I LOVE the benign naiveté of this podcast. I sincerely believe that it represents the very best potential, and benign possibilities of the human species. It is EXACTLY what I hope for too. However, the deep wisdom, and humanistic heart and intentions that this podcast embodies is the antithesis of what is actually happening. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" should be the motto of the human species. Collectively, as a species, have become so embroiled in our own geo-political, religious, economic and historical myth-making that objective reality has gone elsewhere. We live in a "la-la land" where wealth and privilege controls EVERYTHING. Wisdom, compassion and common sense have been abandoned by our privileged "deciders". Most of us - nearly 8 BILLION strong - are merely "passengers" on a down-hill slide to oblivion orchestrated by self-serving fools with little heart or vision. "Unmitigated Greed" will be Humanity's tragic epitaph.
This podcast is more than just naive. Because it is agenda driven, it turns out it is _all_ agenda driven. Reflecting on the nature of humanity, why we humans do what we do, is not something that will get them anywhere, so they don't do it. The really hard problem of climate change is that it results from humans being human, and changing what we do is really hard.
Recommend to look at Andreas Malm work on how fossil fuels fuelled imperialism and expecially collonialism in 19th century. War is not our nature, but nature of this exploiting system... 🌍🕊
Could you please repeat this program every week until the madness of wars and warmongering stops? Do these people have no children, wildlife, oceans or mountains to love??
To point, the west, namely US scuttled peace agreements on at least two occasions. Russia has never intended to occupy or move further east provided Ukraine remains neutral. The US has stated that once Ukraine is under NATO it intends to put weapons on the Russian border…including nukes. If the situation were reversed, what would be the US response? Recall 1963. Paul should do his research on this.
You just sound like a Putin-bot. Plenty of Russian nationalists making exclamations that show you wrong. And your assertion "provided Ukraine remains neutral" is pretty telling. What if the Ukrainians don't want to remain "neutral"?
3:30 Thank you for this fact, Regina, that if these 8 oil companies use the remaining carbon budget, temps will rise to 2.4 degrees above baseline just from that.
Gaza: There has been virtually no visible internal opposition to Hamas, or blaming of them for the continuing situation. Are the women and children of Gaza protesting against Hamas in the streets, like the ones in Israel protesting against Netanyahu?
I’d say we are already at 2.4c above 1880 anyway. It seems the last 12 months are at an average of 1.65 above, you add on .1 for the ten year lag and a min of .3 for global dimming alone and your at 2c
what we have and what is coming is different, 1.5c seems to be something we are close to now. what we are going to get seem to be more than 5c in the next decades. that means that we are in full on collapse of humans and life on earth, only a few species left over the century. aiming for any degree is foolish, those are only incremental slow change towards a goal the moves and we can not track it.
Thank you Regina, Peter and Paul. 2.4º Centigrade is in the system with the present level of CO2 (e) at around 560 ppm. Already it's going to take immediate cessation of fossil fuel use and what we can do ecologically and technically to stay below 2 and a half degrees. We've hit the scifi classic novel Ministry for the Future prognosis at this point in time. To stop it will need the Children of Kali. Well it's only a novel, but 'by golly gosh' the novel is proving to be closer to the reality than the IBRD, WTO, BIS, IPCC COP and the CIA-MI6-NATO attack dog combined. I note our mutual ally and friend Roger Hallam along with 3 others face sentence in a London Court for "telling the truth about the climate" on Thursday the 18th July. The bravery of truth tellers is beyond political and judicial deceit and dishonesty, which is in the realm of international crime, including war crime and ecosystem crime against life on planet Earth.
In the USA, there use to be postage stamps issued for government departments. There was the “Department of War.” It didn’t look good on the public relations side. Eventually changed to “Department of Defense.”
The Militaries, and International travel, are usually excluded from CC statistics, from what I understand. I would point out, that the transport of fossils fuels, usually through International Waters, is therefore also excluded. The pumping and refining of oil is already a huge percentage of the total GHG, and then part of that is excluded. Our just getting our fuels, must be a really big source of our CO2 emissions. I've seen 40 gigatons and 55 gigatons of CO2, stated from different sources. Is that 15 gigatons, the part that is usually excluded from the figures?
