and I’m familiar with many of your gun laws.
There's nothing wrong with your introduction. Your channel, because of your nature, is friendly in tone and nicely presented as always. I'm happy to be called a "friend" even if it is just online. Great video, once again, as always. We get to see such nice and interesting things that as far as I know no other channels really cover. There are too many explosions and dramatic scenes in so many gun channels and yours is a calm and collected gem among them. Edit to add - I've gladly subscribed to your Patreon as channels need all the encouragement and support possible in the face of anti-shooting sports YT.
Thanks for the good words and thank you for joining Patreon. I believe the good people around the world that own and use guns and stand for values that have advanced civilization will prevail. Crimes draw much attention but they don't represent truth or law abiding people.
Great demonstration, and I share your appreciation of craftsmanship. Just got a 100 year old Belgian double from Thonon Feres, a 7 pin sidekick, in my eyes and hands a masterpiece.
"My Friend" in gun-nut realm...you always make us feel like we are having a malt or draft or tea around the dining table as we handle your toys. Thank You..would love to take you into a Texas dove field to repay the enjoyment derived from your channel. God Bless CR a Texan
Hi Mike. I used to shot a Baikal over and under that a friend of mine owned,it had 27 inch barrels if I remember rightly. It was no Holland & Holland,but it was a delight to shoot and I would recommend one to anyone who wants a no frills gun that does the job.
I'm in the UK and intend on getting a shotgun license next year. I would happily purchase a baikal. My cousin in Ireland had one for the last 15 years and it's given no trouble whatsoever. I've fired it a good few times myself. Nothing fancy but built to last in my opinion
Another delightful video! I've got a pretty neat story about a 1950's~ Baikal IJ24E over under I purchased awhile ago. Brand new, Unfired. Still in the original packing from the factory in the USSR. Story goes someone purchased it way back when, and stuck it down in between a wall from the attic. Someone was doing renovations and found quite a gem. Unfortunately there was some mouse piss on the stock that marred the finish in a few spots. I picked it up for $350. What a steal. A new IJ24E is around $850 cdn. Made out like a bandit on that one. Quite a few differences between the new an old. The old ones were hand checkered, hand engraved, and had double triggers. The new ones have machined checkering and engraving and a single trigger.
What a great story! Absolutely fantastic that you got that gun! And you are correct - those older models are gentler on the eyes and still tough as tanks. Thanks for writing.
I have so many stories from great hunts with my old double guns! The one about your brother almost brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for sharing such jewels, my friend!
This video helped me pick which sbs was right for me, and how to spot a few of the characteristics that make up a good quality double. Baikal search brought me here. There aren’t many videos on them As for your introduction and instructional presentation, I feel very comfortable in saying that many new shooters in the contemporary firearms community (and even those seemingly more interested in the run and gun spray and pray 3gun jamborees) are very hungry for your kind of instructional and informative platform. Don’t change a thing.
Those doubles - I guess if one could only have one gun a strong case could be made for a 12 Ga. double. Eventually even the best pumps and semis fail and doubles can shoot loose - but a few hammer taps or a little work on the hinge pin and one is back in business. Just a thought : )
Isog, You may not know that before Browning offered the BSS affordable shotgun, it's predacessor was being made in Japan by the man who founded the Mirocho (sp?) Gun manufactiring company. The Browning /Winchester people saw the "B C Myluck" shotgun and so admired it that they contracted with it's maker to manufacture the gun under their Browning name ! And so the Briwning BSS shotgun was born, and the grew into many old Winchester designed guns being made by this same Japanese company . I was fortunate enough to find and purchase the uncommon original BC Myluck model, a 6.5 pound 12 ga. Beauty that has wonderful balance and fitting for me .
I never hunted im 50 went from handguns to wanting to get into 3 gun. Bought a set up never really ventured into it. Just recently a friend let me use a SXS to do some trap shoot. I had more fun in one day then I have in the last 10 years of shooting. Now im looking to expand my collection. But it wont be bottom feeders or more AR's :)
Hello Dyers! Good on you my friend. Those SXSs and O/Us are incredible - actually all shotguns; and clays and trap and skeet are tops. Great shooting, great people - action and fun - I love those sports. Thanks for writing!
I've got a mid 1960's Baikal U/O in 12ga - fantastic shotgun! Unbreakable, totally reliable and has a great choked barrel for the odd 70 metre pheasant shots I've taken with #5 shot. Got the Shotgun in the late 1970 - and aint going to get rid of it.
I can't believe how fine and durable they are . I'm the same as you - hunted with the Baikals and TOZ shotguns for years - still waiting for something to go wrong; it never happens.
Great video with excellent detail. My friends greeting is perfectly fine and separates your channel from many others. Also, with the state of TH-cam and its agenda asking subscribers to join you on Patreon is perfectly acceptable. Don't be shy. You are providing content and expertise found no where else. It has value and for a very modest amount on Patreon it is available. Carry on proudly!
In the seventies I literally wore out two Spanish doubles. I had a gunsmith who repaired them for me. each time I got them back the trigger pull was tougher. He even case hardened the parts for me. Finally he told me I needed to find a new home for them. I asked him why they wore out so quickly and he replied that the cheaper Spanish guns were hand fitted with soft steel parts to facilitate quick assembly at the factory. The better grades such as AYA were made with better steel, subsequently more durable. The cheaper guns were beautiful with color case hardened frames and they were light and easy to carry. I asked him which side by side he would buy for quality and durability. His response; Browning BSS. I took his advice and bought a twenty gauge BSS Sporter with the English straight grip. After firing thousands of rounds over thirty years I've never had a problem. Three years ago I took the stock off to refinish it and looked inside. There was virtually no sign of wear. Recently I was in a fancy "Gun Library" where they had some new beautiful Spanish doubles for $1400.00. They had a gently used BSS for $1,100.00.
I have a traditional English 12 bore side by side, boxlock ejector made by John Tisdell of Chichester, it's ~100 years old. When you handle a gun like this and look a little closer you realise the skill and time that went in to making it. Intricate engraving and the way the parts fit together so precisely is impressive. I was interested in buying a side by side and looked at several. When I shouldered this particular gun it stood out from the others as it happened to fit me very well.
You have the best gun Channel on TH-cam and are the most liked as well.Nice personality and great firearms, that seem to be a cut above the quality of the other lower grade guns we see on TH-cam. You have encouraged me to seek out and buy fine firearms, instead of the cheap,junky plastic ones that are so popular right now.I now buy top grade Swedish and German Shotguns ,instead of plastic stocked, soft steeled ,Turkish ones.You have taught us how to see the difference, and now we are going to recycle our plastic instead of shoot with it.
Hi Don - Wonderful words to read - thank you! I'm glad you're buying quality and accuracy at such amazing prices as are out there these days. I am so encouraged by your post. Thanks again and take care!
Can't miss with a BSS : ) ...why they stopped making them...no one knows. I still don't follow why SXS shotguns are not the most popular. O/U maybe a little easier to hit with but with experience the SXS is just as good - especially in the field. The repeaters are great but that's a lot of parts and complexity for one extra water fowling shot. Of course - for defense the repeaters are another story.
Thank you my friend for your insightful presentation on these side-by-side shotguns. You have shared intricacies about these guns that greatly exceed my experience. I have always appreciated the weight, balance and handling of these firearms and it's good to have some understanding of the workmanship, precision and craftsmanship behind them. Guess I'm dating myself but to me growing up these were the pre-eminent shotguns.
My uncle used to hunt deer with slugs in his Baikal...and he always said that you could shoot a slug into a deer with any gun, but only with a Baikal you could beat it to death.
Atlast. SxS review. What character. Great video. Learnt alot " my friend". Love your videos. Dont change a thing. 👍. Another SxS in detail would be nice.
You are a good revirwer i thank. Thank you very much for sharing this with us. The word friend you are using i like the most. Honestly speaking i regularily watching your channel because you review every thing in very very clear words. Thank you again please.
