Kid, you're a fine teacher and a fine engineer. I've learned a lot from you, and I'm grateful. Your father and mother must be very proud of you. My only suggestion would be that you follow the engineering and math with more knuckle scraping whenever it's practical, just like you did in this tower strut video. Thank you- and keep these videos coming!
hey engineered explained, is this your first "hands-on" video?? you're really beginning to move up man! from lectures to hands-on videos!! the ultimate combo!
Integra Type R (not my car) is a pretty decorated car. It's been named the best FWD chassis ever by EVO. The Integra GS (not quite as awesome) is still a fun car.
It may just a have a bit of excess grip right now, and just grabs hard upon releasing the clutch. Or you may have adjusted to a very worn clutch and now the new one just grips harder, so it stalls now where as before it wouldn't. Not sure how long a proper break in is, but 120 miles is very low.
I haven't yet installed the catback - though I will eventually. I did not receive an ECU. The nitrous kit was for a Mustang, and my engine is in no shape for nitrous at this point anyways.
I've heard the same, though haven't seen anything to back it up. Doesn't make too much sense to me. I don't know about the fitment of the JDM Type R bar, but it'd likely be a good choice if it did fit.
Well, I have a video replacing my distributor cap, and one replacing the thermostat. But yeah hopefully these type of videos will start to be a little more common.
And what huge mistake is this? Elaborate as much as possible. The force transferred to the strut tower from a bump/cornering will exist regardless. Perhaps the towers flex in slightly with the weight of the car, but regardless it should be able to transfer the forces involved.
When car stands 'on wheels' there are force from springs and wole chassie weight. When you jack up car, the tension in suspention and towers disappears. Place a tensometer on strut bar and you will find out ;) You can also read some articles from Ultra Racing about struts and assembly operation. Offen some people have problems with strut bar install (with fixed lenght) when they try to put it on 'standing' car, without jacking it up (holes do not fit). But when they do it everything is fine.
Because it's something I'm not capable of measuring. I could put strain gauges on it and find out from there, but I don't have the equipment to do so. You're really not going to feel much difference.
Hey man I love your videos but just a heads up, when working on a car it's not left and right, it's driver and passenger, for orientation sake. Keep up the good work!
you thanked me by watching it, but it is me who's got to be thankful! :D u amazin dude.. simple explanations, simple teachin, showin how to do these things, just very good content! congrats and thx again
No an anti roll bar is underneath the car and is part of the suspenion. It prevents body roll in corners. A strut bar is basicly part of the chassis, it's a strengthening beam to stop deformation of the body while cornering. Take a cardboard box and put it on your desk. Pretend the box is a car, an anti roll bar stops the tilting of the box compared to the table, a strut bar stops the ability of each opposite wall of the box to move independently.
You seem quite educated in cars I wish I was as smart as you I am a fan of Acura I think they are pretty cool but I would I have to say my favorite car is the wrx
I've always liked the idea of strutbars, But my main concern with the lower price ones aren't the bar themselves, but the mounting brackets. Sure the bar is strong, but the brackets are flimsy. I bought a CRX that came with one. Super cheap eBay stuff. Pretty flexy. My favorite thing about it, was it served as a prob handle for when I was working on the car.
Hey! I have a question. When i press down my throttle my car starts to "jerk" like, try to understand this=) wruu...wruuu..wruu....wruuummmmmm. It is hard to explain but what im trying to say is why does my car "jerk" when i give it full gas (aften on lower gears)?
Hi, Ive got an EG5 and it came with 3 strut bars. 1 front, 1 rear and 1 mounted right behind the rear windows 20cm below the roof, connecting the sides. Ive removed it since I dont think it does anything at all. Any ideas why it was there to begin with ?
@ Engineering Explained. I plan on installing a front strut bar on my 1999 Acura Integra LS. From what I heard installing a front strut bar will crack my windshield overtime due to the force nature or something. Also, what brand strut bar do you recommend ? There is a lot of aftermarket brands but I am not sure. I would like to get the JDM Type R strut tower if that fits. Hope to hear from you. Thanks !
