I work for a crown entity that unfortunately has loud maori singing every wednesday and friday mornings. WFH on these days makes working bearable and productive lol.
So with relevance to Wellington...tory whanau would like public servants to bail her out of a ruined central city centre... .try removing the hardly used bike lanes and making parking cheaper and more accessible.....done
After working from offices in Auckland for 25 years, working from home means I no longer need to drive an hour to work, pay for parking and then drive another hour home again. It also means that I can finally move out of Auckland to Hawkes Bay and be closer to my parents for their later years.
@@markreynolds7890 ... When I was in the military I lived on base... in other words, worked from home... all on the taxpayer...do you have a problem with that?
I work from home for a large corporation as part of a team of 20+ people as a data analyst. In 2022 we did a record number of jobs, in 2023 we broke that record and this year, we will be on track to break it once again. Please do not categorize everyone that works from home to the over staffed Government work places where a lot do the minimal work needed, whether they are working from home or in the office. Maybe show some bloody leadership in the work place and tell the staff to up their production rate or there will be consequences. What ever happened to accountability and responsibility for your OWN actions and be judged on your individual performance? Instead we have to punish everyone because the few that don't perform that don't get the same perks as the people that do perform, will cry and stomp their feet yelling they are being treated unfairly.
Bob spoke of giving people their own offices and making the office a nice place to work. That is the subtle difference as govt agencies have battery-hen open-plan offices with 10-20 people or so crammed-in. Noisy distracting work-places, hard to concentrate, lots of distractions, old shoddy buildings & often a bloody awful work environment. In these places, if you need to get work done - you need to work from home. But if you want to network and socialise - yes the govt depts open-plan workspaces are for you
It's in Bobs best interest that people don't work from home so as to full up the buildings he owns.. And these same workers have all the expenses that comes with commuting to work plus the lost of unpaid time along with the cost to the tax payer that come with building infrastructure. This is madness, to bring about funding small businesses like cafes and shops you're robbing Peter to pay Paul. Why not instead simply increase city living by increasing the amount of city high-rise apartments which will then being about the foot traffic required.
People have always had to spend the time and money required to get to work. I believe the government could probably dispense with 30% of public servants, who are paid by taxpayers, remember. As a taxpayer, I would like to see all public servants back in the office working their allotted eight hours. If they don’t wish to work in the office, then perhaps they could look for work closer to home.
Open plan offices, battery People, its wasn’t done to increase productivity, its bean counters, jamming everything in. Some places have revolving workstations, if you were late to work, then you missed out. Yes there is dignity in having your own office! Well said Bob.
I have worked in an open office in a hospital and it was terribly inefficient because of the noise of colleagues socialising, wanting attention, interrupting etc. I had to go and find a quiet place to do my paper and computer work. It wasn't the sort of job you could do at home
One thing I took from Bob was to never listen to the radio when driving. It distracts you from gathering your thoughts and thinking out problems or issues that are going on. Sound advice.
Interesting topic. My wife, now almost retired works from home a few hours a week in between working in the office, as do many of her colleagues. It works well. It saves on petrol, parking, traffic congestion and time. She works in a hospital and so there are no nice perks like free parking, pleasant work environment etc. She is adamant and can prove she is more productive. Sadly, people just take advantage.
The guy is not wrong that WFH doesn't help productivity... but neither does hot desking & working from "landing stations" if you want people to turn up actually make the office not activly unpleasant
Whilst I nearly always agree with Sir Bob, in this instance, I think his view is a bit limited because he's dealing solely with civil servants. In private business I know lots of people who work productively at home.
We often hear that that the businesses in Wellington are suffering because of the fact that people are working from home. Whilst that probably has some effect, the fact that everything is so much more expensive that it was not so long ago has more effect. If you are feeling the pinch financially, the coffees, lunches out and so on get replaced with sarnies from home, coffee machines in the office and so on. If a person saves $100 a week like that, then 100 workers save $10,000 a week or $40,000 a month. 1000 workers are saving $400,000 a month. That money is not going into the local economy. It's as much to do with that as it is to do with where people are sitting.
