I bought my Spindle almost 2 years ago. It is the best bed ever. I am 60+ with a little arthritis and neck problems, I have tried a lot of various sleeping positions and mattresses and am so happy that I chose this one. No trigger points irritated, no waking from discomfort or arm falling asleep, it feels so wonderful to rest in. Great sleep, fantastic comfort. The best.
Great to hear! So glad you are happy with it -- and it's especially great to hear from someone that's been using it for two years. Thanks for the comment!
I bought this mattress about 6 months ago and I LOVE it! I spend a lot of time on my mattress, sleeping 9-10 hours/night and, not proud of, I sit and watch TV and eat on my mattress. My bedroom is like a second living room for me! I got the medium, queen model and it was perfect but now I wanted it to be a bit more firm so I did the adjusting of the layers, like Spindle says to do on their TH-cam site, to make it more firm by putting the firm layer in the middle instead of on the bottom! VOILA PERFECT! If I wanted to go more firm in the future, I'd just put the firm layer on the top!!! Talk about and easily adjustable bed!! Another big reason I bought this bed is that my friend used to work with recovering spin surgery patients and they used latex mattresses in the facility!!!
Hi Patsy -- Thanks so much for sharing your very insightful comments here! FYI, your feedback would be even more helpful as a review on GoodBed, where people who are shopping for a mattress and looking for unbiased information will find it more easily. I'm quite sure your experience would be useful to other mattress shoppers. If you're willing, here is a direct link to where you can post your review of the Spindle Medium: www.goodbed.com/review-mattress/model/spindle-medium/
Hi Patsy, do you still like your mattress? Did you have to pay add'l to adjust the layers? Are you a side sleeper? What level of firmness did you pic? Thanks!!!
Patsy Kegebein hello, I read your review and just purchased this bed today, hopefully it works out. Do you still like yours? Any issues so far? I’m a side sleeper and my current be is too firm.
At 12:38, when you said "you're never going to feel like you're rolling out of a hole" pretty much cemented this mattress in my mind -- thank you!!! I'd been researching latex mattresses for many hours, and liked what I was seeing with the Spindle, but BODY DENT is my biggest concern after having gone through THREE very costly mattresses in the past 8-10 months -- a Tumpur-Pedic firm hybrid, then an Intellibed Signature Matrix Deluxe (which is NOT supposed to develop body dent, but did), then the Intellibed Signature Matrix Supreme. I'm at my wit's end, having wasted all this money on mattresses. And since I bought from a local mattress store, I don't have the same return policy -- won't do that again, will go directly to the company! I'm 66 y.o., 5'3" & weigh 190, so am not a lightweight. I sleep on a full size bed, & in the very same place every single night. Even though I need pressure relief in my shoulders (bursitis) & hips (arthritis), I'm thinking I'll get the Firm Firm Firm option, thinking that won't dent as much as a softer one.
I'm 51 and with shoulder issues, and I just got an Intellibed Nightfall to replace a too-firm latex mattress I bought (15?) years ago. It was a pillow top latex mattress, but thought I didn't cut it open (why would I do that?) the only functional thing wrong when I traded it in/got rid of it would be that I had let the outer cover get dirty, and it was way too firm. What you didn't specify is whether you're always a back-sleeper, stomach-sleeper, side-sleeper, or a combination of those, and my natural tendencies (also with UARS causing issues) is to be a side-sleeper, so the Intellibed Nightfall was what I tested as making sense for minimizing issues with the shoulders: indeed, I don't feel any pressure points, but my shoulders still get the squish internally from my own weight, no fault of the bed in the least, so that's an issue that I largely resolve by sleeping a certain way on my side. Too many decades of being hunched over computers and their keyboards combined with some other brute-force labor got me bent out of shape, and even though I had PT for it in 2016-2017, it's just something to manage. Should the Intellibed not work out, from my research, I'd certainly go with a softer all-latex mattress with a natural cover to avoid outgassing/allergies/chemicals, not to mention I do like a springy mattress, and found in my testing I really didn't care for the memory foam response being so slow. I'd not expect even a soft latex layer to develop a body indent, based on my obsessive research I've done lately post-purchase. Definitely one thing about my previous latex mattress, which was a pillow top on both sides and only about 8 inches thick total, compared to my 16" thick Intellibed Nightfall: it was a very heavy mattress, I'm pretty certain heavier than the Nightfall, and certainly harder to handle because it was like fighting with a 60"*80" rubber snake.
Growing up i had a latex foam bed over coils my parents saved it when we moved out and my kids would sleep on it from tome too time they would always say it was the best mattress they had ever sleeped on i have to agree i have never found another bed as comfortable as a latex bed loooove it
Thanks to your wonderful reviews, I decided on this mattress about 3 and a half years ago, and couldn't be happier. This is a fantastic mattress, and is as good as the day I got it. Without online mattress reviews, I would have just taken a shot in the dark, and most definitely would not have even considered a latex mattress. Thank you!
Hi -- and thanks for the comment. So glad you are happy with the Spindle -- it's still a very unique mattress. Would you mind leaving a review for it on GoodBed where other readers will be most likely to see your comments? You'll see the "write a review" link in the middle of the page -- we would really appreciate your sharing your thoughts with other readers! www.goodbed.com/mattress-model/spindle-medium/
I just wanted to thank you for all of your reviews. They are very well done and helped us choose our new mattress. We went with the Spindle and we'll be sure to add a review of it on your website once we've slept on it for a while. Thanks for the discount code, too. The mattress and foundation we bought were a great value to begin with, but that 5% off made it an even better value. Again, many thanks!
Thanks for the very detailed reviews on different types of mattresses. I tried to watched other reviews as well but yours, by far, is the most informative. I have and enjoy my latex pillows but did not know about latex bed so I'm so glad to have stumbled on to your channel. You did such a thorough job that I ended up buying one on a whim. Thanks for the discount code too!!
Thanks Glenn! You are very kind. I'm really glad to hear that the reviews (and discount code) were helpful for you. Thanks for letting us know, and I hope you love your new mattress!
This is a very fine, informative , even educational review of the latex type, and beyond. Telling us the weight of the tester, and the exact nature of the bed frame (platform, slats, metal mesh, springs, etc ). would have been in order. All in all though, very helpful--good work. Who knows, I might even figure all this mattress research out and end up with a pretty good one!
The reason they can "get away with" no fire retardants is because it isn't an assembled mattress - it is materials that you assemble, that's my understanding. If they were to ship the "done" mattress, it would have to have fire retardants. It isn't the wool substituting for retardants. This is per Sleep Essentials channel videos.
Great review!!!! Got me REALLY interested! Ok, so I am female 5'4' and weigh about 133lb and a belly to side sleeper but sometimes wake up on my back lol, I don't like when I lay on my stomach and my back archs cause that hurts. So I understand that I must get a mattress that may be in between soft and firm. Though I really love softness and all, I just can't handle the pressure it gives my body either. So tell me how much would a full size 100% natural Latex mattress cost? Is it like yours here, with three layers? If you're not satisfied with this product, is it returnable with full refund? Also, where did you get the organic cotton and wool cover from? Thank you much!!
Thanks Tita! You can buy the exact mattress shown in this video directly from Spindle (the manufacturer) for $1,149 in a full-size, including free delivery. And, you can save an extra 5% off of that price by using the link and promo code shown in the full description of this video above. Just like the one we showed, the mattress you get will have 3 layers of all-natural latex, and comes with the same organic cotton and wool cover. In terms of returns, you have a full year to decide if you like the mattress. During that time, if the comfort level you chose is too hard or soft, you can purchase an additional (replacement) layer of latex that is softer or firmer for $150. Or, you can return the mattress completely for a $299 return fee. Hope that helps!
I really enjoy how thorough and evenhanded your reviews are. Any chance you’ll be reviewing any hybrid latex mattresses (i.e. Nest and Brentwood Cedar) in the near future?
Hi Alex -- Thanks for your question, and your kind words. Your question is actually very timely, as we just completed our review of the Nest Latex Hybrid so will be releasing that within the next few weeks. Once it's available, you'll be able to find it on our site here: www.goodbed.com/mattress-line/nest-bedding-hybrid-latex/ You can also subscribe to our TH-cam channel or follow us on Facebook to be notified when it comes out. Re: the Brentwood Cedar, we don't have any immediate plans to review that mattress, however we do prioritize our reviews based on input from our readers, so your interest in our review of that mattress will certainly be noted.
Good detailed review. Would like to hear a little more on the comfort/feel of it though (review in general, not this particular mattress) and would definitely like to see your take on a saatva mattress!
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. Yes, I think so. In general, a Medium or Medium-Firm softness level is best for that sleep position combination, depending on how susceptible you are to pressure points (more susceptible would swing you more toward Medium) and how much you weigh (heavier would swing you more toward Medium-Firm). I hope that helps.
I bought an IComfort mattress just 6 mos. ago & it is already breaking down. I have been doing some research & would like to buy an 'All Latex' mattress. I am questioning the break-down of this (Spindle) mattress, seeing I am 228lbs. & only 5'7". What would your recommendations be for a side sleeper?
Hi Rita -- Thanks for your question and sorry I missed this earlier. Based on the information you provided, I think you might be slightly better off on a latex hybrid (ie, latex over pocketed coils) than on an all-latex option like the Spindle. I think this would give you a bit more support under your hips. FWIW, the short BMI quiz on the Spindle website will likely provide you with a similar conclusion. FYI, here are a couple latex hybrids for which we've done in-depth reviews: * Nest Latex Hybrid: www.goodbed.com/reviews/nest-hybrid-latex-mattress-review/ * Avocado: www.goodbed.com/reviews/avocado-green-mattress-review/ I hope that's helpful.
Hi Annelle -- Since everyone has different needs and preferences, and every mattress has different characteristics, we don't have general preferences for one mattress over another. But, given a specific person's needs and preferences, we do prefer one mattress vs. another in terms of how good a match it is for that person. All that said, with these two mattresses, the differences are pretty subtle (and both are great products). Here they are: * Spindle is less expensive. * Spindle is Dunlop, PlushBeds is Talalay (Talalay is a more involved process that results in latex with a bit more consistent density). * Spindle comes in 3 layers, which can be swapped, flipped, and re-ordered if needed or desired to create slightly different feels. * Spindle requires some assembly. * Spindle has a longer trial period than PlushBeds but also has a return fee (PlushBeds does not). * Spindle comes in one thickness (PlushBeds has multiple thickness options, at different prices). * Both companies have different softness options, but I believe the softest PlushBeds option will be a tiny bit softer than the softest Spindle option. I don't know this for sure though since we have not yet done a formal review of the Botanical Bliss. I hope that helps!!!
2 questions: A 6'3" 215lb Side and Back sleeper here 1. Will a a 6" 34ILD core and 2" 20ILD configuration, theoretically be supportive enough for my weight? 2. At 6'3" should I go CA king or regular King?