I've owned and shot doubles since I was a teen but never knew why chopper lump barrels were so named. I'd venture to say that one of the major reasons why we all find British guns, especially older ones, so much more pleasant to shoot is that their stocks always have more drop at heel and comb. They are more anatomically suitable to the human body than the very straight stocks on modern factory-made guns. The gun should fit the shooter, not vice versa.
Just picked up a old sxs bsa I believe 1950 12g 2 3/4 chamber, nice proof marks etc, nitro proofed, and a pedersoli sxs percussion cap, oddly should been a 20 gauge but it's. 700 all the way down the tubes uses 14 gauge wads and cards, very odd, takes a. 690 round ball with a .015 patch. I love the options you get with a smooth bore,
My gunsmith here in the UK recently mentioned Baikal shotguns in conversation, saying the internal components are very well finished and crucially, properly case hardened. His opinion was that if you see beyond the snobbery, they are very well made and good value guns. As an aside, Beretta use the monoblock method of barrel construction and nobody criticises Berettas!
That shot gun in your hands looks like it belongs there. Great guns feel right,,,RIGHT? love the stuck in the mud spin shot story those are the best when the other guy says no way and down goes the duck ahahah
There is a lot of hand finishing with all Miroku break action guns. They are very well made . The BSS is a Miroku Model 500 version branded a Browning. It is a Anson and Deeley boxlock action. There is also Sidelock BSS which is a version of the Miroku model FEII SLE which is based on a Holland and Holland Sidelock action
I have 250 or so reviews on my channel and I tell people all the time"I don't know it all. But now I know a lot more then I did. That's why I am one of your subcribblers. Thanks.
I love double guns and have owned some real decent guns in my time. Even my craptastic polymer OU “tacticool” 12ga I use for fishing near the Alaskan boarder just “feels” better. Since it’s a fishing gun tossed on the beach I bought cheap and reliable but people who have never handled and shot a double really have no idea how one can cost $6,000-$20,000 and be worth every penny. (You obviously can get much more expensive but really it’s like wine and a $6,000 gun has so little difference from a $20,000 or more gun that we are talking 2-3% better at this point other then decorative flourishing).
Hello Rough! That is a huge and great decision - congratulations! May as well enjoy the greatest expression of freedom. I've learned from the people that write me on this channel that so many people in so many countries watch the videos and can only dream of owning a firearm and going hunting - no such thing for them. The very best to you - good hunting, safety and all good things my friend.
Baikal is an excellent life long gun that you can beat the shit out of 99% of the time. I'd pit them against any other brand any day and my money will.be on the baikal
I own the same model of "Baikal" ijh 54. Really heavy gun with a strong mecheanism.Probably the best side by side shotgun made by Ijhevsk.It is a clone of Sauer model 8.
I agree with the others; your intro is a good one. I discovered your channel only months ago and have to say that you thoroughly deserve all the great compliments that you've received. Yours is my favorite gun channel. Btw, I picked up a very nice Browning Safari in 30-06 within days of your video on it. I was going to buy one over ten years ago but somehow forgot about it. Thank you for the reminder - what a great rifle it is! P.s., You probably know this already but there's a great bull market brewing in the gold and silver mining stocks that you don't want to miss. Even a small investment in the sector can turn into a large one!
Hello Gold One - your words are gold to me. I'm doing my level best for all to see what it is that we are interested in - that all the good gun people around the world are just that : good and abiding people, most with families and full of love and faith of many kinds; care and dedication for their community and country; and most of all, a steadfast belief in the sanctity of freedom. I've received messages from places where there is little or no freedom and for sure - they don't like it and in a heartbeat would be like us at any cost. Freedom does not come without risk and consequence - but the alternative is not life - but rather a form of incarceration in the name of security. I'm so glad you bought a Safari! What a rifle! What a legend. I hope this polymer age will pass and we can return to the types of guns and beliefs that got us here. And yes - the oils, gold and silvers are the way to go - at least for me. Thank you for writing and all the best to you.
How right you are and well said - as usual. You are the elusive gentleman and scholar that we all hear about. :) "Socialism is not in the least what it pretends to be. It is not the pioneer of a better and finer world, but the spoiler of what thousands of years of civilization have created. It does not build, it destroys. For destruction is the essence of it. It produces nothing, it only consumes what the social order based on private ownership in the means of production has created." - Ludwig von Mises
I consider you a friend. :)) And upon further inspection i believe my 1924 SxS is a Chupper lumb. If that's spelled corectly anyway. ;) Take care and God bless.
I just got a stevens savage 530a 12 gauge sxs shotgun from a trade with a russian sks to my bro about 2 weeks ago. I just redone the stock dark red stain and tung oil and the barrel and receiver i used spray paint in flat black and done 3 layers. The gun looks very awsome now . The shotgun was sitting in a barn for 50 years and my bro bought it for 250. It shoots far and we used #2 shells and we were hitting our targets at 100 yards away. Oh yeah its chambered for 2 3/4 but thats ok.
Im polishing some surfaces so i can turn it into like a cowboy action shooter . But im just slicking up the gun for easier reloading and faster action. Ive seen videos by midway usa on how to tighten the front wood hand guard if its loose and how to retighten the barrels to the receiver. Good videos.
In other words, they're all functional, quality guns, but one is like a luxury car. This was a very interesting video. An old double barrel is definitely on my list of things I'd like to pick up one day. I have a couple older guns, and a couple newer ones, but the old ones are so attractive to me. It's just a matter of justifying the expense for something I don't need. Oh, and your introduction? People on here just like to complain. Don't worry about it.
Hi Jim, Good point - we all struggle with need and want. I guess cave and fire is need so most everything else is probably want : ) I think you deserve a few guns - like everyone else; and they don't go down in value - like cash in the bank. Just my humble opinion.
USOG Absolutely right. The beauty of buying a really nice old gun, is the beauty of the gun, but the bonus is it keeps becoming more valuable with time.....unlike a few new gun purchases I've made.😥 I'll be picking up a few things down the road. I'm just at the start of getting out of some long and difficult times. That's why I was very appreciative of this video. I never knew about bushed firing pins, or about the barrels. If I get a shot at an older gun, I'll know a lot more about what to look for. I can spot quality work in wood and metal, but this is some valuable advice. Especially if I find something really quality built,but in rough shape. Thanks for sharing your collections and knowledge.
Good fortune must follow you! I'm glad you have one. A gun of great and increasing value and useful too; hard to find a better material thing anywhere.
I have a Hugo Eckoldt from Suhl 9211. 12/70 nitro that my father gave me when I was 14 in 1964...its beautifully engraved.. what can you tell us about German shotguns from suhl. I have found little information about this gun. Thanks
fabulous stories! puts things into perspective. i have a browning gran lightning bought new about 30 years ago. it does not, i was told, have that brazing/soldering to join barrels to monobloc--all one piece--perhaps not true but sold me. anyway, i am on the lookout for a bss side by side browning as well as a browning auto doublet (?) for which i have had an extra barrel for about 35 years. will death cheat me out of my pursuit? i'll let you know if one precedes the other...
Hi Greg - Thanks for the good word. Some of the Gran Lightnings had such spectacular wood! I was always told they are demi-bloc - a spectacular one piece just as you were told. Naturally, I forget this from time to time. I hope you get a Doublet - a much better name than the Double Auto or Twelvette which is more commonly heard : ) You'll get the gun decades before anything else happens.
I have a Browning BSS which was the first shotgun I brought back around the early 1980s. I had just got into waterfowl hunting at that time. I really did not know much about shotgun at that time, but liked the looks of the tradition old waterfowl guns. I went into a gun shop and saw this gun which looked almost new with no ware. I think i paid $300 at that time. I used that gun for trap shooting and waterfowling for a number of years until steel shot became mandatory for waterfowl. At which time I brought a Browning pump that could handle the steel shot. I still have the BSS. Still in great shape. What do you think this gun is worth today? I don't believe it is made today, but maybe I'm wrong. At one time I thought of having the screw chocks put into the barrels so I could shot steel shot or see if there was a replacement barrel that was made for that gun but never did. It still a beautiful gun. Interested in your thoughts. Thanks.
