I’m loving your videos! Most other instructional videos the guy just talks and talks. You actually get right into it and show us the correct way to shoot the shot. I almost never shoot with inside English because I’ll miss it 90% of the time, so angled corner shots I always shoot with outside spin. Well after seeing this, I’m going to try my best with inside. Thanks for another great video! 🙏
Thanks again Veronica. Inside spin is an absolute must. Without it, you’re game is very limited. You’ll be shocked at how much better you positional play will be as you’ll be looking to flow into the shot-line more often. Btw, I never used any side spin when I started playing the game 39 months ago. Today, I use it pretty much on every shot to some degree. I’ve grown very accustomed to it. It allows me to shoot with finesse power.
Thanks Mitch, it’s all about training our brain. I have found when the disconnect happens, it’s because we shoot too soon without totally calculating our speed and spin before pulling the trigger.
@@Mitch1963 I see it when playing an opponent. When they have a bit of a tough shot, you can sense their anxiety. From there, they will rush the shot and miss. I totally understand this as I was guilty of it myself. Even today, if I lapse in my concentration, I will do it 🤷🏻♂️
Great drill and explanation. I put 4 balls on the table just off the second long rail diamonds. With two cue balls I shot towards one end of the table with outside and then to the other end with inside. Going into my book of drills.
@@dpbuc32 Thank you dp. Btw, hear your words my friend. This is exactly what you MUST work to perfect. Once I mastered pocketing shots with inside spin, my position play soared. If you spend two months on it, you’ll look back and say why didn’t I do this long ago. Thanks again and get after it 👍🏻💪🏻🎱
Very good video here. Another issue guys have with using english is that they think they are hitting the cue ball in the same place all of the time. For example: low right. They then don't understand why they are getting different results, much different some times, on different shots. And that is because they are NOT actually hitting the cue ball CONSISTENTLY where they intended to. This was a big issue for me and why I was very inconsistent when using spin. Just small differences can make a big difference in the outcome of a shot and the position you are left in. Also, the comment in the video about dirty balls is so true! It can make a big time difference, when using spin, if the balls are dirty or clean. If you are used to playing with really nice clean balls, and then you end up playing at another place with dirty balls - the outcome can be a lot different when hitting the same shots. The bottom line when using english - you have to hit a lot of shots, a lot of different shots, using spin, until it becomes automatic and you really don't have to think much about it. No shortcuts.
Spot on James, I have thousands of hours on my table so it makes me look like a B player. The other day when I played against the big dogs at their hang out with what looked like sandblasted balls, I quickly had to adjust by hitting center cue ball or just off center when english was required. This is why players need to shoot on different tables with different balls, there’s such a huge difference 🤷🏻♂️
@@ronthepoolstudent So true! I am used to playing on one particular table where I practice a lot. Last week, I was playing a tournament in Manila on a table I had not played on for two years. I lost two out of three matches and got beat by guys I am better than. I had a really hard time going from the table and balls I regularly practice on to the different table and balls and it cost me. I wasn't off by much, just enough to cost me two matches. Yep, you have to play all sorts of tables and setups. Makes a big difference. Also, if you go from one table setup in one place to another - give yourself at least 15 to 20 minutes of playing on the new setup and getting a feel for it. I went in cold turkey, which wasn't smart.
@@jamesdavis8731 oh man, I totally get it James. When I played with one of our strongest local guys on his 7’ Diamond table at his bar on Sunday, his highest ever 9 ball run was a 14 pack btw, I shot below my potential as I kept using too much english thus I missed six easy shots which all cost me those games. I eventually adjusted but too late. The balls were terrible compared to mine. I’m going back again this week so I’m hoping I can take ten minutes to test three shots that I think will help me to better understand what I can get away with 🤞🏻🤞🏻
Ron, it's funny that you just posted this because i was just telling someone tonight at League that the spin induced throw was so much different. First thing I do when I get to league is hit a few straight ins and cuts close to the rail with spin. For me, deflection is easier to adjust to, more automatic
Dirty balls after shooting with clean at home is a tough one to adjust to. The house tables I play on are terrible for that reason. I’ve found you need to rein it in somewhat and hit center CB and stay within a nickel diameter with tip placement.
