Good to know this vfd is reliable for the revolution. Im very excited my steel is almost here so i can start my build. Thankyou for sharing takecare and keep safe.
Very good Brian. A couple of points of interest. Swap any two motor wires (W, V, U) to get the motor to run in the opposite direction. You can program the acceleration time to "ramp up" to target speed. I use 8 seconds so I can adjust the tracking if needed before the belt gets up to full speed. A lot of these low cost VFDs will display Hz or RPM. You will have to program the number of motor poles, typically 2 or 4. Reading the manual, even if partly in Cantonese, can be pretty helpful. Of course, keep it cool and away from the metal dust. I have a couple of these and a KBAC-27D. I am happy to say they are all working good. Knock on wood. Cheers!
Awesome Dan, thank you so much for this info, AND all the info on your fantastic website. That is where I learned all of this stuff from. YOU are the MAN! :) Hope you are well my friend.
Im borrowing this post hopping to get a good respons(: Im Looking at a grinder with an equal setup and o e thing Im interested is exactly being able to change the direction on the motor to ge the belt going backwards, more expensive modells seems to have this feature but this cheap dont to my understanding. My understanding of electrobics aint the best but i had it also in the back of my head that switching the wires would accomplishe it. Is there a smart way one could wire that up to a single switch? Like having double wires going to the motor and by a turn of the switch change the polarity. Perhaps it would need 2 switched that both world as on switches one for forward and one for reverse. I do have friends that can help me do the actuall work so that i dont electrocute myself but they dont have experience from this so hopefully a can get some guidence here If i understand the possibility correct or not(:
I hooked my grinder up to this VFD, and so far it's a success! I'm going to make an enclosure out of some scrap 16g steel, and an old electrical panel. I'll post the final product on IG. Can't wait for the belts from Brodbeck to arrive so I can really get this beast dialed in
Looks like the wires to the motor would be: Black: T3, T9 White: T1, T7 Red: T2, T8 Bound together: T4, T5, and T6 This is to help others that are also color blind. I had a very hard time telling the green (ground) and 'red' wires apart.
Life saver man, my motor came with all the wires in red so its been a guessing game since. Luckily they are all labeled so this will save me more time and frustration.
I've needed this for like 2 years lol. Another knife maker turned me on to this, I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this. Motor and vfd is ordered, no more trying to grind at full speed haha.
Brian, you always give great stuff for us novices to learn by. Thanks man! I'm planning on using the cheaper vfd for my build. I'm pumped and will keep you posted!
Was hesitant to make that upgrade from my treadmill dc motor/controller to the kbac/ironhorse setup but its made a world of difference! Thanks for the tips! I ran into an issue where the attached mounting bracket on the ironhorse motor relative to my dc motor caused the motor to protrude about two inches further out, throwing my whole setup out of alignment. Had to do some creative modifications to my grinder motor mount to accommodate the new motor and have it align with the platen and tracking wheel.
You have barely scratched the surface of the Chinese VFDs which are very similar but have a myriad of programmable parameters to allow starting at a low frequency for a short time (you select the time) after which the unit can switch to a second higher frequency or directly to the maximum run frequency. The parameters can be altered to select how long each startup frequency stays in seconds before the next frequency kicks in. The maximum frequency can be significantly higher than standard American 60 cycles/second. Be sure your motor can handle the higher frequency. Many of he units have a built in Braking Resister to allow you to select a braking time. In addition they almost all have the ability to add a emergency stop switch, run, reverse, and other things. The little control panel buttons are very small to find in an emergency stop scenario. There are over 100 parameters and the manuals are written by people speaking english as a second language, although very good , they refer to parameters that are not always what we would call them. I have used these VFDs for 5 years now running my Bridgeport and 2 x 72 grinder (by a design that I will replace with your design). I have had only one fail but support from China is not good. I have one coming that will support a 30 meter cable (included) so I can mount the unit in the nearest clean environment, far away from metal dust. My Bridgeport VFD supports a 6 meter cable and I mounted the box about 10 feet above the floor, the control panel below my DRO. Has been successful for three years and counting.
Yeah I agree, I see the instructions and there is so much to learn. Also I was looking at the HZ rating and my motor should only go to 60 so I will have to adjust that. It said I was up to 65. Not sure if that will hurt the motor or ??
Hey bro got my VFD a couple days ago so watched this video just to get familiar with the process of installation I’ll order motor as soon as they are available the only thing about this whole build I was apprehensive about was the electrical side but now I’m fully confident this is gonna be an awesome experience. YOU ARE THE MAN can’t thank you enough brother!!!!!
This is great! I think its probably a very good substitute for a shopsmith powerPro! The later is actually a switched reluctance - one sep above the ac induction you are doing but even another step above both would to rebuild the rotor and add permanent magnets to achieve the MOST efficient IPMSynRM!
Doood -- "Buy once, cry once" is the rule to live by. Always buy the best tool possible. Cutting corners is almost never worth the cost in performance. I will save for years to get the right tool for the job. That said, if there's an alternative that's THAT much cheaper, and it has a ton of people saying it works well, it's worth the time to investigate.~$280 difference on a VFD is good $$ that can be spent on other parts needed. Get a good 2-3hp reversible TEFC motor and you can always buy an upgraded VFD if the cheap one craps out some day.
