There are at least 2 graphical errors that I spotted. Lmk if you find them 😞 Also check out Shintenzu's TH-cam for top tier Diluc and Xiao play: th-cam.com/users/Shintenzux
In 12-2-1 Mona and Diluc finished in 18 seconds but it was shown 20 while Kokomo was 26 as on time making us thing the time gap is not much Edit:- on watching it again diluc finished it in 16 sec and Mona 17 which is 10 and nine faster than kokomi respectively!
with c6 sara and mistplitter existing i wouldn't be surprised if she could beat diluc at this point. if only he didn't have a C6 benny we could see a more fair comparison with kekking.
@@flavoure I'm comparing against whaled out diluc team. This is a whale channel So a C6 diluc, r5 wolve, C6 Bennett C6 xq C6 kazuha etc. That costs the same amount
Right? My Kokomis damage is amazing too. And I don’t hear enough people praising how she can do hydro application, LOTS of healing, tank and do a consistent 10k or more off field bubble pop.
There's a comic where Kokomi is facing Sara on the battlefield, and tl:dr tells her "You can bring as many soldiers you want. You'll run out of men before I run out of water to drown them in."
@@biandanxious3438 the damage isn't a lot to be fair. A xingqiu with the same investment can do 10k per rainsword off field, and he shoots 4 of them at a time at a faster rate
I recommend checking out the #1 Mona simp LACola for some sick Mona clips. She may be stressful to set up for vapes but when you do it right it feels so damn stylish.
Mona is probably the best Nuker in the game. Her Q has an insanely high multiplier, her Omen is a pure damage boost, and she can vape it because she's hydro. It's just pretty awkward to set it up right and that's why it is mostly used just for screenshot showcases.
Iwtlg during freeze showcase: "One last showcase where no boys are allowed." *Also Iwtlg having venti in both teams.* Mr genshin mathematician are you trying to imply something?
i mean, in character story 4 we do find out that venti was originally a genderless elemental spirit who then created his body in the form of the “eccentric ruler.” he’s only given he/him pronouns in the story once he takes the form of the ruler, so technically, venti *is* genderless 👀
@@aestheticspinalcord3713 depends on if you consider the form venti’s in to be “him” or not, i guess. i think of it more as playing a role, as he creates that form in the image of the ruler, rather than that being the “real venti.“ but yeah, depends on how you see it. edit: i checked for clarification and the phrasing is that venti “reconstituted” into the form of the friend, implying in my mind that he could reverse this and return to being simply an entity. there’s also a case to be had that whatever form venti’s in at the time is his true self, but it’s really up to perspective
@@aestheticspinalcord3713 Simply having a physical body does not assign you a gender, especially when that body is more of a vessel or avatar than it is the actual being.
It’s so crazy how people swore up and down when she came out that Kokomi was awful. She was really judged unfairly and I think part of it was people blowing off steam/taking their anger from the anni out on her (and her fans and her CN va too sadly). They knew 100% what they were doing when they designed and released Kokomi. And this just shows it. Also. Small edit. I do think that even though he’s fallen from the dps leaderboard, he’ll still put in the work if you still want to use him. You’ll just have to keep his flaws in mind and it’ll take a bit longer for you to notice results compared to more updated pyro dps’s
Ehm, no. Kokomi is awful. I deliberately roll for Kokomi on her rerun for my Ganyu-Shenhe team and I also foud out that millelith Kokomi is very good with Yoimiya as in she enables vapes and no need for XQ. But this teams are not meta.
@@Crazmuss Except the literal meta freeze comp rn is Ayaka Shenhe Kokomi Kazuha. Only issue is that it's very expensive since it's all 5*s so you're generally better off going some variant of it. Aside from that Kokomi is the go-to hydro for freeze and on-field EC comps.
@@HunterTheSimp as a kokomi main I think it does get effected by res. It's possible to do 31k bubbles after doing superconduct. What it doesn't get effected by is dmg bonus (if you put a physical dmg goblet it won't actually buff her damage)
@@HunterTheSimp it does, that's why if you group her with c6 Rosaria which gives 20% PHYS reduction it makes her bubble's DMG higher. Same with a Superconduct team, ZL's shield, and Shenhe's burst.
This video seems to come at the right moment for me since I just pulled Kokomi and Mona in the same ten-pull two day ago. Immediately build the two of them and upgraded most of their talents, including normal attacks to level 9 (because yes, I am an absolute madman even though now I got no resources left lol) and I was really surpirsed to see how both of them could achieve 40-50k with a vaporized charged attack! They can dish out some serious damage! This says a lot about some characters that are universally acknowledged as pure dps. I mean, Diluc here (and probably others) got beat at their only job!
Well, Kokomi/Mona can't vape as consistent as Diluc. Also, how many stamina Kokomi and Mona takes to just do one charge? You see? Kokomi is a little relevant as dps with high constelations and R5 weapon (donut that only she uses), out of that she's is not a good dps and is lower in damage than Diluc c0.
@@JoseMiguel-db6sh I wasn't saying that their vape charged attacks are viable, far from it, it's just that I find amazing that characters that aren't supposed to be dps, in this case a support and a healer, can do that much damage. Diluc is a main dps but can't support or heal. He' s not bad, but we all know that he's been powercrept af
This is the reason why i tell people that they shouldn’t be afraid of kokomi making the team’s dps go down by a lot. Even a c0 kokomi could output at leasy around consistent 30k in just 3/4 seconds if you need heals (if you use HP/Hydro/healing bonus) during her burst. She’s an emergency button for people with skill issues.
happy to see my queen (Kokomi) holding her own very well 😊 I run her with C6 Fischl, Beidou, and Aloy to maximize AOE damage and her bubble pops, and the team is so much fun to use and basically plays itself. I get a similar sense of satisfaction from it as I do from a Raiden National team, but without the headache caused by flashes from Raiden's skill
@Aether nah he doesn't. During game release, the entire meta was made for him and they forgot about other characters He had his time to shine already. Let him rest
What do u mean.... He didn't use Vape Diluc... Who in the world runs Diluc without Vape..... Even tho he mentioned Solo...... That's not fair... Cuz the other 2 can't vape consistently like Diluc so Diluc's biggest advantage isn't utilised here... The other 2 seriously can't... Istg I m extremely salty noe
Diluc is a bad better for how slow his attacks are but he is still really good at the same time with reactions and this video did not show reaction diluc
But why couldn't we let Bennett destroy the shield in the first demo so Diluc's Burst can hit the plant without the overwhelming resistance like the others?
because that will just waste even more time on the animation I guess, in only takes like 6 seconds to kill the tree, a 2-3 second burst animation is way too long in this case
He knows that, and even shows a taser comp for her at the end. However, he wanted her to be the main source of damage. With a taser team, the electros tend to steal the show.
people who don’t have kokomi are just not gonna understand kokomi 💀 in addition to everything kokomi already did (hydro enabler, healer, tank, i mean seriously if you manage her cooldowns, not being at 100% hp is the real endgame challenge) her artifact set almost gives her albedo-like sub dps, just as physical damage. i’m not gonna say she’s INSANE UNFAIR BROKEN POWERCREEP EMBODIED overall obviously, but her role compression truly is NOTHING to be scoffed at, so if you want that let me tell you, it’s extremely valuable and you will not regret getting her (if you like her character too obviously)
I think Mhy's balancing is if your character has a higher skill floor or constraints, they'll have higher damage More specifially, if you need ton of energy for your burst or lose your infusion on swap, you'll tend to have higher damage It's not completely consistent but it may be a risk vs reward thing
22:05 the comparison of kokomi and mona brings 2 points that everyone looks over 1. kokomi in freeze team is faster than mona bc she takes less field time and her hydro application is just better plus she can heal while using ttds, very good against pyro lectors, wolves, primordial bathysmal vishap and so MAYBE more enemies in the future. 2. venti is preffered in speedrunning in this specific abyss' first half even though most of the enemies are unsuccable bc compared to kazuha, he requires less field time and restores 15 energy for ayaka and shenhe w the cryo infuse of his burst for the next chamber.
Diluc carried me in the early game. But when I started doing abyss and learned about national team , sadly I forgot about him. Why XL getting stronger every patch and the early 5 stars like diluc and keqing fall deeper
Literally Xiangling became stronger and stronger each patch starting from the artifacts to weapons that's good for her and is F2P friendly and characters that really works well with her aspecially Cryo and hydro characters
As a Diluc main... he really needs vape or melt... he just does not work without reactions 💀 Seeing his performance without reactions is just painful, given how slow he already attacks
I know right? 😂 He really isn't meant to be played solo. He needs a good team. The highest damage I saw was 100k+ Like, that's very average for an end game Diluc, esp a Diluc that's C6R5.
Diluc might get worse every patch, but he's still one of the more fun characters to play, to me. Very easy because his infusion isn't lost on swap, and very fun because you get to just spam his flashy E skill and big autos. Wish I could get some constellations for him instead of the C4 Keqing I have...
I have him c3 with 2 crowns but it's sad to see that there are characters with less build who do more damage. Unfortunately it makes me consider rerolling to newer dps characters. I hope this will get a fix soon.
Saaaaame... I've played Genshin for almost a yr now, and other than Zhongli, Diluc was my most wanted. Now recently i have both, and unless i like a character more than Diluc, or have the need for more power in abyss, he is never coming off my team, because i'm glad i get to enjoy a game playing the characters i want purely cz i like them! ^w^
I mains diluc since i lost 50-50 in the venti banner but now i got bored of him especially childe's team(childe,raiden,xl,bennett) is so much more satisfying than diluc's. But still, i gotta give him some respect since he carried me through the whole game
JUST LETTING U KNOW IWTL, I LIVE for your videos on Genshin, they are so entertaining and yet so informative at the same time. No other content creator comes close to making content in your style, and just wanted to let you know to keep it up! Great work.