Hi Ron. I was surprised that this video didn't start off with mentioning the original 'throw', that is, the original deflection we get when hitting a CB on the side, before the spin even comes into the equation. That's where I get confused. Any tips to counteract the deflection? Thank you. BTW I love Earl's advice "If you're shooting down a left side rail with right english just aim straight at the center of the ball and let the deflection do the work!" Vice versa on the other side of course.
@@cueball5858 My best advice CB, is to actually shoot shots from paper reinforcements so the shooter can experience first hand squirt, swerve and object ball throw. (this is what I’ve done) Speed of the shot and understanding one’s cue plays a huge factor. I use a super low deflection Z3 shaft (11.8mm) where others may shoot with something else. What works for one will be different for others in many cases. Alignment with the shot-line is then set to what ever speed/spin you plan to impart on the cue ball per the shot you plan to execute. In time, the player begins to instinctually feel the ghost ball to the point they no longer need to shoot with thought once down. It’s really all about experimentation and processing your successful and failed shots so adjustments can be made. Lastly; the more table time one puts in, the quicker one gets there 👍🏻
I like this drill but to add a little twist to it, shoot the shot in and get the cue ball to land at the center of the table each time and then the drill is like playing pong on the pool table where you are alternating left side and right side.
Good call Richard, this is exactly what I hoped to hear. Making players think to then add their own twist is all part of the process. Good call once again 👍🏻
Ron, if you use the cues natural pivot point when cutting balls, no matter what spin u put on the ball is negated, there is no need for spin compensation.! Earl's a perfect example of this technique, especially on shots like your showing. please see Dr Dave ant Tor Lowry on pivot points ok??
Yes, I’ve worked on what you’ve pointed out after watching their tutorials, it just didn’t work for me. Today, I’ve become proficient with the way I line up and stroke through the cue ball. I don’t need to think of anything these days except for making a smooth stroke. Thanks for the heads up Chemmii 👍🏻
Hi Ron, Do you have a systematic approach to adjusting your aim? Did you ever experiment with back hand and front hand pivots to adjust you aim when applying side spin? Or could you comment on parallel shift (use it or not)? Regards, Bertin
Thanks Bertin for your question and yes, I have experimented with BH & FH pivot. I never was a fan however. My method is to simply match up my cue and stroke with what I know will deliver the cue ball to the target with the required english. I use a super low deflection Z3 maple shaft so for me, this works best. It’s like I need to match up my cue’s capability with my stroke. I see it as a feel thing. When I’ve pivoted in the past, this seems too mechanical for my liking. This being said, I’m sure the pivot thing works for many players, but for me, I line up, feel the orientation needed on my cue, then shoot by instinct. Hope that makes sense. Thanks again 👍🏻
So i normally stand back, "see" the shot line to make the shot, step with my left foot in, double check cue to be centered and at desired height. But with english my cue isn't in line (been using parallel shift over) with my over correct ie short for outside/long for inside. So i just shoot what seems blindly at the end. Hoping my adjustments were correct and i dropped down correct. Can't double check because idk where to aim the off center stick. Am i missing something?
The best way to figure this out Brett; shoot from a paper reinforcement to duplicate the cue ball’s start point. Next, shoot over another paper reinforcement marked at various distances. (12”, 24”, 36”, 48” and 72”) Make sure you roll over each paper reinforcement while experimenting with various side spins. Watch closely so the cue ball travels directly over each paper reinforcement location. This method will not only give you the necessary feedback so you can make adjustments, it will also help to learn your cue’s deflection rate. Also, experiment by shooting at medium and fast speeds. This works very well so give it a try. Once you’ve learned how to compensate, now add a ball then try pocketing it. Next, shoot the spot to spot and 9, 10 drills. There you have it, give me a shout if you have more questions and good luck 🍀👍🏻🍀
Is the prerequisite to this video the understanding of your cue deflection? I've been always confused about this topic. Should I make sure I can make the cue ball go in the right direction with spin first? Then worry about spin induced throw? My concern is if I shoot a shot and miss, I won't know if I didn't compensated for deflection or didn't compensate for SIT/CIT correctly. Can you please advise?
