■ My analog video digitizing workflow: th-cam.com/video/XzY1Vo1occc/w-d-xo.html ■ Drive through New York City in 1993 (8-mm footage): th-cam.com/video/ya0xKHh8mHI/w-d-xo.html ■ Christmas at Winter Park resort in 1991(8-mm footage) th-cam.com/video/8qzby_qKMo4/w-d-xo.html ■ Digitizing analog videos (playlist): th-cam.com/play/PL3WveGVbd9lYLBJCjBHAmqEQ5U0lDJ_nT.html&si=Mmu7wFDquH8WS9E-
Спасибо, что смотрите! Я старался :) Перелопатил полторы сотни журналов. Середина, где про отверстия, проседает немного. Может я подрежу ее потом. Я забыл вставить несколько красивых картинок с магнитной лентой в разрезе. Стандартная 8-мм лента 13 мкм, потом 10 мкм, потом 9.25 мкм, и трехчасовая 7 мкм. Я так понимаю, что у трехчасовой все три отверстия справа открыты. Я не стал ее покупать, чтобы проверить :) Я и так специально купил ME, чтобы посмотреть на нее. Я думал, что у ME будут оба отверстия слева открыты, и был удивлен, что MP Hi8 отверстие закрыто. Digital8 камера у меня в долговременной аренде от друга, он одно время даже выбросить ее хотел. У нее совершенно ломовой TBC, лучше тех, что в медицинском Мицу и в камере JVC: стабилизирует и строчные импульсы (то, что отдельные товарищи называют "Line TBC"), и кадровые ("Frame TBC"). Я теперь через нее прогоняю VHS-кассеты, которые подергиваются на других видаках. Жаль, что верха обрезаются по яркости и цвету, и ведь вроде ничего не делаю: просто скидываю в DV и все. Надо будет еще раз посмотреть, может, там какой-то дополнительный уровень есть, который надо отключить. У японцев цифровой ноль с самого низа, а у американцев есть pedestal 7.5 IRE, но камера продана была в Америке, и записи сделаны там же, правда, другой камерой.
@@ConsumerDV Мне очень нравилась в оцифровке PAL версия SONY DCR TRV-120! Сравнима по качеству с Canopus ADVC-300 и почти идентична Canopus twin packt 100. Но я сравнивал по соотношению детализация-шумность.
Great video! I've heard that on the digital8 cameras that the analog outputs for Video8 and Hi8 are basically encoded to DV first, and then reconverted back to analog for output. This kind of makes sense with the TBC active in particular as it would need to be digitized in some way for that to work and the conversion chip is likely doing both functions. If that were to be the case, then S-Video would be inferior to DV capture from a Digital8 camcorder. Have you directly compared an S-Video capture to the DV one, or is saying DV is inferior for a Hi8 tape when played back on a Digital8 camcorder more theoretical?
Good point! TBC indeed needs analog video to be digitized. But DV uses uncompressed digital video as input, so I am pretty sure that one of the stages includes uncompressed video. The very last 20 seconds of this video show Video8 footage digitized through S-video and through DV port. DV video has highlights blown out. I don't think this is an issue with DV per se, just a botched A/D conversion, or maybe the components of the camera went out of the spec.
Great presentation, like always. SONY even developed a Hi8 ENG camera for broadcast, the SONY EVW-300 and many low-budget stations have adopted it as an alternative between Betacam and SVHS. Speaking of tape thickness, is anyone aware if the tape thickness varies or it's the same in SONY DVCAM tapes for PVD-64M, PVD-94M, PVD-124M and PVD-184M cassettes?