Our our major cities are dying, cafes and restaurants that thrived with the workers in the cbd are no longer thriving, no people around to spend money. There's no parking for cars unless you can pay moonbeams. With all the fancy and expensive bike racks, you could take your bike, drop the kids off at school on the way to work, do your grocery shopping etc. Its a frkn sh!tshow.
Couple of points, 1: this guy has a defeat financial stake in people returning to the office. Which is fine, we just need to understand that when listening to his points. 2: I work for a Gov department but my job is generally pritty mobile. Im honestly more productive in the office, but thats normally canceled out by the 90 min round trip to get there.... so i think its a complex issue. I will say though that when they institute "hot desking" with 20 desks and 15 carparks for 35+ workers then complain that people work from home im really not sure what you thought was going to happen
@silverdale3207 maybe...I can work from my house..but too easy to get distracted...I prefer to rent a desk down the road. Also give a little social interaction. WFM can be a lonely existence.
I wonder if the govt is being crafty due to wanting to lay off so many staff, all the ones that don't want to go back to the office will just quit and avoid the govt having to pay them redundancy.
So let's get this straight: - Sean invites on Boomer he thinks will agree with him - Boomer has substantial conflict of interest on this issue due to significant investments in commercial buildings - Boomer's solution is to gloat about how great his buildings are and if we could just make all buildings great working from the office would work - Sean experiences cognitive dissonance and brings up the problem of spending money on buildings public servant's work in - Boomer starts going on about some Australian businessman This is some quality journalism...
That'll be Sir Bob Jones then?.....the 'boomer' property investor who puts a heep of money into infrastructure which in turn provides jobs and security for so many families?...oh yeah that 'boomer'.....but let's dislike him because he is successful and wealthy....scared of success are we?....and just to add.....don't be scared of 'boomers'...they often provide a lot of 'stuff' to those who cannot or refuse to help themselves...if you get successful in the future and want to help people other than yourself, feel free to do so....and if not, you may well be very, very grateful for people like 'boomer' Jones.....
@@ianandrews6890 Boomer has long become a turn of phrase to describe someone who is older and out of touch as opposed to just being a literal definition of a generation. I used the term in the former sense.
The problem is for every person who is more productive WFH, there's probably 2 that aren't. Neither are many businesses set up effectively to measure productivity.
The Government should be letting Public Servants should be allowed to work from home. Because then the Government wouldn't have to pay rent for Commercial Office Buildings which in turn saves the New Zealand Government a lot of money which in turn means that less Public Servants will lose their Jobs through Government Austerity measures.
If everyone works from home how do you train new employees? In my last job I initially had to learn 2 different computer systems plus learn about the suppliers I had to deal with. Everyone in the office sped up the learning process. If everyone was WFH I'd still be trying to learn the job
This discussion seems to be about inputs instead of outputs. If you can get a net output without proving heating and office space higher from an employee working at home than coming into an office why wouldn’t choose that option. Given that they also don’t have to meet the cost of commuting they may be employed at lower wage cost. The movement is this way with people being employed on contract for specific outcomes. Who cares if they mow the lawn, they just as likely to be at the office gasbagging on rugby. In my experience people do piss all work in the public service and most of what they do is unproductive busyness.
Working from home is great! Saving on petrol, and no paying for parking. I don't gave to share a toilet with gross co workers. It's peaceful at home and I have more time to myself without habing to travel.
As the owner of commerial real estate, a lot of it, Bob Jones has a vested interest in people NOT working from home. I think Nicola Willis missed the mark here - a better approach would have been to look to hybrid working strategies. Many many civil service roles are functional/admin roles that don't need "teamwork" and "collaboration" and "office culture" - I think the onus is on the government to prove that you are not effecitve in your role when WFH. If you are delivering the output and meetin your job description, then easy.
The horse has long since bolted. Thing is, with working from home now the norm, at least for two days a week, the amount of office space required is less. Buildings are going to drop in value worldwide, with a lot of space becoming vacant. It is easy to find reports from the US predicting a financial collapse simply because all those buildings are lent against but the value just isn't there any longer. The government will find itself unable to do anything about this as the WFH clauses are already written into contracts. I predict the poor old beleaguered taxpayer will be asked to bail out the large office building owners. This shouldn't happen of course, as lifestyles change and the technology makes it possible.