Hi capthal - depending on condition and exact model - I see the Brownings change hands for between $1200 and $2500. Sideplate models are more. Upland models are scarce. I bought one for $1400. with some evidence of use but still about 80-90% Hope this helps. Sometimes people panic about something and let them go for cheap - like $800. - but that is the exception. Hope this helps.
Have loved the BSS for years now. Have used one for a long time on many sporting clay ranges even though several much more highly prized O&U guns are readily at hand and could be used if desired, its the BSS that usually get put to work. There’s just something about a SxS that I love, and the BSS has long been my fav. Therefore, the more highly prized pieces remain put away, and its the good old BSS which usually gets put to work on clays and various field work. I’m convinced it’s pretty much indestructible and it fits me as well as other fitted pieces which cost far more.
Would it be possible to have your opinion of the darne ex’s. I have a couple and they are great guns for me. Both are customs. Many thanks for a wonderful series. Cheers
Hi William - near and dear to me and just about all collectors - those Darnes - excellent and so strong. I had one covered in fine scroll engraving; sadly I don't have one now. As soon as I find one - I'll make a video. Cheers.
Very detail introduction to side by side shotgun thank you very much. In your thought how is comparable a baikal shotgun to British one on durability expect.?thank you friend. Did u use baikal sxs shotgun ever?
Hello Ziauddin, Baikal makes excellent shotguns. I own 2 O/U Baikals and 1 SXS Baikal. From my experience is an extremely durable shotgun with excellent steel and the springs don't break - or mine never did. I would say the Baikal box lock will last as long as any box lock can. I can't say they are better or worse than a British gun in terms of durability - which is saying a lot.
TGS Outdoors chanel has a very interesting video about Longthorne company from UK which does the entire CNC machining, barrels and lumps from a high grade block of steel..they jump on barrels, smack them and no dents or bending...
You are right sir . But when it comes to guns all our freedom is vanished . We were under British rule , during that time any indian citizen ( before indepence ) had to convince British government that he is a British law abiding citizen who will never use the weapon to revolt British. Even though we are independent now but still many British laws are still in enforcement . This phenomenon has caused control of guns . Regards SATHVIK
The people have to let the government know that the British are gone - and with them their restrictions on guns. I may be over simplifying things; but all power originates from the people.
My I please correct you on the Webley .Webley did not fit chopper lump barrels on the 700 series .They used a dovetail system.This consisted of the barrel tubes a machined lump and a keel piece and were all brazed together.
This was the video I was waiting for ... The British side by side are the finest guns that I have seen . Recently I had a Holland and Holland shotgun for deposit in the shop where I work. The surprising fact in India with respect to imported guns are its price. Only for the purpose of knowledge I'll take the liberty to introduce financial aspects to my comment. The moroku DBBL gun costs about 5000$ in India with average condition Baikel arms shotgun cost about 3500$ average condition. The webly and Scott sells for 6000 to 8000 $. The Westley Richards shotgun will sells for 12000 to 18000$ easily. The Holland and Holland with some gold lettering will easily sell for 20000$ A typical browning shotgun sells for 9000$. A typical Beretta model 1935 pistol in .32 cal which sells in USA FOR 350$ will cost 8000 to 1000$ A typical mauser rifle may cost about 15000$ The Blazer you showed in one of your videos with a straight pull action ( plus slightly engraved body and multi callber barrels ) will sell for 50000 to 60000$ . And a Beretta or glock or Smith and Wesson or Walther pistol with a spare magazine and box that you can buy for 1000$ will sell in India for a price of 30000 to 40000$ . The above mentioned prices are for average guns ( reblued and restocked and or repaired , with or without factory recoil pad. ) Regards SATHVIK Gunsmiths India
That is absolutely incredible Sathvik. Someone needs to do something - those prices are far too high. Can you, as a gunsmith, import used guns into India; with the correct licenses of course?
Makes me so sad to hear people getting taxed to death because of a fun and lawful hobby. I’m in Canada and we pay a premium over American prices and can get most of what they get plus a whole lot more which would make many Yankee’s green with envy. I gladly pay these prices since our dollar is weaker, (a good thing for world trade I may add) and our health care and infrastructure which is 1/10th the size but in many ways better run, (mostly due to size not incompetent government). Many other countries don’t allow such open freedom as the USA and this freedom was extended to me when I lived in Washington. I love the USA and hold them responsible for many of our Canadian freedoms and often correct my brethren of their ignorance.
Hi Ziad- the Merkel is a stronger action due to the cross bolt. The BSS is quite strong as well - many double rifles are custom built on the BSS frame. I had a .470 NE. The BSS takes everything without a grunt. Searcy builds a lot of double rifles on the BSS.
I have a question. You talk about measuring and assembling the gun with regard to regulation so that the barrels converge at a set distance. How do the makers go about regulating the barrels? I am imagining some kind of adjustable rig/jig that hold the barrels in place for firing before final brazing/welding or soldering into their final positions. Is that how it is done or is there some other simpler or indeed more complex manner in which they accomplish this regulation of barrels?
There are traditional ways involving wedges and spacers and brazing/solder etc... and then there are modern laser and robot systems such as I believe Beretta uses. The convergence points are mathematical equations now; although I'm sure the British still use their minds and test.
Thank you. As with so many things there is a traditional way and a modern way. Both are getting the job done in different ways and at different costs I am sure.
Hello I bought a universal double wing 2015 26” barrel shotgun and is missing the forend. The 1 you are holding and put together has a similar barrel as mine. The forend 2 locking pins in front are the same on my barrels. Question is we’re can I buy a forend that will fit to my shotgun?
Hi - Please spray some WD40 or similar into the forend with the lever lifted. I had the same problem. Then wait a bit and work the lever a few times. I then pressed the lever against the side of my workbench firmly so I could get it to maximum open point - and then pulled down on the forend - it came off quite easily. Good luck!
i can totally feel with you. "black rifles" and tacticool stuff can be interesting and effective. but my interest lies in "real rifles" with wood and polished steel. finely crafted civilian arms, nice decorations, engravings ... exclusive hunting rifles ... of course they are not as "effective" but i`d favor a break-action single-shot rifle over an ar15 without thinking twice.
Webley and Scott 700 did NOT have chopper lump barrels . They were a dovetail lump . The extractor stop pin needs tightening and by the sound when he closes it it sounds like it needs some work on the joint and bites .
Thanks Graham - very good to know. I'm still waiting for the Westley Richards - I think you were asking about it; perhaps it was another viewer. I like the Ovundo and the droplock (I guess some call them "hand detachable locks") is always interesting. Anyway, I appreciate your writing and have a Merry Christmas!
At this moment I would like to make my comments more interesting by quoting price of cartridge . .22 LR = 20 $ for ( 50 no Cartridge indian ammo ) .22 LR = 50 to 100$ ( 50 no ) .25 cal = 100 to 150 $ ( 50 no ) .32 revolver = 80 $ ( 50 no ) .32 pistol = 100 $ Shotgun cartridge 12 bore = 70$ ( 50 no ) 16 bore = 140$ ( 50 no ) Rifle cartridge .315 cal . = 65$ ( 50 no ) 30.o6 = 140$ ( 50 no ) 405 win = 500$ ( 50 no ) .303 = 770$ ( 50 no ) 9mm = 770$ ( 50 no ) I'm sure above prices have shocked you . 24 $ and only limited to 3 arms so different kind The licensing feese per weapon per year is Regards SATHVIK
Remarkable prices Sathvik - unbearable actually. Someone needs to start an industry for arms and ammunition manufacture for the domestic market and for export. India has incredible resources, human and natural - and is a democracy (unlike China) Can you imagine affordable and quality ammo and firearms Made In India - would be fantastic.
Ah Ha Robert! Now that is good to know - I couldn't figure it out. I can see the split under the extractor - which makes some of them seem like chopper lump - but something seemed not right. Anyway, thanks Robert - now I know the monoblocs are buffed smooth and blued - which explains everything.