No... If you jack the car up, it would lessen the stress on the struct towers that it would not be on the same geometry as it is when the wheels are down on the ground. Place the strut bar when the strut towers are on their normal stress/geometry, which is both wheels are on a flat ground. W/out without a driver.
***** You won't feel any dfifference unless you regularly run your car in a track before and after installing a strut bar. The thing is, a strut bar doesn't have any negative effects except for added weight which is very negligible. Unless you pay for $$$ for one, it is a cheap and easy upgrade to add chassis stiffness around the strut tower area. $20-$40 aluminum bar is more than enough for daily driving. New cars and SUV's (with macpherson stut) today either have a strut bar or a sheet metal running across both strut towers. 2007 honda CRV- sheet metal 2009 Nissan Murano sheet metal 2013 Sentra - sheet metal 2011 Ford Explorer - strut bar
jpogi gtxcr1 i'd imagine it would be better if you jacked the car up. lessen the stress and flexing on the strut towers. install the bar. and when lowered back down the weight of the car will push up on the strut towers and put more force into the bar and make it an actual piece of the car instead of simply throwing it on and having it be less rigid with less sprung force resisting the flexing of the towers. no?
Silly question. If we are reducing the forces for each suspension surely this assumes the load can be transferred successfully. Surely the original design is not to transfer loads, i.e a rigid support transferring both forces and moments, therefore it should be able to withstand larger loads than originally designed for, so would it not make more sense to increase the bolt or support size of the Bar?
Are we saying the design of the strut tower of the car (welded to the car frame) is not rigid enough to handle the load applied of a hard turn? Why would you need a strut bar when the struct it connect to the frame itself. It the strut is independent of the structure frame I can see the affect of applied load to both side. In the system you showing in this video, the strut tower connected to body frame is as rigid as it can get. I must be missing something.. This video is over two year, I don't expect any reply..
The strut tower is of course strong enough to handle the load of a hard turn. A strut bar is designed to share the load between two strut towers instead of just one. Which results in greater rigidity.
The 80's-90's macpherson strut towers on ordinary sedans/hatch are a bit far from the firewall, and a cheap $20 stb like these can be of some help maintaining proper geometry. Cars (with macpherson front suspension) nowadays, usually have the strut towers very close to the firewall and most (including crossovers like the 2007 honda crv, 2009 murano, 2013 sentra) have a sheet of metal (usually where the bottom of the windshield is resting), running across and is welded or bolted on the two strut towers. So yes, if the manufacturers spent more money on the new design, it means that a strut bar on a 90's car like this (where the strut towers are further away from the firewall), will help maintain chassis geometry.
How can you just install it under the hood of your car and in your trunk like that? I'm watching videos of my VW Jetta sway bar install and it looks like they're all going under the car as if it's a strut bar for the chassis
im not sure if you are still doing the project integra but if you are i was wondering if you could do a video on sway bars, ive heard of sway bars and of strut bars but im not sure if there is a difference
Hey! I tried to record it but it is really hard to record it becuase it's hard to hear and see, the best way to notice it is to feel it which is hard to get into a video :p But thanks for the replys anyway.
So a 93 del sol....mugen front anf rear tower bars will work on a 99 teggy? WhT about front and rear shocks? I have a set of skunk2 sports, i cant tell if they r coilivers ir not, iy deff looks like u cab adjust them tho but i dont have the tool....what about dc headers off of the motor, is a d16y1?
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Kid, you're a fine teacher and a fine engineer. I've learned a lot from you, and I'm grateful. Your father and mother must be very proud of you. My only suggestion would be that you follow the engineering and math with more knuckle scraping whenever it's practical, just like you did in this tower strut video. Thank you- and keep these videos coming!
hey engineered explained, is this your first "hands-on" video?? you're really beginning to move up man! from lectures to hands-on videos!! the ultimate combo!
Thanks, appreciate it! I hope to have more of these as the channel progresses.
Occasionally, yes. Works out nicely.
Integra Type R (not my car) is a pretty decorated car. It's been named the best FWD chassis ever by EVO. The Integra GS (not quite as awesome) is still a fun car.
