I was in the tree and wood business over 40 years, but have never have seen anything like this. Two beautiful, articulate young women working a sawmill and sharing their knowledge and experiences with others via videos. Incredible.
True words! These 2 ladies are Just in their Teens! Jade 17,Emerald 19!! Wise beyond their years , for sure..!! All Thanks to great,knowledgeable, teachers,elders! Amazing family to be sure...!!!!!!!!!! 👍🐺🧙♂️🦊👍
I share the same background in regards to the lumber industry and it’s heartwarming and encouraging to see young people with the passion for an important aspect of our culture that many take for granted. An excellent reflection on their parents and grandparents as well! Keep it going guys!
Been a lumber inspector 9 years trained in NHLA rules. I'd like to clarify a couple things. To yield a true FAS it must yield surface measure x 10.the first board you've shown as FAS will only yield grade after the knots have been removed from the edge. Having the minimum cutting doesn't mean it will yield. I'm in the process of making a long form video on grading. I love what you guys are doing shining light on such an esoteric practice that we do!
Same boat, been grading since 2012, took the NHLA long course in 2017, been doing quality control and teaching in house grading classes since. There is a lot more to it than people realize, especially when you work in a mill that throws 70,000+ board feet at you in 8 hours. You have to know it, and you have to know it right now. The time it takes to flip the board over is about 75% of the time you will have to spend on that board. When the lumber is coming fast most of my focus is on three things, cutting size, number of cuts, and percentage of the board. Are these cuttings big enough for this grade? Am I allowed to take this many cuttings with this surface measure? Do I have enough yield to make the grade? In the common grades I lean very heavily on the visual percentage of the board and allow the surface measure to persuade me up or down. Looks like about 2/3 of the board, cutting size and number of cuts okay, big 8' surface measure - in the 1 com pack, smaller 7' surface measure - not feeling as good. In select and better lumber I think in terms of units a lot more. Probably something over 90% of select and better boards that we produce will make their yield in one or two cuttings. Trying to visualize 83 1/3% of a board isn't quite as easy as 2/3, 1/2, or 1/3 of a board. Recognizing the units you need in select and better is almost thoughtless. If you have chains on your grading line that weren't laid out by monkeys usually you can get a pretty accurate guess on the length of your cuttings. A quick width measurement and some basic multiplication and you know if you're in the ballpark. Averages can really speed you up, also not focusing so much on how many units you need, but rather the formula itself that tells you how many units you need. Like a 6' sm 1 com, you would need 48 cutting units in two cuttings for basic yield, but rather than think about the 48 units, think about the 6x8 that brought you to that 48 units. I am just trying to find one or two cuttings that are at least 4"x2' or 3"x3' that will average out to 6x8. Maybe I see a cutting that is 5"x4' and another that is 7" by anything 4' or longer. I don't care exactly how many units are there, I know that will average out to at least the 6x8 I was seeking.
Hi ladies i la like the way you show you do everyday , i have been learning grading for a couple of years , honestly its take a white Learning . one of the first step is take your surface measure , then watch the defects in both sides , finally yoa can determine the grade ,thanks
What I appreciate about your videos is that you don't tell others what they should be doing or use scare tactics, which the vast majority of channels do. You just share with us what you are doing, why, and the reality of the workload. Thank You.
It is great seeing Jade becoming more confident in herself and being more vocal in the videos. Keep up the good job teaching us about lumber and grades of lumber. Happy New Year Lumber Capital Log Yard family!!
Anything with you and Jade discussing the mill and the wood and your work is interesting, and perhaps better said, any video where Jade appears with you to bring her particular brand of sunshine to complement yours is great.
As a woodworker my suggestion when milling for customers, flip your boards when stacking. That way the grain orientation stays the way it grew. I try to keep projects from the same tree and try to continue the grains
❤❤love seeing and hearing emerald all the time, it’s so good to see jade and hearing her you both are amazing and not only beautiful but smart, intelligent, talented girls awesome work ❤❤❤❤
First and Seconds. Basically it's a select board on both faces. The very first thing we had to do at NHLA (National Hardwood Lumber Association) inspection school, was to learn all the definitions word for word. What most people refer to as bark is actually wane. Bark or the lack of wood, if memory serves me.
I'm really impressed with your effort and confidence in working with rough lumber. You can tell by the way you handle the boards. Í just don't want you to feel that your lumber inspection is quite spot on. The first step is to determine the surface measure. Then the poorest face, without considering the reverse face. With a few exceptions, grading is done from the poor face, with the reverse side of the cuttings sound. I'm not trying to discourage you, but it's much more complicated than it looks. These rules were established a long time ago, and were designed to be fair to both the seller and buyer equally. I was a graduate of the NHLA Inspection School in Memphis in 1987. Have graded many millions of board feet and take a certain pride in the fact that the NHLA rules are governed by the industry, with no government interference. Can't think of any other industry that can say that. Anyway, good luck with your adventure, and I'm sorry if I ramble on.