Hi David - A Webley & Scott SXS is a very fine "user" and they can be $1500. - $2000. - more for the smaller gauges. BSA made a nice SXS for awhile. Hope this helps and good luck.
wholeNwon yeah for sure it would be mainly for duck and goose! Funny you commented today cause I was just at the gun shop and looked at a few CZ that are affordable and look well made!
@@davidgendron1953 In double guns, stock fit is extremely important. So I would not buy anything that doesn't fit very well. If you're willing to pay the price for bismuth, lots of older guns will be available. If you must use steel instead then newer guns will be needed, esp. for heavy loads. In Britain these have superior steel proof marked with a fleur de lis. Then there are over and unders, too. Unless you are experienced with sxs doubles, learning to shoot them well will require work. O/U are easier because of the easily seen single sighting plane. They are also available with a larger variety of rib designs and choke tubes.
Hello, I work grave yard with a few over time. IT'S tough to get any sleep during the day . but when I get time I like watching your show. especially all those nice fire arms you have. I'm over here north Seattle. I make wood and gas stoves for a company next to Boeing. Anyway thanks for the thump up , right back at you, you take care, and I'm going ten toes up. good night.
Dear sir. The import of fire arms in to India for general purpose had been banned singe 1980's so the old guns are super rare here . The only means to import guns ( no semi automatic rifle or other big cal guns ) is to qualify a national level competitive . The sports shooters are the only means to bring the ammo and guns to India .
Side by side guns over here are cheap because they are unfashionable at the moment. I was able to buy a nice side by side , one of a pair, excellent engraving and wood, for the same price as a turkish made semi-auto.
USOG yes, but over here we have strict licencing, which makes owning large amounts of firearms difficult. Some get around this by becoming registered firearms dealers. But this leads to other problems.
Apparently the Chiappa triple threat, (or some such dumb name) is actually a fine gun and well fitted. And I agree, even a well built single is far better then many semi-auto guns and in many ways a much more sporting option for next level hunters. (Not for me of course I really want/need that insurance round mostly for the calming effect it has letting me know I have a solid back-up which I rarely need especially since I don’t much hunt anymore).
I think that we should get things right!! The Webley & Scott gun you are handling in your video is a 700 series gun made in Birmingham England built and finished by hand and made to last a lifetime of work, unfortunately production ceased approximately forty years ago they are far above the quality of the Webley & Scott guns you see today. The barrels are not if chopper lump construction the lumps are dovetailed but ware wise just as good, in this world there is nothing perfect this gun does not have a replicable hinge pin in the action casting so all putting back on face has to be done from the barrel hook. Saying that my two 700s after some fifty years use still close up like well fitted bank vault doors. If you are under thirty and you can find one of these English "Plane Jane" factory hand built guns at a good price purchase it, because when the shooting world wakes up to the fact that these guns had other more up market names engraved on them and sold at London gun prices their value will quadruple.
Great words jas20per. i agree. Years ago I made a steady business putting actions back on face at the hook - always liked that work. The doubles from the golden age are gems; market recognition comes and goes but the gems stay the same. All the best to you.
The India might be a worst market for firearms . As the government have restricted the grant of licence to its citizens . There are only 3 licences in 2017 for 30 square kilometres of area. The government has ordered all higher rank officers to avoid providing gun licence unless it's an extremely genuine case .
Hi Sathvik - India can easily surpass China - but in order to unlock the potential of the people of India there has to be freedom. I can assure you that no matter how much people fear freedom....there is no price too high to pay for it. : ) Take care my friend.
Thanks I hoip so mabe be good to ceip in Touch ? I an an interested in the oid stuff and you sowd very knowledgeable I have we Channel.but it’s not very good just for my Frends lol
It's useless here sir . Since arms rules 2016 , air rifle exceeding .22 cal or 20 joules of energy requires an arms licence . The government is not at all thinking about the number of air guns that have been sold in the past . I assure atleast 10000000 air guns are there in India . Even though it's impossible taks the government is still on its argument that air guns are dangerous weapons . The British influence will never go in the governing system of India .
Hi Jamie - A friend of mine in Houston sent me ; "They can fool some people some of the time. They can even fool most of the people, most of the time - but they can't fool all of the people, all of the time." As for me, I don't pay much attention to the media and all the political games - I think there is a fundamental wisdom in the American people and when it counts - they stick with the constitution and what works - which may not be ideal or what people imagined - but it works.
Your friendly nature and mild manor is what keeps us coming back, no need to change anything.
Stoeger Coach gun is probably going to be my next gun, something just for fun
Best reason to buy a gun.
So much fun especially if you can get something closer to 14” assuming your country allows it legally. Super popular length up here in Canada where overall length of 26” is required by law but 14” or 14.5” is the most popular for this kind of gun. I had an 8.5” Dagger pump assist magazine gun in 12ga but I sold it since I kept thinking I was gonna send my fingers down range with a load of buckshot. I think I own 3 or 4 shortie 12ga guns around 14” and it’s just about right for fun and fishing but other then home defence, (not legal here, kinda) or coyote blasting if they enter the fence-line around livestock it’s kinda dumb to have anything under about 20-28” barrel; other then fun of course. For fun strap on a side saddle, a light and a red dot and have at it, (not for me but my son loves it). Hell mount a bayonet and a fore grip and really got mall ninja, (you will be judged but what do you care you are having fun, what do I know I own two 500 Magnum pistols so I can’t judge). 😳
John-Paul Silke gotta have an 18 inch barrel on a shotgun in the states. Unless it's something like a mossberg shock wave or Remington tac-14 with that type of grip
Wasn’t sure if you were European or American or where you were from. I lived down south for a couple years and I’m familiar with many of your gun laws.
There's nothing wrong with your introduction. Your channel, because of your nature, is friendly in tone and nicely presented as always. I'm happy to be called a "friend" even if it is just online. Great video, once again, as always. We get to see such nice and interesting things that as far as I know no other channels really cover. There are too many explosions and dramatic scenes in so many gun channels and yours is a calm and collected gem among them.
Edit to add - I've gladly subscribed to your Patreon as channels need all the encouragement and support possible in the face of anti-shooting sports YT.
Thanks for the good words and thank you for joining Patreon. I believe the good people around the world that own and use guns and stand for values that have advanced civilization will prevail. Crimes draw much attention but they don't represent truth or law abiding people.
Great demonstration, and I share your appreciation of craftsmanship. Just got a 100 year old Belgian double from Thonon Feres, a 7 pin sidekick, in my eyes and hands a masterpiece.
"My Friend" in gun-nut realm...you always make us feel like we are having a malt or draft or tea around the dining table as we handle your toys. Thank You..would love to take you into a Texas dove field to repay the enjoyment derived from your channel. God Bless CR a Texan
Thank you for your kind words. I'd like to be in that dove field one day. The very best to you.
Hi Mike. I used to shot a Baikal over and under that a friend of mine owned,it had 27 inch barrels if I remember rightly. It was no Holland & Holland,but it was a delight to shoot and I would recommend one to anyone who wants a no frills gun that does the job.
I'm in the UK and intend on getting a shotgun license next year. I would happily purchase a baikal. My cousin in Ireland had one for the last 15 years and it's given no trouble whatsoever. I've fired it a good few times myself. Nothing fancy but built to last in my opinion
Enjoy watching this guy...in the old days he would have been called a scholar and a gentleman..
Another delightful video!
I've got a pretty neat story about a 1950's~ Baikal IJ24E over under I purchased awhile ago. Brand new, Unfired. Still in the original packing from the factory in the USSR. Story goes someone purchased it way back when, and stuck it down in between a wall from the attic. Someone was doing renovations and found quite a gem. Unfortunately there was some mouse piss on the stock that marred the finish in a few spots. I picked it up for $350. What a steal. A new IJ24E is around $850 cdn. Made out like a bandit on that one. Quite a few differences between the new an old. The old ones were hand checkered, hand engraved, and had double triggers. The new ones have machined checkering and engraving and a single trigger.
What a great story! Absolutely fantastic that you got that gun! And you are correct - those older models are gentler on the eyes and still tough as tanks. Thanks for writing.