Thanks for your question Viet. By using an aiming point such as the golf Tee on the rail in this video, you can learn both cue ball squirt/cue shaft deflection. While focusing your aim at an aiming point, (crating a duplicate shot) you’ll then receive feedback. Once you’ve experienced the outcome, you can then adjust for squirt/the amount of cue deflection. To be more specific, yes, you will need to deliver the cue ball to its intended target. Thanks again and please take a look at my cue shaft comparison video linked below. This is a great way to test your cue’s deflection: My carbon fiber shaft vs low deflection maple shaft th-cam.com/video/RQk__o4ac1U/w-d-xo.html
@@vietnguyen2354 thank you again Viet, I really appreciate the feedback. Always feel free to reach out with any questions you may have, I’m here to help as your online coach. 👍🏻😊👍🏻
Just revised it and no, I did hit inside spin on that shot you’re referring to Matt. When the cue ball english is on the inside (right side spin in this case) of the shot line to the cut angle, this is inside spin. Thanks for the question 👍🏻
@@mattwernekerealestate7637 yes, Matt, you have them confused as they are opposite of your thinking. Once again, outside of the shot line is outside spin inside of the shot line is inside spin.
@@ronthepoolstudent I'll let you know about my next practice sesson goes this was really confusing me I feel better already and is making sence. Thanks.
With clean balls and anything other than a really slow shot with tons of spin, I don’t find that there’s much spin-induced throw. However, cue deflection and squirt are major factors, and I use back hand English (aim and pivot) to compensate.
The dirty ball thing is a big factor. I play at halls and at some local bars, the balls are so sticky, I will shoot three different shots to test the outcome. I find it most critical when applying inside spin. You almost can’t over cut the shot enough in that instance. Thanks Brad 👍🏻
Slow speed does increase spin induced throw, but what is slow to different people? A few years ago, I and a few friends, did a few hours of non scientific test on spin induced throw. There was no doubt there was at least some throw on every shot except those that were hit fairly hard. Even a little of unwanted throw can mess the shot up. This is why you have to just hit a lot of balls, from all sorts of angles, distances, and speeds to get a real feel for spin induced throw. You are totally correct, cue deflection and squirt are major factors. It is amazing how many things go into this great game that the casual observer doesn't know about. Another reason billiards is such a fascinating game.
@@jamesdavis8731 yes, and learning all the physics to the point we no longer have to think about it is when we reach that upper level. This requires 10,000 hours they say so I’m just over half way there 👍🏻
Set up a straight in shot 5' from the pocket, and it is very noticeable. My pockets are 4 1/4", though, which makes it easy to knick the long rail point of the pocket.
Nice video Ron. The only thing I'd say is that the aiming line doesn't always look like an undercut with outside and overcut with inside. I think with the way you were hitting the ball in this video, the speed and method of spinning the ball (parallel shift vs pivot or something in-between) show you the aiming line in one way, when for other players, the aiming line looks different and will change depending on those factors. Remember, regardless of equipment there's more deflection when stroking the ball firm, and less time for the spin to correct the deflection by way of swerve. I'm often aiming to OVERCUT with outside when I'm stroking firm but at a close distance to the object ball because of this. Maybe a follow up video on the nuances of this would be good.
Sorry Nate, I was shooting all day and just got home. The main takeaway I want my viewers to grasp from this is that they can set up a fixed aim point as well as cue ball/object ball fixed locations to then experiment with both inside and outside spin to help understand the effects of throw. I did this early on in my Pool career and it taught me a lot at light speed. I believe players get confused so this systematic method works wonders as it’s a direct apples to apples comparison. You gotta realize, I’m an engineer by trade and think analytically in what ever the challenge. This has served me well these last 794 days as well as through my working life. One of my tasks at General Motors was to travel around the Midwest to other metal fab plants to share methods and scope out then bring back valuable processes. I’ve worked with some super brainiacs and they are weird like me I have found 🤷🏻♂️
@@ronthepoolstudent I’m not saying the method isn’t good. By and large it’s the perfect way to measure how you’re hitting the ball with spin. So great job there. I’m only saying what you seen when you’re down on the ball and what ends up happening after contact is highly dependent on the player, their form, and the equipment they’re on. It’s part of what makes this game so great. It’s not one size fits all. Reiterating that while making your points could save a fellow player from assuming things about their game that may or may not apply to the subject. Just covering bases my guy. :)
@@ronthepoolstudent I mean, it’s mostly that there are no hard a fast rules when it comes to this. Every shot is different and every stroke is different and everyone applies spin differently. Just do this same drill from different distances and speeds and it’ll be obvious.
