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- The world of Unordinary is filled with powerful beings, however one of the most powerful being is making me question if he is in the right or wrong, so let’s find out!
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I think the best way to describe John as a whole is with one simple metaphor: “Let sleeping dogs lie”. He told everyone to leave him alone, and all he wanted was to be friends with Sera and do his own and thing. But nope, they FORCED this out of him, and now they’ve dig their own grave
You are right
I think this is all a case of "ignorance is bliss" which is how everyone was before they started to figure out John had powers
Edit:fixed a grammar error
This is like a dumbass in DnD getting mad at the DM when they decide to wake up the *sleeping dragon* or pick a fight with NPCs that were never a threat to them only for the town guard to show up to wreck their shit
@@Bigduck-qn4ut I agree!
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It also doesn't help when his "Rehab" just made him feel more guilty instead of teaching him how to use his powers.
Also adding trauma, one part of why he hid his powers in the first place
It gave him PTSD
Here, have some mental abuse to patch up your mental abuse. I'm sure that'll go over SO WELL, Mr. Strongest adolescent teenager e.e
I mean he can use his powers pretty good 🤷🏽♂️
rgreengeus He can use *Others* ability’s pretty well
I love John’s controversial character. He knows he is a monster that’s why he hides who he is. Uru said that you can take John as either the hero or villain of the story, so it’s basically your choice.
My choice is that John is the misunderstood hero of the story, hopefully William will tell Sera about what happened in John's past, then she'll understand that not everything that John told her was a lie, he did it all for a reason.
It's just that the other characters are making John look like the villain because they don't understand him, nor do they know what he's been through for him to do all that, hopefully once they all truly understand John, the ship between her and Sera would go on with only just a few dents.
I'm sorry, I just noticed that I typed "her" and Sera instead of HIM and Sera.😁😁😁
TERESA MOORE it’s aiit
Thanks
A wise man once said "we create our own demons"
That's exactly what this school did. John was just one of those guys that wanted to be left alone to his own devices.
Saying that John is a villain because he goes too far is flawed. To begin with, all these people who picked on John while he was playing cripple "knew" he had no ability yet they still did what they did. Isn't THAT going to far? Fighting someone who can't fight back is just cowardice but somehow John's the villain because he puts people in the hospital? what about being sent to the infirmary everyday? What about the assholes who mocked him for being weak? If anything, John doesn't go far enough; not with the fighting, but with his efforts of changing the school. If he revealed himself and attacked ONLY those who wronged him instead of continuing as Joker he would accomplish more. As it stands, he's trying to use fear to control the school, but that isn't the way to inspire positive change. Furthermore, his antisocial tendencies and unwillingness to make more friends, in a way, cripples him; John can't change the school because he is unwilling to BE the change he wants to see.
He even went after Remi even when she declines to fight.
Wow your right
Sirfatandblack well idk 2 wrong don’t make a right John is literally beating up anyone in his way... isn’t that what all the high tiers that bullied him did? He’s becoming the very thing he swore to destroy not to say John is completely wrong but he is just handling it very poorly.
There is no way to inspire positive change. There is either change or no change and the presence of Joker is the only way to enforce change. Everyone is fake and will just act nice when the royal who enforces equality is around but will go back to their old ways after they're gone. Since nobody knows who Joker is, people will think twice before torturing each other. All John needs to do now is find anybody who hurts others and send them to the hospital and keep doing that until peace has finally settled. The strong will be too scared to pick on the weak and the weak can finally breathe.
Magali Mizuki Yeah But in a way he had to. If he didn’t make an example of Remi, the hierarchy wouldn’t have changed. It would still be the same mess of a school as it has been
Let's be real, if anyone of us was in John's place, we would've done way worse. John isn't a hero, he's not a villain. What he is, is human. He's responding the best way he can think of, to such a situation.
Just think for a moment, and be honest with yourself. What would you do if you where in his position?
Honestly, I would do worse if I was in John’s shoes. If I had the power to copy other people’s abilities, and even amplify them, I’d probably use to destroy all of those who wronged me and my loved ones. And just like Joker, I would show NO MERCY, because I hold grudges. John and I are almost the same. We’re both misanthropes. We both hate other human beings. The only major difference, is the fact that I trust some people, and is very aware of my choices.
In other words, when I accept someone, I don’t trust them completely. I wait for many days, weeks, or months to see any changes in their behavior. When they begin to show their true color, that’s when I decide my final decision.
Quite the logical response, sir
I would never dream of hurting physically,even with powers. I would prefer to actually hurt them mentally to see how i felt rather then putting them in hospital. Plus i might get in trouble,in court or anything,and that would suck.
And I also understand how a person can feel powerful against weak and do dumb shit. I would either hurt them mentally or ignore them. I would never beat the shit out many people in the school and become the one thing i never wanted to be
A bullying asshole
Neko Girl, I believe those type of people are called “bullies”. Also, I wouldn’t do that either. I may have hatred for my own kind, but I’m not selfish. I’d only use that power to help others, and protect the people I love.
@@neutralball1099 what i mean by actually mentally hurting them is using my power(let's say a in a way i don't actually hurt them) to show them how i felt,my fears,how it hurt when they hit me,heck even my rage that i keep containing.
If they can get under how i felt then fine,but if they still dicks about that,then i'll ignore them
“No one is safe”
Me: Except Sera
Well,if history repeats itself,she wont be too,I like to believe it would and joker would fall completely into the dark side and join that villain group
@SJJzak I disagree, cause that is just plain out stupid edit: I was talking about John joining the villain group :/
is John Like Sera tho?
if yes .....HEK YEAH!!!
But the newest episode (for non fast-passers) Sera got confronted to a fake Joker. Does that count as safe?