TRANSITION of the military economy has long been the challenge for USA , since at least 1945. Now a Charter for an Office of Transition & Survival is critical. Every church, union, and affinity group needs to organise a CATS Inc. committee with a strong commitment to youth. C.A.T.S. = Citizen Assembly for Transition & Survival.. Check out the Nuclear Free Zone (NFZ) movement in New Zealand a generation ago, with childcare groups and towns, system change can catch on robustly by shifting the norms of legitimation from the face-to-face level of local institutions.
Propaganda. People love the military. They see it as respectable and making "America safe". Play a patriotic song and people respond as though they have electrodes planted in their heads.
Nonviolence, by Joan Baez. "Fred: It's human nature to kill. Something you can't change. Joan: Is it? If it's natural to kill, why do men have to go into training to learn how? There's violence in human nature, but there's also decency, love, kindness. Man organizes, buys, sells, pushes violence. The nonviolent wants to organize the opposite side. That's all nonviolence is - organized love. Fred: You're crazy. Joan: No doubt. Would you care to tell me the rest of the world is sane? Tell me that violence has been a great success for the past five thousand years, that the world is in fine shape, that wars have brought peace, understanding, democracy, and freedom to humankind and that killing each other has created an atmosphere of trust and hope. That it's grand for one billion people to live off of the other two billion, or that even if it hadn't been smooth going all along, we are now at last beginning to see our way though to a better world for all, as soon as we get a few minor wars out of the way. Fred: I'm doing OK. Joan: Consider it a lucky accident. Fred: I believe I should defend America and all that she stands for. Don't you believe in self-defense? Joan: No, that's how the mafia got started. A little band of people who got together to protect peasants. I'll take Gandhi's nonviolent resistance. Fred: I still don't get the point of nonviolence. Joan: The point of nonviolence is to build a floor, a strong new floor, beneath which we can no longer sink. A platform which stands a few feet above napalm, torture, exploitation, poison gas, nuclear bombs, the works. Give man a decent place to stand. He's been wallowing around in human blood and vomit and burnt flesh, screaming how it's going to bring peace to the world. He sticks his head out of the hole for a minute and sees a bunch of people gathering together and trying to build a structure above ground in the fresh air. 'Nice idea, but not very practical', he shouts and slides back into the hole. It was the same kind of thing when man found out the world was round. He fought for years to have it remain flat, with every proof on hand that it was not flat at all. It had no edge to drop off or sea monsters to swallow up his little ship in their gaping jaws. Fred: How are you going to build this practical structure? Joan: From the ground up. By studying, experimenting with every possible alternative to violence on every level. By learning how to say no to the nation-state, 'NO' to war taxes, 'NO' to military conscription, 'NO' to killing in general, 'YES' to co-operation, by starting new institutions which are based on the assumption that murder in any form is ruled out, by making and keeping in touch with nonviolent contacts all over the world, by engaging ourselves at every possible chance in dialogue with people, groups, to try to change the consensus that it's OK to kill. Fred: It sounds real nice, but I just don't think it can work. Joan: You are probably right. We probably don't have enough time. So far, we've been a glorious flop. The only thing that's been a worse flop than the organization of nonviolence has been the organization of violence. Click to go back to top [Home] [Contact] [Flickr] [About us ] Copyright INNATE 2016 innatenonviolence.org/readings/2008_04.shtml
Just watching the intro, will need to catch up tomorrow. I have said for a long time that war in it's current form is impossible without oil. There are changes afoot with drones and sea drones though in the case of UAVs costing millions they can be destroyed with fairly cheap missiles so the costs become asymmetrical against the more technologically advanced army. It also looks like tanks could be become redundant with drones. That is more recent developments though. Until recently my argument had been overseas wars required aircraft carriers that required a 'ring of steel' of smaller vessels that protect the aircraft carrier. Without oil such fleets or battle groups are impossible, likewise with many planes that may be replaced with drones for some purposes. Moving to renewables reduces the likelihood of war but there are huge barriers. 1.3 billion cars creates a huge economies of scale for oil. If we were to reduce the number of cars by 50 % and replace them with buses many oil fields become economical and the price of oil would need to increase. The military / taxpayer would pick up that extra cost making it difficult for countries to extend their power through war.
