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@@mikewithers299 What is Know Your Rights? Every year, tens of thousands of men and women are raped, sexually assaulted, and sexually harassed by active duty servicemembers. Since 2011, Protect Our Defenders has been working hard to reform the military justice system to ensure that victims are protected from their assailants and from retaliation by their chain of command and fellow servicemembers. Over the years, it has become apparent that victims - military and civilian - are not always informed of the rights that are afforded to them. Protect Our Defenders is launching Know Your Rights in order to provide a comprehensive resource to both active duty and civilian victims of military sexual violence, sexual harassment, and retaliation.
P320 issue were fixed in 2017. People been giving Sig shit (for good reason), but they act like they're the only brand with issues. I seen videos of people praising Staccato left and right, yet that one failed the test immediately.
I think the hate is for the fact that SIG covered it up with a "voluntary upgrade" because they were in final negotiations for the M17 contract and were afraid of what would happen if they did a mandatory recall because their guns were mechanically unsafe. Never, not once, did SIG tell people their guns were hazardous and shouldn't be used until they were fixed.
@@dancingferret6654 l take because you're incorrect in every way. A literal google search proves you wrong. Sad that you feel the need to make shit up to feel good about tour choices.
The shot at 21:49 really brings home just how huge the MK23 is. It looks normal in isolation, but compared to the other pistols it's like something from the Fallout games. I'm surprised it didn't break the concrete.
Nice (and expensive) video! There are a lot of SIG P320 haters that won't like these results but for those of us who aren't, this is long overdue. Thank you!
the series 80's 1911's added a firing pin block that prevents firing pin travel without the trigger being depressed. a large portion of 1911 guys remove them outright because of how much they mess with trigger weight and pull consistency. thanks for notifying the world how much of a problem it is with 1911's. i'll make sure to keep it in the 1911 i carry if i ever do carry one.
I think the trigger pull difference is overblown. I can tell but, I'll bet you 90% can't tell. My S80, which was the main carry gun for me for years, has a very good trigger.
In case you didn't know: All S70 1911/2011s will discharge if dropped muzzle down. There's no firing pin block present so inertia will send the firing pin forward
The reason why the only guns that went off were the 1911 based guns was because of the firing pin block (or lack thereof on 1911s). On pretty much all modern pistols there is a piece of metal in the slide that physically blocks the firing pin from moving forward. This piece of metal is moved out of the way by a lever as you pull the trigger. AFAIK all the guns in this video aside from the 1911/2011s have one. The reason why those don't is because the 1911 wasnt originally designed with one, and the addition of the firing pin block makes the trigger slightly worse. In the 80s the military wanted their guns to be drop safe, so they required a change to the 1911. Colt added a firing pin block, and that became known as a series 80 1911, and 1911s without one are known as series 70. Another notable gun without a firing pin block is the CZ Shadow series, because they're designed for competition use. Similar to the 1911s, if you drop them on the muzzle the firing pin's inertia can let it move forward and strike the primer, without the trigger or hammer moving at all. In other guns this is prevented by the firing pin block.
So why wasn't this added to the 2011 series. Pretty inexcusable to have a modern pistol fail a simple drop test even if it is based on a century old design.
If you really dropped SDI you should make a video explaining that because the tier 2 guntubers are blowing them up today for being a scam. I wouldn't wait.
I’ve done a lot of research on them before wanting to join but realized it’s just overpriced classes to learn stuff you could learn for free on TH-cam, so I’m assuming garand found that out and dropped them
@thtshiicray297 I went to SDI. Graduated from their associates program. I enjoyed it and learned a lot. Sure you can learn a lot from TH-cam, but you can run into a lot of misinformation and fudd lore, so you have to comb through TH-cam to make sure it's reliable. SDI employs professionals from the firearm industry.
I love that the 2011s failed but are used almost exclusively in my training group by guys that ND regularly and bought the guns because of their failing grip strength and arthritis, very comforting.
Watching these slo-mo videos of guns falling also reinforces the lesson my grandfather taught me when it comes to carrying firearms: “A falling gun is all trigger. Just let it fall and hope for the best. It probably won’t go off.”. There’s no way to safely catch a falling gun, and the slo-mo proves that. They’re spinning and bouncing all over the place. Would be too easy to accidentally cycle the trigger while trying to get a handle of the pistol.
SO TRUE. I’m a grandfather and I’ve taught my grandsons to “let it fall.” Taught my electronically-skilled grandson the same thing about soldering irons. I only made that mistake once in 8 years of USN aircraft gear electronics repair. It’s a quick teacher. 😂
I had a coworker who successfully saved the cheap laminate flooring of a previous workplace by catching a beaker of sulfuric acid before it could stain that pretty floor. He, in hindsight, regrets being so thoughtful.
"Imogen Heap, Hide And Seek" look it up... Not Jason Derulo he sampled it .. Good ear though mang I thought the same. Must be a commom effect on protools or somthing. lol
I carry a sig p320 drive legion I love it, it’s my favorite. Watching it pass the test when everyone swears it’s dangerous, makes me feel good. (Especially after you guys even dropped it from 12 feet about 4 times.)
All 1911s built to Browning's original design will go off when dropped specifically on the muzzle. That's because the only thing holding the firing pin back is the firing pin spring, so the force of dropping the gun on the muzzle gives the firing pin enough forward momentum to overcome the strength of the spring and the firing pin moves forward and hits the primer. This is also why the 1911s didn't go off when dropped on the rear of the slide. This can potentially be eliminated or at least mitigated by using a titanium firing pin. Firing pins are traditionally hardened steel, so they have more mass moving forward. The lighter weight of titanium means there (generally) won't be enough forward momentum in the firing pin to set off the primer when the gun is dropped on the muzzle. This is why Colt (the only company making 1911s at the time) developed the "Series 80" in the 1980's. It added a firing pin block to the original 1911 design which prevents the firing pin from moving forward unless the trigger is pulled. This is the same type of safety that is present on all "modern" guns...including the other ones tested in this vid. That's why none of them went off. A series 80-style 1911 would've "passed" this test.
why dont all the more modernized 1911s have this feature though? seems kinda like a massive oversight. an original 1911 i can see why theyd fail these tests, but to what i know at very least the 2011 should have this mechanism no?
@@sniperh2o325 Series 80 components make the trigger a bit mushier, so anyone who wants the best possible trigger (something the 1911 is famous for) always goes for Series 70. Given the 2011 was originally designed for competition, it makes sense why they’d go for a Series 70 design. Para Ordnance made double stack 1911s with Series 80 firing pin blocks, though. I built my custom 1911 off that frame primarily because it had higher capacity .45ACP magazines, but also because it was Series 80. The trigger is still better than any non-1911 trigger and is fully drop safe (with 15+1 rounds of .45ACP flush fit).
@@sniperh2o325 they make staccatos and other high end 1911/2011s as Series 70s (without firing pin block) because the trigger is objectively better without a firing pin block
Pretty sure thet had an issue when they came out first at a specific impact angle, which is not tested at trials. But they revised and fixed that issue pretty quickly. If I remember correctly, there was a recall, where they would send you the fxed part.
Yes. Whoever says "some still have issues" is either making it up out of bias, or they're talking about one of the first models before the recall and fix.
@@decoyhunter8832 one specific one they like to cite as "proof" they're still not drop safe is a cop who legged himself where it's unclear if he even dropped it and the department did not send their first gen 320's back to sig for the recall they had their armorer who was "sig certified" do the safety upgrade (which requires milling, which I'm totally sure he had in a police armory lol)
@@floofyboi7546 That's because rumors that go around about guns can get started from one incident, then they get shared around by countless people who don't know anything. It's no different from Olight being a fire hazard. 0.1% of the people saying that don't have any idea why they are saying it. It's just supposed to make them look like they know what they are talking about.
Cap the weapon with the left hand while NOT covering the barrel, and then holster. What if I have something in my non dominant hand? That's what pockets are for!!!! What if I'm not wearing pants with packets? Stop wearing spandex pants without pockets freaks!!!!
@@Renenko What is Know Your Rights? Every year, tens of thousands of men and women are raped, sexually assaulted, and sexually harassed by active duty servicemembers. Since 2011, Protect Our Defenders has been working hard to reform the military justice system to ensure that victims are protected from their assailants and from retaliation by their chain of command and fellow servicemembers. Over the years, it has become apparent that victims - military and civilian - are not always informed of the rights that are afforded to them. Protect Our Defenders is launching Know Your Rights in order to provide a comprehensive resource to both active duty and civilian victims of military sexual violence, sexual harassment, and retaliation.
@@realitynow4342 What is Know Your Rights? Every year, tens of thousands of men and women are raped, sexually assaulted, and sexually harassed by active duty servicemembers. Since 2011, Protect Our Defenders has been working hard to reform the military justice system to ensure that victims are protected from their assailants and from retaliation by their chain of command and fellow servicemembers. Over the years, it has become apparent that victims - military and civilian - are not always informed of the rights that are afforded to them. Protect Our Defenders is launching Know Your Rights in order to provide a comprehensive resource to both active duty and civilian victims of military sexual violence, sexual harassment, and retaliation.
If your P320 has the SRT, you're good to go. People, including law enforcement and military guys, are having dumb negligent discharges and then just defaulting to blaming the gun because it's a P320 and had the bad drop issue at launch. The voluntary upgrade is there for a reason, primarily for the newer sear assembly in the FCU. If you have a day 1 p320, sure, don't drop it at the specific angle.
Sig only did a voluntary upgrade though. They didn't do a recall. There's still plenty of dangerous pistols in circulation and sig is being sued because of this. It's pure negligence or greed on their part.
@@misanthropy6690 all recalls are technically voluntary upgrades. Nobody from Sig is going to go door to door demanding to fix your weapon. Just like how your vehicle isn't going to stop driving because of a recall... You as the owner have to voluntarily drive to the dealership to have the recall repaired.
Man, I would love for one of you gun tubers to recreate the accident that left me paralyzed. I was on a hunting trip when I was 12 and as we were bent over the creek cleaning our squirrels, the person to my left had their single action revolver slip out of their pocket. it was uncocked and less than a foot drop, but went off hitting me square in the neck (thankfully missing major arteries, but hit my spinal cord). I've been at peace with it for years, but the more videos I see like this, the more I yearn for a visualization to help me comprehend how things went down. Anyway, fantastic video fellas!
