Thank you, I wish I had met a mentor like you to teach me such accuracy. Never too old to learn, new tools available are a wonder. Head set depth of the screw into the board not mentioned is essential to good work. Always enjoy your content, many thanks.
You truly share soo much of your experience and passion ... and it's a huge delight to observe how far you think ahead and your preparation methods. Hope your week is going great! Thanks soo much for the channel. Cheers!
Beautiful work chaps….. I’ve gone a slightly different route with insulation between and over the rafters….. The rafters completely isolated from the outside world and no insulated plasterboard… it introduces a different set of problems, so horses for courses at the end of the day…
"Tight"...... that's the word I would use, for the measure, the cut, the install and the consistency .... not something that is always found together, but you lads do it every time, top job, as always ! Robin does not need screws, he uses focus 😁
Watching this episode showed me that you think ahead so many moves before you do the first piece. If only all builders were as competent as you we would all have quality homes.
Hi Gordon, planning and prep is the most important part of any job if you ask me!!! there are many good builders out there..... its just super hard to find them!!
exactly the plaster boarding you'd expect from a carpenter, nice neat cuts everywhere and no foam filled gaps. You're going to have to get some top plasterers in for that ceiling, constantly cleaning the beams and all the tight angles, doesn't look like a fun one 😄
Robin class act as usual. NASA don’t build rockets with precision like that. I want to see what the back of your van looks like…… How come you have decided to fully plaster the room rather than tape and join like your main house? You must have spent an absolute fortune to build this unbelievable garden room. Looking forward to the next vid mate.
Taken a few notes from this but one thing I will add if you’re looking for top neatness is using a straight edge to mark where the rafters/ joists are on the plasterboard in once a few screws can hold it up. Just adds to the complexity you can add to the job
@@ukconstructionI'm keen to find out exactly rhe type of angle trim that is. Is it a gypsum product? . I have issues insulating a dormer where a insulated wall meets a lower ceiling at odd angle and need something to fix end of plasterboard sheet to.
I was always told by a slabber from America 5 or 6 screws across the slab on the ground is plenty any more and you start to weaken the slab.. it can cause pops.... just an observation ...and I know that's insulated board.. but you should use washers on some of them
How functional is that aluminum surface when it goes one face up and one face down? Should not be pointing towards the room only with 25-30mm space to work as reflective surface? To my knowledge all reflective surfaces have a really high SD value(over 1500) and it doesnt allow vapours inside the structure. In your case it seems like the vapours will be trapped and it will migrate towards the rafters. Could you please clear that for me Robin? Also big thanks for all your work online!
Spent a good few years of my plastering life doing 'Cottage Style' homes for WestBuild .... Slopey Ceilings, Gable Windows & Oak Beams everywhere they could ... Sometimes the Chippie would be on another job and I'd have to do the tacking and work out all those dodgey angles - Thankfully - they were the days of Hessian Scrim 😂🤣😂
Robin hi, Quick question out of curiosity! what is is the idea behind the ground offset @ 45 degrees @ 1200 high (approx I don’t know your desired back box heights ) that you have offset from the wall with a back box placed on it placed beside the 45 degree door opening for? Very intriguing….. 😅 Mr sharp eyed here r Mr nosy 😅
Hi Alexander, this is for a section of wall that will hide the garden room refreshments kitchen!! Will be adding that soon as we plasterboard the studwalls!! Well spotted
Out of curisoirty why did you not have to install a VCL on the roof, like Protect VC Foil Ultra? I'm having to do 140mm in between + 40mm overboarded, VCL, 25 mm strapping then plasterboard. BC weren't happy with anything else. I was honestly watching the video to see if you had put the partitions up before or after the roof VCL but you don't have one :D Thanks in advance, love the videos!