Single shot rifles and side by side shotguns, no wonder I like your channel. Very informative for me as a side by side owner.
Glad you're here Richard. Thank you!
I have so many stories from great hunts with my old double guns! The one about your brother almost brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for sharing such jewels, my friend!
This video helped me pick which sbs was right for me, and how to spot a few of the characteristics that make up a good quality double. Baikal search brought me here. There aren’t many videos on them
As for your introduction and instructional presentation, I feel very comfortable in saying that many new shooters in the contemporary firearms community (and even those seemingly more interested in the run and gun spray and pray 3gun jamborees) are very hungry for your kind of instructional and informative platform. Don’t change a thing.
Thank you Sean - your words helps me a lot.
If you don't appreciate the beauty and craftsmanship of a double barrel, there is something wrong with your soul.
Those doubles - I guess if one could only have one gun a strong case could be made for a 12 Ga. double. Eventually even the best pumps and semis fail and doubles can shoot loose - but a few hammer taps or a little work on the hinge pin and one is back in business. Just a thought : )
Isog, You may not know that before Browning offered the BSS affordable shotgun, it's predacessor was being made in Japan by the man who founded the Mirocho (sp?) Gun manufactiring company. The Browning /Winchester people saw the "B C Myluck" shotgun and so admired it that they contracted with it's maker to manufacture the gun under their Browning name ! And so the Briwning BSS shotgun was born, and the grew into many old Winchester designed guns being made by this same Japanese company .
I was fortunate enough to find and purchase the uncommon original BC Myluck model, a 6.5 pound 12 ga. Beauty that has wonderful balance and fitting for me .
I never hunted im 50 went from handguns to wanting to get into 3 gun. Bought a set up never really ventured into it. Just recently a friend let me use a SXS to do some trap shoot. I had more fun in one day then I have in the last 10 years of shooting. Now im looking to expand my collection. But it wont be bottom feeders or more AR's :)
Hello Dyers! Good on you my friend. Those SXSs and O/Us are incredible - actually all shotguns; and clays and trap and skeet are tops. Great shooting, great people - action and fun - I love those sports. Thanks for writing!
I've got a mid 1960's Baikal U/O in 12ga - fantastic shotgun! Unbreakable, totally reliable and has a great choked barrel for the odd 70 metre pheasant shots I've taken with #5 shot. Got the Shotgun in the late 1970 - and aint going to get rid of it.
I can't believe how fine and durable they are . I'm the same as you - hunted with the Baikals and TOZ shotguns for years - still waiting for something to go wrong; it never happens.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I visited the BAIKAL factory about 18 months back, loved it and the Kalashnikov Museum in Izhvesk.
Great video with excellent detail. My friends greeting is perfectly fine and separates your channel from many others. Also, with the state of TH-cam and its agenda asking subscribers to join you on Patreon is perfectly acceptable. Don't be shy. You are providing content and expertise found no where else. It has value and for a very modest amount on Patreon it is available. Carry on proudly!
Hi Rick, You have this way of writing the most wonderful words. Thank you.
In the seventies I literally wore out two Spanish doubles. I had a gunsmith who repaired them for me. each time I got them back the trigger pull was tougher. He even case hardened the parts for me. Finally he told me I needed to find a new home for them. I asked him why they wore out so quickly and he replied that the cheaper Spanish guns were hand fitted with soft steel parts to facilitate quick assembly at the factory. The better grades such as AYA were made with better steel, subsequently more durable. The cheaper guns were beautiful with color case hardened frames and they were light and easy to carry. I asked him which side by side he would buy for quality and durability. His response; Browning BSS. I took his advice and bought a twenty gauge BSS Sporter with the English straight grip. After firing thousands of rounds over thirty years I've never had a problem. Three years ago I took the stock off to refinish it and looked inside. There was virtually no sign of wear. Recently I was in a fancy "Gun Library" where they had some new beautiful Spanish doubles for $1400.00. They had a gently used BSS for $1,100.00.
Love your channel my friend 👍 keep up the great work 😊
That is so fine of you to write. Thank you. : )
I have a traditional English 12 bore side by side, boxlock ejector made by John Tisdell of Chichester, it's ~100 years old. When you handle a gun like this and look a little closer you realise the skill and time that went in to making it. Intricate engraving and the way the parts fit together so precisely is impressive. I was interested in buying a side by side and looked at several. When I shouldered this particular gun it stood out from the others as it happened to fit me very well.
You have the best gun Channel on TH-cam and are the most liked as well.Nice personality and great firearms, that seem to be a cut above the quality of the other lower grade guns we see on TH-cam. You have encouraged me to seek out and buy fine firearms, instead of the cheap,junky plastic ones that are so popular right now.I now buy top grade Swedish and German Shotguns ,instead of plastic stocked, soft steeled ,Turkish ones.You have taught us how to see the difference, and now we are going to recycle our plastic instead of shoot with it.
Hi Don - Wonderful words to read - thank you! I'm glad you're buying quality and accuracy at such amazing prices as are out there these days. I am so encouraged by your post. Thanks again and take care!
You have the most friendly commentsection. You must be a friendly guy. :))
Learned stuff rightaway.
Thanks.
Thank you Romin - I am as I am : ) thank you for the kind words and being on the channel.
Now I know how the term "chppoer lump" came about. Well presented and educational. Thank you...my friend. 😉
: ) Thank you AC!
I have a Browning BSS 12 gauge, 26” ic and mod, I love it, another great video , that your friends enjoy
Can't miss with a BSS : ) ...why they stopped making them...no one knows. I still don't follow why SXS shotguns are not the most popular. O/U maybe a little easier to hit with but with experience the SXS is just as good - especially in the field. The repeaters are great but that's a lot of parts and complexity for one extra water fowling shot. Of course - for defense the repeaters are another story.
Your kind and noble caracter is obvious and anyone should be proud to count you amongst his/her friends.I certainly do so .Well meet dear friend.
I am humbled by your words Angus. Thank you so much. Please take good care my friend.
Thank you my friend for your insightful presentation on these side-by-side shotguns. You have shared intricacies about these guns that greatly exceed my experience. I have always appreciated the weight, balance and handling of these firearms and it's good to have some understanding of the workmanship, precision and craftsmanship behind them. Guess I'm dating myself but to me growing up these were the pre-eminent shotguns.
I like them more than any others - the SXS and O/U are so fine. I like the others as well - but they are more machines.
My uncle used to hunt deer with slugs in his Baikal...and he always said that you could shoot a slug into a deer with any gun, but only with a Baikal you could beat it to death.
Hahahahaha MMM - the Baikal is a tank for sure. No need to do that but they are tough as they get.
Nothing wrong way your channel my friend 😁👍.
Enjoy the video of the side by side's 👍👍
Thanks Eric!
Atlast. SxS review. What character. Great video. Learnt alot " my friend". Love your videos. Dont change a thing. 👍. Another SxS in detail would be nice.
Good Morning Mike! I love doubles so I have to revisit often! Great presentation and beautiful guns!!!
You are a good revirwer i thank. Thank you very much for sharing this with us. The word friend you are using i like the most. Honestly speaking i regularily watching your channel because you review every thing in very very clear words. Thank you again please.
Thank you Ziauddin - I do my best.
I've owned and shot doubles since I was a teen but never knew why chopper lump barrels were so named. I'd venture to say that one of the major reasons why we all find British guns, especially older ones, so much more pleasant to shoot is that their stocks always have more drop at heel and comb. They are more anatomically suitable to the human body than the very straight stocks on modern factory-made guns. The gun should fit the shooter, not vice versa.
Just picked up a old sxs bsa I believe 1950 12g 2 3/4 chamber, nice proof marks etc, nitro proofed, and a pedersoli sxs percussion cap, oddly should been a 20 gauge but it's. 700 all the way down the tubes uses 14 gauge wads and cards, very odd, takes a. 690 round ball with a
.015 patch. I love the options you get with a smooth bore,
Really good video thanks for the info on sis shotguns!
