The tier list was already absolute garbage before he placed down Hades anyway. I think anyone who made such a tierlist should be embarrassed to ever put it out to the public
I agree that hades could profit from a buff to many weapons and playstyles It pretty much follows the same progression scheme as Dead Cells ( permanent upgrades ) so If you're looking to pog off - the first ~5 hours of hades are miserable, losing runs because you literally just dont have the damage or health - i can see where frustration might occur that said it is most definitely a rougelike
I think what's funnier than the people getting upset at how ridiculous this tierlist is are the people who genuinely defend Dan and think he's baiting them, and not that he just genuinely doesn't have very good taste. It must be nice to live with your kind of optimism in the world! But either way, this shouldn't be news to anyone. Dan doesn't know that much about games, and nobody expects him to, we watch him for his personality, not his taste in video games.
I'm just in on the jokes here. I like Dan for the clean positive entertainment and am just rolling along with the bits... either way, it's his channel so its his opinions at the end of the day. tl;dr im on team red
He seems to generally dislike games that require strategy instead of reflexes. Doesn’t make much sense considering Rogue itself is a turn based strategy game. Any “action roguelike” is actually a roguelite
To be honest, I don't think you should be expecting many "traditional roguelikes" in a tier list unless specified. Some people have this expectation that casual roguelike streamers are going to have lots of experience with these games, but (from what I've seen at least) it isn't the case, it's not really how roguelikes are branded at the moment anyway. Lunky 1 & 2, Noita, Darkest Dungeon (haven't played much of that one though) definitely require more strategy than something like RoR2, Hades or BPM, but to be completely fair you are generalising here and I'm being pretty specific, neither do they really come close to most traditional roguelikes in complexity.
@0:35 my buddy claims he met you at the tokyo sushi on union/wise a couple years ago. He said you were so happy that he recognized you from your twitch rather than big brother that you made a tweet about him.
Balatro is fun, but it doesn't have the Depth that StS has, at least not yet, game hasn't come out so we don't know what it has to offer, while StS is in it's final form. StS to A, RoR to B, Dicey Dungeon to B, DD2 to B, Monster Train to either low B or high C. While I don't disagree on Hades not being great, saying it isn't a roguelike ((roguelite,) yes, we all know the difference. Weird thing to get pretentious over lmfao) is objectively false. Edit: Also Enter the Gungeon is insanely overrated C tier max.
Disagree with a lot of this list. Not seeing Atomicrops, Downwell, Undermine, Children of Morta, Loop Hero, or Neon Abyss(as someone else mentioned for the later). I love Monster Train, and Hades is definitely a roguelite(yes I get that its not exactly the same as a roguelike....but so many blur the lines and a lot on this list already falls in there) If you define a roguelike as a game that has no carry-over from game to game,unlocks, or upgrades then Dead Cells can't be a roguelike. It would fall into the roguelite category. The potion upgrade alone pulls it into roguelite territory. There are several on here I need to check out, and several I agree with like Luck be a Landlord is surprisingly super fun.
I would love to see you do a one-time stream where you play Caves of Qud. It's DAE but super retro and honestly the first roguelike since Isaac where I've been like: this is the ultimate.
i have not felt this angry about a tier list, like he put mr.sun's hatbox in C tier, risk of rain 2 in C too, peglin, dome keeper, crab champions, all in C tier, and even Hades in Trash Tier minus, Dan, you've disapointed me, and your gamer badge will be removed tommorw
I love Binding of Isaac and it was my very first roguelike game. But Crypt of the Necrodancer, Hades, and Dead Cells are the holy trinity of roguelike games, they're masterpieces.
I thought we were gonna disagree on everything after dicey in F, but nah- we agree on alot. Dicey is a low C. Gungeon is hard overrated and is B, so many games do what it tries better. RoR2 is an A I think. Sts is the easiest S of all time. You're hard capping Hades isn't a Roguelike and is S.
absolutely agree! hades is such a trash, never seen such bad monsters design :x its underworld ffs and you fight rats, vases and carts? wtf, its so god damn lame...
You could say Rogue Legacy 2 didn't do anything different, but you could also say it improved on every single aspect of RL1. I really liked RL1 at the time, but it now seems like the trial run for the real deal. RL2 has made RL1 obsolete (precisely because it's the same, but better). It feels like the game that they wanted to make in the first place, if they had the time and money.
i get why you put voidigo in c tier, opinions are opinions but still... try playing voidigo again its so good! it is alsow a really long game! im like 12 hours in and havent even unlocked the ability to be able to fight the true final boss yet!
