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I legit don't think it's the slightest bit weird that a woman with PTSD would be unnerved by someone who has a history of violence against women and autistically calls that women's concerns virtue signaling. That is literally the most online shit I've ever heard. 99% of women are going to be made uncomfortable by Mr Girl when he does shit like this, lmao. The only thing that was at all weird from Brittany imo is her sexual forwardness, but she also backpedaled that after she realized that she was responding to Mr Girls autistic inability to communicate attraction or a lackthereof, lmao.
I think in terms of his views on the world, Destiny is fairly normal. Only thing that comes to mind is his abnormally high confidence and low level of empathy.
The mental state of these two (and the weird meta values they hold) SURELY cant be an accurate representation of any significant portion of our population.
@@Benshooman I work in investment banking, so maybe I'm biased. It's 90% of people I encounter. Edit: maybe more. There's one normal person and one half normal person.
Does Mr Girl possess a valid human consciousness? Will he pass the final exam of the Turing test? These are the topics I imagine during these conversations.
MrGirl's defensiveness and contrarianism is a perfect yin to Brittany's condescension and histrionic BPD yang. That is, if you want an infuriatingly meaningless but entertaining conversation, which is the bedrock of schizowatching
I really dislike MrGirl now. I thought he was interesting but I am getting extremely annoyed at his judgments about people. There is no conversation happening it is just assumptions and judgments.
I've been feeling this as well. I feel like Mr. Girl already has his mind made up before the convo & is aware of that behavior. It's like he's choosing to be an asshole
I would kill to stop the creation of another mediocre and useless podcast that's only fueled by the sheer obnoxiousness of the hosts. Oh God please rather give me another podcast of talentless boring comedians, who talk about their "craft".
Dawg... Brittany... Is boring asf. Why would you want to sit down and listen to that? It's not even tolerable white noise. God, you people are strange.
@@themodmancarl Please don't tell me you believe MrGirl is more empathetic lol. Didnt he also said he tested high on the narcissism scale?. To me it's obvious
@@themodmancarl Hey! Are you calling your master a 5??! He said he was a 6 and you dare contradict him?. I hope you don't get thrown out of the not at all a cult. Maybe try rectifying this by making a reddit post of how unbelievably honest, transparent and self aware MrGirl is and how noone understands his rare talent.
@@onionfarmer3044how did you not understand his point? He made a video about this weird and complex situation of domestic abuse where it was wrong but you also admit you are wrong but find some justification- and Brittany is asking “as I am a rape victim and I pushed a guy trying to RAPE me. Am I abusive?” This is not a counter to anything because there is only 1 answer- nothing about her story is nuanced. Max even days before she tells her story that it’s “probably gonna be a story where you are justified in the hitting.”
@@Aaron-rw3lv he was trying to signal that she is bad and he is good after being nothing but difficult and needlessly aggressive during their conversation
Dude is not disagreeable, he is removed from reality. Like in a small bubble where he is the empath and knows better than everyone else. Where he is "king". Dude literally gives arguments like "I do it because I was indoctrinated into progressivism." and acknowledges it was like a cult but doesnt even try to improve his perspective.
Brittany isn't full of shit, she genuinely does have Borderline Personality Disorder, and it affects her mood. I know it isn't the whole picture, but mrgirl gaslighting her that she wasn't having a Borderline episode is gaslighting bullshit. mrgirl truly does live in his own head. If I were Brittany, I would just ignore him and not let him get to me.
I feel like every time I listen to Max I like him less. It's so obvious what she's trying to say when she says they're speaking different languages. It just means they're missing each other because neither one is able to fully communicate what the other is intending to say. A person who speaks Finnish isn't stupid for speaking a different language than me. Only a dishonest person or someone so clouded by their own biases would automatically make that leap.
@@isaiahpatton5558 being here for entertainment first and foremost and not being a fan of either of them, this shapes up to be my favourite arc if it goes on a little longer, comment sections explicitly included.
Max doesn't agree that they are speaking different languages. If he's being honest here, his main problem is that he perceives the entire conversation bad faith either due to their offline chats or specific things she's said on her past streams/their past conversations. This is why he sees their interactions as a game.
Thank you. I unfollowed him recently. Some of the stuff he says is great, but he comes off as the stereotypical edgy psychology kid that says things in a certain way, to get you to respond in a certain way, so that he can correct you and feel superior. I also think he’s way more conservative than he lets on.
Brittany says she's a level 5, but in terms of levels of introspection both Destiny and Max seem far more introspective and honest about how they actually feel about the things they experience than her. Both Destiny and Max are willing to concede that there are times where the urge to be physically abusive arrives, but Brittany completely disassociates with such an idea and acts like she could never do such a thing, when in reality any introspective individual knows that extreme emotional outbursts are impossible to know and determine with certainty.
It bothers the hell out of me because there's no actual consistent way to measure someone's "level" so it always just reduces to whatever Brittany feels like your level is at that given moment, lmao.
Huh? Destiny also said he would never do such a thing, unless it was in self-defense, or to protect a loved one. Destiny's actual honesty, is different than Max's faux honesty.
Eh, I disagree, I think people can have different inclinations. Even when I'm triggered as fuck I never feel the urge to hurt other people--I feel the urge to self-harm instead. Like, when I'm pushed to my snapping point, I have literally smashed my head into walls or punched myself. I think Brittany is probably the same. It's just different brains. I've talked to some people who also self-harm or feel the urge, and others for whom that feeling is alien... Like they say no matter how fucked up they get, they could never cause themselves physical pain. I think it's related to whether we internalize or externalize negative emotions.
She doesn't know that there is a 6th level. I know because I am a 6. It's when you realise that introspection is not quantifiable on a stupid 1-5 system, as if it's a star rating on a yelp review.
Does Brittany think most people don’t see through her “bubbly” facade. She’s trying to come across as a little ray of sunshine but she’s actually quite conniving.
Destiny misunderstands the point about it not being normal to want to punch your girlfriend. He used the example of wanting to kill his own kid, but obviously that's not a true desire he has. With MrGirl, he actually wants to punch his girlfriend, and he is probably actively struggling to keep himself from doing so. That is a fundamentally different type of anger than the anger Destiny is referring to. Destiny doesn't have to keep himself from not killing his kid, like he said "I would never do that". Of course, because it's not a genuine desire. With Mr Girl, he obviously will do that at some point, as he did in the past. It's not like a kind of anger where he knows he will "Never do that", it's a kind of anger where he might actually do it, and he keeps himself from doing it, which means that when he snaps, he actually does it. There is no "snapping" in the case Destiny described. The kind of anger Mr Girl is talking about is not the common kind Destiny is trying to conflate it with.
Imagine missing the point this hard. The reason MrGirl punched his ex and why he argues people generally get violent in relationships, is because their needs aren’t being met and violence is a tool to get those needs met. The desire isn’t the violence itself, it’s having your needs met. Please check yourself for brain damage.
I feel like the excuse of "snapping" is lazy. There have been plenty of times where I snapped, but each time I reeled myself in before anything was said or done that could have been used against me. Also, maybe I am not understanding his point, but wouldn't you want to distant or get rid of your abusive self rather than covet and love it?
If he is actively working to keep himself from doing so it sounds like he is doing everything he should be doing. "With Mr Girl, he obviously will do that at some point, as he did in the past." I mean, no, the past does not 100% dictate the future. You can argue he may be more likely but you can't say definitively, and if he is more likely it's good he is taking steps to resolve the issue.
@@danhill3302 Well see that is the thing isn't it. The way he is saying it, to me it sounds like if it gets to the point again that he snaps with his current GF, that he would punch her. Pretty sure he made that clear in the beginning of the video
@@synlion If you think people "generally get violent" when their emotional needs are not met, you are fundamentally abnormal. There is no brain doctor for that (at least unless you've acted on it), but counseling can help avert the worst. MrGirl is in therapy for a reason. I'm not even saying that as a gotcha, I don't share the pessimism that MrGirl will abuse again, it seems to be doing a good amount of work for him. At the same time, he clearly started therapy on the foundation where he recognized that he was the one with a problem, regardless of what he imagines that problem to be. Pay little attention to the smoke and mirrors after that.
Edit: Destiny sums it up super well at 1:09:20 I think Max’ story is trying to stop these social stigmas, and how we don’t admit to common human feelings but we don’t admit to it because it is immediately taken to extremes and now that person is a “bad and dangerous” person that went way outside the norms. I think the issue is most people are so hyperbolic and are so quick to excuse their behavior that getting a baseline or an accurate read on a person has become impossible. Also, he doesn’t want to say he won’t do hit a partner again, it was a one time thing, but he believes that’s part of the problem because no one can really predict whether they may have a complete mental break to the extreme. He also isn’t trying to frame it as an excuse or it wasn’t a big deal, but at the same time, how do you normalize a one time event? It was also a one time event that out of his entire life, in a situation where he was feeling dejected and stressed from the having to go to lunch with his father. He’s assuming people will be able to recognize the nuance between the extremes and that humans present themselves in these social norms that we automatically assume that the person is using those norms to contextualize the situation. How can he Buck the social norms if he’s using those norms in his own language? It’s a frustrating conversation to have, because everyone is always falling back on those norms to make themselves look better. He doesn’t want to do that, and he expects better of Brittany because he assumes she’s adept enough to understand and she’s flip flopping for optics. He doesn’t want to play the optics game. It’s super frustrating, but I don’t know a better way to have that conversation because the majority of people are never going shed that social shield unless it’s like s family member or something.
@@alex-qd6of I don’t think so. I think Max is pushing back, by saying Brittany is playing in to the social norms she herself speaks out against by framing his story in the context of him adhering to those social norms when he explicitly set out to do the opposite. I mean obviously there’s a bit of back and forth banter and sarcastic quips, but by her framing it as this story makes her feel like Max appears “unsafe” because he could just randomly snap and beat his girlfriend means she either isn’t as deep as she says or she is being a bit hypocritical and falling back on optics.
@@cosettapessa6417 but is that also optics? I guess in a way, he is worried he’s being optically misrepresented. So I hadn’t finished when I first posted, but I think Brittany just betrayed she’s not a level 5, because Destiny is correct that the average women would not take MrGirl very well after his domestic abuse video, but Brittany is claiming she’s definitely NOT the average girl. This is where the big issue is. Either she’s not as high level as she presents herself, or she’s playing both sides for the sake of optics. There could be other factors or conversations that change this dichotomy, but I’m going off of what I’ve seen. Her saying women don’t find 14 year old boys attractive at the end there…makes me feel like maybe she’s not as in touch with things as she thinks. Like, she could’ve abstracted destiny’s analogy but she kinda zoned in on the wrong point entirely. Which really makes me wonder what she is honestly thinking. I might have said otherwise if she had brought up that maybe she has some kind of prior abuse that triggers her to question whether MrGirl is really trying to downplay his outbursts and he’s actually not safe to be around because he thinks it’s normal to snap and hit women. But then it’s almost like we’re back to the starting line and we need to question whether they are speaking on the same level. It’s definitely a head fuck, but I’m pretty sure I am reading MrGirl correctly. Also I think Destiny did a good job and it’s so dumb people are shitting on him from either side. That’s a hard convo to mediate and bridge just because they are all such strong personalities in general.
