Canon EF 600 f/4 + 1.4 TC versus Canon RF 800 f/11

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  • @bobbramley2879
    @bobbramley2879 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I have an ef 500 F4, the rf F11 800 and the rf 100-500 with an R5. I have to say my go to lens is the 100-500, but the 800 f11 is what I also use especially if I am hiking longer distances. I find I am using my 500 f4 less and less these days. It is a fantastic time to be a photographer with the awesome capability of these lenses and cameras.

  • @susiemark54
    @susiemark54 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for a great comparison video, Ron! I have to say the RF 800 lens was a godsend to me, as I'm dealing with arthritis now and can't hand-hold those heavy lenses any longer. I've been really happy with it so far. :)

  • @paullanoue5228
    @paullanoue5228 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It won’t be long until AI software will allows us blur any background until our hearts are content. This technology is already getting started in portrait photography. Great video ! Thanks you always provide thoughtful and practical insights.

  • @brucegraner5901
    @brucegraner5901 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's nice to know Canon is thinking of wildlife photographers on a budget or who just can't see themselves carrying the weight of a 600 or 500 f4 lens. Portability isn't a feature to be underestimated. Thanks for a great review.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well said!

    • @peterebel7899
      @peterebel7899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is the path to get photo enthusiasts and nature enthusiasts to buy in Canon equipment.

  • @2daybrich
    @2daybrich ปีที่แล้ว

    Ron, just wanted to say thanks for the very informative and useful content you post. I normally watch your channel on my TV and their is no option to leave a comment. But I will make an effort to logon onto my laptop or tablet and leave more comments. I’ve use your info on all of my canon cameras and they work great for me with a little tweaking for how I shoot.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey, thanks so much. Always good to hear my content is helping folks. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ron

  • @Galo1955
    @Galo1955 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a RF 800 f/11 but have not use it a lot yet... You have convince me to give it another chance . Thanks as always very instructive clips.

  • @paullanoue5228
    @paullanoue5228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for a real world perspective.

  • @amacmedia3221
    @amacmedia3221 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I’d be interested to see a fair comparison done in somewhere like Scotland in the winter with light fading rapidly, at f11 I’d not hold out much hope, give me a 600 f4 lens every time

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Of course. This is the case for many things. You need the right tool for the job. In low light the 600 f/4 is the obvious choice for action shots. For static subjects I have found low light to less of an issue due to the very good IS/IBIS performance. For under $1000 the 800 f/11 is a great lens that is pretty capable once you get the knack for shooting it.

    • @amacmedia3221
      @amacmedia3221 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whistlingwingsphotography I really enjoyed your comparison as it’s something I have wondered about, but I would love the rf 600mm f4 or 800 f5.6 if they are released

  • @wklein24
    @wklein24 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great comparison....lots of great info, Ron!

  • @xmj6830
    @xmj6830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I dream of a 800 f8 for $2000 or even 3000! 1 stop difference only would kill the great white 😁

  • @efrainsain945
    @efrainsain945 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Appreciate your review. I have had the 800 f11 for a couple of years and it is awesome. Weight is a big plus. I am 69 but quite in shape. Still, I do not want to carry and handle all that weight of the big teles. The quality of the images with the 800 are amazing. Canon’s pairing of the lens with the R5 with all the technology works quite well. I keep reading from people who are not about to even take a test of the lens. That is their loss. In low light, I will use a 400mm DO II with a 1.4 iii converter. It gets me 560mm at 5.6 and works well. But even that light setup is so heavy compared to the 800 f11.

  • @JPLamoureuxsTravels
    @JPLamoureuxsTravels 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff Ron! Thanks for putting this together really enjoyed it 😉👍

  • @nordic5490
    @nordic5490 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great review. Thanks.

  • @ghlocal1
    @ghlocal1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Ron. I kept looking at the picture of the snail kite and noticed that creamy background. I bet that was taken with a 600mm f/4! But in all seriousness, the 800mm f/11 looks like a great value for the money. Plus it’s light weight and easy to handle. I’m definitely intrigued!!

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, the 800 has its place in my kit. It is not for every scenario, but it is more versatile than you might think.

  • @popcornparam
    @popcornparam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    7:35. When you said the R5 is not as fast as the 1dxiii I got shattered.
    Are you serious ?? Can you explain more???