Hi John -- Thanks for your questions. RE: #1, TBH I haven't spent a lot of time exploring different DIY configurations so I'm afraid I don't really have a well-informed perspective on that. Re: #2, I would definitely recommend going with a CA King over a King provided it fits well into your bedroom layout. A King is the same length as a Queen, whereas a CA King is 4" longer. At your height, those extra 4" of length would definitely be a noticeable advantage. You would be sacrificing a little width (a CA King is 4" narrower than a standard King), but I think that would be a worthwhile tradeoff in your case. I hope that's helpful.
I am planning to buy 4 inch mattress which has two 2 inch pieces. Each 2 inch natural latex foam is rated firm. So basically the configuration is firm 2inch over firm 2 inch. I am a lean guy weighing 65 KG. I sleep sideways but supported by stomach.. basically a position between side and stomach. I also have lower back disc issues and get time to time nerve pinching related pain in leg or hand. So wanted to know what do you think whether this mattress will be good?
Where did you find that the cover is certified by the GOTS standard? They claim they are organic, but I can't find their certification on their website.
Hi Mark -- Thanks for your question. All the information we cited about certifications came directly from the company and was accurate as of the time we made this video. I am not aware that the company has made any changes on this front since then, however if you find out that the cover is no longer GOTS certified, please let us know and we will add an update accordingly.
My interest in your name comes from me being born and raised in Iceland ,but I have life most of my adult life in the states . This is a common name in Iceland and I recognised the spelling difference . Thanks for your help in the mattress choosing and I chose Stearn and Foster , even though I was interested in some of the Latex once .
My pleasure +sputnic, and thanks for letting me know which mattress you ended up choosing. I hope it works out well for you, and that you checked GoodBed before buying to take advantage of any special discounts we may have from local stores who carry Stearns & Foster in your area. Re: my name, sadly there is no relation between me and your fellow countryman Magnus von Magnusson (the long-reigning strongest man in the world) -- despite the striking resemblance in our physique... ;) Thanks again for your comments.
Hi Joshua -- Thanks for your question. For most sleepers in a normal or higher weight range, you definitely need at least 8-10" of *something* to create a supportive and pressure-relieving sleep surface. Otherwise you would simply bottom out, which would result in pressure points and make proper spinal alignment impossible for many people. You could substitute the bottom 6" of latex for another type of support -- eg, springs or foam. This would certainly change the feel and other characteristics, however there are plenty of mattresses made like this (eg, latex hybrids) and they do work well for some people. But of course, this would not eliminate the cost of the bottom 2 layers of latex, since they would still need to be replaced with either foam or springs. The principal reason that the layers here are shipped separately is to reduce the cost. Latex is a heavy, high-quality material so putting this much latex in a mattress that ships as a single unit would make that package too heavy to ship through normal UPS/FedEx. Alternative shipping methods are much more expensive, and this cost would need be passed on to the consumer. So the reason for shipping it the way they do is actually to reduce the cost to the consumer and make an all-latex mattress accessible at a lower price point. I hope that's helpful.
What is the process of returning? Do you have to pack it up yourself, and ship it back to the company...or will someone come by, and pick it up for you?
Hi Alan. Thanks for the question. If the company can't get you satisfied with the mattress, you can get a refund. You would need to donate it to charity and show some kind of donation letter or acknowledgement.
Hi +H Fleming -- Thank you very much for your kind words. Regarding Sleep EZ, we have not yet done a formal review of any of their products. As you can see, our reviews are very in-depth and time-consuming. As such, we can only afford to review the products that are of greatest interest to our users. We prioritize products to review based on inquiries here and through GoodBed.com, so I'll make sure that your interest in Sleep EZ is noted accordingly. Thanks again for your comment.
I'm adding this bed to my search of beds and the Zenhaven , which is more expensive . What is your favorite Latex ? There is a new one called Roma from EZ and only $750 for queen Where is your name Magnusson from ?? Thanks
Hi +sputnic -- Thanks for your question. I don't really have "favorites" because I fundamentally believe that no mattress is good for everyone and (almost) all mattresses are good for someone. So, for any given person, I could definitely feel that one latex mattress would be a better match than another. But I wouldn't say that mattress is better in general or my favorite because for another person, a different latex mattress might be a better match. With regards to the Roma mattress you mentioned, I'm afraid I haven't tested that mattress, and haven't heard much about it either. Thanks for your interest in my name as well. It's a Swedish name and actually in Sweden it is spelled with a double "s" the way you wrote it. But in the U.S., my family spells it with just one "s".
plz tell me where I can find a 3 inch talalay latex topper that is sot, bought a new latex mattress that was suppose to be plush, but only plush if you think putting a sheet across my dinning room table is plush, the folks I got this from off of Overstock, should really look at the products they are selling. The mattress is cool and I love that, but it has no wool, wish it did but I can buy a wool topper also. It is slow to respond, and I keep my bedroom very cool, BUT please tell me where to go to find a great topper that is soft, thanks
Hi Brenda -- Thanks for your question, and I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with the Overstock mattress. I'm not aware of Spindle offering a topper product, but there is a company called PlushBeds that offers a variety of toppers, including softer ones made from either wool or Talalay latex: www.goodbed.com/o/m/plushbeds/ I hope that helps.
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. Organic latex is made entirely from the sap of organic rubber trees -- meaning that they were grown on a rubber tree farm that has been certified as organic (typically this requires that no pesticides are used in addition to other sustainability practices). 100% natural latex is made entirely from the sap of rubber trees, but ones that have not been certified as organic. So both of these are equally natural, but the latter is not certified as organic. By contrast, latex can also be made from petroleum, without the use of any rubber tree sap, which is known as synthetic latex. If a mattress contains latex that is simply called "latex" or even "natural latex" (rather than "100% natural" or "all natural"), it typically contains synthetic latex. You might want to check out this article, which provides some additional details on this: www.goodbed.com/latex-mattresses/natural-vs-synthetic/ I hope that's helpful.
GoodBed Your help is greatly appreciated Michael. I’m leaning towards a latex mattress and I’m just trying to get as much clarity around the process as I can. I’m leaning towards a Spindle mattress and my thinking is that the cooking process of Natural latex might take care of any pesticides used on rubber trees with Dunlop. Thank you very much for your guidance.
Hi Karthi -- Thanks for your question, and sorry for taking a couple days to reply. This same question was actually asked in one of our other comments, so I thought I would just paste my main response for you below. I don't know that I'd add much specific to it with regards to kids, since I think either of these mattresses could make an equally good choice for a kid. I hope this breakdown is helpful for you. -------- Both of these are great options. Zenhaven and Spindle have very similar materials and construction, so the biggest differences are in price, return policy, the delivery and set-up experience, softness / comfort options, and company track records. The Spindle is less expensive, but Zenhaven has a better return policy. The Zenhaven also comes delivered all the way to your bedroom (rather than to your doorstep) and comes fully assembled (rather than putting it together yourself). In terms of comfort, both of the Zenhaven softness levels are near the middle of the spectrum, so if you think you want something softer (or extra firm), Spindle has more options on that front. Both companies have very good reputations -- the difference being that Zenhaven has more of a track record as a retailer, and Spindle has more of a track record as a manufacturer. Zenhaven, as part of Saatva, is a very well-established online mattress seller with a stellar customer service reputation. Spindle makes their own mattresses (and its owners have been doing so for decades), but is newer to the model of selling directly to consumers. In terms of the materials themselves, the main difference is that Zenhaven uses Talalay latex while Spindle uses Dunlop latex. This difference is pretty small though in the scheme of things, so we generally consider the other factors mentioned above to be the key differentiators in this case. Hope that helps you hone in on the one that's best for you.
Hi Susie! Thanks for your note. This is very strange as I just tried the discount and it seems to work fine. See screenshot here: d.pr/i/31JMFo Perhaps you spelled it differently?
This is very informative and helpful! My boyfriend and I did a lot of research and are buying our topper today. Just trying to decide between a soft or a super soft. We have a firm tempurpedic mattress that hurts our backs and hits those pressure points when side sleeping. Would you say that there is a big difference between soft or super soft. Looking for some added plushness but still need support. Can you make a suggestion between those two?
Hi there -- Thanks for your question (and kind words!). I think that if you have a firm Tempur-Pedic, either the Soft or Super Soft will have a lot more surface softness than what you're used to now. In light of that, to make your transition a bit easier, my inclination would be to go with the option that is closer to what you have now. Also, if it ends up being too firm, it is always easier to make a firm mattress a bit softer than the other way around. I hope that's helpful.
Just curious to see which mattress u ended up getting if u don’t mind me asking. I bought a tempur pedic and even though it was the softest (after according to the guy who sold it, it would take about 3-4 weeks to break it in, which 6 months later I’m struggling to sleep in the bed. I have terrible hip pain and back pain. I have been going to bed just to move to the couch in the middle of the night. I have to go to the chiro and the horrendous guy (who sold me the mattress) told me after 3weeks that I couldn’t return it I am really suffering a lot and I’m In miserable pain. So I don’t want to make another costly mistake. Did u buy a soft or medium and do u have any complaints?thanks so much
I've watched a gazillion mattress reviews, and not ONE of them has featured a person laying on the mattress using a PILLOW. When it comes to demonstrating support and pressure relief, it would seem that having the body in the right position would be important. And this can only be done if One's head & neck are being supported properly.
Hi Alan -- Thanks for your comment. This is an astute observation and a very fair criticism. It has actually been a topic of some debate in our own ranks over the years whether we should use a pillow in our reviews. On the one hand, as you pointed out, using a pillow has important benefits in bringing the neck and upper spine into alignment. It is also more reflective of how someone would use the mattress in real life. On the other hand, the optimal pillow for me to use on any given mattress would vary from the right pillow for someone else to use. This is because the job of a pillow is to fill the gap between the head and the bed, and the size of this gap will vary based on factors like how far you sink in to the mattress (ie, your weight), what position(s) you tend to sleep in , how broad your shoulders are (if you're a side sleeper), etc. By this same logic, the choice of pillow could vary just for me depending on whether I was going to be demonstrating the mattress in a side, back, or stomach sleeping position. Confounding matters further, the pillow(s) that I would choose for use with this mattress would likely be different from the one(s) I would choose to use with another mattress, since I may sink in more or less on that other mattress, making the gap between my head and the bed smaller or bigger accordingly. As you can start to see, all of this introduces a great deal of inconsistency. Since one of the benefits of our reviews is allowing us to compare mattresses apples to apples -- and to allow viewers to clearly see how the same person looks on each different mattress -- this inconsistency is not ideal. As such, we have decided (so far) that the drawbacks of introducing pillows to our reviews outweigh the positives. And that is why we do not use pillows in our reviews. I hope that's helpful.
Hi Cera -- Thanks for your question. No we have not reviewed that mattress yet -- however we do prioritize our reviews based on input from our readers, so your interest in our review of that mattress will certainly be noted. That said, FWIW we get lots of inquiries about different mattresses and I believe you're the first person to inquire about that particular mattress. So for the time being, I'm afraid it will be near the bottom of our list.