Max isn't going to stop anything. He's a generic psuedo guru out of the 1960s that uses word salad to make himself sound smarter than he is. All of his positions are only sensible if you let him neuter every single proprietary definition the man spits out to neuter his language. Look at how the man defines rape. In his world, all sexual conduct is effectively rape. Rape is non-consensual sexual intercourse. But in his argument, he redefines the word so that any kind of playful ambiguity is rape, because deep down someone doesn't want to have sex. How does this break down any social stigmas or add anything of substance. Everyone that's not a socially maladjusted shitbird knows that plenty of people like some level of push and pull to their relationships. Everything is still consensual though, because both sides are engaging with the boundaries they've established by their conduct and reciprocal affection. Even Aba and Preach bring this up multiple times. 2 guys that are comedians first are able to engage with the concept of rape in a more honest way than Max, and are able to communicate the ideas in such a way that the average joe can use these ideas in their day to day lives. If you ever applied anything Max says, you'd be sent to prison or shot (depending on where you live). "Also, he doesn’t want to say he won’t do hit a partner again, it was a one time thing, but he believes that’s part of the problem because no one can really predict whether they may have a complete mental break to the extreme. " What the fuck does this even mean? If you're not confident in yourself to maintain some level of self control around your loved ones, then you shouldn't be around them. I don't care how you "intellectualize" this sort of thing, this is textbook abusive behavior. It sounds like the man is a timebomb, and justifies his own lack of self control with psuedo intellectual bullshit. The reason he won't commit to saying he won't do it again, is because he knows he's going to do it again. And again. We don't make excuses for people that use this defense when charged with crimes, "I'm sorry, but I might do it again lol". Why are we making excuses for this piece of shit? "He also isn’t trying to frame it as an excuse or it wasn’t a big deal, but at the same time, how do you normalize a one time event? It was also a one time event that out of his entire life, in a situation where he was feeling dejected and stressed from the having to go to lunch with his father." 'Sorry I assaulted this man officer, I was just really stressed from being around my parents. Please don't hold it against me' God, you guys are so stupid. "How can he Buck the social norms if he’s using those norms in his own language? " How can he buck norms when none of his language persuades anyone to his cause but internet virgins?
i wish they'd go into more like they did at the end about the fundamental problem of how Max sees the world. We all has assumptions about how others mind's work, but he follows it so aggressively that it makes any conversation seem pointless. it also seems fundamentally against his role of empathy, it just feels like aggressive project of his mental state
I legit just think he wants one-way empathy. He wants people to go through the hoops of trying to understand and empathize with him, but he doesn't afford that same understanding toward other people. Even in his talk with Lauren. He came out the gate attacking her for the migrant boat thing asking her a million questions - if Lauren was Mr Girl in that convo he would say that that was an attack and an intentional effort to turn the audience against him. He also literally did the same thing with Brittany in their first convo talking about her statement on 1's. I have no issue with someone offering pushback or having hard conversations, but you can't do that and then not even act like, but literally, unironically say that the other person is Hitler for it. I really, really liked Mr Girl at the beginning, but I think I just had a bad read on him and his goals. He wants to be understood, but doesn't seek to understand, and so he ends up demanding empathy for others while providing none himself.
@@thequeenundisputed I agree. He felt misunderstood in the beginning, but the deeper you dig, the more you realize he’s really incapable of understanding his own flaws.
Man all the comments in this thread are spot on. Its a shame Brittany apologised rather then went for the attack. (although the Jewish comments were uncomfortable)
Its funny because in this case Max is totally right, he just can't articulate it because it's mostly nonverbal cues. Brittney wants to come off as someone who doesn't get mad or doesn't see conversations in terms of wins or losses but EVERY single time she's pressed on that topic, she gets passionate in a way she otherwise never gets, making it clear she really does feel that way. These are her real thoughts: th-cam.com/video/RGkdvfymz0c/w-d-xo.html
Mr. Girl became a hypocrite the moment he said his video's purpose was to connect with more people about the topic of domestic violence. He admitted that he chose a presentation that would upset most normal people and would actually make them more skeptical towards his opinion on the topic, but he doesn't care. Because he only cares about making people as uncomfortable as possible by turning social conventions upside-down. This is apparent, as Destiny pointed out, in his previous conversation with Brittany where he would discard any topic that didn't give him a good angle of attack on her and immediately tried out a diffent way to catch her off-guard with an even more disrespectful accuse. He just gets off on forcing his autistic view of social interaction on others until they submit to it or get so uncomfortable they give up. It's just ego stroking, which still makes him very entertaining, but not really much of an interesting person as he might have seemed before.
Agree with everything but would characterise him as sociopathetic vs autistic. I’m autistic and most of us aren’t manipulative like this and don’t enjoy making others uncomfortable.
I've met chaps like him. He just wants to control every conversation/interaction because he likes feeling like a mastermind. I think he has main character syndrome.
This is the third video with Mr. Girl I've watched and I think you pinpointed what I really don't like about him. He makes a huge deal about being honest to a fault, but his approach to the conversation really doesn't seem honest at all. I haven't seen him go into a conversation wanting to hear another perspective, but instead walks in with his own dodged views not only on his own opinions, but on his opponents motives and views (I watched his video with Erudite and he was ascribing opinions to her that she had expressly disavowed just minutes earlier). Then the whole conversation is nothing but a powerplay from his perspective, because he knows everything there is to know and can't be convinced, so why have an honest discussion when he can focus on winning the argument instead? And at least in this and the Erudite video I watched he's often blatantly wrong (in the motivations he gives his opponent) and somehow blissfully unaware of that. Then again, he seemed to respect Destiny here, so maybe it's just the videos I've seen.
LOL at 1:14:00. She’s been seething about that conversation for a long time and this whole conversation absolutely boils down to smile, act friendly and turn the tables on Max and try to pin him on some weird thing about him not being a ‘safe’ person. She’s too smart to come away from the hitting video with this weird take that she won’t be safe just being in a room with him. Holy fuck. She’s lying or she’s been driven mad to the point where she says she feels like she came out on top in the conversation about her being a cult leader. Literally her reply to the accusations over and over was ‘ok I know that it looks like a cult but, trust me, it’s just not.’ That’s all she said. I don’t follow the subreddits to say for sure but I’m pretty sure she’s been getting a lot of heat over all that. What a wild twist at the end here. Glad mrgirl pointed out the revenge angle that’s lurking just under the surface for the first chapter of this talk. In a way, her reaction to the accusation about malice gives credence to it being true. She oversells the denial by claiming not only is she not being malicious, she WON the previous conversation so she doesn’t even need to go after him. It’s like a switch flipped in the moment she was accused of having malicious intent and suddenly we see the real Brittany (or at least the closest to real someone with BPD can be).
@@lillburtlonk3721 Stop. You are just falling back on Mr girl being batshit insane cause it's easy to say that given the rest of his content. There's no way you could actually listen to that initial conversation and think he was batshit insane. He pinpointed a psychological problem that Brittany had within 5 minutes of interacting with her and it bothered the shit out of her because it was so clearly accurate, not just to her but also to anyone caring to listen. She also had a hard time hearing it because her whole shtick is that she understands herself and other people better than most people (she gets paid money on the basis that people think this about her) and mr girl was able to accurately identify something about her that she wasn't acknowledging. It was the textbook version of what a good therapist would have told her. That's why she hasn't been able to let this go or talk or think about anything else since they spoke to each other.
I think fundamentally both Brittany and Destiny miss what Mr. Girl is trying to say when he makes the case that 'anyone can snap' because for all intents and purposes he's right. We can rationalize all sorts of things in our minds *before* we snap, saying "Oh even if you pushed me to the absolute brink, pushed me as close to the edge as you could or even beyond I would never X, Y, and Z" but we have countless cases of men and women snapping and killing their partners or their children all of whom undoubtedly held the same positions, that no matter how far you pushed them, they'd never resort to violence. You can't rationalize what you would or wouldn't do if you snapped because 'snapping' inherently is irational. Everyone has the capacity for violence if you push them enough. If all Destiny did was call someone the F word when he snapped, then, ARGUABLY, he didn't snap hard enough.
Exactly. Some people even lose their entire sense of self permanently. Being honest about the unknowability of the future is just basic, yet seemingly beyond the reach of so many.
Also are those cases snapping or having a true mental breakdown and blacking out? Example Chris Benoit was a true mental break all together right...But Max snap was an emotional response to stress of impending dinner with his father, and his girlfriend not paying attention. Snapping is used in the sense of momentary lapse in judgement. This whole thing is going to be word definition as each party understands them and relaying that. Max kind of lacks connecting to how somebody else understands what snapped means. And his monotone makes it quite difficult to decipher wheen he is serious or not.
Which is meaningless insight because the point is that, inARGUABLY, most people "don't snap hard enough" in normal conditions - let alone because proximity to their dad is stressing them out. When you describe "snapping and murdering their partners and children," that is an outlier usually foundered in exceptional circumstances. Likewise, an enormous chunk of the human population has experienced similar circumstances throughout history and, when in those conditions, did not murder or harm their loved ones in any way. Look at the much broader domestic abuse, it's not a "normal" reaction to even extreme stress either: if you take a hundred couples and put them in a room, between 2 and 6 will have abuse that year, and every year you re-convene, the couples that are abusive will remain roughly the same, because it is the people that are exceptional as much as their circumstances. Alcoholism is highly correlated with new domestic violence, otherwise it is mostly down to intrinsic or longitudinal factors. Longitudinal factors that represent extreme stresses, like lower education or financial insecurity, have pretty strong sway, but even in the poorest and least educated groups the rate of domestic violence is under 5%. If you ask if any of them have had past domestic abuse over their entire lifetime, you'll average between 10 and 14 people out of the 100 couples. That estimate is including verbal abuse, financial abuse, etc., not limited to raw violence as some might imagine. With the most permissive definitions, you have 2.5% of people as current or potential domestic abusers (5% if you're going to discount women perpetration and conflate the numbers). 2.5%-5% isn't exceptional (not on the scale of 0.05% family murderers) but it is not "normal." For a quick reference, try asking a redhead in the US how they are treated when they go to a state or town with fewer redheads and if they feel like that's "normal." Even when acting irrationally or pushed to the brink, these actions are fringe. This is important to understand, because human capacity for violence is overwhelmingly HIGHER when behaving rationally. That was the entire lesson of the Milgram experiments which certain people actively misunderstand as a lesson on moral ambiguity. It is equally reductive and ridiculous to assume that when under extreme stress every human's first response is to go reach for a machete. MrGirl is conflating this (presupposed) capacity for violence with an active tendency for violence because he does not like the idea of admitting that he has abnormal tendencies that other people do not have, in-general, which is a double fault.
Damn I guess the timestamps are a thing of the past. They were so convenient, especially since so many of Destiny's videos are debates that are long af
Yeeah, as a hardcore fan of Stephen's, a recent fan of Britney's, an often frustrated viewer but not hater of Max's (when he has people challenge him, especially women, he pouts and gets 12 year old boy sullen and acts outrageously disingenuously, like today)... I call unequivocal bullshit on Max in this. Denying exact statements he made (Stephen called him on one in this one), then trying to weasel out of it when they're brought up, and more, wowsers. And, I'd be scared to be alone in a room with him too. He told a story once in a video about how he was with a young woman who thought she knew him, wanted him sexually, and climbed on top of him for her own first time, and their about to be first time together too, herself. So she was really into it. But then he actually bit Into her ass cheek. Horrified, she looked back at him with "terror on her face" he said. Yeah, so would have I bro! Too far, you think...? Then he said into the camera, in such a disturbing way, he wanted to rape her since she'd recoiled, because that made HIM feel bad about himself. So, logically, he figured, again said disturbingly, that "she was the very DEFINITION of asking for it." So, I don't blame Britney for getting danger vibes. I get them too. And, just in case you think it's just that I don't understand out of norm sexual behaviors - This has been a message from your friendly neighborhood BDSM practitioner for going on 28 years now. I would never be alone in a room with Max, and I guess like mine, Britney's danger instinct is very healthy, good for her. We can watch, listen to, and talk to Max online, but be alone with him in a room? Fuck no, not me. Good for Britney too, since she's taking a hard pass now on that for now.