Bobs one of the biggest landlords in the country. Not exactly an unbiased view and who can blame him. But, he's staked his entire wealth on being generated by owning buildings that do need tenants. However, I do agree with him, to an extent. Government employees should work in the office place, if for nothing else, to ensure accountability and a productive environment.
As buildings downsize - which is increasingly common - lower capex v operational and salaries BY DEFINITION increases productivity per worker. As long as I'm prevented from charging my employer for my home space and utilities, that is. Aside from that, "productivity" is in the eye of the beholder, because there are no other objective measures. It's a bit like decency, or common sense. I know it when I see it and it looks acceptable.
Those that don't work when they are at home are the same people who don't work when they are in an office. Bob just makes more money from those having to work in an office.
Sir Bob is not wrong this thing that happened in the 80’s where people staff were treated as numbers and any kind of employee perks or homes provide such as teacher police prison officers even Forestry workers were provided at very reasonable rates homes. Whole village’s were built to encourage family’s into work, But then it became profit before any kind of humanity in regard to those who provided the profits. People were removed and others forced to take on the work and for many work became intolerable. Saw so many changes in the industry I worked in taking pride in doing a good job was the least of the employers concern even time to do that was not considered necessary. Things were contracted out and the lower the cost the happier the employer was. In order for that contractor to make a living things that needed to be done did not happen and staff cut backs were always part of what happened. Would never go back to that industry ever
Bob Jones has funded University scholarships for girls in refugee families for years. The critics here of Bob Jones may know eff all about him I'd say.
They need to be back at work, it's unprofessional , so many people never had that choice .I worked 34yrs of night shifts, you should be working in your place of work
@@elizabethanderson3036 fuck you talking about? Are they on the dole? Aaaaaand no one gives a fuck about your 34 years heaps of people work nights and never use it to justify a statement. This ain’t the fucken 80s technology hence work from anywhere fucken old cunts don’t have clue.
What should have been mentioned before or during this interview is the ongoing commercial property market crash. Valuations are down ~30% Foreclosures are up ~120% You can genuinely hear the desperation in Bob’s attempts at justifying any value of his commercial buildings. He whinges about reduced productivity of employees who work from home, but in the next breath, he tries to pitch the idea of converting/dedicating viable business space to a gym for employees, literally suggesting that employees should also be supplied personal trainers at a cost to the business. He genuinely tried to use accepted work norms in the 1970s/1980s to support using those same processes and frameworks today, in his mind the 40-50years of technological advances are irrelevant. Due to free market influences, Businesses will always tend toward the most efficient and profitable systems over time. Unfortunately Bob seems somewhat in denial of how bad his commercial property investments really were
These government servants complaining about having to go back to work, don’t they realise there are lots of people without jobs now so be grateful you have one and get back to the office and back to work
your labour government brought in 500,000 immigrants from places like India ,and most of them drive a car ,some houses have 6 cars for the people living there .no mention of that ....of course .anyway get a bus ...
This guy needs to sit down and shut up. He is working in his own interests and has no stake in the future considering he won't be around in the near future. If I can't work from home then I won't work. Simple
'''''look not at what is said, Confucius, but what is not said'''''🤔 1.) Exactly what are the activities of a work perforfolio that can be carried out from the comfort of one's own abode??? 🤔 2.) Exactly what system of measurement did Willis use to quantify the degree of unproductivity she claims is occurring??? 🤔 3.) Did the owners of the real estate, currently untenanted, make a donation to the National party in the 2023 election??? 🤔 4) Has Nicola Willis provided the public with the cost, to the taxpayer, of leasing the commercial real estate compared with the cost of the lost productivity she claims is being incurred by workers due to working from home??? 🤔
Another rambling old guy. I detect a note of desperation. Who wants to commute every working day to Bob Joneses' office to admire its art work? They forced work from home on us when it suited them. . Now we should force it on them when it suits us.