Bonobos might be a teeny bit more closely related (neuropsychologically, according to recent research but that’s what makes science so cool. Always uncovering and then refining understanding over time) You bros with the chimp references. So confident, so inaccurate.
And some research published this spring, this paper holds important nuance about chimps and bonobos. Overly simplistic, popular culture narratives and extracted info tidbits do NOT encompass the complexity of nature: Chimpanzees and bonobos are often thought to reflect two different sides of human nature -- the conflict-ready chimpanzee versus the peaceful bonobo -- but a new study publishing April 12 in the journal Current Biology shows that, within their own communities, male bonobos are more frequently aggressive than male chimpanzees. For both species, more aggressive males had more mating opportunities. "Chimpanzees and bonobos use aggression in different ways for specific reasons," says anthropologist and lead author Maud Mouginot of Boston University. "The idea is not to invalidate the image of bonobos being peaceful -- the idea is that there is a lot more complexity in both species."
Chimps are social animals and war is the dark side of social animals. Meerkats wage war on other mobs. Ants wage war. It should not be surprising because you can not wage a war without the cooperation of enough people. A war would not be possible. All you'd have otherwise would be a fight between 2 animals. Humans wage war on a global deadly scale with terrifying weapons because we're intelligent. Intelligence doesn't lower the chance of war. Intelligence allows bigger and better weapons.
@@Corrie-fd9ww I can not see how. Chimps and bonobos separated from their common ancestor 3 million years ago. They are both members of the pan genus. Humans separated from the common ancestor of the pan species and homo species, existing one and extinct homo species about 6 million years ago. That would mean we are equally related to both chimps and bonobos. For example imagine a family with 2 children born of the same parents, the Pans and the children are named Bonobo and Chimp. They have a cousin called human born to the Homo parents. Homo and Pan have parents called Ape. The child called Human would not be more closely related to one of the Pan children, Bonobo or Chimp than to the other. They have have behaviours more reminiscent of one than the other but genetically both the Pan children are equally related to the sole child of Homo, Human.
Do kniw somebody at finacial world, an economist, you have several at Chambrudge and New York, how about to make a cripto coi. For the environmental cause
It's oil companies fault if they sell a legal commodity people are willing to buy? It's the demand that is the problem not the supply. If you want to talk about suffering, how much more suffering would there be if energy was even more expensive? If you want to avoid war why are you preaching here instead of for example in Moscow?
There is only a finite amount of oil and we are at #PeakOil. Besides which cheaper oil you would add to global warming. What do you mean "preaching here"? Where is "here"? I am in Australia. Others can be in the UK or Canada or Germany or wherever. Anyone in Russia can also listen to this podcast. This is the internet you know.
War must be good for something, otherwise it would not take place. Remember Madelaine Albright, and what she replied whether or not the war had been worth all these 500.000 kids' (?) death? She replied yes. Reason, it must have been worth it, otherwise it would not have happened. Sort of an outrageous but super logical answer. 100% technocratic.
I LOVE the benign naiveté of this podcast. I sincerely believe that it represents the very best potential, and benign possibilities of the human species. It is EXACTLY what I hope for too. However, the deep wisdom, and humanistic heart and intentions that this podcast embodies is the antithesis of what is actually happening. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" should be the motto of the human species. Collectively, as a species, have become so embroiled in our own geo-political, religious, economic and historical myth-making that objective reality has gone elsewhere. We live in a "la-la land" where wealth and privilege controls EVERYTHING. Wisdom, compassion and common sense have been abandoned by our privileged "deciders". Most of us - nearly 8 BILLION strong - are merely "passengers" on a down-hill slide to oblivion orchestrated by self-serving fools with little heart or vision. "Unmitigated Greed" will be Humanity's tragic epitaph.
This podcast is more than just naive. Because it is agenda driven, it turns out it is _all_ agenda driven. Reflecting on the nature of humanity, why we humans do what we do, is not something that will get them anywhere, so they don't do it. The really hard problem of climate change is that it results from humans being human, and changing what we do is really hard.
Bravo
Tree Frog to Tree Frog,
agreed
Or in other words, Capitalism.
