There is no stopping you when you sent your mind to something! I would have thought the body of the craft would have to spin in the opposite direction of the fan from the torque. That blows my mind!
Well it does, but is counteracted by directed airflow with an axial component. You can see the craft yerk around the axis when the torque changes due to changed RPM of the fan.
Thanks! There are static vanes in the duct that straighten the airflow out, so there's no torque produced due to the airflow or fan spinning. The inertia of the fan does cause torque when spooling up or down, which the thrust vectoring vanes compensate for quite well as long as there's power applied. At low throttle, it can spin around quite a lot, but if you punch it above about half throttle, it stays in position quite well.
I love how a proper tech company spent a few years with a full team, developing an unicopter, then this guy comes along and does it in has garage in a few months by himself😂
Diesel Ramcharger Care to give the link. It would be cool to know. Regardless, the effort that he put into getting his pet controllable and understanding the control such as gyroscopic issues is pretty damn good. I really liked the wooden contraception that he built to help decipher the control issues.
Regardless this man shared all plans and code for the sole purpose of improvement. yes he used the Vector control of like i2d but used it in a different system.. Most excellent work. who knows where i2d got his idea from but Whatever .
jonathan... that is a great idea. three of these fine tuned to blow leaves into all other neighbors yards. million dollar idea cause they will need to buy a set as well. and the chain reaction ensues. tesla500 you getting this?
I'm not kidding. I just took the brushless motor out of my Dewalt drill, it kinda looks just like it😂 Damn thing sounds like a brushless motor you took out of a Dyson vacuum😂
I’ve been subbed to this channel since...well, I’m going to estimate 8 years or so. Many things have changed in that time, and although the channel is no longer highly active, it is most certainly worth the wait when a new video appears! You’ve always come over as an incredibly smart chap David, a lot of the technical stuff is way above my head, and I’m glad to see your ideas are bearing fruit. Well done sir. (Edited due to fat fingers)
I agree. He is quite good with what he does. I have studied aircraft dynamics and control and his understanding of the mechanism for gyroscopic effects and how to compensate for it is remarkable.
Seriously impressed, especially as you modified the firmware to solve a fairly hard problem that normal rockets don't have to deal with. Adding a fuel tank, combustion chamber and nozzle should be fairly trivial in comparison!
@@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV Yes, that's obvious, which is why I said "Adding a fuel tank, combustion chamber and nozzle". The achievement is the control algorithm - the actual type of engine is secondary as long as it can respond appropriately to the inputs.
I am at 5:00 and I can't stop saying "oh my God oh my God" what I am so impressed with is that you're sharing all this and that makes you one of the most special people in history....your lack of greed is Angelic 👼
have you built any RC things in your entire lifetime? Its not hard to figure that out by just looking at it. The real amazing thing here is how he coded the thrust vectoring part and still have it be incredibly stable
@@honkhonk8009 buddy I can't even use toilet paper......I was run over by a certain type of vehicle with flashing lights when I was a kid.....you can call it an accident but it was deemed intentional and the son of a bitch pig is doing life times three.....I spent my own money to make sure he does not get the death penalty......the fun part is that I receive daily video and images from the warden, prison officials, and informants on the inside who actually have high speed access inside the prison......so to answer you question, it's kinda hard to assemble when you're a quadriplegic.....but I rejoice in the daily videos of the pig getting abused over and over for what he did to me.....so there is that......I was awarded a very large settlement and I mean large.....it is being used for good things.....I've decided to "hire" some college or high school kids to come over and we can "build rc" while learning ..then we will donate the items....good times ahead.
I have only dreamed of building such a thrust vectored flying machine. You have demonstrated incredible control. Congratulations. My 'technology-off-the-shelf' hat is off to you.
That is the dumbest comment on here. Put wings on it. Omg yeah maybe then it will fly. Real forward thinking there. Or maybe we could hire a helicopter pilot to fly it cause he is smarter.
@@tesla500 what about the motor though? I never take off from anything with sand or gravel as it can get into the motor from the top and eventually cause problems with how it runs. Possibly even cause it to fail.
this is one of the most innovative videos I 've watched. I just loved it. I have a suggestion for your next version, maybe you can add an ultrasonic sensor at the bottom to measure the height so that you can apply some height control as well. Counter-rotating double fans also popped in my head, I think that might be worth trying too. Amazing video again! Thanks.
I still remember the time when I built a plane with nicad cells and a brushed motor and it was just barely able to climb. Brushless motors and lithium batteries are quite something, combined with the electronics to keep them from plowing straight into the ground. The design challenges are very different now, but certainly no easier.
+stefantrethan I still have an electric powered glider by Kyosho that I bought about a quarter of a century ago. It was powered by a massive, brushed motor and a 10-pack Ni-Cd battery that added a ton to the sailplane. It barely climbed to altitude, then sank like a brick, and then did one more climb and that was it. Fast-forward to the 21st century, I replaced the motor with a much more powerful brushless one and a much lighter and more powerful LiPo battery. The glider now reaches altitude in about 30 seconds, easily glides tens of minutes at a time, can climb to altitude dozens of times in a single charge. I can literally get a whole flying day out of one single battery charge. Electric powered gliders of the 90s were ahead of their time! It is only now that even 25 year old designs reached their full potential.
Really impressive! That's some serious scientific work! When I watch your videos, I wish I had studied something in the direction of electronics. It's just fascinating how software can be used to circumvent certain hardware problems.