Hey buddy, same exact vfd I used for mine. They are actually really user friendly. Don't know if you know this or not but you were mentioned as an up and coming channel by a decent podcast. Cool to see. Have a good one.
Brian, that's pretty much the same VFD I just put on my Bridgeport Mill. It's been running for a couple weeks now and working great. I used a plastic remote box and a couple magnets so I can put the little control pad wherever I want. I hate the plastic collars on the crimp connector too. I solder mine after crimping too. I order the terminals without the plastic.
Oh very cool. Magnet is a great idea!! I might just steal that idea! I think my next batch of ring terminals will be sans plastic also. 😁 Hope you are well my friend. 👊🏻
Ted, I'd love to pick your brain about wiring the VFD to the Bridgeport. I have an early 1949 model round ram J-head and since I recently moved my shop to a rural area north of Houston TX, I no longer have 3 phase power. I have a couple of VFD's I bought for my cnc plasma and router tables I'm also in the process of building. I just need to hear and see how other people have done the same thing.
I find it very interesting, now if there is a way to pull out a wire from the connections of the VFD (most VFD has that option too) and connect to a potentiometer in a separate box and easy acessible to your place of work) of a big knob. Sometimes when you are doing mechanical works with the gloves on your hands, it much convenient to access the knob than the small switch on the VFD.
Great video Brian on the wiring for the VFD and motor electrical is not my thing so the info was great. I did read Richard's comment about the amperage for the power supply I do have 220 40 amp power in my shop for my welders and plasma cutter but will have a separate plug installed for the grinder.
I always solder the crimp connectors. I once had an unsoldered crimp connector getting very hot. I measured 0.6 volts across it at 10 amps. That's six watts, and it got really hot.
I'm using the same VFD bought from Ebay for approx. three years now...It can also be programmed to install a remote switch, for start/stop. forward and reverse switch and e-stop. The parameters has to be change in the VFD. I install the control box close the grinder and place the VFD farther away from the grinder to keep the VFD sucking up the metallic dust from grinding. Doing so will increase the longivity of these cheap chinese VFD.
@@HouseMadeUS ....It should be on your inverter instruction that came with your inverter....First, you have to access the programming mode. See page 16 (Parameter Setting Procedure).... parameter P50 (x1 terminal), change to 19 for e-stop; P53 (x4 terminal) change to 5, forward; P54 (x5 terminal) change to 6, reverse; The forward and reverse should be on default 5 and 6 already...The only parameter you have to change is P50, default was 13 change to 19....On page 5 of the instruction, you have to purchase a 10 Kilo Ohms potentiometer, wired to com, Vl1/cI, and 10v/5v., this is for your frequency/speed control.... I ran total of seven (7) 20 AWG control wires for to the VFD. The terminals I am referring to are on page 5, see VFD schematic diagram, common, X1, X4 , and X5. I installed a separate box for 220VAC power. Ensure to programmed all parameters prior to wiring all switches. I had issues with the proramming when I had the switches in closed, and tried programming the parameters and the VFD will not store the data. The terminals are located on the top portion of the inverter. It is hard to see the terminal designation on the circuit board... Forgot to mention ..Parameter P10....change to 2; and P11...change to 2; Here's the link to my VFD powered grinder......th-cam.com/video/F_IH57VvJCs/w-d-xo.html
I have been grinding blades for 5 years with a 2x72 that runs at the same speed. The first thing you gotta ask yourself before you go VFD is if you need it.
Brian you need to put your backing plate for the belt out farther out, to make contact with the belt, and you should put a slight radius at the ends of the plate. If you were sanding a square piece of metal and you pressed it up against the backing plate, your part would be convex really fast.
After what we are going through with the Covid 19, I am glad to see you offer a VFD made in the USA. I have taken the position that when I buy something, I TRY to find it made elsewhere . . .and NOT in China, even if I have to pay a little more. HOWEVER, it is too frequently impossible to find what I need unless it is made in China.
Everything you do is first class. I have a 3 hp Huanyang Inverter to run my 3 phase 3 hp lathe motor. It has a low voltage side to make it complicated. I went through and changed the codes to reflex my motor HZ of 60. Wired it up and nothing. Trying to figure out what's next. Anyway your video is great and thank you for sharing.
I wish I had known I could do three wire from the wall! That would have saved me some money! I did four wire all the way. Haha! Another great and informative video, Brian! I'm with you: Save up and get the quality gear, and you won't be crying later. I've got a 3hp sealed, three phase motor run from a KBDA-29 sealed controller. No worries about dust in the works, or issues with cooling!
More than forty years ago I started buying 3 ph equipment, most of it obsolete industrial machines. At first I synthesized 3 ph with a home-built rotary converter. I added utility-provided 3 ph as soon as I could afford the installation. That made sense when I was able to buy 3 ph power at residential rates. Now, in my new shop, the cost of 3 ph power is sobering. There is a monthly minimum several times greater than my actual usage. My store room holds more than a dozen perfectly good spare used motors none of which cost me more than $100 and that is a 15 hp Lincoln. The rest were $40 or less. Often they were free. Anyone wanting powerful, variable speed machinery ought to stick with single phase and outfit them with VFD drives.