I got Mona over a year ago and have her at C2 now. Yes, she is slower and a bit clunky, but I love her so much that she's always somewhere in my teams 🥰 When I'm doing Abyss she's my support and for exploration I use her as my dps and sub -dps
Is it only me who feels like iwtl isn't playing diluc rotation right? Why is he doing the complete NA rotation to his E ? It should be N1,N2 then E or N1,N2,N3 then E no?
No, you are correct. It should be N3 E dash/jump x3 then ult at the end of the combo. Basically was just spamming left click instead of using CW passive. Also that is no where near 95% Diluc for a whale standard. His flower, goblet, and head piece are all bad based on whale standards. Not to mention having so much ATK and a useless Wolf buff that doesn't get triggered for 90% of the fight. I am not saying Diluc is top dps, however to say this is 95% optimized dps Diluc is just false even with the wrong combo.
@@waterlily5901 same even after getting her in her first banner i still haven't crowned her because I was so focused on maxing out my raiden and keqing
Paradoxically for Mona " Song and Wine" catalyst is more practical even if is a 4* weapon. The raw "damage per second" is lower, but is more consistent in a long fight.
Lol Diluc may be an outdated DPS but he'll always be a timeless husbando. Also thank you for the lovely video as always! I would love to see a DPS slow down between the four starters if you ever wanted to do that!
I've noticed that in that Diluc abyss team (which is also one of my two standard abyss teams with a c0 diluc and I still manage to get 36 stars) his damage goes up when you start with Xingqiu to absorb hydro into Kazuha's ult and then swirl pyro off Benny's ult after because Diluc vapes consistently like that instead of Xingqiu. I don't know if I explained that well but that's just what I've noticed when I played.
If some of these old characters on the standard banner are so bad I feel like Mihoyo should, I dunno, be legally obligated in some manner to either buff them, get rid of them, or create a new standard banner. Getting not Jean/Mona seems like a complete and utter trap.
@@shanehubble I wrote this comment when I started the video so I wasn't sure where he stood. I still find it very amusing. I feel the same way about Diluc as Diona so this makes me smile.
@Aether idk. He just always rubbed me the wrong way. Haha. I did lose pity with him but thankfully he was the second to last standard 5 star for me to get. I'll be more upset if he comes home anymore because I won't ever use him so his cons will be wasted.
I'm building my Mona. Shes so much fun to play. I already have a stacked Xingqiu and Yelan, and I love Mona's kit so much. Plus she's smoking hot. Having said that, I wish I had Kokomi. I just couldn't spend any primos during her recent rerun banner. But I did the test run with her a dozen times and loved her.
Kokomi is a Healer, Tank, and also Can Slap using her fishes so let's hail the watatsumi priestess!!! 🙌 Also Yoimiya burst with Kokomi doing NA is a Bomb
Yoimiya is so fun to play with kokomi imo. Shes rly squishy so the heals help a lot and the constant vape is so useful! Even ayaka and kokomi is fun to play ^^
im confused. how come in the azdaha, maguu kenki and masanori tests, kokomi and mona get to have geo resonance while diluc only gets a mono pyro + honorary zhongli? is there any specific reason for that team comp? i assumed that maybe yanfei was there to hold TTDS but this might not be the case since at 08:17, 10:46 and 13:44 yanfei dropping her E generates white particles (so fav codex ?) but also because the TTDS buff wouldnt last long enough for diluc's dps window. also for your abyss showcase, would taking advantage of kazuha's c2 help diluc's damage? like xingqiu EQ > kazuha EQ > bennett Q > kazuha E (pyro swirl) > diluc's Q ? ofc this rotation also boosts xingqiu's dmg but the rotation you used (pyro kazuha Q) steals diluc's vapes iirc which prolly affects dilucs personal vape damage
I thought Mona is a better option in freeze than Kokomi because of Omen buff and she can use prototype amber so I expect a big different. but it’s very surprising Kokomi did it just slightly faster here
@@nansssa9125 probably because of the clam set. You can't ignore that beefy physical damage. Not to mention you lose a lot of freezing due to Mona can't apply hydro consistently even if you have enough er for her rotation she still needs time to position her skill unlike Kokomi's jellyfish who resets. Mona is only better if you have a whaled dps and can 1 shot enemies but even then why would you need Mona if your dps can do it alone.
@@finnthedog5321 ttods tenacity kokomi would slightly outperform mona in a freeze team. Sure, you have the omen buff with mona but her long burst animation would be a dps loss plus atk% is more valuable than omen dmg bonus because there's no amplifying reactions in freeze. And btw, tenacity mona is inefficient because her skill has downtime so it's better for mona to be a noblesse user.
i actually retired my keqing so kokomi could be my main dps in the abyss pairing her with mona, rosaria and sayu (for vv purposes) makes her damage insane, and mona is a good battery, allowing kokomi to have a minimal downtime definitely the best investment i ever did for a unit
Where are u learning these from? There's no way investing into a Kokomi Hypercarry comp can ever be any kind of good investment It's fine for you to like Kokomi but be aware of what you're doing...know what you're doing....
@@Ben-vg6ox by that logic, people who invest in Mona, Keqing, Kaeya, Razor, and Diluc as hypercarries are also bad according to your opinion. They should be crucified as well. Yet here we are, diversifying our choices instead of sticking purely on meta. 🤣 She may not be top tier DPS alone but her diverse team comp makes up for it and opens up new avenues for team chemistry. In conclusion, respect other people's choices on who to main and let them have that experience instead of shitting on it just cos it's not to your meta taste. This game isn't hard anyway to warrant meta only comps, go eat some grass or smthn. 🥱
@@Ben-vg6ox If they're clearing abyss with Kokomi and having fun with the way they're playing, that's a good investment. Having fun maximizing your favorite characters' strengths is most important, this is just a game after all.
Diluc is still missing a top tier weapon like mistsplitter or jade cutter that Keqing has access to. Once he gets that I’d bet he would beat out Keqing
@@shanehubble you cannot compare them, I do not think Ayato will have no ICD on his E, that's particularly why Childe works SO well as an enabler, he has so many instances of DMG and he's actually able to overtake my XL + Kazuha burst. Definitely one of the more unique characters that will take long to be replaced ngl
I just want to point out that for floor 12 Diluc is using what is arguably his best team comp while Kokomi is using a team comp that maximizes her personal damage but minimizes her utility. Kokomi Taser is absolutely insane but I get that it would be difficult to showcase it without bringing the attention out of Kokomi. I'm sure Kokomi's case is also true for Mona, but I'm actually not sure what Main DPS Mona's best team comp is. I would assume it's a taser comp as well. edit: coming back to the replies, I now realize this was actually mentioned in the closing statements of the video. Electro-charged Kokomi really is the better team comp for her (where she is the main on-field DPS/driver). Obviously, she's better utilized as a support for Ayaka.
It's also cos the Abyssal blessing right now favors the EC reaction so it would be meaningless to use it without it being skewed. But that's right, EC is her best as DPS Kokomi 😤
That's true because like iwtl explaining in start video "High Floor Low Ceiling" is hard to Maximize kokomi damage in the end not worth. In iwtl abyss section abyss i rather change Yunjin to Fischl for another damage source.
@@daegham6006 uhh no he carried my nab ass through the entire early and mid even now at ar 56 I use him sometimes in abyss(he was my first 36 star)… he is fun, consistent and gets most things done.
@@kaze8930 been clearing abyss with Diluc 36 star for 11 times in a row. Not gonna lie though my Diluc is abnormally stronger than most f2p Hutao but thats because my crimson witch is godly. My stats are 89crit rate 198 crit dmg.
But why Kokomi had no access to reaction on abyss 12? Like Kokomi + Xiangling or something? If the two other characters had so much dps came from other character
@@ramensales3967 yeah, the best option would be taser electro combo like Fischl, but is not viable due to abyss currently electro bonus... But still, my point is just that Kokomi is awesome as a DPS
As an OG mona main dps user, this video is making me smile. In the early day of genshin, I said to my friends that main dps mona is underated and this video just prove it to everyone else. Just a tips for main dps mona, N2C is your best combo even if you have her at C2 but if you played her as beidou driver than N4 jump cancel is the best.
To be fair to kokomi in Abyss, she's works better with a Taser team there, Fischl and Beidou/Raiden. Might've taken out Geovishap faster too with Koko/Mona/Fischl/Beidou, maybe
I really wish people would stop shitting on Diluc. So annoying to see such an awesome character get clowned because he doesn't do a billion damage. But then people will complain about powercreep and trivial endgame in the same breath 🤔😒
@@RudeXII explain how a character who clears the same content a few seconds after the best dps characters sucks 🤔? That's the problem, too many people have a metaslave mentality where if a char isn't doing the most damage then they're bad. This mentality is part of the reason why this community is so damn toxic
I WANT YOU TO TRY OUT 2 teams with ayato for his release. 1.ayato freeze with venti rosa mona ayato 2.ayato yoimiya vape with yunjin and bennet.(ayato can be used as only E with shiminawa set and yoimiya can use 4set cw or 2cw and 2 nobless and both yoimiya and ayato will dps like raiden eula).the team has good aoe and good single target dmg if it works .yoimiya ult have low icd)
As a Kokomi simp from day one when everyone was still hating on her, it's incredibly satisfying to watch her dumpster through these fights and outcompete these other two. You love to see it!