Yes and no Matt. Although english is necessary at times to manipulate the cue ball’s path once it contacts the cushion, I will also use it to throw in balls on occasion.
I asked ChatGPT and it said the following. First my question and then it’s responses Question: Good morning. I’m an intermediate pool player (APA level 6 in 8 ball & 9 ball, NAPA level in upper 70’s). I’d like to be able to remember how to adjust my aim when using side spin. I’ve heard of Spin Induced Throw but I’m not sure if I need to overcut or undercut my aim when using inside spin. Also how outside spin requires my aim to adjust. Do you have any tips on which adjustments to use with side spin and how to remember it
Response part 1: Good morning! It's great to hear that you're looking to improve your pool game. Spin Induced Throw (SIT) refers to the phenomenon where the cue ball's spin affects the object ball's path after contact, causing it to deviate from its expected trajectory. To account for SIT and aim correctly, you'll need to consider how inside and outside spin affect your shots.
Response part 2: 1. Inside spin: Inside spin is when the cue ball's spin is in the same direction as the cut angle. For example, when cutting an object ball to the right, right spin (also known as "running english") would be inside spin. To compensate for the SIT effect, you need to slightly overcut the shot, aiming the cue ball more toward the edge of the object ball opposite the pocket. Remember, "Inside spin - Overcut."
2. Outside spin: Outside spin is when the cue ball's spin is opposite the cut angle. For example, when cutting an object ball to the right, left spin (also known as "reverse english") would be outside spin. With outside spin, you need to slightly undercut the shot, aiming the cue ball more toward the center of the object ball. Remember, "Outside spin - Undercut."
Response part 3: A mnemonic to help you remember these adjustments is "IOU" - Inside spin: Overcut, Outside spin: Undercut. Keep in mind that the amount of adjustment needed depends on factors such as the amount of spin applied, the cue ball's speed, and the cut angle. The key to mastering these adjustments is practice. As you experiment with different amounts of spin and aiming adjustments, you'll develop a better feel for how spin affects the object ball's path and be able to make more precise shots. Good luck, and happy practicing!
Slow motion cameras prove that no spin is transferred to an object ball. Aiming taking into account the amount of deflection of the cue ball is necessary to calculate.
I have videos showing just that in my library Venice. This said, it doesn’t do much good to show this, as every good player knows it’s about speed and spin. Even with the exact same tip placement, this will create a different cue ball path when speed and stroke action changes. A player must shoot the shot themselves to grasp the physics.
This happened to me last night with dirty fucking balls lol my confidence went from 10 to 5 because of this an I started over-thinking everything again 🤦
I’m playing weekly at a place where the balls look sandblasted William. I think the best advice is to limit tip placement to within a nickel diameter of center then use degrees of stun to help change the tangent angle. I’ll learn more as the weeks go on.
@@ronthepoolstudent I also know completely clean balls play entirely different as well so for me it's got to be in between for me to play my best game because that's what I'm used to but I will try that too
@@williamsheppard8738 yes, mine are cleaned every two weeks so it’s actually hurting my away game. I want to bring my ball cleaner to this new place I’m now going to but don’t want to appear as a control freak lol.
I’m loving your videos! Most other instructional videos the guy just talks and talks. You actually get right into it and show us the correct way to shoot the shot. I almost never shoot with inside English because I’ll miss it 90% of the time, so angled corner shots I always shoot with outside spin. Well after seeing this, I’m going to try my best with inside. Thanks for another great video! 🙏
Thanks again Veronica.
Inside spin is an absolute must. Without it, you’re game is very limited. You’ll be shocked at how much better you positional play will be as you’ll be looking to flow into the shot-line more often.
Btw, I never used any side spin when I started playing the game 39 months ago. Today, I use it pretty much on every shot to some degree. I’ve grown very accustomed to it. It allows me to shoot with finesse power.
Great video Ron. Its interesting how a persons mind learns this and it becomes automatic.
Thanks Mitch, it’s all about training our brain. I have found when the disconnect happens, it’s because we shoot too soon without totally calculating our speed and spin before pulling the trigger.
@@ronthepoolstudent So true Ron
@@Mitch1963 I see it when playing an opponent. When they have a bit of a tough shot, you can sense their anxiety. From there, they will rush the shot and miss.