Yep
often times villans are victims of something.
"Monster"
"No"
"Im NOT the Monster"
"THEY are."
One of my fav quotes from ep. 54 when asslo attacks john
IKR?!
@@teresamoore1326 yeah? I mean after the newest fast Pass chapter i dont know which side to pick tbh
I say John, because the world he lives in has put him through enough shit. With a life filled with so much HATRED and VIOLENCE, anybody would've succumbed to grief A LONG TIME AGO, but then again, they weren't JOHN.
Sooo...I'm talking to myself now?
@@teresamoore1326 oh well, i got no notification for the response. Sorry about that.
I mean he was once a low-tier with 1.2 i think at new bostin? He got bullied there and in his second year there he went up to 7.0 and became the KING. He got the ability to take revenge, i think it was okay but he did way more than that. He was king so everyone was watching his steps. He tried to silent the rumors and gossip about him with force, that only made the whole situation worse. All weaker students feared him. Then Claire decided to overthrow him and stab him in the back by using his trust in her. He beat them all maybee it was right mayber not. Afther that john was taken to readjustment courses, that changed him. He pretended to be a cripple now, sure he got beaten up every day. When sera war expelled Asslo overdid it and broke john mentally thats why he decided to take action. Everything until now i can understand and not judge him, even the whole joker thing is okay for me but the fact that he dont reveal himself after taking everyone down makes me question him. The school is in chaos even Sera get hurt by a Pseudo-Joker. But still he dont really care? And in the newest chapter he still tries to justify his actions sure he did not mutch wrong but he completly changed in my eyes. He got a large power up back then and loses his mind over it? I just hope that he will not do sonething stupid in the next chapter
John Doe: "I am trying to explain that I'm a person that wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care as to not trouble myself with enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight *_I wouldn't lose to any one._*
I LOVE THIS JOJO REFERENCE!! IT FITS HIM SO WELL 😂😂😂😂😂
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Fuck I just realized this is a JoJo reference.
Why not both?
A person who became a badass villain due to him being a victim? Sounds pretty right to me
Tge real problem comes bc how much time beying a victim can justify what he is doing now and in my opinion i like that
Exactly
He’s doing the same thing as everyone else in the school
He isn't. The hierarchy in school bullied the weak. John is bullying the strong. Bullying is wrong on both sides but there are degrees to it. It is kind of ironic that John is so strong that he is also bullying the weak. John didn't spare any strong individuals even if they were good people, but he did that because he was trying to break the system of the hierarchy. John didn't reveal his identity so the illusion of the strong being vulnerable could flow throughout the school. John's logic may be flawed, but he didn't do the same thing the leadership did.
@@semi6544 to john the strong are weak compared to him
@@niggalicious6932 -- I did say that.
In my opinion jon did something worse, cause now we are about to see what true anarchy rlly is.
@@zarock61 Anarchy would be an improvement in their society compared to what it is now, Society in so fucked up in their universe that the authorities don't even bother to help low tier people and basically leave them to be abused, Anarchy would be a godsend to a system built on abusing the weak, i honestly don't see how it can be worse.
I don’t blame John because I know I would the same thing as him, but maybe I would do worse if I was broken and beaten for more then 2 years and then saw the person I trust and care about beaten, John is no hero or Villion he’s more like an antihero.
And then sera pretty much turns on him when she finds out he’s joker
Bob fair
Qwert Ngo, No U
@@jamesworkman9973 no, she felt really bad because John lied to her all this time, on the lastest episode even after discussing with John she calls Claire to know the full story and try to understand John.
@@Kaika433 you bought the episode what did Claire say
I think he's the hero, the villain, and the victim that needs saving wrapped up in one confused package.
He’s an anti hero. It’s quite obvious. Anti hero usually has good intent but pursues it in a wrong way. They are usually the outcast of society. We as the audience are persuaded by pathos to empathize with them, thus we overlook some of their very unorthodox actions.
MusicalDropsteR he doesn’t even have good intent, he’s doing this out of spite. Not even for a good reason, he’s pissed at Arlo for not doing an impossible job, that would have been much easier to do if John wasn’t such a terrible impulsive man baby, since he actually sees Sera everyday.
Random Th1ngs, they said “usually has good intent”.
Gacha ReaperXXX If one does not have good intent or is not doing good things while using methods like John’s they are V I L L I A N S.
Random Th1ngs, he may not have good intent, but you can’t really blame him for his wrong doings.
Gacha ReaperXXX You can though. Your past doesn’t define you, and it shouldn’t excuse YOUR present mistakes
John is not a villain nor is he a hero. He knows what he’s capable of, and he also knew what he didn’t want to become, so he kept everything a secret. But they pushed him and tried to force him to act the way they wanted him to. Just because he’s the strongest doesn’t make him obligated to do anything or protect anyone, but they wanted him to use his powers, and so he did. He’s just a quiet kid, that wanted to be left alone, but got pushed past his limit.
John was trying to be a “hero” but he had finally enough and most of the “villains” were good before just like him, he tried to be friends but they decided to do what they did and I am not suprised because he shows that the higher ranks are nobody agains someone stronger... so he used to be a “hero”...
No he wasn't he was doing this out of spite and revenge
And people still complain that he's beating up people is bad. Like were they paying attention?
He was beating people from ch 1. Only difference is that he is now sing powers to do it
Well, that and he is actively seeking fights against people like Remi or Isen, but then again, those 2 were either egotistical dipshits, or too high up their own throne to see the struggle of the plebs, while demanding to be respected despite doing jack-shit.
The answer was so fucking simple but asslo ignored it for hierarchy, if they left him alone and helped out the low tiers none of this wouldn't have happened
@@Eeveeening fuck, he didn't even need to helpnlow tiers. Just assign people like Remi, Elaine and the guy that alwsyd follows him to always hang out with Sera, even if against her will.
