only youtuber who talk guides and play thats what we all looking for!! by far best content! Im almost 2k rio on my shadow priest and i do pretty good dmg since i got bis trinket from grim batol and bis trinket from ara kara, yesterday i got bis wand from grim batol aswell but dont have proper off hand! Thanks for videos man!!
people are just brainwashed with "meta". Im almost 2,5k Windwalker and nobody wants me in a +7 ara kara or grim batol. Impossible for me to find 9+, 10+
Absolutely agree, couldn't have said it better... it's not an easy class to play but its made even worst when you cannot pug anything.. and when you try to run our own keys, you come across ''leavers' and brick you key. This week was better because the affix the mass dispel came in handy. But i dont do any keys unless im with my friends now. I think to make Spriest more appealable.. is to give the class a Brez or some sort of functionality to the other members.
Thanks for the quality run ! Very instructive ! I’m quite sad of shadow and community state… I just got mine out of a box but I’m hesitating to pursue on it (main Ret pal who wants to play an alt caster) Still possible to run and perform 4-8 keys you think ?
I’ve been having the same problems on my warlock about the same io. And then I’ll finally get into a key and I outdps most of the other people in my keys and half the time they have higher ilvl than I have.
I got the same perception... i am close to 2500 rating now with a 2 chested tirna on my list... For weekly its hard to get into the key again I need to be really lucky. I think in general Priest (i know shadow has one but come on 45s?) needs a shorter kick 30s at least without the need to spec into it. This would be helpful as there are a lot of adds to kick. The kick should be baseline for priests as psychic scream is almost useless/a bad choice due to the interrupt changes. The next thing is we could use an alternative to mass dispel as it is not really needed anymore with such a long CD at least from a shadow perspective. Maybe a skill to apply DoTs in case of a failed shadow crash (you guys know this situation :P) would be nice. One more thing that also comes into my mind would be the extension/decrease of the DoTs that we have out... We already can extend DoTs with the void eruption build and the DoTs do good damage but if an Enemy is almost dead or half way dead etc. we dont get good use of it - it would be nice to have the possibility to let DoTs remaining damage explode to actually get use of the time.
I made a prot warrior alt for this reason trying to get into pugs as a Spriest no matter how good you are is next to impossible you might get lucky and prove yourself but once the key is over it is back to the decline parade.
Dot a few things before a shadow crash on huge pulls, make sure to keep using mind blasts and not leaving them off cooldown, and with Archon hero spec your mind flay insanity also spawns shadowy apparitions so weaving these in is key! Essentially just keep trying to get as many uses of apparition spawning abilities as possible particularly during voidform windows, so weaving between the cooldowns of void bolt/mind blast and managing devouring plagues and mind flay insanity procs, you never want to be sat with full mind blast charges or a void bolt ready for long periods of time, never overcap on mind flay insanities and never overcap insanity I go over this somewhat in my shadow tips video I made a few weeks back
They should give the class an actual interrupt. Holy and disc not having one and shadow having a 45 sec cd is absolutely bonkers for no reason. I don't understand why blizzard keeps some classes from having interrupts while this season is so heavy on the interrupts
hi I really like what you do! a little remark, it would be great if you could install an addon to see the spells you cast. also I share your feeling, currently playing the SP is very frustrating when you have to look for a group especially when the key level is +7 and the meta has very little importance or none at all
Yeah I’m 615 atm and get zero invites to 7s. I’ve literally seen a group decline me to grab a bm which is less damage when they already had a bl on the healer… Shadow brings survivability and really good group/st buffing, but its kinda hard to understand that when you can get a bl from a mage and its mega obvious and in your face what the benefit of that is. The upcoming buff is gonna be big though and it was like this in shadowlands too, just dead on arrival but then buffed liked crazy, so could be the same deal here.
How can you show 4 procs of mind flay insanity on you screen, I mean it only shows 2 procs in my screen, even there are already 4 stacks caped.. it only shows one on left and one on right, on your screen I see 4 bars, how can I show that?