Kokomi doesn't deal that that much damage just her faster attacks with xingqiu's burst deals that much damage... And for mona's case her damages come from charge & burst so this isn't fair at all...
What's awesome is diluc is lorewise meant to be "the dawn that purifies the dark", so he is super strong against enemies affected by cryo, but that's the same with every pyro character... Any ideas on how you guys would buff diluc? His multipliers are really high already, and his playstyle is polarizing, some like it, some hate it, so instead of those 2 things, how would you buff him?
Sure, I'll give my two cents. Change his first ascension passive, first and foremost. He rarely, if ever, uses charge attacks (I can only name two claymore characters who would ever use them - Noelle and Itto), so it need to be oriented for another part of his kit. It shouldn't be overwhelmingly strong, but it need to give him a little more oomph. My ideas for his A1: - Perhaps using his Elemental Skill temporarily increases Normal Attack speed with each cast, stacking up to a point? Let's say increasing attack speed by 7%/14%/21%. This could mess with his constellations, but that assumes his constellations remain unchanged. - Maybe enemies hit by his Elemental Skill can have temporary stacking decreases in Pyro resistance; say, 4%/8%/12%. Moving on, bump up his normal attack scaling by 10-15%, and his Elemental Skill scaling by 15-20%. And for crying out loud, make his burst animation faster! This would be a fundamental change to his burst that would also inherently change the design, but perhaps the phoenix launched by his burst can 'detonate' on the first enemy hit, so he doesn't have the issue of dragging enemies away from his effective range (similar to Keqing's problem of knocking enemies away with her charged attack while simultaneously stepping backwards). Its damage would have to increase to make up for the lack of hits that occur while the burst is 'dragging' enemies, but he needed some more damage anyway. - Because it no longer deals that DoT (damage-over-time, which is 108% at talent level 10), his burst damage (again, at talent level 10) should change from 367.2% to something like 450-500%. His constellations (although this is a finicky one, because people pay for this stuff) also need work, I think. (C3 and C5 are like any character's C3 and C5 and should remain unchanged.) - C1 is fine. 15% damage versus >50% HP opponents isn't a huge increase, but it's not a super high constellation, and there are worse ones. - C2 needs a rework. For any who aren't acquainted, it's "When Diluc takes DMG, his ATK increases by 10% and his ATK SPD increases by 5%. Lasts for 10s. This effect can stack up to 3 times and can only occur once every 1.5s". It works through shields, but this playstyle encourages Diluc to get hit many times, and unless you're Hu Tao or Kuki Shinobu, that just seems kind of... counterintuitive. My own idea is the following- "Any ally (including Diluc) inflicting a Vaporize, Melt, Overload, or Pyro-infused Swirl reaction raises Diluc's Crit Damage by 8% and his ATK by 10%, stacking up to 24% and 30%, respectively. This effect lasts for 8s, and is refreshed for each reaction." - C4 is great. If his Normal Attacks are altered by any potential changes, however, this may need to see change in tandem with his C6. - C6 is also fine; again, it might need to be fixed to properly accommodate changes to his Normal Attack speed, which this directly correlates with.
I'm surprised you didn't show forward vape charged attack Mona, tho I have don't actually have a clue if it's fast or not but I find it really fun, doing 100k+ charged attacks
Diluc’s nice. I got him with an R3 WGS. But man. Even if I didn’t have Hutao, I’d choose Xiangling more this time around in the end game. Diluc’s BiS artifact is the Crimson Witch. Which you need 4pcs and lets be honest. Its one of the shittest tier domain. You’d get 3K Lavawalkers before getting one decent CW. This alone already makes building him troublesome. Add also the lack of decent claymores to work with, as there’s only a few choices. Xiangling can work with The Catch, a literally grindable considerably OP polearm, some decent EoSF 4pc set, and she can already perform really well. AND you’re not wasting much of your resin, bc both artifacts are useful universally. And this is with both having the best support too. Bennett, Xinqiu, Kazuha/Sucrose. I also doubt they’d revisit Diluc for a rework. Nonetheless, he’s a husbando collection must for most.
I played Taser Kokomi (C0, TTODS, TotM) with Yae (C2 R1), Fischl and Sucrose (both C6). I was quite surprised for the amount of sustained damage, while comfortably clearing everything in F12 at 100% HP. I think this Abyss is overall easy, and more rewarding for sustained than nuke damage, still I never thought I’d be able to clear it so easily without using my Ayaka + Ganyu freeze teamcomp.
i will give some advice to you about Kokomi in taser team, if kokomi still have field time (usually for end rotation with kokomi burst and doing damage) better with Artifact OHC set that ToTM set for better output damage team. And one thing, if sucrose in your team better out TTDS on sucrose and Kokomi using Hakushin Ring.
@@maheza56 yeah ikr.. but she got a 45K HP build, so during her burst she deals respectable damage while as a pure driver can buff the whole team. And, most importantly, grinding a new domain for a full set without needing to get Husk pieces.. maybe I’m lazy but no more pain, just fun.
@@dariosaviors for me better get husk rather than Clam set with Crit substat. Seriously that domain still hard to get "Great" substat clam set for kokomi(Applied to tenacity set too) because that artifact is Crit magnet good for of piece bad for kokomi lmao.
At this point mihoyo probably should make begginer banner for diluc just like Noelle Edit: I post a comment just as joke and seems like it turned into Ukraine kind of situation 😅
i find it funny how it is possible to powercreep characters with mere burst animation duration shortening most of the new characters don't force you to sit through *"Dawn of the rise of the planet of the elemental burst"* in recent times
I hope there will be supports that actually buff hp. I mean, we already have def buff supports. 🥺 Or dendro resonance could be that. I'll get my own C6 Kokomi someday. 😭
Now do a DPS showdown with Kokomi vs DPS Barbara that every Kokomi hater(those who kept on rambling about her -100% crit rate and making it a really big deal). lmao
Barbara full crit= little healing Barbara healer build= little damage But if you build healer kokomi you still has decent damage (9-11k autos when ult) + 30k damage from 4pc Clam+ 36-40k hp+ 6k-8k heal per tick
@@Milimilimiw thanks to ocean hurd clam you can still build a pretty good hybrid barbara honestly. It's not gonna be Kokomi levels of course but if you really need a healer doing damage it works pretty well (or if you just don't wanna wish for Kokomi)
@@danielcarrilho5217 I don't care if Barbara wins. The point is Kokomi isn't that bad like what people think. Plus Kokomi can still heal when doing DPS unlike Barabara that she need as separate build to do DPS and heal like the one comment here
I've read the disclaimer so I'm not here to complain or anything. But I just want to point out that Diluc and Mona don't have their own weapon unlike Kokomi, and Diluc's kit and artifact set are made for pyro reactions, so it's (obviously) not a fair comparison.
diluc and mona- a lower dmg potential mona- do abt the same in spiral tho. sure we can take kokomi out of this but in the end he does put them in full teams where diluc takes advantage of elemental reactions and still does worse than mona with a sub-optimal weapon and not being played correctly. this is to say if youd watch the video its a fair comparison esp considering this is someone using all of what we have in game currently to compare them.
What I think is the situation here is that Hoyoverse expected every player to *eventually* have a C6 Rsomething Diluc even if their luck is horrible and they lose practically every 50/50 on a limited banner dps character, they really should stop bumping up health pools to the point where even a C6 Diluc feels like you're slapping a brick wall with a wet rag. The fact that Kokomi, who is specifically designed to have an extremely low ceiling on her damage at worst just keeps up with him but beats him more often than not is in my eyes, a design oversight that they should at least try mitigating.
I love mona and I’m happy to use her in freeze teams but yeah she feels pretty clunky. I wish she was smoother or her skill did a little more or smth but that’s ok lol
try her with a weapon that doesn't require a PhD to proc her skills, like Dodoco tales, Solar Pearl, Song and Wine etc. All 4* weapons, but they offer unconditional buff.
I've accidentally been using Kokomi as a DPS for so long now I forgot other people really don't consider her viable in that field; all because she can't crit... (when I say accidentally I mean I built her with her clam set and TTDS r5, and just threw on healing artifacts and whatever didn't have crit substats) Idk I think for the effort put in to building Kokomi it is worth it in the end. She's definitely a pain in the butt to build (I'm mad that they only nerfed the spectors after I ascended her all the way) but once you have her around the 70-80 mark she starts getting RIDICULOUS. I personally run her with Xingqiu to get the Hydro resonance; but once they update that and change it to an increase in Max HP rather than Healing we'll probably see even greater damage come from Kokomi due to how her talents scale. Which I'm excited for. Before I had farmed for better artifacts there was a short time where my Kokomi was a better DPS unit than my Xiao ☠ I believe that's changed now but Koko's raw damage is nothing to sneeze at. Edit: also didn't know about Super Masanori! Gonna test him out myself now!
Accounting for the RNG component as well human variance in the quality of each run it seems like it would be worth doing 2-3 runs for each and then using the average times as your reference instead of sticking with your first run for each. Considering each run is only around ~30 seconds it wouldn’t take that much extra time for you and be well worth it for more reliable data imo
Kokomi is the best hydro applicator and, in my opinion, the best in freeze team since, instead of Diona, you can pick another damage dealer character like Rosaria or Shenhe since Kokomi is the greatest hydro applicator and can also heal.