There. Sera doesn't get discovered because of being a careless dumbass and John doesn't go nuclear on the hierarchy.
@@denkerbosu3551 asslo being a dumbass lmfaooooooo
Is john the villain or victim???
Me: Yes.
Me: no
I still feel like he's showing some degree of self-control. He's calm and collected even as Joker most of the time, and even though he's likely far above his 7.0 from his previous school, he isn't beating them up nearly as bad as before, just enough to make a point. I do think he'll eventually reveal his identity, and I do think the end-game here is to get rid of all powers, have the ending mirror the book his dad write, with everyone becoming normal. The biggest problem right now is that he's slowly loosing sight of why he started. He even got mad and yelled at Sera. But even then, he still controlled himself to a degree, as he didn't absolutely destroy her like he did to his friends from the old school, even after she slapped him. Plus, he broke down crying after she left, so to some degree it looks like he regrets his actions.
I feel as if he could be both. I thought that the real villain was John, but then I put Sera into perspective. He’s doing this for her. Some people might disagree and say he was doing it for revenge, but he literally almost killed some group of people for her. He’s doing it for her safety. Even though it’s wrong, he’s trying hard. He didn’t want to cause himself or her anymore trouble and became the joker. I also feel like he can be the victim, not the hero or the villain. He was bullied, and didn’t do much about it since he knew about his power. He kinda just stood there towards the beginning. Once people started to hurt him and his loved ones, he stepped up. Though, I feel as if the fight with Remi was unneeded. She wanted to help the low-tiers and become like Rei. I feel like they could’ve worked together if they got off on a good start. Plus, she’s the queen and would’ve made a difference if he couldn’t. If they would stop assuming things about each other, it would’ve worked. If John stopped thinking she was selfish like the others who didn’t care about low-tiers and Remi would stop thinking he was harming others for the fun of it, it would’ve worked out. Joker is the perfect name for John because he can be helpful but also useless at times. Just like he can be both a hero and a villain. Some people might also tell me “he didn’t care about the cripples” and I totally disagree, because he did them a favor by taking down the Hierarchy. He also helped them out when the high-tiers were “hurt” by them. You can do it both ways honestly. He can also be the villain by what he did by almost killing them and especially anonymously. I however don’t think he’s an anti-hero. The anti-hero is someone who is a protagonist but is lacking traditional heroic qualities. They will still have good intentions at heart for the most part but are afflicted by hamartia, a flaw in their character which dramatically complicates matters. I feel like he’s more of the hero, since Arlo was the one who got him into this, but I don’t because calling him a hero won’t exactly be “good.” Being a hero is helping out people, which he’s doing, but also seeking for revenge. They also picked on him first. He brushed it off, but as I said, when they really hurt him and the people he loved, he acted just like any person would do (or at least what I would do) I’m sticking with the opinion that he’s both. That’s just my opinion. And your all welcome for the essay.
if I am a teacher I would have to give this essay an A+
Remi doesn’t even realise what’s happens to John though
James Workman :/, she did mention that John’s so vengeful, because of all the pain he had to endure for the past 2 years.
N O L loooooooong
I'd say hes a victim of his past life
Also In the episode With Remi is trying to talk to John, theres a lot of mention of her brother Rei or rather known as his hero name "X-Static", who was killed earlier
He managed to keep the school somewhat calm and saw potential In everyone, even the ones who were weak mid-tiers
He saw potential in Arlo and that's why he was King as a second year after Rei graduated
I'd say Rei is probably the most underrated character sense he did so much but Without being there
But I guess John saw the desperation of Remi to the point of attempting to stop this is pathetic
For those who think that John is the villain, Remember that sometimes to do something good you have to be the bad guy and that's exactly what John did...
A great example of this is Lelouch from Code Geass, to bring peace to the world he had to become the Emperor and be considered as the evil one...And Lelouch's quote fits John perfectly, "To defeat evil, I shall become an even greater evil..."
Yeah I agree
Just like megamind
I wouldn't like John if I knew him personally but I love him as a character because he is so well written. I like that uru-chan made him actually complex like any other humanbeing, and since it is up to us to decide whether or not he is a villain, I'm going to say that he is both since he is portrayed as both. On one hand he was forced into the position as joker (thanks a lot Arlo) but on the other hand he is beating high tiers worse than what they deserve. Remi may be naive when it comes to the problems surrounding her, but she does actually try to correct them like when she became a superhero.
So happy to see a video discussing this. It's hard for me to paint him as a villain -- even while watching him absolutely decimate the highest tiers in the school -- because of all the abuse, bullying, and betrayal he has endured. He was beaten to a pulp and probably close to death how many times? So if one is to paint him as a villain, use that same view with the other kids in the school who did the same thing to him and others. They're all villains. But, on the other hand.. they are all victims. Victims of the school's hierarchy. Victims of society. The whole webtoon is a supernatural reflection on human society as a whole. Who are the real victims and who are the real villains? Honestly everyone in this webtoon is pretty crappy to some extent or another. It's a real reflection of the human race. Sera was cold and didn't really help anyone to start, and Remi is ignorant/naive. Her brother was similar. No one is perfect. All that said... in the end, I keep rooting for John. I'm not sure I should be. I think the moral dilemmas and debates really make this webtoon stand out.
I see John as lawful evil, in his mind he's fighting fire with fire and telling people to get along and breaking up fights isn't good enough, which isn't necessarily wrong. However, what he REALLY wants is a permanent solution to the world, but can only offer a temporary solution for Wellston. What happens after he graduates? The new first years will have the same underlying problem of violently asserting themselves on those beneath them, and no Joker will be there.