Shadow priest here, and I agree that shadow is bad. I LOVE the spec, for me it’s the coolest in the game, and don’t get me wrong our potential IS there, we have insane damage potential, but the reality of that potential being reached isn’t that big. In order for me to be able to do good damage the other dps can’t be melee, because they press 4 buttons and do 1million dps in 5 seconds, meanwhile us spriests are still applying dots lol and by the time we are ready to do damage the mobs are already around half hp, the pulls have to be big, if you’re fighting a single pack you’re not gonna do any damage, and it feels bad seeing a tank doing as much damage as you in a pull like that. Everyone I talk to says shadow is OP because of the one video they saw where everything went right during a +11 where the tank pulls 20 mobs and the other dps don’t just murder everything in the first 15 seconds. And when they don’t say we’re OP for our damage they say we’re op because of ms, pi, fort, and md. Imagine being “OP” because of that, such minor things in my opinion. But yeah a lot of factors are at work that can make you either be in 1st place for dps or literally last place just above the tank and none of it is skill based, doesn’t feel good ngl
I'm 2270 io, all keys done on +8, couple +9s. 35 minutes of applying to a +9, can't get invited. Alt f4. I love this game, I hate this community and all these tier list seekers.
@@staciaa15432 can top damage when played decently ! Definitely need something else to their kit (or just more damage) but useless is a stretch I'd say !
@@staciaa15432SP Useless??? Wtf dude sp can do mega off heal and share PI… 0 game knowladgr. Top players play high keys with no healer at all but every grp has a SP…
I was denied getting into +4s to cap on runed crests on my spriest ilvl612 with a score of 2k... basically if i dont run with friends or a guild i either only get into terrible groups or not at all.
I also strictly pug and my mythic rating is ~2600, I think the real issue with shadow priest is that they lack real utility. Back in shadowlands and dragonflight you might have not been top dps but you were relatively competitive, had huge PI buff and huge offhealing with vampiric embrace. They've nerfed PI, they've super nerfed vampiric embrace (I think this is a talent thing or bugfix or something, before it used to do absolutely outrageous offhealing in a cleave scenario and now it's whatever.) I remember back in shadowlands I healed through hakkar in a +20 or higher DOS with 4dps with just vampiric embrace. Basically without big offhealing and big damage, I don't really see why you would pick shadow. Kicks are so important that taking a shadow priest really wipes you a lot of the time when you would have had an easy clear with a rogue or a boomkin or frost DK. You also can't really use psychic scream as a stun because it instantly breaks, and if you have the double talent you just end up super-ramping the enemy cc resist, and you have to be in melee range. I know blizzard doesn't want to give back offhealing to dps (because of people playing 4dps lmao) so things I think would make shadow good in m+: - everyone says this but make shadow crash hit all targets - I think this is a fine change, it's weird that it also has no priority on it, if it prioritized the tankier units it might be fine - when units die with your dots on them, they explode in a small aoe, dealing the remaining damage instantly. I think this would make it so that you deal decent damage against small targets, at least from a community perception standpoint. This probably doesn't actually help you clear keys since your ret pally would have killed them in 2 more GCDs but your parse could at least look good in a 20+ target pull - make silence better, either make it have a shorter cooldown, give it a second charge, or make it aoe like boomkin or rogue garrote at the beginning of a pull. I think if I weren't personally playing shadow priest I wouldn't pick them over a balance druid ever - solar beam is so insane and you get better team buff in versatility, which is also making you tankier. you also get a battle rez that isn't terrible - a lot of the dungeons this expansion you can't revive people with jumper cables because they die in puddles (I think literally every dungeon this season has huge aoe puddles that screw you if you die in them like the first boss of ara kara) - in a similar vein I think giving priest's talent "petrifying scream" a 2s stun instead of only making it fear them in place might make the community perception better - with archon getting like 3s of stuns after the fear recast would make some pulls a lot safer. - you could give shadow a battle rez also - could be something like guardian spirit/soulstone or just a normal rez. Sometimes people wait to accept a dps that has a brez or you just wipe dungeons when your healer dies at the beginning of a boss fight and your comp is warrior/shadowpriest/rogue/hunter. overall I think shadow priest is actually not good this season - it's been absolutely bonkers in the past but now that you're bottom dps its not great. There's a chance that the 11.0.5 changes to voidform maintaining out of combat is a big enough change to make shadow good again but we'll have to see.