On single action revolvers the hammer rests on a live round so its common to only load 5 and rest the hammer on an empty chamber. I would assume your hunting partner had the hammer resting on a live round so when the gun dropped on the hammer it fired
Know the make or model? I’m guessing non transfer bar gun with firing pin resting on a primer. Colt SAAs with firing pins on the hammer were mostly carried with 5 rounds so as to not risk this. Sorry to hear about your misfortune
@@ronenton4037 yeah that’s what I thought for the past 18 years. I’m just saying that it would still be cool to see a recreation since I didn’t get a chance to watch everything unfold since I was the one being shot and my mind lost consciousness for the first two or three minutes 😂 i’m a visual person so for closure it would be nice to see how hard it would be to re-create that entire thing. We were less than 2 feet away from each other and to strike me perfectly where it did not kill me still blows my mind.
@@c5roller I think it's one of those situations where recreating the bullet being fired would be (relatively) simple, but recreating the shot placement would be statistically impossible. Even with an aimed shot, it would be pretty hard to hit the spine in the neck without causing fatal damage. You know how it is, complete severance that high in the spine, and the heart n lungs don't even work anymore.
Amazing. I watched this without sound and my head automatically went to the SNL skit from the early 2000s. Absolutely outstanding. Thank you. Also good video in general.
The obvious common denominator here is the lack of a firing pin safety. Doesn't matter if the safety is on or off. Doesn't matter if it's cocked. If there's nothing to arrest the forward motion of the firing pin, inertia will be enough. This is one reason why companies like Springfield shipped (don't know if they still do), 1911's with a titanium firing pin. It was to reduce the mass because of this potential issue.
Regarding the 1911 I assume the three examples were all based on what Colt calls the series 70 (or historically original) firing pin setup. The series 80 (which most 1911 lovers don't like) has an extra firing pin safety specifically to make it more drop safe. I recommend seeking out something in that configuration in a part 2.
Yes, I was also waiting for them to mention firing pin safeties. Also worth mentioning the Ruger SR1911 which is a Series 70, but with a lightweight titanium pin, which *presumably* is too light to set the primer off from a drop.
There was always this wisdom about a lighter firing pin and/or heavier firing pin spring making the 'Series 70' guns more drop safe. Probably something they could test out.
My mother who was really big into collecting firearms was one of the leading forces for drop safety’s being required in modern firearms for commercial market. My brother James Lee Osborne was killed by a revolver drop accident back in 81 and she sued the manufacturer not requesting a dime but requesting drop safety’s be added to all the companies handguns. Rip LEAB 04/13/1943-04/20/2010
I 100% agree but the only other person who was there said they were playing on rocks and it fell out of one of the oldschool cowboy holsters and went off shooting him through the lower jaw through the top of his head. She did an investigation on the other boy because it’s reasonable that he may have shot him instead but all forensics and Leo reports came back that with the scuffing on the gun and the angle it was almost positively a drop incident. I’ve thought about posting a video on all of it with all the reports because the incident as a whole is wild. She was in Virginia while leaving them alone at the condo in AZ. Multiple times people close to her in va thought she had him killed.
I had to hold back a tear when the Sig P226 was up. Of course it would PASS. The words spoken just after 11:10 sums up how all vintage P226 owners feel about them. Mine is a 1984 model “Made In West Germany” on the slide. It’s never missed a beat or broken a part. It’s “my Baby” of the collection ❤️. Outstanding video!
I've got a 1983 P6 that was issued to the Frankfurt region while I was living in that region, which makes it extra cool. It will stay in my collection til I die.
here is all the guns and times they where dropped enjoy :D Beretta m9a4 4:00 smith & wesson m&p 2.0 5:15 staccato xc 2011 5:52 nighthawk custom sandhawk 2011 7:02 sig sauer p320 7:36 sig sauer m17 8:59 sig sauer p365 xmacro legion 9:54 sig sauer p226 10:49 browning hi power 11:30 glock 17 gen 3 12:30 glock 47 gen 5 12:59 agency glock 17 13:30 psa dagger 13:56 cz75 14:36 walther pdp 15:50 nighthawk custom 1911 16:39 hk usp expert 19:17 springfield echelon 19:45 archon firearms type b 20:40 hk mk23 21:48
What annoys me about Garand Thumb's "tests" is that he owns gay exotic nonsense nobody on the planet gives a damn about. Literally half those guns cost well over $2,000. "Is your pistol drop safe", as long as you own a Glock, Sig, or you're one of the thankfully-dwindling number of affective assholes who still cares about 1911s.
@@MichaelKLee-jf7qs That's not true, though. Since the upgrade program was voluntary, there are still plenty of P320's out there without a thinned out trigger and modified sear assembly/manual disconnect.
So, most 1911s don't have enough mass in the firing pin for inertia to overcome the spring and ignite a primer. The reason they fire is the mass and geometry of the sear, which is why they don't fire with the thumb safety engaged or when dropped on the rear. The thumb safety directly engages the sear, the grip safety only prevents the trigger from moving. When the frame and slide suddenly stop muzzle down the sear will rotate forward disengaging the hammer. This is also aggravated by most modern 1911 hammers being made with far less aggressive half-cock notches than traditional. This issue has been addressed in a number of ways, heavier firing pin springs, lighter firing pins, and most effectively the Schwartz style, aka colt series-80, firing pin block. The Kimber style series-80 is activated by the grip safety and theoretically could disengage itself with a muzzle down impact.
Literally the first person that seems to understand this. Many 1911s and 2011s are series 70 so they don't have the sear block. The reason manufacturers produce these guns in this format is because albeit only a little bit, the sear does put extra spring pressure on the trigger and makes for a slightly less clean break, most of these pistols are purpose built for precision target shooting and not a defensive or combat situation so the bumps and jolts shouldn't be as much of a factor and even if they are they're in a controlled environment. The included manual safety alleviates this issue as long as it's engages so if you plan on carrying a 1911 or 2011 it's easy to check whether you have a series 70 or 80 just by removing the slide and looking to see if there is a firing pin sear block, but either way it's a 1911 and they usually have incredibly light triggers so if you're gonna carry one I'd train carry with the manual safety engaged.
Interesting point! In the video, though, the hammers only dropped to half-cock--it SEEMS like these pistols discharged without the hammer dropping all the way. Am I misunderstanding your comment?
Guess you missed the part where the hammer was still engaged despite the slide not reciprocating. The 2011s fired because the sudden stop compressed the firing pin spring just enough to engage the primer. If you put a titanium firing pin and a stiffer spring it would be deterred from happening. I’ve done so with a couple of mine after doing a mallet test to see if it would fire. Does not fire after swapping those 2 components
@@chrisnorman1430 Right, I totally get that they are more for competition or a "controlled environment" the problem is I see $2500+ Stacatto's being issued to PD's instead of just a $500 Glock.
Years ago, the Dutch police wasn't allowed to have a bullet in the chamber of their gun (The Walther P99Q-NL was new back then), because of this. People got shot when the gun fell, either from mis-holstering or dropping it. All happened "during training exercises" of course (lol), and they had it fixed within a year after introduction.
Because with a proper holster, it is completly safe to have one in the chamber. I carry every day. Everywhere. Imagine in that small chance I need my firearm to protect myself, whose to say I will have time to chamber a round. I might have a kid in one hand. I might have 4 bags of groceries in one hang. I might have big fat winter gloves. Why would I add another step to the process of presenting a firearm? Carrying without one in the chamber also presents a higher chance (not high, but higher) of you short stroking the slide or something and causing a jam. You could even be tackled by a guy, and now your on your back getting your face smacked in, and you think you'll readily be able to rack that slide without something going wrong? One in the chamber or not, I don't care, but it is foolish to claim that carrying with one in the pipe is unsafe. @@kleanish
@@capella95 I think the chance the gun fires on accident because it has a round in the chamber for whatever reason is higher than the chance that the time saved from having a round in the chamber has an meaningful impact on the the situation needing to use the gun, which is already very very rare. Once again, everyone is hypocrytical when it comes to gun safety and +1 hand guns. Why have the safety on? Why have the bolt open? Why separate the ammunition and the weapon? Why point the barrel in the air? Need I go on..
@@kleanishthe difference is I am operating from knowing something, and you operate from "I think". And that's okay to be ignorant, but be receptive. Your questions at the end of the comment, what's your point? There are many scenarios where you would have your bolt shut, because you don't want sand getting in it. Why have the safety on? Because I am not ready to fire. Most of these boil down to safe transport law. But we are talking about defensive shooting. Your statements about likelyhood are false. If I need my gun to defend my life ( and once I was in that scenario, I tried to de-esculate and withdraw, but was pursued) I want it ready to go NOW. Because seconds matter. When planning for the unexpected you can't expect a perfect scenario where you can rack the slide. Again, you're probably caught off guard, you're working, you're tired, it's dark out, and adding extra steps to a life threatening scenario is just unwise. Again, it's 2024, the majority of handguns are drop safe. I have dry fired holster drills THOUSANDS of times. I have educated people to do the same. Not once has my firing pin dropped on accident. I even dropped my gun once, didn't go off. The really only way I know a gun to go off is if you got a zipper or coat string ect dangling in your holster, which could catch your trigger. Even then there are passive safetys to mitigate this, and in top of that, just look at your damn holster before you carefully place the gun back in it. You claim there's a hypocrisy about gun safety, and it is clear you have no standing to make that claim. When most everyone citizens who carries daily, Swat cops, federal agents, firearm instructors, special forces, all carry with one in the pipe, can you stop and think maybe there's good reason for it. The problems you see with carrying with one in the chamber just aren't reality frankly.
When I bought my Glock 17 Gen 2 in 1992, the store had a Glock Rep there to answer questions. He also had a VHS/TV playing video of Glock Inc’s torture testing of the G17. I was actually going to buy a Beretta 92 (love that gun from Lethal Weapon movies) After watching the video of Glock dropping a G17 G2 from a helicopter from maybe 50 feet or so without a drop fire, as well as no damage other than cosmetic. Over 32 years of daily carry and maybe 15,000 rounds through it, it has never failed me. I would not trade it for any other side arm. I did get an Italian Beretta 92… What a beautiful gun. Shoots great, but I love my Glock.