Once again very informative. I have 40 years NOT in the wood business. My line of work was Section 10 Specialties. Mostly metal. That said, these videos are so well produced they are almost addicting. Lumber addiction, is that something I'll need a 12 step program for? Is it ok for lumber to get wet? I would be inclined to tarp it but that just me. I am only seeing stickers for half the pile. Where do these stacks go from here, onto a delivery truck? Emerald It is easy to watch videos where you and Jade are doing all the work. Get some fog lights. I seem to recall driving through PA in some foggy conditions. Plus you all have tunnels from what I recall. PA hillbillie women are the absolute prettiest of all them hill folks.
Those are actually 1 common boards..you have to have so many cutting units for it to be a fas board, so if you have a board that has 8 board feet you'll need 80 cutting units, you can have a knot but it can only be a third of the cutting unit..grading lumber takes a while to learn
Awesome video! I work for a Company that owns Sawmills and Plywood mills. We have autograding machines, but very cool to watch the manual process. Love the content! You have a new subscriber.
I did a lot of rough milling in a cabinet factory but it is not the same as what you do. I liked this video because it taught me something I wanted to know. Grading.
Plain sawn red oak is difficult to kiln dry flat. This means wasting a lot of wood using a planer to get the cupping out of the the boards. Please talk about quarter swan and rift sawn board in the next video about grading oak lumber.
That is some very pretty lumber, absolutely gorgeous. and the mossy edging is fabulous. I bet that smells fabulous. I bet you get some amazing selections of the "Ends" and such. Very Pretty
That’s some beautiful lumber! You should be getting top dollar prices for that. Some of the lesser grade cuts that have some clear parts would make good flooring or trim. It would be worth it to invest in a shaper to make flooring and moulding. You need more covered storage as well. All good problems to have though. There is a lot of value in good hardwood.
Like i been saying. I worked in a saw mill that cuts 1 million board feet a day!! Take a lumber grading course. It will help you alot when you gotta argue with a customer!!! There is alot to learn in the saw milling business girls!! This be one more feather in your hat in sawmilling qualifications!!
Hi, thanks for this valuable informations about perfect boards. 🥰 Jade has done really well, she now also comes in front of the camera and talks. I find you both as a very good team and have gained a lot of experience that you are now passing on.☺️👌🏽
You can obtain a lot of reference material on grading from the...National Hardwood Lumber Association . They also offer classes in grading if your interested . Worked in the Hardwood Lumber business for over 15 yrs...best job I ever had . Handler, forklift driver, grader, mill operation, kiln-dried Lumber assistance, Truck driver, Inventory Manager, Traffic Manager ( processing orders and scheduling deliveries, plus inside sales . " Rex Lumber Company " Love your videos, keep making them...brings back memories!
4"x5' or 3"x7' are the minimum size cuttings, sure, but you still need to make the FAS yield (surface measure x 10). Just because you have a minimum cutting doesn't make that board a FAS. Let's look at that first board. You said it's 9' long, and then I'll guess with 6" clear from that knot on the side its a 9" wide board. You get surface measure by multiplying the full width by the standard length, dividing by 12, and rounding to the nearest whole number. 9'x9"= 81. 81/12 is 6.75. So that's a small 7' surface measure. So for a FAS (SMx10) your yield needs to be 70 units in one cutting or 77 units in 2 cuttings. You have a single 6"x8' cut of clear lumber that equals 48 cutting units. That's well short of the 70 you'd need for FAS and due to the knot placement its not like you can find 2 cuts that will equal 77. That first board doesn't even make a 1 common yield (SM x 8) for 56 units. That's a 2common board you are "putting in the FAS pile". A very nice 2 common board for sure, but get a handle on the grading rules before you post a video "explaining" the grading rules to people. When you're grading lumber you're not looking at knots (mostly), you're looking for a certain yield of clear wood for the size of the board. None of those top boards in the video are going to be FAS. Also "that's just a small knot, it's probably fine" is not how the rules work, clear lumber means clear lumber. -NHLA 154th class (Hi Rich, Hi Jeff, Hi Stanley the Manly))
Excellent tutorial Ladies. Thank you for sharing with us. Hope your Christmas was satisfying and Best Wishes for a safe, healthy, and prosperous New Year.
