IL-PENTATEWKU Ma' Ricky u Justin | Sayan Cassar Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- F'dan l-ewwel episodju, Ricky u Justin daħlu fid-dettall fuq l-oriġini tal-Pantewku, igifieri l-ewwel ħames kotba tat-Testment l-Antik. Minn fejn oriġinaw l-istejjer tal-Ġenesi u l-Eżodu? Dawn huma kotba storiċi? Għaliex nirreferu għal Alla fil-plural? Għax hemm iktar min Alla wieħed? Għalfejn hemm zewġ rakkonti differenti tal-Ġenesi? Wara kollox, it-Testment l-Antik huwa ħrafa jew verita?
Din kienet diskussjoni b'inizjattiva ta' Ricky Caruana u tellajniha fuq ic-channel tagħna bil-permess ta' Ricky u l-mistieden tiegħu.
IL-PENTATEWKU Ma' Ricky u Justin | Sayan Cassar Podcast
prosit interesanti immens il connection bejn stejjer tal mosapotania u l uzu jew copy paste edit mil ludt.
Zecharia Sitchin was an author of a number of books proposing an explanation for human origins involving ancient astronauts. Sitchin attributed the creation of the ancient Sumerian culture to the Anunnaki, which he stated was a race of extraterrestrials from a planet beyond Neptune called Nibiru. He asserted that Sumerian mythology suggests that this hypothetical planet of Nibiru is in an elongated, 3,600-year-long elliptical orbit around the Sun. HE CLAIMS that interpreted mesopotaian scripts and not invented the story. the proof that he translated and not invented is partially in the torah that was edited in jewish idea of god.
Sitchin's ideas have been resoundingly rejected by scientists, academics, historians (including Sumerologists, Orientalists and Assyriologists) and anthropologists who dismiss his work as pseudoscience and pseudohistory. His work has been criticized for flawed methodology, ignoring archaeological and historical evidence, and mistranslations of ancient texts as well as for incorrect astronomical and scientific claims.this is the norm since it defies the main stream idology. same thing happens when archological finds cause a problem with main stream timelines .
XTaghmel ir riserca tieghek valida ma ovjament listatements ta nies li gew wara? Kif ha tqaccat historja kollha ta Church Fathers u l Profeti kollha ta testament il qadim, issa inthom qeghdin tizbaljaw fej qeghdin tqabblu ktieb li huwa puntat ghal Gesu Kristu.... kull revelazzjoni fil pantatewku u fil kumplament ta Tetament il Qadim huwa dak li ntqal bkelma bkelma u bazzjoni azzjoni fit Testament il Gdid.... Issa ghandi mistoqsija, il profeziji ta gol pantatewku dawk min fejn gew ikkupjati? profeziji li gew miktuba eluf ta snien bil carbon dating, ISSA FEJN INSEMMI CARBON DATING INTOM li temmnu fil FOSSILI suppost taf ghalxiex qed nitkellem..
DAWN LORRIEF,GALIEX JITKELLELMU FUQ ALLA XI RA LIL ALLA??HEMM ALLA?
Prosit Justin u Ricky!
Thank you Mirko
Jinporta jekk nikkumenta?
Niehu ghalija jekk ma tikkummentax!
iktar episodji hekk prosit
Kollu bis-sahha ta' Ricky u Justin ❤️
Fit-Taljan hemm lei u tu.
Mhux biss! Il-president, ir-Re u rjus kbar ohra tindirizzhom 'voi', plural.
Hekk hu. Tu jekk int ghandek kunfidenza mieghu, Lei ma xi hadd li ma tafx, Voi jekk qed titkellem ma' xi hadd ta' livell gholi fis-socjeta. Ovvjament Lei tista' tintuza ghal-HIJA u Voi tista' tintuza ghal INTOM
Prosit hekk imorru l-affarijiet.
H nsaqsi mistoqsija, forsi xi darba jkolli twegiba mghand xi hadd :). Jekk allura l-istorja ta Adam u Eva hija mithodologija tas-sumeriani. Missier Abraham minn kien? Ghax safejn nafu ahna, Abraham kien gej mil-family tree ta' Adam. Qed nitkellem fuq l-esiztenza ta Adam u Eva mhux fuq kif grat l-istorja tad-dnub.
Jiena personalment ghandi risposta ghaliha, imma se nara jekk Ricky jew Justin infushom jistawx ituk twegiba huma, ghax tkun hafna iktar accurate.