But remember that noone knows who Joker is, so it may bring at least 4 years of peace since it may be possible that Joker may be a first year. After the first years of this timeline graduate, then people would go back to their old ways.
I'd say more of a CN alignment. Or a selective OofV paladin. Maybe just me.
What happens after he graduates ? tell me again when John revealed himself as the Joker ? That is the reason he hates Asslos Hierarchy and Reis old system. They do not work over the long run. WIth a masked persona he is instilling fear into the hearts of all tiers no matter how high or low and they are scared of beating up the wrong guy only to have to meet Joker later on. TBH his plan is genius.
What if every year they select a joker but in secret? Then people will live in fear and stop doing what they do now
@@uniquely_kylee1859 a life of fear isn't a life
The quote with great power comes great responsibility is kinda accomplished when he intentionally hides his ability to avoid being a monster.
If you want my opinion, he’s the victim 100%.
So, I think we can all agree that John used to be a terrible person. But we can all tell that he is better now. He prefers having bones broken almost each day to being who he was. In my opinion, he’s 100% redeemed like this. His spirit was unbreakable.
*But guess who broke it?*
Asslo. He could *easily* tell that John had mental issues by a day after his fight with Asslo.
*But did he get help? Did he stop pushing? Did he even care enough to contact one of the few things keeping him sane?*
No. Of course he didn’t! This is Asslo we’re talking about!
When it came out that John was *SO* mentally unstable that he hospitalized half his class, who gets him help?
Can’t come up with the name?
Exactly.
In my opinion, John is innocent.
Why?
John is dead. Asslo killed him.
And if he wasn’t dead yet,
Guess who else killed him with their bare hands.
Seraphina.
Who was keeping him sane?
Who BARELY talked him apart from training together?
Who isolated him after learning about his mental problems?
Yep.
And now, I can say one thing.
John died innocent.
All that’s left is Joker.
A psychopath wearing a mask, attacking his trauma with his bare hands.
Edit! His approach isn’t a way of reasoning with him being a villain. In my opinion, if you think it out correctly, he actually is doing this in a genius way. This is re-inforced by Remi. “If you got attacked by a Joker, you must have done something wrong to get them to fight you.” Avoiding beatings in that climate is simple. Be like John. Don’t bother anybody. Be good with your friends. Try your best to be friends with everybody!
Now, can you tell me who would attack you if you were successful with this?
Nobody! Joker may not have thought it out fully like this, but it works!
Nice one!
I cried last ep doe so John is still the villain
So, in other words, John’s good side died out a few days after Arlo’s ambush, and all that’s left of him is Joker, a merciless monster.
Well in my opinion John is like blinded by anger and like I still think nice John is there but it’s like he’s hiding like it’s like nice John is letting anger take over him
I disagree with the seraphina part tho, she literally had her whole world broken by what John did, if I were in her shoes, then I would distance myself from him.
honestly I kind of want john to become a villain, and btw you can tell johns character changes mid way through the story his text bubble goes from white to black, I really like how his character is setup.
Okay so first up, great video! It really does sum everything that makes up John so good job! And, in my opinion, I believe that John is the victim since, after the incident at Boston High, he did his best to avoid fighting unless he had a reason to. He never went looking for trouble, and even during the fight with Arlo, he only did what he did because he didn't have a choice. Maybe it can be argued that he went too far, but I think that is just how he handles situations that call for violence. In Boston, by starting out as a cripple and eventually becoming powerful, I think he developed the mindset that the only way to ever deal with violent situations and get people to leave you alone is to beat the fear into them so badly that they never dare oppose you again (why I think this is a whole other discussion involving psychology that I won't get into). It was just the mindset he was forced to develop to survive Boston, and even then he never attacked others with his power unless he had a reason. It only changed when Arlo pushed him too far, after the incident with Sera's kidnapping. Now, his friend's life was in danger, and he realized that he could no longer realy on Arlo to take care of the situation and that he had to fix things in the only way he knew how. That's why I think John is really a victim, and even if he is a villain, based on his actions and his love of Sera, I think he still has a chance to change. (sorry if this made little sense, I came up with some part of it on the fly as they occurred to me)
Now i get why the headmaster said "We need a person like him around" (If that's what he really said)
idk i feel like he’s both.
he’s a victim in the sense of everything horrible that happened to him and the high tier low tier system, but he’s a “villian” in the sense of the road he’s going down. instead of bettering himself, he’s just digging a deeper hole for himself. idk how to word it right, but i definitely don’t think john is in the right but i can see why he does what he does. i hope john becomes better and gets a redemption arc or smth, even though he already tried that with this new school.
I have never agreed with someone more as i have with you right now. Yes he is a victim, but still he is a villain. Oh! This is actually quite exiting! Maybe instead of seeing a victim rise up and become a beackon of light and become a hero, we are seeing the story of a victim who took all the wrong choices and in the end became your typical villain! Nice!
😭 Poor sera
The idea that he wants the higher tier to accomplish what he failed to do is a lot like a parent who tries to force their ideals on to their children, and reprimanding them when they fail too. I commented on the last chapter of S1 that he became what he *fought* against. And had hoped that a redemption arc was on the way, for him and some of the others.
I dont think John is a villain. But he isn't the hero.
If he had the right "rehab" when he was younger things could have been different.
But the high tiers neglected there position believing they could do whatever whenever.
They had younger people in constant fear. John's way made sense. He made everyone cower in fear, smaller levels could beat higher levels, it's even now.
No disrespecting each other, because you don't know who is safe or not
John is a weird character because on one hand you can say he is doing what everyone else is doing but on the other hand he hospitalized remy and Blake who were relatively nice to him(especially remy).