Hi +Kaozong -- Thanks for your question. The best examples of mattresses that are fully certified organic come from these two brands: * Naturepedic: www.goodbed.com/o/m/naturepedic/ * OMI: www.goodbed.com/o/m/omi-organic-mattresses/ You are right that such mattresses can be a bit hard to find in local stores, depending on where you live, and of course they are more expensive than the Spindle. Naturepedic is sold online though and delivers nationally. I hope that helps.
You mention the WinkBed.. Over time, will the WinkBed ever develop a sag for the Big fellas? I have a 2 year old Sealy that has a sag on both sides and I rotate often. Thank you for your superb reviews.. 300lbs and looking for a comfortable mattress for both my large self and my tiny wife. Please help us with this.....
Hi +JacksBlack -- Thanks for your question. Quite honestly, this is a really hard one to answer with certainty. What I can say for starters is that most mainstream mattresses will have a shorter lifespan for someone in the 300lb+ weight range than they would even for someone in my weight range (200 lbs). I definitely think the WinkBed is a well-made mattress, however I have recently heard one report of it showing some signs of give for someone of your size, which does give me some pause. Net, it may hold up just fine for you, but I just can't say for sure. If you are looking for something that is specifically made to be durable for someone of your size (or heavier), I would think about taking a look at something like the Medicoil HD (Heavy Duty) line here: amzn.to/2tlYZtj The coils in this mattress won't provide as good motion isolation as the pocketed coils in the WinkBed, however they are made with 12.5 gauge wire, which is *extremely* thick and strong as mattress coils go. Likewise, the foams are high-density, durable foams that are specifically made for people in your weight range. You can even get mattresses in this line that are flippable, which increases their longevity (and reduces body impressions) even more. I hope that helps.
GoodBed Note: the best mattress I ever had was a queen I purchased new at cost of $200.00. cheap mattress and after 10 years still flat with no dips and very comfortable.. what are your thoughts on that?
My main thought on that would be that it sounds pretty awesome! That is an extraordinarily low price for a queen-size mattress, even by 2007 standards, and that is definitely not the normal expected outcome for a mattress that one can typically buy at that price point. So you clearly did very well with that! Was this a spring mattress? Typically the weak link in a mattress that causes dips is the foam on top, so some less expensive innerspring mattresses that have only a bare minimum of foam on top will be more resistant to dips than ones with more foam. For some people, especially someone bigger like you, this might feel totally comfortable, but someone like your wife might find that the lack of padding comes at the expense of comfort and pressure relief. Similarly, low-end mattresses often use connected coil units rather than pocketed coil units. Pocketed coils are generally considered better due to their superior motion isolation and conformance, but connected coils are sometimes better able to support the added weight (the Medicoil line I mentioned uses connected coils, for example). So for bigger folks, a basic connected coil unit (if it uses strong enough wire) with minimal padding can be a good option. But keep in mind that it may be difficult on that type of mattress for your wife to get adequate conformance (especially if she's curvy and/or a side sleeper), and if either of you are light sleepers be aware that the motion isolation won't be very good.
Hi. It just depends on the mold that the manufacturer uses to create the foam. Some have different sized pin core holes, some have more, some less -- some all the way through, some not.
Hi Rob -- Sorry I missed this question. No, there are no chemical flame retardants in this mattress. They instead use wool batting in the cover, which provides a natural flame barrier without the use of added chemicals. In case it's important to you, the wool they use comes from sheep raised according to Eco-Wool standards.
Hi David -- Thanks for your question. Overall, the difference between Talalay and Dunlop latex is very small in the scheme of things -- much smaller, for example, than the difference between latex and other types of mattress materials. IMHO, it is not even one of the top distinctions between different latex used in mattresses -- for example, I would easily place the softness level and the degree of natural vs synthetic as much more important factors in distinguishing one piece of latex from another. As such, we rarely find Dunlop vs Talalay to be a significant reason on its own for choosing one mattress over another. From a technical standpoint, Talalay is a more involved (and costly) manufacturing process which uses a vacuum seal to ensure that the latex particles are evenly distributed before the rubber is vulcanized, resulting in a more uniform feel and consistency. This is what gives Talalay a premium reputation in some people's minds. Overall, there are a lot of nuanced differences between Talalay and Dunlop, and while we certainly have opinions about situations where we would think Talalay is a smidge better, there are also some situations where we'd give a small edge to Dunlop. Both Dunlop and Talalay latex are made in multiple densities / softness levels, but the softest formulations of latex are generally only available in Talalay, so if you're looking for a very soft and "cushy" feel, Talalay could be a better match for you. Likewise, because of its more uniform density throughout any given piece of latex, it can be argued that Talalay has the potential to offer a tiny bit better pressure relief. Overall though, if you're looking for a medium or firmer feel, the Talalay vs Dunlop distinction is not significant in this regard. Dunlop on the other hand is sometimes thought to hold up a tiny bit better. Likewise, due to the fact that the Dunlop process allows the heavier particles to sink to the bottom, it has a naturally progressive resistance as you push into it, which is often thought to be slightly better from a support standpoint. This is one reason why some latex mattress makers choose to use Dunlop in the support core and Talalay in the comfort layers. That said, both Talalay and Dunlop are very heavy, supportive, and durable foams. From a natural standpoint, there is very little difference between the two processes. For the most hard-core purists out there, the only difference is that all-natural Talalay latex does require a (very) small amount of chemical additives during the manufacturing process, which prevents this type of latex from being certified as "organic." However, the much bigger thing to watch for in mattress shopping is that many products advertise the use of "natural latex" (without saying "100% natural" or "all-natural"). These products are actually using a blend of natural and synthetic latex -- typically about 30% from rubber tree sap with the remaining 70% coming from synthetic latex. By contrast, with all-natural latex -- whether Dunlop or Talalay (with the exception of the aforementioned manufacturing additives) -- the final product is comprised entirely of natural rubber tree sap. Net, on all of these fronts, the difference is very subtle IMHO, but I hope this was a helpful overview of the distinctions.
I'm having a hard time committing to purchasing from this company because their entire line - from soft to super-firm, is composed entirely from only two densities(medium,firm). Does this experience feel high quality and dynamic or is it more of a flat experience that just so happens to be made of a high quality materials?
Hi Sameer -- Thanks for your question. IMHO I wouldn't get caught up in that at all. Any given mattress has a specific set of characteristics that uniquely defines what your experience on that mattress will be (namely, the ones we outline and demonstrate in each of our reviews). As long as those characteristics are a good match for your unique needs and preferences, you are in great shape. How the mattress achieves those characteristics should really only be a concern insofar as it affects the expected lifespan of the mattress. And in this case, as you pointed out, the materials used in this mattress are high quality materials with proven durability. This is true regardless of how they're arranged in the mattress. I hope that helps.
You stated "If you're looking for a mattress that doesn't contain a lot of chemicals, then this is the mattress for you" so my question is: Then, exactly what chemicals DO your natural organic latex mattresses contain?
Good question C MP! In general, this was me being a bit understated in my phrasing. What I could have said is that based on the information I have about this mattress, it is not known to contain a material amount of any chemicals. That said, I would also reiterate that this mattress does not take the extra step of being certified as organic. If it is important to you to be 100% sure about exactly what's in your mattress, you might want to consider a mattress that is certified. This tends to add ~$500-$1,000 to the cost. Also, one other small point of clarification: this mattress is made and sold by Spindle, not GoodBed. GoodBed.com is an independent mattress marketplace focused on helping consumers to choose the right mattress for their personal needs.
It means that I can't say for sure that there are absolutely no chemicals, because I just don't know. But I can say that as far as I know, there are no chemicals in this mattress that are of any consequence. Does that help?
Yes and no. I really do appreciate your review and your answers, but I see now there's just really no way of knowing for sure what (if any) chemicals are used in the making of this mattress, nor how much of each are present. Oh well. Seems like a great mattress, but I am so very chemically sensitive, that it may not be one for me, as you said above.
Sorry I don't have a more concrete answer! Have you considered contacting the manufacturer directly to get more info though? There is no question that if you are looking for a mattress with the least amount of chemicals, this one is right up there near the top of the list. You can also ask a question that they can answer on GoodBed here: www.goodbed.com/mattresses/spindle-mattress/#questions
Hi +Donna -- Funny enough, I actually answered this same question on the Zenhaven video here: th-cam.com/video/AE-KoApeXik/w-d-xo.html I'm pasting my main response for you here as well (there was a little additional back and forth which you can see in the comments of the Zenhaven video): Both of these are great options. Zenhaven and Spindle have very similar materials and construction, so the biggest differences are in price, return policy, the delivery and set-up experience, softness / comfort options, and company track records. The Spindle is less expensive, but Zenhaven has a better return policy. The Zenhaven also comes delivered all the way to your bedroom (rather than to your doorstep) and comes fully assembled (rather than putting it together yourself). In terms of comfort, both of the Zenhaven softness levels are near the middle of the spectrum, so if you think you want something softer (or extra firm), Spindle has more options on that front. Both companies have very good reputations -- the difference being that Zenhaven has more of a track record as a retailer, and Spindle has more of a track record as a manufacturer. Zenhaven, as part of Saatva, is a very well-established online mattress seller with a stellar customer service reputation. Spindle makes their own mattresses (and its owners have been doing so for decades), but is newer to the model of selling directly to consumers. In terms of the materials themselves, the main difference is that Zenhaven uses Talalay latex while Spindle uses Dunlop latex. This difference is pretty small though in the scheme of things, so we generally consider the other factors mentioned above to be the key differentiators in this case. Hope that helps you hone in on the one that's best for you.
@@goodbed Thanks Mike, that was really helpful!!! Would you basically say the same if I was asking you to compare Spindle to say the Avocado mattress, i.e., the quality of the materials is roughly the same?
@@pacificH2O The Avocado is actually a different construction type than the Spindle and Zenhaven -- it uses "latex over pocketed coils" rather than an "all-latex" construction like the other two. In total, it has 4" of latex (3" on top and 1" on the bottom) vs the 10" of latex in the Spindle and Zenhaven. This is not necessarily better or worse from a "quality of materials" standpoint, but it definitely gives the mattress different features and characteristics. Other distinctions in the construction that come to mind off the top of my head are that the Avocado has a tufted and quilted design (vs. unquilted in the case of Spindle and Zenhaven) and IIRC the Avocado uses GOLS-certified latex. FYI, if you haven't already checked out our full reviews of the Zenhaven and Avocado, you can find those here: * Zenhaven: www.goodbed.com/reviews/zenhaven-mattress-review/ * Avocado: www.goodbed.com/reviews/avocado-green-mattress-review/ I hope that's helpful.