Thanks, beautiful wood. I used to use red oak to rebuild freighter canoes & always wondered where & how they grew & how they were milled. You have been giving me insight - so thnx again.
Hi, girls! I enjoyed the video. In my woodworking business, I use all grades of oak and a less desirable subspecies called post oak. I do cabinetry and small furniture using boards with the knots, pith, quarter sawn and riff sawn, i.e. all of it. Occasionally have to do a little epoxy. I'm one of those guys who makes stuff look vintage with the imperfect cuts, you know, the "character" factor. LOL I don't even have any red oak in my inventory. I get logs milled and then have them dried and planed to 13/16 before they come home and go into inventory. Here in SW Missouri, the post oak is very common. I also do chess boards with many different native hardwoods from logs that I get milled. Keep these videos coming , be careful, and happy new year!
I wish the people who built my sister's house had paid better attention to the joist quality. They put one in that had knots both top and bottom right across from each other! The effective size of that 2X14 was 2X4 !!!
Hardwood rules have nothing to do with construction lumber. Hardwood is graded on appearance, whereas the softwood is inspected for strength. There is a huge difference.
Cool! The wood business is complicated by grading and pricing purposes. Great process to maximize LCLY profit. Good Luck and it's lots of hard work but you ladies are models for all the young kids today!
Wow, ! Even the beauty of imperfection is beautiful. Like I've said if the future of the world is in these women's hands I can die in peace. Thanks girls, the world is yours. .x.
It really is the science - to cut quality board from a log. The wooden products market makes high demands. The carpenters have not yet learned how to stabilize such things of wood like knots. Although, on my opinion, knots also decorate the wood. But customers order what they need. And the task of the sawmiller is to know the right cost of his work. (Hi from Belarus. Harry Davidson).
I think its great as well as really cool to see you two beautiful ladies in carharts getting in there getting dirty learning everything you two can applying it all and getting it done like bosses 🤘👍. I think that's just awesome that you two are making your dad very proud and happy and is such a huge help and benefit overall in every way.
I'm not a wood grading expert, but as a retired cabinet maker I've cut a lot of hardwood. I heard the question asked about what to do with the notty lumber. The lumber suppliers I used to buy from called this lumber rustic. It was sold as rustic oak, or rustic alder, etc. As I recall, the cost wasn't a lot less than the normal cabinet grade lumber. In the case of the alder especially, there was a good market for it. All of their lumber was f3s (finished three sides) and mostly 4/4 nominal thickness, 13/16 actual.
instrument or tone woods are very worthwhile as well, your hardwoods, alder, ash, spruce, walnut, maple, cherry, so on so forth even poplar and basswood . . yessir cha ching!
Thank you for this video. Great content. Not boring at all. Are you shipping lumber out of state? Do you have furniture makers in the area? Cabinet makers? Do you get much cherry? My favorite furniture wood. Happy New Year!
I’m 3rd generation carpenter been doing this 50 plus years for dimensional lumber its clear or common clear is one blemish per running board ft exotics are a different story their graded 1A thru 5A and premium is S4S thats sanded four sides I think alot of folks have their own vernacular great job girls keep up the great work
Miss Sweetheart and Miss Mega Trouble step out of the mist!! Hello Jade and Emerald. Another excellent, interesting and educational video I must say. Have a wonderful evening and a Happy And Safe New Year All.
Looks like will help improve things once the kinks are worked out. Those stacks should make the trucker loading them pretty happy. Stay warm n dry ladies hope xmas was great. I ll send you some 50 F sw ohio weather 😂
Replies Lumber graders go to school for grading lumber. It's really. Complicated process. And years of experience. You guys are doing a good job separating it out. But the lumber graders travel. And if you have enough it might well be worth your time to have them grade your lumber. There is a TH-cam video that shows several graders walking across lumber on a conveyor flipping the boards with lumber sticks. They take a crayon and mark each board. Every specie has its own grading system so it gets really complicated. Good enough for what you are doing. So FAS stands for First and seconds. These are generally the boards out of the first base log and the cond base log. We also still use "Prime" but the grading standards are very different. So most mills have gone to this FAS system to get more higher lumber and less restrictions. There's number 2 and 3 then " character " grade. Flooring companies are buying up the lesser clear grades for the knots and character. A walnut FAS board is not graded like a red oak FAS board. It's really confusing. I'm a cabinetmaker so I just get the bits and pieces of all the grading. Your dad even talked about mineral in the wood the last episode. I buy strictly FAS lumber. Then pine and soft grades have a whole set of allowances. Knot sizes etc. But there are lumber graders that are certified that travel and grade lumber. We logged years ago with horses and had several thousand feet of clear cherry lumber. The Amish mill had a guy walk across the piles and marked the boards with crayons and we pulled them off as he went through the piles. Really cool. The big mills have optical scanners now. But they do 100,000 ft of lumber a week. You gurls amaze me! I watch every episode! I'll be over to buy some lumber one of these days Also, I'm sure your dad knows, the white oak veneer logs are at a premium right now. I know the market for red oak is soft right now. The high end homes I do the cabinets are all painted! It's a trend. I'd have to borrow money from church mice if I said I wouldn't do painted cabinets! I do gun cabinets and hope chests in cherry and grey elm and walnut. I haven't made a stained clear coat wood kitchen in ten years or more in million dollar homes. I did some hickory cabinets about ten years ago. It's all a trend in housing.