Even uru-chan couldnt answer this question xD
His dad hinted at it when he asked sera who was stronger out him and her that he may have been strong
We all wanted the hairgel to disappear. We we're unaware of the demon we unleashed-
I think john is the victim bc if you think about it, none of this would have happened if everyone was nice to john but instead they are mean to him soo they kind of did deserve it. Like the first quote in the video said "if you something something hard to someone, then they do it back harder"
Listen I completely agree accept I still think he shouldn't be so brutal like yeah beat em up but not THAT FAR like I only replied to this comment bc it's most recent and u probably have seen all the new ep so sorry for the long comment
@@5lives17 ur not wrong about beating them up but not to much, if that makes sense
@@5lives17 I think he beat them up nice and going to far in a world of super power would have been to cripple them or kill them
“All it takes is one bad day to break someone.”-joker
In johns case they needed more than just a day
John is the victim. He is a victim of the hierarchy and his own past. It’s like that mask he wears show that he is hiding his past. In the latest episode, he remembered hurting people. It’s almost like he is also a victim of himself
Once John is done with the whole psycho Joker who brutalizes anyone who annoys him thing, he could start a school to help people learn about their abilities. He can get people’s abilities and amp them up. He could also teach those how to use their power. Also, since his power is Aura Manipulation, couldn’t he copy any ability, not just the ones he can see, since abilities give off an aura from the eye no matter what? So, once they activate their ability, John should be able to copy anybody’s abilities, at least once he realizes this.
Shy chef: “is John the villain or the victim
Me: “yes”
John is very much like i was as a young child, a lot of pent up rage and a rough childhood, I was mad at the world because i was labelled an outcast at school, and bullied for having divorsed parents, and because of that and many other factors, I lashed out at everything, I wasn't mentally stable to say the least.
I fought bullies, friends, teachers, resource officers, family.. until no one could handle it, until I couldn't even handle it, so i was sent to a mental hospital, where things just got.. worst.
I can't discuss what happened there because to be honest, I still have bad nightmares about it, I was told its a kind of PTSD but I'm not sure of that.
what I CAN tell you, is that once I got out of there, I was scared not only of myself, but of that place, and I think thats what happened with john and that investigator.
I don't know if I'm better than I was, but I do know my father remarrying and me getting therapy and having a family and genuine friends helped a lot, so I think john isn't a psychopath or sociopath, hes just a hurt young man mad at the world for treating him wrong.
If im not mistaken, his mother isnt in the picture as well, just his father, so maybe this has played into it some? maybe not. but who knows.
I can really relate to the struggles he goes through, and it makes reading unordinary eerily familiar, and reminds me of what i've been through, and helps me root for him to turn it all back around.
I'm not the only one who has been through that sort of hell, so I'm sure there are others out there who feel the same as I do.
So, Personally, I don't think johns a villain. I think hes misunderstood, and not in the right mind, he needs help, and needs friends, and I look forward to that happening.
I wrote this because there is a few out there who would say hes just crazy and evil, but hopefully my little story can shed a bit of light on this some!
Neither. An expertly written protagonist.
Why do I want you to be John's Therapist.
I'd say he's either neither or both. He's human. He's been decieved and disappointed and he lost sight of what's right and real. They don't need to fight him they just need to give him an honest helping hand. I really like John and I believe he has potencial to grow. I want to see him grow.
Well, I've found this situation quite the Thrill, I do prefer John as a Villain. John can certainly take down a lot of people but there is always a limit, and another weakness is his mental state. They might not get to him physically, but they can get to him Mentally. So in times like these, I have no Idea of what to think of this.
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Has anyone noticed that Unordinary is exactly like a utopian society? The definition of a utopian society is a society with perfect mind set that sets standards for themselves to be a complete perfect society. Often in utopian societies there are strict rules, a high level of power, and cruel punishments for defying the rules. Unordinary is exactly like that. The perfect society mindset is the hierarchy thing; everyone has a role to play in society and they will get punished for doing/thinking otherwise. The high level of power in the Unordinary world are the high tiers(Remi, Arlo, Blyke, and such). They all believe in the hierarchy system which is basically a caste system; the higher level of power people have, the better respected they are, and people who are weaker are the treated worse. As high tiers, it's supposed to be their job to enforce this(just as Arlo was trying to do) and if people defy this system, that are punished for it, just as all the weaker, lower tiers are pushed around a lot by mid tiers, and high tiers do the same to them. And in every utopian society, the people/citizens are forced to follow and obey this system because they don't know any better. And lastly, John the rebellion in this story.
You mean dystopian society? A society in which they pretend to be perfect?
@@mariarabaca3064 I don't mean to say that you're wrong, but a dystopian society is the exact opposite of a utopian society, a dystopian society is when society is broken down and in ruins.
@@hannahkern9675 I see what you're saying but what I am saying is that Unordinary wouldn't be a utopian society. A utopian society is supposedly a society of perfection. Your idea of paradise, but a dystopian wouldn't exactly be a place of ruins. It could also be a place pretending to be a utopia. Take "The Giver" for example, the main character lives in a supposedly utopia but he finds out that it is a dystopia. The Elders, his own father wouldn't mind killing babies. The elders would be the high tiers and they had quite extreme punishments.
@@mariarabaca3064 Hmmm... I do see what your saying and it makes sense. It was a bit too far fetched of me to call unordinary a complete utopian society, and I didn't think about the perfection part. Thanks for correcting me, I'll fix that.
He think he is kinda like a angrier version of Spider-Man combined with Scarlet Witch because he recognizes his power in the beginning recognizing that he did wrong but he’s also like Scarlet Witch because when he couldn’t take it anymore instead of trying to fix the problem he just destroyed the problem altogether.