Hi +dreydin -- Thanks for your question. Sure, you can always go the DIY route. Here's a 100% natural Dunlop latex 3" topper on Amazon: amzn.to/2te7RNY I assume your principal motivation would be to save money, but you wouldn't save as much as you might think in this case (I'd estimate maybe 10-20% when all is said and done). And of course, you'd be taking on some extra hassle + risk. First, here is what you'd need to buy to replicate the Spindle: * Three 3" layers of 100% natural Dunlop latex (Oeko-Tex 100, Class I certified) * Natural wool batting (fire barrier) * Organic cotton cover The extra hassle comes in selecting these components independently, choosing the ILD for each layer to make sure the 3 layers work together to give you the desired feel, receiving (and possibly returning) each component separately, etc. In terms of added risk, you'll most likely be dealing with a much shorter trial period, which may even vary by component. And of course, there won't be anyone to warranty the mattress for 10 years, since the manufacturer is technically you. :) Net, if you know what you're doing and exactly what you want and are willing to ditch the safety net and put in some extra effort, you could probably save up to a couple hundred dollars (on a queen size) with a DIY approach. I hope that helps.
Oh yes, absolutely helpful. Great timing, too. I've had some more time to mull this whole DIY vs Spindle idea over and I've come to the same basic conclusions that you're suggesting. I could potentially save ~$1-2/300, but I will lose a larger more comprehensive warranty, overall item cohesiveness, and ease of making adjustments/returns, etc. with differing customer service windows on every individual item in the DIY package. Whereas the Spindle is put together in a very particular way, tested in-depth, and is backed with a fairly good warranty. But what it comes down to more than anything IMO is really overall general ease-of-use and a much lower chance of the whole ordeal becoming a huge time sink in the event of needing to make adjustments. My ideal setup was going to be firm Dunlop, med Dunlop, then med Talalay, but I think I will just commit and pull the trigger on the Spindle. Thanks!
What about shifting between the layers? I went to a big online retailers showroom and every single mattress there had "pyramided" . The layers had shifted. I have a solid foam mattress now I bought 15 years ago and loved it but now I cant seem to find them anymore.
Thanks for your question +Jeanne. I haven't heard the term "pyramiding" before, but I have certainly heard complaints of layers shifting in a mattress. However, it is typically with thinner layers of lighter-weight material. The layers in this particular mattress are each 3 inches thick, and latex is a *very* heavy material. In addition, it's a pretty "grabby" material -- think about rubbing two pieces of rubber together. So the layers don't just slide easily past each other -- they "grab" onto each other. You can *kind of* see this in the video around 15:25 when we were aligning the layers on top of each other -- you have to lift and place each layer because even when you're trying to slide them into position, they don't slide very easily. Lastly, the cover was a pretty snug fit, which you can see around 16:40. So on balance, I would not expect the layers to move around much (or at all) in this mattress. However, it's definitely something we will keep an eye out for in the reviews.
I made up the word because it was the best way to describe all the layered foam mattress in a major online show room I visited. EVERY SINGLE bed had that effect and they were all a mix of talalay and/or Dunlap. The cover is the industry standard. I did verify.. As I posted above we have a solid foam 12 inch mattress currently and have been sleeping great for over 15 years on it. Every buyer should be made aware of this issue. You are going to have to adjust the layers and if you are planning to get an adjustable bed this might be a huge issue. We are going with a 6 inch core and two 3 inch toppers added to try to prevent this. By independent layering is just a cheap way of shipping the mattress. As a test engineer this is a concern and yes latex does tend to grab a slight amount but not enough to prevent slippage over time. So buyer beware..
Thanks again for your comments +Jeanne. You may be right that some shifting of the layers could occur over time, though my instincts are still that this is not likely to be a problem with this particular model. Either way, there is no question that if people experience this issue, it will show up in the reviews, so we will definitely keep a close eye out for any mention of this.
Hi +Russ -- Thanks for the question. First off, as a broad statement, synthetic latex feels very similar to natural latex. The difference in feel between two different pieces of latex is going to be much more a function of things like relative ILD's (a fancy term for how hard or soft it is), densities, and even what process is used to make it (Dunlop vs. Talalay), than it is by whether they are natural vs synthetic. That being said, on the margin, synthetic latex doesn't tend to have quite as much elasticity as natural latex. This can affect its support and pressure relief characteristics, but overall synthetic latex is still quite good on both fronts. You can read more about synthetic vs natural latex here: www.goodbed.com/latex-mattresses/
All Talalay latex (at least in North America) is made by one company -- Talalay Global (fka Latex International). They sell it as a component to many mattress manufacturers.
Interesting. I guess I'm not surprised. There are only so many places on earth that produce latex. To be honest, I'm surprised there are enough trees to create the huge amounts of latex needed for all of the mattresses and other products.
Yes, though keep in mind that *synthetic* latex doesn't involve rubber trees at all -- it's a petroleum-based product. And it is much more common for mattresses to use either synthetic latex or a natural latex "blend" (typically 70% synthetic + 30% natural) than it is to use 100% natural latex (which is what is used by Spindle).
Hi +DrDennis77 -- Thanks for your comment. I can certainly see why one would say that. That said, IMHO, it's worth keeping in mind that when a brand offers free returns, they just bake the cost of that into the price of every mattress. So another way to look at this is that it's really just a personal choice of whether you want lower risk on the chance that you return it, or lower cost in the case that you don't. Hope that helps.
Hello DrDennis77, Spindle no longer requires a restocking fee. In fact we now offer a 365 comfort guarantee which provides our customers with a full refund.
Spindle Mattress I’d like you folks to allow comments on your TH-cam videos. It seems like a transparent way to get feedback. Instead of the potentially sanitized version of reviews left on your site. Open book and nothing to hide discussion would help make my decision much easier.
Hi +Gra -- You're right that this mattress does cost more than average. The average amount spent on a queen-sized mattress for a master bedroom is around $1,000, whereas this mattress costs $1,350 in queen. So this is definitely not a cheap mattress. However, relative to other 100% natural latex mattresses, they are an exceptionally good deal. In a local organic sleep shop, a mattress from another brand that is constructed out of these same materials could easily cost you $3,000 in queen, for example. So if this type of mattress is a good match for your criteria, the price of the Spindle is actually one of its best features. Remember that you can also get a 5% discount from the prices I mentioned above if you use promo code "GOODBED" *and* click here: www.goodbed.com/o/d/1644/spindle-mattress/
Seems like an awesome bed... But, this amount of latex makes me wonder about folks who might develop latex allergies. In general, the greater the exposure, the more likely one is to develop the allergy (if you have the propensity). I would say this is an awful lot of exposure.
+Monkey Grrrl Thanks for the comment! This is a common concern people have about latex mattresses, but in reality is not likely to be a problem for most people. To be clear though, we are not offering medical advice or counseling in any way, and it would certainly be smart for anyone with latex allergy concerns to check with a doctor before purchasing a latex mattress. That said, for *most* people who experience latex allergies, symptoms are triggered by direct contact with latex (eg, rubber gloves, a balloon, etc.). With mattresses, due to their thick cover (plus sheets, a mattress protector, etc.), direct contact with latex does not occur in the ordinary use of the mattress. For this reason alone, many people who suffer from either contact dermatitis or even latex allergies are fine on a latex mattress. In addition, the process for making latex foam used in mattresses differs slightly from the process for making other latex products in that the proteins that trigger latex allergies are washed off during the manufacturing stage. This provides additional protection for anyone that suffers from latex allergies. Hope that helps!
Thanks for the edit to your comment and being open to dialogue. Cheers... Not quite my friend. Those who are severely allergic to latex can have reactions just from being in a room with latex. As you are likely aware, rubber releases gases, some of those proteins (though small amounts) are also released with the said gasses, thus triggering the allergy. So, no, direct contact is not required. I'll grant you the process for making latex foam reduces the amount of proteins remaining. However, it does not eliminate them. Some manufacturers take this into account and take extra steps and take further steps in their manufacturing process to eliminate the remaining proteins and then certify their latex foam as having a specified level which is safe for most (but not all) latex allergy sufferers.
I'm just thinking you might want to check the manufacturer of the latex you are selling. 'Cuz here is a scenario for you... you sell a mattress to someone with a latex allergy telling them they have nothing to worry about. In the middle of the night they have an anaphylactic reaction, their throat swells, blocking their airway... emergency services are not able to arrive in time... and you are liable for telling them they had nothing to worry about. Ok, I know I am being a tad dramatic. However, it is a real possibility. I have witnessed reactions that severe to latex, without direct contact, just say'n.
I don’t understand why these latex mattresses being as heavy as they are, don’t have ‘HANDLES’ for God’s sake!! Why!!!??? I’ll answer it myself....cost to the manufacturer. I used to move furniture and would cuss up a storm when we had to move one of these beasts. Pure physical hell.
Tell us about it! Latex mattresses are not only heavy -- they're floppy. We always call out handles as positives in our reviews, and when present, we test them to make sure they are sturdy. Moving them is definitely a two-person job. Thanks for the comment!
I wish I can get one of those mattress I have a child with me we sleep in the mattress full of mold.we wake up every night coughing I feel sorry for him he's 4 years old we leave in a mobile home I cannot afford the mattress
I work as a waitress full-time can't make it with all those bills I have to pay I can't sleep right now is 1245 a.m. still coughing because of the mold
I felt so horrible reading your comment. It was posted a long time ago but for the sake of your child I hope u were able to get something to replace it. I’m praying for you.
I bought my Spindle almost 2 years ago. It is the best bed ever. I am 60+ with a little arthritis and neck problems, I have tried a lot of various sleeping positions and mattresses and am so happy that I chose this one. No trigger points irritated, no waking from discomfort or arm falling asleep, it feels so wonderful to rest in. Great sleep, fantastic comfort. The best.
Great to hear! So glad you are happy with it -- and it's especially great to hear from someone that's been using it for two years. Thanks for the comment!
I bought this mattress about 6 months ago and I LOVE it! I spend a lot of time on my mattress, sleeping 9-10 hours/night and, not proud of, I sit and watch TV and eat on my mattress. My bedroom is like a second living room for me! I got the medium, queen model and it was perfect but now I wanted it to be a bit more firm so I did the adjusting of the layers, like Spindle says to do on their TH-cam site, to make it more firm by putting the firm layer in the middle instead of on the bottom! VOILA PERFECT! If I wanted to go more firm in the future, I'd just put the firm layer on the top!!! Talk about and easily adjustable bed!!
Another big reason I bought this bed is that my friend used to work with recovering spin surgery patients and they used latex mattresses in the facility!!!
Hi Patsy -- Thanks so much for sharing your very insightful comments here! FYI, your feedback would be even more helpful as a review on GoodBed, where people who are shopping for a mattress and looking for unbiased information will find it more easily. I'm quite sure your experience would be useful to other mattress shoppers. If you're willing, here is a direct link to where you can post your review of the Spindle Medium:
www.goodbed.com/review-mattress/model/spindle-medium/
Do you still love it, just bought one, so am curious...
Hi Patsy, do you still like your mattress? Did you have to pay add'l to adjust the layers? Are you a side sleeper? What level of firmness did you pic? Thanks!!!
Patsy Kegebein hello, I read your review and just purchased this bed today, hopefully it works out. Do you still like yours? Any issues so far? I’m a side sleeper and my current be is too firm.