The mill I work at does 250,000 a week with three graders. We flip and grade each board and mark it for trimming. NHLA also will send folks out to do a short course you don't get certified but you learn a lot. They also have a hybrid option where you don't hand to leave worksite for the whole three months of regular course.
I always thought that kind of grading was up to the end user. I know I have always cut out the best of the board when possible, even from scrap lumber.
I use a small sawmill in Kansas and he leaves the lived edge on a number of boards and a few with live edge on both. He charges a little more for the live edge and he gets the premium. Just depends on the local market. Id edged lumber get more sales he edges it off at that time. Great explanation of grading.
I was a cabinetmaker for 35 years and an ongoing joke at virtually every shop was spelling knotty as naughty. Yeah sorry, verrrrrry old joke. But perfect ¿? for the Christmas season. :)
Gracious, a new system not working perfectly the first time? Who would have thought? Just kidding ladies. I really enjoy your channel. I know just about nothing about the lumber industry and find it most interesting. Keep up the good work.
Probably be a good idea to take a short course in lumber grading through nhla. Several rules you didn’t mention. How much yield you need , number of cuts your allowed. Finding surface measure determining poor side of board.
I would think that thier is a market for 5/4 half sawn lumber that includes the heart wood. When gluing up a table top it’s best if the sapwood is glued together rather than heart wood glued to sapwood. I understand that the clear stuff your milling meets this criteria, however many people like the contrasting color and grains that half sawn lumber that includes the heartwood provides. Anyway, thank you for the tutorial on your ever evolving skills.
I was in the tree and wood business over 40 years, but have never have seen anything like this. Two beautiful, articulate young women working a sawmill and sharing their knowledge and experiences with others via videos. Incredible.
True words! These 2 ladies are Just in their
Teens! Jade 17,Emerald 19!!
Wise beyond their years , for sure..!! All
Thanks to great,knowledgeable,
teachers,elders!
Amazing family
to be sure...!!!!!!!!!!
👍🐺🧙♂️🦊👍
Beauty AND Brains
It's a new world friend...
I would've shown up for work early and never looked at the clock.
I share the same background in regards to the lumber industry and it’s heartwarming and encouraging to see young people with the passion for an important aspect of our culture that many take for granted. An excellent reflection on their parents and grandparents as well! Keep it going guys!
40 лет работы ничего абсолютно не говорят, все мы разные👍
Been a lumber inspector 9 years trained in NHLA rules. I'd like to clarify a couple things. To yield a true FAS it must yield surface measure x 10.the first board you've shown as FAS will only yield grade after the knots have been removed from the edge. Having the minimum cutting doesn't mean it will yield. I'm in the process of making a long form video on grading. I love what you guys are doing shining light on such an esoteric practice that we do!
Same boat, been grading since 2012, took the NHLA long course in 2017, been doing quality control and teaching in house grading classes since. There is a lot more to it than people realize, especially when you work in a mill that throws 70,000+ board feet at you in 8 hours. You have to know it, and you have to know it right now. The time it takes to flip the board over is about 75% of the time you will have to spend on that board. When the lumber is coming fast most of my focus is on three things, cutting size, number of cuts, and percentage of the board. Are these cuttings big enough for this grade? Am I allowed to take this many cuttings with this surface measure? Do I have enough yield to make the grade? In the common grades I lean very heavily on the visual percentage of the board and allow the surface measure to persuade me up or down. Looks like about 2/3 of the board, cutting size and number of cuts okay, big 8' surface measure - in the 1 com pack, smaller 7' surface measure - not feeling as good. In select and better lumber I think in terms of units a lot more. Probably something over 90% of select and better boards that we produce will make their yield in one or two cuttings. Trying to visualize 83 1/3% of a board isn't quite as easy as 2/3, 1/2, or 1/3 of a board. Recognizing the units you need in select and better is almost thoughtless. If you have chains on your grading line that weren't laid out by monkeys usually you can get a pretty accurate guess on the length of your cuttings. A quick width measurement and some basic multiplication and you know if you're in the ballpark. Averages can really speed you up, also not focusing so much on how many units you need, but rather the formula itself that tells you how many units you need. Like a 6' sm 1 com, you would need 48 cutting units in two cuttings for basic yield, but rather than think about the 48 units, think about the 6x8 that brought you to that 48 units. I am just trying to find one or two cuttings that are at least 4"x2' or 3"x3' that will average out to 6x8. Maybe I see a cutting that is 5"x4' and another that is 7" by anything 4' or longer. I don't care exactly how many units are there, I know that will average out to at least the 6x8 I was seeking.