    • @bjarnehansen3812
      @bjarnehansen3812 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's true for big whites. The 1DX mk ii battery has a higher voltage and can drive heavy glass faster. You can physically feel the big glass moving faster during focus on a 1DX mk ii compared to 7D mk ii, R5 ... I haven't noticed a difference with lightweight glasses though there might be a small difference as well.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When I am talking speed I am talking speed of the AF in cycling from way out of focus to in focus. The R5 is slower than the 1D bodies because the voltage is lower and thus it cannot drive the motors as quickly. With regards to fps speed, the R5 is 20 fps, so it is very fast.

    • @popcornparam
      @popcornparam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow. Totally didn't know that the bigger voltage batteries made a difference. Thankyou for the valueble info

    • @peterebel7899
      @peterebel7899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@popcornparam Holding a big white mouthed to a 1DX you really can feel the power of AF response in your finger tips.
      So AF response is almost like a lightning strike.
      I never had this feeling with any other combination.
      But AF with the R5 has other advantages ....

  • @chrisbainbridge4778
    @chrisbainbridge4778 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Ron, great review. I have had the RF800mm for about 8 months now and am very impressed with the image quality - I would agree with you that the f11 is not as big an issue as most people imagine, but it does make you think about your settings much more to try and keep the dreaded ISO down. I think a lot of people maybe buy the 100-500 because they can't believe a $900 lens can be any good. Adding a 1.4 to the 100-500 brings it close to F11 anyway and the image quality is very similar. My only gripe is not being able to manually correct focus in servo mode - to lock back onto a flying bird, but not a massive problem. Having said that will not be getting rid of my 600 F4 II any time soon - just need to get someone to carry it for me. Great kite shots by the way - what a bird!

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chris, thanks so much for your comment. I agree with everything you stated. I won''t be getting rid of my 600 either. Take care. Ron

  • @topilot
    @topilot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great comparison on these two lenses. I have the RF 600 f11 and have been very impressed with it so far. The EF 600 f/4 out of my price range but good to know how it performs.

  • @gossedejong9248
    @gossedejong9248 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you, Sir, brilliant as usual

  • @courtney727ray
    @courtney727ray ปีที่แล้ว

    Have a R5C and a RF 1-500mm. I didnt have the reach in some instances so I just bought the 800 f11 and it showed it at the door today.

  • @mattsekman376
    @mattsekman376 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tanks for the video

  • @jla364
    @jla364 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, thanks for the video :) In the section where you mentioned the 600 f4 has more sharpness and detail than the 800 f11 did you also mean the 600 f4 with 1.4 extender has more sharpness and detail over the 800 f11? Just checking as the extender wasn't mentioned, thanks

  • @v8gtr
    @v8gtr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the RF800 with my R5! I *do* like to get the whole subject (mainly birds) in focus and I dont *dislike* having more of the background in focus :) I found the bokeh to be very smooth which is more important to me as are the cost and weight.
    I also found that firmware upgrade 1.5.2 made a noticeable difference to tracking on the R5 especially eye tracking.
    The RF800mm has become my favourite lens for wildlife, tack sharp and excellent stabalisation. The R5 deals with ISO6400 extremely well and even up to 12,800 but I also use Topaz deNoise to get really clean images.
    One question though, does the EF600mm T/C / R5 combo give you the same stabalisation as the RF800mm / R5 combo? I might have missed that in your video ..

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey, thanks for watching. I agree the 800 f/11 is a great lens for the price point. The IS/IBIS performance on the EF600 is not quite as good, but it is still very good.

  • @gpfeiffer1
    @gpfeiffer1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am very happy with the800 f11. It is obviously not an early morning or after sunset lens, but performs excellently in good light. I find sharpness to be on par with the 100-500 RF. As for birds in flight, I’m not good enough to keep up with a 800mm lens. Much prefer the 100-500.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      For static subjects I have had great luck with the 800 in low light; mornings and evenings. The IS/IBIS allows for very slow shutter speeds and still getting sharp images. For action in low light it just does not work due to f/11. Thanks for the comment.