At 12:38, when you said "you're never going to feel like you're rolling out of a hole" pretty much cemented this mattress in my mind -- thank you!!! I'd been researching latex mattresses for many hours, and liked what I was seeing with the Spindle, but BODY DENT is my biggest concern after having gone through THREE very costly mattresses in the past 8-10 months -- a Tumpur-Pedic firm hybrid, then an Intellibed Signature Matrix Deluxe (which is NOT supposed to develop body dent, but did), then the Intellibed Signature Matrix Supreme. I'm at my wit's end, having wasted all this money on mattresses. And since I bought from a local mattress store, I don't have the same return policy -- won't do that again, will go directly to the company!
I'm 66 y.o., 5'3" & weigh 190, so am not a lightweight. I sleep on a full size bed, & in the very same place every single night. Even though I need pressure relief in my shoulders (bursitis) & hips (arthritis), I'm thinking I'll get the Firm Firm Firm option, thinking that won't dent as much as a softer one.
I'm 51 and with shoulder issues, and I just got an Intellibed Nightfall to replace a too-firm latex mattress I bought (15?) years ago.
It was a pillow top latex mattress, but thought I didn't cut it open (why would I do that?) the only functional thing wrong when I traded it in/got rid of it would be that I had let the outer cover get dirty, and it was way too firm.
What you didn't specify is whether you're always a back-sleeper, stomach-sleeper, side-sleeper, or a combination of those, and my natural tendencies (also with UARS causing issues) is to be a side-sleeper, so the Intellibed Nightfall was what I tested as making sense for minimizing issues with the shoulders: indeed, I don't feel any pressure points, but my shoulders still get the squish internally from my own weight, no fault of the bed in the least, so that's an issue that I largely resolve by sleeping a certain way on my side. Too many decades of being hunched over computers and their keyboards combined with some other brute-force labor got me bent out of shape, and even though I had PT for it in 2016-2017, it's just something to manage.
Should the Intellibed not work out, from my research, I'd certainly go with a softer all-latex mattress with a natural cover to avoid outgassing/allergies/chemicals, not to mention I do like a springy mattress, and found in my testing I really didn't care for the memory foam response being so slow. I'd not expect even a soft latex layer to develop a body indent, based on my obsessive research I've done lately post-purchase.
Definitely one thing about my previous latex mattress, which was a pillow top on both sides and only about 8 inches thick total, compared to my 16" thick Intellibed Nightfall: it was a very heavy mattress, I'm pretty certain heavier than the Nightfall, and certainly harder to handle because it was like fighting with a 60"*80" rubber snake.
Growing up i had a latex foam bed over coils my parents saved it when we moved out and my kids would sleep on it from tome too time they would always say it was the best mattress they had ever sleeped on i have to agree i have never found another bed as comfortable as a latex bed loooove it
Thanks to your wonderful reviews, I decided on this mattress about 3 and a half years ago, and couldn't be happier. This is a fantastic mattress, and is as good as the day I got it. Without online mattress reviews, I would have just taken a shot in the dark, and most definitely would not have even considered a latex mattress. Thank you!
Hi -- and thanks for the comment. So glad you are happy with the Spindle -- it's still a very unique mattress. Would you mind leaving a review for it on GoodBed where other readers will be most likely to see your comments? You'll see the "write a review" link in the middle of the page -- we would really appreciate your sharing your thoughts with other readers!
www.goodbed.com/mattress-model/spindle-medium/
@@goodbed Done!
@@pauluhlig8353 Perfect, thanks again for sharing your feedback!
I just wanted to thank you for all of your reviews. They are very well done and helped us choose our new mattress. We went with the Spindle and we'll be sure to add a review of it on your website once we've slept on it for a while. Thanks for the discount code, too. The mattress and foundation we bought were a great value to begin with, but that 5% off made it an even better value. Again, many thanks!
Thanks for the very detailed reviews on different types of mattresses. I tried to watched other reviews as well but yours, by far, is the most informative. I have and enjoy my latex pillows but did not know about latex bed so I'm so glad to have stumbled on to your channel. You did such a thorough job that I ended up buying one on a whim. Thanks for the discount code too!!
Thanks Glenn! You are very kind. I'm really glad to hear that the reviews (and discount code) were helpful for you. Thanks for letting us know, and I hope you love your new mattress!
This is a very fine, informative , even educational review of the latex type, and beyond. Telling us the weight of the tester, and the exact nature of the bed frame (platform, slats, metal mesh, springs, etc ). would have been in order. All in all though, very helpful--good work. Who knows, I might even figure all this mattress research out and end up with a pretty good one!
I like the fact that they use no chemical fire retardants.
The reason they can "get away with" no fire retardants is because it isn't an assembled mattress - it is materials that you assemble, that's my understanding. If they were to ship the "done" mattress, it would have to have fire retardants. It isn't the wool substituting for retardants. This is per Sleep Essentials channel videos.
Great review!!!! Got me REALLY interested! Ok, so I am female 5'4' and weigh about 133lb and a belly to side sleeper but sometimes wake up on my back lol, I don't like when I lay on my stomach and my back archs cause that hurts. So I understand that I must get a mattress that may be in between soft and firm. Though I really love softness and all, I just can't handle the pressure it gives my body either. So tell me how much would a full size 100% natural Latex mattress cost? Is it like yours here, with three layers? If you're not satisfied with this product, is it returnable with full refund? Also, where did you get the organic cotton and wool cover from? Thank you much!!
Thanks Tita! You can buy the exact mattress shown in this video directly from Spindle (the manufacturer) for $1,149 in a full-size, including free delivery. And, you can save an extra 5% off of that price by using the link and promo code shown in the full description of this video above.
Just like the one we showed, the mattress you get will have 3 layers of all-natural latex, and comes with the same organic cotton and wool cover.
In terms of returns, you have a full year to decide if you like the mattress. During that time, if the comfort level you chose is too hard or soft, you can purchase an additional (replacement) layer of latex that is softer or firmer for $150. Or, you can return the mattress completely for a $299 return fee.
Hope that helps!
@Goodbed - Thank you so much!! This is outstanding service from you guys!
My pleasure Karthi!! I'm very glad we could be helpful to you.
I really enjoy how thorough and evenhanded your reviews are. Any chance you’ll be reviewing any hybrid latex mattresses (i.e. Nest and Brentwood Cedar) in the near future?
Hi Alex -- Thanks for your question, and your kind words. Your question is actually very timely, as we just completed our review of the Nest Latex Hybrid so will be releasing that within the next few weeks. Once it's available, you'll be able to find it on our site here:
www.goodbed.com/mattress-line/nest-bedding-hybrid-latex/
You can also subscribe to our TH-cam channel or follow us on Facebook to be notified when it comes out.
Re: the Brentwood Cedar, we don't have any immediate plans to review that mattress, however we do prioritize our reviews based on input from our readers, so your interest in our review of that mattress will certainly be noted.
Good detailed review. Would like to hear a little more on the comfort/feel of it though (review in general, not this particular mattress) and would definitely like to see your take on a saatva mattress!
+lauderdalechad Thanks for the suggestion! We are considering doing more of these in the future so will factor this feedback into our plans.
This is the best mattress review I've ever seen! Looking forward to seeing more. :)
Thanks zoya!
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I am a 50/50 stomach/side sleeper with some lower back pain. Would medium be a good choice on this spindle mattress?
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. Yes, I think so. In general, a Medium or Medium-Firm softness level is best for that sleep position combination, depending on how susceptible you are to pressure points (more susceptible would swing you more toward Medium) and how much you weigh (heavier would swing you more toward Medium-Firm). I hope that helps.
I bought an IComfort mattress just 6 mos. ago & it is already breaking down. I have been doing some research & would like to buy an 'All Latex' mattress. I am questioning the break-down of this (Spindle) mattress, seeing I am 228lbs. & only 5'7". What would your recommendations be for a side sleeper?
Hi Rita -- Thanks for your question and sorry I missed this earlier. Based on the information you provided, I think you might be slightly better off on a latex hybrid (ie, latex over pocketed coils) than on an all-latex option like the Spindle. I think this would give you a bit more support under your hips. FWIW, the short BMI quiz on the Spindle website will likely provide you with a similar conclusion.
FYI, here are a couple latex hybrids for which we've done in-depth reviews:
* Nest Latex Hybrid: www.goodbed.com/reviews/nest-hybrid-latex-mattress-review/
* Avocado: www.goodbed.com/reviews/avocado-green-mattress-review/
I hope that's helpful.
Which one you like more the Spindle or the Botanical Bliss? Thanks!
Hi Annelle -- Since everyone has different needs and preferences, and every mattress has different characteristics, we don't have general preferences for one mattress over another. But, given a specific person's needs and preferences, we do prefer one mattress vs. another in terms of how good a match it is for that person.
All that said, with these two mattresses, the differences are pretty subtle (and both are great products). Here they are:
* Spindle is less expensive.
* Spindle is Dunlop, PlushBeds is Talalay (Talalay is a more involved process that results in latex with a bit more consistent density).
* Spindle comes in 3 layers, which can be swapped, flipped, and re-ordered if needed or desired to create slightly different feels.
* Spindle requires some assembly.
* Spindle has a longer trial period than PlushBeds but also has a return fee (PlushBeds does not).
* Spindle comes in one thickness (PlushBeds has multiple thickness options, at different prices).
* Both companies have different softness options, but I believe the softest PlushBeds option will be a tiny bit softer than the softest Spindle option. I don't know this for sure though since we have not yet done a formal review of the Botanical Bliss.
I hope that helps!!!
Hi! I just saw this great feedback. Thank you very much for taking the time to get back to me :)
Our pleasure Annelle! Glad it was helpful!
2 questions:
A 6'3" 215lb Side and Back sleeper here
1. Will a a 6" 34ILD core and 2" 20ILD configuration, theoretically be supportive enough for my weight?
2. At 6'3" should I go CA king or regular King?
Hi John -- Thanks for your questions. RE: #1, TBH I haven't spent a lot of time exploring different DIY configurations so I'm afraid I don't really have a well-informed perspective on that.
Re: #2, I would definitely recommend going with a CA King over a King provided it fits well into your bedroom layout. A King is the same length as a Queen, whereas a CA King is 4" longer. At your height, those extra 4" of length would definitely be a noticeable advantage. You would be sacrificing a little width (a CA King is 4" narrower than a standard King), but I think that would be a worthwhile tradeoff in your case.
I hope that's helpful.
I am planning to buy 4 inch mattress which has two 2 inch pieces. Each 2 inch natural latex foam is rated firm. So basically the configuration is firm 2inch over firm 2 inch. I am a lean guy weighing 65 KG. I sleep sideways but supported by stomach.. basically a position between side and stomach. I also have lower back disc issues and get time to time nerve pinching related pain in leg or hand. So wanted to know what do you think whether this mattress will be good?
Too thin for even you….add a few more layers
Very in-depth review, loved it!
Thanks +Indraneel! I'm very glad you found it helpful.
excellent presentation and review.
Thanks +USA4US! Glad you found it helpful.
Where did you find that the cover is certified by the GOTS standard? They claim they are organic, but I can't find their certification on their website.