Many people trying to design quadcopter with 4, 5 or more motors and the stabilization was not good as yours. you did it with one motor with lower cost and weight. it is so mart design. you did a good work.
Really cool project. Seems like landing it is one of the challenges at this point. Seems top heavy, but also the thrust is causing a turbulent ground effect. In the redesign of the frame you might consider having longer landing gear support the frame from the top for a wider, more stable landing surface. The legs could also be usefully designed as strakes for flight stability if you get into horizontal high speed flight. Hope to see more on this project!
That is _really_ cool! Stupid question : if you gave it a pair of wings, could you make it take off vertically, and transition to horizontal flight? (and vice-versa)
It's all about control and by looks of it I don't think it would pose an issue. When I was watching the first few minutes of the the video I thought how cool would this be if if was implemented in a tilt rotor.
I've had a 90mm EDF sitting in my office for the last 6 months to do exactly this :-). Great work with coupling the autopilot to the pitch rate to compensate for precession.
Looks like the futur of high speed drones 😊 and i think you did find a new form of video for relaxing, those slowmo shots at the end where the wood starts flying around everywhere are sooo relaxing to watch 😅 specialy with that music 👍
OMG this is so inspiring ... like ... this just shows just how wonerful an engineer's mind is ... I'm more of a software guy, but IF i had to build that and ran into the gyroscopic precession problem I'd have just installed another prop or quit entirely, blaming physics for the failure ... the case at 10:48 realy seemed HOPELESS to me ... Like ... this is not about persistance ... it's about how you see the world work ... we both know the world isn't perfect and it will never be, and if you see some of that world "imperfection" go directly against whatever physical device you're trying to build ... I would give up much faster I would have NO WAY THOUGHT YOU COULD STABILISE THAT THING WITH ANYTHING SHORT OF MACHINE LEARNING I woulcn't have thought that just applying a simple correction to the code that you get out by using the gyroscopic precession equasions would work, because turbulence and inertial instability and positive feedback loops and angular momentum in a closed system etc, etc JUST SEEING you tweak that one line of code, doing the exact correction the theoretical model tells you and achieving the stability sen at 16:07 SEEMED LIKE MAGIC TO ME like, idk how to describe this but ... YOU MEAN PHYSICS JUST WORKS ? in an IMPERFECT WORLD ? That feeling was nothing short of hope ACTUAL HOPE because even though the world is imperfect, by understanding it you can "negociate" with it JUST ENOUGH SO THAT YOUR THING WORKS this was beautiful
You deserve a million dollars for this no doubt!! Great job!! I'm working on stabilizing my ion propelled crafts, the this is definitely an inspiration!
I am working on a very similar project for my capstone project. I would suggest looking into adding stationary blades at the outlet of the duct to counteract the torque effect. Honeywell built a drone similar to this and that is their method of counteracting most of the torque effect so the outlet veins don't have to stabilize as much. It should put less stress on your outlet veins and make stability easier in theory.
I liked the relatively simple yet effective construction. Adding the third freedom of rotation would be probably too difficult and not really necessary to be worth the effort?
No reason to in this case, I was only interested in the roll/pitch response, the yaw control was disabled for these tests, and generally wasn't a problem at all control wise.
Old video, I know, but if you had approached the controls like a "normal" rc helicopter instead of a mulitrotor it actually has de same type of gyroscopic effect on cyclic controls with 90 degrees of change and the need of compensating the yaw with the tail rotor. Having a flightcontroller used for flybar less rc helis might have been another way forward although you would have to mix in the tail rotor correction (yaw) in the vane controls. Really cool project!
Excellent! The only thing i can see is if you made it a bit taller it would be easier to find balance. Like balancing a broom on the palm of your hand. Taller stick easier, short stick more difficult.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm how about just a tail like a kite...........but then the computer controls are not accounting for everything, I think that is what his final selling product will be. (The software could then be applied to an infinite amount of projects already being worked on all over the world.) the race has been running a long time. Looks like we have a new leader.
David Dillon could you explain how this works? I would figure the taller it is the more weight distributed away from COM making the moments greater and making it tip
Well yeah. The turbine is a gyroscope so if you move it along the y axis it's gonna begin to precess. So any movement in the plane of the turbine will need to be compensated by directing thrust in a orthogonal axis. The amount of compensation will depend on turbine speed as well which affects precession.
Very impressive. I've no idea what I'm talking about but couldn't you strap two of these bad boys together in a counter rotating fashion for less hassle and more power? Meh I don't know, go and work for DARPA or something, good shit mate.
Could mount 4 of these in to a X configuration to make it more stable. You could then mount all the weight in the middle of the X to make it more stable... Wait...
very nice work, especially with the nozzle and thrust vectoring mechanics design! reminds me a bit of the Honeywell RQ-16 T-Hawk (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell_RQ-16_T-Hawk ) (EDIT: link corrected)
Dude, you need to cool your fucking jets. (or ducted fans in this case). There are considerable differences between the design of this drone and the T-Hawk (which you refused to even name as the infringed design yourself). The control surfaces are completely different (and innovative) as well as the internal ducting. And you seem to completely ignore his work modifying the software (which also has NO connection to your beloved military craft). The fact is that ducted, single rotor, thrust vectored, VTOL aircraft have been developed since at least the 1950s. See: the Hiller 1031-A-1 and the Willams X-Jet and WASP. airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/hiller-model-1031-1-flying-platform hyperboreanvibrations.blogspot.com/2011/03/williams-international-x-jet-and-other.html You really don't seem to understand how IP and patents work. This man has done a lot of hard work to make something that functions and you are shitting all over his contribution to aerospace engineering. He didn't "steal" anything. He designed his ducting himself and the geometry of the fins and cutouts alone would be enough to patent his design, but he chose to share it with everyone instead. You need to step off your high-horse and show some respect for a guy that put a lot of love and effort into something so that we could all enjoy it and keep building on the idea.