Edit: so I think he’s closer to a anti-hero because he goes to far to fix a bad situation but he still does something that in his opinion is “good”
Good job summing it up! I still think John is a bit of an antagonist or at least an antihero, but he’s very sympathetic as well, and many of the other characters are also awful or at least used to be. This video actually made me feel like I understand John a little more, so again, very good!
I never thought john as a victim. We have to understand the world of unordinary first. The book his father wrote said it all. In the world of "cripple"(those with power) there is a single person with power who used it to better the society. John try to living that kinda world. He always tries to saying that the way the world work is fucked up. Those with strong power (Ace,king,queen, etc.) Should use it to protect the week, not setting the opposite example by proving the strong get to do anything just because. Sera understood this, that's why she befriend john and stop playing part as an ace instead spending her time like normal youth with john. What john is doing rn is just implementing their believe that the strong get to do whatever. That lasser guy and the electric girl wanna befriend him now and john an asshole for refuse?? The hell! Ofc he pissed off cause he knew only when they know john's capabilty now they trying to persued him. In the end all john wanna do is living a normal high school live with his friends without bondaries of power(status)
You know all the reason for John to act how he is now is asslo’s fault
I understand how John feels he wants to dash out would have people been giving him and I understand that but the main thing is that he is lying hero or villain he still a liar even lie to the closest person to him and that sera seeing John become the Joker and also having powers is now breaking her because she admires John she looks up to John and basically she loves him because of his character because of he's not going to back down even if he was weak but pretending to be weak is killing her because he's the only one that changed her he was a unordinary person that she look up to but now that's gone.
But remember, he lied without any ill intention. He lied even before he met Sera and it's way too unpredictable on how Sera would react to john having power. Cause in a situation like this, it's very unlikely that she will ever see him as a friend ever again.
@@pikira2246 factsss
I feel bad for John when Sera knows his lies he doesn’t understand him for hiding it. I agree he should have mercy I hope the new episode a new man comes
Huh, I love the comic, John is an awsome character, now this got me thinking. This is great content, keep up the good work.
John was just livening he’s life peacefully till arlo disturbed John peace that lead to John becoming sort of an anti-hero
AntiHero with Edge. With the latest episodes like really Like we get Mr edge lord
There’s nothing wrong with John being brutal if I was him I’ll be brutal too
John just fell victim to
his own power
Villian or victim?
You mean I can't pick both?
John isn’t the villain. The people around him made him like how he is. But his goal went from understandable to insane. He’s to brutal and ruthless. He didn’t want this to happen bcuz he knew this is what would happen. He knew if they weren’t gonna change than he has to make them change, but it greatly backfired. Tbh he’s the most human out of any of the characters. We make mistakes and take things to far. Plus his past screwed him up and he’s a ahole bcuz of the people who betrayed him and made him suffer. This is just his retaliation. Great video and I love this series to. Keep up the great work
In my opinion John can't truly be called a villain, since what he's doing is just switching everything around. Rather than just those at the bottom being beaten senseless, anyone can be attacked. Obviously like you said, his actions are wrong, but they are also justified, since all he's doing is broadening the range of those in danger.
You can only punch a man so many time’s before they punch back in my opinion he is showing the world what it’s like to be a cripple and what it’s like to be treated my crap I believe he is a anti hero like Deadpool
One quote for John's character
'' john is the Villain who is just a victim of his own power and circumstances ''
'' after all Villains are victims at their core''
There are two sides to him
What he is? A monster
Vs
What he wants to be? A human
A monster who wants to be human but his nature and circumstances around him won't let him.
For the most part I do feel Jon is in the right, but there are some moments when he does push it to far.
Like with my remi😭
@@s.bs.b5834 remi deserve a good beating, i mean what a great hero to gang up on someone just because he is stronger and better than you?, just like what ember did to her brother
Going to far would have been if he kills or cripple them, they all have super powers, and super healing
@@vitorio679 she Attack him in group because he beat the ass of everyone and almost killed them.
@@s.bs.b5834 in a world where you can heal all wounds with a couple of hours of rest, and you sai he almost kill them?.
I'd say he's a gray...damaged, but in the right, and goes overboard with justice.
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He is niether just a lost sad boy😢
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You should watch Subzero. It's BOOTIFUL, and John is a hero. He is amazziinnhg. And I ship him with seraphina.😎💜👍
Will take a while for the 2 to be together after sera keeps wounding john and john beat the sh*t out of her
The beating he gave Isen, Blyke and Remi in those last few episodes of season 1...
That extra zap with the black lightning on Isen? Savage, DEFINITELY UNNECESSARY!!
this makes me think of the movie Joker lol in the movie we could see the joker as the hero of the movie despite having assassinated pretty badly those who wronged him/ignored him but in other DC movies hes seen as the villain bc we had no context to his character. now that we have reasons for him being a villain, we dont call him that anymore, we start to see that hes human and we, deep down, start to root for him.. the story plays kinda the same in ordinary, we see john as a human being wronged by other ppl who sit in a “superior” position to him and then see him turn to a “bad” path like in the joker. the only difference is that in the joker we dont really see the others as “victims” or “humans” we just see them as pretentious figures who wronged him, while in unordinary, we see john’s “victims” as victims, as humans.. so we end up having a hard time deciding whos the hero and whos the villain.. when in favt tyeres none they r both bad and good in their own ways. tbh i root for john, like ofc he kinda sucks for beating ppl to almost death, but at tye same time the society failed him so its kinda their fault. like in the joker, the society failed him so they ended up getting a big fat slap in the face
No in the movie, joker is show like a vilain.