I totally understand this as I was guilty of it myself. Even today, if I lapse in my concentration, I will do it 🤷🏻♂️
This drill, I have to master. It is a learning process in motion 😊. Thanks Ron
It’s definitely something we must understand and know David.
Thanks for your comment. 👍🏻
Great drill and explanation. I put 4 balls on the table just off the second long rail diamonds. With two cue balls I shot towards one end of the table with outside and then to the other end with inside. Going into my book of drills.
Those are great shots you’re performing Terry.
Also thanks, I’m glad you found this tutorial to be helpful 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Another great video Ron! I'll admit inside English is my weakness. I only use it if I absolutely must.
@@dpbuc32
Thank you dp.
Btw, hear your words my friend. This is exactly what you MUST work to perfect.
Once I mastered pocketing shots with inside spin, my position play soared.
If you spend two months on it, you’ll look back and say why didn’t I do this long ago.
Thanks again and get after it 👍🏻💪🏻🎱
Very good video here. Another issue guys have with using english is that they think they are hitting the cue ball in the same place all of the time. For example: low right. They then don't understand why they are getting different results, much different some times, on different shots. And that is because they are NOT actually hitting the cue ball CONSISTENTLY where they intended to. This was a big issue for me and why I was very inconsistent when using spin. Just small differences can make a big difference in the outcome of a shot and the position you are left in.
Also, the comment in the video about dirty balls is so true! It can make a big time difference, when using spin, if the balls are dirty or clean. If you are used to playing with really nice clean balls, and then you end up playing at another place with dirty balls - the outcome can be a lot different when hitting the same shots. The bottom line when using english - you have to hit a lot of shots, a lot of different shots, using spin, until it becomes automatic and you really don't have to think much about it. No shortcuts.
Spot on James, I have thousands of hours on my table so it makes me look like a B player.
The other day when I played against the big dogs at their hang out with what looked like sandblasted balls, I quickly had to adjust by hitting center cue ball or just off center when english was required. This is why players need to shoot on different tables with different balls, there’s such a huge difference 🤷🏻♂️
@@ronthepoolstudent So true! I am used to playing on one particular table where I practice a lot.
Last week, I was playing a tournament in Manila on a table I had not played on for two years. I lost two out of three matches and got beat by guys I am better than.
I had a really hard time going from the table and balls I regularly practice on to the different table and balls and it cost me. I wasn't off by much, just enough to cost me two matches.
Yep, you have to play all sorts of tables and setups. Makes a big difference.
Also, if you go from one table setup in one place to another - give yourself at least 15 to 20 minutes of playing on the new setup and getting a feel for it. I went in cold turkey, which wasn't smart.
@@jamesdavis8731 oh man, I totally get it James. When I played with one of our strongest local guys on his 7’ Diamond table at his bar on Sunday, his highest ever 9 ball run was a 14 pack btw, I shot below my potential as I kept using too much english thus I missed six easy shots which all cost me those games. I eventually adjusted but too late.
The balls were terrible compared to mine.
I’m going back again this week so I’m hoping I can take ten minutes to test three shots that I think will help me to better understand what I can get away with 🤞🏻🤞🏻
@@jamesdavis8731 this was a wake up call for sure.
Ron, it's funny that you just posted this because i was just telling someone tonight at League that the spin induced throw was so much different. First thing I do when I get to league is hit a few straight ins and cuts close to the rail with spin. For me, deflection is easier to adjust to, more automatic
Dirty balls after shooting with clean at home is a tough one to adjust to. The house tables I play on are terrible for that reason. I’ve found you need to rein it in somewhat and hit center CB and stay within a nickel diameter with tip placement.
Hi Ron. I was surprised that this video didn't start off with mentioning the original 'throw', that is, the original deflection we get when hitting a CB on the side, before the spin even comes into the equation. That's where I get confused. Any tips to counteract the deflection? Thank you. BTW I love Earl's advice "If you're shooting down a left side rail with right english just aim straight at the center of the ball and let the deflection do the work!" Vice versa on the other side of course.
@@cueball5858
My best advice CB, is to actually shoot shots from paper reinforcements so the shooter can experience first hand squirt, swerve and object ball throw.
(this is what I’ve done)
Speed of the shot and understanding one’s cue plays a huge factor. I use a super low deflection Z3 shaft (11.8mm) where others may shoot with something else. What works for one will be different for others in many cases.