I had a Beretta 92 for a couple of years starting around 1998. It was pretty and I liked the grip, but the trigger was awful and it ejected brass at a higher and higher angle as it got dirty. 50 to 75 rounds in after the last cleaning it would be bouncing brass off of my shooting glasses.
Glad it has worked well. most modern arms work very well. as a law enforcement Advanced Glock Armorer (which means I paid them extra money), I have performed maintenance on 1000's of Glock pistols for LE over the past 30-years. I can tell you that Glocks fail like any other firearm. I have personally witnessed cracked locking blocks, broken locking block pins, broken trigger bar springs, broken trigger pins, bent trigger bars, gouged/worn sears, worn (failed) firing pin safeties, broken slide rails, broken or failed slide stop springs, front sights loose, broken trigger safeties....whew! And Glock has issued innumerable "upgrades" for LE due to design corrections. But this is not unique to the Glock. All mechanical items wear, break, fail, etc. Carried a Glock for almost two decades as a police officer before my agency switched to S&W 2.0's. What a difference and glad we made the change. But when it comes to fighting with a handgun, the best is the one I'm holding when I need it the most.
As an owner of two new 320 M-18's and a 365...BLESS YOU! I've seen alot of stuff out on the internet and was starting to have cultivated paranoia. But I think I'm seeing that the lawsuit was probably due more to the user somehow unintentionally activating a trigger system which is always "cocked". Anyway, I feel better about my purchases! Thanks again!
@@TheDarksideFNothing Its pretty conclusive. If it has a firing pin block, it wont go off. Physically impossible. Guns that dont have one.... Will go off
@@mynameisjeff6988 Did you ever do that egg dropping contest in grade school where you're supposed to design a device to protect an egg from breaking when you drop it from a tall spot? My design ended up ejecting the egg into the grass....miraculously unbroken. But I only had to drop it once, so I passed. However, I doubt it would have consistently passed the test if I had dropped it 10,000 times at different angles on different surfaces... Are you seeing my point? We can draw SOME conclusions from what we saw. One conclusion might be "Not having a firing pin block seems to be a mistake for safety." Another might be "Wow the ones that went off are really not very drop safe at all under these conditions." What we cannot say is that the guns that didn't go off WONT EVER go off. All we can say is they didn't this time. If we dramatically increase the testing we could see a failure rate emerge or find a specific drop angle that the design doesn't handle well. Once you run this test with many more angles and MANY MANY more drops you can start to do things like suggesting a gun is effectively drop safe because it never went off in testing. With a big enough sample size it becomes conclusive in the negative. The problem is you're trying to prove a negative. You can't reeeeaaallly do that in most circumstances. But you can demonstrate that it is vanishingly unlikely, which can be basically just as good. But it takes a LOT of data.
The P320 had issues with the first gen model. Sig admitted if the gun was dropped at a 30 degree angle, the weight of the trigger would depress the trigger causing the gun to fire. After the complaints, Sig released a voluntary upgrade and all new P320s came with upgraded triggers and FCGs which make it impossble for the gun to fire. The P320s you dropped had the upgraded triggers and FCG which is noted by the thin triggers. The original triggers were more than twice as thick.
A more accurate description from Sig on the fix "The P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program is a SIG SAUER initiative to upgrade P320 pistols at no additional cost. This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector." The additional mechanical disconnector was probably the most SIGnificant fix for the problem...
Just inherited my dad’s P226 as he just passed. It was his duty pistol when he was security out in the Nevada test range for 20+ years. And they let him keep it when he retired. Glad she passed the test🫡
Please do videos on the following: -Shotgun Mud test -Review the ARAK-21 -Which is better the PKM or the M240B? -Possible Sand Tests for the future? -How good are mini shotgun shells vs 2 3/4? -Invite all the GunTubers you can to Idaho with a rifle that they would take into combat and have them run drills and compete with each other to see which rifle set up would work best.
Common thread I noticed, pretty much because I own essentially every gun in the lineup, is that the 1911s are the only ones that lack firing pin safeties. The early 320s lacked the firing pin safety too IIRC.
What makes me sad is that there are actually "people" here who literally weren't alive when that meme (and we didn't even call them memes then) was big.
@@xtrm.mayhem4098 nah they just dont like "silly" videos, any gun content where your not strictly doing drills is "unserious" and going to "turn the common man against us". Basically the "don't larp or wear outfits/gear its bad and unserious" gun crowd take except they dialed it the polar opposite way and said "if you aint ALL LARP ALL THE TIME you're unserious"
@HalooINC ah I see. Yeah I'm not 100% in disagreement with his take on "silly" videos. However at the same time it's a "mostly" free country so the "silly" video creators can do what they want even tho I think it's sure helps the gun grabber leftist look at us as a joke.
Another great video! Hopefully in the next one you can clear up the massive differences between a series 70/80 1911/2011 for all those that have no idea. Those newer less knowledgeable members of the gun community will get the wrong message. Maybe also include revolvers and detail why older models fire when dropped while most new ones do not. The “new” people probably make up the largest percentage of our community or soon will obviously. They didn’t even exist pre and post internet, lol. So they didn’t learn and actually experience the changes in modern gun design, use and safety. Too many still must be taught that shotguns don’t blow people backwards or make it impossible to miss a target. TV and Movies are the only education that so many newcomers have until we teach them.
I could be wrong, and i'm sure the internet will let me know, but I thought most of those drop test issues were gen1 P320s. Sig made some changes to the internals to address those concerns and allowed owners to have their gen1s "fixed" for free. This part i know is real because I own a gen1 and sent it in. Not over the concerns of the "test" results, but because all after market, and I assume Sig also, triggers etc. were only compatible with the "fixed" version. Mine is still completely stock, but I have considered getting a flat trigger for it. So I at least know I can if i want to.
@@billcaruso9599yes to the first one about the issue being sort of resolved by Sig, no clue about compatibility though I don’t see why it wouldn’t. Don’t trust me though a shop might be able to give you a good answer
@@dipsylogic1715 issues on tape where shown to be user issue. one where it was improperly holstered, and another where is finger was in the trigger guard while he upholstered it. i haven't seen a video tape where it went off by itself, and not manipulated to do so.
@@countryboy4542should have used just some spray on trucked liner on the concrete so it would scratch a little less. Or rubberized paint with a thin layer to reduce the abrasion
It helps the algorithm to. It is all about retaining the viewer for at least 30 seconds. People are accustomed to rapid fire content in short bursts, tik tok made everyone else emulated them.
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I think it's worth mentioning that it was only early production Sig P320s that had drop safety issues, which were all subject to a recall. Both of the guns in the video are post-recall, which can be visually determined by the shape of the trigger shoe. The early guns had a beefier looking trigger, while those of the post-recall guns are much slimmer.
Thanks for that info. I've been wondering why I see such a disparity between p320 owners who swear it's 100% safe and those who say 100% unsafe. I'm now thinking the "unsafers" just didn't know about/didn't get the recall.
@@michaelberman2376 Glock had to do a voluntary recall in the early 90s because they had machining issues with some slides that could cause out of battery detonations. But nobody is wary of owning a Glock.
@@michaelberman2376 What people also seem to forget is, that while SIG did do the voluntary upgrade for those early models, and on later models made them to Voluntary Upgrade Spec, they could never recreate the P320 firing when dropped.
@@robwoodring9437 the issue is that when this first happened sig did a voluntary upgrade instead of a total recall to save money, meaning those original models with those issues are still in circulation right now
No uzi falling down the steps, dropped by Jamie Lee Curtis? I knew a private whose M9 fell out of his holster getting in a HMMVV and got dragged behind it by his lanyard down the highway for a very long time. The hammer and most of the slide were shredded away yet still had the round in the chamber and fired. I wish I still had the pics. To this day, you can still hear the yells from the smoking he received echoing through a certain base in Iraq.
nice reference! As a troop in Germany in 91 we were rolling in the back of a 2 1/2 ton truck. we would tie our slings thru the bows on the canvas top. We found out this works for things up to and including M203's but not for M60's. It slipped the sling and tumbled down the autobahn. The WW2 barracks walls could not drown out the screaming. Yeah he had to pay for it.
The problem with the Sig 320 from what I recall was that the trigger was heavy enough that the impact would "pull" the trigger, not that it didn't have internal safeties or that they failed. That means to replicate the issue it needs to impact on the back of the slide, if it impacts on the frame the slide might go out of battery and block the striker/trigger.
@GarandThumb You are missing on a Golden opportunity to have a intro with other guntubers and Charles. Somebody says "We are all guntubers" and then Charles shows up with pink glasses, camo and AR and goes "Ok. What kind of a guntuber are you ?" 😉
As a big fan of 1911s...This breaks my heart. I do recall learning years ago that the series 70 models were known for going off if dropped on the muzzle and that the series 80 models fixed that issue. I used to own and carry a Remington R1. I recall it being dropped several times, and it never discharged. However, it was not dropped on the muzzle. Thank you for doing this video and sacrificing your guns for our own education and entertainment. Could you do one with shotguns now? Remington 870, Mossberg 590,/500, Winchester 1300/SXP, and maybe a few semi autos, and double barrels?
I've never shot them side by side, but I understand the firing pin block added to the Series 80 degraded the trigger. As. result, I'm pretty sure a lot of the high end custom and semi-custom guns like Nighthawk, Wilson Combat, and Staccato are built on Series 70 frames.
Same. I’ve tried to replicate it with a 500, but all I did was knock the shell elevator prong out of alignment and it locked the gun up when I tried to rack it. Hence why I’m not a huge fan of Mossberg anymore
I remember when there was that controversy about the Staccato going off when dropped muzzle down, which I was shocked people were surprised by since that’s a known thing with Series 70 1911s. You get a nicer trigger, but it’s capable of slam firing. I built my double stack 1911 off a Para Ordnance frame, which is Series 80. Slightly mushier trigger due to the firing pin block (though still better than any other non-1911 trigger) and that is completely drop safe. The grip safety also safes the gun from the trigger being pulled by inertia, which is why I sensitized but don’t disable mine.
The results have it more like a drop comparison of _inertial pins & strikers vs non-inertial pins._ This was a really fun video, had me anticipating and guessing and freaking out with you guys when they discharged.
Folks, this is why Colt added the firing pin block safety years ago in their series 80. If you insist on using a 1911 (or 2011) type without a firing pin block safety, and this worries you, make sure you use an extra power firing pin spring in addition to a titanium firing pin.