I agree with the S tier completely and the A tier contains all of my other favorite roguelikes. and I also didn't enjoy Hades very much. to my surprise this tierlist seems pretty accurate (to me)
Really? Hades is one of the best rogue-likes of all time, and you have Isaac at the top? It may be a classic, but by today's standards it's lacking. If you put Hades and Isaac two side by side, Hades has tighter combat, graphics, story and sound design, not to mention runs that are more dynamic due to RNG. Also streets of rogue deserves better, its one of the most unique roguelikes and offers some of the best multiplayer in the genre.
Maybe if this game had actual build diversity then it would be good, but that's the core trait of roguelike games and hades doesn't have that, that's why i don't like it and that's also why its in TT-. what you wrote about runs being more dynamic due to RNG is pure bullshit, i assume you didn't play isaac a lot, gave it like an hour before u gave up and went back to inferior game.
the story is all hades has going for it. compared to isaac the builds you get in hades are mind numbingly boring, especially considering that its one of those games that actively used to "balance" synergies.
Whilst the combat in hades is certainly more polished, Isaac's gameplay is much, much deeper. Isaac may be dated in some aspects but to say that its lacking by today's standards is a pretty bad take IMO. Isaac clears hades
You've literally never played Isaac for more than a couple hours if this is your opinion, lol. Hades' runs are more dynamic and has more RNG than Isaac? What are you smoking? And btw, I LOVE Hades.
seems very accurate. i was dying at the end TT minus tier. hahaha yeah it looks like trash. couldnt agree more with spelunky thats how i know about you.
"ultimate" roguelike tier list??? ok....where is tiny rogues, atomicrops, into the breach, dandy ace, curse of the dead gods, dungreed, going under....play more roguelikes next time if you need to do a serious tier list.
i have never felt more irrational anger at the world at large than when dan put hades in trash-tier-MINUS
wrong, snoozades belongs in trash tier
its psy fly the game, literally an orange eater at halftime
The tier list was already absolute garbage before he placed down Hades anyway. I think anyone who made such a tierlist should be embarrassed to ever put it out to the public
@@MrBlinky10101 raw minkus right there
@@MakusinMeringue drone
@@MrBlinky10101 If rage is the bait, you are the fish my friend
I agree that hades could profit from a buff to many weapons and playstyles
It pretty much follows the same progression scheme as Dead Cells ( permanent upgrades )
so If you're looking to pog off - the first ~5 hours of hades are miserable,
losing runs because you literally just dont have the damage or health - i can see where frustration might occur
that said
it is most definitely a rougelike
Dan's tier lists are always prime bait lol.
That Risk of Rain 2 placing was absolulely brain-dead.
i quit watching after that lmao like this hole list is invalid now
God I love those salty tears
Hades placement 10,000% bait 😂
Inscryption's main game is 100% not a rougelike, but it's post-game content Kaycee's mod is due to it having a more of a reset (plus no act 2 or 3)
_(Dan's internal dialogue the entire time:)_
"He did it. He took the bait! He took it."
I know rage bait when I see it, this time you won't get me
I think what's funnier than the people getting upset at how ridiculous this tierlist is are the people who genuinely defend Dan and think he's baiting them, and not that he just genuinely doesn't have very good taste. It must be nice to live with your kind of optimism in the world!
But either way, this shouldn't be news to anyone. Dan doesn't know that much about games, and nobody expects him to, we watch him for his personality, not his taste in video games.
I'm just in on the jokes here. I like Dan for the clean positive entertainment and am just rolling along with the bits... either way, it's his channel so its his opinions at the end of the day.
tl;dr im on team red
He seems to generally dislike games that require strategy instead of reflexes. Doesn’t make much sense considering Rogue itself is a turn based strategy game. Any “action roguelike” is actually a roguelite
To be honest, I don't think you should be expecting many "traditional roguelikes" in a tier list unless specified. Some people have this expectation that casual roguelike streamers are going to have lots of experience with these games, but (from what I've seen at least) it isn't the case, it's not really how roguelikes are branded at the moment anyway.