Thank you! I should have been more concise regarding tape width. Standard 8-mm tape thickness up to 90 minutes is 13 μm, 2-hour tape is 10 μm, 2.5-hour tape is 9.25 μm, and 3-hour tape is 7 μm. Regarding DV tape, standard 60-min MiniDV cassettes are loaded with 70 m of 7 μm tape, but there were 80 min cassettes with 93 m of 5.5 μm tape, whoa! I don't know whether there was a thinner tape. I haven't used DVCAM tapes. I bought several DVCPRO medium-sized cassettes to compare them to 8-mm, but I did not include it in the video. Maybe some other time :) Interesting that DVCPRO M cassette is very similar in size to 8-mm cassette. A 2-hour 8-mm cassette has 106 m of tape, good enough for 60 minutes of DV video @ 25 Mbit/s. A standard DVCPRO cassette has 137 m of tape, good for 66 min of video @ 25 Mbit/s or 33 min @ 50 Mbit/s. All in all, little difference. I am not sure what was the point of the DV form-factor. Maybe they could not downsize 8-mm cassette? Another reason I've heard is that Panasonic and especially JVC wanted a new form-factor to prevent Sony from re-using its hardware. I have S (MiniDV), M and L. I don't have XL, they are too expensive.
Digital8 tape can be used in Hi8 camcorder and record Hi8 image quality? Somehow i found in my collection of 8 and Hi8 tapes Digital8 and some recorded material which can be played using my Sony CCD-TRV67E PAL camcorder. At the end, excellent video, thank you.
Hi! I have a Sony Video 8 Handycam. The audio and video outputs look like the one you showed at 11:19. Which converter devices can I use to digitize my Video 8 tapes on a Mac?
Any device that accepts composite video and analog audio will do. To ensure you have audio in both channels you can get a Y-cable to split a single audio channel into two, or you can do it in software. I cannot recommend specific hardware and software since I don't use Mac for capturing, I use Windows.
Yes, there were some reports that allegedly mixing MP and ME tapes on the same machine causes head clogging and dirt on the pinch roller. This was about MiniDV, not Digital8. MiniDV has 10 μm track pitch, DVCAM - 15 μm, DVCPRO - 18 μm, Digital8 - 16.34 µm. So, maybe this is not as relevant for larger 8-mm heads as for MiniDV. Also, I believe Sony researched the matter and found no evidence for the claim. Early ME tape was flaky, so maybe because of this Panasonic specified only MP tape for its DVCPRO format. I've used both ME and MP tapes on my DV camcorder and did not experience any issues, but I recorded just a couple of dozen tapes, hardly enough to clog the heads.
Hello I have 8mm videocassette from 2001 family memories. I dont have camera. I want to know what is recorded on those tapes. I dont know how to start. Find a 8mm camcorder is hard. And I don't want to send those tapes by mail to digitalize them before checking what is recorded. Please all sugestions are welcome
Hi8 CAN be recorded into standard 8mm video tapes- you just have to punch the hole out where Hi8 would have it punched out. At least for me, recording Hi8 onto ~30 year old used normal 8mm tapes isn't that terrible!
Same as with SVHS, depending on tape quality it can be almost as good as using proper high-grade tape. But punching or drilling a hole can damage the tape, which is why JVC developed SVHS-ET, but Sony did better and switched to digital. Standard tape can be used for Digital8 officially, no extra holes required.
This is a great video. Thank you so much for the thorough explanation about everything! I'm looking to do the expensive way of converting to my analogue videos to digital in the near future with a Retrotink 4k (usually used in video game up-scaling, but now supports VCR). The retrotink has built in TBC. I also found a cheap CCD-TRS100 on ebay which has the s-video out. I found a great video on digitizing VHS tapes using the retrotrink 4k here - th-cam.com/video/Br6YRkOM9jA/w-d-xo.html Not sure if this is interesting to you and I think I might need more help once I get my retrotrink to actually get it to the best quality. Either way, thank you so much for sharing all of your knowledge!
Thanks! I think that 4K is overkill for VHS or Video8, although uploading to YT at 1080p seems to preserve more detail than 720p just because YT affords more bitrate for higher resolution. The Digital8 camcorder that I have has built-in TBC and a very good one, so this is my go-to solution for 8-mm tapes. For VHS I have got a Panasonic VHS/DVD recorder, which works sufficiently well: th-cam.com/video/LaH73rhBHbk/w-d-xo.html
■ My analog video digitizing workflow: th-cam.com/video/XzY1Vo1occc/w-d-xo.html
■ Drive through New York City in 1993 (8-mm footage): th-cam.com/video/ya0xKHh8mHI/w-d-xo.html
■ Christmas at Winter Park resort in 1991(8-mm footage) th-cam.com/video/8qzby_qKMo4/w-d-xo.html
■ Digitizing analog videos (playlist): th-cam.com/play/PL3WveGVbd9lYLBJCjBHAmqEQ5U0lDJ_nT.html&si=Mmu7wFDquH8WS9E-
I Was waiting THIS video about hi 8, 8,... thanks a lot 😊
Why exclude digital 8
Вы дали такой огромный объем информации в таком коротком видео! На книжку небольшую потянет!
