Yeah old strangler was pretty cool, more like the smoker from Left 4 Dead you could just hold onto survivors and choke them out for as long as you want it was great.
That's the way it should have been. That's what it was like originally. You were also able to make them fall to their death as well if you bring them into a floor door trap.
@@silentguardian6451 what they did now is make it so the you have to do the chain into a trap or corner or whatever which was a strat in the old version that people hated and called sweaty....and its now all the strangler can do but I think he should still hold them for a moment at least as it fits his name. idk I just hope rework keeps my favorite maniac fun.
What if the survivor gained a sort of defense increase after being grabed? This makes it harder to kill just anywhere with leg traps, but doesn't effect insta-kill setups
@@doctortoon8469 technically no perk or ability added too any side will be fair too the community so with that the devs should just make a Perk And Ability that settles the game doubt
I think this is honestly fine. Strangler is supposed to be an assassin class. So, him doing combo into despawn into reset just suits his playstyle (whereas other killers can keep going after the kill, and Strangler’s weakness is that he cannot). Still, I wish they brought his ability to hold onto survivors back. It was fun and interactive, akin to Smoker in L4D Also, P.S: Survivors used to get time after objectives in the past. I really don’t know why devs made so many unnecessary changes they did, honestly.
I think having a 1 hit combo is a little strong also I think have a 10 minute timer would be great and objectives finished would add a minute. This would make the game more even for survivors so that they don't just give up at the 5 minute mark.
@@Deadly1287 True. Time changes would make for a nice tug-of-war situations on both sides. The reason it got removed was because back then the extra time added was too much. Killers can apply all kinds of pressure, but never win due to +10 extra minutes or so given out for objectives. The only way to win was to kill everybody, and that was unrealistic. As per Strangler - without 1-combo-down, he will be weak. He does not have DPS like Spider or Axe-man, and he does not have the health like the giant. If his combo did not kill, he would be always ganged up and beaten down by survivors to death, before he can do anything. I think his issue is not having 1-hit-down-combo, but more so the uptime of it. If we were to take the gas bomb ability and put it on longer cool down, with chain only he would not be able to do his combo anymore. So, 1st combo - Strangler wins. 2nd combo - some damage, but no down. 3rd combo - Strangler can either do full combo on another or finish off the injured person, etc. Essentially limit his access to his combo with cool down on his secondary ability, without crippling him altogether. He will still be able to push through teams of 4 healthy survivors (otherwise his early game would be garbage), but he won’t be able to kill-reset-kill-reset-kill-reset etc.
10:37 you literally explained why roadhog was op except it's faster and easier and less risky. But now even Tracer who has 50 less hp survives. They also made a literally counter hero way after that nerf called Lifeweaver that could just yoink hooked allies back so they could give back one shot right now and it wouldn't be as bad.
I've been playing fiend pretty exclusively for a while and yes the one shot combo with strangler is WAY too strong. Strangler is supposed to be weak against groups of 5, the game tips even tell you this but the one shot combo makes it to where you can make plays in front of an entire team which strangler should never be able to get away with.
Its so infuriating to play against a strangler that does this over and over and over again. Ive had games last less then 5 minutes because of stranglers using this combo. Then they go on to say he is "weak".
I can't get into a lobby and I looked in the discord and it said too change the Download too UK-london or USA-New York I tryed it but it still won't work do you know how too fix it or are they fixing the isuse?
The strangler is getting reworked mostly because his current kit discourages the new developers intentions on how this game will be played. It’s not because he’s strong(actually competitive considers him the worst killer against coordinated teams).
its on steam for free and you can still find the og its just the free one got rid of the nightmare tag and now its just last year and theres a community post about a new game, something about a forest i think
Removing the Strangler's ability to strangle people was kinda stupid, I hope they add it back.
They did add it back kinda
I mean it in his name strangler they should have
Yeah old strangler was pretty cool, more like the smoker from Left 4 Dead you could just hold onto survivors and choke them out for as long as you want it was great.
That sounds kinda busted
That's the way it should have been. That's what it was like originally. You were also able to make them fall to their death as well if you bring them into a floor door trap.
The way strangler is now though is half decent compared to before
@@silentguardian6451 what they did now is make it so the you have to do the chain into a trap or corner or whatever which was a strat in the old version that people hated and called sweaty....and its now all the strangler can do but I think he should still hold them for a moment at least as it fits his name. idk I just hope rework keeps my favorite maniac fun.
