Mike Battaglia | Sweet Lorraine (31-TET version) - Some Stride Piano for you all
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Some stride piano for you all! This is the jazz standard "Sweet Lorraine." Hope you enjoy.
This version is tuned to 31 tone equal temperament ("31-TET"). I start off mostly playing things that sound like 12, but as the tune goes on, I start throwing in musical techniques that are way different from 12!
There's also a version in 19 tone equal temperament: • Mike Battaglia | Sweet...
Since I don't have a 31-TET instrument, I had to make this in a few parts. First, I made notes about the scales/chords/progressions/etc that I wanted to play at some point. Then I did an initial rendition in 12, where I played the closest equivalent to those things. Then I did an initial "naive" retune to 31-TET, where I just changed each 12-TET note to the nearest 31-TET note. Since this isn't always the "right" way to retune, I then went note-by-note and changed every note so that it was right, e.g. making sure I play "C#" when I want C# and "Db" when I want Db. Then I changed whatever was left to match my notes, e.g. replaced some chromatic runs with the "miracle" decatonic scale, etc. This was all in Pianoteq.
Some background information on 19-TET and 31-TET for you...
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19-TET and 31-TET are two "magic numbers" of notes per octave that are magically "backward-compatible" with most Western music, but also have new stuff. This is a pretty rare property! If you tried playing this tune with, for instance, 18, 20, 23, or 30 notes per octave, or whatever, it wouldn't happen - some of these tunings don't even have major chords in them. But with 19-TET and 31-TET, things magically sync up. The only other small equal temperament you get this property with is 24-TET (aka just adding exact "quarter tones" to 12-TET).
To be brief about it, 31-TET was basically the main tuning used in Europe for hundreds of years. To be precise, the European tuning was something called "1/4-comma meantone," mathematically derived slightly differently, but in which the notes they used are all within a cent or two of 31-TET. As a result, music theorists have talking about 31-TET going all the way back to the Renaissance!
Similarly, 19-TET is within a fraction of a cent of "1/3-comma meantone" - less common than 31-TET/1/4-comma, but also talked about for hundreds of years. However, harpsichords tuned to a 19-tone subset of 31-TET were fairly common, such as this reconstruction of Carlo Gesualdo's "Chromatic Harpsichord," built by Augusto Bonza, photo by son Alberto Bonza (www.milanocast.... Many of these existed for hundreds of years!
If your goal is to be able to play Western music and also add new things, then 31-TET has some truly incredible properties, and is somewhat of a musical "Rosetta Stone": not only does it have its historical background with meantone temperament, but it also has a really good approximation to harmonics up to the 11-limit; it has something like "quarter tones" in that you get a "neutral third" or "middle third" right between the minor and major thirds, likewise with a "neutral second," etc; you have scales somewhat resembling Arabic maqam scales: Rast, Bayati, etc; an "enharmonic scale" that splits the whole tone into three and goes C-C#-Db-D-...; many new chord progressions, scales, chords, etc; all with the meantone/tonal "backbone" when you want. It is also refreshing that the "blue note," aka the "middle third" between minor and major that blues musicians often play, now gets granted "real note" status in 31-TET, rather than being some "weird bendy thing" that doesn't get the status of properly "existing" as a "true note" in 12-TET.
19-TET is kind of the "mini" version of the above - you don't get neutral thirds, quasi-Arabic scales, or as good an approximation to the 11-limit, but you do get a taste of some of that stuff, if you play the proper voicings; you get the enharmonic scale; you get a whole host of new chords, chord progressions, and scales; you even get an approximation to the Bohlen Pierce scale; etc. It's a little quirky, but it has its own personality that I somewhat like! At the very least it's like "training wheels" for 31-TET with fewer notes.
In addition to 19 and 31, there are also some "quasi-Western" tunings at 17-TET (which has nice smooth "subminor" chords, but very strange sharp major chords), 22-TET (like an extreme version of 17-TET), 26-TET (in which everything is super flat, but it's kind of nice in a way), 27-TET (a super-extreme version of 17-TET and 22-TET), and 29-TET (Pythagorean-esque tuning with nice fifths but sharp major thirds) notes per octave. These are recognizable to some degree but are very different. You can listen to these at my SoundCloud, where I take a Bach Fugue and retune it to all of these tunings and a few others: / the-categorical-experi...