First off thank you! Well done. I'm glad to see you trying different drives to help out your viewers. But I can't help but wonder how many colorblind (mostly men) viewers heads are exploding? Great video. Again Thank you!
I'm glad this VFD appears to be a good alternative. I just bought the plans a few days ago and am excited to begin building it. BTW are you IN Naples? I used to live there.
Glad you are building the machine. Yes I live in Naples, my old shop is still there, but I have recently bought a new building in Fort Myers (more for your money situation) - Cheers and enjoy the build.
Saving up the bucks! Could you please help us understand how loud the gizmo is? My wife and kids are in one end of the house and my workshop is in the other. I sleep four hours most nites and I love late nights in the shop but they complain about grinders, welders and even my plasma cutter! Lazy bums just have no respect. Anyway, how loud is this beast I am about to build? Love what you are doing and it helps us that are just trying to get production going up. Thank you! Blessings!
It’s not loud until you start pushing steel into it. That said from far away it sounds more like white noise if that makes sense? I say go for it and grind all night! 😁
Looks remarkably easy. Can I ask the reason you used 10 guage wire for the input? Its only a 110v, single phase inverter, would an ordinary extension lead do the job just as well?
Wow, the motor alone went up over $100 more. I was excited until I saw the price. I guess I got to the party late lol. In your link I see a 110v VFD. I'm a little confused. Is there a 110v option in motors? Thanks for any help!
Not sure what you mean by a dust shield for the cord going into the motor. By code, it's supposed to have a connector. What kind of connector depends on where the motor will be located. Since it's most likely to be used inside, it doesn't have to be a rain tight connector but using one would still be ok. I love this belt grinder and plan on building one but I have a few things I need to build and sell before I can do it. Plan on ordering your kit for it too. The time savings for me by using the kit outweigh the cost of the kit.
A standard box connector and some clear silicone caulk will work perfectly. An soow connector will work even better if using that as your supply/feed, however, you might have to enlarge the knockout to accommodate a 3/4" connector. S step drill will accomplish the task no problem
Got it hooked up. Nice video. Works great. Can I mount this under my table and have a filter to keep it clean. Has anyone mounted it away from the grind dust? Thanks Robert
@@HouseMadeUS Yes you can. They make special vfd cable that should be used if mounted further away.Belden 29501 14/3, plus Ground, Shielded VFD 1000V UL Flexible Motor Supply Cables $3/ft from Wire and cable your way.com This is used for the wire that runs from the VFD to the motor.
Hey Brian. Are there any possible negative impacts when running a VFD rated for 12 amp/3hp on a 2hp 3 phase motor? A quick google search tells me that it’s perfectly fine, just curious as to your thoughts.
I bought this VFD for my grinder build (Gen 5), but I'll be wiring mine into 110v instead of 220v. What difference, if any, is there with the wiring instructions you're showing here?
Hi Jonathan, this VFD has a separate control box already. It pops out and they even give you a 6ft long cord. All the buttons work. No need for anything more! 💪🏻😁
@@HouseMadeUS Yeah i was stupid and bought a Morphon one before you posted the video. And the control I have doesn't have a dial for the potentiometer, just arrows. And I'd like a large emergency stop. The low volt part isn't the same as yours, or any videos I find online. No worries, just thought I'd ask. Thanks for the reply
VFDs have a HP rating. Usually a scope, like 1-3hp. Since mine is a 2hp motor (3phase) I found a compatible one and use that. There are many on the market.
@@HouseMadeUS Ok the other grinder I built has a 1.5 HP with a VFD and I can change the output HZ to 95 which helps as that motor is a 1700 rpm. and it grinds great. As the new motor it the 3450 you recommended I guess the 60 HZ will be fine. The paperwork on the new chinese VFD you can boost the Hz under P06 which has a default of 65 Hz. have fun
Ok after I wired mine up I change P01 to 60 Hz was 50 Hz the changed P06 from 65 to 110 Hz great increase in motor RPM adjustable with the Pot. When changing P06 after 90 Hz the up arrow will move the decimal move to the right and allows you to go higher, 3 digits for the HZ in place of 2.
Just got my revolution kit last week and motor came today (still waiting on the Chinese vfd). Couple questions: 1. I noticed on this vfd and motor you used 10 and 12 gauge cables and on the kbac wiring video you used 14 gauge for both whips, I assume 14 gauge is good for the Chinese and motor? 2. I have a 50 amp service I use for my welders and plasma cutter, would I be ok to use this for the grinder as well or should I put the grinder on a smaller breaker?
I was looking for the parts list for this build in the link, and can’t find it. I have same VFD and motor set up. Building my revolution gen 4 now and wanted to get supplies for the power supply. I basically need the plug type you use for the wall side. Any help would be appreciated. By the way this video is going to allow me to wire this up by myself, so thank you again for the great information!!!
@@HouseMadeUS since where I live there is no steel distributor, where would be the best place to get the steel? If you had a link for a place to get the steel, that would be awesome!
