New LS8-e neo review | Electric Glider 15 m & 18 m wingspan
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- Flying the LS8-e neo in Italy was a lot of fun. With this review I will show you the most important technical features of the glider and FES propulsion system.
These are my personal thoughts about the LS8-e neo and this video is not sponsored by DG Flugzeugbau.
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Many thanks to Julia Steinle for the thumbnail and helping me to film the review on the ground.
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It must be on the expensive side of gliders, but I love it's high tech dashboard. Also the electric propulsion is nice feature for gaining altitude when it's really need.
The point at this glider is, that the construction of it is already almost 30 years old. In fact its even older because the Ls8 is basicly a Ls6 with fixed flaps, so you can say that the glider is from the 80s. Of course the Ls8 became kind of a legend with the time because it flies really easy but though has a good glide ratio (should be about 44:1) . Also its one of the most used glider for competitions in the standard class besides the discus 2.
So DG in fact builds a glider, which is more than 30 years old. They do only small facelifts (like the neo winglets and so on) on them. The gliders of them cant compete with gliders of today, but nevertheless they cost a lot.
@@Michael0905 how much
@@minecraftminecraft3580 ~$160,000 USD from what I've found.
it’s the only sport that makes me dream. and even more today. my first flight was in a wooden glider with my dad in 1967. spending time on airfields is what we did throughout our childhood and adolescence. glider passion is a virus. Congratulations about this one and thank you to share with us
A wooden glider?!
@@kagefisk in 1967
@@kagefisk : they all were made from wood and cloth - once. Plastic fantastic is here for only, like, 50 years. What are 50 yrs, nothing. I learned to fly on a wood&cloth glider, too. Was a great experience.
@@demezon6572 wow thats amazing!
I am so glad that full size aviation is finally catching up with RC model technology.
TXLorenzo how much would one of these cost?
@@leom5095 about 140K Euro. Gliders can last very long 50+ years.
@@folkenvanvanel6611 I’m way late, but me and a few others will be attempting to make a glider like this with one seat, and we are starting to make RC models of this, hopefully we can make a full size model soon.
I particularly enjoyed the extended battery securing aspect to this video. It's never given enough air time in similar features. I love watching batteries.
@Sam Haslam it is not completely foolproof, so not yet suitable for club operation... ;-)
I don't mind a little TV or a campfire, but sitting around watching batteries...👀..?
Cynthia Ayers I think they’ve got a website for that.
The batteries can be swapped and the flat batteries are charged while you fly. Way more fun than charging built in batteries when you can't fly for an hour or so while waiting.
Magnificent looking glider. Smooth low noise and compact electric power. Top combination.
He literally said it was too loud. As the 1 thing he didn't like.
I thought it was amazing though.
For a glider its actually pretty loud. Since we don't have engines running and fly at around 100-160 km/h on average it's normally even quieter.
Hopefully only the airvent or the canopy...
Dankeschön, brother, for showing again German ingenuity! Cheers from the U.S.! 🇺🇸💛🇩🇪
I don't even own a glider. Just really enjoyed such an indepth review, got to learn a bit about gliders too!
Most people don't own gliders. They join a gliding club and pay membership fees which entitle them to fly the club's aircraft. It's mostly volunteers that do the instruction and that's usually free. You just pay for the launch and a nominal hourly rate for the aircraft. You should check it out... it's a really great scene.
Try with styrofoam. Wrap it with some cheap carbon fiber substitute. And you might be able to take it up to the sky.
And it promises to bring you down sooner or later in one way or other. 😁😛
your comment is 200 likes!
Mosquito helicopter?
@@misternaive8566 and then break your legs ......hahahaha
This is the second I've ever seen about gliders. I don't know why I am watching this.
Comes closer and closer to rc electric glider solutions. Like it!
My thoughts exactly. Looks so much like the electric launch RC gliders I used to fly.
I love how he reviews the cockpit while he is flying lol
this guy in 2030 : Boeing 798-678-A review
2mins in: *it fell apart*
that prop is the coolest thing! it comes out on its own then folds back in on its own! thats so cool!