Спасибо, что смотрите! Я старался :) Перелопатил полторы сотни журналов. Середина, где про отверстия, проседает немного. Может я подрежу ее потом. Я забыл вставить несколько красивых картинок с магнитной лентой в разрезе. Стандартная 8-мм лента 13 мкм, потом 10 мкм, потом 9.25 мкм, и трехчасовая 7 мкм. Я так понимаю, что у трехчасовой все три отверстия справа открыты. Я не стал ее покупать, чтобы проверить :) Я и так специально купил ME, чтобы посмотреть на нее. Я думал, что у ME будут оба отверстия слева открыты, и был удивлен, что MP Hi8 отверстие закрыто.
Digital8 камера у меня в долговременной аренде от друга, он одно время даже выбросить ее хотел. У нее совершенно ломовой TBC, лучше тех, что в медицинском Мицу и в камере JVC: стабилизирует и строчные импульсы (то, что отдельные товарищи называют "Line TBC"), и кадровые ("Frame TBC"). Я теперь через нее прогоняю VHS-кассеты, которые подергиваются на других видаках. Жаль, что верха обрезаются по яркости и цвету, и ведь вроде ничего не делаю: просто скидываю в DV и все. Надо будет еще раз посмотреть, может, там какой-то дополнительный уровень есть, который надо отключить. У японцев цифровой ноль с самого низа, а у американцев есть pedestal 7.5 IRE, но камера продана была в Америке, и записи сделаны там же, правда, другой камерой.
@@ConsumerDV Мне очень нравилась в оцифровке PAL версия SONY DCR TRV-120! Сравнима по качеству с Canopus ADVC-300 и почти идентична Canopus twin packt 100. Но я сравнивал по соотношению детализация-шумность.
Hi! Type Of The Tape звучит прикольно! Словно из поговорки! :)
Awesome! Learned something new !!
Great video! I've heard that on the digital8 cameras that the analog outputs for Video8 and Hi8 are basically encoded to DV first, and then reconverted back to analog for output. This kind of makes sense with the TBC active in particular as it would need to be digitized in some way for that to work and the conversion chip is likely doing both functions. If that were to be the case, then S-Video would be inferior to DV capture from a Digital8 camcorder. Have you directly compared an S-Video capture to the DV one, or is saying DV is inferior for a Hi8 tape when played back on a Digital8 camcorder more theoretical?
Good point! TBC indeed needs analog video to be digitized. But DV uses uncompressed digital video as input, so I am pretty sure that one of the stages includes uncompressed video. The very last 20 seconds of this video show Video8 footage digitized through S-video and through DV port. DV video has highlights blown out. I don't think this is an issue with DV per se, just a botched A/D conversion, or maybe the components of the camera went out of the spec.
Спасибо за интересное информативное видео!
Great presentation, like always. SONY even developed a Hi8 ENG camera for broadcast, the SONY EVW-300 and many low-budget stations have adopted it as an alternative between Betacam and SVHS. Speaking of tape thickness, is anyone aware if the tape thickness varies or it's the same in SONY DVCAM tapes for PVD-64M, PVD-94M, PVD-124M and PVD-184M cassettes?
Thank you! I should have been more concise regarding tape width. Standard 8-mm tape thickness up to 90 minutes is 13 μm, 2-hour tape is 10 μm, 2.5-hour tape is 9.25 μm, and 3-hour tape is 7 μm. Regarding DV tape, standard 60-min MiniDV cassettes are loaded with 70 m of 7 μm tape, but there were 80 min cassettes with 93 m of 5.5 μm tape, whoa! I don't know whether there was a thinner tape. I haven't used DVCAM tapes. I bought several DVCPRO medium-sized cassettes to compare them to 8-mm, but I did not include it in the video. Maybe some other time :)
Interesting that DVCPRO M cassette is very similar in size to 8-mm cassette. A 2-hour 8-mm cassette has 106 m of tape, good enough for 60 minutes of DV video @ 25 Mbit/s. A standard DVCPRO cassette has 137 m of tape, good for 66 min of video @ 25 Mbit/s or 33 min @ 50 Mbit/s. All in all, little difference. I am not sure what was the point of the DV form-factor. Maybe they could not downsize 8-mm cassette? Another reason I've heard is that Panasonic and especially JVC wanted a new form-factor to prevent Sony from re-using its hardware. I have S (MiniDV), M and L. I don't have XL, they are too expensive.