Only issue I have ever had with these is making sure you check the frequency, I have had then set at 50 and 400 % out of the box. The instructions are hard to interpret but they are there lol
2x2 3/16 wall 1 1/2 ×1 1/2 for tooling. Mr House has a series of build video's that are very good and all your questions can be answered and a few you maybe didn't think of. Takecare
I’m getting some wild “vibration” as the motor speeds up, I am running program p00.00. Didn’t see the same with yours, also my VFD only goes to 50 hz out of the box . Any suggestions?
The vibration is most likely coming from a bent shaft in the motor. Also make sure you set the VFD to 60hz. On my VFD there is zero programming required. Wire it up and go. Good luck. 💪🏻
13:22 I have a similar vfd and I don’t think it’s 32% power. I think it 32hz out of probably 60-65hz which is factory settings top end for these guys. Never mind while I was typing you caught it 😂
This is the best VFD hook up video on TH-cam, bar none. Concise and straight to the point!!
Good to know this vfd is reliable for the revolution. Im very excited my steel is almost here so i can start my build. Thankyou for sharing takecare and keep safe.
Thanks Vincent. I can't wait to check out your build. Should be fun for you. Ill be making those brackets tomorrow if all goes to plan. :)
Awesome ill check the store tomorrow evening hope be placing a order. :-)
Very good Brian. A couple of points of interest. Swap any two motor wires (W, V, U) to get the motor to run in the opposite direction. You can program the acceleration time to "ramp up" to target speed. I use 8 seconds so I can adjust the tracking if needed before the belt gets up to full speed. A lot of these low cost VFDs will display Hz or RPM. You will have to program the number of motor poles, typically 2 or 4. Reading the manual, even if partly in Cantonese, can be pretty helpful. Of course, keep it cool and away from the metal dust. I have a couple of these and a KBAC-27D. I am happy to say they are all working good. Knock on wood. Cheers!
Awesome Dan, thank you so much for this info, AND all the info on your fantastic website. That is where I learned all of this stuff from. YOU are the MAN! :) Hope you are well my friend.
Im borrowing this post hopping to get a good respons(:
Im Looking at a grinder with an equal setup and o e thing Im interested is exactly being able to change the direction on the motor to ge the belt going backwards, more expensive modells seems to have this feature but this cheap dont to my understanding.
My understanding of electrobics aint the best but i had it also in the back of my head that switching the wires would accomplishe it.
Is there a smart way one could wire that up to a single switch? Like having double wires going to the motor and by a turn of the switch change the polarity.
Perhaps it would need 2 switched that both world as on switches one for forward and one for reverse.
I do have friends that can help me do the actuall work so that i dont electrocute myself but they dont have experience from this so hopefully a can get some guidence here If i understand the possibility correct or not(:
@@grimmner consult your specific manual on external control options. Swapping polarity at the motor is not typically recommended with a switch
I hooked my grinder up to this VFD, and so far it's a success! I'm going to make an enclosure out of some scrap 16g steel, and an old electrical panel. I'll post the final product on IG. Can't wait for the belts from Brodbeck to arrive so I can really get this beast dialed in
Awesome dude!! 👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
Looks like the wires to the motor would be:
Black: T3, T9
White: T1, T7
Red: T2, T8
Bound together: T4, T5, and T6
This is to help others that are also color blind. I had a very hard time telling the green (ground) and 'red' wires apart.
Thanks Adam, very helpful! 👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
The cheaper one on Amazon
Thanks for this Adam. I just used this to wire up the motor. I now have a working VFD and motor!
Thanks for this, all my motor wires are white, but labeled.
Life saver man, my motor came with all the wires in red so its been a guessing game since. Luckily they are all labeled so this will save me more time and frustration.
I've needed this for like 2 years lol. Another knife maker turned me on to this, I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this. Motor and vfd is ordered, no more trying to grind at full speed haha.
Thumbs up, if I ever want to get one of those 2x72 I will be calling you.
Thanks John, hope all is well with you up there. Starting to get HOT.
@@HouseMadeUS yup its summer weather for us now. Hopefully the hurricanes will stay away from us, don't want 2020 to be a total bust.
Brian, you always give great stuff for us novices to learn by. Thanks man! I'm planning on using the cheaper vfd for my build. I'm pumped and will keep you posted!
Glad to help Byron. Hope the build is going great. That little VFD is still in use in my shop and running strong. Woot!
Super video! I applauded for $5.00 👏👏
Was hesitant to make that upgrade from my treadmill dc motor/controller to the kbac/ironhorse setup but its made a world of difference! Thanks for the tips!
I ran into an issue where the attached mounting bracket on the ironhorse motor relative to my dc motor caused the motor to protrude about two inches further out, throwing my whole setup out of alignment. Had to do some creative modifications to my grinder motor mount to accommodate the new motor and have it align with the platen and tracking wheel.
Getting this vfd delivered tomorrow and motor on Monday! Can't wait to get it installed, thanks for the awesome video!!