Great Question, It depends very much on the overall construction build up, we did technically have a VCL as the insulation on the back of the plaster board is a VCL as it is foil backed, we also had a clear vented space from Eve to Ridge over the main PIR insulation between the rafters and the Roof covering over the external OSB roof decking is called Evalon by Alwitra and believe it or not it is Air Permeable!!! mind blowing I know, Different parts of the country, Local authority or Building Control region will have variations too!!
nice one robin, what is the blade you used? often thought it would be a time saver to cut plasterboards etc with the track saw. ill assume the same blade can cut those cement based boards that tilers use on shower areas etc
Hi Paul, this is as you suggest for cutting cement based boards, I have a few in my Amazon store, If its for a TS55 then this is a good entry level blade amzn.to/3U1ZikP
@@ukconstruction thanks robin, yea id probably use one on my ts55. seems the best machine for stuff like that. be a better job than scoring and snapping them all the time. same goes for standard plasterboards also. ill pick one up and it can stay in the box till its needed cheers mate
Cheers Robin. Loads to take away from this for me. As per. Mainly, that blade for the plunge. Did not know about that kind of blade. Will get my self one now though. Ps, your spread will curse you with those tight hip areas! Haha Look forward to seeing someone skim that out .
Out of interest why have you got the main PIR a few mm up from bottom face of rafter? Expected to see it flush and then taped? (I note the gapo though!)
I leave a small gap the principal is like double glazed windows, it also serves as a small space to run a cable or two, Gapo eliminates the need for a tape at this point, there is the insulated plasterboard that has a foil vapour barrier on the back that does the job of foil tapes etc
Robin bit off topic but as an apprentice joiner I'm trying to understand how to read drawings I've bought multiple books and watched alot of TH-cam none of which are helping. Can you direct me where I can go to learn how to read construction drawings primarily first fix ?
Hi Leon, I had a quick look for a video that I could recommend but as you have probably discovered..... there is not much for us in the UK on TH-cam!!! I would be happy to help you, there are mainly basic symbols that apply to all plans and these are universal across Architecture (here in the UK) If you are not far from me then I would be happy to spend a couple of hours with you going through some plans etc!!!! in the mean time this is a useful book that I would recommend amzn.to/3F0I0QZ
I’m just doing something similar , I’m trying my hardest not to leave gaps between the layers of insulation 🤔 just curious what people think , I don’t remember where I heard it but heard it’s a bad idea to have gaps between vapour barriers where moisture can get trapped .. 🤔🤷♀️
No straight answer really…… it depends on what that moist air meets if it gets beyond your VCL…. If it’s a gap where there’s more insulation outside of it then the temperature is unlikely to have dropped enough for the moisture to condense onto the structure. In this case, the primary purpose of the insulation is to minimise thermal bridging of the rafters to the inside. The increase of the overall U value because of it is a happy by-product. Whatever moist air gets beyond that plasterboard won’t find conditions radically different the other side. Every construction is different and needs assessing on its own merits.
@ukconstruction I'm also keen to find out exactly rhe type of angle trim that is. I have issues insulating a dormer where a insulated wall meets a lower ceiling at odd angle and need something to fix end of plasterboard sheet to.
Tools don't make a tradie but boy they help. Your work is always high quality but so is your kit. That Festool set up is a second mortgage to most Carpenters. I went to an open day for a new tool shop. Most large tool brands were represented. There was a guy from Festool present. All the other stands were packed. The bloke from Festool stood alone. A lot of us just make do with a fraction of the kit you have and poorer quality. And living in rural Qld I never get to see most of the products either. When you have great tools. Good products and your skill. The sky is the limit. Average tools. Average products and skill. You do your best.
The boards are a vapour barrier in themselves they are foil backed and providing they are well fitted and the surface is properly finished then they are perfect
All the manufacturers of insulated plasterboard that I’m aware of stipulate using noggins so that ALL edges of the plasterboard are supported, including those edges running perpendicular to the rafters - I see you’ve not done this - do you find it’s not necessary? Have you ever had any objections from building control when leaving the noggins out?
They often indicate in various fixing methods in their literature, in practice on site it is always fixed like the way we do it and it is a really strong board with the insulation on the back, if it was a normal board without insulation then you may need board join supports like you mention, indeed there are thicker plasterboards that will span up to 600 centres with no board join noggins I.e. 15mm thick boards!! What the manufactures do is make sure they cover any eventualities!! Trying to incorporate a board join noggin in a cold roof application without increasing the ceiling thickness even more or worse creating cold bridges is not sensible!!
I have tackers that work on a price and that is all they do day in and day out, but the accuracy and standard of finish is just not what I need for perfect angled ceiling and wall junctions, and believe it or not my tacker gave me a price for this and we did it for less money in time and labour!!!