@@albertlincoln1729No. The slides are based off the Colt Series 70 with no firing pin block. Colt still had the patent for the Series 80 with the FPB at the time. No one uses it because it takes away from the trigger feel.
@@danielhenderson8316 Eh, that’s not the reason the 2011s don’t have Series 80 components. The Series 80 firing pin block makes the trigger a bit mushier and heavier than a Series 70 trigger, so people who want the best possible trigger (given the 1911 is famous for having a great trigger) don’t go for Series 80 guns. Given 2011s were originally designed for competition (where you want the best possible trigger), that makes sense. Para Ordnance double stack 1911s pre-date the 2011 frame by a few years and those are Series 80. Built my custom gun off a Para frame, mostly because it had higher capacity magazines in .45ACP but also because I wanted the Series 80 components because it’s a carry gun. And a Series 80 1911 trigger, while worse than a Series 70 1911 trigger, is still better than any non-1911 trigger. Once you get used to getting through the mush to the true wall, it still breaks like a glass rod.
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You are on my Mt. Rushmore for GunTubers Garand, along with Paul Harrell, Hickok45 and Kentucky Ballistics. You're awesome sir!
Canik tp9sfx???
This hurts more than any whistlindiesel video ever.
Hello
I prefer to get my news from a more reliable source. GUN. MEME. REVIEW.
Mike missed the most important drop test, the drop of a different tree nuts onto the roof of a Florida police car.
LMAO
Acorns suppressed are dangerous
Yeah it's definitely them squirrels messin around!
100% AD's from every gun if this case happens 😂😂😂
💀 💀
People think drop tests could be silly, but to those folks we must remind them government employees exist
Yeah.... FED BOY
Ikr, the worst part is he picked it up by the trigger thats why it went off
Nice one 😂
Accurate.
Tell me you have no clue about operating a firearm without telling me you have no clue about operating a firearm.
"Is that serialized?"
"No, it just has some stupid numbers" 😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Gotdam hellcat people keep stealing these things 👨🏻🦳
@@mikewithers299 What is Know Your Rights?
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@@hussainukhpersia6376 go away
0:26 Died from self cringe
P320 issue were fixed in 2017. People been giving Sig shit (for good reason), but they act like they're the only brand with issues. I seen videos of people praising Staccato left and right, yet that one failed the test immediately.
Because people are just haters at times.
people conveniently forget that all gen 1 Glocks were recalled for drop issues.
🤓☝️ (you're not wrong though)
I think the hate is for the fact that SIG covered it up with a "voluntary upgrade" because they were in final negotiations for the M17 contract and were afraid of what would happen if they did a mandatory recall because their guns were mechanically unsafe.
Never, not once, did SIG tell people their guns were hazardous and shouldn't be used until they were fixed.
@@dancingferret6654 l take because you're incorrect in every way. A literal google search proves you wrong. Sad that you feel the need to make shit up to feel good about tour choices.
4:08 Beretta M9A4
5:14 M&P 2.0
5:53 XC 2011
7:00 Sandhawk 2011
7:40 SIG P320
9:00 SIG M17
9:52 P365 XMACRO
10:50 P226
11:34 Browing HI Power
12:29 Glock 17
12:59 Glock 47
12:32 Agency Glock 17
13:52 PSA Dagger
14:35 CZ75
15:52 Walther PDP
16:38 Nighthawk 1911
19:16 HK USP
19:44 Springfield Echelon
20:41 Archon TYPE B
21:47 HK MK23
You sir deserve my like.
He is a man of focus, commitment, sheer fucking will
Not at least having 1 Canik is a crime with how popular they are now
The man!!
thank you for your service
In before you're called a shill for Sig or Beretta or Glock or whatever gun company someone doesn't like.
People being mean on the internet? Come on Zach.
Garand Thumb is a confirmed shill for Webley & Scott, didn't test a single handgun from them!!1!
jokes on them, they shill for all the gun companies
Collab when?
He shills for PSA 🎉
I just gave my Mid 80's P226 and my early 80' BHP hugs , wrapped them in a warm blanket, and whispered softly, "i will never do that to you"
😂
I cried for those two specifically 😭
My mid-90s P226 is just so pretty 😍
I have a Legion 226 but I want a MK25 so badly.
My 2003 P226R cried.
The shot at 21:49 really brings home just how huge the MK23 is. It looks normal in isolation, but compared to the other pistols it's like something from the Fallout games. I'm surprised it didn't break the concrete.
I bet it looks like a normal pistol in Chuck Noris’s hands
I have a mk23 i shoot with a Rugged obsidian 45. With the suppressor its pretty much the same size as my B&T SPC9
Charlie: “Who would ever drop their guns?”
Me: *phone falls out of hand a second later*
I threw it on the ground
@@forsaken841like a boss?
If the phone had a pistol grip, you wouldnt drop it. 🤷♂️
@@forsaken841 I'm an adult ! MAN !!!
Dude I laughed so hard cause it happened right to me as I was reading your fucking comment 😂
Modern Day Martyrdom from Call of Duty
underrated comment
real
Noice
@@GarandThumb 🤣🤣🤣
Epic
"Drop it! Drop the weapon!"
Archer: Are you serious? Do you know how bad that is for it?
You had the same comment idea I had. But I didn't get any likes 😂
@swempley that's cuz your probably like me, and said some shot TH-cam didn't like before and now they bury ALL of your comments....
@@lunaticgaming7967 can't have people expressing genuine thoughts now can we?
@@lunaticgaming7967no wonder I never see my comments on yt anymore.
Nice (and expensive) video! There are a lot of SIG P320 haters that won't like these results but for those of us who aren't, this is long overdue. Thank you!
Ain’t that the truth
Kinda hurts to watch guns bounce off the concrete like that.
Agreed, but that's what they are made for.
I drop my tools on the ground all the time.
Tools. They're tools.
Like a shiny new cell phone 😅 makes you cringe indeed
@@The_Defiant_One it's a long distance hole punch.
tools not toys
the series 80's 1911's added a firing pin block that prevents firing pin travel without the trigger being depressed. a large portion of 1911 guys remove them outright because of how much they mess with trigger weight and pull consistency. thanks for notifying the world how much of a problem it is with 1911's. i'll make sure to keep it in the 1911 i carry if i ever do carry one.
Yeah, the Series 80 did a lot of improvements to the design, but none of them stuck for one reason or another.
Colt Series 80 ftw
@@yocapo32The new Sig 1911 is a series 80, and it's pretty damn great.
The safety prevented it from going off. So I think it's not so much the firing pin travel as the combined slide and firing pin travel. Also having a
I think the trigger pull difference is overblown.
I can tell but, I'll bet you 90% can't tell. My S80, which was the main carry gun for me for years, has a very good trigger.
Make sure they're not Baldwin blanks
ROFLMAO 🤣
After the Crow (Brandon Lee) I wouldn't trust even a real blank 😂
I cringed every single drop for this reason 😂
"Baldwin Blanks"
they're*
0:42 didnt even make it through the opening, a you earned my like. Comedic genius
In case you didn't know: All S70 1911/2011s will discharge if dropped muzzle down. There's no firing pin block present so inertia will send the firing pin forward
Yep and that's why the series 80, titanium firing pins and extra power firing pin springs are a thing.
Ruger addressed this by installing a titanium firing pin. Curious if the pistols shown here have them.
@@FishKepr The Staccato does not. Per their CS team, they ship with standard power firing pin springs and standard firing pins.
So if you zip tie two 2011s on either hand you can have some of the most deadly punches known to man.
Yep. I thought this was common knowledge. Surprised these guys didn’t realize that and seemed to question why it was happening.
The reason why the only guns that went off were the 1911 based guns was because of the firing pin block (or lack thereof on 1911s). On pretty much all modern pistols there is a piece of metal in the slide that physically blocks the firing pin from moving forward. This piece of metal is moved out of the way by a lever as you pull the trigger. AFAIK all the guns in this video aside from the 1911/2011s have one. The reason why those don't is because the 1911 wasnt originally designed with one, and the addition of the firing pin block makes the trigger slightly worse. In the 80s the military wanted their guns to be drop safe, so they required a change to the 1911. Colt added a firing pin block, and that became known as a series 80 1911, and 1911s without one are known as series 70.
Another notable gun without a firing pin block is the CZ Shadow series, because they're designed for competition use. Similar to the 1911s, if you drop them on the muzzle the firing pin's inertia can let it move forward and strike the primer, without the trigger or hammer moving at all. In other guns this is prevented by the firing pin block.
Great and accurate explanation.
Thank you. My same thought. They should mark your comment to be on top. Just below the one on Baldwin blanks
I believe a titanium firing pin with the right firing pin spring will prevent a discharge.
So why wasn't this added to the 2011 series. Pretty inexcusable to have a modern pistol fail a simple drop test even if it is based on a century old design.
@thoseovtheunlight723 because the double stack 1911 was created as a competition gun, and the FPB makes the trigger mushier.
If you really dropped SDI you should make a video explaining that because the tier 2 guntubers are blowing them up today for being a scam. I wouldn't wait.
I’ve done a lot of research on them before wanting to join but realized it’s just overpriced classes to learn stuff you could learn for free on TH-cam, so I’m assuming garand found that out and dropped them
They still link to SDI in the description.
@@AlexBergPlays While they don't want to get roasted for verbalizing an ad for them, they still get that sweet referral bonus.
@thtshiicray297 I went to SDI. Graduated from their associates program. I enjoyed it and learned a lot. Sure you can learn a lot from TH-cam, but you can run into a lot of misinformation and fudd lore, so you have to comb through TH-cam to make sure it's reliable. SDI employs professionals from the firearm industry.
@@rookshaw4974 Yet it seems no professionals want to hire from SDI (if the information is to be believed)
I love that the 2011s failed but are used almost exclusively in my training group by guys that ND regularly and bought the guns because of their failing grip strength and arthritis, very comforting.
you want real life scanarios. Plus they are old they can roll the dice
Mike : *_No SDI sponsorship today_*
Charlie : *_Unphazed, name-bombs them anyway, like a Sir_*
If SDI ever needed to be the sponsor of an episode regarding failure of a firearm when dropped from chest height...
Fewer gi bills for them to snag
@@albusplaustrum06whuuuuut can you explain a little? This is news to me
SDI is a scam
SDI is currently being exposed for their overpriced & unless course/qualification.
