The Idol ACTUALLY Wasn't That Bad?? *a final review*
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- it kinda surprised me ngl
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Hey Rummates, today we're coming back to talk about the rest of the season of The Idol. We're getting into controversy about the finale and a review of the season as a whole.
Timestamps:
0:00 intro
1:42 season recap and mini review (for the ppl who didn't watch)
9:46 the finale
12:32 how sam levinson STILL flopped
14:39 how this will impact the weeknd's career
16:17 final thoughts
#imurgency #theidol #euphoria - บันเทิง
The fact that the female abuse victim is being revealed as the true villain all along, while her male abuser is being revealed as the victim in a show that was SUPPOSED to be about the exploitation and mistreatment of women in the music industry and Hollywood in general should tell you a lot about the two men who wrote and created this show. Amy Seimetz deserved SO MUCH BETTER.
I see you on every the idol yt video
After Euphoria, I am not surprised.
Tbh i still thought he was the abuser but then like idk yeah like even in my way of thinking still bad still bad
It's the same as ending an essay with "and then he woke up and realized it was all a dream"
where did yall saw this narrative of him being the victim at the end?? cuz i never saw that
I want the original cut. If Snyder can get his version out, we deserve to see the “too female-centered” one
I read a few things that got leaked from her version and it was soooo goood. The show could have been a big deal
@@gabrielasosa9146where did you find them? I want to torture myself with what could have been.
I agree 100 percent
@@gabrielasosa9146 i dont care how you do it or who you have to kill to get it but FIND THOSE LINKS AND PPOST THEM HERE
@@gabrielasosa9146Where did it leak?
Let’s see: nude portrayal of a minor. Sexualizing abuse in a meaningless way. Sexualizing mental illness in a meaningless way. Men writing fetish fantasies with women at the center of being fetishized. And all of the things that could’ve been major themes were dumped lazily for mediocre shock value. This show was beyond offensive.
Also add villainizing the victim and pretending she was in control of the time. sympathizing with the male abuser. It also villainizes women who accuse men of SA.
The actress is 27....
@@davidbrady1825 portraying a 17 year old…
@@davidbrady1825 we know. But it still very strange for Sam Levinson to write her getting naked even though he planned for the character to be a child. There was literally no reason to do that 😐
@@iniiniinia I think he used parts of the Charles Manson cult story which was underage girls+ the music industry
The Idol should've been about Trina Vega making human sacrifices to summon Friday by Rebecca Black to end The Weekend
I WAS FUCKING DYING WHILE READING THIS
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BRUH LMAOOO
Bro just leaked Jojo Part 10
jocelyns empowerment that she gets from literal abuse and then framing it as “actually jocelyn was the abuser the whole time” feels a lot like kats high school cam girl empowerment…
sam levinson is the guy who wrote a scene where a 14 year old maddy talks about losing her virginity to a 40 year old man and said "she was in control" like does he read what he writes Ain't no 14 year old is in control during sex with a 40 fucking year old man
Yes it's true Jocelyn
The apparent message that Jocelyn was empowered by doing what she did is giving the same vibe as when people were saying that Dani from Midsommer was empowered when she got indoctrinated into a cult.
Its not empowering in a healthy way but tempting for people who feel week on their own to lean on fake support created by such cult, there is a reason people find some solace in identifying with others and it creates an illusion that you are better because you have people who will tell you exactly that in order to pull you in as Tedros tried to do for the entire show
I felt like the entire show was just an excuse for Abel and Sam to write and star in a soft core porn production. It was just gross and mindless.
I want Amy's cut of the Idol
The other day I saw pictures of Amy's version and IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER. Jocelyn had a Britney's 2000s aesthetic. You could actually believe she was a child star before and that she has many young fans...Sam's Jocelyn doesn't make me believe 14 year old girls would follow her 💀💀💀💀
In Amy's version we would actually see part of Jocelyn's childhood, Dyanne (Jennie's character) was a childhood friend and Tedros was a sweet man with dark intentions...he wasn't intimidating like this Tedros
Where did you find the pictures I’m curious to see them?
I’m really hoping this will put a stop, if not a pause- to the Sam Levinson reign of terror. But knowing he is a nepo baby white man, he can only fail upwards which is so upsetting.