Been studying this method of making a drone for a while. I have come across a new idea that makes it extremely level and upright without having to throttle the propeller up, or thrust vectoring to keep it level and upright. This requires installing a small but powerful motor to spin up a flywheel. You can put the flywheel and motor in a housing if you like, it doesn't need to push air or anything, just a ring spinning very fast. Using the gyro sensor steering assist off of rc drift cars and new rc trucks, you can allow the steering assist sensor to control the throttle speed on the flywheel motor. Both the motor and the gyro sensor can be set to automatic, whereas the flywheel is spun up to a certain speed, and then the gyro sensor can speed the motor up from there on its own. Adding this flywheel and steering assist sensor system to your drone, will make it extremely upright and level with force...because the flywheel can be spun up to a very high speed first...and then even faster when anything tries to tilt it over. Now that the upright and level part is taken care of seperately and automatically....You can simplify the flight controls for your drone, since they are no longer needed to keep it stable and upright. Also, this design automatically fights to level itself out if you walk up to it and push on it while its in the air, because the flywheel is immediately spun up faster. And you dont have to spin the propeller faster for that to happen...
8:10 I feel like if you had just put like literally anything flat, like a large wooden board on top of those boxes and made sure it was decently levelled, it would've worked just fine. Anyways, very interesting video! looking forward to more.
This guy seemed pretty sharp until I saw his test flights and the surface he was doing them on. look at all the crap going into the intake!! Do you live in Africa? Was there not one patch of concrete anywhere?
You sound Ignorant just Based, SOLELY on your Comment.....................now Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! or HUSH! Debris Passing through the Driver is IMPRESSIVE, Unlike Your Comment. Just saying. shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. hush.
Your control problems remind me of what a helicopter pilot has to do to maintain control of the aircraft. It may even be the very same control problem. Did you ever consider looking at model helicopter control systems?
Smarter Everyday did a video on helicopter control a few years ago that examined this issue. Helicopters have a tail rotor to cancel the asymetric torque, unlike this ducted fan where the vanes have to do everything.
He was actually wrong about something though, the phase delay of helicopter control inputs aren't gyroscopic precession it is an aerodynamic effect caused by blade being unable to exert pitch and roll on the airframe instantly the same as moving the elevators and ailerons on an airplane can't instantly pitch or roll the aircraft (a helicopter rotor is literally a rotating wing) The phase delay is (usually) close to 90 degrees, but not exactly 90 degrees and in some designs it's quite a bit off like with the Robinson R22 which has a phase delay of 70 degrees or the Sikorsky prototype I read about that had a phase delay of almost 100 degrees. (basically the lighter and stiffer the rotor the less delay and the heavier or more flexible the rotor the greater the delay). Gyroscopic presession is always EXACTLY 90 degrees so for phase delay to not be exactly 90 degrees in helicopters disproves the presession myth right off the bat. (helicopter rotors rotate too slowly and and don't have enough mass for gyroscopic presession to have a significant effect)
Open Hardware and Open source flight controller is hardly "Ripping it off". He had to do a lot of work to get it to fly, work that he implemented himself and wasn't copied. This is an original implementation of adapted works.
@@partickstar1135 if you're saying vectored engines are not a new design, and over coming gyroscopic procession and torque is not a new problem, I agree with you. Tesla500 didn't claim this idea as his own invention but this implementation of it is his own. Watching the video entirely makes that quite obvious.
they usually launch these things from a point where the ground is far enough lower, like from a pedestal with a gap underneath, to minimize the ground effect. or just start with full throttle abruptly and stabilize again when it's high enough
That will make in-flight stability worse. The shorter the distance between the CG and the thrust vectoring vanes, the less of an effect the vanes will have.
Off topic, but one of the few things I remember from an intro to aerodynamics class is why the US ICBMs worked and USSRs did not had to do with pointy vs. not resulted in different heat dispersion. I always thought that was counter-intuitive and cool.
AT THE END all of the test flights !.............................gave me a healthy respect for Dr. Werner Von Braun and his team at Peenemünde ! ................good grief ! all those test shots that went like your EDF TEST FLIGHTS? ! ............ MY GOSH ! glad you didn't have to go through each aftermath of destruction of the surrounding areas like THEY DID ! LOL outstanding work !
The exit wind pressure at the bottom could perhaps be manupulated so that it reach equal downward thrust al around, three or more rocket like nozzle could assist the stabilizing effort.
It actually doesn't matter that the servos can't move much faster; you can crank up a derivative factor sky high and actually get faster response without fast compensatory motions. It is counter-intuitive but true. Try cranking up the derivative by big steps, like double the coefficient, test, double it again, test again... At some point you will get diminishing returns. I'd encourage you to do the same with the motor speed control. Additionally, you could try adding a second-derivative component to the PID; which will probably have no noticeable effect until its gain is one or two orders of magnitude higher than the derivative gain. Great project; congratulations!