I think when you get strangled by the strangler, it’s so scary cause you get dragged away from your friends
What if the survivor gained a sort of defense increase after being grabed? This makes it harder to kill just anywhere with leg traps, but doesn't effect insta-kill setups
That would just make it a frustrating mechanic for the Fiend to deal with no?
maybe, just a thought
@@doctortoon8469 technically no perk or ability added too any side will be fair too the community so with that the devs should just make a Perk And Ability that settles the game doubt
The choking thing was taken out a long time ago.. I do not think it was even on steam yet when it was removed.
They put it back but only for 5 seconds.
I think this is honestly fine.
Strangler is supposed to be an assassin class.
So, him doing combo into despawn into reset just suits his playstyle (whereas other killers can keep going after the kill, and Strangler’s weakness is that he cannot).
Still, I wish they brought his ability to hold onto survivors back. It was fun and interactive, akin to Smoker in L4D
Also, P.S: Survivors used to get time after objectives in the past. I really don’t know why devs made so many unnecessary changes they did, honestly.
I think having a 1 hit combo is a little strong also I think have a 10 minute timer would be great and objectives finished would add a minute. This would make the game more even for survivors so that they don't just give up at the 5 minute mark.
@@Deadly1287 True. Time changes would make for a nice tug-of-war situations on both sides.
The reason it got removed was because back then the extra time added was too much. Killers can apply all kinds of pressure, but never win due to +10 extra minutes or so given out for objectives. The only way to win was to kill everybody, and that was unrealistic.
As per Strangler - without 1-combo-down, he will be weak. He does not have DPS like Spider or Axe-man, and he does not have the health like the giant. If his combo did not kill, he would be always ganged up and beaten down by survivors to death, before he can do anything.
I think his issue is not having 1-hit-down-combo, but more so the uptime of it.
If we were to take the gas bomb ability and put it on longer cool down, with chain only he would not be able to do his combo anymore.
So, 1st combo - Strangler wins. 2nd combo - some damage, but no down. 3rd combo - Strangler can either do full combo on another or finish off the injured person, etc.
Essentially limit his access to his combo with cool down on his secondary ability, without crippling him altogether.
He will still be able to push through teams of 4 healthy survivors (otherwise his early game would be garbage), but he won’t be able to kill-reset-kill-reset-kill-reset etc.
10:37 you literally explained why roadhog was op except it's faster and easier and less risky. But now even Tracer who has 50 less hp survives. They also made a literally counter hero way after that nerf called Lifeweaver that could just yoink hooked allies back so they could give back one shot right now and it wouldn't be as bad.
He was like that since forever though and now they're going to rework him because he's terrible. I think he was fine.
the killer is over powerd in this game
The killer is and isn't. The game revolves around constantly killing the players, so they have to be strong.
I've been playing fiend pretty exclusively for a while and yes the one shot combo with strangler is WAY too strong. Strangler is supposed to be weak against groups of 5, the game tips even tell you this but the one shot combo makes it to where you can make plays in front of an entire team which strangler should never be able to get away with.
Yea not he can hold people for longer too which is pretty strong.
@@Deadly1287 5 seconds max no matter the distance chained AND you can still have the spell to give you 8 traps. Absolutely ridiculous
@@rolandramos2815 and fun!
Its so infuriating to play against a strangler that does this over and over and over again. Ive had games last less then 5 minutes because of stranglers using this combo. Then they go on to say he is "weak".
Honestly this combo is wrecked by a good Scout but yeah he does need a rework.
I disagree. A good scout can stop a bad Strangler. A good Strangler can walk the whole team. It makes this unfun.
I can't get into a lobby and I looked in the discord and it said too change the Download too UK-london or USA-New York I tryed it but it still won't work do you know how too fix it or are they fixing the isuse?
The new game comes out in the 22nd of October so they're prepping that I think.
The strangler is getting reworked mostly because his current kit discourages the new developers intentions on how this game will be played. It’s not because he’s strong(actually competitive considers him the worst killer against coordinated teams).
Had no idea this game had a competitive scene.
@@Deadly1287 it’s not active anymore, but previous veterans still exist within the community.
i thought this game went under?
It's coming back real soon actually.
its on steam for free and you can still find the og its just the free one got rid of the nightmare tag and now its just last year and theres a community post about a new game, something about a forest i think
@@chrisnroine correct going to available soon
Wait ppl play this still?
Yes they do it has gone free to play on steam!
happy this never got anywhere lol
They game is coming out later this year.
i thought this game died a long time ago?
Yeah same how are there still players?
It did, but a new studio recently bought it and put it back up on Steam as a F2P title.
@@reeve1991 I actually JUST found this out but thank you for telling me anyway I'm gonna try it out again cus I always did like this concept
It's free to play on steam!
What he said