Don’t pay attention to him. That should settle it!
This show was nothing more than a museum walk through of sam Levison and the weeknd's personal kinks and fetishist.
LMAOO YEA
Is there anyone here that is able to understand art and satire …? I would be very interested to know how it is possible to create a film that denounces the male gaze, objectification, and hypersexualization of women without using the male gaze and without sex scenes??? To denounce something, you need to show the truth as it is, even if it is ugly. It’s impossible to do otherwise…
Yes.... Art is personal
@@karolinat1038it's not art is bullshit
The Idol was empty promises: the musical. It wasn’t a unique love story, it barely explored the evil music industry, the cult had the depth of a spoon, and all the twisted aspects of it are surprisingly underwhelming after the fact. Everything about it reads like a melodramatic smutty angst fic I would’ve written when I was 14, but infinitely more boring
Edit: Also, totally forgot to say this, but this concept could’ve worked as a season two.
Season one would’ve been the scrapped concept where we have Jocelyn being a Disney-esque child star. Her Mom passes in the final episode, she has her psychotic break, and then we start season two with her dark comeback era
Also also, Jocelyn could’ve met Tedros in season one and maybe had more of a slowburn with him. Maybe he started fucking Dyanne to get back in her circle post break. The cult is introduced in season two as a parallel to the industry set up in season one. Boom. Potential watchable show.
(Also: the show could’ve been structured like the life of a child star. Childish/sinister act 1, hyper sexualized/fucked up act 2, and a more balanced act 3) (if that makes any sense)
Calling hbo for you right now
Damn you shouldve wrote the show cause this actually sounds interesting
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I love this
“the depth of a spoon” is brilliant lol 😊
No but the fact that Nate Jacobs is genuinely creepy and hateable character but the weekend trying to be creepy is just tryhard and i cant even take him seriously because he's just hilarious 😭
Feels like this would be a show that nate jacobs would watch unironically 🫢
@meepmeep2457 nah. Bro would be too busy watching NFL and listening to Joe Rogan.
The only remotely likable and humane character was Leia, but she just stood by and let her supposed best friend Jocelyn get harassed. And even then, she wasn't treated any better herself.
There wasn't much she could've done. In Episode 3 Jocelyn fired her chef just because Tedros told her to. If Leia pushed too hard and said/did something he didn't like she would've been next.
she did try to interfere but she was constantly shut down told she ruined the fun and there's not much she can do when the cult leader is against her even Jocelyn shut her down and she would probably have been fired if she did too much like the chef who she fired just because tedros told her to
I've seen people say this and I honestly think it's incredibly easy to say from a distance. She tried to intervene, tried to draw attention to it, tried to speak with Jocelyn, etc. and she was shut down every time - by both Jocelyn herself and her management. So really, with the power dynamics being what they were, what could she have done lol? What would YOU have done?
@@diamcole EXACTLY!!!
did you watch it? lmfaoo
idk. if you're gonna do a villain reveal THAT cunty, you need to have us in on it from the get go. obviously this show isn't worried about optics, but if you're gonna do it, do it right. there is something inherently fascinating about a woman so adept at manipulation that she can subvert the maneuvers of those around her, but just be so serious. we weren't invested in any of the other connections around her. so i wasn't vindicated when Xander got his career back, I was confused that Leia left, and I felt no triumph when Dyanne was put on the back burner after her betrayal. there was no satisfaction in the end.
also, why does Jocelyn stay with Tedros? especially after all the beef they were cooking those last 2 episodes. he was so gross and pathetic, it was weird that she kept him along for the ride.
I think she wanted him to stay because she would be bored without her toy; that is not to undermine her experience of abuse but that is exactly what may make her feel at home, that power dynamique and thats why she probably would feel bored in a healthy relationship without this constant fight for domination
Soo, the moral of the show could be that people in the industry are seen as tools to abuse by both men AND women, as both leads turned out to be evil. But that didn’t require GLORIFYING the abuse first, making abuse scenes that were clearly supposed to be sexy. Because that kind of makes the moral “hey you gotta do what you gotta do”.