Please post this to the official wow forums! Some great ideas. I remember early in legion we had a proper aoe stun, it was.. something bomb I can't remember the name. It acted similarly to shadowfury, it was awesome. Then they quickly nerfed and ruined it
Same issue for me finding a group, it's hard to get into +9s but need them to progress my gear level any further to then make it easier to get invited, so hit a bit of a wall now and almost ready to stop playing.
One thing that I’ve noticed is that due to the severity of punishment for deaths. Most groups don’t want us because we’re so squishy. Perceptively our dps isn’t too far behind others but if you have the pick of the litter. Why would you choose to hinder yourself with a Spriest? It’s not personal. They’re just trying to give themselves the best chance at success.
Yeah absolutely, I do understand it. I'm just not sure what the solution is, priest has a lot of utility.. giving us more could be too much, but as you said, it's very much the case atm of, why take one when you can wait for something else
I think the thing shadow priest is not welcomed, is just the crowd control lacking. Actually, it isn't just for shadow priest, it happened on me when I play disc and holy in M+ environment as well
And you made the point, they really need to give priest other valuable outside of damage or healing..... otherwise this class just ruined even I love it and play through Vanilla till now
It’s honestly not even about SP when it comes to getting groups. Literally every class that isn’t meta struggles. People even gatekeep healers and if you’re not a shaman gl.
From 13:00 PM till 5:00 AM i managed to get into 3 or 4 keys, ofc not 10s and i'm 621 2476 io with some 10s already timed btw. i lost all my will to play tbh and it's 20% game's fault 80% community fault.
I completely feel what you are saying the worse part is why would you take Shadow if you want a priest the other 2 Specs are just so much better in what they do and bring the same stuff we bring. I personally thought of switching Class just to able to play the Game and not sit in Dornogal waiting to get invited, i don't know what they could do to make this Spec i enjoy so much viable in more peoples eyes, its frustrating.
I mean with shammies this feels a lot like dragonflight s2 or s3 when they nerfed mass dispel because of how mandatory it was in high keys. For this season specifically shammy has so many things for all of these dungeon on top of being one of the best if not the best healer performing purely number wise and it's honestly quite simple to play. the combination of all these things are making it so strong. when it comes to shadow I mean just buff it's dmg honestly priest's utility is nice it just doesn't work on the dungeons in current rotation, like it doesn't bring anything we need to the table so at least make it do some damage.
voidweaver gets a big buff with id reset. think after that VW is infront of archon. and yes i have the same problems with invites. i am on 2,2k and look like forever for a random grp. its just annoying but i stay on shadow couse i like to play it and the time comes again that shadow is OP like every addon then we get insta invs
I just want mindsear back. It was such a Cool spell and made aoe so easy. Now its a gamble if your tank takes this into consideration while chainpulling.. tabtarget vt does not feel good..
It’s not just community perception or damage in my opinion it’s lack of utility. In pugs you want as many stuns kicks knock ups brez lust etc. as you can get. The only thing priest brings is stam buff and PI.
Got psychic scream but, yeah it's rubbish honestly. We used to have an aoe stun like shadowfury.. I think it was called mind bomb. I'd love that to come back
Same noone invites me 😢 . Maybe they should give spriest more offhealing like start of dragonflight or make shadow a support spec like augmentation. That way at least people can choose between 2 classes
It does surprise me that since creating the support niche with aug, that they haven't added another spec that can fulfill that role. Perhaps it could be a priest thing!
What about vampiric touch giving a true life steal for anyone dealing direct damage (you heal yourself for percentage of damage death and the mob loses the same amount, like 1-2%). Vampiric embrace buffs the amount for a while.
@@BiteSizeWoW and it would be leech that increases the dps a bit too (it literally steals life from mobs, hitting absorb doesn't trigger it and it is based on vampiric touch so priest better land those shadow crashes)
I came into this patch playing shadow. I love the gameplay, I love the changes, I love everything about shadow, the only thing is lack of mobility, but, I mean, l2p, right? TLDR I ended up playing my vengeance as I can't find a key and waiting around for a tank for 20 minutes straight in my key is just sad. The problem is not new, the moment you diverge from the meta - good luck I'm 28, I have things to do with my life apart from games, I don't get that much time to play so yea, as many people might have noticed, great game, great character, shit community.