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YEAAAAAH!!
Jacob, if you're up for it, there's an entire army of microtonal musicians who would be dying to see you write something in a crazy tuning system like this, or maybe something crazier like 22-EDO or 17-EDO.
@@teddydunn3513 what would really fit for Jacob is the Kite Guitar (which he played for a few minutes an early prototype just a couple months after its invention in 2019). Instead of just being kinda out there, it would allow him the full range of normal JI-direction ear-based tuning *with* all the extra options. I'd be happy to see him do some 22 and 17 too, but yeah…
Wow, one genius giving a hats off to another, and we get to witness! Mike, everything about this is delicious: your jazz keyboard chops, the swing (shades of Oscar Peterson), and your navigation of the resources of 31-edo. Glad I was pointed to this video, it made my day.
Jacob, I have no words for the awe (and inspiration) you inspire. You are a giant. Greetings from Tuscon, AZ!
@@teddydunn3513 Yes, that would be sick!
The big man himself
My ears are always ready for a new performance from Mike. This was outstanding man
Hi sevish!
God exists, creation bears witness to it, but sin separates us from Him, and we sin, and deserve the hell, that is why He sent His Son Christ to live a Holy life, die on a Cross paying the penalty for our sins, saving His chosen ones of condemnation, dark powers and curses, reconciling us with God only by Faith in Jesus and His Sacrifice, *not by works,* so that no one can boast, Giving us Eternal Life, God bless you. Glory be to the Father, to the Son and to the Holy Spirit
oml sevish jc all the greats in one place 😂
I feel like I finally found people on yt who can make natural sounding microtonal music. Up to this point I've seen only experiments, theoretical videos praising in tune major 3rds in 31tet, but no one making actual practical use of it in actual music
check out zhea erose and brendan byrnes, they make good stuff ;)
And Hear Between The Lines's EP Radical Tenderness 😊
Sevish
Awesome, Mike! You are definitely the greatest microtonal stride pianist of all time! 😊
WOW. This is SOOOO cool. This is exactly why i am so hyped about all of that microtonal nonsence. Can't wait for it to go mainstream, cuz we, as a society, as music enjoyers, NEED THIS
I have been waiting 30 years, so I suggest not to hold your breath. It is up to the young.
society
Another lolotronop spotted
@@alanrie BumperCode, кстати, тоже из наших, только с Дискорда
God exists, creation bears witness to it, but sin separates us from Him, and we sin, and deserve the hell, that is why He sent His Son Christ to live a Holy life, die on a Cross paying the penalty for our sins, saving His chosen ones of condemnation, dark powers and curses, reconciling us with God only by Faith in Jesus and His Sacrifice, *not by works,* so that no one can boast, Giving us Eternal Life, God bless you. Glory be to the Father, to the Son and to the Holy Spirit
I've been dying to hear 31 in this context/setting beyond just the mean-tone core! Not only is this really enjoyable and well crafted/performed; it is a really important piece of music too! Not gonna lie, I don't know how I feel about the colours and textures of 31 in this setting but I'm really grateful you made this.
why isn't stuff like this on the radio
For the same reason we have climate change, the 1%, and reality TV
Because we aren't in the 40s anymore.
Because it is meant to play average music u won't pay attention to, so you don't get overexcited and crash with another vehicle.
@@danielperales3958 tbh fair enough
Don’t get me wrong, I think this is super cool, but the reason it’s not on the radio is because most people probably would think it sounds like shit.
I appreciate the time you put into this! Thanks for the historical context as well. 1:31 🤯 The turnaround cycles going around in 4ths highlighted 31's sound and shifts the most to this casual listener. Like a pleasantly organized old out of tune upright bar piano. Would like to hear the same tuning in a few different genres too to show different musical context capabilities. Beautiful!
I'd also love to hear some more genres!