@@dweller9393 i tried but got a strike for nasty content, who would have thought nobody would have wanted to see me fry bacon on your mother's hairyback!Other then your father and the class of 83 football team no one bit!!!! back under that rock you Dweller under...
Kickstarter - all you need is a shell for this and you have the perfect kickstarter or Indiegogo project. You have working prototype which is more than many kickstarter campaigns have.
Design info, CAD files, firmware, etc. is now up at omeganaught.com/2018/08/ikarus-electric-rocket/
For better stability performance, please add counter fins right after the impeller. They have to be counter directed against the rotating fan
The EDF already has fins to straighten the airflow after the fan
Will you open the firmware source code?
mate would you be down on doing a collaboration video on this
Great video! I am working on a contra rotating setup at the time! (But with props, no edf) Excited to see what you will come up to
This might be my favorite video of yours.
Mine too, it's remarkable how much control he had
It's also a fantastic use of his handheld slo-mo camera! Super fast, easy tracking for a fast moving target. You should add this to the sizzle reel!
I came here to say "I want to see William Osman recreate this." Apparently you're alredy on it?
william, can we be bff ( forevers) ? i have a shed you can squat and a cat you can pet
That is really creepy. You should get to know someone before you love them.
There is no stopping you when you sent your mind to something! I would have thought the body of the craft would have to spin in the opposite direction of the fan from the torque. That blows my mind!
Yeah I wonder how much power he loses by using the vanes to counteract the torque
Well it does, but is counteracted by directed airflow with an axial component. You can see the craft yerk around the axis when the torque changes due to changed RPM of the fan.
Thanks! There are static vanes in the duct that straighten the airflow out, so there's no torque produced due to the airflow or fan spinning. The inertia of the fan does cause torque when spooling up or down, which the thrust vectoring vanes compensate for quite well as long as there's power applied. At low throttle, it can spin around quite a lot, but if you punch it above about half throttle, it stays in position quite well.
Are the batteries causing it to lose balance? Will equal weight distribution sort out your take off issues?
don't give him credit for ripping off someone else's work. lol fucking youtube hacks abound
I love it!
Hi Cody, how you doin?
Then tell him to give credit to the DESIGNER.
whos the designer?
Thanks! It was very hard to make all of this work but in the end it wasn't me.
Sup Cody...
Yep, this is amazing. Very impressive work, and thanks for sharing.
ah the batman has been spotted
I love how a proper tech company spent a few years with a full team, developing an unicopter, then this guy comes along and does it in has garage in a few months by himself😂
That's patience percivierence and pure focus😂
Some people work better by themselves and using others knowledge from online
high productivity
This is unbelievably cool!
The amount of effort you pour into this, and then share it freely with everyone. You’re the kind of hero we need more of!!
well he ripped off the design, and then "shared" it....so. theres that
Diesel Ramcharger Care to give the link. It would be cool to know. Regardless, the effort that he put into getting his pet controllable and understanding the control such as gyroscopic issues is pretty damn good. I really liked the wooden contraception that he built to help decipher the control issues.
Ripped off from who?
Regardless this man shared all plans and code for the sole purpose of improvement.
yes he used the Vector control of like i2d but used it in a different system..
Most excellent work. who knows where i2d got his idea from but Whatever .
Having the plan, and the code is a small part of it. Having the will, and follow through is the major obstacle.
AND THE BEST PART IS THAT IT'S TOTALLY SILENT.
You cant hear it if it destroys your ears first
*"WHAT?!"*
“ GOD DAMN IT, IS THE LEAF-BLOWER GUY HERE AGAIN!????” - 20:20
It's an air raid siren
holy c word this video is 5 years old 🤯
That is some amazing problem solving and persistence, great work! Love all the details provided about the whole process, too.
i watched this video when he uploaded it a few years back, & i am always amazed at how inventive he is
This is my favorite video to watch loudly while in the dentist’s waiting room.
"A rocket" with lipos strapped to it is called "a missile".
hes talking about how dangerous lipos are
Niklas lipo’s make it more of an incendiary ha ha
Niklas
Only if he has a switch to short and detonate the batteries. ;-)
A samsung missle
maybe more like a "dirty bomb"
Now just add a GPS and have it clean your driveway from leaves and snow in fall 😜
But seriously, awesome project!
I know this is partly in jest but that seems like a practical application.
jonathan... that is a great idea. three of these fine tuned to blow leaves into all other neighbors yards. million dollar idea cause they will need to buy a set as well. and the chain reaction ensues. tesla500 you getting this?
Also it could prevent leaves from collecting on the roof and gutters
I really liked that you put fails/learning curve test flights at the end. All together a most educational and inspirational build and video.
I'm not kidding. I just took the brushless motor out of my Dewalt drill, it kinda looks just like it😂
Damn thing sounds like a brushless motor you took out of a Dyson vacuum😂
I’ve been subbed to this channel since...well, I’m going to estimate 8 years or so. Many things have changed in that time, and although the channel is no longer highly active, it is most certainly worth the wait when a new video appears!
You’ve always come over as an incredibly smart chap David, a lot of the technical stuff is way above my head, and I’m glad to see your ideas are bearing fruit.
Well done sir. (Edited due to fat fingers)
I agree. He is quite good with what he does. I have studied aircraft dynamics and control and his understanding of the mechanism for gyroscopic effects and how to compensate for it is remarkable.