Alignment with the shot-line is then set to what ever speed/spin you plan to impart on the cue ball per the shot you plan to execute.
In time, the player begins to instinctually feel the ghost ball to the point they no longer need to shoot with thought once down.
It’s really all about experimentation and processing your successful and failed shots so adjustments can be made.
Lastly; the more table time one puts in, the quicker one gets there 👍🏻
I like this drill but to add a little twist to it, shoot the shot in and get the cue ball to land at the center of the table each time and then the drill is like playing pong on the pool table where you are alternating left side and right side.
Good call Richard, this is exactly what I hoped to hear. Making players think to then add their own twist is all part of the process.
Good call once again 👍🏻
Great video Ron 👍
Thanks Mahmoud 👍🏻
Ron, if you use the cues natural pivot point when cutting balls, no matter what spin u put on the ball is negated, there is no need for spin compensation.! Earl's a perfect example of this technique, especially on shots like your showing. please see Dr Dave ant Tor Lowry on pivot points ok??
Yes, I’ve worked on what you’ve pointed out after watching their tutorials, it just didn’t work for me.
Today, I’ve become proficient with the way I line up and stroke through the cue ball. I don’t need to think of anything these days except for making a smooth stroke.
Thanks for the heads up Chemmii 👍🏻
Hi Ron,
Do you have a systematic approach to adjusting your aim?
Did you ever experiment with back hand and front hand pivots to adjust you aim when applying side spin? Or could you comment on parallel shift (use it or not)?
Regards,
Bertin
Thanks Bertin for your question and yes, I have experimented with BH & FH pivot. I never was a fan however. My method is to simply match up my cue and stroke with what I know will deliver the cue ball to the target with the required english.
I use a super low deflection Z3 maple shaft so for me, this works best. It’s like I need to match up my cue’s capability with my stroke. I see it as a feel thing. When I’ve pivoted in the past, this seems too mechanical for my liking. This being said, I’m sure the pivot thing works for many players, but for me, I line up, feel the orientation needed on my cue, then shoot by instinct.
Hope that makes sense.
Thanks again 👍🏻
So i normally stand back, "see" the shot line to make the shot, step with my left foot in, double check cue to be centered and at desired height.
But with english my cue isn't in line (been using parallel shift over) with my over correct ie short for outside/long for inside. So i just shoot what seems blindly at the end. Hoping my adjustments were correct and i dropped down correct. Can't double check because idk where to aim the off center stick. Am i missing something?
The best way to figure this out Brett; shoot from a paper reinforcement to duplicate the cue ball’s start point. Next, shoot over another paper reinforcement marked at various distances. (12”, 24”, 36”, 48” and 72”) Make sure you roll over each paper reinforcement while experimenting with various side spins. Watch closely so the cue ball travels directly over each paper reinforcement location.
This method will not only give you the necessary feedback so you can make adjustments, it will also help to learn your cue’s deflection rate.
Also, experiment by shooting at medium and fast speeds.
This works very well so give it a try.
Once you’ve learned how to compensate, now add a ball then try pocketing it.
Next, shoot the spot to spot and 9, 10 drills.
There you have it, give me a shout if you have more questions and good luck 🍀👍🏻🍀
Is the prerequisite to this video the understanding of your cue deflection? I've been always confused about this topic. Should I make sure I can make the cue ball go in the right direction with spin first? Then worry about spin induced throw? My concern is if I shoot a shot and miss, I won't know if I didn't compensated for deflection or didn't compensate for SIT/CIT correctly. Can you please advise?
Thanks for your question Viet.
By using an aiming point such as the golf Tee on the rail in this video, you can learn both cue ball squirt/cue shaft deflection.
While focusing your aim at an aiming point, (crating a duplicate shot) you’ll then receive feedback. Once you’ve experienced the outcome, you can then adjust for squirt/the amount of cue deflection.
To be more specific, yes, you will need to deliver the cue ball to its intended target.
Thanks again and please take a look at my cue shaft comparison video linked below.
This is a great way to test your cue’s deflection:
My carbon fiber shaft vs low deflection maple shaft
th-cam.com/video/RQk__o4ac1U/w-d-xo.html
@@ronthepoolstudent thanks! You make great videos. When ur videos show up on my feed, regardless of the title, I know it'll be some quality content.