@@jerrym1218 if you actually hate to say it you can just not say it. You are you are picking up on the fact that some woman, for various reasons usually associated with trauma, seek out toxic partners.. But that’s a weird thing to say to a woman who specifically said she doesn’t want to be alone with someone who has a history of abuse.
Okay the bigger question is why did Mr. Girl going to lunch with his dad put him in such a position that he wanted his girlfriend to "love" his inner child or else that inner child would get violent?
I gathered that from the way he said it and his clarified low frequency of contact with his father that he may have been abusive toward Max but he probably doesn't want to come out and say that as that would be throwing his father under the bus to justify his own abusive action.
Why is max starting to annoy the fuck out of me? He never says anything, just word salad about how he perceives the conversation. I think the only one who approached this convo in bad faith is him.
@@benny399 “stupid” isn’t really accurate enough for what I mean. Just because Vaush sounds like a douchebag all the time doesn’t mean I can’t use “obtuse.”
"I punched my ex in the face once, very lightly. It's cuz my Dad wanted to go to dinner" " I'm not sure I would feel safe in the same room with you." "I think you're being dishonest." What an absolute Chad.
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p there’s this odd trend of assuming that everyone who works with technology can’t understand why humans keep promises, avoid lying, and love their girlfriend. I agree that there’s a lot of “autistic escapists,” but Destiny built a lot of social infrastructures from the ground up, so it’s not the same as a mute loner who codes all day.
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p His job isn't normal, but I still disagree. I don't think having an abnormal job disqualifies him automatically. While jobs take up allot of time, they shouldn't affect your personality and how you interact with people. If they do, I don't think you had a very distinct or well fleshed out personality to begin with.
It’s kind of bizarre to me that DGG seems evenly split on Brittany vs MrGirl when, honestly, she just sounds like a slightly woo-woo normie while he’s actively engaging with her like she’s a “dishonest”, “Nazi” “cult leader”… during a conversation that largely centered around MrGirl being hella vague about if it was bad to hit his girlfriend.
Who the hell knows, i agree with Destiny the incels are way too crazy right now when you add then with the Mr girls fans you get this crazy hate spam, Max could talk about how he killed his cat with Brittany and they would still be commenting how she is crazy and a cult leader.
Yeah it is a bit weird. Especially the part where its normal for us to have urges of hitting our significant others. I personally have never in any of my relationships wanted to do such a thing, especially over whatever trivial shit Max was half rememberhing.
@@luisgonzaga9286 I don’t even think of Max as being “crazy”, but I think he knows that understanding his points (at least the way he often makes them) requires a lot of good faith from others, so it’s absurd that he of all people is so intensely uncharitable about a girl who talks about “bubbles” and “we’re gay judging today, lol” like bro…
@@Tooncow2 I personally have. When relationships get toxic, you think really awful things. Sue probably thought about hitting me, too. I think I’m Max’s case, he snapped, and everyone is asking him to not snap again, or to validate everyone’s feelings and say he won’t snap again, which is virtue signalling and lying because you don’t actually know if you will be an even worse situation with similar stimuli, that causes you to snap. You don’t snap on purpose. All sense of rationality is gone, you freak out, and then you don’t realize the weight until after. It’s scary, and the society we live in doesn’t really have a space for people to talk about it honestly. There HAS to be outage, which is making it difficult to talk about. His point is also that anyone can be in that situation given the right conditions and stimuli. You’d need to make an argument there is something inherently different about people who do think about hitting their partners, and people that don’t. He’s saying it’s a spectrum, and that all of us are capable of it.
The conversation boils down to (just like every mrGirl coversation) "If i were in the same situation again, i would hit my girl again, and everyone else is exactly like me, and no matter how often people tell me they are not like that, and that i am unhinged, I will believe that they are lying to me or themselves". Its so tiring to listen to him go through this pattern on every subject.
I don’t believe Max phrases it like that. What makes wants people to understand is that we are far more alike to the “monsters” of society than we think, and that most people virtue signal and lie about things to make them seem even less like those monsters. Now while Max is overly provocative and a little uncharitable in his conversations, he’s exactly right on that point. It’s why it was a little ironic when Brittany said she and women are “not attracted to 14 year old boys.” Even Destiny giggled at it.
01:02:19 is a prime example of a coping mechanism, manipulation or both. Brittany consistently reframes via sexuality and it makes any conversation breakdown because adequately calling someone's sexuality into question is very difficult.
@Clint Smith if its a coping mechanism, she's not a coward because it's not deliberate. If it's manipulation, she's not a coward, she's a manipulator. If it's both, then yes she's a coward because she's recognising that she's having a mechanistic response and despite that choosing to manipulate. Either way, Mr. Girl should assume the worst because the effect of what she's doing is so potent and its a trend.
@@dreamspeakhomie Mr. Girls 3 options are: You're unhinged/dumb, you don't know what you're doing and what you're doing is manipulative. You're a manipulator. You're unhinged and a manipulator. His safest bet is to directly accuse her of being a manipulator. The first gives her an out, the third is near impossible to prove.
@@khalidpatterson1422 For me she comes off as very condescending. I'm put off by how seemingly proud she is of this cacamamie Tier system she's come up with. Basically it boils down to I get the sense she thinks her shit doesn't stink. On stream she carries herself like she's very accepting, but also has a very judgemental tone.
i guess the real thing for me tryna bridge Brittany's views to Max's is that it feels worthless to say you have a value for something if the bar for not abiding by it so low. If you hit someone in the face because of something like meeting your father then it seems like in actuality you don't value not being a spousal abuser that much
It's also hard for a woman to accept being around someone who says that they've hit people before for something that is completely outside of the control of the victim in that scenario. Like, my mom has PTSD, so perhaps I have a better handle on it than others, but if you have PTSD a big, big, BIG thing for you is figuring out how to control your environment to prevent the trauma from occurring again - for example, my mom doesn't take showers when people are awake, she always has to have a bed that's near the exit, she's an incredibly light sleeper and will jump if someone is behind her when she's not expecting it. All that PTSD means is that the sense of hyper-alert that you had to be in to survive your trauma is extended outside of your traumatic experience and becomes a facet of your day to day life. All this is to say Of. Fucking. COURSE someone with PTSD is going to be uncomfortable around someone who admits to past abuse and for some reason seems insistent of exaggerating it and leaning in to using these taboo topics to make others uncomfortable. When someone is coming to you asking if they'd be safe around you or if they should avoid being your friend they're not the asshole there when you lean in to their discomfort, you are. I get that talking about taboo subjects and making people uncomfortable is Mr Girl's thing, and it's generally cool and interesting, but Jesus, there's a time and a place and you have to have some awareness of your social environment and your place within it, when you refuse to do that that isn't the other person being a snake or trying to get you, that's someone with a history of PTSD that is feeling like you're unpredictable and unsafe and is literally searching for a reason to write off their concerns as unjustified as you autistically refuse to capitulate. If you want to do that, fine, but don't act like it's the other person being an asshole, then. /end of schizo rant
I thought she had never been in an abusive relationship...I hear him saying that he has the self control to not his girlfriend when he used to not why is that problem?...if she cant recognize those emotions in herself it's probably why it took a week to realize she was mad
Looking from the outside in is so hilarious - as someone who has problems with the both of them it’s just funny to see the divide in the comments. Guess it means that this community keeps itself honest lol
It's really odd that youtube chat is on Brittany's side and DGG chat is on Mrgirl's side. I used to super like Max and I still watch his videos but goddamn he is so confidently wrong and it pisses me off so much.
@@Pharomid My irritation with Brittany is that I can't really tell how she feels about anything - everything she says feels like nothing speak. It's like punching water. You know that something's there, and there's a tactile sensation to indicate that there's something there, but it's just amorphous enough to steal the catharsis of knowing that its there. My problem with Max is that he tends to either neglect or outright reject optics in the name of being radically honest. I agree with a lot of what he says, and I agree with his critiques of Brittany, but sometimes he's just mind numbingly autistic about it, it drives me insane. He puts himself in corners that he just doesn't need to be in imo. But I guess he kind of wants to be in those corners anyways. edit: also its not that odd, seeing as she's spoken to Aba and Preach before. She's been around a LONG time, and that's coming from someone who followed Aba and Preach since they were at 25k subs.
@@Pharomid when Max says something like "I think you identify with these 1's and you are out to prove you're not a 1 because your family made you feel like you were a useless burden at times when you were falling apart" about Brittany, do you think that this is an inaccurate assessment of what is influencing her behavior?
@catdogbark the problem with max is that he thinks he is extremely self away and thinks he knows way more than others. Such an extremely unhealthy person probably can't guess what most average people are thinking I don't think most of the world is as unhealthy as Mr girl so his view of others is extremely skewed. I still enjoy watching him but fuck he is insane sometimes lol.
@catdogbark I get what you're saying i think. You can be honest and transparent in your communication of yourself but that doesn't mean you're self aware necessarily because you might be seeing a distorted or limited version of yourself and reflecting that as truth because you honestly believe it is. So honest doesn't mean self aware always.
Honestly I'm getting very frustrated at Mr. Girl he just kinda dodges everything attacks everyone but then plays the victim when other people poke at his way of thinking
I fell like in the whole Conversation they do Acknowledge that People can do a whole lot of things differently, but never really Formulate or speak of the Fact that People have different Levels of Aggression that don't even have to be problematic but can still vary Greatly. So things some might consider Normal would be unthinkable for others, which they in some categories bring up and affirm, but they just dont do that for inherent Levels of Aggression, which would in my Opinion be a Factor in the conversation about Domestic Violence
Also avoiding acknowledging that everyone has a different reaction to aggression...my partner and I were both in abusive relationships in the past and hes avoidant to anything that resembles aggression while I meet aggression with yours + everything I can find ...we also had different reactions from police and people around us when everything happened
Destiny called it. They are capable of having a decent back and forth but once again Mr Girl needs to find a way to calm down with the fart sniffing "sherlock holmes/ Autism note" act because it just yeets every conversation into a black hole of tediousness.
I personally feel MrGirl gets offended easily. He's vague/weird as fuck, and acts surprised when people don't understand what he is horribly communicating. He also is bad at reading and interpreting others, so I don't understand why he thinks psychology is something he's well versed in. I feel he would find way more happiness through pursuing something else that interests him.
@@b0bbyGG She likes his content too, but it isn't a great representation of a sane and well-balanced human being. Why is MrGirl claiming that she's doing some big-brain double bind takedown of a public image that he voluntarily defaced, and then saying he cares? He didn't give a particularly compelling answer, or an answer at all really. So it's down to forced drama, spite, or MrGirl legitimately thinks she can somehow paint him as more dangerous than he has, himself, voluntarily, with his own inflammatory rhetoric and presentation.
@@b0bbyGG Show any of MrGirls content, full context, to a normie and they would flat out disagree with him and misunderstand his point because he is terrible at wording and explaining his thoughts, despite his ideas being interesting and worth exploring. He's his own worst enemy.
Looking back at this conversation, I think Max's theory on Brittany is 100% correct. She was hurt from their initial conversation and came back to drag Max through the mud in this conversation, then plays dumb when called out for it. Similarly, she did the same thing to Destiny after their rape convo disagreement. She truly is a vile person.
“Humans gonna human” becomes increasingly more curious of a nonstarter and cope, the more I think about it. It sounds like “boys will be boys” is unironically in her repertoire 🧐
“Fair’s fair.” “Rules are rules” Like Jerry Seinfeld once joked, people say these things because they sound like strong and true statements when they don’t really say much about anything.