Hi Mark -- Thanks for your question. All the information we cited about certifications came directly from the company and was accurate as of the time we made this video. I am not aware that the company has made any changes on this front since then, however if you find out that the cover is no longer GOTS certified, please let us know and we will add an update accordingly.
My interest in your name comes from me being born and raised in Iceland ,but I have life most of my adult life in the states . This is a common name in Iceland and I recognised the spelling difference .
Thanks for your help in the mattress choosing and I chose Stearn and Foster , even though I was interested in some of the Latex once .
My pleasure +sputnic, and thanks for letting me know which mattress you ended up choosing. I hope it works out well for you, and that you checked GoodBed before buying to take advantage of any special discounts we may have from local stores who carry Stearns & Foster in your area.
Re: my name, sadly there is no relation between me and your fellow countryman Magnus von Magnusson (the long-reigning strongest man in the world) -- despite the striking resemblance in our physique... ;)
Thanks again for your comments.
Do these actually need three layers of latex? Or is that just a way to get extra money?
Hi Joshua -- Thanks for your question. For most sleepers in a normal or higher weight range, you definitely need at least 8-10" of *something* to create a supportive and pressure-relieving sleep surface. Otherwise you would simply bottom out, which would result in pressure points and make proper spinal alignment impossible for many people.
You could substitute the bottom 6" of latex for another type of support -- eg, springs or foam. This would certainly change the feel and other characteristics, however there are plenty of mattresses made like this (eg, latex hybrids) and they do work well for some people. But of course, this would not eliminate the cost of the bottom 2 layers of latex, since they would still need to be replaced with either foam or springs.
The principal reason that the layers here are shipped separately is to reduce the cost. Latex is a heavy, high-quality material so putting this much latex in a mattress that ships as a single unit would make that package too heavy to ship through normal UPS/FedEx. Alternative shipping methods are much more expensive, and this cost would need be passed on to the consumer. So the reason for shipping it the way they do is actually to reduce the cost to the consumer and make an all-latex mattress accessible at a lower price point.
I hope that's helpful.
What is the process of returning? Do you have to pack it up yourself, and ship it back to the company...or will someone come by, and pick it up for you?
Hi Alan. Thanks for the question. If the company can't get you satisfied with the mattress, you can get a refund. You would need to donate it to charity and show some kind of donation letter or acknowledgement.
You do great reviews. Do you have a review of Sleep EZ latex mattress ? Why not ?
Hi +H Fleming -- Thank you very much for your kind words. Regarding Sleep EZ, we have not yet done a formal review of any of their products. As you can see, our reviews are very in-depth and time-consuming. As such, we can only afford to review the products that are of greatest interest to our users. We prioritize products to review based on inquiries here and through GoodBed.com, so I'll make sure that your interest in Sleep EZ is noted accordingly. Thanks again for your comment.
Thanks for your reply and thanks for your consideration of a Sleep EZ review. I hope you're able to do one in the not so distant future.
GoodBed I'm interested in Sleep EZ. I would really like to see a review. If you can put it on your list that would be wonderful.
Hi Linda -- Thanks for adding your vote to this request as well.
I'm adding this bed to my search of beds and the Zenhaven , which is more expensive . What is your favorite Latex ? There is a new one called Roma from EZ and only $750 for queen Where is your name Magnusson from ??
Thanks
Hi +sputnic -- Thanks for your question. I don't really have "favorites" because I fundamentally believe that no mattress is good for everyone and (almost) all mattresses are good for someone. So, for any given person, I could definitely feel that one latex mattress would be a better match than another. But I wouldn't say that mattress is better in general or my favorite because for another person, a different latex mattress might be a better match.
With regards to the Roma mattress you mentioned, I'm afraid I haven't tested that mattress, and haven't heard much about it either.
Thanks for your interest in my name as well. It's a Swedish name and actually in Sweden it is spelled with a double "s" the way you wrote it. But in the U.S., my family spells it with just one "s".
plz tell me where I can find a 3 inch talalay latex topper that is sot, bought a new latex mattress that was suppose to be plush, but only plush if you think putting a sheet across my dinning room table is plush, the folks I got this from off of Overstock, should really look at the products they are selling. The mattress is cool and I love that, but it has no wool, wish it did but I can buy a wool topper also. It is slow to respond, and I keep my bedroom very cool, BUT please tell me where to go to find a great topper that is soft, thanks
Hi Brenda -- Thanks for your question, and I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with the Overstock mattress. I'm not aware of Spindle offering a topper product, but there is a company called PlushBeds that offers a variety of toppers, including softer ones made from either wool or Talalay latex:
www.goodbed.com/o/m/plushbeds/
I hope that helps.
Mike, when they say it’s 100% Natural latex, how does it compare to Organic latex?
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. Organic latex is made entirely from the sap of organic rubber trees -- meaning that they were grown on a rubber tree farm that has been certified as organic (typically this requires that no pesticides are used in addition to other sustainability practices). 100% natural latex is made entirely from the sap of rubber trees, but ones that have not been certified as organic. So both of these are equally natural, but the latter is not certified as organic.
By contrast, latex can also be made from petroleum, without the use of any rubber tree sap, which is known as synthetic latex. If a mattress contains latex that is simply called "latex" or even "natural latex" (rather than "100% natural" or "all natural"), it typically contains synthetic latex.
You might want to check out this article, which provides some additional details on this: www.goodbed.com/latex-mattresses/natural-vs-synthetic/
I hope that's helpful.
GoodBed Your help is greatly appreciated Michael. I’m leaning towards a latex mattress and I’m just trying to get as much clarity around the process as I can. I’m leaning towards a Spindle mattress and my thinking is that the cooking process of Natural latex might take care of any pesticides used on rubber trees with Dunlop. Thank you very much for your guidance.
Excellent presentation!
Thank you Michelle!
Very good review! Thanks
My pleasure! Thanks for taking the time to let us know that it was helpful for you!
@GoodBed - How would you compare Spindle mattress to Zenhaven? I'm looking for my kids.
Hi Karthi -- Thanks for your question, and sorry for taking a couple days to reply. This same question was actually asked in one of our other comments, so I thought I would just paste my main response for you below. I don't know that I'd add much specific to it with regards to kids, since I think either of these mattresses could make an equally good choice for a kid. I hope this breakdown is helpful for you.
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Both of these are great options. Zenhaven and Spindle have very similar materials and construction, so the biggest differences are in price, return policy, the delivery and set-up experience, softness / comfort options, and company track records.
The Spindle is less expensive, but Zenhaven has a better return policy. The Zenhaven also comes delivered all the way to your bedroom (rather than to your doorstep) and comes fully assembled (rather than putting it together yourself).
In terms of comfort, both of the Zenhaven softness levels are near the middle of the spectrum, so if you think you want something softer (or extra firm), Spindle has more options on that front.
Both companies have very good reputations -- the difference being that Zenhaven has more of a track record as a retailer, and Spindle has more of a track record as a manufacturer. Zenhaven, as part of Saatva, is a very well-established online mattress seller with a stellar customer service reputation. Spindle makes their own mattresses (and its owners have been doing so for decades), but is newer to the model of selling directly to consumers.
In terms of the materials themselves, the main difference is that Zenhaven uses Talalay latex while Spindle uses Dunlop latex. This difference is pretty small though in the scheme of things, so we generally consider the other factors mentioned above to be the key differentiators in this case.
Hope that helps you hone in on the one that's best for you.
Very informative video. Thank you very much!
Very glad you found it helpful Sonali! Thanks for sharing your feedback!
I can’t get the discount code to work on 2 twin xls? Help 🙏🏻
Hi Susie! Thanks for your note. This is very strange as I just tried the discount and it seems to work fine. See screenshot here: d.pr/i/31JMFo
Perhaps you spelled it differently?
This is very informative and helpful! My boyfriend and I did a lot of research and are buying our topper today. Just trying to decide between a soft or a super soft. We have a firm tempurpedic mattress that hurts our backs and hits those pressure points when side sleeping. Would you say that there is a big difference between soft or super soft. Looking for some added plushness but still need support. Can you make a suggestion between those two?
Hi there -- Thanks for your question (and kind words!). I think that if you have a firm Tempur-Pedic, either the Soft or Super Soft will have a lot more surface softness than what you're used to now. In light of that, to make your transition a bit easier, my inclination would be to go with the option that is closer to what you have now. Also, if it ends up being too firm, it is always easier to make a firm mattress a bit softer than the other way around.
I hope that's helpful.
Just curious to see which mattress u ended up getting if u don’t mind me asking. I bought a tempur pedic and even though it was the softest (after according to the guy who sold it, it would take about 3-4 weeks to break it in, which 6 months later I’m struggling to sleep in the bed. I have terrible hip pain and back pain. I have been going to bed just to move to the couch in the middle of the night.
I have to go to the chiro and the horrendous guy (who sold me the mattress) told me after 3weeks that I couldn’t return it I am really suffering a lot and I’m In miserable pain. So I don’t want to make another costly mistake.
Did u buy a soft or medium and do u have any complaints?thanks so much
I've watched a gazillion mattress reviews, and not ONE of them has featured a person laying on the mattress using a PILLOW. When it comes to demonstrating support and pressure relief, it would seem that having the body in the right position would be important. And this can only be done if One's head & neck are being supported properly.
Hi Alan -- Thanks for your comment. This is an astute observation and a very fair criticism. It has actually been a topic of some debate in our own ranks over the years whether we should use a pillow in our reviews.
On the one hand, as you pointed out, using a pillow has important benefits in bringing the neck and upper spine into alignment. It is also more reflective of how someone would use the mattress in real life.
On the other hand, the optimal pillow for me to use on any given mattress would vary from the right pillow for someone else to use. This is because the job of a pillow is to fill the gap between the head and the bed, and the size of this gap will vary based on factors like how far you sink in to the mattress (ie, your weight), what position(s) you tend to sleep in , how broad your shoulders are (if you're a side sleeper), etc. By this same logic, the choice of pillow could vary just for me depending on whether I was going to be demonstrating the mattress in a side, back, or stomach sleeping position. Confounding matters further, the pillow(s) that I would choose for use with this mattress would likely be different from the one(s) I would choose to use with another mattress, since I may sink in more or less on that other mattress, making the gap between my head and the bed smaller or bigger accordingly.
As you can start to see, all of this introduces a great deal of inconsistency. Since one of the benefits of our reviews is allowing us to compare mattresses apples to apples -- and to allow viewers to clearly see how the same person looks on each different mattress -- this inconsistency is not ideal. As such, we have decided (so far) that the drawbacks of introducing pillows to our reviews outweigh the positives. And that is why we do not use pillows in our reviews.
I hope that's helpful.
Alan got destroyed in this comment thread. A pillow, you say? Here are 10 paragraphs explaining why adding a pillow is a terrible idea.
Have you reviewed Sleep Essential latex mattresses?
Hi Cera -- Thanks for your question. No we have not reviewed that mattress yet -- however we do prioritize our reviews based on input from our readers, so your interest in our review of that mattress will certainly be noted. That said, FWIW we get lots of inquiries about different mattresses and I believe you're the first person to inquire about that particular mattress. So for the time being, I'm afraid it will be near the bottom of our list.