This is one of the wildest things I've ever heard. Really digging that descending line in the xenharmonic ii-V-I turnaround - sounds like a record slowing down.
I love how it feels like it's almost bending my brain at times. It sounds metallic, but not evil like a lot of microtonal stuff can sometimes.
Very cool.
love the real time theory notes :D
it works so well for this style. your playing is phenomenal
So, if I understand correctly… what we are seeing on the screen is you playing in 12 TET on a 12 TET keyboard, but then changing some of the pitches in post?
Yeah, that's right. I had an idea of the chords and scales I wanted to play in 31, so I played the nearest 12-EDO equivalent and then moved it to 31-EDO afterward
This exclusively has been stuck in my head for the past 48 hours it’s so gooooooood
You are criminally underappreciated
God exists, creation bears witness to it, but sin separates us from Him, and we sin, and deserve the hell, that is why He sent His Son Christ to live a Holy life, die on a Cross paying the penalty for our sins, saving His chosen ones of condemnation, dark powers and curses, reconciling us with God only by Faith in Jesus and His Sacrifice, *not by works,* so that no one can boast, Giving us Eternal Life, God bless you. Glory be to the Father, to the Son and to the Holy Spirit
Wow! I absolutely love this music. I don't have the context to understand everything that's going on, but I'm excited to learn more about it.
Imma transcribe it ❤️
@@stephenweigel Feel free to let me know when you finish. I'm curious how 31-TET is generally written out.
@@rowenveratome hi, Stephen actually did finish transcribing this with the help of George Collier. Its on his channel, heres the link! th-cam.com/video/iddqvpAG2KA/w-d-xo.html
@@mikeyeyey8678 Thanks for letting me know! I looked at it - it seemed to be using conventional music notation, which surprised me. Maybe there were little symbols that I scanned over because I didn't know what they meant. If microtonal music becomes more popular, maybe we'll get a new writing system?
@@rowenveratome there are already ways to notate every equal temperament, and just intonation, with standard western notation (also, George Collier did not do any of the transcribing! He did repost though which was really cool). I’m working on making a video that will actually explain how to notate music in any equal temperament.
This is tremendous
The changes at 1:33 are soo sweet
I can't get over the b section. Those rhythms with that chord progression are just incredible.
This right here...this is beyond king shit. This is democratically-elected man of the people, respected elder statesman, remembered as the face of a new era shit. 🏅
wanna hear 31-TET heartaches by al bowley
this is really great! how are you controlling the tuning changes, given that your keyboard looks totally normal? do you have a bunch of options set up on your computer, and a footswitch that switches between them or something?
I could be wrong, his notes aren’t clear at all, but I think he changed the pitches in post. Still waiting for confirmation myself.
@@JoshuaWillis89 yup, changed ‘em in post!
@@JoshuaWillis89 so that's how he did the notes on the clothes at the end!! was so confused
I love those miracle decatonic riffs
In b4 Adam Neely samples this for a lofi hip hop track
Ha
I need to learn how to braap xenharmonically
How many years of lessons? Were they classical?
This totally blew my mind and made me want to quit lol
Could you also upload the 12-TET version as a comparison?
1:29 how beautiful
Very cool, sounds a lot like meantone, but more flexible. It's the aural equivalent of seeing a brand new color. It is nice to see the "undesirable" intervals like those seen in meantone be used for different color and effect, a different kind of dissonance.
Wow! Great playing and fantastic theory notes!
I came
I listen to this every day, man, for months now.
This is my favorite Sweet Lorraine on the web. Thank you!
So inspiring. This channel has been a favorite for awhile now
So I only barely understand theory at this level. Tuning systems other than 12tet are so foreign, but they're so cool! I'm trying to understand more of what's happening here. It's wild.
3:23 That 4:5:6:7:9 chords are very close to the Bohlen-Pierce sound. Awesome!
Sounds really cool -- at last, somebody who not only demonstrates a non-standard temperament, but gives us good music with it.