Thought terminating cliché gonna terminate thoughts. It’s basically just the “It is what it is” statement. Just as tautological as well; when are humans ever not gonna human?
@@Proxya @TheDolphinTuna yup x2. Re: tautological thought-termination, [it] is often effective as a rhetorical device in the moment, yet raises many meta thoughts and opens the door for new cross examination with increased scrutiny
Yeah when he says his gf would be more jealous of him hitting Brittney and that we should empathise with abusers he kind of ignores the fact they need to commit to change.
I have never wanted to hit my girlfriend of 5 years. We fight, we have issues, but I don't think I've litterally ever had the impulse to act violently to her. Idk how it is for everyone else but it does seem uncommon/rare for me.
Exactly. There’s such a huge difference between the urge to scream and the urge to beat! I’m kinda shocked by MrGirl’s/Destiny’s take on this. For me, getting physical is purely self-defense.
I know you made this comment a year ago but I came here to agree. And same with my kids. I’ve been angry angry angry but never wanted to hurt them or my husband.
Love the "I express remorse" with the most calming voice ever and as it wasn't a big deal. But to be honest regarding this entire discussion I do appreciate anyone who is coming out saying they hit an ex-partner in order to understand the behavior to maybe mitigate the risk of having the same problematic situation coming up in the future.
@@mielipuolisiili7240 The "definition" of snapping is becoming so emotionally unstable (temporarily) that you will say or do things you would never otherwise intend to say or do, often followed by intense guilt or shame at how you acted when you didn't have control. People with genuine anger issues know the feeling well, and you do not have control like you might think. You are no longer rational or reachable. One time I "snapped" and smashed my fucking head into a door jamb 3 times as hard as I could. I think if I had full, rational control of myself in that moment I would have chosen not to do that.
Ya... max made this entire conversation pointless. What a joke. Just treat people like people and talk to him. Max was in his own world this entire conversation. So much trauma in that crazy mind lol.
Really convoluted way to talk about this. He can identify the capacity for violence and was honest about what happened to cause him to do it. But he didn't demonstrate that he has identified anything other than that - he didn't demonstrate that he feels it's wrong, he doesn't demonstrate that he did further self-inquiry into himself other than that. No realisations, no further exploration.
@@NudeSophist ok. So how do you prevent it? By controlling your anger lmao. He knew seeing his dad upsets him. REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE SITUATION. funny he never mentions this or any anger management. If you know something going to anger you and you willing to be extremely violent and you accept that, its your responsibility to learn to curb your actions. Ah but mrgirl considers that type of stuff repression. All he is doing is helping abusers lol
Man, I have had enough of NSE and MrGirl these past few weeks. Both of these people are completely insufferable, regardless of how “quirky” they might come across as on first listen.
36:50 "You know what sick about this? If I changed the circumstances of the situation entirely then it wouldn't have been so bad for me to hit someone" - Mr. Girl Uhhhh... yeah? No shit
This all seemed a bit weird, driven far enough (and who knows if either Brittany or Destiny have been, I suspect you probably need a domestic physical abuser in this conversation to give the other perspective) who knows exactly what a person will do, and in many ways given the physical distance, I doubt many people get a chance to test a boundary to the extremes that mrgirl has. The buffering we have in the modern world often serves as a barrier of sorts, leading to de-escalation as a natural consequence (I think) Given mrgirl's history, it is more linked to emotional closeness and direct relationships than that necessarily of friends or even internet associations. So I see slurs in gaming as not really being comparable, and Brittany is not in that kind of relationship with mrgirl. I think this is a difference in heuristics, which she is struggling to grasp, for whatever reason. The boundaries, 'magic circles', compartmentalization, etc that exist with in sort people are different... The aspects of play that Brittany sees in the world may not be there with another person (like mrgirl) The physical threat for actions of overstepping boundaries, lack of acknowledgement, etc may not be something that is easily recognised. And I think sometimes when it comes to conversations, there are limits... People use the weapons and advantages over others...even if these are words. Risk of escalation will temper conversation, but also prevent some people from overstepping the boundaries. Mrgirl is a very minor version of these individuals whose escalation can result in the physical harm of others, but that is something you need to have experienced to really understand. Underneath some people is a violent animal that will hurt you...
i don't agree with you or mr girl, i was very violent when young, like physically beating others kids when i was attacked either by words or force, but never once in my life i hit a woman even when i was young, even when a woman was hitting me i didn't fight back, cause i was taught that way and i firmly believe it is wrong to hit a woman, even when i was angry at girls i never thought of hitting them. I was in the extreme and i still didn't lashed out and went against my beliefs, you are not everyone and everyone isn't you.
Brittany was just trying to get back at MrGirl for the last debate lol. Tried spinning his whole video into something that it wasn't(even though she watched the whole fn video). Both in the end ended up trying to win whatever the debate weirdly morphed into it seems. edit : okay I wasn't done watching the video and mrgirl just called her out on exactly this lmfao
The question they’re missing here (I haven’t finished the video yet but I’m at 53:35 so far and I think what they need to ask if WHAT CHANGES has Max made? Rather than has Max changed? If he says yes or he doesn’t know, well…hasn’t he changed anything at all and if so what?
It seems to come down to the value of reassurance in the face of known capacity. If the first action happened as a result of a snap then it wasn't an intentional act. Therefore what meaningful reassurance can he give you It wont happen again. You feel 'safe' around almost anyone on a daily basis at only their assumed word, its only after knowing of the capacity that you feel you require it.
The disconnect is that he acts insulted at the idea that people will act in a way directly based on the knowledge of his (lack of) limitations. Of course they will. This seems like a lot of roundabout nonsense, until you realize that the actual point of contention is his borderline schizophrenic tendency to mindread, resulting in an assumed attempt at manipulation from the start. He doesn't bother honestly addressing the argument, since he thinks the argument isn't being put forth in good faith in the first place. Going in circles. It must be exhausting.
In their second talk, Brittany confronts MrGirl about his past moderated by Destiny
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Save Shaelin
@@wisemage0 that girl must have such low self-esteem.
Brittany just keeps winning these lol, I might sign up for her cult at this pace.
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MrGirl is the uncanny valley for human conversation.
True!
@Clint Smith eh.
@Clint Smith I would say Brittany's style is way more common than Mr. Girl's
@Clint Smith ok her as a person is way more common than mr girl
@Clint Smith dog you need to get out more
Man Destiny seems so fucking normal in comparison to these folks
that's why he talks to them so much and spends so much effort trying to make their opinions seem more nuanced and reasoned than they are lol
I legit don't think it's the slightest bit weird that a woman with PTSD would be unnerved by someone who has a history of violence against women and autistically calls that women's concerns virtue signaling. That is literally the most online shit I've ever heard.
99% of women are going to be made uncomfortable by Mr Girl when he does shit like this, lmao. The only thing that was at all weird from Brittany imo is her sexual forwardness, but she also backpedaled that after she realized that she was responding to Mr Girls autistic inability to communicate attraction or a lackthereof, lmao.
fr 😭😭😭 he's fluent in Mr. Girl and Brittany
I think in terms of his views on the world, Destiny is fairly normal. Only thing that comes to mind is his abnormally high confidence and low level of empathy.
Amazin'
Mr Girl: "you are not special enough for me to hit you"
Brittany: "stop flirting"
Man Destiny killing it as a moderator not just a debater
@James Combs A mod for what?
@James Combs no shit
a masterclass
elite moderating skills
after watching those three, i think i am mentally healthy. that narcissism goddamn.
The mental state of these two (and the weird meta values they hold) SURELY cant be an accurate representation of any significant portion of our population.
@@Benshooman dude youd be surprised
@@Benshooman I work in investment banking, so maybe I'm biased. It's 90% of people I encounter.
Edit: maybe more. There's one normal person and one half normal person.
Does Mr Girl possess a valid human consciousness? Will he pass the final exam of the Turing test? These are the topics I imagine during these conversations.
I imagined the first half of your comment being read in the DBZ narrator voice at the end of episodes.
@@ThePigeStrangler I’m mad he didn’t end with “we’ll see next time on Destiny Ball Z”
@@drunkenknight My Fucking thoughts exactly!!!!
@@ThePigeStrangler Bro, I was actually so disappointed it didn't end with "find out next time, on Dragonball Z".
@@ThePigeStrangler SAME
MrGirl's defensiveness and contrarianism is a perfect yin to Brittany's condescension and histrionic BPD yang. That is, if you want an infuriatingly meaningless but entertaining conversation, which is the bedrock of schizowatching
Yo Brittany is a historian??
I challenge anyone to not eventually get condescending when interacting with Mr Girl. He’s obtuse as fuck. Seems intelligent but can’t not be edgy.
Jesus Christ that's a good way to describe this.
I would add that there's a seething rage, beneath mr. Girls defensiveness. Brittany seems to inflame his narcissistic wound, which he blames her for.
Please use a few more big words to make yourself look like an intellectual.
This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
This brings me joy and contentment. Top tier schizo posting panels.
And we all know who is who
I feel like it’s more along the lines of a directionless force and an object that can comfortably move in any direction….
@@perfectlyaverageplayer7073 You could even say it was destined to be. heh
I laughed
I’m here for these 2 whenever they interact because the very clear disconnects are quite enjoyable to watch.
I really dislike MrGirl now. I thought he was interesting but I am getting extremely annoyed at his judgments about people. There is no conversation happening it is just assumptions and judgments.
I've been feeling this as well. I feel like Mr. Girl already has his mind made up before the convo & is aware of that behavior. It's like he's choosing to be an asshole
I would kill for a weekly podcast with these three.
What a sub level 2 thing to say
I would kill to stop the creation of another mediocre and useless podcast that's only fueled by the sheer obnoxiousness of the hosts. Oh God please rather give me another podcast of talentless boring comedians, who talk about their "craft".
Pretty sure they'd kill eachother first.
Dawg... Brittany... Is boring asf. Why would you want to sit down and listen to that? It's not even tolerable white noise. God, you people are strange.
Please no. NSE and MrGirl are insufferable and I can’t wait for this arc to end
The immovable sociopath meets the unstoppable empath: round 2
The twist is that theyre both pretending to be the opposite
@@themodmancarl Please don't tell me you believe MrGirl is more empathetic lol. Didnt he also said he tested high on the narcissism scale?. To me it's obvious
@@honeynmilk00 yea hes a 5 ascended empath god and brittanys a solid 1, 2 on a good day. 1s like you wouldnt get it
@@themodmancarl Hey! Are you calling your master a 5??! He said he was a 6 and you dare contradict him?. I hope you don't get thrown out of the not at all a cult. Maybe try rectifying this by making a reddit post of how unbelievably honest, transparent and self aware MrGirl is and how noone understands his rare talent.
@@honeynmilk00 i dare them to kick me out. Im the only ascended 7 in the cult. I dose the kool aid, im the one who knocks 😎
this was god-tier content. absolutely loved it
46:36 "Sounds like you're a saint in a sea of rapist abusers, defending yourself" comedy gold right there
😂The silence that ensued paired with destiny trying to not laugh I lost my shit
Honestly didn't see the comedy in it. Just sounded like he was butt mad at someone countering his simple thoughts.
@@onionfarmer3044 It wasn't a counter at all. It was a failed attempt at appearing vulnerable like Steve and Max did before she showed up.
@@wisemage0 He is definitely mad....