@vr6muppet Keep up the great work man! Gotta get the proper information out there!
Hi ladies i la
like the way you show you do everyday , i have been learning grading for a couple of years , honestly its take a white Learning . one of the first step is take your surface measure , then watch the defects in both sides , finally yoa can determine the grade ,thanks
What I appreciate about your videos is that you don't tell others what they should be doing or use scare tactics, which the vast majority of channels do. You just share with us what you are doing, why, and the reality of the workload. Thank You.
It is great seeing Jade becoming more confident in herself and being more vocal in the videos. Keep up the good job teaching us about lumber and grades of lumber. Happy New Year Lumber Capital Log Yard family!!
Grandpa should build a lay-over guide. Making the opening the minimum requirement. Easy-peasey and figured out by the swamper right off the mill.
Anything with you and Jade discussing the mill and the wood and your work is interesting, and perhaps better said, any video where Jade appears with you to bring her particular brand of sunshine to complement yours is great.
I used to see lumber as just a board, but I have been learning from you to see a lot of differences!
Learning about where lumber comes from, the people who bring it to us, and a small business is really interesting!
As a woodworker my suggestion when milling for customers, flip your boards when stacking. That way the grain orientation stays the way it grew. I try to keep projects from the same tree and try to continue the grains
Jade one finger pointing left or right, that's the trademark of the channel.
You young ladies make your Mom and Dad proud
Those boards are just gorgeous! The rain really helped of course. But still ... WOW!
❤❤love seeing and hearing emerald all the time, it’s so good to see jade and hearing her you both are amazing and not only beautiful but smart, intelligent, talented girls awesome work ❤❤❤❤
Seeing the grading and trimming in real time through the process would be great
You need to go to Memphis and go to the lumber grading school.
Very interesting - the grading. The photo of you with the three hats is massively adorable.
Please explain abbreviations like FAS for people like me who are not into lumber. Thanks, Marten
First and Seconds. Basically it's a select board on both faces. The very first thing we had to do at NHLA (National Hardwood Lumber Association) inspection school, was to learn all the definitions word for word. What most people refer to as bark is actually wane. Bark or the lack of wood, if memory serves me.
This is just excellent TH-cam at its best. 👍
The FAS boards I would edge for sure. Sometimes prime stays live edge for decoration depending on the customer. Excellent job ladies thank you.👍♥️♥️
Someone once remarked a lumber yard tended by super-models. No harm in looking so nice to compliment your skills.
Raises hand...
Beautiful wood. That oak lumber is GOLD in my area. Big bucks if it is dry.
That oak lumber is like gold.
I'm really impressed with your effort and confidence in working with rough lumber. You can tell by the way you handle the boards. Í just don't want you to feel that your lumber inspection is quite spot on. The first step is to determine the surface measure. Then the poorest face, without considering the reverse face. With a few exceptions, grading is done from the poor face, with the reverse side of the cuttings sound. I'm not trying to discourage you, but it's much more complicated than it looks. These rules were established a long time ago, and were designed to be fair to both the seller and buyer equally. I was a graduate of the NHLA Inspection School in Memphis in 1987. Have graded many millions of board feet and take a certain pride in the fact that the NHLA rules are governed by the industry, with no government interference. Can't think of any other industry that can say that. Anyway, good luck with your adventure, and I'm sorry if I ramble on.
Yes ! I would (wood) like to hear more about grading lumber ! Gracias ! 😁Happy New Year !🤩!
Очень мило! Рад, что у вас восстановилась добыча белого и красного дуба! И доски такие красивые, как будто уже полакированы!
Once again very informative. I have 40 years NOT in the wood business. My line of work was Section 10 Specialties. Mostly metal. That said, these videos are so well produced they are almost addicting. Lumber addiction, is that something I'll need a 12 step program for? Is it ok for lumber to get wet? I would be inclined to tarp it but that just me. I am only seeing stickers for half the pile. Where do these stacks go from here, onto a delivery truck? Emerald It is easy to watch videos where you and Jade are doing all the work. Get some fog lights. I seem to recall driving through PA in some foggy conditions. Plus you all have tunnels from what I recall. PA hillbillie women are the absolute prettiest of all them hill folks.
