Looks like Mr. Martin has a lot of de butchering to do. Interesting the people who made the pocket watch very highly skilled and knowledgeable, on the other hand sure seems the pocket watch service and repair sure falls way short of the skills and knowledge to correctly service a pocket watch. I am still amazed at the technology and technical skills, engineering that was developed to make these fine time pieces way back in the 1800 hundreds. Hopefully the owner will allow you Mr. Martin to do your top tier service on this beautiful pocket watch. If so be very nice to see. Thanks for another video post. Best Kristy
Thank you again for looking at it. At least it's clean and those bugs are out now. Maybe one day I can get it fixed up. Breaks my heart what some butchers do.
No problem, wish I could have done more, rust damage along with workmanship damage has not been kind to this movement. Parts including balance staffs are no longer available for these any more so, many man hours of specialized labor needed for it to be a good timekeeper again. One thing it has going for it is that it displays well and runs with a couple of winds.
Hello Sir, very nice pocket watch with carvings on the movement looks very nice and signature for the craftsmanship at the time of production. Thank You.
@@jamesmartin5370 Yes Sir. In the era of quartz watches, we could no be able to see or limited to see such mechanical wonders in the modern days. It's our fortune that with the aid of your TH-cam channel, we can see such things. Thank you so much sir for your efforts in making such knowledgeable and informative videos.
Fun and special to see. Thank you for the time it took to prepare this report. Wait and see if you can convince the owner for a thorough renovation. Greetings Arie.
With all the jewels that need replacing and the balance wheel issues and the rust you are looking at many hours of work to restore this movement and the owner is looking at a sizable repair bill. I hope the owner has you restore it and you show us how you deal with all the issues. Another great video.
I enjoy these videos very much. You said something very interesting when you said you had to make your own tools. Someday would you consider talking about how you became a watchmaker. The kind of training you recieved. Also is watchmaking similar to toolmaking? Thanks very much.
Wow that pocket watch has been thru the ringer. Hopefully he proceeds with the restoration. Will be interesting to watch you give it a new lease on life. That looked like it was a really nice pocket watch before the butchers got ahold of it.
@@jamesmartin5370 I can tell it's a quality piece. Hopefully the customer proceeds with the restoration. I lived in Springfield, IL for 21/2 years when I first started flying for the regional airlines. Illinois is where my airline career started - met my wife there and the rest is history. lol - how time flies.
Mr Martin do you know the history of people using band aid bushings I’m curious how people came up with that and what people surely they weren’t clock repairer people
Some movements have adjustable pallet arbors on them installed from the factory. A brass plate/arm held in with one screw, loosen the screw, rotate the plate, to adjust the pallet depth to escape wheel teeth. These band aid bushings/Rathbun bushings came from the same principal as these adjustable pallet arbors. They are still available at some clock supply houses. Most older American movements had pivots that protruded past the plates so were used on them. It was a fast repair that required no disassemble, makes for a quick turnaround. I have removed many of them, they work but make a bit of a mess of a movement.
Peoria had about a dozen different grades, all had a max. of 15 jewels, this one is not one of their railroad grades. By 1899, most railroads required watches to have least 17 jewels so Peoria watches were no longer accepted.
Lots of rust, cracked and chipped jewels, incorrect prior repairs, damage from previous work... at what point do you decide that a watch is unsalvageable?
The shed insect skin looks like it's from a dermestid larva. These guys eat dried skin, hair, and other dead insects. He probably crawled into the watch by mistake.
@@jamesmartin5370 That's a possibility. In any case, it's not clear to me how they got into the watch..... unless it had lain open on the bench during some earlier intervention, and they crawled in before the watch was cased.
I have a clock I need to send to you. Very old. It is located in the foyer of our church. Very large. 180 year old Presbyterian Church. Is this something that you might be interested in. The clock hasn’t run in the last 36 years I have been attending this church.
There is plenty of work to do on this watch! I am interested in how you would deal with the rust removal and jewel replacement when the customer approves the repairs. Is there any way of stabilizing or removing the acid rosin solder on the dial or would it need to be re-done?
I only discovered this channel yesterday, and I already have a new go-to phrase: "SIGN OF A BUTCHER"
LOL,
Its a phrase that says a lot...
Looks like Mr. Martin has a lot of de butchering to do. Interesting the people who made the pocket watch very highly skilled and knowledgeable, on the other hand sure seems the pocket watch service and repair sure falls way short of the skills and knowledge to correctly service a pocket watch. I am still amazed at the technology and technical skills, engineering that was developed to make these fine time pieces way back in the 1800 hundreds.
Hopefully the owner will allow you Mr. Martin to do your top tier service on this beautiful pocket watch. If so be very nice to see. Thanks for another video post.
Best
Kristy
Thanks Kristy,
Yes, amazing there were such precision developed back then
Very beautiful watch, looking forward to the continuation 👍
Amazing the precision from such a long time ago on these pieces.
I agree and besides, they always have their own individual style and charm.
Thank you again for looking at it. At least it's clean and those bugs are out now. Maybe one day I can get it fixed up. Breaks my heart what some butchers do.