I wonder if Hoyo would add a sort of "watersoother" set for charas to do extra 35% dmg to enemies affected by Hydro XD It would be interesting to see what that would do for a DPS Kokomi but it's nice seeing the Clam set in full use on her. Now...if I could only get her before the banner is over @_@
There are at least 2 graphical errors that I spotted. Lmk if you find them 😞
Also check out Shintenzu's TH-cam for top tier Diluc and Xiao play: th-cam.com/users/Shintenzux
Disappointed 😞😔
1. You wrote 12-3-1 as 12-2-1
2. You said no boys allowed - but brought venti!
In 12-2-1 Mona and Diluc finished in 18 seconds but it was shown 20 while Kokomo was 26 as on time making us thing the time gap is not much
Edit:- on watching it again diluc finished it in 16 sec and Mona 17 which is 10 and nine faster than kokomi respectively!
I love how much audio is improved here! No loud bass and clear perfect voice :D
diluc's time on the ice salad appears when Mona kills it and vice versa?
In conclusion:
Diluc needs supports
Kokomi does not need supports
Mona is a support
Edit: Damm in famous 🤡
That is pretty much every pyro dps unit they all need a off field hydro application.
Pyro is hard carried by Xingqiu
@@thecrazyremy Except xiangling, she is built different
This💯💯😄😉
@@Emmerld wdym? Xiangling is hard carried by bennett and xingqiu
Me as a keqing main: at least keqing isn't "showcased" here
with c6 sara and mistplitter existing i wouldn't be surprised if she could beat diluc at this point. if only he didn't have a C6 benny we could see a more fair comparison with kekking.
She should be there instead of Mona, cause DPS Kokomi is legit, Mona sustained DPS isn't, she's fine as burst DPS tough
With C6 sara r5 mistsplitter C6 kazuha, keqing easily beats out diluc these days
@@RA-ux3fu it should given how much money that team costs XD
@@flavoure I'm comparing against whaled out diluc team. This is a whale channel
So a C6 diluc, r5 wolve, C6 Bennett C6 xq C6 kazuha etc. That costs the same amount
Also one thing good about Kokomi is she doesn't need crit "fishing".
wouldn’t say it’s a good thing bc it makes every crit roll on artifacts wasted
When the fish doesn’t need fishing
@@manzowski crit fishing refers to repeating a fight in order to get lucky and crit more often.
You seem to be thinking about rolling artifacts
@@manzowski hence you dont need to stress yourself on getting crit rolls lol. hp and energy recharge are your bestfriends
@@garreth321 And get can get away farming for a week or two than for 3 months or more
It's funny that the thing holding Diluc back the most is that he's a slow claymore user. Llike if his attacks were a bit faster he'd compete more.
It's funny when you see in cutscenes he's fast :c but I still love him
it would be mathematically correct
He's actually really fast for a claymore user because of the skill chaining with auto attacks
ugh... we just need to wait for some nice claymore to come out... in a few years 🥴
He doesn't do enough damage for how much time he has to stay on the field
Expected Kokomi gameplay: "I'll do my best to heal everybody pls protect me ok? uwu"
Actual Kokomi gameplay: "TASTE THE WRATH OF THE ALMIGHTY WATER"
Right?
My Kokomis damage is amazing too.
And I don’t hear enough people praising how she can do hydro application, LOTS of healing, tank and do a consistent 10k or more off field bubble pop.
There's a comic where Kokomi is facing Sara on the battlefield, and tl:dr tells her "You can bring as many soldiers you want. You'll run out of men before I run out of water to drown them in."
Eat me water 🐋🦈🐟🐬🦈🐠🦈🐳
@@biandanxious3438 the damage isn't a lot to be fair. A xingqiu with the same investment can do 10k per rainsword off field, and he shoots 4 of them at a time at a faster rate
@Aether I was talking about off field damage, which the guy I replied to was talking about lol
I recommend checking out the #1 Mona simp LACola for some sick Mona clips.
She may be stressful to set up for vapes but when you do it right it feels so damn stylish.
Indeed
Mona is probably the best Nuker in the game. Her Q has an insanely high multiplier, her Omen is a pure damage boost, and she can vape it because she's hydro. It's just pretty awkward to set it up right and that's why it is mostly used just for screenshot showcases.
Yeah LaCola, I wonder how much time to train in order to flex his ability to handle mona that stylish.
Yeah you can do that for like how many maybe?
Yeah you can do that for like how many maybe?
Iwtlg during freeze showcase: "One last showcase where no boys are allowed."
*Also Iwtlg having venti in both teams.*
Mr genshin mathematician are you trying to imply something?
i mean, in character story 4 we do find out that venti was originally a genderless elemental spirit who then created his body in the form of the “eccentric ruler.” he’s only given he/him pronouns in the story once he takes the form of the ruler, so technically, venti *is* genderless 👀
@@cxrindgo no he took the form of his friend who was male so he does have a gender basically
@@aestheticspinalcord3713 depends on if you consider the form venti’s in to be “him” or not, i guess. i think of it more as playing a role, as he creates that form in the image of the ruler, rather than that being the “real venti.“ but yeah, depends on how you see it.
edit: i checked for clarification and the phrasing is that venti “reconstituted” into the form of the friend, implying in my mind that he could reverse this and return to being simply an entity. there’s also a case to be had that whatever form venti’s in at the time is his true self, but it’s really up to perspective
stop using a fictional Demigod who can create his own body at will as justification for your delusions. Yall never have that.
@@aestheticspinalcord3713 Simply having a physical body does not assign you a gender, especially when that body is more of a vessel or avatar than it is the actual being.
It’s so crazy how people swore up and down when she came out that Kokomi was awful. She was really judged unfairly and I think part of it was people blowing off steam/taking their anger from the anni out on her (and her fans and her CN va too sadly).
They knew 100% what they were doing when they designed and released Kokomi. And this just shows it.
Also. Small edit. I do think that even though he’s fallen from the dps leaderboard, he’ll still put in the work if you still want to use him. You’ll just have to keep his flaws in mind and it’ll take a bit longer for you to notice results compared to more updated pyro dps’s
What a lot of people ignores is that she doesn't make huge numbers but she's consistent. She's also stupid easy to build.
Ehm, no. Kokomi is awful. I deliberately roll for Kokomi on her rerun for my Ganyu-Shenhe team and I also foud out that millelith Kokomi is very good with Yoimiya as in she enables vapes and no need for XQ. But this teams are not meta.
I think kokomi was awful but the release of her artifacts made her viable. Also mihoyo deliberately changed meta to make her useful.
@@Crazmuss Except the literal meta freeze comp rn is Ayaka Shenhe Kokomi Kazuha. Only issue is that it's very expensive since it's all 5*s so you're generally better off going some variant of it. Aside from that Kokomi is the go-to hydro for freeze and on-field EC comps.
@@sweetillusions5495 only issue is that national is better.
Something to note is that this abyss ruin graders have high physical resistance so its hurts kokomi bubble damage a lot
last I checked bubble damage isn’t affect by res
@@HunterTheSimp as a kokomi main I think it does get effected by res. It's possible to do 31k bubbles after doing superconduct. What it doesn't get effected by is dmg bonus (if you put a physical dmg goblet it won't actually buff her damage)
@@HunterTheSimp it is. I once tested the bubble with and without superconduct and there clearly is a difference. It's counted as physical damage
@@HunterTheSimp it does, that's why if you group her with c6 Rosaria which gives 20% PHYS reduction it makes her bubble's DMG higher. Same with a Superconduct team, ZL's shield, and Shenhe's burst.
@@HunterTheSimp it is, why the fuck you think we use superconduct to boost the bubble damage ffs
This video seems to come at the right moment for me since I just pulled Kokomi and Mona in the same ten-pull two day ago. Immediately build the two of them and upgraded most of their talents, including normal attacks to level 9 (because yes, I am an absolute madman even though now I got no resources left lol) and I was really surpirsed to see how both of them could achieve 40-50k with a vaporized charged attack! They can dish out some serious damage! This says a lot about some characters that are universally acknowledged as pure dps. I mean, Diluc here (and probably others) got beat at their only job!
Well, Kokomi/Mona can't vape as consistent as Diluc. Also, how many stamina Kokomi and Mona takes to just do one charge? You see? Kokomi is a little relevant as dps with high constelations and R5 weapon (donut that only she uses), out of that she's is not a good dps and is lower in damage than Diluc c0.
Kokomi is a amazing taser user, if you have fischl or beidou she helps a lot
@@JoseMiguel-db6sh sounds like copium to me
@@JoseMiguel-db6sh
I wasn't saying that their vape charged attacks are viable, far from it, it's just that I find amazing that characters that aren't supposed to be dps, in this case a support and a healer, can do that much damage. Diluc is a main dps but can't support or heal. He' s not bad, but we all know that he's been powercrept af
@@JoseMiguel-db6sh Don't tell me that you didn't know that this game consists of a 4 member team?
I find Barbara falling through the sky more satisfying than watching Childe be abused
Dont hate my boy childe and my girl Barbara
same
@@davelife1166 not me I prefer childe abuse
@isaac coomer im going to call childe protective services
@@cringemaster1307 those are pretty bad at their job, with the golden teahouse domain
This is the reason why i tell people that they shouldn’t be afraid of kokomi making the team’s dps go down by a lot. Even a c0 kokomi could output at leasy around consistent 30k in just 3/4 seconds if you need heals (if you use HP/Hydro/healing bonus) during her burst. She’s an emergency button for people with skill issues.