Until it breaks
Holy crap! That's a real ep glider! Thought this was RC review
Haha, real gliding is more fun 😅
So what's the price bro?
@@monsieuryatangaki9862 The price depends on the equipment, trailer... The base price for the glider is about 115.000 € + VAT
@@SteFly that is actually not extreme. I saw some electric gliders for more than twice that
Stefan Langer I’m more of a car person. I would spend $115,000.00 on a sports car. But it would be so cool to be able to fly
I had a glider flight, the view of you going down the runway was such a rush. What a lucky dog you are. It's not very, very good, it's excelent.
It took my body a few flights to become used to the sensation but i've just logged my 17th and over 10 hours and I don't intend to give it up as long as I can keep it up ;)
Just wait until you get to try a winch launch. It's incredible
Can't believe how far RC's have come - 'bout time they released a 1:1 ratio model
Haha, but not the cheapest RC glider 😂
I had an irresistible urge to blip the throttle stick on my transmitter as he was winding the prop! :D:D:D:D
The electric cri-cri is the ultimate 1:1 RC model =)
Stefan Langer Whats the Prize for the Plane ?
@@Tatesmate grand prize
Yeah, I think I wouldn't buy this glider too, because of all of that noise in the background as he said... too noisy... I'll stick to my new skateboard :-(
LOLL
@ASTAAD G you also don't have a sense of humour... lol
Lol
LOL
Ale Cisla you don’t either.
Großartige Idee! Bitte mehr Segler-Reviews! :D
Literally first glider video I saw an hour ago got me thinking that it would be a nice addition to have an electric motor with a folding prop on one of those in case the pilot fails to find any lift. Then I thought that of course that would be a compromise on the gliding abilit, because of the weight so maybe it's not the best idea. Googled the weight of some glider, did some quick rough maths about weight, electric motors and energy consumption then realized it might not be such a bad idea. Literally a few recommendations later this video shows up and I feel validated lol.
The wright brothers would be proud of your glider.
Santos Dumont*
Otto Lilientahl to
There are gliders with propellers, wow I'm getting Lernt in this rabbithole
If I had unlimited funds, this 18m would be my first, last, and only choice.
@IIExtreme23x how long do you want the wing to be? any longer and his roll rate would be slower than the antonov
@@papakilo-2750 not really, the aileron is still on the far edge of the wing so there is alot of Torque and the plane is also very light.
I would buy a plain with a big engine.
Imagine if thermals could be sensed and detected and then projected onto the canopy like a full canopy heads up display.
I started in a Switzer 233 like flying a pickup truck, It had air leaks all over and i liked the wind sound. When the sound stopped your were in a Thermal or in trouble. It was fun.
Was it with air cadets?
@@Matthew-se1xf I wish it would of been cheaper.
I was a passenger in one of those once. My friend did wingovers above the Flatirons in Boulder and I puked out of the rectangular side window in the back seat that flopped downward on hinges. No thanks.
The SGS 2-33 was my first solo...the only other gliders I've flown are the ASK 21 and PW-6U but compared to those, it flies like a pickup truck. Compared to the LS8 and other modern stuff, it must be closer to a freight train. Still, the Schweizer was always a good time...god knows my slipping skills got better because of it.
I landed on the rich people's side of TH-cam again :/
I have been recommended gliding videos multiple times now as of today. I dont get it. Cant even afford a new phone and they are showing me this lol
Hello there fellow peasant!
adrianTNT Yep,there's no doubt about it,being rich looks fun...😔
adrianTNT 😂
Almost nothing about is free but gliding is not expensive when compared to other sports. Most gliding clubs are run by volunteers ie. Members and may have only a couple of employees (usually instructors).
There's also amazing rates for under 25's which can make the flying almost free, young people just need to be able to make their way to the airfield and you can borrow club gliders until you give up flying if you don't want to buy one.
As with cars (also not free 😉) there's a second hand market and often random people buy one together and share annual costs in a syndicate.
It costs as much as you want to put in to it.
£50 a month can buy you an hour or more of flying and that's basically a cheap meal out for two with someone you really liiiiike
AMAZING!! Certainly the best glider channel on TH-cam.