Many people have invested money it setting up comfotable home office in spare room during covid. To break this down, pack it up and take laptop and peripherals to city and set up on random desk is not productive
No...........!!!!! What I'm interested in is the post vaxe xcess deeth rate and so would everybody else, if you reported on it. But then that's why you don't report on it.
I love Bob Jones plunket One of the greatest If not the greatest myself has had the honor to meet It pays to listen to whatever Sir Bob Jones has to say And then thank him later.
Hold on a second, if these jobs can be done at home, why not outsource these job to places like Vietnam or Philippines, where there are better work ethics.
In private sector, cmpanies have already outsourced to Phillipines and India, even though different timezone culture and english as second language. Companies justified this saying it was better, but then have a problem when locals work in the suburbs. Completely hypocritical position.
In most cases working from home is the first step for reducing the value you offer the workplace to the degree your lack of value eventually deems you redundant. If those workplace COVID measures worked the economy would not have suffered like it did. Few people are working from home. Most of them are simply excusing themselves from productive contribution. Working From Home except in certain rare conditions (not the case of your typical "worker") is an oxymoron.
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I work for a crown entity that unfortunately has loud maori singing every wednesday and friday mornings. WFH on these days makes working bearable and productive lol.
Sound's like the Auckland City mission on Hobson Street.- Auckland 1010. city.
If you can't work from home Invest in headphones dude Trust me It works.
nice one
You're in an indigenous Maori land and country, show some respect you selfish thug
Well you’ll probably one of thousands getting sacked by Seymore in the coming months good luck.
So with relevance to Wellington...tory whanau would like public servants to bail her out of a ruined central city centre...
.try removing the hardly used bike lanes and making parking cheaper and more accessible.....done
gud point
After working from offices in Auckland for 25 years, working from home means I no longer need to drive an hour to work, pay for parking and then drive another hour home again.
It also means that I can finally move out of Auckland to Hawkes Bay and be closer to my parents for their later years.
thts all fine as long as u dont do it on tax payer money!
@@markreynolds7890 ... When I was in the military I lived on base... in other words, worked from home... all on the taxpayer...do you have a problem with that?
@@TroyHutchinson-qq5ig living on base is working at wrk and living at work ...twit
how conveniant for you .
well said - these two old dudes trying to talk about the modern workforce -
No evidence that sitting in front of computer in city more productive than sitting in front of computer at home
I work from home for a large corporation as part of a team of 20+ people as a data analyst. In 2022 we did a record number of jobs, in 2023 we broke that record and this year, we will be on track to break it once again.
Please do not categorize everyone that works from home to the over staffed Government work places where a lot do the minimal work needed, whether they are working from home or in the office. Maybe show some bloody leadership in the work place and tell the staff to up their production rate or there will be consequences. What ever happened to accountability and responsibility for your OWN actions and be judged on your individual performance? Instead we have to punish everyone because the few that don't perform that don't get the same perks as the people that do perform, will cry and stomp their feet yelling they are being treated unfairly.
These people are not high performers, is the issue.
@@potato3264 and ther is generally nt a lot of accountability in the public sector
@@markreynolds7890 Dead right
Don’t worry Seymore will sack more for you aaaandd now your wait even longer for the govt to do shit because they got no money you dumbass
Bob spoke of giving people their own offices and making the office a nice place to work. That is the subtle difference as govt agencies have battery-hen open-plan offices with 10-20 people or so crammed-in. Noisy distracting work-places, hard to concentrate, lots of distractions, old shoddy buildings & often a bloody awful work environment. In these places, if you need to get work done - you need to work from home. But if you want to network and socialise - yes the govt depts open-plan workspaces are for you
Love Bob Jones . Like it or lump it but he is so generous with his thoughts. Thank you bith
@@allaboutstress he’s a relic and as a landlord wants more taxpayer money no one’s in his empty earthquake prone buildings. Tell me I’m wrong.
It's in Bobs best interest that people don't work from home so as to full up the buildings he owns..