Yeah man! Thank you Kyle! 🙌🏻 🤜🏻⚡️🤛🏻
You have barely scratched the surface of the Chinese VFDs which are very similar but have a myriad of programmable parameters to allow starting at a low frequency for a short time (you select the time) after which the unit can switch to a second higher frequency or directly to the maximum run frequency. The parameters can be altered to select how long each startup frequency stays in seconds before the next frequency kicks in. The maximum frequency can be significantly higher than standard American 60 cycles/second. Be sure your motor can handle the higher frequency. Many of he units have a built in Braking Resister to allow you to select a braking time. In addition they almost all have the ability to add a emergency stop switch, run, reverse, and other things. The little control panel buttons are very small to find in an emergency stop scenario. There are over 100 parameters and the manuals are written by people speaking english as a second language, although very good , they refer to parameters that are not always what we would call them. I have used these VFDs for 5 years now running my Bridgeport and 2 x 72 grinder (by a design that I will replace with your design). I have had only one fail but support from China is not good. I have one coming that will support a 30 meter cable (included) so I can mount the unit in the nearest clean environment, far away from metal dust. My Bridgeport VFD supports a 6 meter cable and I mounted the box about 10 feet above the floor, the control panel below my DRO. Has been successful for three years and counting.
Yeah I agree, I see the instructions and there is so much to learn. Also I was looking at the HZ rating and my motor should only go to 60 so I will have to adjust that. It said I was up to 65. Not sure if that will hurt the motor or ??
Hey bro got my VFD a couple days ago so watched this video just to get familiar with the process of installation I’ll order motor as soon as they are available the only thing about this whole build I was apprehensive about was the electrical side but now I’m fully confident this is gonna be an awesome experience. YOU ARE THE MAN can’t thank you enough brother!!!!!
Yeahhhhhh! Alright let’s see this beast running!! 💪🏻😁
This is great! I think its probably a very good substitute for a shopsmith powerPro! The later is actually a switched reluctance - one sep above the ac induction you are doing but even another step above both would to rebuild the rotor and add permanent magnets to achieve the MOST efficient IPMSynRM!
I bought it through your link. Glad it helped you.
Awesome, thank you!
Good deal Brian! I too had a hard time finding the KBAC27 so I ponied up and ordered a KBAC29. Buy once, cry once...
I am with you Jeff. Glad it worked out. Thanks for hanging out!
Doood -- "Buy once, cry once" is the rule to live by. Always buy the best tool possible. Cutting corners is almost never worth the cost in performance. I will save for years to get the right tool for the job. That said, if there's an alternative that's THAT much cheaper, and it has a ton of people saying it works well, it's worth the time to investigate.~$280 difference on a VFD is good $$ that can be spent on other parts needed. Get a good 2-3hp reversible TEFC motor and you can always buy an upgraded VFD if the cheap one craps out some day.
Just got my Ironhorse motor and VFD this week...looking forward to getting it wired up next week!
VFD is the best way to go.
( added note,) Set the Hz on the slower rpm so not to over heat the motor
It's on my list of projects to build. Thanks for the easy to follow tutorial.
Thank you for watching and supporting my work. 💪🏻
You make a good spokes person.
Thank you. 🙏🏼
Hey buddy, same exact vfd I used for mine. They are actually really user friendly. Don't know if you know this or not but you were mentioned as an up and coming channel by a decent podcast. Cool to see. Have a good one.
Same one I bought. Works great so far.
Awesome Bobby, thanks for the info. Hope you are well my friend!! :)
Brian, that's pretty much the same VFD I just put on my Bridgeport Mill. It's been running for a couple weeks now and working great. I used a plastic remote box and a couple magnets so I can put the little control pad wherever I want.
I hate the plastic collars on the crimp connector too. I solder mine after crimping too. I order the terminals without the plastic.
Oh very cool. Magnet is a great idea!! I might just steal that idea! I think my next batch of ring terminals will be sans plastic also. 😁 Hope you are well my friend. 👊🏻
Ted, I'd love to pick your brain about wiring the VFD to the Bridgeport. I have an early 1949 model round ram J-head and since I recently moved my shop to a rural area north of Houston TX, I no longer have 3 phase power. I have a couple of VFD's I bought for my cnc plasma and router tables I'm also in the process of building. I just need to hear and see how other people have done the same thing.
Ripping it like a pro,bro.!!!!!!
I find it very interesting, now if there is a way to pull out a wire from the connections of the VFD (most VFD has that option too) and connect to a potentiometer in a separate box and easy acessible to your place of work) of a big knob. Sometimes when you are doing mechanical works with the gloves on your hands, it much convenient to access the knob than the small switch on the VFD.
Already have your blueprints now this is the next step. Thanks
What a BOSS. Thank you Brian!
Happy to help!
Great video Brian on the wiring for the VFD and motor electrical is not my thing so the info was great. I did read Richard's comment about the amperage for the power supply I do have 220 40 amp power in my shop for my welders and plasma cutter but will have a separate plug installed for the grinder.
Good idea. I agree with him on that. Makes sense to be safe always. 💪🏻😁
I always solder the crimp connectors. I once had an unsoldered crimp connector getting very hot. I measured 0.6 volts across it at 10 amps. That's six watts, and it got really hot.
Good suggestion. I'll try that next time.
Great video, I was sweating it until you made this video.
Great news! Glad it helped! 😁👊🏻
I'm using the same VFD bought from Ebay for approx. three years now...It can also be programmed to install a remote switch, for start/stop. forward and reverse switch and e-stop. The parameters has to be change in the VFD. I install the control box close the grinder and place the VFD farther away from the grinder to keep the VFD sucking up the metallic dust from grinding. Doing so will increase the longivity of these cheap chinese VFD.