@@onionfarmer3044how did you not understand his point? He made a video about this weird and complex situation of domestic abuse where it was wrong but you also admit you are wrong but find some justification- and Brittany is asking “as I am a rape victim and I pushed a guy trying to RAPE me. Am I abusive?” This is not a counter to anything because there is only 1 answer- nothing about her story is nuanced. Max even days before she tells her story that it’s “probably gonna be a story where you are justified in the hitting.”
Mr Girl is so needlessly difficult, he goes out of his way to misunderstand and be misunderstood.
He’s UTTERLY manipulative. And hugely smugly so.
And that's why we love him so.
@@Aaron-rw3lv baseless accusations of Nazi sex cults sounds a lot like virtue signaling to me
@@Aaron-rw3lv he was trying to signal that she is bad and he is good after being nothing but difficult and needlessly aggressive during their conversation
@@Aaron-rw3lv ????
21:45 Mr. Girl is wrong here. Guilt is the emotion of breaking one's own values. His example is a perfect example of that
Steve is good at soothing Max and explaining to him how human beings think.
I've never come across a person who I agreed more with about self love, who was more astonishingly unlikable. Max is such a disagreeable curmudgeon.
Might wanna check them Axiom's then BB
What does that unreadable word mean?
English please
Dude is not disagreeable, he is removed from reality. Like in a small bubble where he is the empath and knows better than everyone else.
Where he is "king".
Dude literally gives arguments like "I do it because I was indoctrinated into progressivism." and acknowledges it was like a cult but doesnt even try to improve his perspective.
@@uUuWolf16uUu hes just dumb at speaking and doesnt connect dots when he does speak okay chill lmao
Brittany isn't full of shit, she genuinely does have Borderline Personality Disorder, and it affects her mood. I know it isn't the whole picture, but mrgirl gaslighting her that she wasn't having a Borderline episode is gaslighting bullshit. mrgirl truly does live in his own head. If I were Brittany, I would just ignore him and not let him get to me.
I feel like every time I listen to Max I like him less. It's so obvious what she's trying to say when she says they're speaking different languages. It just means they're missing each other because neither one is able to fully communicate what the other is intending to say. A person who speaks Finnish isn't stupid for speaking a different language than me. Only a dishonest person or someone so clouded by their own biases would automatically make that leap.
I’m so thankful for this comment. This comment section is making me understand why other communities have issues with us.
@@isaiahpatton5558 being here for entertainment first and foremost and not being a fan of either of them, this shapes up to be my favourite arc if it goes on a little longer, comment sections explicitly included.
Max doesn't agree that they are speaking different languages. If he's being honest here, his main problem is that he perceives the entire conversation bad faith either due to their offline chats or specific things she's said on her past streams/their past conversations. This is why he sees their interactions as a game.
Thank you. I unfollowed him recently. Some of the stuff he says is great, but he comes off as the stereotypical edgy psychology kid that says things in a certain way, to get you to respond in a certain way, so that he can correct you and feel superior. I also think he’s way more conservative than he lets on.
He thinks she's being dishonest, it's not that difficult guys seriously.
Brittany made it 6 minutes in before mentioning a bubble. I'm proud.
Let's face it, she's in a bubble bubble.
“Just asking questions” is the new “just following orders”.
Three aliens pretend to be human for 1hr20mins
One human trying to fit in between two aliens of different species.
Brittany says she's a level 5, but in terms of levels of introspection both Destiny and Max seem far more introspective and honest about how they actually feel about the things they experience than her. Both Destiny and Max are willing to concede that there are times where the urge to be physically abusive arrives, but Brittany completely disassociates with such an idea and acts like she could never do such a thing, when in reality any introspective individual knows that extreme emotional outbursts are impossible to know and determine with certainty.
It bothers the hell out of me because there's no actual consistent way to measure someone's "level" so it always just reduces to whatever Brittany feels like your level is at that given moment, lmao.
Huh? Destiny also said he would never do such a thing, unless it was in self-defense, or to protect a loved one.
Destiny's actual honesty, is different than Max's faux honesty.
Eh, I disagree, I think people can have different inclinations. Even when I'm triggered as fuck I never feel the urge to hurt other people--I feel the urge to self-harm instead. Like, when I'm pushed to my snapping point, I have literally smashed my head into walls or punched myself. I think Brittany is probably the same.
It's just different brains. I've talked to some people who also self-harm or feel the urge, and others for whom that feeling is alien... Like they say no matter how fucked up they get, they could never cause themselves physical pain.
I think it's related to whether we internalize or externalize negative emotions.
She doesn't know that there is a 6th level. I know because I am a 6. It's when you realise that introspection is not quantifiable on a stupid 1-5 system, as if it's a star rating on a yelp review.
Being outwardly honest isn't a reflection of how introspective someone is.
Does Brittany think most people don’t see through her “bubbly” facade. She’s trying to come across as a little ray of sunshine but she’s actually quite conniving.
Destiny misunderstands the point about it not being normal to want to punch your girlfriend. He used the example of wanting to kill his own kid, but obviously that's not a true desire he has. With MrGirl, he actually wants to punch his girlfriend, and he is probably actively struggling to keep himself from doing so. That is a fundamentally different type of anger than the anger Destiny is referring to. Destiny doesn't have to keep himself from not killing his kid, like he said "I would never do that". Of course, because it's not a genuine desire.
With Mr Girl, he obviously will do that at some point, as he did in the past. It's not like a kind of anger where he knows he will "Never do that", it's a kind of anger where he might actually do it, and he keeps himself from doing it, which means that when he snaps, he actually does it.
There is no "snapping" in the case Destiny described. The kind of anger Mr Girl is talking about is not the common kind Destiny is trying to conflate it with.
Imagine missing the point this hard. The reason MrGirl punched his ex and why he argues people generally get violent in relationships, is because their needs aren’t being met and violence is a tool to get those needs met. The desire isn’t the violence itself, it’s having your needs met. Please check yourself for brain damage.
I feel like the excuse of "snapping" is lazy. There have been plenty of times where I snapped, but each time I reeled myself in before anything was said or done that could have been used against me. Also, maybe I am not understanding his point, but wouldn't you want to distant or get rid of your abusive self rather than covet and love it?
If he is actively working to keep himself from doing so it sounds like he is doing everything he should be doing.
"With Mr Girl, he obviously will do that at some point, as he did in the past."
I mean, no, the past does not 100% dictate the future. You can argue he may be more likely but you can't say definitively, and if he is more likely it's good he is taking steps to resolve the issue.
@@danhill3302 Well see that is the thing isn't it. The way he is saying it, to me it sounds like if it gets to the point again that he snaps with his current GF, that he would punch her. Pretty sure he made that clear in the beginning of the video
@@synlion If you think people "generally get violent" when their emotional needs are not met, you are fundamentally abnormal. There is no brain doctor for that (at least unless you've acted on it), but counseling can help avert the worst.
MrGirl is in therapy for a reason. I'm not even saying that as a gotcha, I don't share the pessimism that MrGirl will abuse again, it seems to be doing a good amount of work for him. At the same time, he clearly started therapy on the foundation where he recognized that he was the one with a problem, regardless of what he imagines that problem to be.
Pay little attention to the smoke and mirrors after that.
Edit: Destiny sums it up super well at 1:09:20
I think Max’ story is trying to stop these social stigmas, and how we don’t admit to common human feelings but we don’t admit to it because it is immediately taken to extremes and now that person is a “bad and dangerous” person that went way outside the norms. I think the issue is most people are so hyperbolic and are so quick to excuse their behavior that getting a baseline or an accurate read on a person has become impossible. Also, he doesn’t want to say he won’t do hit a partner again, it was a one time thing, but he believes that’s part of the problem because no one can really predict whether they may have a complete mental break to the extreme. He also isn’t trying to frame it as an excuse or it wasn’t a big deal, but at the same time, how do you normalize a one time event? It was also a one time event that out of his entire life, in a situation where he was feeling dejected and stressed from the having to go to lunch with his father. He’s assuming people will be able to recognize the nuance between the extremes and that humans present themselves in these social norms that we automatically assume that the person is using those norms to contextualize the situation. How can he Buck the social norms if he’s using those norms in his own language?
It’s a frustrating conversation to have, because everyone is always falling back on those norms to make themselves look better. He doesn’t want to do that, and he expects better of Brittany because he assumes she’s adept enough to understand and she’s flip flopping for optics. He doesn’t want to play the optics game.
It’s super frustrating, but I don’t know a better way to have that conversation because the majority of people are never going shed that social shield unless it’s like s family member or something.
Max is playing a different version of the Optics game.
@@alex-qd6of I don’t think so. I think Max is pushing back, by saying Brittany is playing in to the social norms she herself speaks out against by framing his story in the context of him adhering to those social norms when he explicitly set out to do the opposite.
I mean obviously there’s a bit of back and forth banter and sarcastic quips, but by her framing it as this story makes her feel like Max appears “unsafe” because he could just randomly snap and beat his girlfriend means she either isn’t as deep as she says or she is being a bit hypocritical and falling back on optics.
@@magicmark3309 bingo!
@@cosettapessa6417 but is that also optics? I guess in a way, he is worried he’s being optically misrepresented.
So I hadn’t finished when I first posted, but I think Brittany just betrayed she’s not a level 5, because Destiny is correct that the average women would not take MrGirl very well after his domestic abuse video, but Brittany is claiming she’s definitely NOT the average girl. This is where the big issue is. Either she’s not as high level as she presents herself, or she’s playing both sides for the sake of optics.
There could be other factors or conversations that change this dichotomy, but I’m going off of what I’ve seen. Her saying women don’t find 14 year old boys attractive at the end there…makes me feel like maybe she’s not as in touch with things as she thinks. Like, she could’ve abstracted destiny’s analogy but she kinda zoned in on the wrong point entirely. Which really makes me wonder what she is honestly thinking. I might have said otherwise if she had brought up that maybe she has some kind of prior abuse that triggers her to question whether MrGirl is really trying to downplay his outbursts and he’s actually not safe to be around because he thinks it’s normal to snap and hit women. But then it’s almost like we’re back to the starting line and we need to question whether they are speaking on the same level.
It’s definitely a head fuck, but I’m pretty sure I am reading MrGirl correctly.
Also I think Destiny did a good job and it’s so dumb people are shitting on him from either side. That’s a hard convo to mediate and bridge just because they are all such strong personalities in general.
Max isn't going to stop anything. He's a generic psuedo guru out of the 1960s that uses word salad to make himself sound smarter than he is. All of his positions are only sensible if you let him neuter every single proprietary definition the man spits out to neuter his language.
Look at how the man defines rape. In his world, all sexual conduct is effectively rape. Rape is non-consensual sexual intercourse.
But in his argument, he redefines the word so that any kind of playful ambiguity is rape, because deep down someone doesn't want to have sex. How does this break down any social stigmas or add anything of substance. Everyone that's not a socially maladjusted shitbird knows that plenty of people like some level of push and pull to their relationships. Everything is still consensual though, because both sides are engaging with the boundaries they've established by their conduct and reciprocal affection.
Even Aba and Preach bring this up multiple times. 2 guys that are comedians first are able to engage with the concept of rape in a more honest way than Max, and are able to communicate the ideas in such a way that the average joe can use these ideas in their day to day lives. If you ever applied anything Max says, you'd be sent to prison or shot (depending on where you live).
"Also, he doesn’t want to say he won’t do hit a partner again, it was a one time thing, but he believes that’s part of the problem because no one can really predict whether they may have a complete mental break to the extreme. "
What the fuck does this even mean? If you're not confident in yourself to maintain some level of self control around your loved ones, then you shouldn't be around them. I don't care how you "intellectualize" this sort of thing, this is textbook abusive behavior. It sounds like the man is a timebomb, and justifies his own lack of self control with psuedo intellectual bullshit.