If you use her properly she'd boost dps rather than dunk it down
She's pretty much a higher skill floor zhongli.
imagine finishing the abyss without the threat if dying lmaaaao
And in most teams you don't even need to use Kokomi's normal attacks at all.
I FUCKING LOVE HOW YOU DESCRIBE HER AS A EMERGENCY BUTTON THO BAHAHAHAHA
Poor diluc went from the best dps to a decent character. 😔 I still love him tho
nah thats crazy ik he got powercrept but to fall like this? smh never seen my boy at a lower point
A healer out performing him while doing solo DPS is an insult to the injury.
he was never the best dps
@@koalazzzzzz You clearly haven’t been playing the game since it got released. Who was better than Diluc at dps? Literally no other character.
@@blahblahsuperanon xiangling?
happy to see my queen (Kokomi) holding her own very well 😊 I run her with C6 Fischl, Beidou, and Aloy to maximize AOE damage and her bubble pops, and the team is so much fun to use and basically plays itself. I get a similar sense of satisfaction from it as I do from a Raiden National team, but without the headache caused by flashes from Raiden's skill
Kills me to see my homie diluc fall like this...
Ikr.
Just give him a tailor made weapon and get at least eula performance
@Aether nah he doesn't. During game release, the entire meta was made for him and they forgot about other characters
He had his time to shine already. Let him rest
@@ozkanozorhan4409 ok that's copium
@@ozkanozorhan4409 ye thats bs
diluc getting outdps by a healer
IM GONNA CRY FOR HIM
What do u mean.... He didn't use Vape Diluc... Who in the world runs Diluc without Vape..... Even tho he mentioned Solo...... That's not fair... Cuz the other 2 can't vape consistently like Diluc so Diluc's biggest advantage isn't utilised here... The other 2 seriously can't...
Istg I m extremely salty noe
And the Healer can't crit lmao
Diluc is a bad better for how slow his attacks are but he is still really good at the same time with reactions and this video did not show reaction diluc
@@Violate.. he showed vape diluc for abyss
When the healer does more damage than the DPS
Sounds like shitty isekai title ngl
@@littleboss2006 💀💀💀
@@littleboss2006 I'd probably watch something like that ngl
@@littleboss2006 Shitty Isekai, does sound like a great watch though XD
I think more videos of dps showdowns with not dps caracters would be very interesting
"More videos with no dps characters"
Diluc: 💀
@@luke-il5nr "stop, he's already dead-"
@@luke-il5nr best utility bird killer 💪💪🔥
@@hutao5958 th-cam.com/video/EM68XxFegms/w-d-xo.html
@@luke-il5nr damn a xiao user being all high and mighty eh last time I checked xiao lost to qiqi
But why couldn't we let Bennett destroy the shield in the first demo so Diluc's Burst can hit the plant without the overwhelming resistance like the others?
because that'd probably take longer. iwtl
starts timing when the core gets broken and dilucs burst animation would just make him take more time
because that will just waste even more time on the animation I guess, in only takes like 6 seconds to kill the tree, a 2-3 second burst animation is way too long in this case
Diluc's burst takes too long
He did showed that in background footage of dilucs explanation of the regisvine run it took 7.50 sec
Tfw y'all complaining about Dilucs burst when in reality it's actually pretty short💀
For the spiral run, electro charged might be better for Kokomi. Electro charged gives her AOE and is very effective vs wolves.
He knows that, and even shows a taser comp for her at the end. However, he wanted her to be the main source of damage. With a taser team, the electros tend to steal the show.
@@Axterix13 wait but then why does he use Klee as a dps for half of the Mona showcase
@@jacksond7956 he didnt actually, he used mona to clear out the first wave then use klee to clear out the second wave
@@hoanghuuhung3393 yeah so like I said, half…
Mona for the first wave and Klee for the second lol
@@jacksond7956 you want mona Vs water slimes ?
Fun fact: You can cancel animation mona's auto with her skill at the end of her combo, this will help her tremendously when dpsing with c2
people who don’t have kokomi are just not gonna understand kokomi 💀 in addition to everything kokomi already did (hydro enabler, healer, tank, i mean seriously if you manage her cooldowns, not being at 100% hp is the real endgame challenge) her artifact set almost gives her albedo-like sub dps, just as physical damage. i’m not gonna say she’s INSANE UNFAIR BROKEN POWERCREEP EMBODIED overall obviously, but her role compression truly is NOTHING to be scoffed at, so if you want that let me tell you, it’s extremely valuable and you will not regret getting her (if you like her character too obviously)
Ei: who?
She buffs, gives tons of energy, 5 times the amount of DPS.
Who is more valuable now
they really do not want to see Kokomi win
@@manhwa_mercy Raiden is obviously more valuable than Kokomi but it doesn’t mean Kokomi is bad and they fill completely different role.
Fr our initial assumption about kokomi weren’t right and she is more valuable than we thought but some ppl haven’t realized that yet
it’s hilarious to me when people still say kokomi is shit. the only people who think that are the ones who don’t have her 😂
I think Mhy's balancing is if your character has a higher skill floor or constraints, they'll have higher damage
More specifially, if you need ton of energy for your burst or lose your infusion on swap, you'll tend to have higher damage
It's not completely consistent but it may be a risk vs reward thing
22:05 the comparison of kokomi and mona brings 2 points that everyone looks over
1. kokomi in freeze team is faster than mona bc she takes less field time and her hydro application is just better plus she can heal while using ttds, very good against pyro lectors, wolves, primordial bathysmal vishap and so MAYBE more enemies in the future.
2. venti is preffered in speedrunning in this specific abyss' first half even though most of the enemies are unsuccable bc compared to kazuha, he requires less field time and restores 15 energy for ayaka and shenhe w the cryo infuse of his burst for the next chamber.
Diluc carried me in the early game. But when I started doing abyss and learned about national team , sadly I forgot about him.
Why XL getting stronger every patch and the early 5 stars like diluc and keqing fall deeper
Keqing actually got buffed with mistsplitter and c6 Sara, Diluc hasn’t got any kind of buff since release
Yeah, he really want that crit damage claymore, but unfortunately the passive not sync with him, just for stat stick
@@thecrazyremy u can buff ur diluc by simply going to Bennett, clicking "constellation" and activating his c6!!!! 🌚
Literally Xiangling became stronger and stronger each patch starting from the artifacts to weapons that's good for her and is F2P friendly and characters that really works well with her aspecially Cryo and hydro characters
@Aether ok?
Man, Diluc is in a dire need of a rework. His DPS was painful to watch and unlike Koko and Mona he doesn't have an excuse for it.
As a Diluc main... he really needs vape or melt... he just does not work without reactions 💀 Seeing his performance without reactions is just painful, given how slow he already attacks
Fr, why the hell did Mihoyo nerf his attack speed?
@@killerspreet7318 did they?? isn't it the whole point of claymore users where they attack slower but have bigger damage
I know right? 😂 He really isn't meant to be played solo. He needs a good team. The highest damage I saw was 100k+ Like, that's very average for an end game Diluc, esp a Diluc that's C6R5.
@@louise4152 Yeah I believe Diluc, Fischl and Venti got their attack speed nerfed. Diluc is painfully slow. Even Noelle attacks faster.
@@rfnasua5350 yeah for sure, my friend's diluc is way better
Diluc might get worse every patch, but he's still one of the more fun characters to play, to me. Very easy because his infusion isn't lost on swap, and very fun because you get to just spam his flashy E skill and big autos. Wish I could get some constellations for him instead of the C4 Keqing I have...
Mihoyo rly tries to mess with us. They give us what we doesn't need and doesn't give what we need
and you get to LARP as batman
I have him c3 with 2 crowns but it's sad to see that there are characters with less build who do more damage. Unfortunately it makes me consider rerolling to newer dps characters. I hope this will get a fix soon.
@@alluvian7681 same feelings except im c1 😭 i love him, he's been with me since the beginning and has been my main until I got hu tao
ill give u my c0 diluc so u could get c1 and ill give u my c4 keqing - keqing main
Dps slowdown with diluc hurt my feelings but still a good video regardless
@today was a good day
Finally the bot is here
@@SAMI-oo3xz finally u r here
This showcase was unfair. There are many reasons but I think almost everyone is smart enough to know why.
@@Infernaladmiral ya. he had to have a weaker kokomi team in the abys run so diluc stood a chance
@@plomyde6170 it was a simple observation yet you failed at it. Try again
Me as Diluc main since the first time touching Genshin Impact : PAIN in HEART
I can understand it all too well...
Saaaaame... I've played Genshin for almost a yr now, and other than Zhongli, Diluc was my most wanted. Now recently i have both, and unless i like a character more than Diluc, or have the need for more power in abyss, he is never coming off my team, because i'm glad i get to enjoy a game playing the characters i want purely cz i like them! ^w^
@@sumyguck8094 th-cam.com/video/EM68XxFegms/w-d-xo.html
The pain is real ;-;
I mains diluc since i lost 50-50 in the venti banner but now i got bored of him especially childe's team(childe,raiden,xl,bennett) is so much more satisfying than diluc's. But still, i gotta give him some respect since he carried me through the whole game
If you did Barbara instead of Diluc, this video would probably be named "DPS Showdown: Who's the best hydro catalyst?"
JUST LETTING U KNOW IWTL, I LIVE for your videos on Genshin, they are so entertaining and yet so informative at the same time. No other content creator comes close to making content in your style, and just wanted to let you know to keep it up! Great work.