Good to know Pete. Thanks for sharing, did you have any info on how you programed the remote switch? I would like to take a look. Thanks again.
@@HouseMadeUS ....It should be on your inverter instruction that came with your inverter....First, you have to access the programming mode. See page 16 (Parameter Setting Procedure).... parameter P50 (x1 terminal), change to 19 for e-stop; P53 (x4 terminal) change to 5, forward; P54 (x5 terminal) change to 6, reverse; The forward and reverse should be on default 5 and 6 already...The only parameter you have to change is P50, default was 13 change to 19....On page 5 of the instruction, you have to purchase a 10 Kilo Ohms potentiometer, wired to com, Vl1/cI, and 10v/5v., this is for your frequency/speed control.... I ran total of seven (7) 20 AWG control wires for to the VFD. The terminals I am referring to are on page 5, see VFD schematic diagram, common, X1, X4 , and X5. I installed a separate box for 220VAC power. Ensure to programmed all parameters prior to wiring all switches. I had issues with the proramming when I had the switches in closed, and tried programming the parameters and the VFD will not store the data. The terminals are located on the top portion of the inverter. It is hard to see the terminal designation on the circuit board... Forgot to mention ..Parameter P10....change to 2; and P11...change to 2; Here's the link to my VFD powered grinder......th-cam.com/video/F_IH57VvJCs/w-d-xo.html
I have been grinding blades for 5 years with a 2x72 that runs at the same speed. The first thing you gotta ask yourself before you go VFD is if you need it.
I need it. Saves time and material. But that's just me. I know not everyone does.
This helped a lot, love your content and instruction.
I appreciate that very much Al. Thank you.
This seems like an awesome alternative! Another good video! I can’t wait to start my build!
Brian you need to put your backing plate for the belt out farther out, to make contact with the belt, and you should put a slight radius at the ends of the plate.
If you were sanding a square piece of metal and you pressed it up against the backing plate, your part would be convex
really fast.
I am rewatching you could combine your grounds into one crimp
Great video. I really enjoyed it.
After what we are going through with the Covid 19, I am glad to see you offer a VFD made in the USA. I have taken the position that when I buy something, I TRY to find it made elsewhere . . .and NOT in China, even if I have to pay a little more. HOWEVER, it is too frequently impossible to find what I need unless it is made in China.
Yes the preferred VFD is made in Florida! Can you believe that? 🇺🇸
Mike Housewert
Always try to buy something home grown.
That translates to jobs for your neighbours!
Everyone benefits!
🇬🇧🤜⚡️🤛🇺🇸
Awesome video! Really helped out on my build.
Did you program your VFD?
We do not, just run them right out of the box
Great informative video Brian!
good info an video, i bought the vfd followed link,and the motor, 2 more weeks will order grinder,thk for the time and info
Awesome John, thank you for your business and support!! Yes!!
@@HouseMadeUS I believe that the motor should be fine to run on plus or minus 10% of its rated Hertz
Thanks Carter! 👊🏻
Everything you do is first class. I have a 3 hp Huanyang Inverter to run my 3 phase 3 hp lathe motor. It has a low voltage side to make it complicated. I went through and changed the codes to reflex my motor HZ of 60. Wired it up and nothing. Trying to figure out what's next. Anyway your video is great and thank you for sharing.
I wish I had known I could do three wire from the wall! That would have saved me some money! I did four wire all the way. Haha! Another great and informative video, Brian! I'm with you: Save up and get the quality gear, and you won't be crying later. I've got a 3hp sealed, three phase motor run from a KBDA-29 sealed controller. No worries about dust in the works, or issues with cooling!
That VFD you recommend isn't available any more , you have another you recommend ? Great video on the wiring, boy your hands are fast .
The "shield" you are referring to for the peckerhead is called a "cgb" cord gripping bung
Ahhh very good. I was about to call it a thing-a-ma-jig, which is close. 😂
More than forty years ago I started buying 3 ph equipment, most of it obsolete industrial machines. At first I synthesized 3 ph with a home-built rotary converter. I added utility-provided 3 ph as soon as I could afford the installation. That made sense when I was able to buy 3 ph power at residential rates. Now, in my new shop, the cost of 3 ph power is sobering. There is a monthly minimum several times greater than my actual usage. My store room holds more than a dozen perfectly good spare used motors none of which cost me more than $100 and that is a 15 hp Lincoln. The rest were $40 or less. Often they were free. Anyone wanting powerful, variable speed machinery ought to stick with single phase and outfit them with VFD drives.
First off thank you! Well done. I'm glad to see you trying different drives to help out your viewers. But I can't help but wonder how many colorblind (mostly men) viewers heads are exploding? Great video. Again Thank you!
I applaud you! $5
I'm glad this VFD appears to be a good alternative. I just bought the plans a few days ago and am excited to begin building it. BTW are you IN Naples? I used to live there.
Glad you are building the machine. Yes I live in Naples, my old shop is still there, but I have recently bought a new building in Fort Myers (more for your money situation) - Cheers and enjoy the build.