  • @cous261
    @cous261 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Big thanks on the info for the RF 800 F11 as I love how you break it down not in just a comparison but actually what you see and can take with the lens and the pros and cons budget wise for the average beginner and the hobbie shooter as far as get lens at low to high cost that as myself am learning and may give me a lot better idea to the lens and what I'm trying to shoot and use the lens I purchase for the shooting I want to do in wildlife and regular shooting. These kind of videos are more what we need than just a comparison as it's way more informative and better information as I see it and helps the average shooter learn to become better in their work that may even lead to more professional shooting as you do and safe someone like me a lot of dough on lens that may turn out to be not near what I need. Thanks again and be safe.

  • @JGZphotography
    @JGZphotography 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting video understanding two extreme values. While money can be an issue between the compared lenses. The non-professional will pick the lower cost, unless money and ego are no objects. RF 800 F/11 will be great in bright daylight until late sunset or early sunrise. I would safely say, that if giving National Geographic the lens choice, I know it won't be the f/11 lens. I have used my Canon EF 400mm 2.8 with a 2x TC = 800mm at f/5.6 with an EF/RF adapter on my R3, and it's super great for wildlife photography, but care to avoid long distances due to heat waves distorting the image.

  • @andyambrose4517
    @andyambrose4517 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative video Ron...people I've spoken to have said they wouldn't touch the f11 lenses. Here in UK we aren't guaranteed continous good light but personally I see it as a reasonable alternative to my 100-500 + 1.4 and gives me the extra 100mm reach.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hear that a lot. The statements about not having good light were people live and shoot. It is not like we have good light all the time here in the States either. Heck, in the winter in the north where I come from you may not see the sun for a month or two. We also shoot early mornings and late evenings when the light is low. So, it really depends on what you want the 800 f/11 to do for you. If you shoot nothing but action, then it may have limited vailue. But, if you shoot static subjects a lot then it may have great value especially if you have to hike long distances or need to get into tight spaces to get your shots. Overall, for me, for the price point it was an easy buy given the relatively good IQ the lens produces. Cheers. Ron

  • @isotechimages.9130
    @isotechimages.9130 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Almost pulled the trigger on the 800 F11 but decided to stick with my Tamron 150/600 g2 with 1.4 converter. Was hoping it would be easier on my dodgy neck and shoulder for handholding but as light as it is it made no difference it just the position of handholding is no good so monopod it is.

  • @daviddigby5122
    @daviddigby5122 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video, Ron. It, along with some other reviews, persuaded me to borrow an R5 + 800mm/F11 + 1.4 extender. I was very impressed! It may not be an “L” lens, but the extra reach along with the R5’s extra pixels resulted in significant improvement on my 7D Mk II + 100-100mm Mk II. (It even performed well with the extender, again better than the EF setup.) My only concern is that most of my bird photography involves walking around a location, finding different habitats with (hopefully) some nice, cooperative birds. For this I travel light, just the 7D + 100-400mm lens (and occasionally a macro lens if I’m expecting interesting flowers/insects etc or a wide-angle if I’m walking up a mountain/by a lake etc expecting some nice views. These are carried in a pocket or hip-bag). I feel I would need both the 100-400mm (or an upgrade to the RF 100-500mm) plus the 800mm, if I moved to the R5. The zoom would be on for walking around, as it is so flexible, and the 800mm when I needed more each. The problem with that is how best to carry the second lens, so that it is easily accessible for a quick change, ideally belt/hip attached (or get very deep pockets - pun intended). Any thoughts or suggestions?

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You could carry the 800 on a shoulder strap connected via the foot mount thread on the 800. When you need it you just bring the lens up and attach it to the camera then placing the 100-400 in your pouch or similar.

  • @fintanmctiernan8284
    @fintanmctiernan8284 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, yet again. Have your ever tested the RF 100 to 500 in crop (1.6x) mode for image quality -v- the RF 800 F/11 ? If not, please consider it.

    • @bjarnehansen3812
      @bjarnehansen3812 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Crop mode doesn't give better IQ than cropping FF pictures in post. The only advantages of crop mode are a zoomed picture in the viewfinder, smaller files and maybe a little less rolling shutter with electronic shutter. You will get much less PPD (pixels per duck) at 500mm cropped compared to 800mm. You could consider the 100-500 with a 1.4 extender as an alternative: 700mm f/10 vs. 800mm f/11.

