I'm not much into politics But I support The Nationalisation of the mines... European countries Benefit From AFRICA and Still Africans Are Staving. I wish Malema's plan become A success...
i really hope that one day all of us can get along...we have a beautiful country ...so lets just all enjoy it!instead you make racist remarks and fight ..time to grow up guys
The Nguni people started expanding to sub- Saharan Africa between the 1st and 5th Century, They did not come to this country in slave ships they migrated from west and east of Africa to settle in the South .I am only stating this because I think we all need to get our facts straight if we are to unite in fighting for equality in race,gender and economical empowerment in this country
Instead of being blinded by hatred I think it will be wiser for you to find an alternative route to fight for what you believe in, what you are calling for will not help our fellow sisters and brothers at all instead we will find ourselves similar to our neighboring country Zimbabwe.I suggest you inform yourself accordingly if you want to rip positive results.
And you are painting ALL BLACKS with one brush just because of Julius Malema (now he's a real ass hole. Africa for Africans. Keep Calm & Love the continent & us ;)
what "did" it have to do with then, Evans? Please educate me..& now I'm a bit lost because you speak like the ideological barrage against my kind is still present. Am I in the wrong century? Please help the fool, Davis.
Ernestina Nkooe Anybody that believes the Nazi regime and apartheid are the same thing is beyond help. And my name is Evan Davis, without the s on Evan and the Ie in Davis. If you can't even get the spelling of a persons name right, there is no help for you.
I am a South African now living in Canada. My opinion may not be of much value, but, it is quite disappointing to read some of these comments. Evil does not have a color. South Africa's history has seen it's fair share of unkind white people (apartheid), but the year 2013 is not the time to start pointing fingers about who's smarter or more evil. The fact of the matter is you are all stuck in the same country now, MAKE IT WORK. You are all flawed human beings. None better than the other.
I understand and I appreciate that you didnt just call me a racist after I said that,because I am not.I know it makes you boil inside if people say such things but look at the messages coming from "movingafrica2freedom".Its ridiculous,If he can speak like that why cant I say something just as bad to him?
As a racist I have no problem spotting another racist and once he admits he is a racist he would have earned my respect and my enmity at the same time... Presently he only has my enmity.
I'm not saying that the Khoi-San once occupied all of modern-day South Africa, but I am making the point that they were largely driven out of their ancestral homelands, and greatly reduced in numbers in the process. To expect modern-day black South African citizens to give up land that THEY have bought (from their government), paid for, worked on, and improved because of this is unreasonable. That's the point.
Just in reading the comments below is why South Africa does not stand a chance of any form of peace and or freedom. The mental attitude of people is the only way of change, not getting land back, not striking, not shooting, not blaming and definitely nor the EFF. There is already enough blood that stains the streets, the homes and the land of South Africa, if the EFF continue on the march to economic freedom then there will be a lot more blood flowing.
Kindly mind the way you express yourself if you want to join the debate do not use words like that,its people like yourself that make MovingAfrica2freedom have such views,I am speaking from experience here when i say i have experienced the struggle and every time i hear that word it reminds me of so much and makes me boil inside,that one word can incite a dangerous outcome if people like do not adhere to its negative impact.
I also need to mention: Agang is a disappointment as they are not acting up, they r not causing any stir, nothing, they are not radical enough to topple the ANC. Would have voted for DA but their racist tendencies by its supporters is appauling. Therefore, EFF really offers refuge for ordinary blacks who genuinely think for their fellow blacks.
He sounds mature. Scary (likening it to Zimbabwe) as it sounds, but he does know what he wants. Let's see if they will try to flush him like a condom when he is not inside the ANC. Fasten your seatbelt Mzansi. Let the games begin
You're right: I should overlook your assumptions that I own land, that this land is in Africa, and that it's not land I worked and paid for. I should also overlook the huge generalizations of white people and pretend it's not racist at all. I'll happily give all the land I own back to the Khoi-San just as soon as you and Malema give yours back to them too...