I’m surprised yo be saying this but… I was more underwhelmed with the Idol in the fact that it was just boring. Like I expected so much more (in terms of the plot 😭😭🥴) I expected the raunchy scenes and Mr Levinson didn’t disappoint 😅 But I was just expected more of an interesting plot and just found myself bored more than anything. At least Euphoria was actually somewhat interesting even tho it’s a mess 💀💀😭🥴
Oh my gosh, Tedro's was such a bootleg Nate. The difference is Jacob Elordi can act
Lily’s acting was the only genuinely good acting of the entire show
I disagree, the Weeknd acting was the only genuinely bad one on this, I mean damn the rest of the cast did an amazing job, Destiny's character was chef kiss
@@watchmydragonproblem6455she carried the show
Suzanna Son was good too. Small role but she was good in it. Rachel Sennot did everything she could with the lackluster material she was given to work with.
What must be going through Sam Levinson’s head? Not much, this could have been written by a teenage boy.
A few days ago i saw some behind the scenes images of the original cut of the series and MY GOD we were robbed so bad. Lily was looking like late 90s britney spears, it was so cute
No sadly it did not get better. This wasn't a cool dark twist this was just a huge no. With all the brilliant people in this it really could have said something that matters and really made a different in how we treat women in these highly exploitative position in society. This is going backwards, this is bad for all of us.
I agree :/
I don't get it, why are we piling on this show for not being something we wanted it to be? It's a really bad criteria to base criticism on. If the ultimate point of the show isn't commentary about exploitation, then so be it. While a story like that would've been nice, don't creators have the right to tell the story THEY want to tell? That's obviously not what they were going for.
There's plenty of other media that are exactly what you want, stuff that has been around forever. It's not some new, ground-breaking concept, quite the opposite really. And so what if this show didn't up being another one of those? A piece of media not being what you expected it to be is such a weird reason to criticize something. There's plenty of valid criticisms here, but this ain't one of them. Not everything has to stand for something, let alone the same thing. Variation is a good thing. Sometimes, a story is just that, a story.
@Blitzbrie it's a very important discussion for us to have either way. The reason people are so shocked by it is how many well known names are part of it and how teenagery the script was along with the maturity of the sexual material without the mental aspect to match. Meaning there was little reason for the multitude of them let alone the explicit nature of them to be shown. When the show is advertised as something that does far from deliver the content boils down to pretty basic glamourized porn. And the nature of having a female director at the helm but tossed aside in favor of this supposed exploitation of a woman in a vulnerable position is disappointing. With the amount of pain on this planet involving this industry, not just adults but also children who are taken advantage of, I'm glad people are sharing their personal taste since we are the ones watching.
So we can't share our opinion of desiring an elevated more true to life version of what has been happening in Hollywood for a very long time. It's important for us to take a close look at what really goes on, that's how real change happens. Instead it was deeply underwhelming and actually harmful to those who are in these vulnerable positions. We need to wake up and have media that reflects our world. The human traffic trade is a billion dollar industry and that includes kids. If we continue to support shows and media that promotes vulnerable people as the abuser we will doom current and future generations to a very sad existence.
There is a place for racey sex scenes and nudity but when the intellectual content is not there to back it up it all it hang on is the sex stuff and unfortunately falls flat. It's very important we discuss what content we support and which fails us when it's dealing with delicate themes such as these. You don't just run through it like a bull in a China shop and expect to be smooth sailing. I hope that helps give you some insight as to why people feel strongly about this.
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@@Blitzbrieits because it doesn't make any sense
i really don’t think she made up the abuse, i think she replaced the brush with something new because she doesn’t need it to motivate her anymore. her trauma was coded into the show the entire time and her team even confirmed what happened because they saw it firsthand
Exactly cause everyone thinks she lied when in fact she didn’t need the brush of old memories of her mom… she got a new brush for tedros to hit her with 😂
Omg ... true.
Her mom should’ve been the cult leader and Jocelyn just picked up the mantle when she passed away which would have set it up for Tedros to think he’s controlling things but it’s really Jocelyn softly grooming him into the cult
I am sorry but doing various emotions are definitely not foreshadowing of sociopathic behaviour. She was an actor before being a singer ffs.