Dejjem ftakar li l-Bibbja mhiex ktieb storiku, bibjografiku, xjentifiku. L-iskop tal-awtur hu li juza storja li ghal dak iz-zmien tista' tinftiehem bl-intellett taghhom biex tghinhom jifhmu l-importanza tal-qawwa tad-divin.
@@justinnicholasmicallef6863 Xorta ma nahsibx li wegibt il-mistoqsija tieghi. Ghax Allura, il-mod kif nifhima jien u hafna hemm barra, il-Bibbja hija gidba. Ghax fil-Bibbja hija cara minn fejn hu gej in-nisel ta' Abraham. Ikkoregini jekk sejra zbaljata.
Wiegbek sewwa nahseb. Jekk behsiebek tanalizza l-Bibbja b'moghod storiku ha ssib kocc "inezattezzi" biex ma nghidx gideb u cucati. Il-Bibbja trid t'analizza minn lenti Teologika u tipprova tifhem x'messagg xtaq iwassal l-awtur.
Meta ħa tkun imxandra it-tini poddata il tkompli ma din jekk jogħġbok ?
looking foward for it !
Kull ma naf li hemm wahda pjanata, ghad m'ghandniex data meta ser tigi filmed u titla, imma ser issir zgur.
@@sayancassar thanks
Vera intersanti. Proset ta vera
OK, Mirco; grazzi tal-permess.
L-ewwel nett, grazzi u proset lil dawk kollha li kienu nvoluti f’din il-podcast, u grazzi tassew lit-Teologu Justin talli qasam maghna dak li tghallem l-Universita. Id-diskusjoni ma segwejtix kollha, pero rajt qisu 30 minuta, u s’hemm nista nikkumenta.
1. Biex nibda, Elohim hi ta origini Ebrajka u mhux Sumera! Fiha prefix u suffix: ‘El’ = Sinjur / Lord / Master, u ‘im’ qed tirreferi ghal plural b’mod generali, ez. gibor hu ggant, u giborim gganti; Saraph u anglu, Saraphim huma angli. Tant ‘Elohim’ hi terminu/titlu Ebrajk li ‘El’ insibuha f’hafna ismijiet kemm Izraeliti u anki Lhud, bhal ez. Gamali.el, Ezeki.el, Samu.el, Emanu.el . . . anki fil-kelma simbolika Pineal-(Peni.el jiggifieri gateway to the Lord, li jsemmi Jakob). Minkejja li dan YHWH kien meqjus bhala Alla mil-Izraeliti, ‘Alla / God’ bhala kelma ma kienitx fl-ezistenza taghha definita, imma kienu juzaw El-(referenza ghas-Sinjorija) imbaghad insibu ruxmata ismijiet u titli li jiglorifikaw lil dan YHWH bhal, El-Shadai - biex insemmi wiehed minn ghexiren ta titli - li jfiser is-Sinjur Tal-Muntanja . . . pero xorta fit-titlu hemm ‘El’ u mhux xi forma ta kelma li tindika specifikament u generikament ‘Alla’. It-Titli specifici ghal ‘Alla / Dio’ nibtu mill-Imperu Ruman u hadu sahhithom fil-bidu tal-Medjuevu, jiggifieri minn wara Kostantinu, u minn hemm infirxet kif infirxu, skond testi-storici u religjuzi, iz-zewg religjonijiet Abrahamici ta l-ahhar = Kristjanezmu u Islam.
Mela allura la Elohim hi Ebrajka, bis-Sumer it-titlu/terminu ‘Sinjur / Lord / Master’ hi ‘En’, u insibuha b’mod specifiku fit-titlu tas-Sinjur En.ki (li tradotta tigi ‘Master of Earth’). Bil-Kananit ‘Sinjur / Lord / Master’ hi Baal, ez. BaalHadad, BaalZebub . . . etc.