Those are actually 1 common boards..you have to have so many cutting units for it to be a fas board, so if you have a board that has 8 board feet you'll need 80 cutting units, you can have a knot but it can only be a third of the cutting unit..grading lumber takes a while to learn
I grade hardwood lumber for a living. I agree with you on that. These girls have alot to learn yet.
Yeah I graded lumber for years myself and yes they do but at least their trying..gotta give them credit for that
Awesome video! I work for a Company that owns Sawmills and Plywood mills. We have autograding machines, but very cool to watch the manual process. Love the content! You have a new subscriber.
Great tutorials on the complex side of the lumber biz. Thx.
I did a lot of rough milling in a cabinet factory but it is not the same as what you do. I liked this video because it taught me something I wanted to know. Grading.
Plain sawn red oak is difficult to kiln dry flat. This means wasting a lot of wood using a planer to get the cupping out of the the boards. Please talk about quarter swan and rift sawn board in the next video about grading oak lumber.
That is some very pretty lumber, absolutely gorgeous. and the mossy edging is fabulous. I bet that smells fabulous. I bet you get some amazing selections of the "Ends" and such. Very Pretty
You're mom and dad must be super proud to have two young and beautiful hard working ladies. I enjoy the videos keep it up good job😊
That’s some beautiful lumber! You should be getting top dollar prices for that. Some of the lesser grade cuts that have some clear parts would make good flooring or trim. It would be worth it to invest in a shaper to make flooring and moulding. You need more covered storage as well. All good problems to have though. There is a lot of value in good hardwood.
Interesting side note. In the 90's it was hard to get #1 spruce for the aviation industry. It was all being sent to Japan to build pianos.
Like i been saying. I worked in a saw mill that cuts 1 million board feet a day!! Take a lumber grading course. It will help you alot when you gotta argue with a customer!!! There is alot to learn in the saw milling business girls!! This be one more feather in your hat in sawmilling qualifications!!
That's really some clean lumber, have a good week and count your blessings amen.
Worked at a grade mill for years sorting and piling Kant's don't miss the railroad ties💪😂
We have a new presenter! Well done Jade!
i felt depressed all the day.., i like the smile on your faces 😊
The live edges are awesome!
Good video & info ladies, thank you!!
Take care & best wishes for a Fantastic New Year!! 💜
Red oak has a great smell & amazing grain/color. Very good at resistantance to rot/mold. Also very heavy.
Hi, thanks for this valuable informations about perfect boards. 🥰 Jade has done really well, she now also comes in front of the camera and talks. I find you both as a very good team and have gained a lot of experience that you are now passing on.☺️👌🏽
You can obtain a lot of reference material on grading from the...National Hardwood Lumber Association . They also offer classes in grading if your interested .
Worked in the Hardwood Lumber business for over 15 yrs...best job I ever had .
Handler, forklift driver, grader, mill operation, kiln-dried Lumber assistance, Truck driver, Inventory Manager, Traffic Manager ( processing orders and scheduling deliveries, plus inside sales .
" Rex Lumber Company "
Love your videos, keep making them...brings back memories!
It sounded like you have a customer for that lumber. That is good!!!
4"x5' or 3"x7' are the minimum size cuttings, sure, but you still need to make the FAS yield (surface measure x 10). Just because you have a minimum cutting doesn't make that board a FAS. Let's look at that first board. You said it's 9' long, and then I'll guess with 6" clear from that knot on the side its a 9" wide board. You get surface measure by multiplying the full width by the standard length, dividing by 12, and rounding to the nearest whole number. 9'x9"= 81. 81/12 is 6.75. So that's a small 7' surface measure. So for a FAS (SMx10) your yield needs to be 70 units in one cutting or 77 units in 2 cuttings. You have a single 6"x8' cut of clear lumber that equals 48 cutting units. That's well short of the 70 you'd need for FAS and due to the knot placement its not like you can find 2 cuts that will equal 77. That first board doesn't even make a 1 common yield (SM x 8) for 56 units. That's a 2common board you are "putting in the FAS pile". A very nice 2 common board for sure, but get a handle on the grading rules before you post a video "explaining" the grading rules to people. When you're grading lumber you're not looking at knots (mostly), you're looking for a certain yield of clear wood for the size of the board. None of those top boards in the video are going to be FAS. Also "that's just a small knot, it's probably fine" is not how the rules work, clear lumber means clear lumber.