    • @fintanmctiernan8284
      @fintanmctiernan8284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bjarnehansen3812 I have the RF 1.4 extender. When I can fill the frame with an image in crop mode, the image quality is very good, it may not be as good as the FF cropped in but it's very close and close to negligible as far as I can see from the images I have taken with the R5 and the RF 100 to 500.
      The RF 100-500 is in my opinion is the most versatile and excellent lens that Canon has produced.

    • @bjarnehansen3812
      @bjarnehansen3812 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fintanmctiernan8284 I agree - the 100-500 is excellent though it need some light for action and it can't blur backgrounds like the big whites. I have the R5 + 100-500L + RF 1.4x as well. It is a super small and lightweight package with excellent quality though not cheap. I don't use the heavy gear much these days.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The main advantage of cropping in post processing rather than in camera is that you can crop to the best composition. If you crop in camera you can't back out you can only crop more. Thus, I don't use crop mode, I crop in post. Cheers. Ron

  • @zamtoka
    @zamtoka 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the wonderful video. I am really tempted to buy this 800mm11 with the R6 ( cant afford R5)...do you think it would be fine for birds in fight like Ospreys? I noticed most of your flight shots were taken with the 100-500. Thank you

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is great for BIF as long as you have enough light to get your shutter speeds up where you want them and also can deal with the restricted AF zone in the viewfinder. Thanks for the comment. Cheers.. Ron

    • @zamtoka
      @zamtoka 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whistlingwingsphotography Thanks Ron. Really appreciate the response. Kind of you!

  • @thelensmanphotography
    @thelensmanphotography 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The RF 600 F4 is the 600 EF F4 III with an RF adapter so it is slightly heavier. The DOF solution for the EF 600 is to shoot at f7.1 getting the eye and body of the bird in focus (unless its a big bird) and not having to go to f11. The real test is to shoot in the sweet light with both lenses and the 600 will shine...

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The 600 f/4s by Canon shine all the time. They are just that good, but you pay for it. The 800 f/11 at less than $1000 is very capable under a lot of scenarios, but it is not and never will be a 600 f/4. That said, if you need 800mm and need to hike miles in the mountains, the 600 f/4 is often not an option for me. The 800 worked for me and got me images I never would have been able to get into position for if I was lugging my 600 f/4.

  • @ponderingnugget
    @ponderingnugget 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you tried using extension tubes on the 800mm lens to reduce the minimum focus distance? I'm curious how well that would work before I consider purchasing this lens.

  • @christianwetzel1862
    @christianwetzel1862 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the comparison, very informative! How much of an issue has the restricted AF frame of the 800mm been for you, as one would expect a lot of missed shots especially of birds in flight?

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Actually, for birds in flight I find the R5 does best with AF initial acquisition with the bird at the center of the frame, so the restricted AF is not an issue. Where it is more of an issue is with static subjects that you want to recompose. You can't actively do it when in eye detection, so I go the old route and use spot AF to get focus and then let off the back button and then recompose and take the shot.

  • @stellagrimsdale1885
    @stellagrimsdale1885 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. I have the 100-500mm with the 1.4 extender which as u know takes me to f10. Do u think the 800mm f11 is sharper than this combo? That would give me a reason to get it, as I can't decide

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would say the IQ is similar. But you do get 100mm more reach with the 800 versus the 700mm you get with the 100-500 and 1.4x TC. 100mm is a lot to gain IMO.

  • @419tommy
    @419tommy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What shutterspeeds are you using for stationary and flying birds when using the 800 f/11 on sunny days

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you follow the link in the Description of the video you will get to a gallery of images. The meta data for each image is available including the shutter speeds. In general anywhere from 1/30s on stationary birds to 1/3200s on flight shots.

  • @stephencooper5155
    @stephencooper5155 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting video. Personally I find out hard to compare as by the time I'd read what lens used in the top right, the picture was gone! :) I do't think I'll be buying an F11 any time soon though. I live in the UK and light is a constant battle!

  • @djack4125
    @djack4125 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why turn off IBIS when panning BIF?

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because early on in my use of the R5 the IBIS had issues when panning. Firmware updates have fixed most of the issues. However, for very erratic subjects I still turn it off as it does not keep up with the fast motion very well. Fast shutter speeds and accurate panning do the job.