@@vietnguyen2354 thank you again Viet, I really appreciate the feedback.
Always feel free to reach out with any questions you may have, I’m here to help as your online coach.
👍🏻😊👍🏻
Did you miss-speak at the 1.17 mark referring to inside spin when you should have said outside? thx.
Just revised it and no, I did hit inside spin on that shot you’re referring to Matt.
When the cue ball english is on the inside (right side spin in this case) of the shot line to the cut angle, this is inside spin.
Thanks for the question 👍🏻
Ok, I must be confused in thinking that by hitting the cue ball on the right-hand side is outside spin & left-hand side inside spin?
@@mattwernekerealestate7637 yes, Matt, you have them confused as they are opposite of your thinking.
Once again, outside of the shot line is outside spin inside of the shot line is inside spin.
@@ronthepoolstudent I'll let you know about my next practice sesson goes this was really confusing me I feel better already and is making sence. Thanks.
@@mattwernekerealestate7637 cool 👍🏻
With clean balls and anything other than a really slow shot with tons of spin, I don’t find that there’s much spin-induced throw. However, cue deflection and squirt are major factors, and I use back hand English (aim and pivot) to compensate.
The dirty ball thing is a big factor. I play at halls and at some local bars, the balls are so sticky, I will shoot three different shots to test the outcome. I find it most critical when applying inside spin. You almost can’t over cut the shot enough in that instance.
Thanks Brad 👍🏻
Slow speed does increase spin induced throw, but what is slow to different people? A few years ago, I and a few friends, did a few hours of non scientific test on spin induced throw. There was no doubt there was at least some throw on every shot except those that were hit fairly hard. Even a little of unwanted throw can mess the shot up.
This is why you have to just hit a lot of balls, from all sorts of angles, distances, and speeds to get a real feel for spin induced throw. You are totally correct, cue deflection and squirt are major factors. It is amazing how many things go into this great game that the casual observer doesn't know about. Another reason billiards is such a fascinating game.
@@jamesdavis8731 yes, and learning all the physics to the point we no longer have to think about it is when we reach that upper level.
This requires 10,000 hours they say so I’m just over half way there 👍🏻
Set up a straight in shot 5' from the pocket, and it is very noticeable. My pockets are 4 1/4", though, which makes it easy to knick the long rail point of the pocket.
@@joshuastover5533 yes it is. Alter the speed and things change as well Joshua.
Players need to experiment to give themselves feedback.
Nice video Ron. The only thing I'd say is that the aiming line doesn't always look like an undercut with outside and overcut with inside. I think with the way you were hitting the ball in this video, the speed and method of spinning the ball (parallel shift vs pivot or something in-between) show you the aiming line in one way, when for other players, the aiming line looks different and will change depending on those factors. Remember, regardless of equipment there's more deflection when stroking the ball firm, and less time for the spin to correct the deflection by way of swerve. I'm often aiming to OVERCUT with outside when I'm stroking firm but at a close distance to the object ball because of this.
Maybe a follow up video on the nuances of this would be good.
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Sorry Nate, I was shooting all day and just got home.
The main takeaway I want my viewers to grasp from this is that they can set up a fixed aim point as well as cue ball/object ball fixed locations to then experiment with both inside and outside spin to help understand the effects of throw.
I did this early on in my Pool career and it taught me a lot at light speed.
I believe players get confused so this systematic method works wonders as it’s a direct apples to apples comparison.
You gotta realize, I’m an engineer by trade and think analytically in what ever the challenge.
This has served me well these last 794 days as well as through my working life.
One of my tasks at General Motors was to travel around the Midwest to other metal fab plants to share methods and scope out then bring back valuable processes.
I’ve worked with some super brainiacs and they are weird like me I have found 🤷🏻♂️
@@ronthepoolstudent I’m not saying the method isn’t good. By and large it’s the perfect way to measure how you’re hitting the ball with spin. So great job there.
I’m only saying what you seen when you’re down on the ball and what ends up happening after contact is highly dependent on the player, their form, and the equipment they’re on. It’s part of what makes this game so great. It’s not one size fits all. Reiterating that while making your points could save a fellow player from assuming things about their game that may or may not apply to the subject. Just covering bases my guy. :)
@@SenseiNatePlaysPoolfollow up vid coming out Sunday Nate, any highlights?