Do you find organic latex mattresses to be hot? Is there a mattress you like for a 350 pound man that won't break down and dip in 5 years?
Do you have a suggestion for a mattress that is fully certified organic? I think it would be hard to find one.
Hi +Kaozong -- Thanks for your question. The best examples of mattresses that are fully certified organic come from these two brands:
* Naturepedic: www.goodbed.com/o/m/naturepedic/
* OMI: www.goodbed.com/o/m/omi-organic-mattresses/
You are right that such mattresses can be a bit hard to find in local stores, depending on where you live, and of course they are more expensive than the Spindle. Naturepedic is sold online though and delivers nationally.
I hope that helps.
GoodBed
Thanks for your response. That helps narrow things down for me.
Great, I'm glad we could be of help.
Kaozong Scott Did you end up getting an Organic Latex Mattress?
You mention the WinkBed.. Over time, will the WinkBed ever develop a sag for the Big fellas? I have a 2 year old Sealy that has a sag on both sides and I rotate often. Thank you for your superb reviews.. 300lbs and looking for a comfortable mattress for both my large self and my tiny wife. Please help us with this.....
Hi +JacksBlack -- Thanks for your question. Quite honestly, this is a really hard one to answer with certainty. What I can say for starters is that most mainstream mattresses will have a shorter lifespan for someone in the 300lb+ weight range than they would even for someone in my weight range (200 lbs).
I definitely think the WinkBed is a well-made mattress, however I have recently heard one report of it showing some signs of give for someone of your size, which does give me some pause. Net, it may hold up just fine for you, but I just can't say for sure.
If you are looking for something that is specifically made to be durable for someone of your size (or heavier), I would think about taking a look at something like the Medicoil HD (Heavy Duty) line here: amzn.to/2tlYZtj
The coils in this mattress won't provide as good motion isolation as the pocketed coils in the WinkBed, however they are made with 12.5 gauge wire, which is *extremely* thick and strong as mattress coils go. Likewise, the foams are high-density, durable foams that are specifically made for people in your weight range. You can even get mattresses in this line that are flippable, which increases their longevity (and reduces body impressions) even more.
I hope that helps.
GoodBed Note: the best mattress I ever had was a queen I purchased new at cost of $200.00. cheap mattress and after 10 years still flat with no dips and very comfortable.. what are your thoughts on that?
My main thought on that would be that it sounds pretty awesome! That is an extraordinarily low price for a queen-size mattress, even by 2007 standards, and that is definitely not the normal expected outcome for a mattress that one can typically buy at that price point. So you clearly did very well with that!
Was this a spring mattress? Typically the weak link in a mattress that causes dips is the foam on top, so some less expensive innerspring mattresses that have only a bare minimum of foam on top will be more resistant to dips than ones with more foam. For some people, especially someone bigger like you, this might feel totally comfortable, but someone like your wife might find that the lack of padding comes at the expense of comfort and pressure relief.
Similarly, low-end mattresses often use connected coil units rather than pocketed coil units. Pocketed coils are generally considered better due to their superior motion isolation and conformance, but connected coils are sometimes better able to support the added weight (the Medicoil line I mentioned uses connected coils, for example). So for bigger folks, a basic connected coil unit (if it uses strong enough wire) with minimal padding can be a good option. But keep in mind that it may be difficult on that type of mattress for your wife to get adequate conformance (especially if she's curvy and/or a side sleeper), and if either of you are light sleepers be aware that the motion isolation won't be very good.
Excellent Review.
+Muraleetharan Gs Thanks! Glad you found it helpful.
Why are the Holes only on one side?
Hi. It just depends on the mold that the manufacturer uses to create the foam. Some have different sized pin core holes, some have more, some less -- some all the way through, some not.
is it impregnated with flame retardants? I know the other place has a chemical free mattress.. Thanks
Hi Rob -- Sorry I missed this question. No, there are no chemical flame retardants in this mattress. They instead use wool batting in the cover, which provides a natural flame barrier without the use of added chemicals. In case it's important to you, the wool they use comes from sheep raised according to Eco-Wool standards.
Good God. Tallalay or Dunlop latex?
Hi David -- Thanks for your question. Overall, the difference between Talalay and Dunlop latex is very small in the scheme of things -- much smaller, for example, than the difference between latex and other types of mattress materials. IMHO, it is not even one of the top distinctions between different latex used in mattresses -- for example, I would easily place the softness level and the degree of natural vs synthetic as much more important factors in distinguishing one piece of latex from another. As such, we rarely find Dunlop vs Talalay to be a significant reason on its own for choosing one mattress over another.
From a technical standpoint, Talalay is a more involved (and costly) manufacturing process which uses a vacuum seal to ensure that the latex particles are evenly distributed before the rubber is vulcanized, resulting in a more uniform feel and consistency. This is what gives Talalay a premium reputation in some people's minds. Overall, there are a lot of nuanced differences between Talalay and Dunlop, and while we certainly have opinions about situations where we would think Talalay is a smidge better, there are also some situations where we'd give a small edge to Dunlop.
Both Dunlop and Talalay latex are made in multiple densities / softness levels, but the softest formulations of latex are generally only available in Talalay, so if you're looking for a very soft and "cushy" feel, Talalay could be a better match for you. Likewise, because of its more uniform density throughout any given piece of latex, it can be argued that Talalay has the potential to offer a tiny bit better pressure relief. Overall though, if you're looking for a medium or firmer feel, the Talalay vs Dunlop distinction is not significant in this regard.
Dunlop on the other hand is sometimes thought to hold up a tiny bit better. Likewise, due to the fact that the Dunlop process allows the heavier particles to sink to the bottom, it has a naturally progressive resistance as you push into it, which is often thought to be slightly better from a support standpoint. This is one reason why some latex mattress makers choose to use Dunlop in the support core and Talalay in the comfort layers. That said, both Talalay and Dunlop are very heavy, supportive, and durable foams.
From a natural standpoint, there is very little difference between the two processes. For the most hard-core purists out there, the only difference is that all-natural Talalay latex does require a (very) small amount of chemical additives during the manufacturing process, which prevents this type of latex from being certified as "organic." However, the much bigger thing to watch for in mattress shopping is that many products advertise the use of "natural latex" (without saying "100% natural" or "all-natural"). These products are actually using a blend of natural and synthetic latex -- typically about 30% from rubber tree sap with the remaining 70% coming from synthetic latex. By contrast, with all-natural latex -- whether Dunlop or Talalay (with the exception of the aforementioned manufacturing additives) -- the final product is comprised entirely of natural rubber tree sap.
Net, on all of these fronts, the difference is very subtle IMHO, but I hope this was a helpful overview of the distinctions.
That was an awesome explanation. The best I've ever heard! Thank you very much!
Great, I'm very glad that was helpful for you David. Thanks for your kind words!
@@goodbed So is it dunlop or tallalay?
@@cathyg1099 Spindle mattresses use Dunlop latex.
I'm having a hard time committing to purchasing from this company because their entire line - from soft to super-firm, is composed entirely from only two densities(medium,firm). Does this experience feel high quality and dynamic or is it more of a flat experience that just so happens to be made of a high quality materials?
Hi Sameer -- Thanks for your question. IMHO I wouldn't get caught up in that at all. Any given mattress has a specific set of characteristics that uniquely defines what your experience on that mattress will be (namely, the ones we outline and demonstrate in each of our reviews). As long as those characteristics are a good match for your unique needs and preferences, you are in great shape.
How the mattress achieves those characteristics should really only be a concern insofar as it affects the expected lifespan of the mattress. And in this case, as you pointed out, the materials used in this mattress are high quality materials with proven durability. This is true regardless of how they're arranged in the mattress.
I hope that helps.
cheers for the response!
My pleasure Sameer. 😊
You stated "If you're looking for a mattress that doesn't contain a lot of chemicals, then this is the mattress for you" so my question is: Then, exactly what chemicals DO your natural organic latex mattresses contain?
Good question C MP! In general, this was me being a bit understated in my phrasing. What I could have said is that based on the information I have about this mattress, it is not known to contain a material amount of any chemicals.
That said, I would also reiterate that this mattress does not take the extra step of being certified as organic. If it is important to you to be 100% sure about exactly what's in your mattress, you might want to consider a mattress that is certified. This tends to add ~$500-$1,000 to the cost.
Also, one other small point of clarification: this mattress is made and sold by Spindle, not GoodBed. GoodBed.com is an independent mattress marketplace focused on helping consumers to choose the right mattress for their personal needs.
Thank you for your quick response, Michael, but now, what does "a material amount of any chemicals" mean?
It means that I can't say for sure that there are absolutely no chemicals, because I just don't know. But I can say that as far as I know, there are no chemicals in this mattress that are of any consequence. Does that help?
Yes and no. I really do appreciate your review and your answers, but I see now there's just really no way of knowing for sure what (if any) chemicals are used in the making of this mattress, nor how much of each are present. Oh well. Seems like a great mattress, but I am so very chemically sensitive, that it may not be one for me, as you said above.
Sorry I don't have a more concrete answer! Have you considered contacting the manufacturer directly to get more info though? There is no question that if you are looking for a mattress with the least amount of chemicals, this one is right up there near the top of the list. You can also ask a question that they can answer on GoodBed here: www.goodbed.com/mattresses/spindle-mattress/#questions
Spindle vs zen haven which would you choose
Hi +Donna -- Funny enough, I actually answered this same question on the Zenhaven video here: th-cam.com/video/AE-KoApeXik/w-d-xo.html
I'm pasting my main response for you here as well (there was a little additional back and forth which you can see in the comments of the Zenhaven video):
Both of these are great options. Zenhaven and Spindle have very similar materials and construction, so the biggest differences are in price, return policy, the delivery and set-up experience, softness / comfort options, and company track records.
The Spindle is less expensive, but Zenhaven has a better return policy. The Zenhaven also comes delivered all the way to your bedroom (rather than to your doorstep) and comes fully assembled (rather than putting it together yourself).
In terms of comfort, both of the Zenhaven softness levels are near the middle of the spectrum, so if you think you want something softer (or extra firm), Spindle has more options on that front.
Both companies have very good reputations -- the difference being that Zenhaven has more of a track record as a retailer, and Spindle has more of a track record as a manufacturer. Zenhaven, as part of Saatva, is a very well-established online mattress seller with a stellar customer service reputation. Spindle makes their own mattresses (and its owners have been doing so for decades), but is newer to the model of selling directly to consumers.
In terms of the materials themselves, the main difference is that Zenhaven uses Talalay latex while Spindle uses Dunlop latex. This difference is pretty small though in the scheme of things, so we generally consider the other factors mentioned above to be the key differentiators in this case.
Hope that helps you hone in on the one that's best for you.
@@goodbed Thanks Mike, that was really helpful!!! Would you basically say the same if I was asking you to compare Spindle to say the Avocado mattress, i.e., the quality of the materials is roughly the same?