I haven't had a group issue yet, im still gearing through heroics so they dont have a choice but to run with me, but i will say spriest is my alt this season looking forward to push some keys with him.
There is one big underlying issue you are also facing its just that there are a lot of bad shadow players. I know this as once you are actually geared you start pumping and people just start saying wow i didn't know shadow can do that etc. Its hard to explain but like an arcane mage rotation is basic as in comparison so it allows for lesser skilled players to be far more competitive than they should be, Also its the usual start of the xpansion shadow hasn't been good off the bat since Legion.
I just can't sustain my damage. I can start fights and get to 1.4 to 1.5 mil but over time I just tank down to 700k Idk what I'm doing wrong. I'm looking at the rotation and I feel like thats what i'm doing xD
Check out my shadow guide/shadow tips video, but the main thing I would suggest is just try to be efficient with procs/insanity, you want to try and have as much time as possible where you have something to press that isn't a normal mind flay. So spread out mind blasts, void bolts, mind flay insanity, devouring plague etc to try and not overcap / have any of them sat on Max charges for too long
I Played shadow whole Dragonflight. I have to say, bad AOE Burst, very long kick cc, not the best Group CC, struggles with Pugg (you dont know the Routes of the tanks ) since you are a CD class. Also hardcore struggles with fast chain pulling. Also this Season is SO rough from 9 to 10. I mean you Almost only see dk's, shamans and mages in these 10's/11's. Sorry to say but, having a group to play with seems so Important currently. Also with 22 Rio im surprised you got into a 9 key 😮
the plan from blizzard was +9 keys with an item level between 600-610. but this community is just meta blindet. 90% cant even play them right. i am over mages and dks in keys on lvl 9/10 and that as an shadow. so its not our fault its just the braindead community
you say it was never as bad as it is now as sp to get into groups. that is just not right. sp was most of DF meta in m+ and even in shadowlands for some time. before that it was just as painful to get into groups as now. i play shadow since wotlk. we have to prey to the old gods before every xpansion to not be dogshit
It's my opinion! I've played shadow/wow on and off since cataclysm. Dragonflight was peak (for mplus, raiding was legion), but I can honestly say for me personally I've never had a harder time getting groups than right now. More buffs next week though
only youtuber who talk guides and play thats what we all looking for!! by far best content! Im almost 2k rio on my shadow priest and i do pretty good dmg since i got bis trinket from grim batol and bis trinket from ara kara, yesterday i got bis wand from grim batol aswell but dont have
proper off hand! Thanks for videos man!!
people are just brainwashed with "meta". Im almost 2,5k Windwalker and nobody wants me in a +7 ara kara or grim batol. Impossible for me to find 9+, 10+
Absolutely agree, couldn't have said it better... it's not an easy class to play but its made even worst when you cannot pug anything.. and when you try to run our own keys, you come across ''leavers' and brick you key. This week was better because the affix the mass dispel came in handy. But i dont do any keys unless im with my friends now. I think to make Spriest more appealable.. is to give the class a Brez or some sort of functionality to the other members.
Thanks for the quality run ! Very instructive !
I’m quite sad of shadow and community state… I just got mine out of a box but I’m hesitating to pursue on it (main Ret pal who wants to play an alt caster)
Still possible to run and perform 4-8 keys you think ?
Absolutely, but you will have a far easier time on a mage is the honest truth, but if you enjoy shadow, persevere!
I’ve been having the same problems on my warlock about the same io. And then I’ll finally get into a key and I outdps most of the other people in my keys and half the time they have higher ilvl than I have.
I got the same perception... i am close to 2500 rating now with a 2 chested tirna on my list... For weekly its hard to get into the key again I need to be really lucky.
I think in general Priest (i know shadow has one but come on 45s?) needs a shorter kick 30s at least without the need to spec into it. This would be helpful as there are a lot of adds to kick. The kick should be baseline for priests as psychic scream is almost useless/a bad choice due to the interrupt changes.