This is incredible! Thanks for spending so much time on the controls theory and feedback, exactly what I was interested in
Seriously impressed, especially as you modified the firmware to solve a fairly hard problem that normal rockets don't have to deal with.
Adding a fuel tank, combustion chamber and nozzle should be fairly trivial in comparison!
Link please or some other reference.
It’s like saying „Why do you use that calculator? You didn’t even invent it!“
The word 'rocket' is in inverted commas :)
Ducted fans won't be much help at altitudes over 12 km.
@@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV Yes, that's obvious, which is why I said "Adding a fuel tank, combustion chamber and nozzle".
The achievement is the control algorithm - the actual type of engine is secondary as long as it can respond appropriately to the inputs.
I am at 5:00 and I can't stop saying "oh my God oh my God" what I am so impressed with is that you're sharing all this and that makes you one of the most special people in history....your lack of greed is Angelic 👼
have you built any RC things in your entire lifetime? Its not hard to figure that out by just looking at it. The real amazing thing here is how he coded the thrust vectoring part and still have it be incredibly stable
@@honkhonk8009 buddy I can't even use toilet paper......I was run over by a certain type of vehicle with flashing lights when I was a kid.....you can call it an accident but it was deemed intentional and the son of a bitch pig is doing life times three.....I spent my own money to make sure he does not get the death penalty......the fun part is that I receive daily video and images from the warden, prison officials, and informants on the inside who actually have high speed access inside the prison......so to answer you question, it's kinda hard to assemble when you're a quadriplegic.....but I rejoice in the daily videos of the pig getting abused over and over for what he did to me.....so there is that......I was awarded a very large settlement and I mean large.....it is being used for good things.....I've decided to "hire" some college or high school kids to come over and we can "build rc" while learning
..then we will donate the items....good times ahead.
I have only dreamed of building such a thrust vectored flying machine. You have demonstrated incredible control. Congratulations. My 'technology-off-the-shelf' hat is off to you.
Your ability to problem-solve blows my mind. Thank you for sharing this.
Next year:
'Local man made his own leafblower, now has air speed record.'
Awesome! Next step, put some wings on it so it can do in-flight transition to lift-based fast forward flight.
That's in the works!
That was my first thought seeing the flight vid. It really needs to happen.
So was mine
That is the dumbest comment on here. Put wings on it. Omg yeah maybe then it will fly. Real forward thinking there. Or maybe we could hire a helicopter pilot to fly it cause he is smarter.
other TH-camrs would have made this into a series with 5 10-minute episodes
this just earned u a sub . mind blowing i always thought a single motor couldnt produce thrust at such a small scale level . thanks mate good jobu
was the impeller damaged at all by the wood chips? Some definitely entered.
Yes, it took some damage to the blade leading edges, divets of up to about 0.5mm. Nothing really bad, still usable.
I was looking for this comment. Knew I couldn't be the only one thinking this.
Made for a cool shot though.
@@tesla500 good thing you can just reprint the parts again.
@@tesla500 what about the motor though? I never take off from anything with sand or gravel as it can get into the motor from the top and eventually cause problems with how it runs. Possibly even cause it to fail.
Yeah FOD thats so not the correct place to use any kinda rotory air suck annd blow device of any kind.
this is one of the most innovative videos I 've watched. I just loved it. I have a suggestion for your next version, maybe you can add an ultrasonic sensor at the bottom to measure the height so that you can apply some height control as well. Counter-rotating double fans also popped in my head, I think that might be worth trying too. Amazing video again! Thanks.
I still remember the time when I built a plane with nicad cells and a brushed motor and it was just barely able to climb.
Brushless motors and lithium batteries are quite something, combined with the electronics to keep them from plowing straight into the ground. The design challenges are very different now, but certainly no easier.
+stefantrethan
I still have an electric powered glider by Kyosho that I bought about a quarter of a century ago. It was powered by a massive, brushed motor and a 10-pack Ni-Cd battery that added a ton to the sailplane. It barely climbed to altitude, then sank like a brick, and then did one more climb and that was it. Fast-forward to the 21st century, I replaced the motor with a much more powerful brushless one and a much lighter and more powerful LiPo battery. The glider now reaches altitude in about 30 seconds, easily glides tens of minutes at a time, can climb to altitude dozens of times in a single charge. I can literally get a whole flying day out of one single battery charge. Electric powered gliders of the 90s were ahead of their time! It is only now that even 25 year old designs reached their full potential.
Wow. Awesome stuff and it's great to see your thoughtprocess in making this!
Honestly this might be my favorite video on TH-cam
Really impressive! That's some serious scientific work! When I watch your videos, I wish I had studied something in the direction of electronics. It's just fascinating how software can be used to circumvent certain hardware problems.
With wings it would be an *extremely* fast VTOL "Tailsitter" aircraft.
Military contract is on it's way.
even better: wings that fold out when it's in the air so that it can stay small sized
My first question was going to be; *How did you overcome the gyroscopic torque* ? But I'm glad I watched the whole video first! 👍🏼
Same here, and after watching the whole video, if one misses the answer, replay @13:30
8:30
Many people trying to design quadcopter with 4, 5 or more motors and the stabilization was not good as yours. you did it with one motor with lower cost and weight. it is so mart design. you did a good work.
Awesome drone! It's body movements are so very different and unique to itself! You deffintly made Mr. Tesla proud!