And these same workers have all the expenses that comes with commuting to work plus the lost of unpaid time along with the cost to the tax payer that come with building infrastructure.
This is madness, to bring about funding small businesses like cafes and shops you're robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Why not instead simply increase city living by increasing the amount of city high-rise apartments which will then being about the foot traffic required.
People have always had to spend the time and money required to get to work. I believe the government could probably dispense with 30% of public servants, who are paid by taxpayers, remember. As a taxpayer, I would like to see all public servants back in the office working their allotted eight hours. If they don’t wish to work in the office, then perhaps they could look for work closer to home.
@@jasperhorace7147 we all know where the tax payer money went landlords what the fuck are you on.
yep, owners of cbd buildings want the slaves back paying rent
Open plan offices, battery People, its wasn’t done to increase productivity, its bean counters, jamming everything in. Some places have revolving workstations, if you were late to work, then you missed out. Yes there is dignity in having your own office! Well said Bob.
I have worked in an open office in a hospital and it was terribly inefficient because of the noise of colleagues socialising, wanting attention, interrupting etc. I had to go and find a quiet place to do my paper and computer work. It wasn't the sort of job you could do at home
One thing I took from Bob was to never listen to the radio when driving. It distracts you from gathering your thoughts and thinking out problems or issues that are going on. Sound advice.
Interesting topic. My wife, now almost retired works from home a few hours a week in between working in the office, as do many of her colleagues. It works well. It saves on petrol, parking, traffic congestion and time. She works in a hospital and so there are no nice perks like free parking, pleasant work environment etc. She is adamant and can prove she is more productive. Sadly, people just take advantage.
No parent working from home with small children present has ever said.. go away I’m working.
😂😂 that's a lie
I avoid saying this by simply locking them outside to play while i wfh. Works well and builds the kids imagination 😂
100% truth ,they will lie like flat fish for those little oxygen thieves.
@@brittany1262 sure provinding u have a spare bedroom to wrk in
@@Gary-i9f oxygen thieves?
The guy is not wrong that WFH doesn't help productivity... but neither does hot desking & working from "landing stations" if you want people to turn up actually make the office not activly unpleasant
Whilst I nearly always agree with Sir Bob, in this instance, I think his view is a bit limited because he's dealing solely with civil servants. In private business I know lots of people who work productively at home.
Come on. I’m a civil servant working from home and I managed to do my job as well as finish painting my fence. What’s not productive about that. 😊
We often hear that that the businesses in Wellington are suffering because of the fact that people are working from home. Whilst that probably has some effect, the fact that everything is so much more expensive that it was not so long ago has more effect.
If you are feeling the pinch financially, the coffees, lunches out and so on get replaced with sarnies from home, coffee machines in the office and so on. If a person saves $100 a week like that, then 100 workers save $10,000 a week or $40,000 a month. 1000 workers are saving $400,000 a month. That money is not going into the local economy.
It's as much to do with that as it is to do with where people are sitting.
Geez, what a surprise, a guy who owns 40 odd buildings, want's people to go back into the office.
Laughable right 😂
Bob's a tool 🔧
@@dirkdiggler5637 landlord tax money bitches
Our our major cities are dying, cafes and restaurants that thrived with the workers in the cbd are no longer thriving, no people around to spend money. There's no parking for cars unless you can pay moonbeams. With all the fancy and expensive bike racks, you could take your bike, drop the kids off at school on the way to work, do your grocery shopping etc. Its a frkn sh!tshow.
Bob is national treasure , what a good bugger.
Techonology has changed everything..no need to commute to turn on laptop. That defeats the point of having one!
Moden offices have compressed desks like chicken farms, not like in the 90s when had larger desks
Couple of points, 1: this guy has a defeat financial stake in people returning to the office. Which is fine, we just need to understand that when listening to his points.
2: I work for a Gov department but my job is generally pritty mobile. Im honestly more productive in the office, but thats normally canceled out by the 90 min round trip to get there.... so i think its a complex issue.