Seems to be a very nice glider. Thanks for sharing!
It is!
You sound just like my brother in Germany. Dang dude, makes me miss him more. Be safe and this was an awesome review!
Yo man i hope your having a great day!
The Noah safety system is quite impressive. In case of an emergency, the pilot is almost ejected out of the cockpit.
Thank you for the interesting video: it gives a nice insight into the operational realities of a FES equipped glider. You make an interesting comment that the LS8, when compared to the '29, is the more 'communicative' glider regarding thermal structure and hence easier to core quickly. I was wondering how you would rate the Libelle in this regard?
The Std. Libelle (without winglets) is also very communicative but compared to the LS8 not so stable. You need to fly the Libelle more actively and it takes more concentration. But the feeling of the thermals was also very good.
Ausgezeichnet....Sie sprechen sehr gut English! Ich habe alles genoßen! Vielen Dank. Before I went to US Navy Flight School, YEARS ago, I flew Schweizer 2-22 and 1-26 Sailplanes...never had the chance to fly a Glasflügel. One fact: sailplanes make one a better pilot, at least for my sailplane experiences, I had no motor and thus had to have an excellent downwind, base, and FINAL....could not go around again!! Love this video....Wenn ich nur dort wäre!!
Sehr schön😃👍🏽leider blieb mir das Thermik-Gefühl immer verwehrt und ich musste mich mit der Motorfliegerei begnügen...das Video ist klasse👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Dankeschön 👍🏼
Das Motorfliegen hat mich bis jetzt noch nicht gereizt.
+1
Ich fang nächstes Jahr an freu mich auf viele tolle flugstunden
Makes a change from watching car videos. Very cool glider and amazing countryside, nice driving roads.
Beautiful flying machines 👍
Dieses Flugzeug ist sehr beliebt, Stefan, danke für den Einweisungsflug. Von einem so schönen Flugzeug würde ich gerne mal einen Selbststart ohne Schlepphilfe sehen. Der Lärm kann durch die FES-Kühlung des Elektromotors verursacht werden. Ich wünsche Dir einen guten Start in die Saison!
Finally they made a 1:1 scale RC motor glider ;)
Thank you for the video. That is one cool glider. I noticed you have a spot personal locator beacon on. I’m glad you have a beacon. But you might consider getting the ACR brand. There is a few reasons for this. One the ACR brand has no monthly fee. It also has 5 W of power. This way if you were down in the canyon or under a snow covered canopy it will have the power to get out where the spot only has 1/2 of 1 W. The spot also has a monthly fee. Finally the ACR brand is part of a worldwide search and rescue network that many governments are on board with and the ACR beacon will work anywhere in the world even the north or south pole. The spot uses a private satellite network and there are reports of the beacon being set off and them not dispatching search and rescue because they think it is not a real emergency. That is not an option with the other network. Also the other networks at ACR uses uses two different satellite constellations. Anyway just wanted to point that out beautiful glider thank you
Nice review. I have to agree that the noise levels are way too high. I’ve flow I think 4 standard LS8's and none were as noisy. I’d suggest it’s caused by the unsealed battery box leaking and I’m surprised you didn’t tape it up...
So Cool.....Glider flight is truly amazing. Now with this, much more exciting experience. Thank you!
launch with the electric prop, then jetison the battery back to earth via parachute. Retrim, and extend range greatly.
wouldn't extend the range. Adding ballast extends range. Look up the glider's polar curve at different wing loadings. In any case you need tail ballast to shift the CoG back to the right position if you fly without the batteries.
Simon Buckley i think it was Joke...
I like the mauser cannon poking out through the spinner :-P
Nice review Stefan, how do you have the time to create that many videos haha. This LS8 is a dream setup! - though would've loved to hear some range and performance specs on the FES system.
Thanks mate! Yes, it´s really time consuming to film and edit so many videos. Especially during competitions it is stressful. But now I´m back home and take some time to edit the footage. I had no time to make a proper range test only with the electrical motor. At one day I used 3,3 kWh and the battery was already fairly empty and the FCU said that I should reduce the power, even in level flight with 5 kW setting... So the reality is something between 60 - 80 km range in calm air. But most of the time this is enough.