@@ronthepoolstudent I mean, it’s mostly that there are no hard a fast rules when it comes to this. Every shot is different and every stroke is different and everyone applies spin differently. Just do this same drill from different distances and speeds and it’ll be obvious.
So is the only reason for English is cue ball placement?
Yes and no Matt.
Although english is necessary at times to manipulate the cue ball’s path once it contacts the cushion, I will also use it to throw in balls on occasion.
For every action there’s a equal or opposite reaction Newton’s law applies even in this principle
@@devoncole5789 I have an update to this video coming out at 9:00 Sunday morning Devon, stay tuned 👍🏻
So outside aim full inside aim thin?
Yes Rick and remember to experiment with speed as this will effect throw. Slower speed = more throw.
Hope that helps and thanks for your question 👍🏻
2:26 hmm, I always thought it was the opposite, and I need to aim for overcut with inside spin
I asked ChatGPT and it said the following. First my question and then it’s responses
Question: Good morning. I’m an intermediate pool player (APA level 6 in 8 ball & 9 ball, NAPA level in upper 70’s). I’d like to be able to remember how to adjust my aim when using side spin. I’ve heard of Spin Induced Throw but I’m not sure if I need to overcut or undercut my aim when using inside spin. Also how outside spin requires my aim to adjust. Do you have any tips on which adjustments to use with side spin and how to remember it
Response part 1:
Good morning! It's great to hear that you're looking to improve your pool game. Spin Induced Throw (SIT) refers to the phenomenon where the cue ball's spin affects the object ball's path after contact, causing it to deviate from its expected trajectory. To account for SIT and aim correctly, you'll need to consider how inside and outside spin affect your shots.
Response part 2:
1. Inside spin: Inside spin is when the cue ball's spin is in the same direction as the cut angle. For example, when cutting an object ball to the right, right spin (also known as "running english") would be inside spin. To compensate for the SIT effect, you need to slightly overcut the shot, aiming the cue ball more toward the edge of the object ball opposite the pocket. Remember, "Inside spin - Overcut."
2. Outside spin: Outside spin is when the cue ball's spin is opposite the cut angle. For example, when cutting an object ball to the right, left spin (also known as "reverse english") would be outside spin. With outside spin, you need to slightly undercut the shot, aiming the cue ball more toward the center of the object ball. Remember, "Outside spin - Undercut."
Response part 3:
A mnemonic to help you remember these adjustments is "IOU" - Inside spin: Overcut, Outside spin: Undercut.
Keep in mind that the amount of adjustment needed depends on factors such as the amount of spin applied, the cue ball's speed, and the cut angle. The key to mastering these adjustments is practice. As you experiment with different amounts of spin and aiming adjustments, you'll develop a better feel for how spin affects the object ball's path and be able to make more precise shots.
Good luck, and happy practicing!
Slow motion cameras prove that no spin is transferred to an object ball. Aiming taking into account the amount of deflection of the cue ball is necessary to calculate.
I’d be interested to discuss this with a champion bank Pool player Donna, I’d bet they beg to differ.
@@ronthepoolstudent the camera don't lie
I'LL BE NICE IF YOU HAD A CAMERA SHOWING THE POINT OF IMPACT INSTEAD TALKING ABOUT IT.
I have videos showing just that in my library Venice.
This said, it doesn’t do much good to show this, as every good player knows it’s about speed and spin. Even with the exact same tip placement, this will create a different cue ball path when speed and stroke action changes.
A player must shoot the shot themselves to grasp the physics.
This happened to me last night with dirty fucking balls lol my confidence went from 10 to 5 because of this an I started over-thinking everything again 🤦
I’m playing weekly at a place where the balls look sandblasted William. I think the best advice is to limit tip placement to within a nickel diameter of center then use degrees of stun to help change the tangent angle. I’ll learn more as the weeks go on.
@@ronthepoolstudent I also know completely clean balls play entirely different as well so for me it's got to be in between for me to play my best game because that's what I'm used to but I will try that too
@@williamsheppard8738 yes, mine are cleaned every two weeks so it’s actually hurting my away game. I want to bring my ball cleaner to this new place I’m now going to but don’t want to appear as a control freak lol.
Haha why not just wear sleeves
Compression sleeves actually help with shot making for me QE 🤷🏻♂️😉
Uno
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