It may just a have a bit of excess grip right now, and just grabs hard upon releasing the clutch. Or you may have adjusted to a very worn clutch and now the new one just grips harder, so it stalls now where as before it wouldn't. Not sure how long a proper break in is, but 120 miles is very low.
I haven't yet installed the catback - though I will eventually. I did not receive an ECU. The nitrous kit was for a Mustang, and my engine is in no shape for nitrous at this point anyways.
There are both Honda and Acura badged Integras, depending on what market you're talking about. In Japan there are no Acura Integras.
I've heard the same, though haven't seen anything to back it up. Doesn't make too much sense to me. I don't know about the fitment of the JDM Type R bar, but it'd likely be a good choice if it did fit.
Yep, 99 with 120k, doing well!
They're coming! I'll have several in October.
Well, I have a video replacing my distributor cap, and one replacing the thermostat. But yeah hopefully these type of videos will start to be a little more common.
And what huge mistake is this? Elaborate as much as possible. The force transferred to the strut tower from a bump/cornering will exist regardless. Perhaps the towers flex in slightly with the weight of the car, but regardless it should be able to transfer the forces involved.
Its good to see you are putting some mods on that car!
A front strut bar for my civic I just put on gave me +10 horsepower and +8 handling points.
Chef Carl Casper 😂
Not to mention +8 "Pop the hood" points
In GTA 5?
what she said :P
When car stands 'on wheels' there are force from springs and wole chassie weight. When you jack up car, the tension in suspention and towers disappears. Place a tensometer on strut bar and you will find out ;) You can also read some articles from Ultra Racing about struts and assembly operation. Offen some people have problems with strut bar install (with fixed lenght) when they try to put it on 'standing' car, without jacking it up (holes do not fit). But when they do it everything is fine.
From an engineering point of view, they do have a lot going for them. Very light, 50/50 weight distribution, RWD.
Or else my car will fall apart? Plenty of the Honda ones have failed/fallen off. As long as they're torqued right shouldn't be a problem.
Absolutely, though it will be a slow start.
No, check out my explanation video.
It's likely a C-pillar bar since your car's a hatch, and doesn't have a connection across the c-pillars.
subscribed to you a while back, good to see that you're showing installs, man you deserve a better car (not that anythings wrong with you're teggie)
Because it's something I'm not capable of measuring. I could put strain gauges on it and find out from there, but I don't have the equipment to do so. You're really not going to feel much difference.
No, it's not like a sway bar.
Jason - you can find more info on the "about" tab of my channel.
Hey man I love your videos but just a heads up, when working on a car it's not left and right, it's driver and passenger, for orientation sake. Keep up the good work!
Eventually I may do a playlist on bikes. It will likely be some time though!
This is for an Acura Integra, as the title says. For this specific car, it is 36 lb-ft.
Not yet, I need to film it!
can you upload some more videos on project integra please
I have an ME degree from NC State.
It's for a Mustang.
Or what happens?
Can you do more hands on stuff like this? I like learning by actually seeing the parts at work as well as on your board. Keep up the great work!
No, I can't feel a car bending. Proof would have to come from strain gauges.
Acura Integra (GS at least).
you thanked me by watching it, but it is me who's got to be thankful! :D u amazin dude.. simple explanations, simple teachin, showin how to do these things, just very good content! congrats and thx again
Indeed!
Awesome, may be my next car actually!
Hmmm from what I gathered from your first comment it sounds like your clutch is slipping, I could be wrong. Could you make a video of it?
No an anti roll bar is underneath the car and is part of the suspenion. It prevents body roll in corners.
A strut bar is basicly part of the chassis, it's a strengthening beam to stop deformation of the body while cornering. Take a cardboard box and put it on your desk. Pretend the box is a car, an anti roll bar stops the tilting of the box compared to the table, a strut bar stops the ability of each opposite wall of the box to move independently.
Aren't these useless if they shift more than the chassis does? Can they be tightened once they are installed?
2:19 deeez nuts
haha I caught that too lol
Hahahahaha so immature
nmarcano3 hahah never immature lol I lmfao 😂 once we got “deeeeze nuts....”
Will removing the flange nuts put the struts out of alignment?