Saving up the bucks! Could you please help us understand how loud the gizmo is? My wife and kids are in one end of the house and my workshop is in the other. I sleep four hours most nites and I love late nights in the shop but they complain about grinders, welders and even my plasma cutter! Lazy bums just have no respect. Anyway, how loud is this beast I am about to build? Love what you are doing and it helps us that are just trying to get production going up. Thank you! Blessings!
It’s not loud until you start pushing steel into it. That said from far away it sounds more like white noise if that makes sense? I say go for it and grind all night! 😁
Plus can you tell me about the belt sander please
Is this video using the 110 vfd or 220 vfd?
220
With that vfd can it also be wired 110 ac
No not this one.
Looks remarkably easy. Can I ask the reason you used 10 guage wire for the input? Its only a 110v, single phase inverter, would an ordinary extension lead do the job just as well?
I've since dropped it down to 14 gauge.
I do not have 220 in my shop can this be plugged into 110outlet@HouseMadeUS
Brian is dust going to be a problem for that vfd?
It can be. I’ve had this one running since this video was made and it’s been fine. I do blow it clean every few days though.
great video...i use a lenze / actech vfd drive. only $150 locally...
Hey Brian, did you program the vfd at all?
No need to program it. Runs great out of the box.
Ok thanks. I bought one to replace another vfd that I’m having issues with.
Love the revolution I built
lucky for me because here in my country 3 faze is standard at homes or workshops. so here we are used to it...
Yeah that must be nice. Shalom my friend! 👊🏻😁
@@HouseMadeUS and the same to you too Brian
Do you have to have 3 phase power to use this
No this converts single phase to 3 phase.
@@HouseMadeUS ok thank you so much
Can you run multiple 3 phase motors from one VFD?
Wow, the motor alone went up over $100 more. I was excited until I saw the price. I guess I got to the party late lol.
In your link I see a 110v VFD. I'm a little confused. Is there a 110v option in motors? Thanks for any help!
There are 110 VFDs that upscale 110 single phase to 220 3 phase. They work great!
Not sure what you mean by a dust shield for the cord going into the motor. By code, it's supposed to have a connector. What kind of connector depends on where the motor will be located. Since it's most likely to be used inside, it doesn't have to be a rain tight connector but using one would still be ok. I love this belt grinder and plan on building one but I have a few things I need to build and sell before I can do it. Plan on ordering your kit for it too. The time savings for me by using the kit outweigh the cost of the kit.
A standard box connector and some clear silicone caulk will work perfectly. An soow connector will work even better if using that as your supply/feed, however, you might have to enlarge the knockout to accommodate a 3/4" connector. S step drill will accomplish the task no problem
Can i us this vfd with 120v out of the wall?
Got it hooked up. Nice video.
Works great.
Can I mount this under my table and have a filter to keep it clean.
Has anyone mounted it away from the grind dust?
Thanks Robert
Best thing to do is to enclose the VFD in a box. That’s the best way. Glad it helped Robert. 💪🏻
@@HouseMadeUS Yes you can. They make special vfd cable that should be used if mounted further away.Belden 29501 14/3, plus Ground, Shielded VFD 1000V UL Flexible Motor Supply Cables $3/ft from Wire and cable your way.com This is used for the wire that runs from the VFD to the motor.
Great Video! Thanks, it helped me wire up my Mill.
Glad it helped! 😁👊🏻
Hey Brian can this set up work with 110 volt I do not have 220 in my shop
Can this vfd work non-stop for 3 hours
Yes I have done this many times.
Is the vfd still working well
Yes, I use it every day.
Hey Brian. Are there any possible negative impacts when running a VFD rated for 12 amp/3hp on a 2hp 3 phase motor? A quick google search tells me that it’s perfectly fine, just curious as to your thoughts.
No negative impacts. We do it daily and have for years.
Explain where you get 220v on JUST the black wire. Or are you applying 110v on the white AND the black to get the 220v?
Yes that is correct. 2 legs of 110 make 220.
Are you saying I can run 110 to the VFW and it will send 220 to the motor sir.
I Don’t have 220 in my shop
With the right VFD yes. It works
I bought this VFD for my grinder build (Gen 5), but I'll be wiring mine into 110v instead of 220v. What difference, if any, is there with the wiring instructions you're showing here?
Do you plan to show how to make a separate control box to wire in a potentiometer, forward/reverse and run/stop switch? I'm on the struggle bus lol
Hi Jonathan, this VFD has a separate control box already. It pops out and they even give you a 6ft long cord. All the buttons work. No need for anything more! 💪🏻😁
@@HouseMadeUS Yeah i was stupid and bought a Morphon one before you posted the video. And the control I have doesn't have a dial for the potentiometer, just arrows. And I'd like a large emergency stop. The low volt part isn't the same as yours, or any videos I find online. No worries, just thought I'd ask. Thanks for the reply
whats the best way to get the incoming power ground and the motor ground on the one terminal on the vfd, i hate bending the crimp connectors like that
Would the vfd and motor still work if it was 220v with 20 amps?
Yeah man. That's plenty of power.