I don’t like flying but not sure why I am watching this. Nice.
Sensacional! Eu ainda vou ter um desses. Voar é simplesmente maravilhoso!
Lucky
Fascinating my friend, keep up the good work.
Складывающиеся лопасти! Это ж охренеть! Гениально!
Couldn't find a price on their website. Does that mean it's too expensive?
Yup
It costs about 140.000€
If you have to ask you can’t afford it!
@@bridgefin Kind of.
Do you want to buy?
That will simply be the future of gliding
Is the era of commuting to and from a personal plane coming?
Unlikely. At least not with gliders.
Probably not too soon, but automated delivery drones for sure are.
It's always existed if you're qualified and have landing/takeoff room
@@PabloGonzalez-hv3td i'm waiting personal drone-like airplane, no need of large space for takeoff/landing
@@yuan.pingchen3056 It's a fantasy. The need for a safe t.o./landing area will never change so apart from aerial taxis using designated areas it's unrealistic for mass implementation.
I can't even fly my toy drone near people because it's legitimately unsafe.
Since they installed an electric motor I thought they would demonstrate it taking off without the tow plane.
I think it’s a self sustainer , not a self launcher
Beautiful glider. Pity it’s so loud... probably the propeller blades causing rupture in laminar flow around the nose area? I wonder if they can fix that. Thanks for sharing!
Yes, I also did not expect that it is so loud. But still better than the old sustainer engines. Thank you! 👍🏼
If anyone is curious. Those 'screws' are commonly called zues clips/screws.
Commonly used for quick on and off panel applications in the automotive world as they only take half a turn or so.
Ted Dzus was the inventor...DZUS Zooos
Der Batteriegrösse nach , schätze ich , das 3Kwh elektrische Arbeit zur Verfügung stehen . Erstaunlich das 5kw Motorleistung genügen , den Segeler auf Höhe zu halten . Hab Dank für die Vorstellung des Elektrosegelers.
Angegeben sind 4,2 kWh, die aber nur bei geringer Leistungsentnahme realistisch sind.
@@SteFly Den Effeckt kenn ich von meiner Solarinselanlage . Das BMS im Segeler wird eine maximale Entladertiefe von 70% der Gesamtkapazität dulden . Wären AGM Batterien verbaut , dürfte man nur maximal 50% entladen . Bei hohen Entladeströmen hat man erhebliche Wärmeveruste . Mir fielen die 4 Kühlventilatoren im Akkuabteil des Flugzeuges auf . Also denn : Many happy landings.
@@arminmoller9927 An einem Flug hatte ich 3,3 kWh verbraucht und der Akku war schon relativ leer. Zeitweise bin ich aber auch mit voller Leistung geflogen, um einen Wendepunkt im Berg zu erreichen...
The reason I clicked is to find out if it was a full size person carrying glider or a scale model. Yes there is a 15 meter wingspan model glider on TH-cam. A half scale 30 meter monster.
Very cool glider! How many minutes of power do those batteries provide, when on powered flight?
Nice ......time to take out my little Night Radian 2.0.
Somehow it should be possible to drop the battery when it is empty with a parachute away. Maybe motor aswell.
I can just imagine going to retreive it from some unsuspecting homeowner who saw it parachute right down through their window....
I like the Pull for the release of the Hook
Pilot: pulls
Cockpit „roof“: ight imma head out.....
This plane I literally have as an RC 😲🤩
Yes! Me too. I have a asw28 which is similar. The nearest i get to this is with fpv
I had a 10 foot flat bottom boat which had a trolling motor powered by 2 deep cycle batteries. I used it to troll for striped bass and lake trout. Long story short is it ran out of battery several times so there's no F'n way I'd be able to use this plane. This thing is for responsible individuals.
You need to pay more attention to battery management system. I had that for my battery canoe, never got caught out
How about a tour of the instrument panel ? What are the buttons on the stick for ? How many KWHr is the battery ?