    • @djack4125
      @djack4125 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whistlingwingsphotography I will give it a try with IS and IBIS off. Thanks for all the info on your channel.

  • @DenisDolisy
    @DenisDolisy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the informative video.
    I have an R5 with the 100-500 and the RF 1.4 TC (that I mostly don't use because of AF speed and accuracy).
    Do you think it would be useful to get the RF800 as a complement to those or am I better off saving my money ?

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you use your 100-500 without a TC then the 800 will give you a focal length you don't currently approach. Thus, it might be worth having the 800 in your kit. The IQ is great and the AF is responsive, but limited to the center of the frame, so that is something to be aware of.

    • @DenisDolisy
      @DenisDolisy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whistlingwingsphotography Thank you. But how would the 800 compare to the 100-500 with TC (which I find a bit lacking in AF accuracy, at least in European conditions) ? For now I get better results with the 100-500 cropped than with the TC, so it would only be interesting if the 800 does better at AF. Maybe F9 or F11 isn't really suited for those conditions even with the R5.
      I wouldn't mind the limited focus area but rather the very high minimum focusing distance.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DenisDolisy The minimum focusing distance can be annoying for sure, so depending on how close your subjects tend to be the 800 may not work for you. Regarding AF performance, I find the 100-500 + TC and the 800mm to be very similar. I have used both in low light and I have not been left wanting with regards to the AF when paired with the R5. Everyone is different in their shooting style etc., so I always recommend a person rent or borrow a lens before they buy if that is possible. Cheers.

    • @DenisDolisy
      @DenisDolisy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whistlingwingsphotography Sorry for the long delay, i was very busy the last days.
      Thanks a lot for the answer, that's exactly what i wanted to know.
      As they are very similiar in AF performance, i'm better off staying with the 100-500 + TC as i do most of my shooting while walking around and my subjects can sometimes be as close as 3m (or even less for butterflies and bees) and if i need more reach i have the option to attach the TC. Cheers.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DenisDolisy Sounds like a good plan. I love the flex. of zoom lenses. Cheers.

  • @jasonpalmer2497
    @jasonpalmer2497 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    what about the MFD for small birds how does it handle cropping

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The MFD for small birds works; just. Cropping is not an issue that I have found. The IQ you get with the lens, at least my copy, is very good and that is a big part of hour larger crops come out IMO.

  • @yorkshirekoi2246
    @yorkshirekoi2246 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    can i ask a question on the 100-400 II is focus much quicker on a 1dx vs 7d I did some testing some years ago and found focus on a 600d and 7d was very slow whats your opinion ?

  • @fasuego
    @fasuego ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and great comparison video👍

  • @kennethlui2268
    @kennethlui2268 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Big prime lens for spots where you sit and wait. I also use RF 100-500 and occasionally add RF 1.4x when I need to walk or hike a distance. RF 800 f11 is great value, especially for birders or beginners. But its AF is in the box in the center of the frame; it requires recomposition if you want the subject positioned outside the center box. But I wouldn't mind having a RF 800 f11 in my tool box.

  • @panomsuk397
    @panomsuk397 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    For EF600 M2 with R5+ EF-RF Adapter, EF 1.4X on the lens side or RF 1.4 X on the camera side would be a better performance? Thank you

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Given that the EF Teleconverters are, for all intents and purposes, made for use with EF lenses and RF with RF lenses, I always use the EF Teleconverters with EF lenses. Let me explain a bit further. A Teleconverter has optical elements as do the lenses, so they are made to “match” up with like (EF to EF and RF to RF) lenses’ optical formulas the best. Thus EF teles with EF lenses and RF teles with RF lenses. Thus, I do not use RF Teleconverters with EF lenses.
      Cheers,
      Ron

    • @panomsuk397
      @panomsuk397 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whistlingwingsphotography Thanks Ron, your comment is clear reasoning think about the optic in 1.4X TC that should optically match the lens used.