The TH-cam channel "DeskPop" made a good video explaining it
Watching these slo-mo videos of guns falling also reinforces the lesson my grandfather taught me when it comes to carrying firearms: “A falling gun is all trigger. Just let it fall and hope for the best. It probably won’t go off.”.
There’s no way to safely catch a falling gun, and the slo-mo proves that. They’re spinning and bouncing all over the place. Would be too easy to accidentally cycle the trigger while trying to get a handle of the pistol.
Same logic as the famous quote "A falling knife has no handle".
i learnt that lesson when my cactus plant fell off a windowsill and i successfully caught it
good advice, learned that about knives the hard way too, still got the scar on my hand
SO TRUE. I’m a grandfather and I’ve taught my grandsons to “let it fall.”
Taught my electronically-skilled grandson the same thing about soldering irons. I only made that mistake once in 8 years of USN aircraft gear electronics repair. It’s a quick teacher. 😂
I had a coworker who successfully saved the cheap laminate flooring of a previous workplace by catching a beaker of sulfuric acid before it could stain that pretty floor. He, in hindsight, regrets being so thoughtful.
That OC/"whatcha say" meme in the intro was lovely! Well done!
Dear sister nostalgia lol
Felt like 2012 was back
"Imogen Heap, Hide And Seek" look it up... Not Jason Derulo he sampled it .. Good ear though mang I thought the same. Must be a commom effect on protools or somthing. lol
Watched that episode as it first came out in real time, was a good cliff hanger and song!!🤘
@@louie088 thank you. Makes sense. Jason is too much of a talentless hack to have produced something like that
I carry a sig p320 drive legion I love it, it’s my favorite. Watching it pass the test when everyone swears it’s dangerous, makes me feel good. (Especially after you guys even dropped it from 12 feet about 4 times.)
All 1911s built to Browning's original design will go off when dropped specifically on the muzzle. That's because the only thing holding the firing pin back is the firing pin spring, so the force of dropping the gun on the muzzle gives the firing pin enough forward momentum to overcome the strength of the spring and the firing pin moves forward and hits the primer. This is also why the 1911s didn't go off when dropped on the rear of the slide.
This can potentially be eliminated or at least mitigated by using a titanium firing pin. Firing pins are traditionally hardened steel, so they have more mass moving forward. The lighter weight of titanium means there (generally) won't be enough forward momentum in the firing pin to set off the primer when the gun is dropped on the muzzle.
This is why Colt (the only company making 1911s at the time) developed the "Series 80" in the 1980's. It added a firing pin block to the original 1911 design which prevents the firing pin from moving forward unless the trigger is pulled. This is the same type of safety that is present on all "modern" guns...including the other ones tested in this vid. That's why none of them went off. A series 80-style 1911 would've "passed" this test.
why do you think it didn't go off with the safety ON?
why dont all the more modernized 1911s have this feature though? seems kinda like a massive oversight. an original 1911 i can see why theyd fail these tests, but to what i know at very least the 2011 should have this mechanism no?
@@sniperh2o325better trigger if it doesn’t have the series 80 “feature”, and titanium firing pins are more expensive to manufacture. That easy.
@@sniperh2o325 Series 80 components make the trigger a bit mushier, so anyone who wants the best possible trigger (something the 1911 is famous for) always goes for Series 70. Given the 2011 was originally designed for competition, it makes sense why they’d go for a Series 70 design.
Para Ordnance made double stack 1911s with Series 80 firing pin blocks, though. I built my custom 1911 off that frame primarily because it had higher capacity .45ACP magazines, but also because it was Series 80. The trigger is still better than any non-1911 trigger and is fully drop safe (with 15+1 rounds of .45ACP flush fit).
@@sniperh2o325 they make staccatos and other high end 1911/2011s as Series 70s (without firing pin block) because the trigger is objectively better without a firing pin block
I appreciate the extra amount of testing done with the p320🙏
Unfortunately not all p320 are created equal some still have issues
Pretty sure thet had an issue when they came out first at a specific impact angle, which is not tested at trials. But they revised and fixed that issue pretty quickly. If I remember correctly, there was a recall, where they would send you the fxed part.
So all the comments about the p320 being unsafe is no longer true? @thorwaldjohanson2526
Yes. Whoever says "some still have issues" is either making it up out of bias, or they're talking about one of the first models before the recall and fix.
@@decoyhunter8832 one specific one they like to cite as "proof" they're still not drop safe is a cop who legged himself where it's unclear if he even dropped it and the department did not send their first gen 320's back to sig for the recall they had their armorer who was "sig certified" do the safety upgrade (which requires milling, which I'm totally sure he had in a police armory lol)
As a P320 owner, I might have to switch to Staccato.
Why not both? I have both.
@@xtexasxfightx When I have the funds sure!
I was gonna say myself
I was promised sudden combustion while holstered, what the hell is this *actually safe* bullshit?
I see what you did there. My P320 is laughing in it's holster
@@floofyboi7546 That's because rumors that go around about guns can get started from one incident, then they get shared around by countless people who don't know anything. It's no different from Olight being a fire hazard. 0.1% of the people saying that don't have any idea why they are saying it. It's just supposed to make them look like they know what they are talking about.
Beretta M9A4 - 4:07
S&W M&P 2.0 - 5:15
Staccato XC 2011 - 5:52
Nighthawk Custom Sandhawk 2011 - 7:03
Sig P320 - 7:40
Sig M17 - 8:59
Sig P365 XMacro Legion - 9:54
Sig P226 - 10:51
Browning HP - 11:34
Glock 17 - 12:29
Glock 47 - 13:01
Agency Glock 17 - 13:31
PSA Dagger - 13:58
CZ 75 Cajunized - 14:36
Walther PDP - 15:52
Nighthawk 1911 .45 ACP - 16:39
HK USP Expert - 19:18
Springfield Echelon - 19:46
Archon Firearms Type B - 20:43
HK MK23 - 21:49
Thanks!
Noo I spent so long making timestamps
No Hellcat or Shield Plus or P10…
@@StevenL00take if from the other striker fired, they would have been fine
Well aren't you just a little overachiever...
Garand Thumb, you broke your CZ75 for us to make this video. You're a real one for that man.
"You're gonna have to send it back in to those Cajuns dude" haha
No big loss.
@@singleproppilot found the staccato guy ^
Those tiny hammer engagement surface 😥 cz factory competition guns don't even make the engagement surface that small.
@@singleproppilot Thank you for your words of wisdom. I'm sure everyone can benefit here today from such groundbreaking advice.
I just realized Charlie and Micah are two different people
🤣😂
They are?
At night time they are 1.
😂😂
While they’re technically two different people, they both share some extra chromosomes so it’s okay.
This is pretty easily your funniest intro, really excellent.
"Is it serialized?"
"Naw, it's just got some stupid numbers on it"
Comedy gold lol
Haha yeah dude just like hawk tuah aha gold!
He is witty
When you are ok with dropping a Nighthawk Custom pistol on concrete, you have reached the upper levels of guntuber lore.
Yeah, that takes a huge dose of IDGAF to drop a Nighthawk on concrete like that.
@nc_classics9767 The fuck? He dropped a Night Hawk. ???
@@thetobaccoguy1751 did you watch the video?
13:57 "Ever taken a photocopy of a photocopy and it doesn't come out as well?"
"yeah like when you get with your 1st cousin" 💀
💀 💀 💀
Love it when watching while reading comment. 👍
@@jacobcastro1885 I do the same 🤣
Charlie has to stay mic'ed the entire time. You never know what he'll say and it comes quick.
Yeah they completely no sold him on that one. I was dying 😂
I got an ad at 4:22 that had grand thumb in it and I was like is this part of the video
If LiveLeak has taught me anything, it's that most sidearms going off when they get dropped it's because someone missed their holsters.
RIP LiveLeak
Missed with all but their finger (into the trigger guard)
Cap the weapon with the left hand while NOT covering the barrel, and then holster.
What if I have something in my non dominant hand?
That's what pockets are for!!!!
What if I'm not wearing pants with packets?
Stop wearing spandex pants without pockets freaks!!!!
@@Renenko What is Know Your Rights?
Every year, tens of thousands of men and women are raped, sexually assaulted, and sexually harassed by active duty servicemembers. Since 2011, Protect Our Defenders has been working hard to reform the military justice system to ensure that victims are protected from their assailants and from retaliation by their chain of command and fellow servicemembers. Over the years, it has become apparent that victims - military and civilian - are not always informed of the rights that are afforded to them. Protect Our Defenders is launching Know Your Rights in order to provide a comprehensive resource to both active duty and civilian victims of military sexual violence, sexual harassment, and retaliation.
@@realitynow4342 What is Know Your Rights?
Every year, tens of thousands of men and women are raped, sexually assaulted, and sexually harassed by active duty servicemembers. Since 2011, Protect Our Defenders has been working hard to reform the military justice system to ensure that victims are protected from their assailants and from retaliation by their chain of command and fellow servicemembers. Over the years, it has become apparent that victims - military and civilian - are not always informed of the rights that are afforded to them. Protect Our Defenders is launching Know Your Rights in order to provide a comprehensive resource to both active duty and civilian victims of military sexual violence, sexual harassment, and retaliation.
If your P320 has the SRT, you're good to go. People, including law enforcement and military guys, are having dumb negligent discharges and then just defaulting to blaming the gun because it's a P320 and had the bad drop issue at launch. The voluntary upgrade is there for a reason, primarily for the newer sear assembly in the FCU. If you have a day 1 p320, sure, don't drop it at the specific angle.
Sig only did a voluntary upgrade though. They didn't do a recall. There's still plenty of dangerous pistols in circulation and sig is being sued because of this. It's pure negligence or greed on their part.
@@misanthropy6690 all recalls are technically voluntary upgrades. Nobody from Sig is going to go door to door demanding to fix your weapon. Just like how your vehicle isn't going to stop driving because of a recall... You as the owner have to voluntarily drive to the dealership to have the recall repaired.
@misanthropy6690 its still the owners responsibility, not sigs. Sig can't force u to send it back.
No they are not.
@xakepbamfsol but you still send your car back to the dealer to fix the recall tho right?