Whenever we have a community vote for next damage showcase, we will end up picking Mona just to make iwintolose go through hell making his video
I got Mona over a year ago and have her at C2 now. Yes, she is slower and a bit clunky, but I love her so much that she's always somewhere in my teams 🥰 When I'm doing Abyss she's my support and for exploration I use her as my dps and sub -dps
Is it only me who feels like iwtl isn't playing diluc rotation right? Why is he doing the complete NA rotation to his E ?
It should be N1,N2 then E or N1,N2,N3 then E no?
Idk maybe it has something to do with having high constellations since it affects his combo
No, you are correct. It should be N3 E dash/jump x3 then ult at the end of the combo. Basically was just spamming left click instead of using CW passive. Also that is no where near 95% Diluc for a whale standard. His flower, goblet, and head piece are all bad based on whale standards. Not to mention having so much ATK and a useless Wolf buff that doesn't get triggered for 90% of the fight. I am not saying Diluc is top dps, however to say this is 95% optimized dps Diluc is just false even with the wrong combo.
Plus diluc needs to vape unlike kokomi or mona to be at his max potential
@@TheZanger101 he's also not using an EM sands even with the WGS
@@TheZanger101 Did you somehow miss the part where he said the 95% is including food buffs?
i triple crowned kokomi and use her as my main, this should be interesting
Yay, another triple crowned Kokomi main!
I only double crowned her because i am really broke but i will soon join such leagues
im planning on triple crowning her as well! its good and refreshing to hear others doing it!
I triple crowned her on the second week after her initial release, have never looked back. She is my absolute favorite!!
@@waterlily5901 same even after getting her in her first banner i still haven't crowned her because I was so focused on maxing out my raiden and keqing
LOL, this is a very unique concept. Love to see this kind of videos again in the future.
Paradoxically for Mona " Song and Wine" catalyst is more practical even if is a 4* weapon. The raw "damage per second" is lower, but is more consistent in a long fight.
Lmao breaking out the developer console for the poll, love it xD
Lol Diluc may be an outdated DPS but he'll always be a timeless husbando. Also thank you for the lovely video as always! I would love to see a DPS slow down between the four starters if you ever wanted to do that!
I agree !
Dilucs personality is trash, his design isnt that good. What makes him a timeless hus bando?
I've noticed that in that Diluc abyss team (which is also one of my two standard abyss teams with a c0 diluc and I still manage to get 36 stars) his damage goes up when you start with Xingqiu to absorb hydro into Kazuha's ult and then swirl pyro off Benny's ult after because Diluc vapes consistently like that instead of Xingqiu.
I don't know if I explained that well but that's just what I've noticed when I played.
You should have gotten Laloca to do the Mona showcases.
He's probably the best Mona player out there.
He most likely is, I sadly felt Iwtl misplayed Mona a lot during the video 😞
If some of these old characters on the standard banner are so bad I feel like Mihoyo should, I dunno, be legally obligated in some manner to either buff them, get rid of them, or create a new standard banner. Getting not Jean/Mona seems like a complete and utter trap.
I remember the early months when Diluc was considered the most OP DPS and now he's on a DPS slowdown against a healer. Lololol
He’s not just on it….he’s losing!
@@shanehubble I wrote this comment when I started the video so I wasn't sure where he stood. I still find it very amusing. I feel the same way about Diluc as Diona so this makes me smile.
@Aether idk. He just always rubbed me the wrong way. Haha. I did lose pity with him but thankfully he was the second to last standard 5 star for me to get. I'll be more upset if he comes home anymore because I won't ever use him so his cons will be wasted.
@@Fae4Play "rubbed me the wrong way" Bro? 🤨
@@lifepasses1875 it can't be comfortable living in the gutter.
I'm building my Mona. Shes so much fun to play. I already have a stacked Xingqiu and Yelan, and I love Mona's kit so much. Plus she's smoking hot. Having said that, I wish I had Kokomi. I just couldn't spend any primos during her recent rerun banner. But I did the test run with her a dozen times and loved her.
Kokomi is a Healer, Tank, and also Can Slap using her fishes so let's hail the watatsumi priestess!!! 🙌
Also Yoimiya burst with Kokomi doing NA is a Bomb
Chad Non Meta Users
yoimiya burst has icd and doesnt even do that much dmg
@@leovu8500 Well in my experience my Kokomi is doing vaporized with Yoimiya's ult 🤷
@@exiius in that case, xiangling would apply pyro better than yoimiya. not saying you shouldnt run them together, but its just not as good
Yoimiya is so fun to play with kokomi imo. Shes rly squishy so the heals help a lot and the constant vape is so useful! Even ayaka and kokomi is fun to play ^^
im confused. how come in the azdaha, maguu kenki and masanori tests, kokomi and mona get to have geo resonance while diluc only gets a mono pyro + honorary zhongli? is there any specific reason for that team comp?
i assumed that maybe yanfei was there to hold TTDS but this might not be the case since at 08:17, 10:46 and 13:44 yanfei dropping her E generates white particles (so fav codex ?) but also because the TTDS buff wouldnt last long enough for diluc's dps window.
also for your abyss showcase, would taking advantage of kazuha's c2 help diluc's damage? like xingqiu EQ > kazuha EQ > bennett Q > kazuha E (pyro swirl) > diluc's Q ? ofc this rotation also boosts xingqiu's dmg but the rotation you used (pyro kazuha Q) steals diluc's vapes iirc which prolly affects dilucs personal vape damage
That geo res for the other characters was to balance out damage potentials.
You should watch the very start of the video again. IWTL does it so they can be at an equal (well as equal as possible) playing field
I thought Mona is a better option in freeze than Kokomi because of Omen buff and she can use prototype amber so I expect a big different. but it’s very surprising Kokomi did it just slightly faster here
That's only true when you have Ganyu as main DPS. When you have Shenhe and Ayayaka, Kokomi is usually better.
@@bloody4558 I tried Ganyu with Mona+Diona vs Kokomi+Rosaria and to my surprise, Kokomi's version was faster
@@nansssa9125 probably because of the clam set. You can't ignore that beefy physical damage. Not to mention you lose a lot of freezing due to Mona can't apply hydro consistently even if you have enough er for her rotation she still needs time to position her skill unlike Kokomi's jellyfish who resets. Mona is only better if you have a whaled dps and can 1 shot enemies but even then why would you need Mona if your dps can do it alone.
@Nighter Try Ganyu Mona(tenacity + prototype amber) Venti, Rosaria (Noblesse).
Mona is way better in this version
@@finnthedog5321 ttods tenacity kokomi would slightly outperform mona in a freeze team. Sure, you have the omen buff with mona but her long burst animation would be a dps loss plus atk% is more valuable than omen dmg bonus because there's no amplifying reactions in freeze. And btw, tenacity mona is inefficient because her skill has downtime so it's better for mona to be a noblesse user.
i actually retired my keqing so kokomi could be my main dps in the abyss
pairing her with mona, rosaria and sayu (for vv purposes) makes her damage insane, and mona is a good battery, allowing kokomi to have a minimal downtime
definitely the best investment i ever did for a unit
Is your Rosaria c6? Cos if it is, it's a great help for Koko's bubble DMG 🌊🌊
You should try taser team kokomi it's much better
Where are u learning these from?
There's no way investing into a Kokomi Hypercarry comp can ever be any kind of good investment
It's fine for you to like Kokomi but be aware of what you're doing...know what you're doing....
@@Ben-vg6ox by that logic, people who invest in Mona, Keqing, Kaeya, Razor, and Diluc as hypercarries are also bad according to your opinion. They should be crucified as well. Yet here we are, diversifying our choices instead of sticking purely on meta. 🤣 She may not be top tier DPS alone but her diverse team comp makes up for it and opens up new avenues for team chemistry.
In conclusion, respect other people's choices on who to main and let them have that experience instead of shitting on it just cos it's not to your meta taste. This game isn't hard anyway to warrant meta only comps, go eat some grass or smthn. 🥱
@@Ben-vg6ox If they're clearing abyss with Kokomi and having fun with the way they're playing, that's a good investment. Having fun maximizing your favorite characters' strengths is most important, this is just a game after all.
Lmao as someone who built Keqing, I can only giggle at those who are sad that Diluc got out-DPS’d.
Haha especially those hardcore copers who kept defending Diluc.
Diluc's only hope is reactions tbh, at least Keqing has pretty decent scalings (except her ult, it's so cool to look at but the scalings is... WHY)
Diluc is still missing a top tier weapon like mistsplitter or jade cutter that Keqing has access to. Once he gets that I’d bet he would beat out Keqing
@@itsdomd0misticn00b7 her ult still gives crit rate tho
@@thecrazyremy that doesn't matter... who the hell deals only 5k on each slashes?? it's so damn low 😭
Can't Wait For ayato vs childe dps showdown!! Love ur vids btw ❤️
As a Childe national main I know Ayato is going to dumpster him. :/
Time move left and 5 stars get more powerful I guess.
@@shanehubble he has Childe's E without the goddamn CD.