Anyone who works with Robin is one lucky bugger. The knowledge and skills are tip top. 👌
Another amazing job, good to see how far Ed has come too, great to see a young person picking up a trade and taking pride in their work. Great video
Always a pleasure to watch a skilled man working.
Great time lapse. Looked like you where dancing to the samba
I was
Thank you for such a thorough video, if only all trades took such pride in their job. Will be insisting our insulation is done so perfectly!
Pure genius. You make it look so damn easy. Thank you for sharing your knowledge along with some very useful tips and tricks.
The Building Inspector must love it when one of your builds pops up on his list. Such a craftsman.
Thank you, I wish I had met a mentor like you to teach me such accuracy. Never too old to learn, new tools available are a wonder. Head set depth of the screw into the board not mentioned is essential to good work. Always enjoy your content, many thanks.
thats gooona be 1 warm building
What a beautiful airy space, it's going to be wonderful.
You truly share soo much of your experience and passion ... and it's a huge delight to observe how far you think ahead and your preparation methods. Hope your week is going great! Thanks soo much for the channel. Cheers!
Beautiful work chaps….. I’ve gone a slightly different route with insulation between and over the rafters….. The rafters completely isolated from the outside world and no insulated plasterboard… it introduces a different set of problems, so horses for courses at the end of the day…
Something very satisfying with putting up plasterboard but the better the preparation the easier it goes.
I’d give anything to work with this man for a year or so even at the age of 42 I know the knowledge that would rub off would be invaluable, legend
"Tight"...... that's the word I would use, for the measure, the cut, the install and the consistency .... not something that is always found together, but you lads do it every time, top job, as always ! Robin does not need screws, he uses focus 😁
Watching this episode showed me that you think ahead so many moves before you do the first piece. If only all builders were as competent as you we would all have quality homes.
Hi Gordon, planning and prep is the most important part of any job if you ask me!!! there are many good builders out there..... its just super hard to find them!!
Wish I had watched this before I installed my insulated plasterboard! Great tips amd tricks!
exactly the plaster boarding you'd expect from a carpenter, nice neat cuts everywhere and no foam filled gaps. You're going to have to get some top plasterers in for that ceiling, constantly cleaning the beams and all the tight angles, doesn't look like a fun one 😄
Extremely neat Robin! Lovely job
Cheers Sam!!
Always good to mark your fixing centres ...good tip of yours. Cheers Robin
Robin class act as usual. NASA don’t build rockets with precision like that.
I want to see what the back of your van looks like……
How come you have decided to fully plaster the room rather than tape and join like your main house?
You must have spent an absolute fortune to build this unbelievable garden room.
Looking forward to the next vid mate.
My van is empty!!!!! I like the plastered finish better than tape and joint!!
Taken a few notes from this but one thing I will add if you’re looking for top neatness is using a straight edge to mark where the rafters/ joists are on the plasterboard in once a few screws can hold it up. Just adds to the complexity you can add to the job
That scaffolding @ 11.22 🫣
Phenomenal work. 👌🏻
Thank you so much 😀
Jesus Rob, I thought I was good. You are next level mate
Kind mate!!!
Metal angle on edges where no rafter to catch board is a great tip.
It works so well too!! this is a Dry lining angle and they are super cheap... about 70p per metre!!!
@@ukconstructionI'm keen to find out exactly rhe type of angle trim that is. Is it a gypsum product? . I have issues insulating a dormer where a insulated wall meets a lower ceiling at odd angle and need something to fix end of plasterboard sheet to.
Time lapse was like "strictly come chippying"😜 great fun but still serious business 👍
Thanks mate, the music made me laugh as it looks like dancing!!!
A class act !
I was always told by a slabber from America 5 or 6 screws across the slab on the ground is plenty any more and you start to weaken the slab.. it can cause pops.... just an observation ...and I know that's insulated board.. but you should use washers on some of them
Very nice work. 👌 love it
Thank you! Cheers!
“You either love it or hate it, I personally don’t mind it” 😂 Belter
How functional is that aluminum surface when it goes one face up and one face down? Should not be pointing towards the room only with 25-30mm space to work as reflective surface? To my knowledge all reflective surfaces have a really high SD value(over 1500) and it doesnt allow vapours inside the structure. In your case it seems like the vapours will be trapped and it will migrate towards the rafters. Could you please clear that for me Robin? Also big thanks for all your work online!
