i sat alongside the guy who wrote Gattaca (andrew Nichol, Vic uni 1999 class). He ignored the lecturer, too busy writing his piece. He may well have been writing the script of my life.
LOL, no one lives only 30 years unless they are born with *serious* genetic deformity like acromegaly, progeria, etc. People born with "heart conditions" live at least until their fifties and sixties taking statins, following diets low in saturated fat, taking blood thinners, etc. This film over-dramatize the effects of genetics. The most recent research indicates that, save for people that are born with a few extremely rare defects in DNA repair or hormonal imbalances, 70-80% of your longevity is determined by your lifestyle, with genes accounting for 20-30% up to ages 90-95. Now, if we are talking about extreme longevity, over 100 and especially over 110, then genes do play a much larger role. But for average and long lifestyles up to about age 95, things like clean diet, exercise, not smoking and keeping a low blood pressure are far more important than having magic genes. There are people that live on burgers and cigarettes and still make it to at least age 50. Who dies at 30? C'mon.
The whole point is that the society over-dramatizes the effects of genetics and it's possible that our society can go down this route. The whole society embraces a form of hard biological determinism.
@@politicallyambiguous8424 That is true, although it is imortant to point out that "hard genetic determinism" does apply at the tail end of ggenetic inheritance. If you are born with Down's Syndrome, you'll never be able to achieve anything intellectual despite your best efforts. If you are born with hyperlipedemia, which is genetic and deteermines the amount and types of lipoproteins produced by your liver, it is 100% certain that you will have heart disease. If you are born with two copies of tyhe APOE4 gene, it is 100% certain that you will have Alzheimer's disease at or before age 60 no matter what you do. Other things are less deterministic, buty still highly heritable. For instance, centenarians and especially super-centenarians have higher level of PARP1 in their leucocytes, wich indicates a higher ability to repair DNA damage, especially double-strand DNA breaks(the most threatening to life). And this is 100% under genetic control. You can eat all the green salad you want, not smoke and exercise, and you still have a lower chance of reaching afe 110 than someone who inherited this ability but lives on butter and smokes. Jean-Marie Calment, in fact, te oldest human ever at 122, smoked a pack a day for 80 years and drank Port every night. Genes are very, very, very important. Except in the case of rare diseases, I agree that it is not "destiny". But you won't be able to do math like Gauss or music like Beethoven despite your best efforts if you don't hold some sort of genetic advantge. In fact, all the classic composers came from long lineages of exceptional musicians. For instance, Mozart's entire family was bred for musical ability.
@@petercoderch589 I am well aware of the impact of genes and alleles, and I am well aware that there are things that are 100% genetic. Mental illnesses often have a basis in genetics as well. I never brought into the idea of the blank slate. What I was claiming was that the society depicted is a closed minded society that embraced hard biological determinism for all aspects of a person to the exclusion of all other factors. Nothing mattered to anyone but what was in a person's cells in the dystopian society depicted.
@@politicallyambiguous8424 Ok, but I don't think that such a Society will ever exist. Human do have volition, and that is not determined in one's genes. Even identical twins with 100% the same DNA and 100% same upbringing grow up to have remarkably different personalities and to make different choices in life. So yes, ansolute genetic determinism when it comes to *choices* does not exist at all, not even to a minor degree. But as a man that has keratoconus and has lost over 30% of his eyesight on his left eye, I can tell you that doing battle against invincible genes is a b-ch. I never rubbed my eyes, I never smoked or exosed my eyes to Sunlight or pollution or whatever. But no matter what, it just got worse and worse and worse. To use an analogy, doing battle against your genes is an uphill battle where your feet are chained to two 100 lbs anvils, it's 113 F and the hill's sloap has just been washed with soap. Sure, you can make it to the top, but there is at least a 99.9% chance you will fail despite pushing yourself 110%. It's not impossible to defeat bad genes, but it is so damn difficult that it is impossible for practical purposes.
i sat alongside the guy who wrote Gattaca (andrew Nichol, Vic uni 1999 class). He ignored the lecturer, too busy writing his piece. He may well have been writing the script of my life.
where was that?
@@osardoublex5105 vic uni, wellington, NZ 1998-9
What class? Not in the social sense, i mean which class or course in college?
@@silo3com he was a student of english theatre Victoria University.
@@marriedkiwi sorry the question was unclear. Which class were you sitting in while he was writing?