The instrument panel is a state of the art panel with LX9070 glide computer and the remote stick is for user inputs to the glide computer in flight. The remote stick is neccessary, because my arm is too short to use the rotary knobs and buttons in a comfortable way. Both battery packs together have a 4,2 kWh of energy, which is max. 80 km range of pure electric flying.
@@SteFly Wow, just wow. 80Km is enough to prevent a lot of off glider port landings. Can you charge the battery in the glider ?
What is the L/D on that thing ? How much drag does the prop add ? Is that where the cockpit noise is coming from ?
Please do a video on that panel, both on the ground and using it in the air. Does it have a radio ? ADS-B ?
What is the "Fire Warning" button about ? The battery system ?
@@SteFly Its an amazing efficient use of elektrickel energy. In comparison to petrol engines : 1kg petrol has 11kwh Energy in stock. No petrol sustainer can drive a glider for 80 km with 1l of petrol.
@@arminmoller9927 Well no. With the weight of those batteries in gasoline - this glider would fly across a continent. And it is 4.2kWh for both batteries combined. You can get a self launch, not a sustainer with the same weight.
@@SomeTechGuy666 The panel has a "air control display" its a combined Altimeter/Radio/Transponder controller. The plane for sure has a Powerflarm integrated into the LX Computer which features ADS-B in. The LD is 1:50 for 18m. Don't know about the drag.
All the buttons, screens and instruments and still one of the most important gliding instrument is a piece of wool taped to the canopy! Nice looking ship!
Why a piece of wool ?
Man, that folder looks CLEAN. I could see owning this...nooo problem. Would really like a self launcher, though, so that pretty up front prop isn't really the answer for me. Ridiculously nice panel, dude. Does the whistle diminish when you open/close the vent, or is that not a contributor?
Time to buy one !!!
Nice glider but the lack of t/o capability kills it for me. I'm extremely happy with my Silent 2 Electro which never needs a tow thus allowing me to fly out of my nearest airport whenever the conditions look right. It also allows me to extend my gliding season by about 2 months as all the clubs here are on grass fields which aren't usable until the snow is gone and the field is dry. It would be nice to have the extra performance of an 18m but only if I could take off.
@SassuWunnuOn Lak 17C-FES is an 18m self launcher. th-cam.com/video/rxe6DIfPKb4/w-d-xo.html
I can't understan why someone will waste time or money in a electrical propulsion system unable to t/o
I love how everything is perfect here
I'd be very worried about accidentally pulling the NOAH system when I meant to pull the cable release !
What a fantastic glider. The cockpit looks cramped. Is it ?
There is a safety mechanism, so that you can´t inflate the NOAH system when the canopy is closed. The cockpit is not cramped, it´s comfortable from the space. Much bigger than an a-fuselage from Schempp-Hirth, feels more like the b-fuselage or the ASG29 cockpit.
@@SteFly Good to know about the NOAH canopy lock out.
@@SteFly Just stumbled upon your channel and know nothing about gliders, but when you were talking about the NOAH system, did you say that its to be used in the air so you can get out with a parachute??
@@SteFly Yeah, having spent most of my single seater time in SH gliders, I'm envious of all the space in this one. And the side pockets! :).
@@MrJaxalope its a gas inflated cushion that lifts you to the edge of the canopy. You can then roll out of the glider and use your parachute. The system was invented due to people getting stuck during high 'g'.
I want a glider like this in real life, 10 years from now!! I'm about to watch a lot of training videos about airspace etc. Radio. YUP Fun! For Fun!!
My gosh, I didn't know we had a "plane" like this, awesome.
th-cam.com/video/37-QWbjrho0/w-d-xo.html
Wait, so an electric glider is basically a glider but it also has an engine for some extra range if needed?
The Versailles treaty banned Germany from having an airforce after ww1. Germany formed hundreds of glider clubs and trained a generation of excellent pilots who could easily transition to powered aircraft when they built the luftwaffe.
It's so funny hearing a glider pilot complaining about noise
Please review the GP 15 SE JETA . From the stats it looks like it might be the best in class. Only you can tell us.
Unfortunately I had no chance to fly the GP 15 by now. But let´s hope for next year.