Really cool project. Seems like landing it is one of the challenges at this point. Seems top heavy, but also the thrust is causing a turbulent ground effect. In the redesign of the frame you might consider having longer landing gear support the frame from the top for a wider, more stable landing surface. The legs could also be usefully designed as strakes for flight stability if you get into horizontal high speed flight. Hope to see more on this project!
19:50 me in the morning trying to get off the bed
the moment you said you wanted to put a cowl over it, all i could think of was putting a cover of a trashcan mac pro over it.
Hahaha, that would look even sillier than this (which is awesome). I like it!
Lol, I had image of Mac pro flying around.
Not gonna lie I was wanting the rocket to blast off in your garage while still connected to wooden jig lol. This is a wicked sick build! Love!!
I've seen a lot of videos of people attempting vectored flight. Your model is the best I've seen. Your model has amazing control. Well done!👍
That is _really_ cool!
Stupid question : if you gave it a pair of wings, could you make it take off vertically, and transition to horizontal flight? (and vice-versa)
That's up next
It's all about control and by looks of it I don't think it would pose an issue. When I was watching the first few minutes of the the video I thought how cool would this be if if was implemented in a tilt rotor.
An intermediate project before you make a vtol plane could be a Borg cube.
search youtube for f-35 vtol
That was the first thought I had. With wings this will get a nice efficiency in horizontal flight. Love it! Have to build it!
Very cool! Great project. Now that you've got id working, should get a an 11 or 12 blade fan for it so it sounds better.
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Thank you for sharing your wisdom and talent.
I've had a 90mm EDF sitting in my office for the last 6 months to do exactly this :-). Great work with coupling the autopilot to the pitch rate to compensate for precession.
Looks like the futur of high speed drones 😊 and i think you did find a new form of video for relaxing, those slowmo shots at the end where the wood starts flying around everywhere are sooo relaxing to watch 😅 specialy with that music 👍
Beware headphone users! Great project
OMG this is so inspiring ... like ... this just shows just how wonerful an engineer's mind is ...
I'm more of a software guy, but IF i had to build that and ran into the gyroscopic precession problem I'd have just installed another prop or quit entirely, blaming physics for the failure ... the case at 10:48 realy seemed HOPELESS to me ...
Like ... this is not about persistance ... it's about how you see the world work ... we both know the world isn't perfect and it will never be, and if you see some of that world "imperfection" go directly against whatever physical device you're trying to build ... I would give up much faster
I would have NO WAY THOUGHT YOU COULD STABILISE THAT THING WITH ANYTHING SHORT OF MACHINE LEARNING
I woulcn't have thought that just applying a simple correction to the code that you get out by using the gyroscopic precession equasions would work, because turbulence and inertial instability and positive feedback loops and angular momentum in a closed system etc, etc
JUST SEEING you tweak that one line of code, doing the exact correction the theoretical model tells you and achieving the stability sen at 16:07 SEEMED LIKE MAGIC TO ME
like, idk how to describe this but ... YOU MEAN PHYSICS JUST WORKS ? in an IMPERFECT WORLD ?
That feeling was nothing short of hope
ACTUAL HOPE
because even though the world is imperfect, by understanding it you can "negociate" with it JUST ENOUGH SO THAT YOUR THING WORKS
this was beautiful
You have built an exquisite flying machine
In retrospective, it's so much more interresting than if you just had a co-axial EDF instead
The first clip aboslutely destroyed youtube's video codec.
You deserve a million dollars for this no doubt!! Great job!! I'm working on stabilizing my ion propelled crafts, the this is definitely an inspiration!
Just saw the videos on your channel sir, very impressive stuff!
@@oadka Thanks!!
I am working on a very similar project for my capstone project. I would suggest looking into adding stationary blades at the outlet of the duct to counteract the torque effect. Honeywell built a drone similar to this and that is their method of counteracting most of the torque effect so the outlet veins don't have to stabilize as much. It should put less stress on your outlet veins and make stability easier in theory.
I love it. But your camera man needs a good telling off lol
FPV FREAKY -Yep. He was about three seconds behind the action.
At least he didn't shoot this in Vertical Video :) Looks amazing..
Yeah it was rubbish filming!!
Could end up being the fastest drone yet.
very far..
Something a 5 inch X8 could probably do. (maybe a 30 second flight time with a 6s battery. haha)
Nice gimbal!
Thanks! I really wanted to make sure it was very low friction, and relatively low weight to be confident in the results.
I liked the relatively simple yet effective construction. Adding the third freedom of rotation would be probably too difficult and not really necessary to be worth the effort?
No reason to in this case, I was only interested in the roll/pitch response, the yaw control was disabled for these tests, and generally wasn't a problem at all control wise.
Old video, I know, but if you had approached the controls like a "normal" rc helicopter instead of a mulitrotor it actually has de same type of gyroscopic effect on cyclic controls with 90 degrees of change and the need of compensating the yaw with the tail rotor. Having a flightcontroller used for flybar less rc helis might have been another way forward although you would have to mix in the tail rotor correction (yaw) in the vane controls. Really cool project!
Engineering + physics + super creative = my mind is blown!!! Too cool!
Excellent! The only thing i can see is if you made it a bit taller it would be easier to find balance. Like balancing a broom on the palm of your hand. Taller stick easier, short stick more difficult.