Thank you for your genuine concern my friend, but EFF is a force to be reckoned with. EFF would model what happened for the Bafokeng Tribe, to the rest of South Africa. We need re-appropriation of land and mineral wealth and we need it now. Even if I don't get something myself, my children or my grandchildren will taste the real fruits of freedom. PS I am an educated SA'n, not in politics and I represent the views of many black youth. ANC is corrupt, DA habours racists, EFF possible answer.
the inequalities of capitalism are so severe in South Africa that there really needs to be a Hugo Chavas style character like Malema.It will all end in diaster on par with Zimbabwe but I reckon it's worth a try.
I've lived in Venezuela. We do not need a Chavez! That country hardly functions, it's been held together by a thin skeleton of oil money. Most people are desperate, crime is ridiculous, there are always food shortages and don't ever think about owning a company, he destroyed nearly all, especially small businesses. You're right though, in saying it's how RSA would be if Malema came to power. It would slip down the drain economically and socially...Poverty would become more widespread, the middle class would be destroyed and only the richest of the rich left, crime would rocket, currency would fall etc
jeremy dickens"most people are desperate" - sounds like most of bankrupt western Europe! Chavez redistributed wealth as did Mugabe.The right-wing press simply refuse to see anything good in such an act - why would they? after all neoliberal economics is supreme NOTHING is allowed to challenge that....
To my fellow candres the best way to empower ourselves is to acknowledge the crimes committed to our people in the past and somewhat in the present but do not allow them to be the answer for what I believe to be a sense of entitlement.
Empirical understand that these lands were not taken from the San people,South Africa was occupied in all different corners by different tribes the San people only occupied a potion of this which was more the Cape of good hope and Namibia,,Stated this earlier because evidence was found that the Azanians were the first to settle in SA and the other clans such as the San and Nguni people followed to occupy other areas of this country.
Thanks for proving my point. Ad hominem attacks and threats enter a debate when you don't have normal, logical things like evidence to support it. Every time you insult me, you're admitting that you have no argument. to imagine that there's some widespread conspiracy to commit genocide is bad enough, but to believe individuals like myself and others on this board are personally responsible demonstrates that you really haven't thought this through at all.
Well atleast I possess a basic education. And btw, I didn't claim and have never been "the master on earth". Racism will never stop until BOTH parties stop practising it !
Shaun Stiglingh, Firstly I would like to correct your statement about the San people being the original owners of South Africa,yes genetic evidence suggest that they are the oldest African tribe in the world but the first humans recorded in history to occupy sub-Saharan Africa were Azanians. AZANIA the real name of our country prior to colonization. Note that the San people only occupied arrears such as the Cape of good hope,Botswana,Namibia,Angola.
Yeah but who was mostly benefiting from this "best economy"?Whites mainly.Blacks in South Africa for the most part were virtual slaves getting paid slave wages and starving,or unemployed and starving.
Listen here I am a Afrikaans Boer, but I will not stand for your bad language and your poor way of speaking about other people. I will not associate myself with the likes of you.
We poses the ability to build an obdurate economy without nationalisation. let us keep the source of income in our own communities and use the few resources we have to create a foundation that we can be truly proud of,Lets deprive the greedy people of this country our buying power and use that to grow our people, we have the power but It does not lie with our politicians.
Talk about greedy land owners but in reality the government owns most of the land, why not give them land and let them build their own farm. Why take a farm that is already built and running?? Start your own thing, WORK FOR IT. "The audit, released last week, found state land ownership was about 17,062-million hectares out of about 125-million hectares." source - bdlive.co.za/business/agriculture/2013/03/25/state-owns-14-of-land- so why not give some of this land ?
im on no one side times have changed what the Europeans did is over and long gone even though on some ignored places they still are bullying our people I wish they stop it nd try nd unite coz this world is coming to an end I hate this devidance it hurts me lets love each other
Julius Malema reminds me of Joseph in the holy and powerful book of Exodus! From the Pit to Prime Minister of Egypt when his own brothers had sold him to the dogs! Black people must vote for the EFF. ANC brought political
I'm starting to think we should report this MovingAfrica guy for abuse, people. I can't keep count of all the words like "evil, devil, satanic, etc" that he's using (inrefernce to an entire ethnicity). Not to mention the threats of starvation, deportment (to where???) and "nightmares". He's not contributing to any sort of debate, just wasting the time of those who want to discuss the issues. What say you?