The reason he won't commit to saying he won't do it again, is because he knows he's going to do it again. And again. We don't make excuses for people that use this defense when charged with crimes, "I'm sorry, but I might do it again lol". Why are we making excuses for this piece of shit?
"He also isn’t trying to frame it as an excuse or it wasn’t a big deal, but at the same time, how do you normalize a one time event? It was also a one time event that out of his entire life, in a situation where he was feeling dejected and stressed from the having to go to lunch with his father."
'Sorry I assaulted this man officer, I was just really stressed from being around my parents. Please don't hold it against me'
God, you guys are so stupid.
"How can he Buck the social norms if he’s using those norms in his own language? "
How can he buck norms when none of his language persuades anyone to his cause but internet virgins?
i wish they'd go into more like they did at the end about the fundamental problem of how Max sees the world. We all has assumptions about how others mind's work, but he follows it so aggressively that it makes any conversation seem pointless. it also seems fundamentally against his role of empathy, it just feels like aggressive project of his mental state
Mr.Girl is as perceptive in this conversation as Coach Red Pill telling Destiny "I've got your number Steven" for an hour. He's so boring.
I legit just think he wants one-way empathy. He wants people to go through the hoops of trying to understand and empathize with him, but he doesn't afford that same understanding toward other people.
Even in his talk with Lauren. He came out the gate attacking her for the migrant boat thing asking her a million questions - if Lauren was Mr Girl in that convo he would say that that was an attack and an intentional effort to turn the audience against him. He also literally did the same thing with Brittany in their first convo talking about her statement on 1's. I have no issue with someone offering pushback or having hard conversations, but you can't do that and then not even act like, but literally, unironically say that the other person is Hitler for it.
I really, really liked Mr Girl at the beginning, but I think I just had a bad read on him and his goals. He wants to be understood, but doesn't seek to understand, and so he ends up demanding empathy for others while providing none himself.
@@thequeenundisputed I agree. He felt misunderstood in the beginning, but the deeper you dig, the more you realize he’s really incapable of understanding his own flaws.
Man all the comments in this thread are spot on. Its a shame Brittany apologised rather then went for the attack. (although the Jewish comments were uncomfortable)
Its funny because in this case Max is totally right, he just can't articulate it because it's mostly nonverbal cues. Brittney wants to come off as someone who doesn't get mad or doesn't see conversations in terms of wins or losses but EVERY single time she's pressed on that topic, she gets passionate in a way she otherwise never gets, making it clear she really does feel that way. These are her real thoughts: th-cam.com/video/RGkdvfymz0c/w-d-xo.html
Really liked this MrGirl Brittany convo more than the last. Having Destiny there saved the conversation a handful of times.
wow steve is fluent in their respective dialects
Mr. Girl became a hypocrite the moment he said his video's purpose was to connect with more people about the topic of domestic violence.
He admitted that he chose a presentation that would upset most normal people and would actually make them more skeptical towards his opinion on the topic, but he doesn't care. Because he only cares about making people as uncomfortable as possible by turning social conventions upside-down.
This is apparent, as Destiny pointed out, in his previous conversation with Brittany where he would discard any topic that didn't give him a good angle of attack on her and immediately tried out a diffent way to catch her off-guard with an even more disrespectful accuse.
He just gets off on forcing his autistic view of social interaction on others until they submit to it or get so uncomfortable they give up. It's just ego stroking, which still makes him very entertaining, but not really much of an interesting person as he might have seemed before.
Agree with everything but would characterise him as sociopathetic vs autistic. I’m autistic and most of us aren’t manipulative like this and don’t enjoy making others uncomfortable.
I've met chaps like him. He just wants to control every conversation/interaction because he likes feeling like a mastermind. I think he has main character syndrome.
This is the third video with Mr. Girl I've watched and I think you pinpointed what I really don't like about him. He makes a huge deal about being honest to a fault, but his approach to the conversation really doesn't seem honest at all. I haven't seen him go into a conversation wanting to hear another perspective, but instead walks in with his own dodged views not only on his own opinions, but on his opponents motives and views (I watched his video with Erudite and he was ascribing opinions to her that she had expressly disavowed just minutes earlier). Then the whole conversation is nothing but a powerplay from his perspective, because he knows everything there is to know and can't be convinced, so why have an honest discussion when he can focus on winning the argument instead? And at least in this and the Erudite video I watched he's often blatantly wrong (in the motivations he gives his opponent) and somehow blissfully unaware of that.
Then again, he seemed to respect Destiny here, so maybe it's just the videos I've seen.
LOL at 1:14:00. She’s been seething about that conversation for a long time and this whole conversation absolutely boils down to smile, act friendly and turn the tables on Max and try to pin him on some weird thing about him not being a ‘safe’ person. She’s too smart to come away from the hitting video with this weird take that she won’t be safe just being in a room with him.
Holy fuck. She’s lying or she’s been driven mad to the point where she says she feels like she came out on top in the conversation about her being a cult leader. Literally her reply to the accusations over and over was ‘ok I know that it looks like a cult but, trust me, it’s just not.’ That’s all she said. I don’t follow the subreddits to say for sure but I’m pretty sure she’s been getting a lot of heat over all that. What a wild twist at the end here. Glad mrgirl pointed out the revenge angle that’s lurking just under the surface for the first chapter of this talk. In a way, her reaction to the accusation about malice gives credence to it being true. She oversells the denial by claiming not only is she not being malicious, she WON the previous conversation so she doesn’t even need to go after him.
It’s like a switch flipped in the moment she was accused of having malicious intent and suddenly we see the real Brittany (or at least the closest to real someone with BPD can be).
Mr girl looked batshit insane in that last debate, but to be fair, Mr girl is actually crazy.
@@lillburtlonk3721 Stop. You are just falling back on Mr girl being batshit insane cause it's easy to say that given the rest of his content. There's no way you could actually listen to that initial conversation and think he was batshit insane. He pinpointed a psychological problem that Brittany had within 5 minutes of interacting with her and it bothered the shit out of her because it was so clearly accurate, not just to her but also to anyone caring to listen. She also had a hard time hearing it because her whole shtick is that she understands herself and other people better than most people (she gets paid money on the basis that people think this about her) and mr girl was able to accurately identify something about her that she wasn't acknowledging. It was the textbook version of what a good therapist would have told her. That's why she hasn't been able to let this go or talk or think about anything else since they spoke to each other.
@@gskills55 ok bud
@@lillburtlonk3721 totally dude
I think fundamentally both Brittany and Destiny miss what Mr. Girl is trying to say when he makes the case that 'anyone can snap' because for all intents and purposes he's right. We can rationalize all sorts of things in our minds *before* we snap, saying "Oh even if you pushed me to the absolute brink, pushed me as close to the edge as you could or even beyond I would never X, Y, and Z" but we have countless cases of men and women snapping and killing their partners or their children all of whom undoubtedly held the same positions, that no matter how far you pushed them, they'd never resort to violence.
You can't rationalize what you would or wouldn't do if you snapped because 'snapping' inherently is irational. Everyone has the capacity for violence if you push them enough. If all Destiny did was call someone the F word when he snapped, then, ARGUABLY, he didn't snap hard enough.
Exactly. Some people even lose their entire sense of self permanently. Being honest about the unknowability of the future is just basic, yet seemingly beyond the reach of so many.
He had a valid point there... But Mr. Girl was coming across very obtuse the whole video. He seems quite annoying to talk to.
Also are those cases snapping or having a true mental breakdown and blacking out? Example Chris Benoit was a true mental break all together right...But Max snap was an emotional response to stress of impending dinner with his father, and his girlfriend not paying attention. Snapping is used in the sense of momentary lapse in judgement. This whole thing is going to be word definition as each party understands them and relaying that. Max kind of lacks connecting to how somebody else understands what snapped means. And his monotone makes it quite difficult to decipher wheen he is serious or not.
This 100%.
Which is meaningless insight because the point is that, inARGUABLY, most people "don't snap hard enough" in normal conditions - let alone because proximity to their dad is stressing them out.
When you describe "snapping and murdering their partners and children," that is an outlier usually foundered in exceptional circumstances. Likewise, an enormous chunk of the human population has experienced similar circumstances throughout history and, when in those conditions, did not murder or harm their loved ones in any way.
Look at the much broader domestic abuse, it's not a "normal" reaction to even extreme stress either: if you take a hundred couples and put them in a room, between 2 and 6 will have abuse that year, and every year you re-convene, the couples that are abusive will remain roughly the same, because it is the people that are exceptional as much as their circumstances. Alcoholism is highly correlated with new domestic violence, otherwise it is mostly down to intrinsic or longitudinal factors. Longitudinal factors that represent extreme stresses, like lower education or financial insecurity, have pretty strong sway, but even in the poorest and least educated groups the rate of domestic violence is under 5%.
If you ask if any of them have had past domestic abuse over their entire lifetime, you'll average between 10 and 14 people out of the 100 couples. That estimate is including verbal abuse, financial abuse, etc., not limited to raw violence as some might imagine.
With the most permissive definitions, you have 2.5% of people as current or potential domestic abusers (5% if you're going to discount women perpetration and conflate the numbers). 2.5%-5% isn't exceptional (not on the scale of 0.05% family murderers) but it is not "normal." For a quick reference, try asking a redhead in the US how they are treated when they go to a state or town with fewer redheads and if they feel like that's "normal."
Even when acting irrationally or pushed to the brink, these actions are fringe. This is important to understand, because human capacity for violence is overwhelmingly HIGHER when behaving rationally. That was the entire lesson of the Milgram experiments which certain people actively misunderstand as a lesson on moral ambiguity.
It is equally reductive and ridiculous to assume that when under extreme stress every human's first response is to go reach for a machete. MrGirl is conflating this (presupposed) capacity for violence with an active tendency for violence because he does not like the idea of admitting that he has abnormal tendencies that other people do not have, in-general, which is a double fault.
I got to say that these conversations between you two are fascinating. Really good content
MrGirl seems annoying as hell to have a conversation with. He has an irrational idea of what he thinks he's doing and who he is.
@No One no because he keeps reaffirming what I'm saying in almost every video I watch of his.
@No One Did u give him your money on patreon? 😂
I've never seen max answer a question in my entire life
Damn I guess the timestamps are a thing of the past. They were so convenient, especially since so many of Destiny's videos are debates that are long af
I realized this just yesterday, very disappointing
Apparently its some dumb tech issue.
Is it? bc a metric thing could also explain this
Yeeah, as a hardcore fan of Stephen's, a recent fan of Britney's, an often frustrated viewer but not hater of Max's (when he has people challenge him, especially women, he pouts and gets 12 year old boy sullen and acts outrageously disingenuously, like today)...
I call unequivocal bullshit on Max in this. Denying exact statements he made (Stephen called him on one in this one), then trying to weasel out of it when they're brought up, and more, wowsers.
And, I'd be scared to be alone in a room with him too. He told a story once in a video about how he was with a young woman who thought she knew him, wanted him sexually, and climbed on top of him for her own first time, and their about to be first time together too, herself. So she was really into it.
But then he actually bit Into her ass cheek. Horrified, she looked back at him with "terror on her face" he said. Yeah, so would have I bro! Too far, you think...? Then he said into the camera, in such a disturbing way, he wanted to rape her since she'd recoiled, because that made HIM feel bad about himself. So, logically, he figured, again said disturbingly, that "she was the very DEFINITION of asking for it."
So, I don't blame Britney for getting danger vibes. I get them too.
And, just in case you think it's just that I don't understand out of norm sexual behaviors - This has been a message from your friendly neighborhood BDSM practitioner for going on 28 years now.