My gunsmith here in the UK recently mentioned Baikal shotguns in conversation, saying the internal components are very well finished and crucially, properly case hardened. His opinion was that if you see beyond the snobbery, they are very well made and good value guns. As an aside, Beretta use the monoblock method of barrel construction and nobody criticises Berettas!
Thank you for a very meaningful note. Your smith knows what's what. The Russian guns are tanks.
Great story about your brother. That is what its all about!
That shot gun in your hands looks like it belongs there. Great guns feel right,,,RIGHT? love the stuck in the mud spin shot story those are the best when the other guy says no way and down goes the duck ahahah
There is a lot of hand finishing with all Miroku break action guns. They are very well made . The BSS is a Miroku Model 500 version branded a Browning. It is a Anson and Deeley boxlock action. There is also Sidelock BSS which is a version of the Miroku model FEII SLE which is based on a Holland and Holland Sidelock action
I have 250 or so reviews on my channel and I tell people all the time"I don't know it all. But now I know a lot more then I did. That's why I am one of your subcribblers. Thanks.
I am grateful that you are here and can learn some things. This is the greatest reward for me.
Love whatching your videos
Very informative
Thanks Kevin!
I love double guns and have owned some real decent guns in my time. Even my craptastic polymer OU “tacticool” 12ga I use for fishing near the Alaskan boarder just “feels” better. Since it’s a fishing gun tossed on the beach I bought cheap and reliable but people who have never handled and shot a double really have no idea how one can cost $6,000-$20,000 and be worth every penny. (You obviously can get much more expensive but really it’s like wine and a $6,000 gun has so little difference from a $20,000 or more gun that we are talking 2-3% better at this point other then decorative flourishing).
Well said - the doubles last and last; no gas or recoil actions and parts and springs - doubles are 100% pure gun.
Of course we are friends!
"What a lot of talking". What a lot of very attentive and grateful listening I assure you. Thank you.
Thank you Redlock - your note encourages me.
I love your video! Great work! I have recently decided to take up hunting and I will start with a baikal mp 27. Thank you for your videos
Hello Rough! That is a huge and great decision - congratulations! May as well enjoy the greatest expression of freedom. I've learned from the people that write me on this channel that so many people in so many countries watch the videos and can only dream of owning a firearm and going hunting - no such thing for them. The very best to you - good hunting, safety and all good things my friend.
Baikal is an excellent life long gun that you can beat the shit out of 99% of the time. I'd pit them against any other brand any day and my money will.be on the baikal
Very informative. Thanks
I own the same model of "Baikal" ijh 54. Really heavy gun with a strong mecheanism.Probably the best side by side shotgun made by Ijhevsk.It is a clone of Sauer model 8.
Hi Giorgi - Thank you! I'm glad you know the gun. These are so tank solid - a fantastic shotgun - I would trust one under any circumstance.
My grandfather bought it used in early 80-s on an auction for 12 roubles (about 7.20 dollars :) ) .It was confiscated from poachers!
Baikal are perfect last forever tough as fuck
Keep up the great work! We really enjoy it!
: )
I agree with the others; your intro is a good one.
I discovered your channel only months ago and have to say that you thoroughly deserve all the great compliments that you've received. Yours is my favorite gun channel.
Btw, I picked up a very nice Browning Safari in 30-06 within days of your video on it. I was going to buy one over ten years ago but somehow forgot about it. Thank you for the reminder - what a great rifle it is!
P.s., You probably know this already but there's a great bull market brewing in the gold and silver mining stocks that you don't want to miss. Even a small investment in the sector can turn into a large one!
Hello Gold One - your words are gold to me. I'm doing my level best for all to see what it is that we are interested in - that all the good gun people around the world are just that : good and abiding people, most with families and full of love and faith of many kinds; care and dedication for their community and country; and most of all, a steadfast belief in the sanctity of freedom. I've received messages from places where there is little or no freedom and for sure - they don't like it and in a heartbeat would be like us at any cost. Freedom does not come without risk and consequence - but the alternative is not life - but rather a form of incarceration in the name of security.
I'm so glad you bought a Safari! What a rifle! What a legend. I hope this polymer age will pass and we can return to the types of guns and beliefs that got us here. And yes - the oils, gold and silvers are the way to go - at least for me. Thank you for writing and all the best to you.
How right you are and well said - as usual. You are the elusive gentleman and scholar that we all hear about. :)
"Socialism is not in the least what it pretends to be. It is not the pioneer of a better and finer world, but the spoiler of what thousands of years of civilization have created. It does not build, it destroys. For destruction is the essence of it. It produces nothing, it only consumes what the social order based on private ownership in the means of production has created."
- Ludwig von Mises
I'm very happy to be greeted as your friend!
Thanks for being here : )
Extraordinarily instructive. Thank you.
Thanks Roger
I consider you a friend. :))
And upon further inspection i believe my 1924 SxS is a Chupper lumb.
If that's spelled corectly anyway. ;)
Take care and God bless.
Hi Romin, You're never alone. I'm here. God Bless you.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns You're too kind. :))
If you're ever in the Netherlands you are welcome in my humble home.
God bless.
:))
😎😀 The Browning Is Really Nice 👍🏼
The BSS is such a fine gun - as you note - of course they had to stop making them. : ) Life....
I just got a stevens savage 530a 12 gauge sxs shotgun from a trade with a russian sks to my bro about 2 weeks ago. I just redone the stock dark red stain and tung oil and the barrel and receiver i used spray paint in flat black and done 3 layers. The gun looks very awsome now . The shotgun was sitting in a barn for 50 years and my bro bought it for 250. It shoots far and we used #2 shells and we were hitting our targets at 100 yards away. Oh yeah its chambered for 2 3/4 but thats ok.
I agree - 2 3/4 is completely fine. I hunt waterfowl with the required steel shot and have no problems with 2 3/4' shells.
Im polishing some surfaces so i can turn it into like a cowboy action shooter . But im just slicking up the gun for easier reloading and faster action. Ive seen videos by midway usa on how to tighten the front wood hand guard if its loose and how to retighten the barrels to the receiver. Good videos.
In other words, they're all functional, quality guns, but one is like a luxury car.
This was a very interesting video. An old double barrel is definitely on my list of things I'd like to pick up one day. I have a couple older guns, and a couple newer ones, but the old ones are so attractive to me. It's just a matter of justifying the expense for something I don't need.
Oh, and your introduction? People on here just like to complain. Don't worry about it.
Hi Jim, Good point - we all struggle with need and want. I guess cave and fire is need so most everything else is probably want : ) I think you deserve a few guns - like everyone else; and they don't go down in value - like cash in the bank. Just my humble opinion.
USOG Absolutely right. The beauty of buying a really nice old gun, is the beauty of the gun, but the bonus is it keeps becoming more valuable with time.....unlike a few new gun purchases I've made.😥
I'll be picking up a few things down the road. I'm just at the start of getting out of some long and difficult times. That's why I was very appreciative of this video. I never knew about bushed firing pins, or about the barrels. If I get a shot at an older gun, I'll know a lot more about what to look for. I can spot quality work in wood and metal, but this is some valuable advice. Especially if I find something really quality built,but in rough shape.
Thanks for sharing your collections and knowledge.
I recently picked up a ruger gold label, very happy I did so!!
Good fortune must follow you! I'm glad you have one. A gun of great and increasing value and useful too; hard to find a better material thing anywhere.
I have a Hugo Eckoldt from Suhl 9211. 12/70 nitro that my father gave me when I was 14 in 1964...its beautifully engraved.. what can you tell us about German shotguns from suhl. I have found little information about this gun. Thanks
I used Browning shotgun for hunting, excellent performance, I like & want to buy more.
fabulous stories! puts things into perspective. i have a browning gran lightning bought new about 30 years ago. it does not, i was told, have that brazing/soldering to join barrels to monobloc--all one piece--perhaps not true but sold me. anyway, i am on the lookout for a bss side by side browning as well as a browning auto
doublet (?) for which i have had an extra barrel for about 35 years. will death cheat me out of my pursuit? i'll let you know if one precedes the other...