Just one problem, that the description of how this was done points out: It's really hard to build a 31-TET keyboard instrument(*). Not impossible, but you are going to need some serious money to make one unless you're making a low-cost synthesizer to start with, and even then it's not going to be easy. Edit: Something like this: th-cam.com/video/utQNjxoUNpY/w-d-xo.html
(*)And if you think that's bad, try 53-TET to get within a hairsbreadth of Just Intonation.
Honkrotonal tonky wonk
Please, make this available on TH-cam Music. YTM can play most TH-cam videos, but it refuses to play this one.
I'm a fellow UT MSCS/DS admit (found you via reddit). wanna connect?
Hi, just a thing - subtitles on this video are automatically translated with no way to turn that off (I mean, there's a way but it doesn't work), which makes them completely unintelligible.
Holy fuck
This is a good intro to microtonal stuff. Love this arrangement because it’s a bluesy tune, and with the added microtones make it sound like more of a Honkey Tonk, which is really cooooool!
Is there a term for the jazz thing Mike does throughout this whole song, the magic tingly ornamented chords?
This is great! How are you doing this on a standard keyboard?!
someone playing melee in the background?
middle 3rd:
the most feature of 31tet
(and that "flat" 6)
Dude this is amazing. One of the few microtonal performances I’ve heard that’s actually pleasing to the ear. Mad props
So you map 31 keys just for one octave?
Very fascinating hearing this idiom in 31. Loved it.
Bro this is amazing. I’m extremely impressed with your transcription of this jazz standard! This is incredible
Hey guys
I'm a music school grad and jazz saxophonist and I honestly am not sure what I am hearing, I understand it's a different tuning system, but I don't know enough about this topic to comprehend exactly what is happening. Can anyone pls link me to a video explaining the theory of this vs other tuning systems (advantages, differences in color, etc)?
Thanks so much 💚💚💚
Btw Mike I subscribed 👍
Here you go!
th-cam.com/video/1Hxkz6Jn_oA/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/z486ScNJBOo/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/tfFAHCNMF-M/w-d-xo.html (analysis of a song in 22 EDO, also known as 22 Equally divided octave)
th-cam.com/video/TwqQHbKonTU/w-d-xo.html
Oh yeah and here's a transcription of the piece!
th-cam.com/video/iddqvpAG2KA/w-d-xo.html
To check out more microtonal songs, i highly advise you listen to brendan byrnes, sevish, hear between the lines, and xotla, they make great stuff!
Be sure to check the xen wiki as well if you want to, it can be really helpful to understand things like just intonation, cent equal temperaments and so on
@@TheBassKittyhey yeah! I can explain here. You know how standard piano tuning is “12-tone-equal-temperament?” It has 12 unique notes per octave and the notes all sound the same distance apart. If you took each note from 12-TET and added exactly one note exactly halfway in between, you would get 24-TET. Of course, you can use any number for a TET you want, and Mike here is using 31. Nowadays it’s easiest to describe microtonal intervals in terms of cents - a standard semitone in 12-TET is 100 cents, an octave is 1200 cents, and a quarter tone is 50 cents. So you can find the smallest step (also known as “degree” or “edostep”) of an equal temperament in cents by taking 1200/TET. For example, 1200/12TET is 100 cents, 1200/24TET is 50 cents, etc. Since Mike is using 31-TET, the smallest size is 1200/31TET = ~38.71 cents. The xenharmonic wiki has lists of intervals for reasonable sized -TET’s that you can reference, and from there you can see how close some of 31-TET’s are to 12-TET. Notation is a bit trickier to explain than the math behind interval size, but a lot of it has to do with how close the -TET’s closest perfect fifth is to ~701.955 cents (the pure Pythagorean value). Luckily 31-TET is a tuning made easily diatonic, like some others such as 19-TET, 22-TET, or 26-TET. The 12-TET major scale has 2\12 of an octave (200 cents) as a whole tone and 1\12 of an octave as a diatonic semitone (100 cents), while in 31-TET, 5\31 of an octave are a whole tone (~193.55 cents), and 3\31 of an octave are a diatonic semitone (~116.13 cents). Most non-12-TET tunings have different sizes for their diatonic and chromatic semitones. For instance, 31-TET’s CHROMATIC semitone is 2\31 of an octave (~77.42 cents). Hopefully this is helpful - I recommend joining the xenharmonic alliance discord server or Facebook group if you want to learn more!
honestly by brain just autotunes it to 12tet
How come the piano looks normal?