20 amp is the breaker you want, that’s how I wired mine after looking at the max amp draw, anything bigger than 20 amps is a fire waiting to happen.
is the motor going to be connected into a Star o delta configuaration at 230 v or star parallel or double delta delta for higher voltage at 460v
Another great video 🙂
How did you size the VFD for the motor?
1 HP for every 1” of belt width. 2 HP for a 2” belt. Thank you.
@@HouseMadeUS Thats how did you choose the motor size, now how did you size the VFD?
VFDs have a HP rating. Usually a scope, like 1-3hp. Since mine is a 2hp motor (3phase) I found a compatible one and use that. There are many on the market.
Where can I get one of those magnetic lights?
I get them on Amazon: amzn.to/35hN8wT
What size drive wheel for the 3hp version?
5”-7” works great. 🚀
did you have to adjust any parameter settings? finally wired mine...works..(no smoke!!) but not sure if I have to program it...
No programming required.
How many amps does this setup draw in total on full load?
I have a question,
Mine says 1 phase 220v... Would it work using (N) to add another phase? 110+110 across the neutral?
How about a video on programing the cheap VFD, I have not wired mine up yet.
No programming required. It’s plug and play! 💪🏻😁
@@HouseMadeUS Thanks but the one I am using not you can change the freq. it seems this is set to 60 Hz?
60 is where it should be.
@@HouseMadeUS Ok the other grinder I built has a 1.5 HP with a VFD and I can change the output HZ to 95 which helps as that motor is a 1700 rpm.
and it grinds great. As the new motor it the 3450 you recommended I guess the 60 HZ will be fine. The paperwork on the new chinese VFD you can boost the Hz under P06 which has a default of 65 Hz. have fun
Ok after I wired mine up I change P01 to 60 Hz was 50 Hz the changed P06 from 65 to 110 Hz great increase in motor RPM adjustable with the Pot. When changing P06 after 90 Hz the up arrow will move the decimal move to the right and allows you to go higher, 3 digits for the HZ in place of 2.
Just got my revolution kit last week and motor came today (still waiting on the Chinese vfd). Couple questions:
1. I noticed on this vfd and motor you used 10 and 12 gauge cables and on the kbac wiring video you used 14 gauge for both whips, I assume 14 gauge is good for the Chinese and motor?
2. I have a 50 amp service I use for my welders and plasma cutter, would I be ok to use this for the grinder as well or should I put the grinder on a smaller breaker?
Yeah the 14 gauge works great. The motor and VFD don't pull a lot of amps so 14 gauge is perfect.
What about the 50 amp breaker?
I was looking for the parts list for this build in the link, and can’t find it. I have same VFD and motor set up. Building my revolution gen 4 now and wanted to get supplies for the power supply. I basically need the plug type you use for the wall side. Any help would be appreciated. By the way this video is going to allow me to wire this up by myself, so thank you again for the great information!!!
Brian, did you program any of the “P” values and if so which ones?
No I leave the unit stock. Works great
You made this video 4 years ago, how did the vfd hold up?
what amp is your wall outlet that you plug the VFD into? is it a 15A or a 20A outlet?
20amp. 👍🏻
Hey Brian, where is the best place to purchase the square tubing for the revolution?
I got mine from a local steel distributor. They even delivered it for me
@@HouseMadeUS since where I live there is no steel distributor, where would be the best place to get the steel? If you had a link for a place to get the steel, that would be awesome!
Try speedymetals.com someone on the Facebook group go theirs from there. He said it was around $70
@@HouseMadeUS awesome man, thank you very much!
I hope to 1 day be able to afford to purchase your kit,love to own 1 but am broke as a joke so hoping lol
Thank you for this video.
Thank you for watching. Glad it could help.
Only issue I have ever had with these is making sure you check the frequency, I have had then set at 50 and 400 % out of the box. The instructions are hard to interpret but they are there lol
that motor is sold out but i found a good 1.5hp , my question is will a 1.5hp work on that vfd
Yes it will work.
Goodnight. I have a question. what size square tube do you have for grinder
2x2 3/16 wall 1 1/2 ×1 1/2 for tooling. Mr House has a series of build video's that are very good and all your questions can be answered and a few you maybe didn't think of. Takecare
Vincent, it's actually .25 wall for all of the tubing. Don't buy 3/16! :)
@@HouseMadeUS Is 1230mm tape suitable for this machine?
I’m getting some wild “vibration” as the motor speeds up, I am running program p00.00. Didn’t see the same with yours, also my VFD only goes to 50 hz out of the box . Any suggestions?
The vibration is most likely coming from a bent shaft in the motor. Also make sure you set the VFD to 60hz. On my VFD there is zero programming required. Wire it up and go. Good luck. 💪🏻
Maybe a silly question but why not use a single speed motor like every other grinder (except the you tube 2x72 world ) I have seen and used?
Are there any vfd that can control 2 different motors by just flipping a switch or pushing a button.
Not that I know of but I have seen where they put a switch between the motors and just flip it to allow for the VFD to control one at a time.
13:22 I have a similar vfd and I don’t think it’s 32% power. I think it 32hz out of probably 60-65hz which is factory settings top end for these guys. Never mind while I was typing you caught it 😂
Haha! Yeah I am not a quick learner. I do eventually get it. LOL.
How would I go about getting one of these for myself