@@pacificH2O The Avocado is actually a different construction type than the Spindle and Zenhaven -- it uses "latex over pocketed coils" rather than an "all-latex" construction like the other two. In total, it has 4" of latex (3" on top and 1" on the bottom) vs the 10" of latex in the Spindle and Zenhaven. This is not necessarily better or worse from a "quality of materials" standpoint, but it definitely gives the mattress different features and characteristics. Other distinctions in the construction that come to mind off the top of my head are that the Avocado has a tufted and quilted design (vs. unquilted in the case of Spindle and Zenhaven) and IIRC the Avocado uses GOLS-certified latex. FYI, if you haven't already checked out our full reviews of the Zenhaven and Avocado, you can find those here:
* Zenhaven: www.goodbed.com/reviews/zenhaven-mattress-review/
* Avocado: www.goodbed.com/reviews/avocado-green-mattress-review/
I hope that's helpful.
Serious question... why wouldn't I just buy 3 layers of 3" latex (Dunlop vs Talalay) and zip them into a cover?
Hi +dreydin -- Thanks for your question. Sure, you can always go the DIY route. Here's a 100% natural Dunlop latex 3" topper on Amazon: amzn.to/2te7RNY
I assume your principal motivation would be to save money, but you wouldn't save as much as you might think in this case (I'd estimate maybe 10-20% when all is said and done). And of course, you'd be taking on some extra hassle + risk.
First, here is what you'd need to buy to replicate the Spindle:
* Three 3" layers of 100% natural Dunlop latex (Oeko-Tex 100, Class I certified)
* Natural wool batting (fire barrier)
* Organic cotton cover
The extra hassle comes in selecting these components independently, choosing the ILD for each layer to make sure the 3 layers work together to give you the desired feel, receiving (and possibly returning) each component separately, etc.
In terms of added risk, you'll most likely be dealing with a much shorter trial period, which may even vary by component. And of course, there won't be anyone to warranty the mattress for 10 years, since the manufacturer is technically you. :)
Net, if you know what you're doing and exactly what you want and are willing to ditch the safety net and put in some extra effort, you could probably save up to a couple hundred dollars (on a queen size) with a DIY approach. I hope that helps.
Oh yes, absolutely helpful. Great timing, too.
I've had some more time to mull this whole DIY vs Spindle idea over and I've come to the same basic conclusions that you're suggesting. I could potentially save ~$1-2/300, but I will lose a larger more comprehensive warranty, overall item cohesiveness, and ease of making adjustments/returns, etc. with differing customer service windows on every individual item in the DIY package. Whereas the Spindle is put together in a very particular way, tested in-depth, and is backed with a fairly good warranty. But what it comes down to more than anything IMO is really overall general ease-of-use and a much lower chance of the whole ordeal becoming a huge time sink in the event of needing to make adjustments.
My ideal setup was going to be firm Dunlop, med Dunlop, then med Talalay, but I think I will just commit and pull the trigger on the Spindle.
Thanks!
Great, thanks for letting us know your plans +dreydin. Your assessment seems sound to me, and I'm glad we could be helpful.
Thank you for your time from Alberta.
My pleasure Roger! Thanks for leaving a comment here -- I hope you found this review helpful in your research. Stay warm up there! 😊
What about shifting between the layers? I went to a big online retailers showroom and every single mattress there had "pyramided" . The layers had shifted.
I have a solid foam mattress now I bought 15 years ago and loved it but now I cant seem to find them anymore.
Thanks for your question +Jeanne. I haven't heard the term "pyramiding" before, but I have certainly heard complaints of layers shifting in a mattress. However, it is typically with thinner layers of lighter-weight material.
The layers in this particular mattress are each 3 inches thick, and latex is a *very* heavy material. In addition, it's a pretty "grabby" material -- think about rubbing two pieces of rubber together. So the layers don't just slide easily past each other -- they "grab" onto each other. You can *kind of* see this in the video around 15:25 when we were aligning the layers on top of each other -- you have to lift and place each layer because even when you're trying to slide them into position, they don't slide very easily. Lastly, the cover was a pretty snug fit, which you can see around 16:40.
So on balance, I would not expect the layers to move around much (or at all) in this mattress. However, it's definitely something we will keep an eye out for in the reviews.
I made up the word because it was the best way to describe all the layered foam mattress in a major online show room I visited.
EVERY SINGLE bed had that effect and they were all a mix of talalay and/or Dunlap. The cover is the industry standard. I did verify..
As I posted above we have a solid foam 12 inch mattress currently and have been sleeping great for over 15 years on it.
Every buyer should be made aware of this issue. You are going to have to adjust the layers and if you are planning to get an adjustable bed this might be a huge issue.
We are going with a 6 inch core and two 3 inch toppers added to try to prevent this.
By independent layering is just a cheap way of shipping the mattress.
As a test engineer this is a concern and yes latex does tend to grab a slight amount but not enough to prevent slippage over time.
So buyer beware..
Thanks again for your comments +Jeanne. You may be right that some shifting of the layers could occur over time, though my instincts are still that this is not likely to be a problem with this particular model. Either way, there is no question that if people experience this issue, it will show up in the reviews, so we will definitely keep a close eye out for any mention of this.
Does a synthetic latex mattress feel the same as natural latex?
Hi +Russ -- Thanks for the question.
First off, as a broad statement, synthetic latex feels very similar to natural latex. The difference in feel between two different pieces of latex is going to be much more a function of things like relative ILD's (a fancy term for how hard or soft it is), densities, and even what process is used to make it (Dunlop vs. Talalay), than it is by whether they are natural vs synthetic.
That being said, on the margin, synthetic latex doesn't tend to have quite as much elasticity as natural latex. This can affect its support and pressure relief characteristics, but overall synthetic latex is still quite good on both fronts.
You can read more about synthetic vs natural latex here: www.goodbed.com/latex-mattresses/
Thanks for the info. Who makes the best synthetic, talalay latex?
All Talalay latex (at least in North America) is made by one company -- Talalay Global (fka Latex International). They sell it as a component to many mattress manufacturers.
Interesting. I guess I'm not surprised. There are only so many places on earth that produce latex. To be honest, I'm surprised there are enough trees to create the huge amounts of latex needed for all of the mattresses and other products.
Yes, though keep in mind that *synthetic* latex doesn't involve rubber trees at all -- it's a petroleum-based product.
And it is much more common for mattresses to use either synthetic latex or a natural latex "blend" (typically 70% synthetic + 30% natural) than it is to use 100% natural latex (which is what is used by Spindle).
$300 restocking fee or whatever you call it, not good.
Hi +DrDennis77 -- Thanks for your comment. I can certainly see why one would say that. That said, IMHO, it's worth keeping in mind that when a brand offers free returns, they just bake the cost of that into the price of every mattress. So another way to look at this is that it's really just a personal choice of whether you want lower risk on the chance that you return it, or lower cost in the case that you don't. Hope that helps.
Hello DrDennis77,
Spindle no longer requires a restocking fee. In fact we now offer a 365 comfort guarantee which provides our customers with a full refund.
Spindle Mattress I’d like you folks to allow comments on your TH-cam videos. It seems like a transparent way to get feedback. Instead of the potentially sanitized version of reviews left on your site.
Open book and nothing to hide discussion would help make my decision much easier.
This must cost a fortune!
Hi +Gra -- You're right that this mattress does cost more than average. The average amount spent on a queen-sized mattress for a master bedroom is around $1,000, whereas this mattress costs $1,350 in queen. So this is definitely not a cheap mattress.
However, relative to other 100% natural latex mattresses, they are an exceptionally good deal. In a local organic sleep shop, a mattress from another brand that is constructed out of these same materials could easily cost you $3,000 in queen, for example. So if this type of mattress is a good match for your criteria, the price of the Spindle is actually one of its best features.
Remember that you can also get a 5% discount from the prices I mentioned above if you use promo code "GOODBED" *and* click here:
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Seems like an awesome bed... But, this amount of latex makes me wonder about folks who might develop latex allergies. In general, the greater the exposure, the more likely one is to develop the allergy (if you have the propensity). I would say this is an awful lot of exposure.
+Monkey Grrrl Thanks for the comment! This is a common concern people have about latex mattresses, but in reality is not likely to be a problem for most people. To be clear though, we are not offering medical advice or counseling in any way, and it would certainly be smart for anyone with latex allergy concerns to check with a doctor before purchasing a latex mattress.
That said, for *most* people who experience latex allergies, symptoms are triggered by direct contact with latex (eg, rubber gloves, a balloon, etc.). With mattresses, due to their thick cover (plus sheets, a mattress protector, etc.), direct contact with latex does not occur in the ordinary use of the mattress. For this reason alone, many people who suffer from either contact dermatitis or even latex allergies are fine on a latex mattress.
In addition, the process for making latex foam used in mattresses differs slightly from the process for making other latex products in that the proteins that trigger latex allergies are washed off during the manufacturing stage. This provides additional protection for anyone that suffers from latex allergies.
Hope that helps!
Thanks for the edit to your comment and being open to dialogue. Cheers...
Not quite my friend. Those who are severely allergic to latex can have reactions just from being in a room with latex. As you are likely aware, rubber releases gases, some of those proteins (though small amounts) are also released with the said gasses, thus triggering the allergy. So, no, direct contact is not required. I'll grant you the process for making latex foam reduces the amount of proteins remaining. However, it does not eliminate them. Some manufacturers take this into account and take extra steps and take further steps in their manufacturing process to eliminate the remaining proteins and then certify their latex foam as having a specified level which is safe for most (but not all) latex allergy sufferers.
I'm just thinking you might want to check the manufacturer of the latex you are selling. 'Cuz here is a scenario for you... you sell a mattress to someone with a latex allergy telling them they have nothing to worry about. In the middle of the night they have an anaphylactic reaction, their throat swells, blocking their airway... emergency services are not able to arrive in time... and you are liable for telling them they had nothing to worry about. Ok, I know I am being a tad dramatic. However, it is a real possibility. I have witnessed reactions that severe to latex, without direct contact, just say'n.
I don’t understand why these latex mattresses being as heavy as they are, don’t have ‘HANDLES’ for God’s sake!! Why!!!??? I’ll answer it myself....cost to the manufacturer. I used to move furniture and would cuss up a storm when we had to move one of these beasts. Pure physical hell.
Tell us about it! Latex mattresses are not only heavy -- they're floppy. We always call out handles as positives in our reviews, and when present, we test them to make sure they are sturdy. Moving them is definitely a two-person job.
Thanks for the comment!
@@goodbed thank you for responding. Your reviews are the absolute best on all of You Tube! Very concise and a very relaxing tone.
Thanks again!
Maybe handles would rip due to weight?
I wish I can get one of those mattress I have a child with me we sleep in the mattress full of mold.we wake up every night coughing I feel sorry for him he's 4 years old we leave in a mobile home I cannot afford the mattress
I work as a waitress full-time can't make it with all those bills I have to pay I can't sleep right now is 1245 a.m. still coughing because of the mold
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I felt so horrible reading your comment. It was posted a long time ago but for the sake of your child I hope u were able to get something to replace it. I’m praying for you.