This just lazy writing
The way this show took 20 years off my life 😭
I personally feel that the story would have made a LOT more sense if the final twist was dealt with, with a little more thought.
It would have been a far more compelling narrative if the story's twist had been that Jocelyn was taking revenge on everyone in her surrounding for exploiting her; her mother for being abusive, Dyanne for backstabbing her, her management for exploiting her, Rob for cheating on her, and finally, Tedros for...everything he tried to pull. Technically, I think that was what they wanted to pull off... but the reveal that she lied about her mother's abuse, just ended up throwing the entire story off-balance and the motive...almost non-existent.
Anyway, bottomline is, Sam Levinson had a lot of potential as a director, but now he REALLY needs to get his feet back on the ground and stop getting cocky just because Euphoria Season 1 and the extra episodes gained mass acclaim. Hubris won't get him anywhere.
Spot on. The most balanced take here. Dude needs to work with a decent writer or a decent team of writers for future projects.
For me, the ending would be better if Jocelyn became manipulative through the series. Like making it seem like the industry turns you into a bad person and the abused has to become the abuser to survive in this kind of job. I feel like that would be a stronger message.
It's very clear that they didn't want to first of all make a man the villain of the show, but also clearly couldn't think of a good way how to achieve any type of plot twist since Tedros was from the very start revealed as f*cked up to say the least. They just went about this story all wrong and I'm not even shocked it ended up as trashy as it did.
Both of them are mentally ill people with traumas. Not real « villains »like in the marvels. Just complex characters like in real life .
I have not seen a single episode and I am proud of that
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I think Sam’s problem is that too many people blew smoke up his butt with euphoria season one. And now he thinks he’s a great auteur, when he’s just a guy who wrote about his drug use in high school. The idol could have been good if it was done by a more sophisticated hand, including the “twist”.
So the show that was supposed to show the difficult lives of female artists in the music industry and their experiences, hardships and exploitations somehow turned into a “haha every crazy and f*caked up thing happened to the female artist was because she wanted to climb the fame ladder” and “she did it to herself” ?
I’m soooo confused
Show it's about Jocelyn... not every female artist.
The music though! One thing I realized at the end of the this show was : Sure it was disappointing and boring, but.. Yo the MUSIC? Was really good! Like you said, "I'm a freak yeah" was fun because it served its purpose, they made it "generic pop" on purpose, to then give Jocelyn songs with more guts like the one she sings " Daddy, Doll house, Messed up"? That was good. "One of your girls" ? Amazing! The songs Izaak and Chloe and Xander sing? Amazing too!
I started to like the song too!! 💀 It feels good to know I’m not alone in this. Also your little dance to it is my new favorite thing. 💕
Lily played her role amazingly, but the weeknd's acting was just to convincing especially since he was "one of the minds behind the show" like please explain to me HOW you thought to incorporate those specific disturbing scenes that didn't need to be there. The end of the show also would have been really good if while Jocelyn was on stage she came out about everything that she had endured and now her and her friends are safe etc. I think that would have just made more sense and would have at least tied into the original story the show was supposed to follow, which would have talked about Jocelyns experience as a child star and how her mom played a role in that. The ending just felt like they were setting it up for a season two, but what is it going to be about? Basically a repeat of season one with Jocelyns team trying to chase tedros away but with Jocelyn "in control" this time. I don't know I just want the original version.
Loving this editing!!!
The way the flip the script is giving maneater-👀👀👀 like how?
ngl but "baby it's hard to see..." has been stuck in my head for weeks
0:04 i thought the Weeknd was creeping up behind you and I got so scared for a sec
You need a vlog channel fr fr bro I've been watching you since the college days and i'm so happy to see you succeed and grow. Much loveee💜💟💜
This past week there have been photos of the original The Idol set directed by Amy Seimetz leaked on Twitter and the set actually looked good and the props and everything and it looked more pleasing to see in comparison to whatever the heck Sam was making. Also I still want to know who is the anonymous cast member who talked about the toxic work enviornment in the rolling stone article.
omg the amount of time during the day I would start singing 'i'm just a freak yeah...' HAHAHA. Glad I wasn't the only one
been waiting for your take on this 🧃
The ending of The Idol was SUPER out of place to me. The Weeknd’s character tedros started off extremely confident, manipulative, and resilient. By the end of it, he seemed like joss was the one beating him with that hairbrush instead LMAO..