Thank you. For the reasons you state, I can’t come here very often. Sweet and just too sad.
Facts
Right on
We are moving for the 6th extition in life in the Earth .....
but who's counting.....
We have no control.
Nice energy on the introduction Mrs. Valdez. 💯 On everything said.
Thank you! 🤗
Recommend to look at Andreas Malm work on how fossil fuels fuelled imperialism and expecially collonialism in 19th century. War is not our nature, but nature of this exploiting system... 🌍🕊
Could you please repeat this program every week until the madness of wars and warmongering stops? Do these people have no children, wildlife, oceans or mountains to love??
they don't love, I fear, or they love their money.
Thanks
You're welcome
20:00 Regina, thanks for the list of armed conflicts.
To point, the west, namely US scuttled peace agreements on at least two occasions. Russia has never intended to occupy or move further east provided Ukraine remains neutral. The US has stated that once Ukraine is under NATO it intends to put weapons on the Russian border…including nukes. If the situation were reversed, what would be the US response? Recall 1963. Paul should do his research on this.
You just sound like a Putin-bot. Plenty of Russian nationalists making exclamations that show you wrong. And your assertion "provided Ukraine remains neutral" is pretty telling. What if the Ukrainians don't want to remain "neutral"?
Thanks.
3:30 Thank you for this fact, Regina, that if these 8 oil companies use the remaining carbon budget, temps will rise to 2.4 degrees above baseline just from that.
Gaza: There has been virtually no visible internal opposition to Hamas, or blaming of them for the continuing situation. Are the women and children of Gaza protesting against Hamas in the streets, like the ones in Israel protesting against Netanyahu?
NUESTROS DOS PEORES ENEMIGOS. LAS GUERRAS Y LOS COMBUSTIBLES FÓSILES.
I’d say we are already at 2.4c above 1880 anyway. It seems the last 12 months are at an average of 1.65 above, you add on .1 for the ten year lag and a min of .3 for global dimming alone and your at 2c
what we have and what is coming is different, 1.5c seems to be something we are close to now.
what we are going to get seem to be more than 5c in the next decades.
that means that we are in full on collapse of humans and life on earth, only a few species left over the century.
aiming for any degree is foolish, those are only incremental slow change towards a goal the moves and we can not track it.
@@sudd3660If you add 1750 as baseline then things are above 2 C.Why is the baseline set at 1880 though the industrial revolution began around 1750.
I agree. As you know Methane is not recorded by the IPCC and must be off the bloody charts
Wise words. Wise words. Thank you for telling the truth.
Also imagine if we invested in diplomacy and building bridges.
Love you guys. Thanks. 🙏🏻
Thank-you and you're welcome
Thank you Regina, Peter and Paul. 2.4º Centigrade is in the system with the present level of CO2 (e) at around 560 ppm. Already it's going to take immediate cessation of fossil fuel use and what we can do ecologically and technically to stay below 2 and a half degrees. We've hit the scifi classic novel Ministry for the Future prognosis at this point in time. To stop it will need the Children of Kali. Well it's only a novel, but 'by golly gosh' the novel is proving to be closer to the reality than the IBRD, WTO, BIS, IPCC COP and the CIA-MI6-NATO attack dog combined. I note our mutual ally and friend Roger Hallam along with 3 others face sentence in a London Court for "telling the truth about the climate" on Thursday the 18th July. The bravery of truth tellers is beyond political and judicial deceit and dishonesty, which is in the realm of international crime, including war crime and ecosystem crime against life on planet Earth.
We aren't improving. 😕
Interesting that there is practically no one watching.
Yes knowledge is power
Have as beautiful a day as possible.
In the USA, there use to be postage stamps issued for government departments. There was the “Department of War.” It didn’t look good on the public relations side. Eventually changed to “Department of Defense.”
I would not be surprised if the changed the name again to "Department of Peace". Just like the "Department of Justice".
Who needs a "liveable" future?
The Militaries, and International travel, are usually excluded from CC statistics, from what I understand. I would point out, that the transport of fossils fuels, usually through International Waters, is therefore also excluded. The pumping and refining of oil is already a huge percentage of the total GHG, and then part of that is excluded. Our just getting our fuels, must be a really big source of our CO2 emissions.