Man, I would love for one of you gun tubers to recreate the accident that left me paralyzed. I was on a hunting trip when I was 12 and as we were bent over the creek cleaning our squirrels, the person to my left had their single action revolver slip out of their pocket. it was uncocked and less than a foot drop, but went off hitting me square in the neck (thankfully missing major arteries, but hit my spinal cord). I've been at peace with it for years, but the more videos I see like this, the more I yearn for a visualization to help me comprehend how things went down. Anyway, fantastic video fellas!
On single action revolvers the hammer rests on a live round so its common to only load 5 and rest the hammer on an empty chamber. I would assume your hunting partner had the hammer resting on a live round so when the gun dropped on the hammer it fired
Know the make or model? I’m guessing non transfer bar gun with firing pin resting on a primer. Colt SAAs with firing pins on the hammer were mostly carried with 5 rounds so as to not risk this. Sorry to hear about your misfortune
@@ronenton4037 yeah that’s what I thought for the past 18 years. I’m just saying that it would still be cool to see a recreation since I didn’t get a chance to watch everything unfold since I was the one being shot and my mind lost consciousness for the first two or three minutes 😂 i’m a visual person so for closure it would be nice to see how hard it would be to re-create that entire thing. We were less than 2 feet away from each other and to strike me perfectly where it did not kill me still blows my mind.
Really sorry to hear that buddy
@@c5roller I think it's one of those situations where recreating the bullet being fired would be (relatively) simple, but recreating the shot placement would be statistically impossible. Even with an aimed shot, it would be pretty hard to hit the spine in the neck without causing fatal damage. You know how it is, complete severance that high in the spine, and the heart n lungs don't even work anymore.
Amazing. I watched this without sound and my head automatically went to the SNL skit from the early 2000s. Absolutely outstanding. Thank you. Also good video in general.
The obvious common denominator here is the lack of a firing pin safety. Doesn't matter if the safety is on or off. Doesn't matter if it's cocked. If there's nothing to arrest the forward motion of the firing pin, inertia will be enough. This is one reason why companies like Springfield shipped (don't know if they still do), 1911's with a titanium firing pin. It was to reduce the mass because of this potential issue.
Regarding the 1911 I assume the three examples were all based on what Colt calls the series 70 (or historically original) firing pin setup. The series 80 (which most 1911 lovers don't like) has an extra firing pin safety specifically to make it more drop safe. I recommend seeking out something in that configuration in a part 2.
This
Yes this is correct try a new with firing pin safety and see if will fire
its like they were completely unaware of this, never mentioned it
Yes, I was also waiting for them to mention firing pin safeties. Also worth mentioning the Ruger SR1911 which is a Series 70, but with a lightweight titanium pin, which *presumably* is too light to set the primer off from a drop.
There was always this wisdom about a lighter firing pin and/or heavier firing pin spring making the 'Series 70' guns more drop safe. Probably something they could test out.
My mother who was really big into collecting firearms was one of the leading forces for drop safety’s being required in modern firearms for commercial market. My brother James Lee Osborne was killed by a revolver drop accident back in 81 and she sued the manufacturer not requesting a dime but requesting drop safety’s be added to all the companies handguns. Rip LEAB 04/13/1943-04/20/2010
I 100% agree but the only other person who was there said they were playing on rocks and it fell out of one of the oldschool cowboy holsters and went off shooting him through the lower jaw through the top of his head. She did an investigation on the other boy because it’s reasonable that he may have shot him instead but all forensics and Leo reports came back that with the scuffing on the gun and the angle it was almost positively a drop incident. I’ve thought about posting a video on all of it with all the reports because the incident as a whole is wild. She was in Virginia while leaving them alone at the condo in AZ. Multiple times people close to her in va thought she had him killed.
I ain't reading the essay
@@lowvislewis9080you 100% agree with yourself?
@@davidhoffman6980he agrees with his mom most likely, but what do I know , I’m not a dipshit.
@@PROFESSIONALCRASHOUT you think his mom used his profile to leave a comment and he later replied to her comment on the same profile?
The opening had me cracking up. Very good and played out.
That callback to the SNL/Lonely Island skit was amazing.
Agreed, enjoyed that!
The SNL skit was mocking the show The OC.
@@charlesthe9aulHow dare you denigrate the City of Chino like that
Time stamp?
@@cd2028 intro
I had to hold back a tear when the Sig P226 was up. Of course it would PASS. The words spoken just after 11:10 sums up how all vintage P226 owners feel about them.
Mine is a 1984 model “Made In West Germany” on the slide. It’s never missed a beat or broken a part. It’s “my Baby” of the collection ❤️.
Outstanding video!
Agreed, my triple stamped 1993 W. German P228 is a gun I will never sell
I've got a 1983 P6 that was issued to the Frankfurt region while I was living in that region, which makes it extra cool. It will stay in my collection til I die.
I have a 1978 WG P6 🥹 I would never
My Sig P226 was my first duty gun. Carried her on many long nights....tear.
Best duty pistol ever made
here is all the guns and times they where dropped enjoy :D
Beretta m9a4 4:00
smith & wesson m&p 2.0 5:15
staccato xc 2011 5:52
nighthawk custom sandhawk 2011 7:02
sig sauer p320 7:36
sig sauer m17 8:59
sig sauer p365 xmacro legion 9:54
sig sauer p226 10:49
browning hi power 11:30
glock 17 gen 3 12:30
glock 47 gen 5 12:59
agency glock 17 13:30
psa dagger 13:56
cz75 14:36
walther pdp 15:50
nighthawk custom 1911 16:39
hk usp expert 19:17
springfield echelon 19:45
archon firearms type b 20:40
hk mk23 21:48
Good job, thanks dawg
TYFYS
@@taylerdarlas1589 we salute you kind sir or madam
Legend
What annoys me about Garand Thumb's "tests" is that he owns gay exotic nonsense nobody on the planet gives a damn about. Literally half those guns cost well over $2,000. "Is your pistol drop safe", as long as you own a Glock, Sig, or you're one of the thankfully-dwindling number of affective assholes who still cares about 1911s.
A good set of tests. Thanks for producing the video!
It was distressing, however, to watch you drop all those nice pistols onto hard concrete.
Intro is S tier. One of the best SNL clips of it's generation.
That intro is what half the population thinks a P320 does the moment you place it on the table.
Ik this vid was great showing how the internet and one video with no conclusive evidence ruined that gun
@@chase8289 P320's were not drop safe before the redesign.
@@NouSkionbut the myth continues on is what they’re both sayin bubba, it’s just not the case anymore. Hasn’t been for a while either.
@@NouSkionkeep coping brother. Safer than a $3000 2011.
@@MichaelKLee-jf7qs That's not true, though. Since the upgrade program was voluntary, there are still plenty of P320's out there without a thinned out trigger and modified sear assembly/manual disconnect.
So, most 1911s don't have enough mass in the firing pin for inertia to overcome the spring and ignite a primer. The reason they fire is the mass and geometry of the sear, which is why they don't fire with the thumb safety engaged or when dropped on the rear. The thumb safety directly engages the sear, the grip safety only prevents the trigger from moving. When the frame and slide suddenly stop muzzle down the sear will rotate forward disengaging the hammer. This is also aggravated by most modern 1911 hammers being made with far less aggressive half-cock notches than traditional. This issue has been addressed in a number of ways, heavier firing pin springs, lighter firing pins, and most effectively the Schwartz style, aka colt series-80, firing pin block. The Kimber style series-80 is activated by the grip safety and theoretically could disengage itself with a muzzle down impact.
Literally the first person that seems to understand this. Many 1911s and 2011s are series 70 so they don't have the sear block. The reason manufacturers produce these guns in this format is because albeit only a little bit, the sear does put extra spring pressure on the trigger and makes for a slightly less clean break, most of these pistols are purpose built for precision target shooting and not a defensive or combat situation so the bumps and jolts shouldn't be as much of a factor and even if they are they're in a controlled environment. The included manual safety alleviates this issue as long as it's engages so if you plan on carrying a 1911 or 2011 it's easy to check whether you have a series 70 or 80 just by removing the slide and looking to see if there is a firing pin sear block, but either way it's a 1911 and they usually have incredibly light triggers so if you're gonna carry one I'd train carry with the manual safety engaged.
Interesting point! In the video, though, the hammers only dropped to half-cock--it SEEMS like these pistols discharged without the hammer dropping all the way. Am I misunderstanding your comment?
Guess you missed the part where the hammer was still engaged despite the slide not reciprocating. The 2011s fired because the sudden stop compressed the firing pin spring just enough to engage the primer. If you put a titanium firing pin and a stiffer spring it would be deterred from happening. I’ve done so with a couple of mine after doing a mallet test to see if it would fire. Does not fire after swapping those 2 components
@@chrisnorman1430 Right, I totally get that they are more for competition or a "controlled environment" the problem is I see $2500+ Stacatto's being issued to PD's instead of just a $500 Glock.
@@vickdizang Damn! Not saying you're lying but what PD is getting Stacattos? Around me it's all glocks and the occasional Sig.
You guys are just the right amount of comedic relief I need from my life 👍
Years ago, the Dutch police wasn't allowed to have a bullet in the chamber of their gun (The Walther P99Q-NL was new back then), because of this. People got shot when the gun fell, either from mis-holstering or dropping it. All happened "during training exercises" of course (lol), and they had it fixed within a year after introduction.
I don't understand why anyone keeps one in the chamber. For a community that is so big on gun safety, why thats where you draw the line is beyond me.
Because with a proper holster, it is completly safe to have one in the chamber.
I carry every day. Everywhere. Imagine in that small chance I need my firearm to protect myself, whose to say I will have time to chamber a round. I might have a kid in one hand. I might have 4 bags of groceries in one hang. I might have big fat winter gloves. Why would I add another step to the process of presenting a firearm? Carrying without one in the chamber also presents a higher chance (not high, but higher) of you short stroking the slide or something and causing a jam.
You could even be tackled by a guy, and now your on your back getting your face smacked in, and you think you'll readily be able to rack that slide without something going wrong?
One in the chamber or not, I don't care, but it is foolish to claim that carrying with one in the pipe is unsafe.
@@kleanish
@@kleanish Because when you need to use it, it works best when actually loaded and ready to fire.
@@capella95 I think the chance the gun fires on accident because it has a round in the chamber for whatever reason is higher than the chance that the time saved from having a round in the chamber has an meaningful impact on the the situation needing to use the gun, which is already very very rare.