-NHLA 154th class (Hi Rich, Hi Jeff, Hi Stanley the Manly))
Thx yall for a great informative lesson on fresh cut lumber that is priceless..Well done.
Excellent tutorial Ladies.
Thank you for sharing with us.
Hope your Christmas was satisfying and Best Wishes for a safe, healthy, and prosperous New Year.
Thanks, beautiful wood. I used to use red oak to rebuild freighter canoes & always wondered where & how they grew & how they were milled. You have been giving me insight - so thnx again.
Hi, girls! I enjoyed the video. In my woodworking business, I use all grades of oak and a less desirable subspecies called post oak. I do cabinetry and small furniture using boards with the knots, pith, quarter sawn and riff sawn, i.e. all of it. Occasionally have to do a little epoxy. I'm one of those guys who makes stuff look vintage with the imperfect cuts, you know, the "character" factor. LOL I don't even have any red oak in my inventory. I get logs milled and then have them dried and planed to 13/16 before they come home and go into inventory. Here in SW Missouri, the post oak is very common. I also do chess boards with many different native hardwoods from logs that I get milled.
Keep these videos coming , be careful, and happy new year!
I wish the people who built my sister's house had paid better attention to the joist quality. They put one in that had knots both top and bottom right across from each other! The effective size of that 2X14 was 2X4 !!!
Hardwood rules have nothing to do with construction lumber. Hardwood is graded on appearance, whereas the softwood is inspected for strength. There is a huge difference.
Cool! The wood business is complicated by grading and pricing purposes. Great process to maximize LCLY profit. Good Luck and it's lots of hard work but you ladies are models for all the young kids today!
Great video, very informative. And you are both a joy to watch.
Great audio quality in the video.
Wow, ! Even the beauty of imperfection is beautiful.
Like I've said if the future of the world is in these women's hands I can die in peace.
Thanks girls, the world is yours. .x.
It really is the science - to cut quality board from a log. The wooden products market makes high demands. The carpenters have not yet learned how to stabilize such things of wood like knots. Although, on my opinion, knots also decorate the wood. But customers order what they need. And the task of the sawmiller is to know the right cost of his work. (Hi from Belarus. Harry Davidson).
Congratulations. Nice when a suggestion is taken seriously. Grading and knowing when to RECut a board into a higher grade is ,dollar wise.
I use to be a timber grader at tasman plup and paper in kawerau back in the day.
Wow thank you I’m watching and listening, I appreciate your videos and content… absolutely beautiful amazing 🌹
I think its great as well as really cool to see you two beautiful ladies in carharts getting in there getting dirty learning everything you two can applying it all and getting it done like bosses 🤘👍.
I think that's just awesome that you two are making your dad very proud and happy and is such a huge help and benefit overall in every way.
I'm not a wood grading expert, but as a retired cabinet maker I've cut a lot of hardwood.
I heard the question asked about what to do with the notty lumber. The lumber suppliers I used to buy from called this lumber rustic. It was sold as rustic oak, or rustic alder, etc. As I recall, the cost wasn't a lot less than the normal cabinet grade lumber. In the case of the alder especially, there was a good market for it. All of their lumber was f3s (finished three sides) and mostly 4/4 nominal thickness, 13/16 actual.
That's a lot of stuff to know myself thinks the knots bring out the beauty in wood
Thats some beautiful lumber.
Oh Jesus you both are so beautiful. Intelligent and hard working. That's amazing.
What’s a lumberjack’s favorite type of music?......... Log-rhythms!
Great job you need air flow between each layer or it will mold
instrument or tone woods are very worthwhile as well, your hardwoods, alder, ash, spruce, walnut, maple, cherry, so on so forth even poplar and basswood . . yessir cha ching!
Log yard looks incredibly clean today, even the loader tires are showroom clean.
Great Info ladies! Keep up the great work and try to keep dry and warm. TTFN
Good information ladies!
Thank you for this video. Great content. Not boring at all. Are you shipping lumber out of state? Do you have furniture makers in the area? Cabinet makers? Do you get much cherry? My favorite furniture wood. Happy New Year!
Awesome video guys.
I found that extremely interesting
I’m 3rd generation carpenter been doing this 50 plus years for dimensional lumber its clear or common clear is one blemish per running board ft exotics are a different story their graded 1A thru 5A and premium is S4S thats sanded four sides I think alot of folks have their own vernacular great job girls keep up the great work
Miss Sweetheart and Miss Mega Trouble step out of the mist!! Hello Jade and Emerald. Another excellent, interesting and educational video I must say. Have a wonderful evening and a Happy And Safe New Year All.