@@shanehubble you cannot compare them, I do not think Ayato will have no ICD on his E, that's particularly why Childe works SO well as an enabler, he has so many instances of DMG and he's actually able to overtake my XL + Kazuha burst. Definitely one of the more unique characters that will take long to be replaced ngl
@@shanehubble If Ayato has Quadratic scaling then Yes otherwise no
Pretty sure ayato is sub dps but you can main dps just use proper supports :)
I just want to point out that for floor 12 Diluc is using what is arguably his best team comp while Kokomi is using a team comp that maximizes her personal damage but minimizes her utility. Kokomi Taser is absolutely insane but I get that it would be difficult to showcase it without bringing the attention out of Kokomi. I'm sure Kokomi's case is also true for Mona, but I'm actually not sure what Main DPS Mona's best team comp is. I would assume it's a taser comp as well.
edit: coming back to the replies, I now realize this was actually mentioned in the closing statements of the video. Electro-charged Kokomi really is the better team comp for her (where she is the main on-field DPS/driver). Obviously, she's better utilized as a support for Ayaka.
Nah it’s 1M dmg Floor 12 with Kazuha C2/ Klee C2/ Mona C1-2 at least with Bennett… you can literally just wait until crit rate cards are up.
It's also cos the Abyssal blessing right now favors the EC reaction so it would be meaningless to use it without it being skewed. But that's right, EC is her best as DPS Kokomi 😤
@@rovinteyvat4706 true I use EC team for Kokomi too, it's easier than sukokondeeznut but slightly less rewarding experience.
That's true because like iwtl explaining in start video "High Floor Low Ceiling" is hard to Maximize kokomi damage in the end not worth. In iwtl abyss section abyss i rather change Yunjin to Fischl for another damage source.
@@littleboss2006 Sukokomon is definitely great but my XL is reserved for my other team hence I use Koko Krunch Taser instead 😁
Justice for Kokomi! 😭💕
It's crazy seeing many tier list articles puting diluc at s tier somethimes above the likes of ganyu, ayaka, hu tao and vengeance girl
well, he's early AR friendly since you can easily get him to LV40 in just Mondstadt
@@dojiz7242 hes not noob friendly lol the dude needs tons of investment.
@@daegham6006 uhh no he carried my nab ass through the entire early and mid even now at ar 56 I use him sometimes in abyss(he was my first 36 star)… he is fun, consistent and gets most things done.
@@kaze8930 been clearing abyss with Diluc 36 star for 11 times in a row. Not gonna lie though my Diluc is abnormally stronger than most f2p Hutao but thats because my crimson witch is godly. My stats are 89crit rate 198 crit dmg.
But why Kokomi had no access to reaction on abyss 12? Like Kokomi + Xiangling or something? If the two other characters had so much dps came from other character
I agree but it was probably to balance the damage potential. Kokomi still cleared it just fine tho :D
I think he wanted to make sure its main dps kokomi.
If he does that, diluc mains would start crying. Like they do on literally every single dps comparision video he posts.
@@jma42 but klee basic vanished a entire room by herself... (sorry my english is not great)
@@ramensales3967 yeah, the best option would be taser electro combo like Fischl, but is not viable due to abyss currently electro bonus... But still, my point is just that Kokomi is awesome as a DPS
One dps show/slow down I would love to see is Amber, Lisa, and Kaeya. I feel like it would a lot of fun! Might have to wait for that C6 though…
Kaeya with mistsplitter and Shenhe, that sounds like a Kaeya win unless, Lisa with c6 Sara is nasty because Lisa has a 1K % damage ability
As an OG mona main dps user, this video is making me smile. In the early day of genshin, I said to my friends that main dps mona is underated and this video just prove it to everyone else.
Just a tips for main dps mona, N2C is your best combo even if you have her at C2 but if you played her as beidou driver than N4 jump cancel is the best.
Greetings from Mona main to Mona main 🤝
@@aaronlaorrabaquio4230 greetings friend
Greetings Guys
Calling Kokomi just a healer is like calling Batman "just a rich guy".
Why not pair kokomi with fischl. Fischl c6 and kokomi fast auto attacks makes them a great pair
To be fair to kokomi in Abyss, she's works better with a Taser team there, Fischl and Beidou/Raiden. Might've taken out Geovishap faster too with Koko/Mona/Fischl/Beidou, maybe
I really wish people would stop shitting on Diluc. So annoying to see such an awesome character get clowned because he doesn't do a billion damage. But then people will complain about powercreep and trivial endgame in the same breath 🤔😒
Diluc sucks bro. It's been a year, make your peace with it already.
i simply don't like the fact that people like to shit on qiqi ruining their pulls while diluc is not any better
@@be_zero5528 on god! I got C5 Diluc before I ever saw a Qiqi and frankly I can barely tell them apart if I'm judging them by usefulness in my comps
When yoi came out yall were tryna tell me diluc was better and now yall cryin about the same treatment LMAO
@@RudeXII explain how a character who clears the same content a few seconds after the best dps characters sucks 🤔? That's the problem, too many people have a metaslave mentality where if a char isn't doing the most damage then they're bad. This mentality is part of the reason why this community is so damn toxic
Please do (another) Ayaka vs Raiden vs Hu Tao dmg comparison! I want to see how Ayaka x Shenhe does vs Raiden hypercarry.
Doctor: Kokomi main DPS isn't real, it can't hurt you
Kokomi main DPS:
I WANT YOU TO TRY OUT 2 teams with ayato for his release.
1.ayato freeze with venti rosa mona ayato
2.ayato yoimiya vape with yunjin and bennet.(ayato can be used as only E with shiminawa set and yoimiya can use 4set cw or 2cw and 2 nobless and both yoimiya and ayato will dps like raiden eula).the team has good aoe and good single target dmg if it works .yoimiya ult have low icd)
As a Kokomi simp from day one when everyone was still hating on her, it's incredibly satisfying to watch her dumpster through these fights and outcompete these other two. You love to see it!
Kokomi doesn't deal that that much damage just her faster attacks with xingqiu's burst deals that much damage... And for mona's case her damages come from charge & burst so this isn't fair at all...
Why no double Geo on Diluc team? does Yanfei has a passive talent that Benfits him?
What's awesome is diluc is lorewise meant to be "the dawn that purifies the dark", so he is super strong against enemies affected by cryo, but that's the same with every pyro character...
Any ideas on how you guys would buff diluc? His multipliers are really high already, and his playstyle is polarizing, some like it, some hate it, so instead of those 2 things, how would you buff him?
C6 Benette and patiently farming the Crimson Witch of Pain domain. I'll get the perfect artifacts for him someday.
Sure, I'll give my two cents.
Change his first ascension passive, first and foremost. He rarely, if ever, uses charge attacks (I can only name two claymore characters who would ever use them - Noelle and Itto), so it need to be oriented for another part of his kit. It shouldn't be overwhelmingly strong, but it need to give him a little more oomph.
My ideas for his A1:
- Perhaps using his Elemental Skill temporarily increases Normal Attack speed with each cast, stacking up to a point? Let's say increasing attack speed by 7%/14%/21%. This could mess with his constellations, but that assumes his constellations remain unchanged.
- Maybe enemies hit by his Elemental Skill can have temporary stacking decreases in Pyro resistance; say, 4%/8%/12%.
Moving on, bump up his normal attack scaling by 10-15%, and his Elemental Skill scaling by 15-20%. And for crying out loud, make his burst animation faster!
This would be a fundamental change to his burst that would also inherently change the design, but perhaps the phoenix launched by his burst can 'detonate' on the first enemy hit, so he doesn't have the issue of dragging enemies away from his effective range (similar to Keqing's problem of knocking enemies away with her charged attack while simultaneously stepping backwards). Its damage would have to increase to make up for the lack of hits that occur while the burst is 'dragging' enemies, but he needed some more damage anyway.
- Because it no longer deals that DoT (damage-over-time, which is 108% at talent level 10), his burst damage (again, at talent level 10) should change from 367.2% to something like 450-500%.
His constellations (although this is a finicky one, because people pay for this stuff) also need work, I think. (C3 and C5 are like any character's C3 and C5 and should remain unchanged.)
- C1 is fine. 15% damage versus >50% HP opponents isn't a huge increase, but it's not a super high constellation, and there are worse ones.
- C2 needs a rework. For any who aren't acquainted, it's "When Diluc takes DMG, his ATK increases by 10% and his ATK SPD increases by 5%. Lasts for 10s.
This effect can stack up to 3 times and can only occur once every 1.5s". It works through shields, but this playstyle encourages Diluc to get hit many times, and unless you're Hu Tao or Kuki Shinobu, that just seems kind of... counterintuitive.
My own idea is the following- "Any ally (including Diluc) inflicting a Vaporize, Melt, Overload, or Pyro-infused Swirl reaction raises Diluc's Crit Damage by 8% and his ATK by 10%, stacking up to 24% and 30%, respectively. This effect lasts for 8s, and is refreshed for each reaction."
- C4 is great. If his Normal Attacks are altered by any potential changes, however, this may need to see change in tandem with his C6.
- C6 is also fine; again, it might need to be fixed to properly accommodate changes to his Normal Attack speed, which this directly correlates with.
@@_gavimations these are very similar to my ideas, thanks. Although this is more like 2 dollars, not 2 cents
@@zeyyadfarooq6235 Aye, fair enough; I have a habit of rambling lol
How ridiculous that once a everyone's dream premium flex character in diluc is now being featured in video called worst dps showdown.
22:05 "no boys are allowed" Femboi Venti slipping under the radar as usual
I'm surprised you didn't show forward vape charged attack Mona, tho I have don't actually have a clue if it's fast or not but I find it really fun, doing 100k+ charged attacks
100k+ Charged attacks?!?!? I can only reach 50k, with vape.