Who’s teacher told them to watch this😂🤦🏽♂️? 👇🏽
mine
mine too 😂
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I Masturbate
Watching this!
Thank you for this great extract, subtitled. You avoid me to this my self.
"The underclass wasn't determined by social status or skin color now." -A movie made in the 90s.... note the skin color of every extra in that scene
At least this video has subtitles (good for if you are doing an essay)
Loved this movie.
We put faith in God but we fak on the car?
The Future?
no the pass
le grand arbre des limbes fait un peu tour de sauron
Jordi El Nino je suis d'accord le grand arbre des limbes fait un peu tour de sauron
Je n'ai rien compris, je suis un ignorant?
wsh camille claudel
First bro
not true
LOL, no one lives only 30 years unless they are born with *serious* genetic deformity like acromegaly, progeria, etc. People born with "heart conditions" live at least until their fifties and sixties taking statins, following diets low in saturated fat, taking blood thinners, etc. This film over-dramatize the effects of genetics. The most recent research indicates that, save for people that are born with a few extremely rare defects in DNA repair or hormonal imbalances, 70-80% of your longevity is determined by your lifestyle, with genes accounting for 20-30% up to ages 90-95. Now, if we are talking about extreme longevity, over 100 and especially over 110, then genes do play a much larger role. But for average and long lifestyles up to about age 95, things like clean diet, exercise, not smoking and keeping a low blood pressure are far more important than having magic genes. There are people that live on burgers and cigarettes and still make it to at least age 50. Who dies at 30? C'mon.
The whole point is that the society over-dramatizes the effects of genetics and it's possible that our society can go down this route. The whole society embraces a form of hard biological determinism.
@@politicallyambiguous8424 That is true, although it is imortant to point out that "hard genetic determinism" does apply at the tail end of ggenetic inheritance. If you are born with Down's Syndrome, you'll never be able to achieve anything intellectual despite your best efforts. If you are born with hyperlipedemia, which is genetic and deteermines the amount and types of lipoproteins produced by your liver, it is 100% certain that you will have heart disease. If you are born with two copies of tyhe APOE4 gene, it is 100% certain that you will have Alzheimer's disease at or before age 60 no matter what you do. Other things are less deterministic, buty still highly heritable. For instance, centenarians and especially super-centenarians have higher level of PARP1 in their leucocytes, wich indicates a higher ability to repair DNA damage, especially double-strand DNA breaks(the most threatening to life). And this is 100% under genetic control. You can eat all the green salad you want, not smoke and exercise, and you still have a lower chance of reaching afe 110 than someone who inherited this ability but lives on butter and smokes. Jean-Marie Calment, in fact, te oldest human ever at 122, smoked a pack a day for 80 years and drank Port every night. Genes are very, very, very important. Except in the case of rare diseases, I agree that it is not "destiny". But you won't be able to do math like Gauss or music like Beethoven despite your best efforts if you don't hold some sort of genetic advantge. In fact, all the classic composers came from long lineages of exceptional musicians. For instance, Mozart's entire family was bred for musical ability.
@@petercoderch589 I am well aware of the impact of genes and alleles, and I am well aware that there are things that are 100% genetic. Mental illnesses often have a basis in genetics as well. I never brought into the idea of the blank slate.
What I was claiming was that the society depicted is a closed minded society that embraced hard biological determinism for all aspects of a person to the exclusion of all other factors. Nothing mattered to anyone but what was in a person's cells in the dystopian society depicted.
@@politicallyambiguous8424 Ok, but I don't think that such a Society will ever exist. Human do have volition, and that is not determined in one's genes. Even identical twins with 100% the same DNA and 100% same upbringing grow up to have remarkably different personalities and to make different choices in life. So yes, ansolute genetic determinism when it comes to *choices* does not exist at all, not even to a minor degree. But as a man that has keratoconus and has lost over 30% of his eyesight on his left eye, I can tell you that doing battle against invincible genes is a b-ch. I never rubbed my eyes, I never smoked or exosed my eyes to Sunlight or pollution or whatever. But no matter what, it just got worse and worse and worse. To use an analogy, doing battle against your genes is an uphill battle where your feet are chained to two 100 lbs anvils, it's 113 F and the hill's sloap has just been washed with soap. Sure, you can make it to the top, but there is at least a 99.9% chance you will fail despite pushing yourself 110%. It's not impossible to defeat bad genes, but it is so damn difficult that it is impossible for practical purposes.
It's a movie not a documentary
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