I will say though that when they institute "hot desking" with 20 desks and 15 carparks for 35+ workers then complain that people work from home im really not sure what you thought was going to happen
Been WFH for 2 1/2 years....get a lot more done. It is easier to focus. I rent a desk down the road to avoid distractions..do 8 hours then go home.
all fine as long as yor nt being paid by the tax payer
That's not really working from home then.
So you're posting this at home instead of working
@@MeusliCat work for a private company...paid for 3 days usually do more.
@silverdale3207 maybe...I can work from my house..but too easy to get distracted...I prefer to rent a desk down the road. Also give a little social interaction. WFM can be a lonely existence.
I wonder if the govt is being crafty due to wanting to lay off so many staff, all the ones that don't want to go back to the office will just quit and avoid the govt having to pay them redundancy.
Wasting time & money to make a boomer boss feel powerful at an office is unessessary.
So let's get this straight:
- Sean invites on Boomer he thinks will agree with him
- Boomer has substantial conflict of interest on this issue due to significant investments in commercial buildings
- Boomer's solution is to gloat about how great his buildings are and if we could just make all buildings great working from the office would work
- Sean experiences cognitive dissonance and brings up the problem of spending money on buildings public servant's work in
- Boomer starts going on about some Australian businessman
This is some quality journalism...
I come here for the comedic value
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That'll be Sir Bob Jones then?.....the 'boomer' property investor who puts a heep of money into infrastructure which in turn provides jobs and security for so many families?...oh yeah that 'boomer'.....but let's dislike him because he is successful and wealthy....scared of success are we?....and just to add.....don't be scared of 'boomers'...they often provide a lot of 'stuff' to those who cannot or refuse to help themselves...if you get successful in the future and want to help people other than yourself, feel free to do so....and if not, you may well be very, very grateful for people like 'boomer' Jones.....
having been born in 1939 , Bob Jones is not a Boomer , but belongs with the Silent Generation . ( so called )
@@ianandrews6890 Boomer has long become a turn of phrase to describe someone who is older and out of touch as opposed to just being a literal definition of a generation. I used the term in the former sense.
The problem is for every person who is more productive WFH, there's probably 2 that aren't. Neither are many businesses set up effectively to measure productivity.
yeah,but they are not productive at the office either....
Precisely. I'd say its more like 1:15 but hey, you make a good point.
The Government should be letting Public Servants should be allowed to work from home. Because then the Government wouldn't have to pay rent for Commercial Office Buildings which in turn saves the New Zealand Government a lot of money which in turn means that less Public Servants will lose their Jobs through Government Austerity measures.
If everyone works from home how do you train new employees? In my last job I initially had to learn 2 different computer systems plus learn about the suppliers I had to deal with. Everyone in the office sped up the learning process. If everyone was WFH I'd still be trying to learn the job
Bob IS working from home in this interview.. enough said!
This discussion seems to be about inputs instead of outputs. If you can get a net output without proving heating and office space higher from an employee working at home than coming into an office why wouldn’t choose that option. Given that they also don’t have to meet the cost of commuting they may be employed at lower wage cost. The movement is this way with people being employed on contract for specific outcomes. Who cares if they mow the lawn, they just as likely to be at the office gasbagging on rugby. In my experience people do piss all work in the public service and most of what they do is unproductive busyness.
Working from home is great! Saving on petrol, and no paying for parking. I don't gave to share a toilet with gross co workers. It's peaceful at home and I have more time to myself without habing to travel.
🤔 What's the point in commenting online when we don't have a voice.
Classic
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As the owner of commerial real estate, a lot of it, Bob Jones has a vested interest in people NOT working from home. I think Nicola Willis missed the mark here - a better approach would have been to look to hybrid working strategies. Many many civil service roles are functional/admin roles that don't need "teamwork" and "collaboration" and "office culture" - I think the onus is on the government to prove that you are not effecitve in your role when WFH. If you are delivering the output and meetin your job description, then easy.
The horse has long since bolted. Thing is, with working from home now the norm, at least for two days a week, the amount of office space required is less. Buildings are going to drop in value worldwide, with a lot of space becoming vacant. It is easy to find reports from the US predicting a financial collapse simply because all those buildings are lent against but the value just isn't there any longer. The government will find itself unable to do anything about this as the WFH clauses are already written into contracts. I predict the poor old beleaguered taxpayer will be asked to bail out the large office building owners. This shouldn't happen of course, as lifestyles change and the technology makes it possible.