Scary how someone can go from opposed to the opposer
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Ok I have heard both sides of the argument and I can say that in a way I agree to some extent. John’s ‘Joker’ thing may have come from both Arlo and his ‘intense’ rehab that happened, in chapter 104, we had flashback of John’s rehab... with that kind of thing happening for a whole year. I can’t help but have a reason to believe that John might have gotten a bit psychotic after the rehab and in chapter 135 we see that John is afraid of Keon, after that kind of treatment for a whole year I can’t exactly blame him. I also have a reason to believe that his mother is a part of EMBER, so we can see where and how John got his ruthlessness. While he did learn compassion, kindness and feelings from his father along with self defense, he also learned things a young boy shouldn’t have known even with the society in UnOrdinary. So I see John more of a victim than anything. This is my opinion if you don’t agree to it I have no problem.
NGL in a way his ability is like All For One's quirk
Well all villains are victims
Every villain has a reason for doing what they do mostly due to some past trauma or due to some personal issues
I think that John’s only true flaw is one that’s not even fault and that is lacking proper guidance. He’s only in high school. The only people that know about his power either look down on him or are afraid of him. Everyone else just sees him as an easy target. He has no true role model and only one real friend. The school seems to have some really strong people on its staff like the headmaster, but no one has gone out of their way to take John (someone that clearly needs special attention) under their wing. But, when you consider the nature of this society, it’s not too surprising.
The answer is :Yes
I was so pissed that seraphina never questioned anybody what happens to John when she was gone
John is like Handsome Jack from borderlands, in the sense that he was betrayed by the people he trusted time and time again so he ended up not being able to trust anyone really. To sum it up they both were pushed to their limit, and eventually hit a breaking point where they pushed back... and they pushed back hard...
Sera's betrayal is the part that hurt me the most ever .
4:10 he was the king....and that's the highest position there is, btw, the Ace isn't really a position from what i know, for example, John was the King, and the Ace of his school, and Sera was the Queen and the Ace, Ace just means that that person is the strongest. From what i can tell each school has a King, a Queen, a Jack and a healer and those are the positions that make the Royals.
I take john as a type of anti-hero but i think he's in essence not even that, he's just a person that's so comflicted with itself that can only act in extremes and lacks self control and that's due to his surrounding, their society, that's why his case is not all that special, throughout the story we saw them mention some time that late bloomers are known for causing trouble, the thing is, they seem to not realise that they cause trouble because of the system that they implemented, that puts everyone weaker down, so once a powerless person gets power, they naturally want to be on the top of the food chain and get revenge, it's only natural: On top of that, their solution for that is to "educate" them via psycological torture that only turns them into a ticking time bomb: In conclution, he's a victim of the circunstances, but he should learn to control himself better, and "abuse" his power on a more controlled way, like the others do, if he doesn't like the system, tear it down, but the same way they do, by pressuring them little by little, making sure that everyone knows your power even if you don't use it.
everyone was like "get rid of the hair gel" then when he gets rid of it he becomes what he hated the most
I think the story will end when Sera gets her powers back. John will probably fight Ember too
John is just in basically a trauma as we all know from the past so right now he just doesnt know how to control his emotions and and basically does not now what to do about the things that happen to him and others. He needs a therapist to overcome whats inside his head
John is the victim and his goal is to destroy the hierarchy that’s all
Lol. He was part of the Hierarchy. He is hypocrite.
Light Yagami how many times does John talk trash about the hierarchy he hates it because of it every day he’s beat to a bloody pole he is the victim so all that he’s doing is getting back at the thing that caused hem pain what caused sera pain that’s all John is the victim of unordinary.
@@noonesbusiness9422 No. He trash talkes it but its only a farce. He was King in his previous School. Now when he went to a different school and said ge was a cripple he wanted to live a normal life. Yet the people he befriends and tries to talk to are high rankers. He does not give a shit about actual low rankers and cripples. He declared himself as a low ranker but the only people he considered as equal were Sera and other elites
Yes he was king in he’s old school but he noticed that he’s power corrupted hem and read unordinary and every thing changed he tried to live a cripple life and went to school he was happy and remember when people picked on low tires he stoped those fights he even throw rock boy out of a window and he did it with a broken arm and he kept fighting for how cud not protect them self things only changed wen Arrlo ambushed hem and sera lost her ability that’s wen John broke he became the Joker 🃏 he could not take it any more first he went after that girl that pushed sera down the stars and Zeke but no one cars about him he’s a jerk then he went climbing the tire ladder because the school would be broken therefor the hierarchy would also be broken therefor it can change. Look this is my opinion just like every thing that I rite we don’t have to argue but I am going to stand up to my opinion no matter what.
@@noonesbusiness9422 Sorry but he has no plan. He is just a Koren Saskue throwing a tantrum bcuz "he got betrayed". Why was he trying to befriend elitea in the first place? Why does he not have even a single friend from the low class?....He straight up ignores ppl who are not on his lvl.
well from my perspective john sounds more like an anti-hero but ya i do agree john should take his place in the hierarchy so he can help the other mid-low tiers to an extent
Nobody:
Arlo: I’m the strongest! I’ll protect this school with my very life!
Joker: hold my mask
No John didn’t have an ability at first he was a cripple but he was a “late bloomer” and because of that he didn’t know what to do except get back at the higher ups.
That's not correct. John had his powers since middle school. He was a late bloomer in that his powers were obtained later than most.
He only pretended to be a cripple because he didn't want to hurt people anymore. His abilities are what got him in the school in the first place.
Remember, this isn't the first time he ruled a school using fear and overwhelming power.