The better question is: why isn't that Nitrous Express kit from your other video installed on the car?
You seem quite educated in cars I wish I was as smart as you I am a fan of Acura I think they are pretty cool but I would I have to say my favorite car is the wrx
Did you notice a difference with the strut bars installed?
Perhaps it's downshifting, if it's an auto.
I hope to, thanks!
what if my cheap car doesn't have those side nuts and screws?? I'll have to drill some holes??
I've always liked the idea of strutbars, But my main concern with the lower price ones aren't the bar themselves, but the mounting brackets. Sure the bar is strong, but the brackets are flimsy. I bought a CRX that came with one. Super cheap eBay stuff. Pretty flexy. My favorite thing about it, was it served as a prob handle for when I was working on the car.
Is there any video in that you show your integra complete? PD: your videos rulz!!!
Since I live in America, it's badged Acura.
What sizes are the bolts on the strut bar bought a strut bar but missing the bolts that keep the strut bar together
Hmmm... Mixed metric and imperial measurements. Rear bar might reduce cargo space a tiny bit.
Hey! I have a question. When i press down my throttle my car starts to "jerk" like, try to understand this=) wruu...wruuu..wruu....wruuummmmmm. It is hard to explain but what im trying to say is why does my car "jerk" when i give it full gas (aften on lower gears)?
You got it.
Do you have to install strut bars to the front and back? Because the front bar didn't seem to be a problem but the back one took up most of the trunk.
Hi, Ive got an EG5 and it came with 3 strut bars. 1 front, 1 rear and 1 mounted right behind the rear windows 20cm below the roof, connecting the sides. Ive removed it since I dont think it does anything at all. Any ideas why it was there to begin with ?
@ Engineering Explained. I plan on installing a front strut bar on my 1999 Acura Integra LS. From what I heard installing a front strut bar will crack my windshield overtime due to the force nature or something. Also, what brand strut bar do you recommend ? There is a lot of aftermarket brands but I am not sure. I would like to get the JDM Type R strut tower if that fits. Hope to hear from you. Thanks !
hi, i just want to ask about the flange nut size, is it m10 or m8 x 1.25? thanks
You have to lift the car for the installation?
MarcoMotors you gotta drop the car for this installation
dont you have to jack up the car before install the strut bar ?
Marius Negrean I wouldnt have thought so as its top engine work, i may be wrong lol
I have mine coming today from my GT Celica, im sure it wont make a lot of difference in that ar but it will be interesting to see anyway haha.
No... If you jack the car up, it would lessen the stress on the struct towers that it would not be on the same geometry as it is when the wheels are down on the ground.
Place the strut bar when the strut towers are on their normal stress/geometry, which is both wheels are on a flat ground. W/out without a driver.
***** You won't feel any dfifference unless you regularly run your car in a track before and after installing a strut bar.
The thing is, a strut bar doesn't have any negative effects except for added weight which is very negligible. Unless you pay for $$$ for one, it is a cheap and easy upgrade to add chassis stiffness around the strut tower area. $20-$40 aluminum bar is more than enough for daily driving.
New cars and SUV's (with macpherson stut) today either have a strut bar or a sheet metal running across both strut towers.
2007 honda CRV- sheet metal
2009 Nissan Murano sheet metal
2013 Sentra - sheet metal
2011 Ford Explorer - strut bar
jpogi gtxcr1 i'd imagine it would be better if you jacked the car up. lessen the stress and flexing on the strut towers. install the bar. and when lowered back down the weight of the car will push up on the strut towers and put more force into the bar and make it an actual piece of the car instead of simply throwing it on and having it be less rigid with less sprung force resisting the flexing of the towers. no?
What attachment was used to remove the nuts ? My sockets don't fit over it and I don't have any kind of extension piece
is it smart to do this in a 2020 Volvo XC90 with air suspention
Thanks, I was able to research this further, bacause you gave me the correct therm of the c-pillar bar.
Silly question.
If we are reducing the forces for each suspension surely this assumes the load can be transferred successfully. Surely the original design is not to transfer loads, i.e a rigid support transferring both forces and moments, therefore it should be able to withstand larger loads than originally designed for, so would it not make more sense to increase the bolt or support size of the Bar?