I would never be alone in a room with Max, and I guess like mine, Britney's danger instinct is very healthy, good for her. We can watch, listen to, and talk to Max online, but be alone with him in a room? Fuck no, not me. Good for Britney too, since she's taking a hard pass now on that for now.
@@jerrym1218 if you actually hate to say it you can just not say it. You are you are picking up on the fact that some woman, for various reasons usually associated with trauma, seek out toxic partners..
But that’s a weird thing to say to a woman who specifically said she doesn’t want to be alone with someone who has a history of abuse.
All the years of Destiny steel-manning in debates have paid off. His moderation greatly improves conversations.
Arguably he is a far superior moderator to debate. Wish he would run off twitch panels
Okay the bigger question is why did Mr. Girl going to lunch with his dad put him in such a position that he wanted his girlfriend to "love" his inner child or else that inner child would get violent?
I gathered that from the way he said it and his clarified low frequency of contact with his father that he may have been abusive toward Max but he probably doesn't want to come out and say that as that would be throwing his father under the bus to justify his own abusive action.
Why is max starting to annoy the fuck out of me? He never says anything, just word salad about how he perceives the conversation. I think the only one who approached this convo in bad faith is him.
This convo is melting my brain. I feel like they are both just obtuse in opposing/clashing ways.
..... Sigh, was it necessary to use the word "obtuse?"
@@benny399 I'm sorry, It was hard for me to think of a non-ableist way to say exactly what I mean.
@@Kekkai_ No I mean couldn't you have just kept it simple by saying "Stupid" instead? We've had a lot of vaush moments around here buddy😕
@@benny399 is it necessary to correct something that doesn't need to be corrected?
@@benny399 “stupid” isn’t really accurate enough for what I mean. Just because Vaush sounds like a douchebag all the time doesn’t mean I can’t use “obtuse.”
"I punched my ex in the face once, very lightly. It's cuz my Dad wanted to go to dinner"
" I'm not sure I would feel safe in the same room with you."
"I think you're being dishonest."
What an absolute Chad.
Watching this now is so weird, idk why destiny let these people on stream
What a strange call, When destiny's the most in touch with normal behavior, Something is truly wrong with the rest of the group😂
I think destiny is pretty in touch and aware of normal human behaviour
@@boboprime4401 a guy at home all day playing games and getting thousands of dollars is in touch of normal human behaviour?
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p Yes.
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p there’s this odd trend of assuming that everyone who works with technology can’t understand why humans keep promises, avoid lying, and love their girlfriend. I agree that there’s a lot of “autistic escapists,” but Destiny built a lot of social infrastructures from the ground up, so it’s not the same as a mute loner who codes all day.
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p His job isn't normal, but I still disagree. I don't think having an abnormal job disqualifies him automatically. While jobs take up allot of time, they shouldn't affect your personality and how you interact with people. If they do, I don't think you had a very distinct or well fleshed out personality to begin with.
Destiny, I hope you're getting paid overtime to moderate a debate with Mr girl
"Are we gonna be together forever?" Nope! Bye Melina!
It’s kind of bizarre to me that DGG seems evenly split on Brittany vs MrGirl when, honestly, she just sounds like a slightly woo-woo normie while he’s actively engaging with her like she’s a “dishonest”, “Nazi” “cult leader”… during a conversation that largely centered around MrGirl being hella vague about if it was bad to hit his girlfriend.
Who the hell knows, i agree with Destiny the incels are way too crazy right now when you add then with the Mr girls fans you get this crazy hate spam, Max could talk about how he killed his cat with Brittany and they would still be commenting how she is crazy and a cult leader.
Yeah it is a bit weird. Especially the part where its normal for us to have urges of hitting our significant others. I personally have never in any of my relationships wanted to do such a thing, especially over whatever trivial shit Max was half rememberhing.
@@luisgonzaga9286 I don’t even think of Max as being “crazy”, but I think he knows that understanding his points (at least the way he often makes them) requires a lot of good faith from others, so it’s absurd that he of all people is so intensely uncharitable about a girl who talks about “bubbles” and “we’re gay judging today, lol” like bro…
@@Tooncow2 I personally have. When relationships get toxic, you think really awful things. Sue probably thought about hitting me, too.
I think I’m Max’s case, he snapped, and everyone is asking him to not snap again, or to validate everyone’s feelings and say he won’t snap again, which is virtue signalling and lying because you don’t actually know if you will be an even worse situation with similar stimuli, that causes you to snap. You don’t snap on purpose. All sense of rationality is gone, you freak out, and then you don’t realize the weight until after. It’s scary, and the society we live in doesn’t really have a space for people to talk about it honestly. There HAS to be outage, which is making it difficult to talk about.
His point is also that anyone can be in that situation given the right conditions and stimuli. You’d need to make an argument there is something inherently different about people who do think about hitting their partners, and people that don’t. He’s saying it’s a spectrum, and that all of us are capable of it.
@@Euthyphro there are ways to deal with snapping anger. Max dont care tho
Watching this 8 months after, post-all the drama. Wild.
The conversation boils down to (just like every mrGirl coversation) "If i were in the same situation again, i would hit my girl again, and everyone else is exactly like me, and no matter how often people tell me they are not like that, and that i am unhinged, I will believe that they are lying to me or themselves". Its so tiring to listen to him go through this pattern on every subject.
He never said anything like that.
True. It's frustrating to listen to someone so far up their own ass.
I don’t believe Max phrases it like that. What makes wants people to understand is that we are far more alike to the “monsters” of society than we think, and that most people virtue signal and lie about things to make them seem even less like those monsters.
Now while Max is overly provocative and a little uncharitable in his conversations, he’s exactly right on that point. It’s why it was a little ironic when Brittany said she and women are “not attracted to 14 year old boys.” Even Destiny giggled at it.
This is so dumb.
"If I was in the same situation again" is like equating someone on the brink again.
@@DDogg43777 unfortunately for max, he's an aberration and not the norm. Sure every experiences the emotions he does, but not to the same degree.
This was good
And dangerously thought provoking
01:02:19 is a prime example of a coping mechanism, manipulation or both. Brittany consistently reframes via sexuality and it makes any conversation breakdown because adequately calling someone's sexuality into question is very difficult.
The word you are looking for is "psychosis"
@Clint Smith if its a coping mechanism, she's not a coward because it's not deliberate. If it's manipulation, she's not a coward, she's a manipulator. If it's both, then yes she's a coward because she's recognising that she's having a mechanistic response and despite that choosing to manipulate. Either way, Mr. Girl should assume the worst because the effect of what she's doing is so potent and its a trend.
@@standardworkaround yall are already assuming the worst by leaving out all charitable possibilities
@@dreamspeakhomie Mr. Girls 3 options are:
You're unhinged/dumb, you don't know what you're doing and what you're doing is manipulative.
You're a manipulator.
You're unhinged and a manipulator.
His safest bet is to directly accuse her of being a manipulator. The first gives her an out, the third is near impossible to prove.
This circus arc is wild, who knew two people who are unbearable separately would be entertaining together
I want Ana back. This shit is boring.
what makes her so unbearable to you ?
Hit the nail on the head. They're both insufferable on their own
While I don't fully agree with the sentiment, this comment fucking slaps
@@khalidpatterson1422 For me she comes off as very condescending. I'm put off by how seemingly proud she is of this cacamamie Tier system she's come up with.
Basically it boils down to I get the sense she thinks her shit doesn't stink. On stream she carries herself like she's very accepting, but also has a very judgemental tone.
Why does Brittany use the word "bubble" like every other sentence
branding
autism
Mental illness and narrow thinking
It's her entire bit. She realised people have spheres of influence and think that explains everything.
brittany made something she calls "The Levels" it's basically a philosophy on how to observe peoples introspection level.
this trio its the best thing in my whole week
This is the ultimate showdown of ultimate Destiny.
His observations are terrible; he believes he can read people far better than he actually can.
i guess the real thing for me tryna bridge Brittany's views to Max's is that it feels worthless to say you have a value for something if the bar for not abiding by it so low. If you hit someone in the face because of something like meeting your father then it seems like in actuality you don't value not being a spousal abuser that much
It's also hard for a woman to accept being around someone who says that they've hit people before for something that is completely outside of the control of the victim in that scenario. Like, my mom has PTSD, so perhaps I have a better handle on it than others, but if you have PTSD a big, big, BIG thing for you is figuring out how to control your environment to prevent the trauma from occurring again - for example, my mom doesn't take showers when people are awake, she always has to have a bed that's near the exit, she's an incredibly light sleeper and will jump if someone is behind her when she's not expecting it. All that PTSD means is that the sense of hyper-alert that you had to be in to survive your trauma is extended outside of your traumatic experience and becomes a facet of your day to day life.
All this is to say Of. Fucking. COURSE someone with PTSD is going to be uncomfortable around someone who admits to past abuse and for some reason seems insistent of exaggerating it and leaning in to using these taboo topics to make others uncomfortable. When someone is coming to you asking if they'd be safe around you or if they should avoid being your friend they're not the asshole there when you lean in to their discomfort, you are.
I get that talking about taboo subjects and making people uncomfortable is Mr Girl's thing, and it's generally cool and interesting, but Jesus, there's a time and a place and you have to have some awareness of your social environment and your place within it, when you refuse to do that that isn't the other person being a snake or trying to get you, that's someone with a history of PTSD that is feeling like you're unpredictable and unsafe and is literally searching for a reason to write off their concerns as unjustified as you autistically refuse to capitulate. If you want to do that, fine, but don't act like it's the other person being an asshole, then.
/end of schizo rant
I thought she had never been in an abusive relationship...I hear him saying that he has the self control to not his girlfriend when he used to not why is that problem?...if she cant recognize those emotions in herself it's probably why it took a week to realize she was mad
Looking from the outside in is so hilarious - as someone who has problems with the both of them it’s just funny to see the divide in the comments. Guess it means that this community keeps itself honest lol
It's really odd that youtube chat is on Brittany's side and DGG chat is on Mrgirl's side. I used to super like Max and I still watch his videos but goddamn he is so confidently wrong and it pisses me off so much.
@@Pharomid My irritation with Brittany is that I can't really tell how she feels about anything - everything she says feels like nothing speak. It's like punching water. You know that something's there, and there's a tactile sensation to indicate that there's something there, but it's just amorphous enough to steal the catharsis of knowing that its there.
My problem with Max is that he tends to either neglect or outright reject optics in the name of being radically honest. I agree with a lot of what he says, and I agree with his critiques of Brittany, but sometimes he's just mind numbingly autistic about it, it drives me insane. He puts himself in corners that he just doesn't need to be in imo. But I guess he kind of wants to be in those corners anyways.
edit: also its not that odd, seeing as she's spoken to Aba and Preach before. She's been around a LONG time, and that's coming from someone who followed Aba and Preach since they were at 25k subs.
@@Pharomid when Max says something like "I think you identify with these 1's and you are out to prove you're not a 1 because your family made you feel like you were a useless burden at times when you were falling apart" about Brittany, do you think that this is an inaccurate assessment of what is influencing her behavior?
@@gskills55 Yeah. It sounds like some shit my alcoholic college flunkie cousin would say
@@iamrobot583 nice one
Ironically, Brittany looks like a prototypical Long Island Jew and Max looks like an Iranian refugee washed upon the shore of a Long Island beach.
They both look like Jews
Mr girl might be one of the most unhealthy slightly self aware people I've ever seen. Its so interesting to watch and listen to.
A Level 2
How this guys sounds like a psychopath with a voice. He verbally abuses his girlfriend and hits her in the face and then says he snapped as a excuse.