2. Li nixtieq inzid ukoll, hu rigward l-aplikazzjoni tal-kelma ‘Elohim’ minn aspett suprem, jiggifieri, kif spjega Justin, meta l-Izraeliti tar-Renju tat-Tramuntana kienu juzaw ‘Elohim’ fil plural bl-intenzjoni biex jelevaw l-indirizz taghhom lejn YHWH. Ma naqbilx mighu dan minnhabba l-fatt li insibu, u b’mod repetitiv fit-testi Biblici, korruzzjonijiet intenzzjonati biex jghawgu xi tifsirit minn mod originali ghal mod kif hu konvenjenti ghalihom-(cioe konvenjenti ghal dik ir-religjon specifika). Jekk originaljament ‘Elohim’ kienet tintuza fil-plural, f’daqqa wahda ikkorompewa u gabuha singular u r-raguni hi ovja, biex ikun hemm konformi generali u bis-sahha ma l-ewwel Kmandament. Il-kelma korrota, allura, hi il-kelma li qiegheda tigi mghalma l-Universita, waqt li il-kelma propja, li l-origini taghha hi fil-‘plural’, git imwarba bl-intenzzjoni li tintnessa. Li irrid nghid hu, li jekk ghal-Ihud u l-Kristjani ‘Elohim’ f’daqqa wahda saret tfisser entita wahda ma jfissirx li l-aplikazzjoni originali fil-plural taghha hi inkorretta u hazina! Irid ikun hemm spjegazzjoni definita ghal liema raguni l-originali hi hazina u dik korrota hi t-tajba. Grazzi.
Ma kellek titlob ebda permess Kevin, ktibt kumment vera bis-sens, infurmat, dettaljat u validu ghas suggett 100% Propjament looking forward hafna biex forsi jirrispondik Justin lura. Meta nara kummenti hekk niehu pjacir estrem u nhossni sodisfatt li b'xi moghod tajt kontribut biex tohrog din it-tip ta' informazzjoni. Kompli ikkummenta ghax gid biss jista' johrog minn kummenti hekk. Insomma Kev, taf li ahna pjacir kbir ghandna bik u llum inqisuk bhala habib.
Grazzi mill-qalb tal-kumment tieghek u tax-xoghol u l-istudji kbar li taghmel. Jien personalment nemmen li int mohh kbir. Grazzi wkoll talli smajtni u milli jidher minn dak kollu li ghidna ma naqblux biss fuq dawk iz-zewg argumenti. Il-bqija nahseb qed indoqqu l-istess banda.
Ha nibda mit-tieni argument. Jien kif ghidt fil-bidu qed nitkellem mil-lenti tal-istorja, arkeologija, u teologija Kattolika u bhala ricerkatur tal-fakulta tat-teologija wassalt l-informazzjoni mil-lenti Teologika Kattolika Rumana. Min naha l-ohra napprezza li ma taqbilx mieghi ghax inkella tigi litteralment dittatorjat. Bazikament jien qed nitkellem mil-lenti sferika mod u int minn lenti sferika mod iehor.
Ghall-ewwel argument ma nhossx li mhux qed naqblu fl-argument. Dak li ghidt int hu sew u jien sempliciment ghamiltu fi kliem facilissimu u fil-qasir biex jinftiehem facilment halli ma nuzax termini komplikati minhabba li s-suggett kien fuq il-formazzjoni tal-Pentatewku mhux essacc Yahweh u Elohim, etc. Ghar-rigward tal-kelma Elohim inhoss li qed nghidu l-istess haga wkoll ghax essacc originat mill-Caananites li tista' issejhilom Israeliti primittivi imma b'kultura sumera.
Min naha l-ohra napprezza mill-gdid li smajtni u j'Alla apparti dawk iz-zewg argumenti tajtek informazzjoni li laqtitek u forsi tghallimt xi haga gdida wkoll
@@justinnicholasmicallef6863 , bongu Justin. Dik hi s-sabih ta dan kollu, li jkun hemm persuni li ghalkemm ma jaqblux f'kollox, jofru dettal gdid lil xulxin. Iva, hadd pjacir nisimak habib u proset kbira mil-gdid, u grazzi wkoll lir-Ricky ta -xoghol!
@@sayancassarGrazzi hafna, Mirco! Ma xtaqtx naqbad u niddeffes. Naf, u anki inthom sirtu hbieb tieghi, u fejn nista nkun ta appogg, kelmuni.
@kevinfalzon7865 b'hekk jitilaw da tip ta discussions. I mean fil verita hadd ma jaqbel ma hadd 100%. Jien ma naqbilx ma Justin 100% u aqas mijak 100% u aqas ma hadd. Imma it-taghlim jitlob li ghalkemm ma naqbilx maghkom fuq certu issues xorta nistedimkom biex taqsmu dak li tafu. Besides nara podcast both of you u jien nsahhan in-nar min taht 😅