Looks like will help improve things once the kinks are worked out. Those stacks should make the trucker loading them pretty happy. Stay warm n dry ladies hope xmas was great. I ll send you some 50 F sw ohio weather 😂
For the knotty/rustic lumber look for Trailer manufacturers. Those guys will take about anything 😂
Very nice looking wood, you are right the color really shows.
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Lumber graders go to school for grading lumber. It's really. Complicated process.
And years of experience. You guys are doing a good job separating it out. But the lumber graders travel. And if you have enough it might well be worth your time to have them grade your lumber.
There is a TH-cam video that shows several graders walking across lumber on a conveyor flipping the boards with lumber sticks. They take a crayon and mark each board. Every specie has its own grading system so it gets really complicated. Good enough for what you are doing. So FAS stands for First and seconds. These are generally the boards out of the first base log and the cond base log. We also still use "Prime" but the grading standards are very different.
So most mills have gone to this FAS system to get more higher lumber and less restrictions. There's number 2 and 3 then " character " grade. Flooring companies are buying up the lesser clear grades for the knots and character. A walnut FAS board is not graded like a red oak FAS board. It's really confusing. I'm a cabinetmaker so I just get the bits and pieces of all the grading. Your dad even talked about mineral in the wood the last episode. I buy strictly FAS lumber. Then pine and soft grades have a whole set of allowances. Knot sizes etc. But there are lumber graders that are certified that travel and grade lumber. We logged years ago with horses and had several thousand feet of clear cherry lumber.
The Amish mill had a guy walk across the piles and marked the boards with crayons and we pulled them off as he went through the piles. Really cool. The big mills have optical scanners now. But they do 100,000 ft of lumber a week.
You gurls amaze me! I watch every episode! I'll be over to buy some lumber one of these days Also, I'm sure your dad knows, the white oak veneer logs are at a premium right now. I know the market for red oak is soft right now. The high end homes I do the cabinets are all painted! It's a trend. I'd have to borrow money from church mice if I said I wouldn't do painted cabinets! I do gun cabinets and hope chests in cherry and grey elm and walnut. I haven't made a stained clear coat wood kitchen in ten years or more in million dollar homes. I did some hickory cabinets about ten years ago. It's all a trend in housing.
Dude you "really" know the lumber business. Good that somebody on here does.
The mill I work at does 250,000 a week with three graders. We flip and grade each board and mark it for trimming. NHLA also will send folks out to do a short course you don't get certified but you learn a lot. They also have a hybrid option where you don't hand to leave worksite for the whole three months of regular course.
I always thought that kind of grading was up to the end user. I know I have always cut out the best of the board when possible, even from scrap lumber.
Looks like grey miserable weather in North Central PA
Need some sunshine here in Indiana soon!! 😫
Extremely interesting. Thanks..👍
Knowing how to find an FAS board will make it easier for you to saw the logs as well
I use a small sawmill in Kansas and he leaves the lived edge on a number of boards and a few with live edge on both. He charges a little more for the live edge and he gets the premium. Just depends on the local market. Id edged lumber get more sales he edges it off at that time. Great explanation of grading.
Luv the twins🎉🎉 great catching up🎉🎉🎉
I graduated from the NHLA back in 2015. If you have any questions just let me know
Thanks for the info ladies!
I was a cabinetmaker for 35 years and an ongoing joke at virtually every shop was spelling knotty as naughty. Yeah sorry, verrrrrry old joke. But perfect ¿? for the Christmas season. :)
Well done
Excellent informative video. You ladies got it together and I couldn’t help but notice someone has exceptional penmanship. Always enjoy your videos.
Gracious, a new system not working perfectly the first time? Who would have thought? Just kidding ladies. I really enjoy your channel. I know just about nothing about the lumber industry and find it most interesting. Keep up the good work.
Very complicated. Wishing You and Em and Family a great New Years Celebration.
Merry Christmas ♥️
Be careful when moving red oak lumber packs. when in cold temperatures they get really frosty and slippery
You keep getting bigger!!! 171K is awesome.
Hi guys! Thank you for the video! Happy Year!!!!
U guys are awesome ❤
Probably be a good idea to take a short course in lumber grading through nhla. Several rules you didn’t mention. How much yield you need , number of cuts your allowed. Finding surface measure determining poor side of board.
Good job ladies good info
I would think that thier is a market for 5/4 half sawn lumber that includes the heart wood. When gluing up a table top it’s best if the sapwood is glued together rather than heart wood glued to sapwood. I understand that the clear stuff your milling meets this criteria, however many people like the contrasting color and grains that half sawn lumber that includes the heartwood provides. Anyway, thank you for the tutorial on your ever evolving skills.