Hi Greg - Thanks for the good word. Some of the Gran Lightnings had such spectacular wood! I was always told they are demi-bloc - a spectacular one piece just as you were told. Naturally, I forget this from time to time. I hope you get a Doublet - a much better name than the Double Auto or Twelvette which is more commonly heard : )
You'll get the gun decades before anything else happens.
You should get your hands on an FN B25, well made shotguns in my opinion.
Greetings from Germany.
Hello Lukas - I'll find one. I think I had one years ago. I was just listening to Deutschlandlied earlier. Auf Wiedersehen : )
I have a Browning BSS which was the first shotgun I brought back around the early 1980s. I had just got into waterfowl hunting at that time. I really did not know much about shotgun at that time, but liked the looks of the tradition old waterfowl guns. I went into a gun shop and saw this gun which looked almost new with no ware. I think i paid $300 at that time. I used that gun for trap shooting and waterfowling for a number of years until steel shot became mandatory for waterfowl. At which time I brought a Browning pump that could handle the steel shot. I still have the BSS. Still in great shape. What do you think this gun is worth today? I don't believe it is made today, but maybe I'm wrong. At one time I thought of having the screw chocks put into the barrels so I could shot steel shot or see if there was a replacement barrel that was made for that gun but never did. It still a beautiful gun. Interested in your thoughts. Thanks.
Hi capthal - depending on condition and exact model - I see the Brownings change hands for between $1200 and $2500. Sideplate models are more. Upland models are scarce. I bought one for $1400. with some evidence of use but still about 80-90% Hope this helps. Sometimes people panic about something and let them go for cheap - like $800. - but that is the exception. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info
Lovely video yet again my friend. Keep em coming.
Real nice video, Friend.
Thank you David!
Wow thank you for the info!!!
Is that webley and scott a 700 series?. Good video by the way.
Your alias is hilarious : ) I think the W&S is a 700 series. Thanks for the good words. Best to you for 2019!
Have loved the BSS for years now. Have used one for a long time on many sporting clay ranges even though several much more highly prized O&U guns are readily at hand and could be used if desired, its the BSS that usually get put to work. There’s just something about a SxS that I love, and the BSS has long been my fav. Therefore, the more highly prized pieces remain put away, and its the good old BSS which usually gets put to work on clays and various field work. I’m convinced it’s pretty much indestructible and it fits me as well as other fitted pieces which cost far more.
Would it be possible to have your opinion of the darne ex’s. I have a couple and they are great guns for me. Both are customs. Many thanks for a wonderful series. Cheers
Hi William - near and dear to me and just about all collectors - those Darnes - excellent and so strong. I had one covered in fine scroll engraving; sadly I don't have one now. As soon as I find one - I'll make a video. Cheers.
Very detail introduction to side by side shotgun thank you very much. In your thought how is comparable a baikal shotgun to British one on durability expect.?thank you friend. Did u use baikal sxs shotgun ever?
Hello Ziauddin, Baikal makes excellent shotguns. I own 2 O/U Baikals and 1 SXS Baikal. From my experience is an extremely durable shotgun with excellent steel and the springs don't break - or mine never did. I would say the Baikal box lock will last as long as any box lock can. I can't say they are better or worse than a British gun in terms of durability - which is saying a lot.
TGS Outdoors chanel has a very interesting video about Longthorne company from UK which does the entire CNC machining, barrels and lumps from a high grade block of steel..they jump on barrels, smack them and no dents or bending...
You are right sir . But when it comes to guns all our freedom is vanished .
We were under British rule , during that time any indian citizen ( before indepence ) had to convince British government that he is a British law abiding citizen who will never use the weapon to revolt British.
Even though we are independent now but still many British laws are still in enforcement . This phenomenon has caused control of guns .
Regards
SATHVIK
The people have to let the government know that the British are gone - and with them their restrictions on guns. I may be over simplifying things; but all power originates from the people.
My I please correct you on the Webley .Webley did not fit chopper lump barrels on the 700 series .They used a dovetail system.This consisted of the barrel tubes a machined lump and a keel piece and were all brazed together.
Thank you Graham!
This was the video I was waiting for ...
The British side by side are the finest guns that I have seen .
Recently I had a Holland and Holland shotgun for deposit in the shop where I work.
The surprising fact in India with respect to imported guns are its price.
Only for the purpose of knowledge I'll take the liberty to introduce financial aspects to my comment.
The moroku DBBL gun costs about 5000$ in India with average condition
Baikel arms shotgun cost about 3500$ average condition.
The webly and Scott sells for 6000 to 8000 $.
The Westley Richards shotgun will sells for 12000 to 18000$ easily.
The Holland and Holland with some gold lettering will easily sell for 20000$
A typical browning shotgun sells for 9000$.
A typical Beretta model 1935 pistol in .32 cal which sells in USA FOR 350$ will cost 8000 to 1000$
A typical mauser rifle may cost about 15000$
The Blazer you showed in one of your videos with a straight pull action ( plus slightly engraved body and multi callber barrels ) will sell for 50000 to 60000$ .
And a Beretta or glock or Smith and Wesson or Walther pistol with a spare magazine and box that you can buy for 1000$ will sell in India for a price of 30000 to 40000$ .
The above mentioned prices are for average guns ( reblued and restocked and or repaired , with or without factory recoil pad. )
Regards
SATHVIK
Gunsmiths India
That is absolutely incredible Sathvik. Someone needs to do something - those prices are far too high. Can you, as a gunsmith, import used guns into India; with the correct licenses of course?
Makes me so sad to hear people getting taxed to death because of a fun and lawful hobby. I’m in Canada and we pay a premium over American prices and can get most of what they get plus a whole lot more which would make many Yankee’s green with envy. I gladly pay these prices since our dollar is weaker, (a good thing for world trade I may add) and our health care and infrastructure which is 1/10th the size but in many ways better run, (mostly due to size not incompetent government). Many other countries don’t allow such open freedom as the USA and this freedom was extended to me when I lived in Washington. I love the USA and hold them responsible for many of our Canadian freedoms and often correct my brethren of their ignorance.
Nice program
Great Video and explanation. Thank you for taking your time!
How or where you put the Merkel comparing to the BSS in strength wise?
Hi Ziad- the Merkel is a stronger action due to the cross bolt. The BSS is quite strong as well - many double rifles are custom built on the BSS frame. I had a .470 NE. The BSS takes everything without a grunt. Searcy builds a lot of double rifles on the BSS.
Thank you again for taking the time answering. Do you know if the BSS has a frame/receiver made from forging or casting?
I have a question. You talk about measuring and assembling the gun with regard to regulation so that the barrels converge at a set distance. How do the makers go about regulating the barrels? I am imagining some kind of adjustable rig/jig that hold the barrels in place for firing before final brazing/welding or soldering into their final positions. Is that how it is done or is there some other simpler or indeed more complex manner in which they accomplish this regulation of barrels?
There are traditional ways involving wedges and spacers and brazing/solder etc... and then there are modern laser and robot systems such as I believe Beretta uses. The convergence points are mathematical equations now; although I'm sure the British still use their minds and test.
Thank you. As with so many things there is a traditional way and a modern way. Both are getting the job done in different ways and at different costs I am sure.
I was thinking about a CZ double, but the barrels are black chrome, not blued. It was a 100% deal breaker.
Hello I bought a universal double wing 2015 26” barrel shotgun and is missing the forend. The 1 you are holding and put together has a similar barrel as mine. The forend 2 locking pins in front are the same on my barrels. Question is we’re can I buy a forend that will fit to my shotgun?
Any advice on getting the fore end off the bss? Seems stuck. Just not coming off when pulling the lever
Hi - Please spray some WD40 or similar into the forend with the lever lifted. I had the same problem. Then wait a bit and work the lever a few times. I then pressed the lever against the side of my workbench firmly so I could get it to maximum open point - and then pulled down on the forend - it came off quite easily. Good luck!
i can totally feel with you.
"black rifles" and tacticool stuff can be interesting and effective.
but my interest lies in "real rifles" with wood and polished steel. finely crafted civilian arms, nice decorations, engravings ... exclusive hunting rifles ...
of course they are not as "effective" but i`d favor a break-action single-shot rifle over an ar15 without thinking twice.