Hay David it is Daniel Dillon ..... usun Dillons Rule.....!!!!!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm how about just a tail like a kite...........but then the computer controls are not accounting for everything, I think that is what his final selling product will be. (The software could then be applied to an infinite amount of projects already being worked on all over the world.) the race has been running a long time. Looks like we have a new leader.
David Dillon could you explain how this works? I would figure the taller it is the more weight distributed away from COM making the moments greater and making it tip
Factorio drones confirmed.
You trying to be the next Elon Musk?
John Possum Nah I’m pretty sure David’s inventions will make money...
Nah he's better than him
yeah stealing other peoples work and claiming it as his own......just like elon!
@@DieselRamcharger what exactly are you talking about ?
Lunar Module???? :)
That slow mo over mulch is beautiful! Thanks.
Well yeah. The turbine is a gyroscope so if you move it along the y axis it's gonna begin to precess. So any movement in the plane of the turbine will need to be compensated by directing thrust in a orthogonal axis. The amount of compensation will depend on turbine speed as well which affects precession.
Is this a Hoover-craft? It sounds like one.
I'm impressed!
Sounds like a dentist's drill.
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Very impressive. I've no idea what I'm talking about but couldn't you strap two of these bad boys together in a counter rotating fashion for less hassle and more power? Meh I don't know, go and work for DARPA or something, good shit mate.
Could mount 4 of these in to a X configuration to make it more stable. You could then mount all the weight in the middle of the X to make it more stable... Wait...
Put wider "training legs" on it for testing
This is called engineering. I love your work.
Ok that was cool, I've done RC cars, helicopters, quad copters, hex copters. Each have their own challenges but this concept is just cool.
You should put a head on top of it. Scare people during Halloween.
and put some speaker to make evil laugh mwuhahahaaa
It's about the size of a head already, just need to strap a mask to it
Nah put some knifes on it way scarrier
Reminds me of the factorio robots
I was just thinking that. Not to mention i have Factorio running right now on my other screen... :)
very nice work, especially with the nozzle and thrust vectoring mechanics design! reminds me a bit of the Honeywell RQ-16 T-Hawk (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell_RQ-16_T-Hawk ) (EDIT: link corrected)
lol gee.....ya think.
Dude, you need to cool your fucking jets. (or ducted fans in this case). There are considerable differences between the design of this drone and the T-Hawk (which you refused to even name as the infringed design yourself). The control surfaces are completely different (and innovative) as well as the internal ducting. And you seem to completely ignore his work modifying the software (which also has NO connection to your beloved military craft). The fact is that ducted, single rotor, thrust vectored, VTOL aircraft have been developed since at least the 1950s. See: the Hiller 1031-A-1 and the Willams X-Jet and WASP. airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/hiller-model-1031-1-flying-platform
hyperboreanvibrations.blogspot.com/2011/03/williams-international-x-jet-and-other.html
You really don't seem to understand how IP and patents work. This man has done a lot of hard work to make something that functions and you are shitting all over his contribution to aerospace engineering. He didn't "steal" anything. He designed his ducting himself and the geometry of the fins and cutouts alone would be enough to patent his design, but he chose to share it with everyone instead. You need to step off your high-horse and show some respect for a guy that put a lot of love and effort into something so that we could all enjoy it and keep building on the idea.
Been studying this method of making a drone for a while. I have come across a new idea that makes it extremely level and upright without having to throttle the propeller up, or thrust vectoring to keep it level and upright. This requires installing a small but powerful motor to spin up a flywheel. You can put the flywheel and motor in a housing if you like, it doesn't need to push air or anything, just a ring spinning very fast. Using the gyro sensor steering assist off of rc drift cars and new rc trucks, you can allow the steering assist sensor to control the throttle speed on the flywheel motor. Both the motor and the gyro sensor can be set to automatic, whereas the flywheel is spun up to a certain speed, and then the gyro sensor can speed the motor up from there on its own.
Adding this flywheel and steering assist sensor system to your drone, will make it extremely upright and level with force...because the flywheel can be spun up to a very high speed first...and then even faster when anything tries to tilt it over. Now that the upright and level part is taken care of seperately and automatically....You can simplify the flight controls for your drone, since they are no longer needed to keep it stable and upright. Also, this design automatically fights to level itself out if you walk up to it and push on it while its in the air, because the flywheel is immediately spun up faster. And you dont have to spin the propeller faster for that to happen...
damn, idk why you offered the files and the programming for free, but thank you very much!
8:10 I feel like if you had just put like literally anything flat, like a large wooden board on top of those boxes and made sure it was decently levelled, it would've worked just fine. Anyways, very interesting video! looking forward to more.
Waterproof it and it works submerged under water...
This guy seemed pretty sharp until I saw his test flights and the surface he was doing them on. look at all the crap going into the intake!! Do you live in Africa? Was there not one patch of concrete anywhere?
Now that's funny!
You sound Ignorant just Based, SOLELY on your Comment.....................now Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! or HUSH!
Debris Passing through the Driver is IMPRESSIVE, Unlike Your Comment.
Just saying. shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. hush.
@@davidgagnon9851 just solely based on your comment... you sound like a little bitch. now go change your tampon.
What a fantastically interesting 30 mins. thanks for showing the process and journey.
The factory must grow.
it's manhack from half-life 2 ))
Yes Man lol
It's a factorio drone
Your control problems remind me of what a helicopter pilot has to do to maintain control of the aircraft. It may even be the very same control problem.