The next thing is we could use an alternative to mass dispel as it is not really needed anymore with such a long CD at least from a shadow perspective. Maybe a skill to apply DoTs in case of a failed shadow crash (you guys know this situation :P) would be nice.
One more thing that also comes into my mind would be the extension/decrease of the DoTs that we have out... We already can extend DoTs with the void eruption build and
the DoTs do good damage but if an Enemy is almost dead or half way dead etc. we dont get good use of it - it would be nice to have the possibility to let DoTs remaining damage explode to actually get use of the time.
a 45 second cd talented interrupt is 100% a huge issue
Nice video, could i recommend you to have a spell tracker, so it's easier to follow your rotation along?
I made a prot warrior alt for this reason trying to get into pugs as a Spriest no matter how good you are is next to impossible you might get lucky and prove yourself but once the key is over it is back to the decline parade.
Im 2400 io/ 620 ilvl and get declined in every 7 to 9 key, the only way is Puggin my own key.
Shadow crash needs 2 charges and a 15 sec cooldown
Bro, whats the secret to getting all thos apparitions out? I really want to learn the spec but i have a lot of learning to do
Dot a few things before a shadow crash on huge pulls, make sure to keep using mind blasts and not leaving them off cooldown, and with Archon hero spec your mind flay insanity also spawns shadowy apparitions so weaving these in is key! Essentially just keep trying to get as many uses of apparition spawning abilities as possible particularly during voidform windows, so weaving between the cooldowns of void bolt/mind blast and managing devouring plagues and mind flay insanity procs, you never want to be sat with full mind blast charges or a void bolt ready for long periods of time, never overcap on mind flay insanities and never overcap insanity
I go over this somewhat in my shadow tips video I made a few weeks back
@@BiteSizeWoW thank you so much! I'll go back and look for it.
how can i get your plater settings? looks rly nice!
Will put the video I got them from in the description :)
@@BiteSizeWoW Thanks mate!
From my SP experience. Our long CD on CC/Cuts and slow build up dmg compared to other classes is the problem.
Even tho’ im usually top DPS 😅
They should give the class an actual interrupt. Holy and disc not having one and shadow having a 45 sec cd is absolutely bonkers for no reason. I don't understand why blizzard keeps some classes from having interrupts while this season is so heavy on the interrupts
hi I really like what you do! a little remark, it would be great if you could install an addon to see the spells you cast. also I share your feeling, currently playing the SP is very frustrating when you have to look for a group especially when the key level is +7 and the meta has very little importance or none at all
Thankyou, and thankyou for the feedback! I think I will have to get that addon
Yeah I’m 615 atm and get zero invites to 7s. I’ve literally seen a group decline me to grab a bm which is less damage when they already had a bl on the healer… Shadow brings survivability and really good group/st buffing, but its kinda hard to understand that when you can get a bl from a mage and its mega obvious and in your face what the benefit of that is. The upcoming buff is gonna be big though and it was like this in shadowlands too, just dead on arrival but then buffed liked crazy, so could be the same deal here.
How can you show 4 procs of mind flay insanity on you screen, I mean it only shows 2 procs in my screen, even there are already 4 stacks caped.. it only shows one on left and one on right, on your screen I see 4 bars, how can I show that?
Publik's shadow weakauras in my description, they're fantastic
Shadow priest here, and I agree that shadow is bad. I LOVE the spec, for me it’s the coolest in the game, and don’t get me wrong our potential IS there, we have insane damage potential, but the reality of that potential being reached isn’t that big. In order for me to be able to do good damage the other dps can’t be melee, because they press 4 buttons and do 1million dps in 5 seconds, meanwhile us spriests are still applying dots lol and by the time we are ready to do damage the mobs are already around half hp, the pulls have to be big, if you’re fighting a single pack you’re not gonna do any damage, and it feels bad seeing a tank doing as much damage as you in a pull like that. Everyone I talk to says shadow is OP because of the one video they saw where everything went right during a +11 where the tank pulls 20 mobs and the other dps don’t just murder everything in the first 15 seconds. And when they don’t say we’re OP for our damage they say we’re op because of ms, pi, fort, and md. Imagine being “OP” because of that, such minor things in my opinion. But yeah a lot of factors are at work that can make you either be in 1st place for dps or literally last place just above the tank and none of it is skill based, doesn’t feel good ngl
I'm 2270 io, all keys done on +8, couple +9s.