  • @mvp_kryptonite
    @mvp_kryptonite ปีที่แล้ว

    The 600/800 f11 combo is impressive. It allows one to handhold and take pictures. Yes the brighter the light the better the return in terms of sharpness and contrast but you don’t need to sink thousands into one lens when you can own both of these. R7 and 600/11 was my choice

  • @michaellewis5921
    @michaellewis5921 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting report and means a lot coming from a true pro level bird photographer. I don't recall if you have done a similar comparative look at the 800 F/11 versus the RF 100-500 with the RF 1.4x extender. That is the trade space I find myself in, as I am a happy owner of the RF 100-500 (purchased partially based on your excellent field tests of that lens) and am trying to decide between paying the $500 for the RF extender (with the tradeoffs in zoom range and longer length) versus paying a little more for the 800 f/11 (and then having to have 2 lenses.) It seems like with the limitations of zooming on the RF 100-500 using the extender that one almost has the same constraints as having 2 separate lenses anyway. This is relevant seeing as how I have only 1 R5 and cannot afford a second body. I'm guessing though from this report above that if the IQ differences are not super evident between the 600 f/4 and the 800 f/11 that would imply an even smaller IQ delta between the 100-500 with 1.4x and the 800 f/11, with of course now the apertures also being basically identical too. So interested in what you see as the best decision for 100-500 owners between just buying the extender versus buying the separate 800mm lens...

    • @jamesgoodall7092
      @jamesgoodall7092 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have exactly the same dilema and change my mind daily on wether to pair a 1.4 teleconverter with the RF 100-500 or just get the RF 800/11. My head says get the RF800/11 first as the cropping ability on the R5 is so good when using the RF100-500. Can then think about getting the teleconverter later. I also have in the back of my mind if I pick up a R3 with 24MP I would probably want the RF800/11 due too less cropping ability. Other consideration though is lack of weather sealing on the 800mm, whereas maintain this with the 100-500mm and 1.4 TC.

    • @michaellewis5921
      @michaellewis5921 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamesgoodall7092 James - all good points. It's a tough decision as it seems like there are advantages to both approaches.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      you can always use a rain cover on the 800mm given the weather sealing is not the greatest.

  • @androidstreak
    @androidstreak 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    F11 800 is for practice
    600mm f4.0 is for real on field professional

    • @v8gtr
      @v8gtr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Streak and for body building ...

    • @androidstreak
      @androidstreak 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@v8gtr no pain no gain 😀

    • @garymak3299
      @garymak3299 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I sense a kind of "real men drive cars with stick shifts" type of nuance here, as if one is always better than the other, for some reason. (And even that trope is way outdated now.) I think you missed his point on the video. The comparison was on features vs. needs and one was not better than the other in all circumstances. IQ was marginally better - emphasizing marginally - in some circumstances on the 840/ƒ5.6 (don't forget to count the 1.4x tele adds 1.4ƒ-stop and marginal degradation of IQ as all teleconverters do) under certain conditions, as good or not as good under other conditions. And without the teleconverter, the comparison is between a 600mm and an 800mm, which at that point, one is comparing apple to oranges. The conclusion was to consider what you need for the conditions you normally usually shoot in as neither lens will cover them all.

  • @kilohotel6750
    @kilohotel6750 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those F11’s with an R6 are great options for someone looking to get into wildlife photography on a budget. Still not cheap but compared to the F4’s or the 100-500 it’s not bad.
    I thought they were nuts when I first heard about them but Canon new what they were doing and these lenses are great to get people to buy into a new mount system.

    • @paullanoue5228
      @paullanoue5228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The R6 is a great match for the F11 lens because of the 20 megapixel sensor. There will be less diffraction at F11 because of the larger pixels of the 20 megapixel sensor. Therefore there will be less bleed over onto surrounding pixels.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, I agree. Thanks for the comment.

  • @theflyingdutchman7127
    @theflyingdutchman7127 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for the informative video. there is nothing wrong with the image quality of the 800/11, it does have its limitations, but for the money it is a fine lens. with very nice image quality. Do you have the canon EF 600mm f4 ii as compared to the canon 600mm Rf 600mm f4 . I am considering buying one of the two .

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have the EF 600 II as the RF is not available yet. The RF will have better AF and IS/IBIS performance over the EF 600 given it will have better communication with the camera. If you are in the market and can afford the RF 600 I would go that route over the EF version.