Once again, everyone is hypocrytical when it comes to gun safety and +1 hand guns. Why have the safety on? Why have the bolt open? Why separate the ammunition and the weapon? Why point the barrel in the air? Need I go on..
@@kleanishthe difference is I am operating from knowing something, and you operate from "I think". And that's okay to be ignorant, but be receptive.
Your questions at the end of the comment, what's your point? There are many scenarios where you would have your bolt shut, because you don't want sand getting in it. Why have the safety on? Because I am not ready to fire. Most of these boil down to safe transport law.
But we are talking about defensive shooting. Your statements about likelyhood are false. If I need my gun to defend my life ( and once I was in that scenario, I tried to de-esculate and withdraw, but was pursued) I want it ready to go NOW. Because seconds matter.
When planning for the unexpected you can't expect a perfect scenario where you can rack the slide. Again, you're probably caught off guard, you're working, you're tired, it's dark out, and adding extra steps to a life threatening scenario is just unwise.
Again, it's 2024, the majority of handguns are drop safe. I have dry fired holster drills THOUSANDS of times. I have educated people to do the same. Not once has my firing pin dropped on accident. I even dropped my gun once, didn't go off.
The really only way I know a gun to go off is if you got a zipper or coat string ect dangling in your holster, which could catch your trigger. Even then there are passive safetys to mitigate this, and in top of that, just look at your damn holster before you carefully place the gun back in it.
You claim there's a hypocrisy about gun safety, and it is clear you have no standing to make that claim. When most everyone citizens who carries daily, Swat cops, federal agents, firearm instructors, special forces, all carry with one in the pipe, can you stop and think maybe there's good reason for it.
The problems you see with carrying with one in the chamber just aren't reality frankly.
Just sat down on the toilet, impecable timing
Hope it was a silky smooth 2 wiper push for you king..
Samezies…
Just read your comment as I sat down on the toilet as well
Impeccable has 2 C's my man 💪
Same
Absolutely flawless reference for the intro 🤌🏼
When I bought my Glock 17 Gen 2 in 1992, the store had a Glock Rep there to answer questions. He also had a VHS/TV playing video of Glock Inc’s torture testing of the G17. I was actually going to buy a Beretta 92 (love that gun from Lethal Weapon movies) After watching the video of Glock dropping a G17 G2 from a helicopter from maybe 50 feet or so without a drop fire, as well as no damage other than cosmetic. Over 32 years of daily carry and maybe 15,000 rounds through it, it has never failed me. I would not trade it for any other side arm. I did get an Italian Beretta 92… What a beautiful gun. Shoots great, but I love my Glock.
You've only been to the range 15 times in 32 years?
Second that
Time for a new barrel bro
I had a Beretta 92 for a couple of years starting around 1998. It was pretty and I liked the grip, but the trigger was awful and it ejected brass at a higher and higher angle as it got dirty. 50 to 75 rounds in after the last cleaning it would be bouncing brass off of my shooting glasses.
Glad it has worked well. most modern arms work very well. as a law enforcement Advanced Glock Armorer (which means I paid them extra money), I have performed maintenance on 1000's of Glock pistols for LE over the past 30-years. I can tell you that Glocks fail like any other firearm. I have personally witnessed cracked locking blocks, broken locking block pins, broken trigger bar springs, broken trigger pins, bent trigger bars, gouged/worn sears, worn (failed) firing pin safeties, broken slide rails, broken or failed slide stop springs, front sights loose, broken trigger safeties....whew! And Glock has issued innumerable "upgrades" for LE due to design corrections. But this is not unique to the Glock. All mechanical items wear, break, fail, etc. Carried a Glock for almost two decades as a police officer before my agency switched to S&W 2.0's. What a difference and glad we made the change. But when it comes to fighting with a handgun, the best is the one I'm holding when I need it the most.
“ I would never let a deer inside me “ most definitely an alien in a cat suit type vibe 😂😂😭
@@hussainukhpersia6376 Cool
Charlie 😂😂😂
@@hussainukhpersia6376Talk to your own people.
Bot?
Shikanoko Nokonoko Koshitantan intensifies
Do a soap drop test next
😂
Will your soap survive
That'd be a pain in the butt to record
😂
This mf 😂
As an owner of two new 320 M-18's and a 365...BLESS YOU! I've seen alot of stuff out on the internet and was starting to have cultivated paranoia. But I think I'm seeing that the lawsuit was probably due more to the user somehow unintentionally activating a trigger system which is always "cocked". Anyway, I feel better about my purchases! Thanks again!
Charles not even flinching at the stacato makes me laugh so hard for some reason 😂
That was pretty good
he was expecting it
Even though many modern pistols are designed with this in mind, it’s always good to see real-world tests to back up those claims.
Yeah
Not exactly scientific or conclusive by any means though.
Would need many samples with many drops to really tell anything conclusively.
@TheDarksideFNothing yeah only conclusive ones are the ones that went off.
@@TheDarksideFNothing Or impact testing with a nylon hammer to cover all angles and force, with repeatability and consistency.
@@TheDarksideFNothing Its pretty conclusive. If it has a firing pin block, it wont go off. Physically impossible. Guns that dont have one.... Will go off
@@mynameisjeff6988 Did you ever do that egg dropping contest in grade school where you're supposed to design a device to protect an egg from breaking when you drop it from a tall spot?
My design ended up ejecting the egg into the grass....miraculously unbroken. But I only had to drop it once, so I passed. However, I doubt it would have consistently passed the test if I had dropped it 10,000 times at different angles on different surfaces... Are you seeing my point?
We can draw SOME conclusions from what we saw. One conclusion might be "Not having a firing pin block seems to be a mistake for safety." Another might be "Wow the ones that went off are really not very drop safe at all under these conditions."
What we cannot say is that the guns that didn't go off WONT EVER go off. All we can say is they didn't this time.
If we dramatically increase the testing we could see a failure rate emerge or find a specific drop angle that the design doesn't handle well.
Once you run this test with many more angles and MANY MANY more drops you can start to do things like suggesting a gun is effectively drop safe because it never went off in testing. With a big enough sample size it becomes conclusive in the negative.
The problem is you're trying to prove a negative. You can't reeeeaaallly do that in most circumstances. But you can demonstrate that it is vanishingly unlikely, which can be basically just as good. But it takes a LOT of data.
The P320 had issues with the first gen model. Sig admitted if the gun was dropped at a 30 degree angle, the weight of the trigger would depress the trigger causing the gun to fire. After the complaints, Sig released a voluntary upgrade and all new P320s came with upgraded triggers and FCGs which make it impossble for the gun to fire. The P320s you dropped had the upgraded triggers and FCG which is noted by the thin triggers. The original triggers were more than twice as thick.
The more you know
Came here to say this thank for beating me to it 👍
@@cbob3605 so 5 feet is obscene? cause I've seen drop videos with the original trigger... and it wasn't high heights.
Thanks for the clarity
A more accurate description from Sig on the fix
"The P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program is a SIG SAUER initiative to upgrade P320 pistols at no additional cost. This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector."
The additional mechanical disconnector was probably the most SIGnificant fix for the problem...
Just inherited my dad’s P226 as he just passed. It was his duty pistol when he was security out in the Nevada test range for 20+ years. And they let him keep it when he retired. Glad she passed the test🫡
Please do videos on the following:
-Shotgun Mud test
-Review the ARAK-21
-Which is better the PKM or the M240B?
-Possible Sand Tests for the future?
-How good are mini shotgun shells vs 2 3/4?
-Invite all the GunTubers you can to Idaho with a rifle that they would take into combat and have them run drills and compete with each other to see which rifle set up would work best.
Genius ideas!
love the last one (Lucas Botkin is for sure using an AERO lower with an BCM upper and an ACOG on top)
The mudtest was already done by inrange
These are actually all very good ideas
AK Jesus would bring the AK50 😂
I think the variable that you forgot to account for on the SIGs was making sure a desk cop dropped it 😂
Gotta have doughnut residue too .
That stuff is insidious ...
On coffee stained carpet?
@@hussainukhpersia6376 nice schizo rant, I'm not reading it
lol
a lot of "incidents" were not incidents it seems, allegedly
As an employee of Sig Sauer, that test of the 320 made me extremely pumped.
Congratulations, you don't have to fill out a RCCA 😂
No one cares, they still suck
Yeah buddy! I love my M18
Im sure you were holding your breath.
Would never carry one
Common thread I noticed, pretty much because I own essentially every gun in the lineup, is that the 1911s are the only ones that lack firing pin safeties. The early 320s lacked the firing pin safety too IIRC.
23:24 The subtle dry humps got me.
Fuuuuuu didn't see that 😂
What if he didn’t want anyone to see that and was accidentally exposing himself on camera doing it subconsciously 😭
Was looking for this comment hahha
23:24 - i have never seen Charlie awkward in my life until this moment. He realised how it looked but didnt know what to do🤣🤣🤣
lmao ya know I was incidentally watching that and I couldn't even focus on what Garand Thumb was saying during that part lmao
Doggy style
Thanks for sacrificing your pistols for this. I really enjoy watching your videos each week. One of the best parts of my week.
Hats off for ground news ad. No sdi scm anymore!
I was not prepared for this opening reference
What makes me sad is that there are actually "people" here who literally weren't alive when that meme (and we didn't even call them memes then) was big.
Mmmm whatcha say,
Mmmm that you only meant well?
I see you, friend.
SNL Digital Shorts 2.0 ....
an internet classic that surpasses most current year memes
I can smell the plume of smoke bellowing out of T.rex Arms nostrils because of this video 😂
@@RADukura no kidding. Smells like Reign Energy too.
Haha that fast talking paint ball boy who’s voice hasn’t changed yet lol
Why's that? He's not a 2011 guy is he?
@@xtrm.mayhem4098 nah they just dont like "silly" videos, any gun content where your not strictly doing drills is "unserious" and going to "turn the common man against us". Basically the "don't larp or wear outfits/gear its bad and unserious" gun crowd take except they dialed it the polar opposite way and said "if you aint ALL LARP ALL THE TIME you're unserious"
@HalooINC ah I see. Yeah I'm not 100% in disagreement with his take on "silly" videos. However at the same time it's a "mostly" free country so the "silly" video creators can do what they want even tho I think it's sure helps the gun grabber leftist look at us as a joke.