ek wag vir daardie dag julle wit rassistiese honde julle lang neuse sal eers waai die see sal rooi wees mandela is meer daar nie julle sal soos honger honde vrek gemoerse julle daar is getel dis of reg of weg
you are missing the point Khoisan are black people I am a descendent. and you probably know very well that Khoisan do not carry documentation so any black person could be one of them. please tell us how you intend to distinguish who is and who is not the fact is land taken away by conquest is illegal. that's comes from the UN , YOU have to give the land TO ITS rightful owners. you sir are in stranger in a strange land , hence the reason why people single you out its a natural feeling
I would like to know what "freedom" he is fighting for seeing as Mandela already "walked 27years" for our freedom? Then another question. Who are these "rightful owners" of the land he is referring to? Is this a typical racist statement and what do you mean our people? Has he ever gone into a majority white, mixed race, indian, or any other racial area, other than your own? So who are these "our people" you represent?
How about this,the computer that you are using, take that away, take your phone away, take your car away, take your clothing away, take your internet away, take your banks away, take your roads away, take proper food away, take sanitation away, take pretty much everything that Caucasian people have kindly shared with and given you. Your argument is invalid. Don't take me the wrong way I am in no way racist I just hate people who fail to see the bigger picture.
You should check out his trial for Dubul' ibhunu. He made the prosecutor look uneducated. The dude is an underrated genius.
Started from the bottom up... look at him now!
i AM Beginning to like Malema......Africa needs people like Malema.!!!
I'm not much into politics But I support The Nationalisation of the mines... European countries Benefit From AFRICA and Still Africans Are Staving. I wish Malema's plan become A success...
***** come on... you can do better than that. dont come on internet with an attitude you had while you had braces ... boy!
i really hope that one day all of us can get along...we have a beautiful country ...so lets just all enjoy it!instead you make racist remarks and fight ..time to grow up guys
Malema is the best thing that has ever happened to black South Africans,
That's what Ive been saying foe a looooooong time now... Good to see smart people giving their opinions as well.
The Nguni people started expanding to sub- Saharan Africa between the 1st and 5th Century, They did not come to this country in slave ships they migrated from west and east of Africa to settle in the South .I am only stating this because I think we all need to get our facts straight if we are to unite in fighting for equality in race,gender and economical empowerment in this country
EFF gets my vote
this oak is an embarrassment to all the hard work this country has put in over the last 25 years
But Julius you didnt pass economics, how can you run a country!
Justin Shone that is the dummiest thing ever to think like that
@@onionpeeling5822 Did Zuma Passed
Lool
Stupid question indeed..
Malema, I will be voting for u.
EFF will definately get my vote
Instead of being blinded by hatred I think it will be wiser for you to find an alternative route to fight for what you believe in, what you are calling for will not help our fellow sisters and brothers at all instead we will find ourselves similar to our neighboring country Zimbabwe.I suggest you inform yourself accordingly if you want to rip positive results.
It will happen sooner than we think yaz. Chief Commander Malema!!!!
Look at it now
lead us malema
I CANT WAIT TO START MY COLLECTION OF NICE EFF RED BERRETS...PITY MOST OF THEM WILL HAVE HOLES IN THEM.
We had apartheid and slavery because of Nazi mentality. That's what we -Africans- not Blacks, & Jews have in deep common. What is your History???
And you are painting ALL BLACKS with one brush just because of Julius Malema (now he's a real ass hole. Africa for Africans. Keep Calm & Love the continent & us ;)
Ernestina Nkooe You need to educate yourself. Apartheid has nothing to do with Nazi's you uneducated fool.
what "did" it have to do with then, Evans? Please educate me..& now I'm a bit lost because you speak like the ideological barrage against my kind is still present. Am I in the wrong century? Please help the fool, Davis.