Digital8 tape can be used in Hi8 camcorder and record Hi8 image quality? Somehow i found in my collection of 8 and Hi8 tapes Digital8 and some recorded material which can be played using my Sony CCD-TRV67E PAL camcorder.
At the end, excellent video, thank you.
Digital8 tape is in fact Hi8 tape. When used in a Hi8 camcorder you should be able to record in Hi8 format.
Hi! I have a Sony Video 8 Handycam. The audio and video outputs look like the one you showed at 11:19. Which converter devices can I use to digitize my Video 8 tapes on a Mac?
Any device that accepts composite video and analog audio will do. To ensure you have audio in both channels you can get a Y-cable to split a single audio channel into two, or you can do it in software. I cannot recommend specific hardware and software since I don't use Mac for capturing, I use Windows.
Thank you
What exacltly was the problem with mixing MP (Video8) and ME (Hi8) tapes and 'grease' ? - video head clogging or something else?
Yes, there were some reports that allegedly mixing MP and ME tapes on the same machine causes head clogging and dirt on the pinch roller. This was about MiniDV, not Digital8. MiniDV has 10 μm track pitch, DVCAM - 15 μm, DVCPRO - 18 μm, Digital8 - 16.34 µm. So, maybe this is not as relevant for larger 8-mm heads as for MiniDV. Also, I believe Sony researched the matter and found no evidence for the claim.
Early ME tape was flaky, so maybe because of this Panasonic specified only MP tape for its DVCPRO format. I've used both ME and MP tapes on my DV camcorder and did not experience any issues, but I recorded just a couple of dozen tapes, hardly enough to clog the heads.
Hello
I have 8mm videocassette from 2001 family memories. I dont have camera. I want to know what is recorded on those tapes. I dont know how to start. Find a 8mm camcorder is hard. And I don't want to send those tapes by mail to digitalize them before checking what is recorded. Please all sugestions are welcome
If you don't know what kind of 8-mm tape you have, Digital 8 camcorder is a safer choice, as it can play both analog and digital recordings.
Hi8 CAN be recorded into standard 8mm video tapes- you just have to punch the hole out where Hi8 would have it punched out.
At least for me, recording Hi8 onto ~30 year old used normal 8mm tapes isn't that terrible!
Same as with SVHS, depending on tape quality it can be almost as good as using proper high-grade tape. But punching or drilling a hole can damage the tape, which is why JVC developed SVHS-ET, but Sony did better and switched to digital. Standard tape can be used for Digital8 officially, no extra holes required.
This is a great video. Thank you so much for the thorough explanation about everything! I'm looking to do the expensive way of converting to my analogue videos to digital in the near future with a Retrotink 4k (usually used in video game up-scaling, but now supports VCR). The retrotink has built in TBC. I also found a cheap CCD-TRS100 on ebay which has the s-video out. I found a great video on digitizing VHS tapes using the retrotrink 4k here - th-cam.com/video/Br6YRkOM9jA/w-d-xo.html
Not sure if this is interesting to you and I think I might need more help once I get my retrotrink to actually get it to the best quality. Either way, thank you so much for sharing all of your knowledge!
Thanks! I think that 4K is overkill for VHS or Video8, although uploading to YT at 1080p seems to preserve more detail than 720p just because YT affords more bitrate for higher resolution. The Digital8 camcorder that I have has built-in TBC and a very good one, so this is my go-to solution for 8-mm tapes. For VHS I have got a Panasonic VHS/DVD recorder, which works sufficiently well: th-cam.com/video/LaH73rhBHbk/w-d-xo.html