Wait, the rich businessman who rents out commercial buildings WANTS people to have to occupy them? 😮 I am shocked!
Bobs one of the biggest landlords in the country. Not exactly an unbiased view and who can blame him. But, he's staked his entire wealth on being generated by owning buildings that do need tenants. However, I do agree with him, to an extent. Government employees should work in the office place, if for nothing else, to ensure accountability and a productive environment.
This guys a property mogul, hardly impartial
Yeah his commercial real estate is probably really hurting now.
Seem to remember Sir Bob boasting about his banker friends following a vehicle accident. This was before the eighties financial crisis.
As buildings downsize - which is increasingly common - lower capex v operational and salaries BY DEFINITION increases productivity per worker. As long as I'm prevented from charging my employer for my home space and utilities, that is.
Aside from that, "productivity" is in the eye of the beholder, because there are no other objective measures. It's a bit like decency, or common sense. I know it when I see it and it looks acceptable.
So its not ok to walk dog at lunchtime at home but ok to go out for coffee bresks in wgtn
Double standard. The former is more productive
Those that don't work when they are at home are the same people who don't work when they are in an office. Bob just makes more money from those having to work in an office.
The modern 'orifice' stinks!
Guarantee no public service is ever going to afford a "chandelier office" building with a inhouse gym. Dont be so naieve
. . . every year that WFH has been possible for public servants our rates have increased by twice the rate of inflation . . .
If my wife said I have to go into the city every day Id say no. There are no police in the city the streets are crawling with homeless & crims.
Sir Bob is not wrong this thing that happened in the 80’s where people staff were treated as numbers and any kind of employee perks or homes provide such as teacher police prison officers even Forestry workers were provided at very reasonable rates homes. Whole village’s were built to encourage family’s into work, But then it became profit before any kind of humanity in regard to those who provided the profits. People were removed and others forced to take on the work and for many work became intolerable. Saw so many changes in the industry I worked in taking pride in doing a good job was the least of the employers concern even time to do that was not considered necessary. Things were contracted out and the lower the cost the happier the employer was. In order for that contractor to make a living things that needed to be done did not happen and staff cut backs were always part of what happened. Would never go back to that industry ever
Back to the office all of you tax payer funded govt workers!
Personally I think these politicians should go into the office and not work from home. It’s just high paid skiving off IMO
Lots of public servants taking the piss reinforcing the entitlement issue...question - who would notice when they're sacked? Answer: No one.
Bob Jones has funded University scholarships for girls in refugee families for years.
The critics here of Bob Jones may know eff all about him I'd say.
NY commercial real estate has been itinerant for some time !
the Aussie property market is has been in a right state for a couple of years now...
I fucking hate working from home.
Well then go back to your place of work
Is it a loss of productivity or a loss in money for the landlords.
free gym and trainers? i'd take that option 😎
Got any vacancies Uncle Bob?
You're lucky if you have any work these days!
Defer retirement while able to work from home - makes sense; on easy street
They need to be back at work, it's unprofessional , so many people never had that choice .I worked 34yrs of night shifts, you should be working in your place of work
@@elizabethanderson3036 fuck you talking about? Are they on the dole? Aaaaaand no one gives a fuck about your 34 years heaps of people work nights and never use it to justify a statement. This ain’t the fucken 80s technology hence work from anywhere fucken old cunts don’t have clue.
What should have been mentioned before or during this interview is the ongoing commercial property market crash.
Valuations are down ~30%
Foreclosures are up ~120%
You can genuinely hear the desperation in Bob’s attempts at justifying any value of his commercial buildings.
He whinges about reduced productivity of employees who work from home, but in the next breath, he tries to pitch the idea of converting/dedicating viable business space to a gym for employees, literally suggesting that employees should also be supplied personal trainers at a cost to the business.