Lunky 1 & 2, Noita, Darkest Dungeon (haven't played much of that one though) definitely require more strategy than something like RoR2, Hades or BPM, but to be completely fair you are generalising here and I'm being pretty specific, neither do they really come close to most traditional roguelikes in complexity.
i want my 20 minutes back
@0:35 my buddy claims he met you at the tokyo sushi on union/wise a couple years ago. He said you were so happy that he recognized you from your twitch rather than big brother that you made a tweet about him.
this is true
The egg destroyed this tierlist
Balatro is fun, but it doesn't have the Depth that StS has, at least not yet, game hasn't come out so we don't know what it has to offer, while StS is in it's final form. StS to A, RoR to B, Dicey Dungeon to B, DD2 to B, Monster Train to either low B or high C. While I don't disagree on Hades not being great, saying it isn't a roguelike ((roguelite,) yes, we all know the difference. Weird thing to get pretentious over lmfao) is objectively false.
Edit: Also Enter the Gungeon is insanely overrated C tier max.
Never let bro make another list again in his life. Bro couldn't even get a grocery list correct. Egregious
Not putting Enter the Gungeon in S tier is a certified war crime
Same with slay the spire
@@Bob-jh6xt and Risk of Rain
@@OltiemalAnd hades
Worse Isaac question mark?
@@TrueGamer22887 better than Isaac
For good game recommendations, simply play the S, A, F, Not Roguelike, and TT-Tiers
as well as brotato, slay the spire, dome keeper, risk of rain 2, nuclear throne, super auto pets, plate up, and inscryption
I agree with everything I've played here aside from Slay the Spire. S rank game.
this
Disagree with a lot of this list. Not seeing Atomicrops, Downwell, Undermine, Children of Morta, Loop Hero, or Neon Abyss(as someone else mentioned for the later). I love Monster Train, and Hades is definitely a roguelite(yes I get that its not exactly the same as a roguelike....but so many blur the lines and a lot on this list already falls in there)
If you define a roguelike as a game that has no carry-over from game to game,unlocks, or upgrades then Dead Cells can't be a roguelike. It would fall into the roguelite category. The potion upgrade alone pulls it into roguelite territory.
There are several on here I need to check out, and several I agree with like Luck be a Landlord is surprisingly super fun.
I just went "???" When he said his address because it's dead ass 5 minutes from my house
Risk of rain 2 in anything but S or maybe at a push A is absolute heresy...
12:14 one word
Putting the game he was sponsored to promote in forgettable is fucking based!
Made me subscribe lol not enough real ones out there
ive never felt more offended in my entire life
Spelunky reigns supreme
why, dan
why wut
The Hades bait tho
This man is a goddamn criminal. Disagree with most of his takes. Appreciate the honesty, tho
The moment Hades was not a rogue like and not fun was when I knew not to trust anything else said
could not see any roguelikes on the list. Where are the best ones?
1) Caves of Qud
2) Cogmind
3) Angband variants
4) Infra Arcana
etc.
He can’t even say hades, don’t think he should be ranking it!
The modding community has kept Brotato relevant, such a good game
justice for dicey dungeons
I would love to see you do a one-time stream where you play Caves of Qud. It's DAE but super retro and honestly the first roguelike since Isaac where I've been like: this is the ultimate.
I think he would hate it
@@godlyvex5543 even if so it would still be an entertaining hour or two
CoQ is probably my favorite roguelike ever made and is one of the best games in general
i'm not even able to see why cultist simulator was put in forgettable because the reasoning was cut out, this is a travesty
No.
Brotato did copy a little but they get updates faster and every holidays and
There’s endless too
i have not felt this angry about a tier list, like he put mr.sun's hatbox in C tier, risk of rain 2 in C too, peglin, dome keeper, crab champions, all in C tier, and even Hades in Trash Tier minus, Dan, you've disapointed me, and your gamer badge will be removed tommorw
you know its good when not a SINGLE game on the list is a true roguelike LMAO
You have some crazy takes my dude. Also you have some sound issues going on.
And where are the traditional roguelikes like Caves Of Cud, Cogmind, ToME, The Doors of Trithius and Zorbus? Only Jupiter Hell and in F-tear? Nope!
I love Binding of Isaac and it was my very first roguelike game. But Crypt of the Necrodancer, Hades, and Dead Cells are the holy trinity of roguelike games, they're masterpieces.