Did you ever consider looking at model helicopter control systems?
Smarter Everyday did a video on helicopter control a few years ago that examined this issue. Helicopters have a tail rotor to cancel the asymetric torque, unlike this ducted fan where the vanes have to do everything.
Jacob Brodsky Looks like Neil Armstrong flying the lunar lander video. Haha
He was actually wrong about something though, the phase delay of helicopter control inputs aren't gyroscopic precession it is an aerodynamic effect caused by blade being unable to exert pitch and roll on the airframe instantly the same as moving the elevators and ailerons on an airplane can't instantly pitch or roll the aircraft (a helicopter rotor is literally a rotating wing) The phase delay is (usually) close to 90 degrees, but not exactly 90 degrees and in some designs it's quite a bit off like with the Robinson R22 which has a phase delay of 70 degrees or the Sikorsky prototype I read about that had a phase delay of almost 100 degrees. (basically the lighter and stiffer the rotor the less delay and the heavier or more flexible the rotor the greater the delay). Gyroscopic presession is always EXACTLY 90 degrees so for phase delay to not be exactly 90 degrees in helicopters disproves the presession myth right off the bat. (helicopter rotors rotate too slowly and and don't have enough mass for gyroscopic presession to have a significant effect)
...and just call it a heli
Go open source. Give it a shell. Kick starter it. This is awesome.
he didn't design it, he ripped it off.
Open Hardware and Open source flight controller is hardly "Ripping it off". He had to do a lot of work to get it to fly, work that he implemented himself and wasn't copied. This is an original implementation of adapted works.
been done hundreds of times before..
@@partickstar1135 if you're saying vectored engines are not a new design, and over coming gyroscopic procession and torque is not a new problem, I agree with you. Tesla500 didn't claim this idea as his own invention but this implementation of it is his own. Watching the video entirely makes that quite obvious.
they usually launch these things from a point where the ground is far enough lower, like from a pedestal with a gap underneath, to minimize the ground effect.
or just start with full throttle abruptly and stabilize again when it's high enough
In the fist clip seeing all the wood chips get sucked into the fan was very satisfying.
How about lowering the center of gravity
That will make in-flight stability worse. The shorter the distance between the CG and the thrust vectoring vanes, the less of an effect the vanes will have.
Great video, as always! Just wanted to point out that yotube’s compression algorithm sh*t it’s pants during the intro of this video...
It is too round on the top, it needs to be pointy.
Off topic, but one of the few things I remember from an intro to aerodynamics class is why the US ICBMs worked and USSRs did not had to do with pointy vs. not resulted in different heat dispersion. I always thought that was counter-intuitive and cool.
I like the goofiness of it!
Rounded shapes are usually more aerodynamic below transonic/subsonic speeds.
Transonic/supersonic*
I thought this was The Dictator reference
AT THE END all of the test flights !.............................gave me a healthy respect for Dr. Werner Von Braun and his team at Peenemünde ! ................good grief ! all those test shots that went like your EDF TEST FLIGHTS? ! ............ MY GOSH ! glad you didn't have to go through each aftermath of destruction of the surrounding areas like THEY DID ! LOL outstanding work !
Congratulations, you just designed the first flying kitchen blender! No lol, this is really a peace of high tech! I love it!
You can make the launch pad with pvc pipe....:-) :-):-)
Factorio anyone?
Factorio logistic bots.. anyone?!
Yes! That's why I clicked! :D
YES !!!!
That's a really creative way to use an EDF. Love it!
The exit wind pressure at the bottom could perhaps be manupulated so that it reach equal downward thrust al around, three or more rocket like nozzle could assist the stabilizing effort.
In the beginning the Fan sounds like a Emergency Siren
When you get 1M subscriber on no video we will add music with it
tutoriall
пепелац
Гравицапа
Гравицапа сама не летает!
А пепелац без гравицапы тоже не полетит.
там аж 4 гравицапы - посмотри, синие по бокам)
It actually doesn't matter that the servos can't move much faster; you can crank up a derivative factor sky high and actually get faster response without fast compensatory motions. It is counter-intuitive but true. Try cranking up the derivative by big steps, like double the coefficient, test, double it again, test again... At some point you will get diminishing returns. I'd encourage you to do the same with the motor speed control.
Additionally, you could try adding a second-derivative component to the PID; which will probably have no noticeable effect until its gain is one or two orders of magnitude higher than the derivative gain.
Great project; congratulations!
The insightful comments of your cameraman in the demo flight are not embarrassing at all. 😉
Круто :) очень похоже на этот фильм кино :)
th-cam.com/video/CmgiHDwvMVs/w-d-xo.html
Yes lol
this is a 5th grade project. step your game up
lol
if this was a 5th grade project, then what school is that cause I wish I went there XD
Post a video of the genius shit you make then
@@dweller9393 i tried but got a strike for nasty content, who would have thought nobody would have wanted to see me fry bacon on your mother's hairyback!Other then your father and the class of 83 football team no one bit!!!! back under that rock you Dweller under...
Kickstarter - all you need is a shell for this and you have the perfect kickstarter or Indiegogo project. You have working prototype which is more than many kickstarter campaigns have.
Thank you 👌. It's a joy to see. Including the amazing clarity of description and honest earnest explanation ❤️
Dude, it sounds just like a flying vacuum cleaner motor! crazy project!!