I would also take the break open over the AR every time - which makes 2 of us on the planet. : )
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Webley and Scott 700 did NOT have chopper lump barrels . They were a dovetail lump . The extractor stop pin needs tightening and by the sound when he closes it it sounds like it needs some work on the joint and bites .
Thanks Graham - very good to know. I'm still waiting for the Westley Richards - I think you were asking about it; perhaps it was another viewer. I like the Ovundo and the droplock (I guess some call them "hand detachable locks") is always interesting. Anyway, I appreciate your writing and have a Merry Christmas!
At this moment I would like to make my comments more interesting by quoting price of cartridge .
.22 LR = 20 $ for ( 50 no Cartridge indian ammo )
.22 LR = 50 to 100$ ( 50 no )
.25 cal = 100 to 150 $ ( 50 no )
.32 revolver = 80 $ ( 50 no )
.32 pistol = 100 $
Shotgun cartridge
12 bore = 70$ ( 50 no )
16 bore = 140$ ( 50 no )
Rifle cartridge
.315 cal . = 65$ ( 50 no )
30.o6 = 140$ ( 50 no )
405 win = 500$ ( 50 no )
.303 = 770$ ( 50 no )
9mm = 770$ ( 50 no )
I'm sure above prices have shocked you .
24 $ and only limited to 3 arms so different kind
The licensing feese per weapon per year is
Regards
SATHVIK
Remarkable prices Sathvik - unbearable actually. Someone needs to start an industry for arms and ammunition manufacture for the domestic market and for export. India has incredible resources, human and natural - and is a democracy (unlike China)
Can you imagine affordable and quality ammo and firearms Made In India - would be fantastic.
How much would you pay for bss 12-gauge 26 or 28 in shotgun made in 70s few Scratches on wood. ?
Hi CL - I'd say $1000 - $1200.
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these days you won't know is the gun is Chopper Lump, based on a line over the barrels, since some makers weld the seam and grind smooth.
Ah Ha Robert! Now that is good to know - I couldn't figure it out. I can see the split under the extractor - which makes some of them seem like chopper lump - but something seemed not right. Anyway, thanks Robert - now I know the monoblocs are buffed smooth and blued - which explains everything.
My friend, what would be a good buck for the money english shotgun? Something good, a user, nothing fancy with all the bling??
Hi David - A Webley & Scott SXS is a very fine "user" and they can be $1500. - $2000. - more for the smaller gauges. BSA made a nice SXS for awhile. Hope this helps and good luck.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns nice thank you, I will keep that in mind!
If you want to be able to use steel shot, keep that in mind when shopping.
wholeNwon yeah for sure it would be mainly for duck and goose! Funny you commented today cause I was just at the gun shop and looked at a few CZ that are affordable and look well made!
@@davidgendron1953 In double guns, stock fit is extremely important. So I would not buy anything that doesn't fit very well. If you're willing to pay the price for bismuth, lots of older guns will be available. If you must use steel instead then newer guns will be needed, esp. for heavy loads. In Britain these have superior steel proof marked with a fleur de lis. Then there are over and unders, too. Unless you are experienced with sxs doubles, learning to shoot them well will require work. O/U are easier because of the easily seen single sighting plane. They are also available with a larger variety of rib designs and choke tubes.
THE EJECTOR ROD WORKS WHEN BREAKING OPEN A DOUBLE, NOT BY THE HAMMERS.
Thanks Dan!
USOG OK, you sure have a nice collection of firearms. I'm working on a old pieper 10 GA ,that's a 150 years old and having to make the parts.
Hello, I work grave yard with a few over time. IT'S tough to get any sleep during the day . but when I get time I like watching your show. especially all those nice fire arms you have. I'm over here north Seattle. I make wood and gas stoves for a company next to Boeing. Anyway thanks for the thump up , right back at you, you take care, and I'm going ten toes up. good night.
With as many guns you have, you can call me friend.
I would like to have some beers with you.
Would be great!
Dear sir.
The import of fire arms in to India for general purpose had been banned singe 1980's so the old guns are super rare here .
The only means to import guns ( no semi automatic rifle or other big cal guns ) is to qualify a national level competitive . The sports shooters are the only means to bring the ammo and guns to India .
Thanks Sathvik - someone needs to change this. It may not be easy but now is the time to start; this is a huge opportunity.
Side by side guns over here are cheap because they are unfashionable at the moment. I was able to buy a nice side by side , one of a pair, excellent engraving and wood, for the same price as a turkish made semi-auto.
That's so interesting. Buy them all : )
USOG yes, but over here we have strict licencing, which makes owning large amounts of firearms difficult. Some get around this by becoming registered firearms dealers. But this leads to other problems.
I understand - I really do. Maybe things will change. I'll take a SXS above any semi. In order to get that third shot one has take such a loss.
Apparently the Chiappa triple threat, (or some such dumb name) is actually a fine gun and well fitted. And I agree, even a well built single is far better then many semi-auto guns and in many ways a much more sporting option for next level hunters. (Not for me of course I really want/need that insurance round mostly for the calming effect it has letting me know I have a solid back-up which I rarely need especially since I don’t much hunt anymore).
Do you live in the UK?
I think you will find webley 700s are dovetail lump , not chopper lump
I think that we should get things right!! The Webley & Scott gun you are handling in your video is a 700 series gun made in Birmingham England built and finished by hand and made to last a lifetime of work, unfortunately production ceased approximately forty years ago they are far above the quality of the Webley & Scott guns you see today. The barrels are not if chopper lump construction the lumps are dovetailed but ware wise just as good, in this world there is nothing perfect this gun does not have a replicable hinge pin in the action casting so all putting back on face has to be done from the barrel hook. Saying that my two 700s after some fifty years use still close up like well fitted bank vault doors. If you are under thirty and you can find one of these English "Plane Jane" factory hand built guns at a good price purchase it, because when the shooting world wakes up to the fact that these guns had other more up market names engraved on them and sold at London gun prices their value will quadruple.
Great words jas20per. i agree. Years ago I made a steady business putting actions back on face at the hook - always liked that work. The doubles from the golden age are gems; market recognition comes and goes but the gems stay the same. All the best to you.
ohh yeah
Webley and Scott,not exactly a Bubbagun!
Hi Rupert - those English doubles...so, so fine....no Bubba in sight. I hope no one camos a Westley Richards. : )
My grandfather would be spinning in his grave!
Bellissime
Thanks for the note
The India might be a worst market for firearms . As the government have restricted the grant of licence to its citizens . There are only 3 licences in 2017 for 30 square kilometres of area.
The government has ordered all higher rank officers to avoid providing gun licence unless it's an extremely genuine case .
Hi Sathvik - India can easily surpass China - but in order to unlock the potential of the people of India there has to be freedom. I can assure you that no matter how much people fear freedom....there is no price too high to pay for it. : ) Take care my friend.
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Thank you - things will get better.
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It's useless here sir .
Since arms rules 2016 , air rifle exceeding .22 cal or 20 joules of energy requires an arms licence . The government is not at all thinking about the number of air guns that have been sold in the past . I assure atleast 10000000 air guns are there in India . Even though it's impossible taks the government is still on its argument that air guns are dangerous weapons .
The British influence will never go in the governing system of India .
Thank you for informing me - I had no idea. I'm sad for India; the English are long gone.
Don't let the Democrats tell you what to say
Hi Jamie - A friend of mine in Houston sent me ; "They can fool some people some of the time. They can even fool most of the people, most of the time - but they can't fool all of the people, all of the time." As for me, I don't pay much attention to the media and all the political games - I think there is a fundamental wisdom in the American people and when it counts - they stick with the constitution and what works - which may not be ideal or what people imagined - but it works.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns If only everyone in the Country actually read the US Constitution.
Any ol school hand made shotgun you're gonna have something nice
How can you tell the age on I have an old LCSmith shotgun
I'm sorry I like wood I don't care I am old school Mine have polymer stocks on it I get rid of him and I replace Them with wood