Ernestina Nkooe Anybody that believes the Nazi regime and apartheid are the same thing is beyond help. And my name is Evan Davis, without the s on Evan and the Ie in Davis. If you can't even get the spelling of a persons name right, there is no help for you.
"this land is too big"
I am a South African now living in Canada. My opinion may not be of much value, but, it is quite disappointing to read some of these comments. Evil does not have a color. South Africa's history has seen it's fair share of unkind white people (apartheid), but the year 2013 is not the time to start pointing fingers about who's smarter or more evil. The fact of the matter is you are all stuck in the same country now, MAKE IT WORK. You are all flawed human beings. None better than the other.
I understand and I appreciate that you didnt just call me a racist after I said that,because I am not.I know it makes you boil inside if people say such things but look at the messages coming from "movingafrica2freedom".Its ridiculous,If he can speak like that why cant I say something just as bad to him?
As a racist I have no problem spotting another racist and once he admits he is a racist he would have earned my respect and my enmity at the same time... Presently he only has my enmity.
What are you saying about malema TODAY?
@@awueseagwadza1248He still hadn't admitted that he's a racist, only deeply implied it.
If it was illegal then why is no criminal charges laid to court?
Look at him now?
I'm not saying that the Khoi-San once occupied all of modern-day South Africa, but I am making the point that they were largely driven out of their ancestral homelands, and greatly reduced in numbers in the process.
To expect modern-day black South African citizens to give up land that THEY have bought (from their government), paid for, worked on, and improved because of this is unreasonable. That's the point.
We might not see his as a leader but we see him as a strategic planner to bring Zuma down and go back to have long time chair in ANC.
God must be so disappointed in south africa.. (seek Jesus while you can ,south africa, we've failed miserably)
God is disappointed towards black south africans for not seeking revenge on the whites for crimes of Apartheid...what do you think!?
Just in reading the comments below is why South Africa does not stand a chance of any form of peace and or freedom. The mental attitude of people is the only way of change, not getting land back, not striking, not shooting, not blaming and definitely nor the EFF. There is already enough blood that stains the streets, the homes and the land of South Africa, if the EFF continue on the march to economic freedom then there will be a lot more blood flowing.
From as early as the first century this lands had occupants in it,the Nguni's occupied the areas such as Natal,Swaziland,Botswana,Transvaal and more
If you listen with a keen ear... he's not anwsering the questions she is asking.
Kindly mind the way you express yourself if you want to join the debate do not use words like that,its people like yourself that make MovingAfrica2freedom have such views,I am speaking from experience here when i say i have experienced the struggle and every time i hear that word it reminds me of so much and makes me boil inside,that one word can incite a dangerous outcome if people like do not adhere to its negative impact.
I also need to mention: Agang is a disappointment as they are not acting up, they r not causing any stir, nothing, they are not radical enough to topple the ANC. Would have voted for DA but their racist tendencies by its supporters is appauling. Therefore, EFF really offers refuge for ordinary blacks who genuinely think for their fellow blacks.
Forward Malema forward.Corwards die many a times before their actual death.You have my support behind you.
He sounds mature. Scary (likening it to Zimbabwe) as it sounds, but he does know what he wants. Let's see if they will try to flush him like a condom when he is not inside the ANC.
Fasten your seatbelt Mzansi. Let the games begin
FREEDOM IS A RIGHT, it is a right to live, it is a right of life and life is what YOU make it..
A SCHOOL
A BATTLEFEILD
A PLAYGROUND
I will vote for malema now
president malema
malema go malema my president
ndiyanibona nje madlagusha ibhatyi zogcwalumoya.
i think he should settle his Tax bill first then maybe we will consider joining his 'Maybe'
You're right: I should overlook your assumptions that I own land, that this land is in Africa, and that it's not land I worked and paid for. I should also overlook the huge generalizations of white people and pretend it's not racist at all.
I'll happily give all the land I own back to the Khoi-San just as soon as you and Malema give yours back to them too...