Ace that’s what I said lol, maybe i should’ve specified before middle school he didn’t have an ability getting into middle obviously not having an ability subjects him to get beat down all the time, then being a late bloomer and having a power that’s greater than every ones makes him want to lash out at those who treated him badly which he did and unlike the ones born with power he no care in the world about hierarchy and was a problem especially after he was ganged up on by the whole school and needed to be rehabbed. Going into highschool he went back to acting like he didn’t have an ability like before he got his power, it was only cause that experience that he was able to act so well. My thing with where the story is i fully support John, dude lived at the bottom and saw what it’s like regardless of what the high tiers preach of keeping the order, it’s only in order for them and from their reality, and what he’s doing is no different than what everyone else does, their only pissed call it brutal and call him crazy cause it’s finally being done to then and not him cause I’m reality every single person in the school that beats the shit out of anyone weaker than them in crazy. I love the principal cause the principal understands it all. The teacher was complain about John being overly brutal but that’s what happens when your whole school is like natrually but you don’t see it until it’s reversed, def can’t wait to see how things play out.
@@Darknorthxl Oh I thought you meant high school.
That story still isn't quite right. He didn't just beat up his classmates senselessly just because of discrimination. He was pushed by that girl from middle school. She pushed him into being King.
Though, he became hurt after seeing her turn against him even though she was the one who pushed him up in the first place. His memory of her turning against him is what stung the most and made him want to pretend to be powerless. (I came to that conclusion due to the amount of times she's shown up in that specific flashback.)
Ace ya now I just want to see the interaction with him and seraphina cause now she thinks he’s some over cocky dude that pretended to be weak cause he was always strong when really he’s just a broken guy that just wants a real friend and to not be betrayed anymore. God such a good story
if u push someone into a corner they will punch back twice as hard
John: Hi I good potato =)
People: No you can’t just wear hair gel and look ugly!
Hair gel: **goes away**
John: haha I go evil now boom boom hahah
7:34 agreed, spider-man is awesome
With great power comes great responsibility
Me:spider John spider John
John is somebody suffering from severe trust issues, anger management problems, PTSD, and a dissociative personality disorder. At least that is what I assume based on what has happened. Also, the fact that his "therapy" was more a form of torture didn't really help.
I like Arlo tbh
idk if i like him or not, i guess i got mixed feelings 🤷♀️
John was never taught responsibility, since he was a low tier at first, plus. The others don't show responsibility. Just because John lashed out doesn't mean he isn't strong, he kept it in until he finally exploded, thanks to Asslo. So John is strong and I believe what he did was right, not everything, but most of it. I honestly believe John will never reveal himself as the Joker, by giving the low tiers a chance against the ones who bullied them, he can relate and would be fine with the destruction around him.
If I may, I’d really like to defend Arlo quickly.
We know that Rei, an advocate for cripples and one of the very first superheroes, was extremely important to Arlo. We also know, that Rei tried to instill his beliefs on to Arlo and teach him to be a fair king. However, Rei is killed. Rei is killed because of this belief that the hierarchy should not matter. This is where Arlo gets his obsession of the hierarchy from. This is where the paranoia comes from. Without order, chaos comes, and he’s experienced this first hand. He watched someone he valued greatly be destroyed because the hierarchy was disregarded.
This trauma is what drives Arlo to push John back “into place” if you will. I’m not excusing Arlo’s actions, because they were horrible, but we must have empathy. If we try to only understand and feel for John, we are doing no justice for the story as a whole.
Yes, he was wrong, but he’s recognized that, and he is trying to fix his mistake. His motivations for apologizing at fir st were still because of this order, but he’s realized now that his responsibility as King is to protect those below him.
John has also done, horrible things because of his trauma, but because his trauma is up front and apparent, he gains sympathy and support from the audience. When you dig deep, there are motives and valid reason for each character to act the way they do, and they’ve all been programmed this way.
Stellalpslover Would you say that Arlo is a reformed villain? He may not be definitely a villain as his intent isn’t entirely bad, but still he hurt people and disregarded those “putting people in their place.” Currently, you can definitely tell that Arlo is changing with other royals such as Sera, Blake, and Remi changing to fix the issue or simply trying to be better people. He may be a fallen king as he finds that falling from his position is inevitable as he may be replaced by John or he will fall due to the fear the people feel that he can’t fix. Arlo is definitely a flawed character due to him being such a “straight-edge,” but yeah, that’d due to Rei being nice and caring to everyone without constraint. Sadly, due to Arlo’s situation, he may never rise up again as John will be there to stop him, but I think he’ll start to see how that’s a good thing in the future and try to actively change his mindset whilst protecting everyone, from cripples to high tiers.
Sarah Lau I actually don’t think he’s villain period. I actually think he’s more of an antagonist. There’s a difference. I don’t think John is a villain either because he’s more of a protagonist even though he’s flawed. It’s quite possible to half a bad natured, for lack of a better word, protagonist and a good natured antagonist. Both boys have made serious mistakes that will cost them a lot. One has already paid for their consequences and continue to still pay, while the other is yet awaiting those consequences, John, which will most likely be losing sera (at least for a while).
Stellalpslover that’s true. Typically antagonists are thought of as more “human” than villains. They would be the antagonist as Arlo, at least in the story, only opposes or antagonizes John and sometimes Sera (the protagonist and main character). Still, if we were to refer to John as the “hero” of the story (he’s more of an anti hero in my opinion) Arlo would be a villain.
The only flaw I find in this is the fact that Argo didn’t know about what happened to Rei until a while into the story. I don’t necessarily think that Arlos obsession with hierarchy comes from Reis death, since Arlo from the beginning said that Rei was a fool for trying to keep things equal, not because Rei died for his beliefs, but because Arlo viewed that way of thinking is flawed. In the end, he didn’t know about Rei being and dying a hero, so I don’t think his obsession comes from that
Alv ex which chapter is that shown? Just so I can go reread it lol