This is awesome, well done. Well researched, both in historical fact, gnostic scholarship, and WoD lore. When you can't tell where one ends and the next begins, you know it's perfect.
Love the IRL history in there 🖤 I'd love to see more from scholarship on gnosticism in the Path of Cathari, no matter what is felt regarding the increasingly prevalent role it has in the V5.
Great video! As much as I love Cult of the Blood Gods, the Church of Caine's theology and cosmogony are left quite vague and are even contradictory in the text (Caine is described as "the face, voice and mind of the Demiurge" even though it should be quite the opposite, as per gnostic belief). I think the golden standard book for the Church lore remains, sadly, Cainite Heresy for VTDA.
Would you be interested in bringing in Dr. Joseph Sledge of the Esoterica channel to talk about esoteric history in Vampire and WoD in general?? He's brought up D&D and even VtM at least once!
It has always fascinated me the close interpretations of a Kindred's relationship with the Beast in both the Church of Caine and The One True Way. I hadn't made the connection with Gnosticism and the relationship with the material though. Thank you for the insight.
My beloved elder what happened to my brother Caitiff did I miss something how did he meet his final death he was so young 😭 even though he was two steps above from being a thin blood and was a partial sign of the end times he was my half decent Caitiff 😭
@@LoreByNightVtM😭 Excuse me my elder for shedding my vitae rich tears all over your beautiful carpet but I'll do anything to figure out the final fate of my fallen neonate Caitiff just give me a hour or two to view your discussions with him and I'll return.
After doing my research on the Caitiff and I truly do apologize for shedding a single-tier over that waste of Cain's blood all you had to tell me was you were the one that sent him to final death and I would have taken that as all the knowledge that I would have needed my magnificent elder. I'm merely now disappointed about how another neonate got himself killed and such an idiotic way and wasted a potential eternity because he fought infernal what's cute. I merely have two questions for you my elder one did the Caitiff no pain before he met final death and two can I call dibs on whatever is left of his body for research purposes 😅 please my beloved elder.
Concept The Neonate woke up in a bed. How? They died again. But then as they looked... Zacharias Zimmery was relaxing next,eying him. "Ah! Your awake, good! How are you feeling?" "Wh...what happened? Am i dead?" "Welll,you were technically speaking. Your master took my knowledge...perhaps not as good as i hoped. Nevertheless however! As for why you are among the living once again,it was not easy,but i pulled some strings,thanks to both my own power,and a magi in my thrall. That being said however,i would suggest leaving the brittish isles as soon as you can,your former master would likely be ensuring you are still dead." "I...why?" Zimmery eyed the neonate. "Why what?" "Why did you save me?" Zacharias laughed. "Ah. Well little lamb,shall we say...someone dear to your former master inspired me,if that makes sense? But my reasons i shall keep to my chest. I shall take you as far as the airport,then feel free to go as you will." To be continued...
I tend to find the church of caine subtly frustrating as i tend to downplay noddist theology outside of the sabbat in my games. I actually eventually re gigged with a more altruistic langea sanctum in direct conflict with noddism, ashirra and other non abrahamic groups.
Going from Esoterica's video on real gnostic history, to this, is such a trip lol. Really well done alt-history right here.
This is awesome, well done. Well researched, both in historical fact, gnostic scholarship, and WoD lore. When you can't tell where one ends and the next begins, you know it's perfect.
Well said!
Good to see you back for this and also answering my question on how the conversation about the demon went.
Love the IRL history in there 🖤
I'd love to see more from scholarship on gnosticism in the Path of Cathari, no matter what is felt regarding the increasingly prevalent role it has in the V5.
Great video! As much as I love Cult of the Blood Gods, the Church of Caine's theology and cosmogony are left quite vague and are even contradictory in the text (Caine is described as "the face, voice and mind of the Demiurge" even though it should be quite the opposite, as per gnostic belief).
I think the golden standard book for the Church lore remains, sadly, Cainite Heresy for VTDA.
All very valid, and I definitely agree with you
Was researching this subject yesterday and found only one video. Today my favorit vtm youtuber posts about it! What a dark Xmas bleeding indeed!
Would you be interested in bringing in Dr. Joseph Sledge of the Esoterica channel to talk about esoteric history in Vampire and WoD in general?? He's brought up D&D and even VtM at least once!
Can't say I've heard of him 🧐
Good to see you back..
Been here for a while but thank you!
It has always fascinated me the close interpretations of a Kindred's relationship with the Beast in both the Church of Caine and The One True Way. I hadn't made the connection with Gnosticism and the relationship with the material though. Thank you for the insight.
RIP Ryan
My beloved elder what happened to my brother Caitiff did I miss something how did he meet his final death he was so young 😭 even though he was two steps above from being a thin blood and was a partial sign of the end times he was my half decent Caitiff 😭
Check out the Blood Sorcery episode, then the Demon: The Fallen material, then the episode on the Abominations
@@LoreByNightVtM😭 Excuse me my elder for shedding my vitae rich tears all over your beautiful carpet but I'll do anything to figure out the final fate of my fallen neonate Caitiff just give me a hour or two to view your discussions with him and I'll return.
After doing my research on the Caitiff and I truly do apologize for shedding a single-tier over that waste of Cain's blood all you had to tell me was you were the one that sent him to final death and I would have taken that as all the knowledge that I would have needed my magnificent elder. I'm merely now disappointed about how another neonate got himself killed and such an idiotic way and wasted a potential eternity because he fought infernal what's cute. I merely have two questions for you my elder one did the Caitiff no pain before he met final death and two can I call dibs on whatever is left of his body for research purposes 😅 please my beloved elder.
@LoreByNightVtM I might be a dumb dumb dumb but I just checked out those videos and I still don't get what happened :-(
Concept
The Neonate woke up in a bed. How? They died again. But then as they looked... Zacharias Zimmery was relaxing next,eying him.
"Ah! Your awake, good! How are you feeling?"
"Wh...what happened? Am i dead?"
"Welll,you were technically speaking. Your master took my knowledge...perhaps not as good as i hoped. Nevertheless however! As for why you are among the living once again,it was not easy,but i pulled some strings,thanks to both my own power,and a magi in my thrall. That being said however,i would suggest leaving the brittish isles as soon as you can,your former master would likely be ensuring you are still dead."
"I...why?"
Zimmery eyed the neonate.
"Why what?"
"Why did you save me?"
Zacharias laughed.
"Ah. Well little lamb,shall we say...someone dear to your former master inspired me,if that makes sense? But my reasons i shall keep to my chest. I shall take you as far as the airport,then feel free to go as you will."
To be continued...
Oh no. The neonate is no more?
But great video
I tend to find the church of caine subtly frustrating as i tend to downplay noddist theology outside of the sabbat in my games. I actually eventually re gigged with a more altruistic langea sanctum in direct conflict with noddism, ashirra and other non abrahamic groups.