    • @theflyingdutchman7127
      @theflyingdutchman7127 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whistlingwingsphotography hi Ron
      thanks for your quick response . it is also not yet available in the Netherlands. that does not matter . then I can continue to save for the Rf version.
      with kind regards

  • @Rascallucci
    @Rascallucci 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The bokeh is not my main worry here, it is what it is. My main concern is that massively shrunk down focusing area. I got to say I tip my hat off to you to be shooting BIF within the confines of such a small focusing area. That is hard to do especially for fast-flying species. For perched birds, of course there is no problem. But, that shrunk down focusing area is what has been holding me back in getting one.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for the comment. The way I look at the reduced focusing area is in relation to what I used to have to do with my DSLR Canon 1DxII and the like. The focusing area with those cameras was a single AF point in or near the center of the frame. It was my job to keep that one very small single square on the bird. In comparison, the focusing area of the 800 f/11 in eye detect AF is huge. It is all relative to what you are used to doing and for me the new AF systems almost make it too easy. Cheers. Ron

  • @stevemurnan1702
    @stevemurnan1702 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These two lenses and 1.4ex mk3 are my birding lenses. I wouldn't be without the RF800mm as its portability gets me shots I wouldn't otherwise get. I've used it for BIF with great success and I'm in the UK and can manage the light issues involved without too much of a problem. The RF800 shouldn't be as good as it is for the money. It's a bargain imho.

    • @v8gtr
      @v8gtr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Steve Murnan- totally agree with your comments about the RF800 ...

  • @blisteringbooks2428
    @blisteringbooks2428 ปีที่แล้ว

    You seemed to concentrate on bokeh, I would be more interest in the difference in sharpness, is the 600mm worth ten times the price. I use a 100-400Lii with a x2, it might be interesting to compare sharpness there. Only now I have retired I can no longer justify expensive kit.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  ปีที่แล้ว

      For me, the sharpness of so many of these lenses are so good that the difference is of little consequence. Sure, the 13k lens is sharper, has better contrast, etc. But do you really need "the best." Only you can answer that question. These days with the better sharpening available via programs such as Topaz, ultimate sharpness in your RAW image is not a necessity. A lot I could add to this topic, but in the end it would be hard to buy a camera and lens these days what would not provide high quality images that would be useful for most people.

  • @Ericbjohnston5150
    @Ericbjohnston5150 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd take the ef 600 and pair it with the 7Dmk2.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I liked the 7Dmk2 in its day, but the ISO performance of the R5 is very much superior and at 45mp. Put a 1.4x on the EF 600 and the image quality and AF performance etc are very good on the R5.

  • @peterb.7437
    @peterb.7437 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol nice video comparisons though, sunny part of the world yes it’s good plus newer technology but still 600mm II is much more superior of the 2.

  • @kevins8575
    @kevins8575 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rf600 f/4L: $13,000. Rf600 f/11: $700. 18:1. Is the performance 18 times as good?? If you can write it off as a business deduction, OK.

  • @yorkshirekoi2246
    @yorkshirekoi2246 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    are you forgetting you can stop down to f11 on the 600mm if you want to.

  • @gregoryrogalsky6937
    @gregoryrogalsky6937 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    To me 800 F11 image lack something.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They do lack some of the contrast you get with some of the other lenses, but for the price the images are pretty nice IMO.

  • @Stefan1968ful
    @Stefan1968ful 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really cannot take the Canon 800mm f/11. On the R5, the autofocus is slow and unreliable, especially when the lighting isn’t perfect. And the optical quality…oh man…it’s like using an M43 System. Not bad but also no good, I don’t like it.

    • @whistlingwingsphotography
      @whistlingwingsphotography  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can't say that I have had the experiences you have had. I find the AF to be quite fast and the IQ to be very good. I wonder if you have a copy that is not up to snuff.

    • @Stefan1968ful
      @Stefan1968ful 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@whistlingwingsphotography The copy is good. In Good light it’s all or less ok. Just when the light becomes more tricky, the autofocus speed and performance is simply not acceptable for me. I personally cannot recommend this lens but this depends where you come from. If you start new with Wildlife or you have a limited budget then this May be an option.

  • @helloianzakharov
    @helloianzakharov 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    RF 800 f/11 picture has no charm. Snapshot lens (for my taste)

  • @Jerry23555
    @Jerry23555 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gift me the lens 600mm

  • @policeluber6720
    @policeluber6720 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hunters that never could hit anything turn into “bird photographers “ that need a 6 grand camera and have a 15 grand lens.