35 minutes of applying to a +9, can't get invited. Alt f4.
I love this game, I hate this community and all these tier list seekers.
Shadow priest is useless in m+. No bl, no combat res, bad interrupt, avarage damage. Why would you take SP in keys ?
You could be playing a meta spec and still not get into 9s. People with higher ilvl and io are farming crest you'll need to push your own key.
@@staciaa15432 can top damage when played decently ! Definitely need something else to their kit (or just more damage) but useless is a stretch I'd say !
@@staciaa15432 A long CD interrupt is still better than the vast majority of players I've encountered in M+ who don't interrupt at all.
@@staciaa15432SP Useless??? Wtf dude sp can do mega off heal and share PI… 0 game knowladgr. Top players play high keys with no healer at all but every grp has a SP…
I was denied getting into +4s to cap on runed crests on my spriest ilvl612 with a score of 2k... basically if i dont run with friends or a guild i either only get into terrible groups or not at all.
resto druid 623ilvl 2300 rating I have the same problem to find a group for key 7. everyone is waiting for shamans and priests
I also strictly pug and my mythic rating is ~2600, I think the real issue with shadow priest is that they lack real utility. Back in shadowlands and dragonflight you might have not been top dps but you were relatively competitive, had huge PI buff and huge offhealing with vampiric embrace. They've nerfed PI, they've super nerfed vampiric embrace (I think this is a talent thing or bugfix or something, before it used to do absolutely outrageous offhealing in a cleave scenario and now it's whatever.) I remember back in shadowlands I healed through hakkar in a +20 or higher DOS with 4dps with just vampiric embrace.
Basically without big offhealing and big damage, I don't really see why you would pick shadow. Kicks are so important that taking a shadow priest really wipes you a lot of the time when you would have had an easy clear with a rogue or a boomkin or frost DK. You also can't really use psychic scream as a stun because it instantly breaks, and if you have the double talent you just end up super-ramping the enemy cc resist, and you have to be in melee range.
I know blizzard doesn't want to give back offhealing to dps (because of people playing 4dps lmao) so things I think would make shadow good in m+:
- everyone says this but make shadow crash hit all targets - I think this is a fine change, it's weird that it also has no priority on it, if it prioritized the tankier units it might be fine
- when units die with your dots on them, they explode in a small aoe, dealing the remaining damage instantly. I think this would make it so that you deal decent damage against small targets, at least from a community perception standpoint. This probably doesn't actually help you clear keys since your ret pally would have killed them in 2 more GCDs but your parse could at least look good in a 20+ target pull
- make silence better, either make it have a shorter cooldown, give it a second charge, or make it aoe like boomkin or rogue garrote at the beginning of a pull. I think if I weren't personally playing shadow priest I wouldn't pick them over a balance druid ever - solar beam is so insane and you get better team buff in versatility, which is also making you tankier. you also get a battle rez that isn't terrible - a lot of the dungeons this expansion you can't revive people with jumper cables because they die in puddles (I think literally every dungeon this season has huge aoe puddles that screw you if you die in them like the first boss of ara kara)
- in a similar vein I think giving priest's talent "petrifying scream" a 2s stun instead of only making it fear them in place might make the community perception better - with archon getting like 3s of stuns after the fear recast would make some pulls a lot safer.
- you could give shadow a battle rez also - could be something like guardian spirit/soulstone or just a normal rez. Sometimes people wait to accept a dps that has a brez or you just wipe dungeons when your healer dies at the beginning of a boss fight and your comp is warrior/shadowpriest/rogue/hunter.
overall I think shadow priest is actually not good this season - it's been absolutely bonkers in the past but now that you're bottom dps its not great. There's a chance that the 11.0.5 changes to voidform maintaining out of combat is a big enough change to make shadow good again but we'll have to see.