Spent a good few years of my plastering life doing 'Cottage Style' homes for WestBuild .... Slopey Ceilings, Gable Windows & Oak Beams everywhere they could ... Sometimes the Chippie would be on another job and I'd have to do the tacking and work out all those dodgey angles - Thankfully - they were the days of Hessian Scrim 😂🤣😂
How good is to work with paul
Nice work I’ve finished to dress my loft with plasterboards
I’m only amateur but still this brings me a bit of fun
Im guessing ders no need to put discs on d screws for insulated boards so is that just adding more work
I take this technique could be used to re-line a normal ceiling?
Superb summerhouse, million plus?
Well its a few Bob now!! That's why it's taking me so long!!
@@ukconstruction looks fabulous, I would love to have a lap pool.
Why is there a gap between the insulated plaster board and insulation...what kind of roof is it ?
I wouldn’t want to be the plasterer on this ceiling with all those acute angles.
Robin hi,
Quick question out of curiosity!
what is is the idea behind the ground offset @ 45 degrees @ 1200 high (approx I don’t know your desired back box heights ) that you have offset from the wall with a back box placed on it placed beside the 45 degree door opening for? Very intriguing….. 😅
Mr sharp eyed here r Mr nosy 😅
Hi Alexander, this is for a section of wall that will hide the garden room refreshments kitchen!! Will be adding that soon as we plasterboard the studwalls!! Well spotted
Out of curisoirty why did you not have to install a VCL on the roof, like Protect VC Foil Ultra? I'm having to do 140mm in between + 40mm overboarded, VCL, 25 mm strapping then plasterboard. BC weren't happy with anything else. I was honestly watching the video to see if you had put the partitions up before or after the roof VCL but you don't have one :D Thanks in advance, love the videos!
Great Question, It depends very much on the overall construction build up, we did technically have a VCL as the insulation on the back of the plaster board is a VCL as it is foil backed, we also had a clear vented space from Eve to Ridge over the main PIR insulation between the rafters and the Roof covering over the external OSB roof decking is called Evalon by Alwitra and believe it or not it is Air Permeable!!! mind blowing I know, Different parts of the country, Local authority or Building Control region will have variations too!!
Plaster boarding goes Strictly Come Dancing!
nice one robin, what is the blade you used? often thought it would be a time saver to cut plasterboards etc with the track saw. ill assume the same blade can cut those cement based boards that tilers use on shower areas etc
Hi Paul, this is as you suggest for cutting cement based boards, I have a few in my Amazon store, If its for a TS55 then this is a good entry level blade amzn.to/3U1ZikP
@@ukconstruction thanks robin, yea id probably use one on my ts55. seems the best machine for stuff like that. be a better job than scoring and snapping them all the time. same goes for standard plasterboards also. ill pick one up and it can stay in the box till its needed
cheers mate
Were did u get the lights from
The festoon lighting is from toolstation, they are the bulb version
Cheers Robin. Loads to take away from this for me. As per.
Mainly, that blade for the plunge. Did not know about that kind of blade. Will get my self one now though.
Ps, your spread will curse you with those tight hip areas! Haha
Look forward to seeing someone skim that out .
Hi Jon, the plasterers will have their work cut out on this one!!
Would it be necessary to use washers with the plasterboard screws? Or are they only necessary for a certain depth of board?
We only ever use plasterboard screws and never washers, we use washers on soft material such as thin layers of PIR or some shower/wet area boards
Out of interest why have you got the main PIR a few mm up from bottom face of rafter? Expected to see it flush and then taped? (I note the gapo though!)
I leave a small gap the principal is like double glazed windows, it also serves as a small space to run a cable or two, Gapo eliminates the need for a tape at this point, there is the insulated plasterboard that has a foil vapour barrier on the back that does the job of foil tapes etc
Hi Robin, is it possible to dab (or foam) insulated plasterboard straight onto an existing plastered wall without hacking of the original plaster?
Absolutely, as long as the wall is well primed, usual drywall adhesive should be fine, some foams work too
@@ukconstruction Brilliant, thanks for the reply
What's the detail at the base of your stud walls?
Have a look at the video where I talk about the studwork, it's a few videos back in the channel
Robin bit off topic but as an apprentice joiner I'm trying to understand how to read drawings I've bought multiple books and watched alot of TH-cam none of which are helping. Can you direct me where I can go to learn how to read construction drawings primarily first fix ?