No problem....I'd say get it checked out (Or check it yourself) for a clutch issue.
is this basically an anti roll bar from what i understood?
Do you think you will be making more videos of installs and upgrades in the future?
Can you do one on roll cage, I see them in rally racing and nascar, but I don't know how they work
To protect the driver.
In addition, they do keep the chassis a bit more rigid, which helps in high g-force turns.
Yeah but not everyone reads the description or wherever you said that. So just making sure they knew. Wouldn't want an accident...
Could you please do an install video for the catback install? Much appreciated man
Is it an obligation to have both struts bars (front and back) or you can only have the front one?
is 36 pounds for all cars strut towers or just the acura integra's?
They are pretty flexy, but the pros are they are cheap, easy to obtain, and they do their job. Any bar is better than nothing at all.
For the front bar install, did you have to jack the car up? I heard its necessary because the front strut towers are angled. Plz lmk thxs.
How did this strut bar hold up? I'm think of getting one for my Integra.
It's fine, though the one I was supposed to be sent versus the one I received were different.
you probably have the best integra ever
Are we saying the design of the strut tower of the car (welded to the car frame) is not rigid enough to handle the load applied of a hard turn? Why would you need a strut bar when the struct it connect to the frame itself. It the strut is independent of the structure frame I can see the affect of applied load to both side. In the system you showing in this video, the strut tower connected to body frame is as rigid as it can get. I must be missing something.. This video is over two year, I don't expect any reply..
The strut tower is of course strong enough to handle the load of a hard turn. A strut bar is designed to share the load between two strut towers instead of just one. Which results in greater rigidity.
The 80's-90's macpherson strut towers on ordinary sedans/hatch are a bit far from the firewall, and a cheap $20 stb like these can be of some help maintaining proper geometry.
Cars (with macpherson front suspension) nowadays, usually have the strut towers very close to the firewall and most (including crossovers like the 2007 honda crv, 2009 murano, 2013 sentra) have a sheet of metal (usually where the bottom of the windshield is resting), running across and is welded or bolted on the two strut towers.
So yes, if the manufacturers spent more money on the new design, it means that a strut bar on a 90's car like this (where the strut towers are further away from the firewall), will help maintain chassis geometry.
If i would check it my self (if it's easy enough) you have any tips or videos on how to do that?
If you leave it like this, you will overstiff the body and it will cause some damage and cracks (notch effect)
How would I determine if the bolts are sufficiently tightened?
How can you just install it under the hood of your car and in your trunk like that? I'm watching videos of my VW Jetta sway bar install and it looks like they're all going under the car as if it's a strut bar for the chassis
Those are sway bars. He installed strut tower brace
What if u do the front and not the back will kt feel wierd?
sir, does it change the behaviour of the car driving?
And the statement "Honda Integra doesn't exist" is still incorrect...
Your integra ? Looks just like mine I have a 01 though
Most people I know don't torque lug nuts, let alone strut tower nuts. Just get it tight, or if you're that concerned with it, just google it.
Do company's just give you products to use for your videos?
Nice :D Did you notice any improvment on your car?
im not sure if you are still doing the project integra but if you are i was wondering if you could do a video on sway bars, ive heard of sway bars and of strut bars but im not sure if there is a difference
Search my channel, I have videos on both. :)
Does it have to be torqued ?
Hey! I tried to record it but it is really hard to record it becuase it's hard to hear and see, the best way to notice it is to feel it which is hard to get into a video :p But thanks for the replys anyway.
Is there any measurable adjustment to the bar itself? or do you just tighten nuts simply to hold it in place?
Is it a manual transmission?
So a 93 del sol....mugen front anf rear tower bars will work on a 99 teggy? WhT about front and rear shocks? I have a set of skunk2 sports, i cant tell if they r coilivers ir not, iy deff looks like u cab adjust them tho but i dont have the tool....what about dc headers off of the motor, is a d16y1?
You have to be like MIT or Stanford Mech Engineering right ? Or are you a automotive engineer already?
Can you do a walkaround of your integra?
Can u explain what a fender bar and or brace ?