Please post this to the official wow forums! Some great ideas. I remember early in legion we had a proper aoe stun, it was.. something bomb I can't remember the name. It acted similarly to shadowfury, it was awesome. Then they quickly nerfed and ruined it
Same issue for me finding a group, it's hard to get into +9s but need them to progress my gear level any further to then make it easier to get invited, so hit a bit of a wall now and almost ready to stop playing.
Yeah.. it's really demotivating! As you said it's kinda just a wall at this point because 9 is necessary for the crests
@@BiteSizeWoW they are changing gilded crests to +8 so it might be a little better
They could start with lowering our interrupt cooldown. 45 seconds for an interrupt? what are they smoking?
This is very true, even if they remove the silence component, I'd rather just have more interrupts
One thing that I’ve noticed is that due to the severity of punishment for deaths. Most groups don’t want us because we’re so squishy. Perceptively our dps isn’t too far behind others but if you have the pick of the litter. Why would you choose to hinder yourself with a Spriest? It’s not personal. They’re just trying to give themselves the best chance at success.
Yeah absolutely, I do understand it. I'm just not sure what the solution is, priest has a lot of utility.. giving us more could be too much, but as you said, it's very much the case atm of, why take one when you can wait for something else
I think the thing shadow priest is not welcomed, is just the crowd control lacking. Actually, it isn't just for shadow priest, it happened on me when I play disc and holy in M+ environment as well
And you made the point, they really need to give priest other valuable outside of damage or healing..... otherwise this class just ruined even I love it and play through Vanilla till now
It’s honestly not even about SP when it comes to getting groups. Literally every class that isn’t meta struggles. People even gatekeep healers and if you’re not a shaman gl.
Non shaman healers are absolutely having a really tough time
Hopefully the buffs on Wednesday will help
They won't, dmg isn't why spriest doest get invited, it's lack of utility. PI isn't worth it rn, priest needs a minor rework.
From 13:00 PM till 5:00 AM i managed to get into 3 or 4 keys, ofc not 10s and i'm 621 2476 io with some 10s already timed btw. i lost all my will to play tbh and it's 20% game's fault 80% community fault.
yeah it's a real struggle.. playing alone seems pretty much impossible.
I'm ilvl 613, 2k+ io, applied for only +7's for a whole day (4h) and was only invited to two.
Think imma chill on WoW for now.
Yeah this is absolutely my experience
I completely feel what you are saying the worse part is why would you take Shadow if you want a priest the other 2 Specs are just so much better in what they do and bring the same stuff we bring. I personally thought of switching Class just to able to play the Game and not sit in Dornogal waiting to get invited, i don't know what they could do to make this Spec i enjoy so much viable in more peoples eyes, its frustrating.
Got some nice buffs coming next week. We can hold strong and push through this tough time ! 😅🙏
@@BiteSizeWoW Im locked in and staying loyal let's hope people see us for the pumpers we are 👍👍
I mean with shammies this feels a lot like dragonflight s2 or s3 when they nerfed mass dispel because of how mandatory it was in high keys. For this season specifically shammy has so many things for all of these dungeon on top of being one of the best if not the best healer performing purely number wise and it's honestly quite simple to play. the combination of all these things are making it so strong.
when it comes to shadow I mean just buff it's dmg honestly priest's utility is nice it just doesn't work on the dungeons in current rotation, like it doesn't bring anything we need to the table so at least make it do some damage.
got some more buffs this reset, moving in the right direction
voidweaver gets a big buff with id reset. think after that VW is infront of archon. and yes i have the same problems with invites. i am on 2,2k and look like forever for a random grp. its just annoying but i stay on shadow couse i like to play it and the time comes again that shadow is OP like every addon then we get insta invs
I just want mindsear back. It was such a Cool spell and made aoe so easy. Now its a gamble if your tank takes this into consideration while chainpulling.. tabtarget vt does not feel good..
It’s not just community perception or damage in my opinion it’s lack of utility. In pugs you want as many stuns kicks knock ups brez lust etc. as you can get. The only thing priest brings is stam buff and PI.