I've seen 40 gigatons and 55 gigatons of CO2, stated from different sources. Is that 15 gigatons, the part that is usually excluded from the figures?
TRANSITION of the military economy has long been the challenge for USA , since at least 1945.
Now a Charter for an Office of Transition & Survival is critical.
Every church, union, and affinity group needs to organise a CATS Inc. committee with a strong commitment to youth. C.A.T.S. = Citizen Assembly for Transition & Survival..
Check out the Nuclear Free Zone (NFZ) movement in New Zealand a generation ago, with childcare groups and towns, system change can catch on robustly by shifting the norms of legitimation from the face-to-face level of local institutions.
our weird species that allows the greed to destroy the need
We are ruled by Re Res. It's over.
The current civil war in Sudan is terrible, but its roots are deep, and the causes of war are complex.
I have a crush on Regina, a woman who understands!
So trucks will stop delivering food without gas. Than what?
why do people participate in wars?
Propaganda. People love the military. They see it as respectable and making "America safe". Play a patriotic song and people respond as though they have electrodes planted in their heads.
Nonviolence, by Joan Baez. "Fred: It's human nature to kill. Something you can't change.
Joan: Is it? If it's natural to kill, why do men have to go into training to learn how? There's violence in human nature, but there's also decency, love, kindness. Man organizes, buys, sells, pushes violence. The nonviolent wants to organize the opposite side. That's all nonviolence is - organized love.
Fred: You're crazy.
Joan: No doubt. Would you care to tell me the rest of the world is sane? Tell me that violence has been a great success for the past five thousand years, that the world is in fine shape, that wars have brought peace, understanding, democracy, and freedom to humankind and that killing each other has created an atmosphere of trust and hope. That it's grand for one billion people to live off of the other two billion, or that even if it hadn't been smooth going all along, we are now at last beginning to see our way though to a better world for all, as soon as we get a few minor wars out of the way.
Fred: I'm doing OK.
Joan: Consider it a lucky accident.
Fred: I believe I should defend America and all that she stands for. Don't you believe in self-defense?
Joan: No, that's how the mafia got started. A little band of people who got together to protect peasants. I'll take Gandhi's nonviolent resistance.
Fred: I still don't get the point of nonviolence.
Joan: The point of nonviolence is to build a floor, a strong new floor, beneath which we can no longer sink. A platform which stands a few feet above napalm, torture, exploitation, poison gas, nuclear bombs, the works. Give man a decent place to stand. He's been wallowing around in human blood and vomit and burnt flesh, screaming how it's going to bring peace to the world. He sticks his head out of the hole for a minute and sees a bunch of people gathering together and trying to build a structure above ground in the fresh air. 'Nice idea, but not very practical', he shouts and slides back into the hole. It was the same kind of thing when man found out the world was round. He fought for years to have it remain flat, with every proof on hand that it was not flat at all. It had no edge to drop off or sea monsters to swallow up his little ship in their gaping jaws.
Fred: How are you going to build this practical structure?
Joan: From the ground up. By studying, experimenting with every possible alternative to violence on every level. By learning how to say no to the nation-state, 'NO' to war taxes, 'NO' to military conscription, 'NO' to killing in general, 'YES' to co-operation, by starting new institutions which are based on the assumption that murder in any form is ruled out, by making and keeping in touch with nonviolent contacts all over the world, by engaging ourselves at every possible chance in dialogue with people, groups, to try to change the consensus that it's OK to kill.
Fred: It sounds real nice, but I just don't think it can work.
Joan: You are probably right. We probably don't have enough time. So far, we've been a glorious flop. The only thing that's been a worse flop than the organization of nonviolence has been the organization of violence.
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Rt 😢 😮 great song....❤
Yes.
Another pipe dream with zero chance - a fantasy.
Leta make a coin for the nature ....
Just watching the intro, will need to catch up tomorrow.
I have said for a long time that war in it's current form is impossible without oil. There are changes afoot with drones and sea drones though in the case of UAVs costing millions they can be destroyed with fairly cheap missiles so the costs become asymmetrical against the more technologically advanced army. It also looks like tanks could be become redundant with drones. That is more recent developments though.
