Virgin Births in the Ancient World with Dr. Bart Ehrman
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
- Dr. Bart Ehrman joins Megan (...kind of) to talk about his new lecture on virgin births in the ancient world!
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Best wishes to Megan, Josh, and family.
I hope the children will be well. Sorry to hear they are ill.
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Thanks!
I do hope the Kiddies are Ok.
@@MrTonyJ
*_"Are you commenting on the right video?"_*
He's talking about Megan's children, who she had to take to hospital, as the guy says RIGHT at the start of the video.
So I'd say, yes, Lawrence is commenting on the right video.
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Oh I heard it bc at the end. Poor kiddos. 😢
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 sorry I thought if I deleted my comment it would delete the substrand but I did not want to make it look like you were not talking to anyone.
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No worries!
Cheers!
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Need help, can someone plz recommend some info to help? My problem is with the understanding that Ishstar is Inanna, her decent after her sisters morning over her husband ( the bull of heaven).but Inanna (Ishtar) sent the bull to its death by the hands of Gilgamesh . Are the bulls the same bull??
Did you get your answer? I started Gilgamesh but I cannot help. Idk.
You should read this :" Like a virgin (mother): analysis of data from a longitudinal, US population representative sample survey" BMJ 2013;347:f7102
"Of 7870 eligible women, 5340 reported a pregnancy, of whom 45 (0.8% of pregnant women) reported a virgin pregnancy (table 1⇓). Perceived importance of religion was associated with virginity but not with virgin pregnancy. The prevalence of abstinence pledges was 15.5%. The virgins who reported pregnancies were more likely to have pledged chastity (30.5%) than the non-virgins who reported pregnancies (15.0%, P=0.01) or the other virgins (21.2%, P=0.007)........."
Yahweh blessed American Virgins!
Almost as if it's a really classic way for a woman to explain away promiscuity
Read Second Genesis by Alfred Feldman. He has a blurb about this. As I've been learning about people born inter-sex aka hermaphrodite, it is plausible. These individuals are one in every 2000 births! and their spectrum of differences quite wide ranging. Women can have testes within and near their ovaries. It is rare but apparently has happened that a woman becomes pg w/o sex. Don't ask me how her testes do that. There was a case in the UK. I encourage everyone to educate themselves about hermaphrodites. Life has been really rough on them. Most have been cut to be one or the other but it messes them up in lots of ways physically and mentally. The medical community advises the parents what to do and few parents go against it. There's a Hida Velaporosa who has become an activist. She was fortunate in that she was never surgically reoriented one way or the other. She is non-binary and has a girlfriend. Look her up on YT. I might not have her last name right.
@@shinobi-no-bueno Hi, please read my comment.
Oh no!
I hope the wee ones are ok!
It would be interesting to understand how the virgin birth developed within Christianity, as it does seem to be different from other virgin births. First, it isn't really virgin - it sounds like it starts more like a typical impregnation by a *god.* So, did the idea of a virgin birth simply come from a bad translation of a word for 'maiden'? That doesn't feel adequate, even if true. Why wasn't this bad translation corrected by future theologians? It must have served some purpose within the religion. Which brings in the Christian god's role as a transcendent deity. Did that drive the evolution of the idea of a virgin birth? What role did the virgin birth play as Christianity evolved? How do you get from no mention of a virgin birth, to the central role of a virgin birth, even if it's based on a bad translation? In other words, does the virgin birth have more to do with drives internal to resolving issues within Christianity itself, rather than simply a copy of other contemporary divine impregnations?
The earliest Christians were Jews who thought Jesus was God's anointed prophet, that is, the Messiah. His job was to rewrite the Torah, which is why Jews in Rome during the reign of Claudius were rioting over the Messiah (Claudius expelled all the Jews in Rome for this). The Jews of that time would consider a virgin birth story to be pagan, and blasphemous.
The Gospel of John had been written in Greek before 120 CE, and doesn't mention the virgin birth. The Gospel of Luke was finished several decades later. Around 145 CE Marcion pitched the idea of the Bible to the church in Rome, including most of the letters of Paul and a Gospel from which he had removed the account of the virgin birth (probably an early version of Luke). See, Marcion thought Jesus was God pretending to be human (and yes, Marcion was excommunicated for heresy).
So, the virgin birth story was contested in the 2nd Century after the destruction of the (Jewish) church in Jerusalem in 135 CE. It should be seen as antisemitic; in the Hellenistic world a child was the ethnicity of the father, so the virgin birth meant Jesus was not seen as Jewish. By the 4th Century the virgin birth was dogma and Christianity was definitely antisemitic.
If you mean Mary's pg encounter? The text says the HS overshadowed her. There was no sex. That is the Immaculate conception belief.
@@ChrisBV I've never been convinced the earliest christians were Jews but I don't have anything to back that opinion with. The text seems to indicate that I agree. But the text is untrustworthy. I'd have to think on it a while to give my opinion substance and it's too much already as it is. Brain dead.
Virgin Births were very common 2,000 years ago and beyond, not unlike the Dead rising from their graves and travels to the underworld.
We are overdue for these types of "miracles".
PS: Or could it be that even 2,000 years ago people still didn't know how babies were made? I see that ignorance today.
What a cutie
Oh, No! I just CAN'T....
STAND....
*MYTH VISION!*
I unsubbed from him ages ago.
But as I love Bart, Megan and Dr Josh, I might be able to manage 11 minutes 🤐
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Same, I dropped him when he dropped Robert Price (the man upon whose back Mythvision was built)
This is where the prophetic and miraculous signs come into play to make Jesus the Christ stand apart.
those claims also aren't unique to Jesus
@@truecrimelover2022 i would suggest that maybe you ask what signs your interlocutor is talking about before you dismiss them. You may be correct, but nobody knows if the op never gets the opportunity to disclose it
@@PatrickPease fair point but almost all if not all claims made by Jesus were made by similar Messiah's at the time including the die for your sins one and some like Apollo had tons of similarities i would love to hear what the OP thinks sets Jesus apart from the others if his day legitimately and tbf i have heard some really good thought provoking ones as recent as 3 years ago from a pastor friend of mine (he's retired now)
@@truecrimelover2022 Care to share who else you were thinking of…?
@@augurcybernaut4785 none in particular because theirs so many Krishna, adonis, attis, etc. the three that had the most in common are horus, mithra, and dionysus, in the case of mithra he was dead for 3 days then resurrected
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