The “Dear Sister” SNL skit parallel is brilliant!
Proof snl hasn't been funny for a good decade at this point.
Another great video! Hopefully in the next one you can clear up the massive differences between a series 70/80 1911/2011 for all those that have no idea. Those newer less knowledgeable members of the gun community will get the wrong message. Maybe also include revolvers and detail why older models fire when dropped while most new ones do not. The “new” people probably make up the largest percentage of our community or soon will obviously. They didn’t even exist pre and post internet, lol. So they didn’t learn and actually experience the changes in modern gun design, use and safety. Too many still must be taught that shotguns don’t blow people backwards or make it impossible to miss a target. TV and Movies are the only education that so many newcomers have until we teach them.
I love that you dropped the p320 a dozen times just to prove a point. So many people sware that it's unsafe
I could be wrong, and i'm sure the internet will let me know, but I thought most of those drop test issues were gen1 P320s. Sig made some changes to the internals to address those concerns and allowed owners to have their gen1s "fixed" for free. This part i know is real because I own a gen1 and sent it in. Not over the concerns of the "test" results, but because all after market, and I assume Sig also, triggers etc. were only compatible with the "fixed" version.
Mine is still completely stock, but I have considered getting a flat trigger for it. So I at least know I can if i want to.
@@billcaruso9599 they also dropped a gen 1
@@billcaruso9599yes to the first one about the issue being sort of resolved by Sig, no clue about compatibility though I don’t see why it wouldn’t.
Don’t trust me though a shop might be able to give you a good answer
You think these tests invalidated all the issues people have seen with them? Think again
@@dipsylogic1715 issues on tape where shown to be user issue. one where it was improperly holstered, and another where is finger was in the trigger guard while he upholstered it. i haven't seen a video tape where it went off by itself, and not manipulated to do so.
Seeing all these handguns dropped on the concrete hurts my soul 😭
I wanna know how those OPTICS held up too....
@@captin3149I'd imagine just fine. They're made to withstand drops like that. Overton windex has good optic torture videos.
Could've at least used oak plank.
@captin3149 yea, why not take em off lol. Would be cool to see how well they* hold 0 after a drop tho
@@countryboy4542should have used just some spray on trucked liner on the concrete so it would scratch a little less. Or rubberized paint with a thin layer to reduce the abrasion
Dropped faster than Charlie gets dropped by advertisers
Guess you don't like his shirt....
Who is Charlie?
I love his shirt…Sua Sponte
Did a commie get triggered
Nope, he isn’t getting dropped by anyone 🤷🏻♂️
Great test. Makes me feel better with my purchase of the Sig P320 Snakebite I just bought.
Dude, the memes/skits at the beginning of your vids are the best... More MEMES with funny audio
It helps the algorithm to. It is all about retaining the viewer for at least 30 seconds. People are accustomed to rapid fire content in short bursts, tik tok made everyone else emulated them.
**I HATE COMMIES**
Matthew McConaughey cigarette inhale meme: Me watching GarandThumb's pistol collection progressively DROP in value.
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(laughing in gun price rising faster than bidenflation)
A Garand thumb ad on a Garand thumb video. Love it.
The intro was great, love this drop test. You should do a part 2 with other brands and models
I think it's worth mentioning that it was only early production Sig P320s that had drop safety issues, which were all subject to a recall. Both of the guns in the video are post-recall, which can be visually determined by the shape of the trigger shoe. The early guns had a beefier looking trigger, while those of the post-recall guns are much slimmer.
Thanks for that info. I've been wondering why I see such a disparity between p320 owners who swear it's 100% safe and those who say 100% unsafe. I'm now thinking the "unsafers" just didn't know about/didn't get the recall.
They weren’t recalled. That’s the point. Sig called it a Voluntary Upgrade.
@@michaelberman2376 Glock had to do a voluntary recall in the early 90s because they had machining issues with some slides that could cause out of battery detonations. But nobody is wary of owning a Glock.
@@michaelberman2376 What people also seem to forget is, that while SIG did do the voluntary upgrade for those early models, and on later models made them to Voluntary Upgrade Spec, they could never recreate the P320 firing when dropped.
@@robwoodring9437 the issue is that when this first happened sig did a voluntary upgrade instead of a total recall to save money, meaning those original models with those issues are still in circulation right now
No uzi falling down the steps, dropped by Jamie Lee Curtis?
I knew a private whose M9 fell out of his holster getting in a HMMVV and got dragged behind it by his lanyard down the highway for a very long time. The hammer and most of the slide were shredded away yet still had the round in the chamber and fired. I wish I still had the pics. To this day, you can still hear the yells from the smoking he received echoing through a certain base in Iraq.
I think that was a Mac 10 and I watched this hoping for some references.
nice reference! As a troop in Germany in 91 we were rolling in the back of a 2 1/2 ton truck. we would tie our slings thru the bows on the canvas top. We found out this works for things up to and including M203's but not for M60's. It slipped the sling and tumbled down the autobahn. The WW2 barracks walls could not drown out the screaming. Yeah he had to pay for it.
True lies😂
@@brianking9446 Vehicle still rolling, Sir I dropped my m60! *gets pushed out the truck still moving... Well go get it.
That was and M-10 not an Uzi bruh.😂
Intro was golden. Sear engagement is platinum. 👌 Watch your six when Charles is around. 😂
The problem with the Sig 320 from what I recall was that the trigger was heavy enough that the impact would "pull" the trigger, not that it didn't have internal safeties or that they failed.
That means to replicate the issue it needs to impact on the back of the slide, if it impacts on the frame the slide might go out of battery and block the striker/trigger.
But what if a secret service agent drops her pistol on a slightly sloped roof?
That is a completely absurd scenario. She would never have been up there to begin with.
Not probable because SS agents can't navigate sloped roofs
There's a roof? 😅
Wait, where's my holster? I can't find it because of my muffin top!
DEI hires
@@ahole5407Basically.
@GarandThumb
You are missing on a Golden opportunity to have a intro with other guntubers and Charles.
Somebody says "We are all guntubers" and then Charles shows up with pink glasses, camo and AR and goes "Ok. What kind of a guntuber are you ?" 😉
One that shoots trash or not?
😂
I appreciate every episode with Charles.
Literally the best commentary in any of your videos yet!
As a big fan of 1911s...This breaks my heart. I do recall learning years ago that the series 70 models were known for going off if dropped on the muzzle and that the series 80 models fixed that issue. I used to own and carry a Remington R1. I recall it being dropped several times, and it never discharged. However, it was not dropped on the muzzle. Thank you for doing this video and sacrificing your guns for our own education and entertainment.
Could you do one with shotguns now? Remington 870, Mossberg 590,/500, Winchester 1300/SXP, and maybe a few semi autos, and double barrels?
I've never shot them side by side, but I understand the firing pin block added to the Series 80 degraded the trigger. As. result, I'm pretty sure a lot of the high end custom and semi-custom guns like Nighthawk, Wilson Combat, and Staccato are built on Series 70 frames.
Correct, series 80 is SLIGHTLY longer pull, no real added weight though
Yeah, a shotgun series of tests would be nice. I've heard countless stories from old timers talking about shotguns getting dropped and going off.
@@davidherbstyep even the Rock island guns are 70 series
Same. I’ve tried to replicate it with a 500, but all I did was knock the shell elevator prong out of alignment and it locked the gun up when I tried to rack it.
Hence why I’m not a huge fan of Mossberg anymore
I remember when there was that controversy about the Staccato going off when dropped muzzle down, which I was shocked people were surprised by since that’s a known thing with Series 70 1911s. You get a nicer trigger, but it’s capable of slam firing.
I built my double stack 1911 off a Para Ordnance frame, which is Series 80. Slightly mushier trigger due to the firing pin block (though still better than any other non-1911 trigger) and that is completely drop safe. The grip safety also safes the gun from the trigger being pulled by inertia, which is why I sensitized but don’t disable mine.
California says my carry pistol isn’t drop safe but then again they say all guns are unsafe.
Does your pistol cause cancer in the state of California?
Thats okay, I consider the state leadership of California unsafe for me.
What doesn’t cause cancer anymore?
now I have 7 years bad luck for looking a gift horse in the mouth. thanks, I hate it... haha very clever profile pic dude 😉
@@submachinegun5737 The state of California causes cancer in the state of California.
Love the snl oc intro
3:45 I'm so glad to see Mike's chanbel being supported by so many international and government sponsors. You guys have made it!
The Lonely Island mmm what you say parody for the intro was top tier brother😂
I'm shocked there are not more comments about that intro reference lol.
I agree 😂
Agree
It's an old SNL skit, probably not too many people remember it and even less have seen it
The results have it more like a drop comparison of _inertial pins & strikers vs non-inertial pins._
This was a really fun video, had me anticipating and guessing and freaking out with you guys when they discharged.
I appreciate the sacrifice of your nice hats for our knowledge and entertainment the CZ75 hurt me as it’s my favorite carry
Folks, this is why Colt added the firing pin block safety years ago in their series 80. If you insist on using a 1911 (or 2011) type without a firing pin block safety, and this worries you, make sure you use an extra power firing pin spring in addition to a titanium firing pin.
why did it not go off with the safety ON the second time around?
@@bobd8553just chance. The safety doesn't interfere with the actual firing pin.
I was going to ask do 2011's have a firing pin block?
@@albertlincoln1729No. The slides are based off the Colt Series 70 with no firing pin block. Colt still had the patent for the Series 80 with the FPB at the time. No one uses it because it takes away from the trigger feel.
@@danielhenderson8316 Eh, that’s not the reason the 2011s don’t have Series 80 components. The Series 80 firing pin block makes the trigger a bit mushier and heavier than a Series 70 trigger, so people who want the best possible trigger (given the 1911 is famous for having a great trigger) don’t go for Series 80 guns. Given 2011s were originally designed for competition (where you want the best possible trigger), that makes sense.
Para Ordnance double stack 1911s pre-date the 2011 frame by a few years and those are Series 80. Built my custom gun off a Para frame, mostly because it had higher capacity magazines in .45ACP but also because I wanted the Series 80 components because it’s a carry gun. And a Series 80 1911 trigger, while worse than a Series 70 1911 trigger, is still better than any non-1911 trigger. Once you get used to getting through the mush to the true wall, it still breaks like a glass rod.