May I ask what's your setup? (Team, artifact set, weapon)
@@ashen4195 normally run with bennet xiangling kazuha
I wanna see Ayaka vs Raiden vs Eula DPS showdown :D
Diluc’s nice. I got him with an R3 WGS. But man. Even if I didn’t have Hutao, I’d choose Xiangling more this time around in the end game.
Diluc’s BiS artifact is the Crimson Witch. Which you need 4pcs and lets be honest. Its one of the shittest tier domain. You’d get 3K Lavawalkers before getting one decent CW. This alone already makes building him troublesome. Add also the lack of decent claymores to work with, as there’s only a few choices.
Xiangling can work with The Catch, a literally grindable considerably OP polearm, some decent EoSF 4pc set, and she can already perform really well. AND you’re not wasting much of your resin, bc both artifacts are useful universally.
And this is with both having the best support too. Bennett, Xinqiu, Kazuha/Sucrose.
I also doubt they’d revisit Diluc for a rework. Nonetheless, he’s a husbando collection must for most.
No knew player should think about building Diluc unless you just want to play him because he is Batman
@@imo098765 for sure. The Crimson Domain alone should be enough to steer you away from building him unless you already have two decent teams. Lol
I played Taser Kokomi (C0, TTODS, TotM) with Yae (C2 R1), Fischl and Sucrose (both C6). I was quite surprised for the amount of sustained damage, while comfortably clearing everything in F12 at 100% HP.
I think this Abyss is overall easy, and more rewarding for sustained than nuke damage, still I never thought I’d be able to clear it so easily without using my Ayaka + Ganyu freeze teamcomp.
i will give some advice to you about Kokomi in taser team, if kokomi still have field time (usually for end rotation with kokomi burst and doing damage) better with Artifact OHC set that ToTM set for better output damage team.
And one thing, if sucrose in your team better out TTDS on sucrose and Kokomi using Hakushin Ring.
@@maheza56 yeah ikr.. but she got a 45K HP build, so during her burst she deals respectable damage while as a pure driver can buff the whole team.
And, most importantly, grinding a new domain for a full set without needing to get Husk pieces.. maybe I’m lazy but no more pain, just fun.
@@dariosaviors for me better get husk rather than Clam set with Crit substat. Seriously that domain still hard to get "Great" substat clam set for kokomi(Applied to tenacity set too) because that artifact is Crit magnet good for of piece bad for kokomi lmao.
At this point mihoyo probably should make begginer banner for diluc just like Noelle
Edit: I post a comment just as joke and seems like it turned into Ukraine kind of situation 😅
Or just give us the original 5* already, i mean besides mona everyone is kinda useless lol
@@luke-il5nr lmao it's so funny to hear this from someone with xiao on the avatar, who is completely useless compared to the meta characters
@@luke-il5nr jean is still a good character if you have xiao or plays sunfire comps. But other than that quite niche lol
@@luke-il5nr Jean is actually underrated, her Atk Speed buff is slept on by many.
@@luke-il5nr xiao main saying that the others are useless kinda ironic isn't it . Outdps by *qiqi clam*
i find it funny how it is possible to powercreep characters with mere burst animation duration shortening
most of the new characters don't force you to sit through *"Dawn of the rise of the planet of the elemental burst"* in recent times
So many things wrong with Mona run. Can be greatly improved
Nahh fr my mona is build as a support and does more damage than his "dps" mona 💀💀💀
omg i’m early. great video bestie can you show us a picture of your cat. also kokomi world domination
I hope there will be supports that actually buff hp. I mean, we already have def buff supports. 🥺 Or dendro resonance could be that. I'll get my own C6 Kokomi someday. 😭
Bro wait for Fontaine. No rush
Being waiting for one new Dps Showdown/ Slowdown, Thank you.
Barbara literally got YEETed out of this competition
She was too powerful, it wouldn't be fair
if it isnt obvious all 3 are 5 stars
Now do a DPS showdown with Kokomi vs DPS Barbara that every Kokomi hater(those who kept on rambling about her -100% crit rate and making it a really big deal). lmao
Honestly kokomi has always been a good character, everyone that called her bad didn't know anything about the game
Barbara full crit= little healing
Barbara healer build= little damage
But if you build healer kokomi you still has decent damage (9-11k autos when ult) + 30k damage from 4pc Clam+ 36-40k hp+ 6k-8k heal per tick
@@Milimilimiw thanks to ocean hurd clam you can still build a pretty good hybrid barbara honestly. It's not gonna be Kokomi levels of course but if you really need a healer doing damage it works pretty well (or if you just don't wanna wish for Kokomi)
DPS Barbara can actually hit way harder than Kopiumi with charge attacks. You might get clowned on lmao
@@danielcarrilho5217 I don't care if Barbara wins. The point is Kokomi isn't that bad like what people think. Plus Kokomi can still heal when doing DPS unlike Barabara that she need as separate build to do DPS and heal like the one comment here
I've read the disclaimer so I'm not here to complain or anything.
But I just want to point out that Diluc and Mona don't have their own weapon unlike Kokomi, and Diluc's kit and artifact set are made for pyro reactions, so it's (obviously) not a fair comparison.
Your forgetting kokomi is a whole healer too.💀 kokomi is sadly pribably a better dps than diluc at this point
@@zain0_032 she’s a hybrid, and she has the clam set. Seeing her as just a healer is just being blind
@@zain0_032 Take a look at her kit, her weapon, her set and her constellations.
Mihoyo obviously made her as a hybrid with both heal and dps.
@@rayon8958 I think all of this just says “Kokomi is what you want her to be”
diluc and mona- a lower dmg potential mona- do abt the same in spiral tho. sure we can take kokomi out of this but in the end he does put them in full teams where diluc takes advantage of elemental reactions and still does worse than mona with a sub-optimal weapon and not being played correctly. this is to say if youd watch the video its a fair comparison esp considering this is someone using all of what we have in game currently to compare them.
What I think is the situation here is that Hoyoverse expected every player to *eventually* have a C6 Rsomething Diluc even if their luck is horrible and they lose practically every 50/50 on a limited banner dps character, they really should stop bumping up health pools to the point where even a C6 Diluc feels like you're slapping a brick wall with a wet rag.
The fact that Kokomi, who is specifically designed to have an extremely low ceiling on her damage at worst just keeps up with him but beats him more often than not is in my eyes, a design oversight that they should at least try mitigating.
Yes they need to buff diluc , he doesn't have any buffs and his atk speed was purposefully nerfed
Everytime I see these I just feel sorry for diluc mains who heavily invested into him
ngl when he said "now we have the most exciting part of the video" i thought that was gonna be a segue into RAID SHADOW LEGENDS
as a Kokomi main this made me feel so proud of ma' girl
Oh no bow I think I must pull for ayaka-
The abyss run was just tempting me so much
I got Kokomi recently so it's even more tempting.....
Get Ayaya you won't regret it
I love mona and I’m happy to use her in freeze teams but yeah she feels pretty clunky. I wish she was smoother or her skill did a little more or smth but that’s ok lol
try her with a weapon that doesn't require a PhD to proc her skills, like Dodoco tales, Solar Pearl, Song and Wine etc. All 4* weapons, but they offer unconditional buff.
Thank God for the omen burst because that's the only thing that mona has been useful for since the game came out
I've accidentally been using Kokomi as a DPS for so long now I forgot other people really don't consider her viable in that field; all because she can't crit... (when I say accidentally I mean I built her with her clam set and TTDS r5, and just threw on healing artifacts and whatever didn't have crit substats)
Idk I think for the effort put in to building Kokomi it is worth it in the end. She's definitely a pain in the butt to build (I'm mad that they only nerfed the spectors after I ascended her all the way) but once you have her around the 70-80 mark she starts getting RIDICULOUS.
I personally run her with Xingqiu to get the Hydro resonance; but once they update that and change it to an increase in Max HP rather than Healing we'll probably see even greater damage come from Kokomi due to how her talents scale. Which I'm excited for.
Before I had farmed for better artifacts there was a short time where my Kokomi was a better DPS unit than my Xiao ☠ I believe that's changed now but Koko's raw damage is nothing to sneeze at.
Edit: also didn't know about Super Masanori! Gonna test him out myself now!
i love seeing people who have constellations for kokomi.
Accounting for the RNG component as well human variance in the quality of each run it seems like it would be worth doing 2-3 runs for each and then using the average times as your reference instead of sticking with your first run for each. Considering each run is only around ~30 seconds it wouldn’t take that much extra time for you and be well worth it for more reliable data imo
Kokomi is the best hydro applicator and, in my opinion, the best in freeze team since, instead of Diona, you can pick another damage dealer character like Rosaria or Shenhe since Kokomi is the greatest hydro applicator and can also heal.
Found the seka viewer
@@p4ntm509 I dont understand what youre saying lol
@@p4ntm509 even zajef has the same thoughts. i recommend you watchin zajefs vid in yt. the view might be less than 50k but the quality is ⬆️⬆️⬆️
Thank you! I really want to know this right now.
You HAVE to add Barbara for the next dps showdown.
not a 5 star. notice how mona kokomi and diluc is a 5 star?
Guys i'm a bit late. Is THE DAWN still running in cinemas?
Can I ask why diluc is with yanfei instead of water boy? Is it a dps increase?
I wonder if Hoyo would add a sort of "watersoother" set for charas to do extra 35% dmg to enemies affected by Hydro XD
It would be interesting to see what that would do for a DPS Kokomi but it's nice seeing the Clam set in full use on her.
Now...if I could only get her before the banner is over @_@
Please can you do a dps slowdown between the 3 element of the traveler