Joss’ nipples got more screen time than any meaningful plot events the audience needed to put the pieces of this show together.
I would've loved to see an ending where joselyn still takes over the cult and kicks
out tedros, he could've set out to get his return on dyanne like he said in the beginning-
sabotaging joss and having her label pull through with dyanne doing World Class Sinner
as her first single. Leaving the audience rooting for one antagonist or the other.
I think a lot of the unnecessary scenes are events that actually occurred in the weekend’s life. They are very real and necessary to him but I wish he had had better council. People always say write what you know but I think he did this without realizing that he spoon fed way too much of his experiences and didn’t develop why people would care or resonate with the people or story. Sometimes things that mold or are important moments in out lives are not good stories on their own. Idk but I think with time the weekend will be able to move on from this and I bet the backlash will evoke so mad music!
You really are serving with this look bestie ❤️🫶🏾
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I wanna see the episode they completely cut after the 3rd episode they cut it down to 5 episodes instead of 6! Because the 5th episode was like two episodes mashed into one and we definitely missed some plot points that was probably important!
It’s funny I thought the same thing too about The Weeknd. I’ve need a fan of his for years and always thought he was 6 foot because his music gives off that energy…found out a week ago he’s 5’8 and I was like I could of gone my entire life not knowing that 😂😂😂
the way that i’ve been waiting for this.
Save your Tears(Remix) hits different
“The weekend was giving me 6 foot energy with his music” lmao so truuuue
the idol did not make sense
Oh baby. It looks like HBO will have to release Amy’s original if they want to make their return on the project. This version of the series which Abel asked for because it was more aligned with “his vision,” just isn’t enjoyable to watch. It came across as Andrew Tate coded. Yikes. Yikes. YIKES.
Able comes across as a big creepy narcissist
This is gonna sound mad & slightly problematic but despite the poor execution of this show…I kinda want a season 2👀. I feel like with Sam what’s his face gone & a complete revamp of the script the show would EAT because there’s so many unanswered questions right now. Where is Laia (or is it Lèah…)? How does her getting back with Tedros affect her relationship with her team? Does Xander’s music career take off? Like idk maybe I’m twisted & need therapy but I feel like The Idol actually had/has so much potential but the execution was terrible because not only is it just hyper sexualised but like you said,the show doesn’t really pick up until episode 4 and it’s a limited series soo…yeah🤷🏾♀️
agree, they literally gave us no info the whole season. we need some answers.
I'm confused by what you mean when you say that the things they cut out was allegedly a lot worse. I thought everything they cut was when Amy Seimetz was the producer, and then she left. Abel, according to a source, said her work leaned too heavily into the female perspective. Is that what you're suggesting could have been worse? Or is it just other parts of the Sam Levinson/Weeknd vision that got cut that you're saying was worse?
Omg i started watching your channel when you were making gw/dc content and i also moved to cali (sf) recently and i love it so much compared to dc lol
Off topic but does YT really make you bleep the word torture?
World class sinner grew on me too lol I listen to it on Spotify and accidentally learned all the words oops
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First off most of the Jocelyn songs are lit. “Fill the void” “world class sinnner” and “Dollhouse” 😍🥰
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It was Abel's presence that always ruined the scenes of the show yet ironically wanted more screen time💀
AWWW ❤☀✨welcome to california friend!
I watched The Idol just because I’m a BLACKPINK fan and I wanted to see Jennie, but Lily Rose Depp really shined as an actress here! Made me want to keep an eye out for her in whatever new project she’d be in-hopefully a much better project than this.
After watching this show, I can’t express how disgusted I am with Abel aka the Weekend’s lyrics. It’s to the point that I deleted any music I had of him ( I only had like 3 songs lol but still) just because I didn’t wanna hear his lyrics. The fact that he defends this project tooth and nail makes it all the more icky for me.
Overall the only good thing from this show aside from Lily was the cinematography-very beautiful shots. Such wasted potential.