Wonderful ! 😀
one of the most beautiful things i've ever heard in my life
This is so cool, the Enharmonic chord shifts sound very much like a record-slowdown effect, and the whole experience feels like a sort of chorusy/detuned effect that works really well with stride, but I imagine could really be used creatively in the same way a guitarist would use a pedal control on a chorus or flanger, but in the same way modern percussive guitar 'bakes in' a delay effect into the notes of the piece.
How did you have this set up???
Incredible
bar music in dimension 3.22
This is so beautiful man! The blues are so extremely expressive in 31 TET, and your playing is so tasteful! Keep this up man, it's absolutely wonderful!
Whoa! This totally changed my perception of microtonal music
After listening to this I decided I’m dropping my jazz piano major
[Disclaimer: I AM DEAD SERIOUS]
that was fkin sick holy shit
outstanding
YES Mike amazing job
Thanks for sharing!
This is what I imagine normal music sounds like right before a seizure
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i love it
My ears are smiling.
이게 왜 31tet 버전이야??
Bangin'!
How did you map the 31-TET scale to your keyboard? I know you can do the tunings in Pianoteq, but to get every note mapped to the keys makes 1 octave = 2 octaves + 7 keys. And on an 88-key board it only gives 2 octaves + 5 steps. Didn't sound like you had a problem so how come it sounds so great coming out of the 88-note keyboard! Bravo!
I'm a little curious about this as well. My best guess is that he used a pedal to shift to different subsets of 31-EDO
The description says he played the piece in 12-TET, then mapped the 12-tet notes to 31-tet, and did some more funky microtone stuff, in post.
What’s happening
Wow!
Absolutely fantastic work, Mike.
fuck yea
LOVE!
How do you get the microtones on a 12-tone piano?
From what I understand from the description, he first mapped the 12 notes in 31TET that are closest to each 12TET note, then changed a few to get the specific harmonies that he was looking for
the "enharmonic" tritone-sub double-2-5 is so fucking sick
Go Birds!
The amount of work and dedication you must have put to share this with us. Thank you!
Stephen Weigel transcribed this as if it was 24tet
No, it's just that the same microtonal accidentals are used in both. In 31tet they indicate fifth-tones, rather than quarter-tones, and there are 5 steps to a whole-tone.
By the end I feel like I’m questioning my mind really hard
Kinda creepy
Reminds me of Everywhere at the End of Time
That is some sick playing. What kind of piano is that? I find microtonality to be fascinating.
Ok but this seriously sounds great
Great stuff ;) Keep on going
Great Stuff !!!!
Go Birds!
i just love how you put a scrolling text as subs like credits while background music is playing as the film is ending lol 😂
Wow that's really beautifull is the piano micro tonal? Or is the enharmonic thing you refrence a way of getting an outside of the scale sound? Whatever your doing I love it
This is sick! I cannot figure out how u are doing this though.... Are those double black keys or what?
I’d love to know this too!
It's been mentioned in another comment that it was performed in 12TET and then 31-TET'd in post.
@@minerscale so it’s MIDI recorded, and then he transposes the notes?
@@mackit Seems so.
Mike please come back. I am starving for more music like this 🥲
holy sweet jesus. subscribed and will check out everything new. that was stunning.
Bravissimo, Mike, many congratulations!
This might have appealed to Earl Hines, the very father of crunch.
This is exquisitely played and utterly fascinating to hear! So much in this to explore, thank you for opening my ears. That wolf does howl, doesn’t it? Amazing
Thanks for putting this together Mike, this vid gives me peace and joy and i come back to it every couple of weeks :)
This sounds like old recordings of ragtime because sound is sometimes distorted by the recording and the dissonance makes it sound distorted! Super cool!
Very cool. the "real time music theory" goes by way fast, and the key noise in unfortunate, but the music is great!
this piano has the skills to accompany a German church choir or the Gärtnergesangsverein 😬👍
love it.