Sehr schönes Flugzeug. Super gut erklärt, viel Spaß mit dem schönen Vogel und immer guter Flug.
Hi Stefan, nice video again! :) was the noise in the cockpit produced by a bad sealing somewhere, or is it produced by the FES propellor?
What is needs is regenerative braking for when you get under a cumulonimbus cloud-- get a charge while limiting altitude gain.
how long can u fly with engine on? range if u can
Probabbly not really long.
Engine is used just to take off or gain altidute when needed.
i can barely afford a 50 cent toy glider and you tube shows me this wow this cuts me deep way deep! SNIFF SNIFF
I have to stick to my paper planes and imagination.
how much does this cost?
About three fiddy
€140.000
Enjoyed it immensly
Brilliant design and very good glider
hmmmm
One variant of the Cri Cri is powered by two electric motors. It does not need a tow.
Подумаешь.... Я вот намедни на "жигулях" 500 км проехал. И 100 из них без генератора.
Translation - Think.... I've been driving 500 km. And 100 of them without a generator.
А я один раз 30 км тащил жигули, кардан развалился. Тоесть не я на тачке ехал, а она на мне. Я бы посмотрел как автор вместо самолета полетит
У меня, раз на Запоре, бензин кончился и я на одном аккумуляторе, на стартёре доехал до бензоправки.
Vodka
Stalin
Looks fun. Wish we mere mortals could fly too but it's pretty to watch also. Thanks for the vid and the plane looks and flies great from what I see here.
bit disapointed thought the prop was going to get it off the ground
Yeah me too, I thought that was the point, not having to use a tow plane... So what is the point of it all?
@@gorway7 lift isnt easy to find. thats what its for.
me too
@@gorway7 i suppose if you are flying into a mountain you wind up the elastic band and hope that the prop gets you out of the way
"GLIDER"
Beautiful walkthrough 👌👍
Прикольно, он такой разговорчивый, всякие звуки подает)
I'm from BRAZIL, Very Good !
Who makes those jet sustaining gliders? I saw a new product a while back that uses electric driven wheels for take off augmented by jet propulsion for flight. Can't remember who is trying to develop it yet seems a very efficient use of energy as wheel traction is far better for take off and requires power for only a 15 second burn allowing the battery to be small. Thereafter once up to speed jet propulsion can prevail with optimum efficiency.
I also heard about a similar project, but with electrical motor also for flying. There are so many cool things to test :)
@@SteFly I will try to find it...and post it here.
@@PaulAnthonyDuttonUk Please do. I think it would be great to have a trolley that falls off the plane after the wheels power it forward.
www.proairsport.com/project-glow.php www.planeandpilotmag.com/article/jet-powered-glider/#.XYT46FRKiM8
@@JoshWeaverRC I found it then forgot to post it. www.proairsport.com/project-glow.php www.planeandpilotmag.com/article/jet-powered-glider/#.XYT46FRKiM8
The gliders with the solar panels on the wings are cool .
Anyone know roughly how much the price?
No one has ever finished paying for one to know.
You can get an old timer glider for $10.000, and a top performance competition for $200.000, there are many possibilities
140K Euros depending on how you kit it out.
Amazing glider stephan
We all could be traveling like this
I DEFINITELY WANT IT! I WANT IT WITH 2 SEATS!!!
Cool glider! They’ve come a long way from the old Blanic’s my dad used to fly me in as a kid!
I have 2 of these. They are awesome. Going with my Rolls Royce to the Airport ever weekend.
Muito bom o vôo, parabéns
Beautiful plane i believed i can fly,Nice xplained
Very nice sailplane. Love sailplane flying.
I love this design, it is so compact-minimal!
I like technology with the less needed possible( if you could allow me to say that for your project)
Looks great. All it's missing is solar cells covering the wings and fuselage.
He said the battery was from 15-20 kilowatts, the wing doesn't have enough dimensions to justify solar cells (would take days to recharge them fully, and you don't leave a glider like that out in the sun).
@@freddyfourfingerz9126...you don't have to fully charge the batteries; it's extra power and range so why not?