All I can say is: YIKES
9:12 bby tell ur editor it’s ok to say heinous!
I only watched two episodes but the music for the show does it justice cause world class sinner, fill the void, one of the girls, double fantasy, and popular is something good
I think a bunch of time was wasted where they could have been explaining some of the plot gaps. I also think they worried about setting up a season 2 leaving for a second season to explain a lot.
Wait I didn’t think she lied about her mothers abuse. I think she just brought another brush? Wouldn’t he have noticed if it was new before? Maybe not if he was high. But Xander said her mother hit her … I’m confused y’all
“The Weeknd was giving me 6 foot energy with his music” why is that so funny? 😂
If I said there was a 2 hour movie edit of the show where there was no femme fatale storyline (and way less nudity/sex scenes) would y’all watch it?
I also wanna see the episode that got cut because the transition from 4 to 5 makes no sense
I really hated this show
5:38 im weak as freakkkk😭😭
I still don't get "the satire", was that just an excuse to be yuck? I was hoping maybe it would be like showgirls where it's so bad it's good again 😆 how naive of me.
Girl what are you saying? The last episode comes out tomorrow😂
🎶"Maybe it's hard to see
When you're lookin' at me"🎶
Ofc he's 5'8 ofc
He is 5'7
Alexa Demie was in the club scene with Dyanne and Josslyn when tedros first met josslyn
Your reaction made the show so much hilarious 😂
it was!
I really thought that they were gonna twist it that Joc set up Rob. I'm sure they shot and scraped that scene because it would've been too evil from her.
We need the Amy cut
I think I definitely perceived this show differently to most people it had dark and unsettling scenes (with the abuse and control) but I also saw the humorous nature of this show it almost confuses your brain though like most unsettling movies or scenes in film where you laugh and feel uncomfortable at the same time, maybe that was the point of the character?? to give you a false sense of safety where you felt as though you could trust Tedros or at least laugh at his ridiculous nature (because he ain't the macho man he's making out to be', the scenes where Jocelyn kinda puts her hand on his shoulder to get him to chill kinda supports this view for me) but then when you see the abuse again, you go back to hating him thinking dang he's messed up.Maybe I'm the only way that see's that but believe or not I didn't think it was a bad watch. its funny if anything, and I'm not taking the series to seriously. people always try to attach too much meaning sometimes when sometimes its just a trash show that you watch for entertainment, a bit like if you've seen 'Skins' or 'shameless uk' (I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE US) as I have never seen it. Also if you have ever seen anuvahood the character 'tyrone' he kinda giving those vibes. I know I've had personal experiences with people who give me tedros vibes like they aren't the nicest people, you laugh with them at times but really you don't feel safe around that person as they are so unpredictable and could smack you the next minute with no reason so it does kinda express the abusive unsettling nature of tedros to me (maybe its just me but.. yeah). if you have had mental health struggles surrounding abuse or have been mentally, physically or verbally/emotionally abused you may get the message, but I don't suppose everyone will. (I've been in abusive relationships so I know what i'm talking about) lmao.
I'm so glad I didn't watch this
to me that was one of thr worst show i've ever seen still don't get why Lily-rose got herself into this mess and defending it
I liked the show it was crazy but I like it and the music I was excited for season 2
Welcome to LA! Hopefully our paths cross one of these days 🥂
Thanks for watching this so I didn’t have to! 😅
Vlog channel since you're an LA baddie now 🥺
2:49 that’s what I thoughhhttttt the lyrics were lame but the song was catchy like 🤭🤭
The best thing about this stupid show is that it's given us so much content from all my fave youtubers🤌🏾
frr 😭😭
Truly the best part! All The Idol content without The Idol 👌🏿
Frr😂😂😂😂
The Shows that makes you think - aren't bad
if i was johnny depp i’d be so embarrassed
The idol shines a light on Diddy and Cassie relationship
yep, I can't hear The Weeknd now, I just feel uncomfortable. And I'm not watching Euphoria season 3, F Sam Levinson.
I really appreciate your sacrifice for watching the show for us❤still, if you ever feel like quitting a show or something bc it's too much, please do. Take care of yourself