Got psychic scream but, yeah it's rubbish honestly. We used to have an aoe stun like shadowfury.. I think it was called mind bomb. I'd love that to come back
@@BiteSizeWoW psychic scream is great for breaking the xalatath orbs but thats a niche use option for certain weeks
@@BiteSizeWoW i agree give us a stun or something
Same noone invites me 😢 . Maybe they should give spriest more offhealing like start of dragonflight or make shadow a support spec like augmentation. That way at least people can choose between 2 classes
It does surprise me that since creating the support niche with aug, that they haven't added another spec that can fulfill that role. Perhaps it could be a priest thing!
What about vampiric touch giving a true life steal for anyone dealing direct damage (you heal yourself for percentage of damage death and the mob loses the same amount, like 1-2%). Vampiric embrace buffs the amount for a while.
I like this idea! Sort of like offering everyone some leech %
@@BiteSizeWoW and it would be leech that increases the dps a bit too (it literally steals life from mobs, hitting absorb doesn't trigger it and it is based on vampiric touch so priest better land those shadow crashes)
I came into this patch playing shadow. I love the gameplay, I love the changes, I love everything about shadow, the only thing is lack of mobility, but, I mean, l2p, right?
TLDR I ended up playing my vengeance as I can't find a key and waiting around for a tank for 20 minutes straight in my key is just sad. The problem is not new, the moment you diverge from the meta - good luck
I'm 28, I have things to do with my life apart from games, I don't get that much time to play so yea, as many people might have noticed, great game, great character, shit community.
Solo experience as a veng DH must be sooooooo much better
I haven't had a group issue yet, im still gearing through heroics so they dont have a choice but to run with me, but i will say spriest is my alt this season looking forward to push some keys with him.
gl finding a spot on anything above +8
There is one big underlying issue you are also facing its just that there are a lot of bad shadow players. I know this as once you are actually geared you start pumping and people just start saying wow i didn't know shadow can do that etc. Its hard to explain but like an arcane mage rotation is basic as in comparison so it allows for lesser skilled players to be far more competitive than they should be,
Also its the usual start of the xpansion shadow hasn't been good off the bat since Legion.
Yeah I actually love that aspect .. when you get "wtf shadow can do that?" 😂😅
I just can't sustain my damage. I can start fights and get to 1.4 to 1.5 mil but over time I just tank down to 700k Idk what I'm doing wrong. I'm looking at the rotation and I feel like thats what i'm doing xD
Check out my shadow guide/shadow tips video, but the main thing I would suggest is just try to be efficient with procs/insanity, you want to try and have as much time as possible where you have something to press that isn't a normal mind flay. So spread out mind blasts, void bolts, mind flay insanity, devouring plague etc to try and not overcap / have any of them sat on Max charges for too long
Block Hollow
Hm?
I Played shadow whole Dragonflight. I have to say, bad AOE Burst, very long kick cc, not the best Group CC, struggles with Pugg (you dont know the Routes of the tanks ) since you are a CD class. Also hardcore struggles with fast chain pulling. Also this Season is SO rough from 9 to 10. I mean you Almost only see dk's, shamans and mages in these 10's/11's.
Sorry to say but, having a group to play with seems so Important currently. Also with 22 Rio im surprised you got into a 9 key 😮
Haha yeahhh. It's rough. Thing is I do alright in 9 keys ! Just getting into them or people to join mine is a long struggle every time
the plan from blizzard was +9 keys with an item level between 600-610. but this community is just meta blindet. 90% cant even play them right. i am over mages and dks in keys on lvl 9/10 and that as an shadow. so its not our fault its just the braindead community
@@BiteSizeWoW congratz to u. U are playing the class pretty fucking well!
Sadge that you had a break, wouldve liked to see ur raid logs and Stuff.
Cuz of the community I stopped playing this game. Facts
you say it was never as bad as it is now as sp to get into groups. that is just not right. sp was most of DF meta in m+ and even in shadowlands for some time. before that it was just as painful to get into groups as now. i play shadow since wotlk. we have to prey to the old gods before every xpansion to not be dogshit
It's my opinion! I've played shadow/wow on and off since cataclysm. Dragonflight was peak (for mplus, raiding was legion), but I can honestly say for me personally I've never had a harder time getting groups than right now. More buffs next week though