Thank you for your genuine concern my friend, but EFF is a force to be reckoned with. EFF would model what happened for the Bafokeng Tribe, to the rest of South Africa. We need re-appropriation of land and mineral wealth and we need it now. Even if I don't get something myself, my children or my grandchildren will taste the real fruits of freedom. PS I am an educated SA'n, not in politics and I represent the views of many black youth. ANC is corrupt, DA habours racists, EFF possible answer.
the inequalities of capitalism are so severe in South Africa that there really needs to be a Hugo Chavas style character like Malema.It will all end in diaster on par with Zimbabwe but I reckon it's worth a try.
I've lived in Venezuela. We do not need a Chavez! That country hardly functions, it's been held together by a thin skeleton of oil money. Most people are desperate, crime is ridiculous, there are always food shortages and don't ever think about owning a company, he destroyed nearly all, especially small businesses.
You're right though, in saying it's how RSA would be if Malema came to power. It would slip down the drain economically and socially...Poverty would become more widespread, the middle class would be destroyed and only the richest of the rich left, crime would rocket, currency would fall etc
jeremy dickens"most people are desperate" - sounds like most of bankrupt western Europe! Chavez redistributed wealth as did Mugabe.The right-wing press simply refuse to see anything good in such an act - why would they? after all neoliberal economics is supreme NOTHING is allowed to challenge that....
South Africa had the best economy and best army when the boer people rules south africa, but that is not to say that how they ruled it was good.
To my fellow candres the best way to empower ourselves is to acknowledge the crimes committed to our people in the past and somewhat in the present but do not allow them to be the answer for what I believe to be a sense of entitlement.
this can answer the question directly!!!!!!!!!!
One more thing Shaun please don't make the mistake of saying that the San people are Coloured People.
He wears a hat indoors. Nothing more needs to be said.
Just a lost for words... He calls the working people brainless....
Please enlighten me, how exactly are you able to "deport" us?
Boldness Malema
Empirical understand that these lands were not taken from the San people,South Africa was occupied in all different corners by different tribes the San people only occupied a potion of this which was more the Cape of good hope and Namibia,,Stated this earlier because evidence was found that the Azanians were the first to settle in SA and the other clans such as the San and Nguni people followed to occupy other areas of this country.
Thanks for proving my point. Ad hominem attacks and threats enter a debate when you don't have normal, logical things like evidence to support it. Every time you insult me, you're admitting that you have no argument.
to imagine that there's some widespread conspiracy to commit genocide is bad enough, but to believe individuals like myself and others on this board are personally responsible demonstrates that you really haven't thought this through at all.
Well atleast I possess a basic education.
And btw, I didn't claim and have never been "the master on earth".
Racism will never stop until BOTH parties stop practising it !
Shaun Stiglingh, Firstly I would like to correct your statement about the San people being the original owners of South Africa,yes genetic evidence suggest that they are the oldest African tribe in the world but the first humans recorded in history to occupy sub-Saharan Africa were Azanians. AZANIA the real name of our country prior to colonization. Note that the San people only occupied arrears such as the Cape of good hope,Botswana,Namibia,Angola.
Yeah but who was mostly benefiting from this "best economy"?Whites mainly.Blacks in South Africa for the most part were virtual slaves getting paid slave wages and starving,or unemployed and starving.
Most of them can't leave, all they have are South African passports which is pretty much a useless piece of paper these days.
Not bad
EK HOU VAN JOU MOOI ROOI BERRET - SEE YOU ON THE BATTLEFIELD ...KLEIN KAFFERKIE
Are you guys serious....wtf
Listen here I am a Afrikaans Boer, but I will not stand for your bad language and your poor way of speaking about other people. I will not associate myself with the likes of you.
We poses the ability to build an obdurate economy without nationalisation. let us keep the source of income in our own communities and use the few resources we have to create a foundation that we can be truly proud of,Lets deprive the greedy people of this country our buying power and use that to grow our people, we have the power but It does not lie with our politicians.
ANC allows this kind of arrogance !
this is our country. we want are resources bck cause it is ours
some people really should think before they type....
you brought nothing!
Talk about greedy land owners but in reality the government owns most of the land, why not give them land and let them build their own farm. Why take a farm that is already built and running?? Start your own thing, WORK FOR IT.