Hi Leon, I had a quick look for a video that I could recommend but as you have probably discovered..... there is not much for us in the UK on TH-cam!!! I would be happy to help you, there are mainly basic symbols that apply to all plans and these are universal across Architecture (here in the UK) If you are not far from me then I would be happy to spend a couple of hours with you going through some plans etc!!!! in the mean time this is a useful book that I would recommend amzn.to/3F0I0QZ
I'm in the north east robin I'll definitely buy the book and report back to you . Thanks again
I’m just doing something similar , I’m trying my hardest not to leave gaps between the layers of insulation 🤔 just curious what people think , I don’t remember where I heard it but heard it’s a bad idea to have gaps between vapour barriers where moisture can get trapped .. 🤔🤷♀️
No straight answer really…… it depends on what that moist air meets if it gets beyond your VCL…. If it’s a gap where there’s more insulation outside of it then the temperature is unlikely to have dropped enough for the moisture to condense onto the structure. In this case, the primary purpose of the insulation is to minimise thermal bridging of the rafters to the inside. The increase of the overall U value because of it is a happy by-product. Whatever moist air gets beyond that plasterboard won’t find conditions radically different the other side. Every construction is different and needs assessing on its own merits.
Top of the class Paul
Awsum thanks for the reply 🙂 Makes my life a bit easier 😋
Whats the name of that angle trim you use? I could do with it, to get me out off trouble in my house.
@ukconstruction I'm also keen to find out exactly rhe type of angle trim that is. I have issues insulating a dormer where a insulated wall meets a lower ceiling at odd angle and need something to fix end of plasterboard sheet to.
@@sligmagy exactly my problem 👍
Why don't uk plasterers use plasterboard adhesive as well as screws, here in Australia 🇦🇺 we use both which cuts down on stopping up
Why use both when you don’t need it?
Tools don't make a tradie but boy they help. Your work is always high quality but so is your kit. That Festool set up is a second mortgage to most Carpenters. I went to an open day for a new tool shop. Most large tool brands were represented. There was a guy from Festool present. All the other stands were packed. The bloke from Festool stood alone. A lot of us just make do with a fraction of the kit you have and poorer quality. And living in rural Qld I never get to see most of the products either. When you have great tools. Good products and your skill. The sky is the limit. Average tools. Average products and skill. You do your best.
So true Dave, in most cases the same result can be achieved with more basic tools and the old saying was "a good Craftsman never blames his tools"!!!
Hi, can I ask where or what the vapour Barrier is?
The boards are a vapour barrier in themselves they are foil backed and providing they are well fitted and the surface is properly finished then they are perfect
All the manufacturers of insulated plasterboard that I’m aware of stipulate using noggins so that ALL edges of the plasterboard are supported, including those edges running perpendicular to the rafters - I see you’ve not done this - do you find it’s not necessary? Have you ever had any objections from building control when leaving the noggins out?
They often indicate in various fixing methods in their literature, in practice on site it is always fixed like the way we do it and it is a really strong board with the insulation on the back, if it was a normal board without insulation then you may need board join supports like you mention, indeed there are thicker plasterboards that will span up to 600 centres with no board join noggins I.e. 15mm thick boards!! What the manufactures do is make sure they cover any eventualities!! Trying to incorporate a board join noggin in a cold roof application without increasing the ceiling thickness even more or worse creating cold bridges is not sensible!!
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That’s how plaster boarding should be done I cut my boards the same. Non of this fill it with dab rubbish
Cheers Mark!!! your like me... has to be right!!!
'Garden Room' 🤣
Yep I hate plasterboarding.!!!
Bloody expensive that insulated plasterboard.
Long winded way to cut the boards if your on a price, probably end up losing money, ok if your on day rate
I have tackers that work on a price and that is all they do day in and day out, but the accuracy and standard of finish is just not what I need for perfect angled ceiling and wall junctions, and believe it or not my tacker gave me a price for this and we did it for less money in time and labour!!!
Wondering why you didnt use a drywall hoist frame.
Well we don't have one and it's pretty quick between two to just lift, hold and fix, if I was working alone then the hoist would be good!!
I’ll just nip out and buy all that equipment