@catdogbark the problem with max is that he thinks he is extremely self away and thinks he knows way more than others. Such an extremely unhealthy person probably can't guess what most average people are thinking I don't think most of the world is as unhealthy as Mr girl so his view of others is extremely skewed. I still enjoy watching him but fuck he is insane sometimes lol.
@catdogbark I get what you're saying i think. You can be honest and transparent in your communication of yourself but that doesn't mean you're self aware necessarily because you might be seeing a distorted or limited version of yourself and reflecting that as truth because you honestly believe it is. So honest doesn't mean self aware always.
@@adamwb8302 it would be a lvl 3
57:06 lmaooo "how does this help at all"
Honestly I'm getting very frustrated at Mr. Girl he just kinda dodges everything attacks everyone but then plays the victim when other people poke at his way of thinking
Im so excited to watch this THANK YOU DESTINY!
I find mr girl and Brittany detestable . They make Dan look like a great guy on the flip side
I fell like in the whole Conversation they do Acknowledge that People can do a whole lot of things differently, but never really Formulate or speak of the Fact that People have different Levels of Aggression that don't even have to be problematic but can still vary Greatly. So things some might consider Normal would be unthinkable for others, which they in some categories bring up and affirm, but they just dont do that for inherent Levels of Aggression, which would in my Opinion be a Factor in the conversation about Domestic Violence
Also avoiding acknowledging that everyone has a different reaction to aggression...my partner and I were both in abusive relationships in the past and hes avoidant to anything that resembles aggression while I meet aggression with yours + everything I can find ...we also had different reactions from police and people around us when everything happened
Destiny called it. They are capable of having a decent back and forth but once again Mr Girl needs to find a way to calm down with the fart sniffing "sherlock holmes/ Autism note" act because it just yeets every conversation into a black hole of tediousness.
It does
Tru
Autism?
This convo felt like 2 bots practicing for the Turing's Test
Watching this vid now it’s crazy how much mr girl simps were in DGG
Destiny is at his best when moderating like this. This and the Roe v Wade panel has been by far the most interesting content in a long time
He is at his best when he is debating and having conversations, a close second is his moderating.
He is wrong on it though
@@mariomario1462 He is wrong or you disagree?
I thought the Roe v Wade panel was boring af.
@@jam4631 he's wrong and I disagree.
"I just punched her lightly in the face" OH MY WORD! What am I missing? He saying im supposed to be shocked, right? Because that sounds awful.
This is what frenemies should have been.
The new frenemies.. Thanks universe 🙏
Intellectual frenemies
This conversation is… Just… The world is so beautiful.
I personally feel MrGirl gets offended easily. He's vague/weird as fuck, and acts surprised when people don't understand what he is horribly communicating. He also is bad at reading and interpreting others, so I don't understand why he thinks psychology is something he's well versed in. I feel he would find way more happiness through pursuing something else that interests him.
bruh
Brittney saying Mr.Girl KOed himself with his own content is the most accurate thing ive ever heard
@@b0bbyGG we listen because destiny listens, its not because he's unique
@@b0bbyGG She likes his content too, but it isn't a great representation of a sane and well-balanced human being. Why is MrGirl claiming that she's doing some big-brain double bind takedown of a public image that he voluntarily defaced, and then saying he cares? He didn't give a particularly compelling answer, or an answer at all really. So it's down to forced drama, spite, or MrGirl legitimately thinks she can somehow paint him as more dangerous than he has, himself, voluntarily, with his own inflammatory rhetoric and presentation.
@@b0bbyGG how much are hate watchers
@@lillburtlonk3721 I don't think you listen at all.
@@b0bbyGG Show any of MrGirls content, full context, to a normie and they would flat out disagree with him and misunderstand his point because he is terrible at wording and explaining his thoughts, despite his ideas being interesting and worth exploring. He's his own worst enemy.
Looking back at this conversation, I think Max's theory on Brittany is 100% correct. She was hurt from their initial conversation and came back to drag Max through the mud in this conversation, then plays dumb when called out for it. Similarly, she did the same thing to Destiny after their rape convo disagreement. She truly is a vile person.
"I have a mental illness" 😂
Brittany wanted him to say he hit his ex because durr mental ill so fucking bad.
“Humans gonna human” becomes increasingly more curious of a nonstarter and cope, the more I think about it. It sounds like “boys will be boys” is unironically in her repertoire 🧐
“Fair’s fair.”
“Rules are rules”
Like Jerry Seinfeld once joked, people say these things because they sound like strong and true statements when they don’t really say much about anything.
Thought terminating cliché gonna terminate thoughts. It’s basically just the “It is what it is” statement. Just as tautological as well; when are humans ever not gonna human?
@@Proxya @TheDolphinTuna yup x2.
Re: tautological thought-termination, [it] is often effective as a rhetorical device in the moment, yet raises many meta thoughts and opens the door for new cross examination with increased scrutiny
MrGirl definitely sounds like he’s justifying the abuse
Yeah when he says his gf would be more jealous of him hitting Brittney and that we should empathise with abusers he kind of ignores the fact they need to commit to change.
Literally the funniest video I’ve ever seen
I have never wanted to hit my girlfriend of 5 years. We fight, we have issues, but I don't think I've litterally ever had the impulse to act violently to her. Idk how it is for everyone else but it does seem uncommon/rare for me.
Exactly. There’s such a huge difference between the urge to scream and the urge to beat! I’m kinda shocked by MrGirl’s/Destiny’s take on this. For me, getting physical is purely self-defense.
I know you made this comment a year ago but I came here to agree. And same with my kids. I’ve been angry angry angry but never wanted to hurt them or my husband.
@heatherlaaman3593 well a year later and I still never have had the urge to hit her lol
@@pr3historic647 Good to hear it! I figure most normal folks are like that haha
Love the "I express remorse" with the most calming voice ever and as it wasn't a big deal. But to be honest regarding this entire discussion I do appreciate anyone who is coming out saying they hit an ex-partner in order to understand the behavior to maybe mitigate the risk of having the same problematic situation coming up in the future.
Destiny is a good moderator
Monsterator
Half the time he's just debating Mr girl instead of moderating.
Modstiny
August you are the man! Top tier production and speed on the content as always!
"I can control what I do when I snap" then you didn't actually snap.
If the definition of snapping is that you have no control whatsoever, snapping doesn't exist and is just an excuse. (Assuming drugs aren't at play.)
@@mielipuolisiili7240 The "definition" of snapping is becoming so emotionally unstable (temporarily) that you will say or do things you would never otherwise intend to say or do, often followed by intense guilt or shame at how you acted when you didn't have control. People with genuine anger issues know the feeling well, and you do not have control like you might think. You are no longer rational or reachable.
One time I "snapped" and smashed my fucking head into a door jamb 3 times as hard as I could. I think if I had full, rational control of myself in that moment I would have chosen not to do that.
25:31 "Youve snapped and said you were going to put me in a concentration camp.
Ya... max made this entire conversation pointless. What a joke. Just treat people like people and talk to him. Max was in his own world this entire conversation. So much trauma in that crazy mind lol.
Dude max is gonna be that patient that his Therapist writes their hit nyt best seller about.
Really convoluted way to talk about this. He can identify the capacity for violence and was honest about what happened to cause him to do it. But he didn't demonstrate that he has identified anything other than that - he didn't demonstrate that he feels it's wrong, he doesn't demonstrate that he did further self-inquiry into himself other than that. No realisations, no further exploration.
Exactly
How is he helping? Lmao
He said he thinks it was wrong to do that? What do you think further self inquiry would reveal?
@@NudeSophist inquiry on your response to anger would be a start
@@skullingtonfx4441 A start toward what? It sounds like he understands why he did it.
@@NudeSophist ok. So how do you prevent it? By controlling your anger lmao. He knew seeing his dad upsets him. REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE SITUATION. funny he never mentions this or any anger management. If you know something going to anger you and you willing to be extremely violent and you accept that, its your responsibility to learn to curb your actions. Ah but mrgirl considers that type of stuff repression. All he is doing is helping abusers lol
She punched her ex but is calling him out for punching his girl? The hypocrisy stinks
Man, I have had enough of NSE and MrGirl these past few weeks. Both of these people are completely insufferable, regardless of how “quirky” they might come across as on first listen.
Couldn't agree more.
36:50 "You know what sick about this? If I changed the circumstances of the situation entirely then it wouldn't have been so bad for me to hit someone" - Mr. Girl
Uhhhh... yeah? No shit
This all seemed a bit weird, driven far enough (and who knows if either Brittany or Destiny have been, I suspect you probably need a domestic physical abuser in this conversation to give the other perspective) who knows exactly what a person will do, and in many ways given the physical distance, I doubt many people get a chance to test a boundary to the extremes that mrgirl has.
The buffering we have in the modern world often serves as a barrier of sorts, leading to de-escalation as a natural consequence (I think)
Given mrgirl's history, it is more linked to emotional closeness and direct relationships than that necessarily of friends or even internet associations.
So I see slurs in gaming as not really being comparable, and Brittany is not in that kind of relationship with mrgirl. I think this is a difference in heuristics, which she is struggling to grasp, for whatever reason. The boundaries, 'magic circles', compartmentalization, etc that exist with in sort people are different... The aspects of play that Brittany sees in the world may not be there with another person (like mrgirl)
The physical threat for actions of overstepping boundaries, lack of acknowledgement, etc may not be something that is easily recognised. And I think sometimes when it comes to conversations, there are limits... People use the weapons and advantages over others...even if these are words. Risk of escalation will temper conversation, but also prevent some people from overstepping the boundaries.
Mrgirl is a very minor version of these individuals whose escalation can result in the physical harm of others, but that is something you need to have experienced to really understand. Underneath some people is a violent animal that will hurt you...
i don't agree with you or mr girl, i was very violent when young, like physically beating others kids when i was attacked either by words or force, but never once in my life i hit a woman even when i was young, even when a woman was hitting me i didn't fight back, cause i was taught that way and i firmly believe it is wrong to hit a woman, even when i was angry at girls i never thought of hitting them. I was in the extreme and i still didn't lashed out and went against my beliefs, you are not everyone and everyone isn't you.
@@luisgonzaga9286 so there is never a case in which you'd hit a woman?
This is what people with easy lives look like, absolutely nothing to say.
Brittany was just trying to get back at MrGirl for the last debate lol. Tried spinning his whole video into something that it wasn't(even though she watched the whole fn video). Both in the end ended up trying to win whatever the debate weirdly morphed into it seems.
edit : okay I wasn't done watching the video and mrgirl just called her out on exactly this lmfao
her eyes are buggin I think she's on blow or smthn
The question they’re missing here (I haven’t finished the video yet but I’m at 53:35 so far and I think what they need to ask if WHAT CHANGES has Max made? Rather than has Max changed? If he says yes or he doesn’t know, well…hasn’t he changed anything at all and if so what?
It seems to come down to the value of reassurance in the face of known capacity. If the first action happened as a result of a snap then it wasn't an intentional act. Therefore what meaningful reassurance can he give you It wont happen again. You feel 'safe' around almost anyone on a daily basis at only their assumed word, its only after knowing of the capacity that you feel you require it.
The disconnect is that he acts insulted at the idea that people will act in a way directly based on the knowledge of his (lack of) limitations. Of course they will. This seems like a lot of roundabout nonsense, until you realize that the actual point of contention is his borderline schizophrenic tendency to mindread, resulting in an assumed attempt at manipulation from the start. He doesn't bother honestly addressing the argument, since he thinks the argument isn't being put forth in good faith in the first place.
Going in circles. It must be exhausting.
You did great, Destiny