He genuinely tried to use accepted work norms in the 1970s/1980s to support using those same processes and frameworks today, in his mind the 40-50years of technological advances are irrelevant.
Due to free market influences, Businesses will always tend toward the most efficient and profitable systems over time. Unfortunately Bob seems somewhat in denial of how bad his commercial property investments really were
Everyone’s broke and grumpy - so….all public servants must go back to the office! (Jesus is coming, look busy! 😂)
Do as I say but only when, trying desperately to put a genie back in the bottle
These government servants complaining about having to go back to work, don’t they realise there are lots of people without jobs now so be grateful you have one and get back to the office and back to work
Vote Ray Chung for wellington mayor hic hic got to go imo and get water fixed
Doesn’t mean anything Seymour will be sacking thousands more public servants by the end of 25 problem still remains Welly is dying.
Great call, this government just added more cars back on the road to cause more traffic congestion and when there trying too leases traffic 🤦🏾♂️
public servants cul;d catch the bus
your labour government brought in 500,000 immigrants from places like India ,and most of them drive a car ,some houses have 6 cars for the people living there .no mention of that ....of course .anyway get a bus ...
@@markreynolds7890 enjoy your bus ride 😂😂
@@lopstream i certainly wont b but public servants will b on the bus or out of a job!
@@markreynolds7890 keep the seat warm lol
This guy needs to sit down and shut up. He is working in his own interests and has no stake in the future considering he won't be around in the near future. If I can't work from home then I won't work. Simple
'''''look not at what is said, Confucius, but what is not said'''''🤔
1.) Exactly what are the activities of a work perforfolio that can be carried out from the comfort of one's own abode??? 🤔
2.) Exactly what system of measurement did Willis use to quantify the degree of unproductivity she claims is occurring??? 🤔
3.) Did the owners of the real estate, currently untenanted, make a donation to the National party in the 2023 election??? 🤔
4) Has Nicola Willis provided the public with the cost, to the taxpayer, of leasing the commercial real estate compared with the cost of the lost productivity she claims is being incurred by workers due to working from home??? 🤔
Should embrace future with AI and VR etc. No need to physically be anywhere in world
What a load of bullshit Bob!
Another rambling old guy. I detect a note of desperation. Who wants to commute every working day to Bob Joneses' office to admire its art work? They forced work from home on us when it suited them. . Now we should force it on them when it suits us.
Many people have invested money it setting up comfotable home office in spare room during covid.
To break this down, pack it up and take laptop and peripherals to city and set up on random desk is not productive
Egg
No...........!!!!! What I'm interested in is the post vaxe xcess deeth rate and so would everybody else, if you reported on it. But then that's why you don't report on it.
The post vaxe xcess deeth?HUH?
they will never admit the truth and figures coming from their own health departments ...
I love Bob Jones plunket One of the greatest If not the greatest myself has had the honor to meet It pays to listen to whatever Sir Bob Jones has to say And then thank him later.
Who would listen to Bob jones? He's the Trump of the 80s
Hold on a second, if these jobs can be done at home, why not outsource these job to places like Vietnam or Philippines, where there are better work ethics.
So destroy our economy? Jeez
In private sector, cmpanies have already outsourced to Phillipines and India, even though different timezone culture and english as second language. Companies justified this saying it was better, but then have a problem when locals work in the suburbs. Completely hypocritical position.
Surely Sean you can find someone or something more relevant to discuss
What is blud yapping about
grifters work from home.
I love the numpties in the comments thinking they know better than Bob Jones hahaha
BJ ✊️👊✊️💦 makes money from renting office space... surely his bias should be questioned?
It could be said Jones is about as relevant as his latest contribution to the barren Wellington retail landscape- Calvin Klein
I found him relevent, thought provoking and funny too
Sock to the lefties Sir Bob.
In most cases working from home is the first step for reducing the value you offer the workplace to the degree your lack of value eventually deems you redundant. If those workplace COVID measures worked the economy would not have suffered like it did. Few people are working from home. Most of them are simply excusing themselves from productive contribution. Working From Home except in certain rare conditions (not the case of your typical "worker") is an oxymoron.