Until recently my argument had been overseas wars required aircraft carriers that required a 'ring of steel' of smaller vessels that protect the aircraft carrier. Without oil such fleets or battle groups are impossible, likewise with many planes that may be replaced with drones for some purposes.
Moving to renewables reduces the likelihood of war but there are huge barriers.
1.3 billion cars creates a huge economies of scale for oil. If we were to reduce the number of cars by 50 % and replace them with buses many oil fields become economical and the price of oil would need to increase. The military / taxpayer would pick up that extra cost making it difficult for countries to extend their power through war.
Well you don’t speak about géo engineering. Does it take place ? If so. It would be a major factor dis balancing the weather. As much as co2
How?
stand up or shut up. actions over words.
chimps wage war and they are our closest relative
Bonobos might be a teeny bit more closely related (neuropsychologically, according to recent research but that’s what makes science so cool. Always uncovering and then refining understanding over time)
You bros with the chimp references. So confident, so inaccurate.
And some research published this spring, this paper holds important nuance about chimps and bonobos. Overly simplistic, popular culture narratives and extracted info tidbits do NOT encompass the complexity of nature:
Chimpanzees and bonobos are often thought to reflect two different sides of human nature -- the conflict-ready chimpanzee versus the peaceful bonobo -- but a new study publishing April 12 in the journal Current Biology shows that, within their own communities, male bonobos are more frequently aggressive than male chimpanzees. For both species, more aggressive males had more mating opportunities.
"Chimpanzees and bonobos use aggression in different ways for specific reasons," says anthropologist and lead author Maud Mouginot of Boston University.
"The idea is not to invalidate the image of bonobos being peaceful -- the idea is that there is a lot more complexity in both species."
Chimps are social animals and war is the dark side of social animals. Meerkats wage war on other mobs. Ants wage war. It should not be surprising because you can not wage a war without the cooperation of enough people. A war would not be possible. All you'd have otherwise would be a fight between 2 animals. Humans wage war on a global deadly scale with terrifying weapons because we're intelligent. Intelligence doesn't lower the chance of war. Intelligence allows bigger and better weapons.
@@Corrie-fd9ww I can not see how. Chimps and bonobos separated from their common ancestor 3 million years ago. They are both members of the pan genus. Humans separated from the common ancestor of the pan species and homo species, existing one and extinct homo species about 6 million years ago. That would mean we are equally related to both chimps and bonobos.
For example imagine a family with 2 children born of the same parents, the Pans and the children are named Bonobo and Chimp. They have a cousin called human born to the Homo parents. Homo and Pan have parents called Ape. The child called Human would not be more closely related to one of the Pan children, Bonobo or Chimp than to the other. They have have behaviours more reminiscent of one than the other but genetically both the Pan children are equally related to the sole child of Homo, Human.
Pax Sine Bello...
Tes we are a plastic culture, and so petrol culture
Do kniw somebody at finacial world, an economist, you have several at Chambrudge and New York, how about to make a cripto coi. For the environmental cause
Just think, EV tanks,,,, scarry
It's oil companies fault if they sell a legal commodity people are willing to buy? It's the demand that is the problem not the supply.
If you want to talk about suffering, how much more suffering would there be if energy was even more expensive? If you want to avoid war why are you preaching here instead of for example in Moscow?
There is only a finite amount of oil and we are at #PeakOil. Besides which cheaper oil you would add to global warming. What do you mean "preaching here"? Where is "here"? I am in Australia. Others can be in the UK or Canada or Germany or wherever. Anyone in Russia can also listen to this podcast. This is the internet you know.
Yes no war, no fossil fuels and lots and lots and lots of meat meat meat/milk milk milk etc and lots of EV battery cars
War must be good for something, otherwise it would not take place.
Remember Madelaine Albright, and what she replied whether or not
the war had been worth all these 500.000 kids' (?) death?
She replied yes.
Reason, it must have been worth it, otherwise it would not have happened.
Sort of an outrageous but super logical answer. 100% technocratic.
Pray
yea, that'll help LOL!!
As if? Prayer has never done any good.
Should be a smart idea. Loke bitcoin .....