No problem, wish I could have done more, rust damage along with workmanship damage has not been kind to this movement.
Parts including balance staffs are no longer available for these any more so, many man hours of specialized labor needed for it to be a good timekeeper again. One thing it has going for it is that it displays well and runs with a couple of winds.
Nice detailed video. I hope we get to see a repair If the customer wants to save it.
David
Thanks Dave,
Customer has decided its not economically feasible to repair.
@@jamesmartin5370 Expected, but also sad.
Great video as usual James. It is always interesting to watch your work. I look forward to seeing you work your magic on this lovely watch.
Thanks, its up tot he owner now.
Hello Sir, very nice pocket watch with carvings on the movement looks very nice and signature for the craftsmanship at the time of production. Thank You.
Thank You,
A fine example of a very early production piece.
@@jamesmartin5370 Yes Sir. In the era of quartz watches, we could no be able to see or limited to see such mechanical wonders in the modern days.
It's our fortune that with the aid of your TH-cam channel, we can see such things. Thank you so much sir for your efforts in making such knowledgeable and informative videos.
I hope you will be able to show a full restoration!
Hope so as well, its up to the owner now.
Fun and special to see.
Thank you for the time it took to prepare this report.
Wait and see if you can convince the owner for a thorough renovation.
Greetings Arie.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Fingers crossed you get to restore the poacket watch.
Still undecided.
Fascinating piece. Certainly worth the restoration if only for its place in horological history.
Thank You
With all the jewels that need replacing and the balance wheel issues and the rust you are looking at many hours of work to restore this movement and the owner is looking at a sizable repair bill. I hope the owner has you restore it and you show us how you deal with all the issues. Another great video.
I as well, still up in the air right now.
I enjoy these videos very much. You said something very interesting when you said you had to make your own tools. Someday would you consider talking about how you became a watchmaker. The kind of training you recieved. Also is watchmaking similar to toolmaking? Thanks very much.
I hope the customer wants you to fix this one. Very interesting.
Still in the decision stage.
Wow that pocket watch has been thru the ringer. Hopefully he proceeds with the restoration. Will be interesting to watch you give it a new lease on life. That looked like it was a really nice pocket watch before the butchers got ahold of it.
Yes,
Very old, Peoria company only existed for about 10 years, they were one of the best in their class.
@@jamesmartin5370 I can tell it's a quality piece. Hopefully the customer proceeds with the restoration.
I lived in Springfield, IL for 21/2 years when I first started flying for the regional airlines. Illinois is where my airline career started - met my wife there and the rest is history. lol - how time flies.
Always surprised by older watchmakers who thought "Oh, I do it this way, what the customer doesn't know doesn't make him feel bad".
The owner of any mechanical machine that needs periodic maintenance.
Will soon find there are good, bad and ugly mechanics.
Mr Martin do you know the history of people using band aid bushings I’m curious how people came up with that and what people surely they weren’t clock repairer people
Some movements have adjustable pallet arbors on them installed from the factory.
A brass plate/arm held in with one screw, loosen the screw, rotate the plate, to adjust the pallet depth to escape wheel teeth.
These band aid bushings/Rathbun bushings came from the same principal as these adjustable pallet arbors.
They are still available at some clock supply houses.
Most older American movements had pivots that protruded past the plates so were used on them.
It was a fast repair that required no disassemble, makes for a quick turnaround.
I have removed many of them, they work but make a bit of a mess of a movement.
I find it interesting that a Railroad model has only 15 jewels.
Peoria had about a dozen different grades, all had a max. of 15 jewels, this one is not one of their railroad grades.
By 1899, most railroads required watches to have least 17 jewels so Peoria watches were no longer accepted.
A beautiful, but butchered, watch! Hope the owner decides to fix it!
Thank You
Lots of rust, cracked and chipped jewels, incorrect prior repairs, damage from previous work... at what point do you decide that a watch is unsalvageable?
Final decision is up to the client.
It was decided to not restore, will be preserved as a display item only.
Who ever worked on this watch ruined a piece of watch history.
Yes, its been crippled.
The shed insect skin looks like it's from a dermestid larva. These guys eat dried skin, hair, and other dead insects. He probably crawled into the watch by mistake.
I wonder if adhesive used on dial was animal based glue, this would have attracted that type of insect.
@@jamesmartin5370 That's a possibility. In any case, it's not clear to me how they got into the watch..... unless it had lain open on the bench during some earlier intervention, and they crawled in before the watch was cased.
i came to the comments the second i saw the bug hoping for an id. thanks!
I have a clock I need to send to you. Very old. It is located in the foyer of our church. Very large. 180 year old Presbyterian Church. Is this something that you might be interested in. The clock hasn’t run in the last 36 years I have been attending this church.
I'd be glad to take a look at for you.
You can contact me at: jamesmart55@hotmail.com
There is plenty of work to do on this watch! I am interested in how you would deal with the rust removal and jewel replacement when the customer approves the repairs. Is there any way of stabilizing or removing the acid rosin solder on the dial or would it need to be re-done?
Substance holding the dial together is a mystery substance.
If restored, it should be removed and re-soldered.