"The audit, released last week, found state land ownership was about 17,062-million hectares out of about 125-million hectares."
source - bdlive.co.za/business/agriculture/2013/03/25/state-owns-14-of-land- so why not give some of this land ?
im on no one side times have changed what the Europeans did is over and long gone even though on some ignored places they still are bullying our people I wish they stop it nd try nd unite coz this world is coming to an end I hate this devidance it hurts me lets love each other
How old are you? 12?
If this guy gets into power maybe he will do just as much good for South-Africa as Mugabe did for Zimbabwe.
Julius Malema reminds me of Joseph in the holy and powerful book of Exodus! From the Pit to Prime Minister of Egypt when his own brothers had sold him to the dogs! Black people must vote for the EFF. ANC brought political
listen i would not be the one talking about caves, as Europe is way more civilized than Africa.
Orlando tembe amadla
we going down soon
I'm starting to think we should report this MovingAfrica guy for abuse, people. I can't keep count of all the words like "evil, devil, satanic, etc" that he's using (inrefernce to an entire ethnicity). Not to mention the threats of starvation, deportment (to where???) and "nightmares".
He's not contributing to any sort of debate, just wasting the time of those who want to discuss the issues.
What say you?
But come on people. Racsim, really? Grow up boys.
i give to you the South African comedy show, oh wait i mean politics
we must elect malame lol i will live South Africa
He looks so hungry for food Malema
JOU DAG SAL AANBREEK PLATNEUS...
ek wag vir daardie dag julle wit rassistiese honde julle lang neuse sal eers waai die see sal rooi wees mandela is meer daar nie julle sal soos honger honde vrek gemoerse julle daar is getel dis of reg of weg
BILLY Crouch WATSE SOORT FOKOP IS JY?
Yeah that is true. lol
I can imagine how how he scares you.
you are missing the point Khoisan are black people I am a descendent. and you probably know very well that Khoisan do not carry documentation so any black person could be one of them. please tell us how you intend to distinguish who is and who is not the fact is land taken away by conquest is illegal. that's comes from the UN , YOU have to give the land TO ITS rightful owners. you sir are in stranger in a strange land , hence the reason why people single you out its a natural feeling
Hey that what your brother said in Zimbwabwe,,whare are they now? you are next
"casta samenia he is a women"
CIC ❤
And Mr. Malema.... Looks like you've got healthy teeth.... But, can you and you comrades eat gold or diamonds??
I would like to know what "freedom" he is fighting for seeing as Mandela already "walked 27years" for our freedom? Then another question. Who are these "rightful owners" of the land he is referring to? Is this a typical racist statement and what do you mean our people? Has he ever gone into a majority white, mixed race, indian, or any other racial area, other than your own? So who are these "our people" you represent?
I think it's the first time I've ever heard Malema speak rather fluently and almost intelligibly.
How about this,the computer that you are using, take that away, take your phone away, take your car away, take your clothing away, take your internet away, take your banks away, take your roads away, take proper food away, take sanitation away, take pretty much everything that Caucasian people have kindly shared with and given you. Your argument is invalid. Don't take me the wrong way I am in no way racist I just hate people who fail to see the bigger picture.
Guys,,, they can't accept facts. Drop it,)ou can't argue with a brick wall.
Im sorry to say but you're being very mislead my man.
u know poeple a nt da same maybe dis guy must grow up we live in new world now
Lol, nothing humbles me more than a white person being mad at us. hahaha, Shoutout
this guy mara hayi
Feel sorry for you
The F#@*&ing LEADER is BACK!!!
lol. some people are just tappit hehehehehehehe. this guy calling everyone baboon is so messed up hahahahahahahahahahahahaa. lololol. doffie
Hehe, pretty much all over the place. ;) Never mind, looks like you found it.
Some of you need to seek God. Seriously because you are Lost.
What a pathetic comment, my goodness, why did you lie about your age on when you signed up on TH-cam, don't you have to be over 6 to post content...?
My friend you really need help. Genuinely man, you really need help. That is all I can say