Man, Dan forgot all about Neon Abyss 🙁
love that game, still play it often
I was literally searching the comments to see if anyone noticed this
And Moonlighter. And Undermine. And Downwell. And a whole bunch of others like Children of Morta.
The list completely lost credibility the moment he commented on Hades
Nuclear throne is amazing. Just if your a player who's played since release it can get boring.
Where is Caves of Qud? An actual Roguelike by the Berlin Interpretation!
I thought we were gonna disagree on everything after dicey in F, but nah- we agree on alot.
Dicey is a low C.
Gungeon is hard overrated and is B, so many games do what it tries better.
RoR2 is an A I think.
Sts is the easiest S of all time.
You're hard capping Hades isn't a Roguelike and is S.
Luck be a landlord better than brotato equals braindead human
Classic bait
I’ve never agreed with a rogue like tier lost more fine taste my friend
Hades is f tier to you?
absolutely agree! hades is such a trash, never seen such bad monsters design :x its underworld ffs and you fight rats, vases and carts? wtf, its so god damn lame...
W rage bait.
Lobotomy friendly tier list at some moments
Dan said dead cells and gungeon were better than ror2😭
Slay the Spire is awesome, worth a better position
The Hades rating... you got my respect.
Ultimate Bait Tier List
My S tier are Downwell, Loop Hero and Enter the Gungeon.
You really should try monster train. It is as good as slay the spire
FTL is definitely S tier
Noone is talking about MvM from tf2, top shelf.
Hades is an excellent game have you even tried it? Definitely a roguelite at the very least
You put Hades in TT-, Subscribed
Nuclear throne is solid B+ A-
Bait or not, I learnt I probably shouldn’t watch this guy going forwards
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out boss
You could say Rogue Legacy 2 didn't do anything different, but you could also say it improved on every single aspect of RL1. I really liked RL1 at the time, but it now seems like the trial run for the real deal. RL2 has made RL1 obsolete (precisely because it's the same, but better). It feels like the game that they wanted to make in the first place, if they had the time and money.
Uh what's the definition of a rougelike then if Sifu/Hades aren't it?
picante
Whatever Dan wants it to be, clearly
@@dazkrieg9924vagante got done dirty
you know bro is dumb when he cant even pronounce the name Hades
i was going to get into brotato but it crashes too much for my liking :)
i get why you put voidigo in c tier, opinions are opinions but still... try playing voidigo again its so good! it is alsow a really long game! im like 12 hours in and havent even unlocked the ability to be able to fight the true final boss yet!
Replace dead cells with slay the spire an add balatro to s and those are my top
You are missing a fee of the greatest games Ever made, in this list.... Revita??? Being the best Ever! Ember Knights??? Etc....
I was okay with the tier list until you took RoR2 to C tier, aintnoway
0:40 funny haha joke, but did Dan actually just dox himself 😭
I hate those cuts. Just post the entire thing man
Bro, you said this was tier list for rougelikes, so why did you put so many rouge-lites on here?
Dans videos always make me smile Love your stuff
The S tier is based but everything else is hilariously bad lol
bait used to be believable
lol wtf its the big brother guy
No more Noita? :(
I agree with the S tier completely and the A tier contains all of my other favorite roguelikes. and I also didn't enjoy Hades very much. to my surprise this tierlist seems pretty accurate (to me)
That's a decent ranking of ROGUE-LITES. 😊
Forgettable = F tier
Ngl this is the worst tier list ive ever seen
Thoughts on boneraiser minions?
Dave the Diver ?
Mythforce ?
installed brotato after watching this tho and also exite the gungeon is better than enter the gungeon 2020
Gungeon isnt in S tier!!!!!
Really? Hades is one of the best rogue-likes of all time, and you have Isaac at the top? It may be a classic, but by today's standards it's lacking. If you put Hades and Isaac two side by side, Hades has tighter combat, graphics, story and sound design, not to mention runs that are more dynamic due to RNG. Also streets of rogue deserves better, its one of the most unique roguelikes and offers some of the best multiplayer in the genre.
Maybe if this game had actual build diversity then it would be good, but that's the core trait of roguelike games and hades doesn't have that, that's why i don't like it and that's also why its in TT-. what you wrote about runs being more dynamic due to RNG is pure bullshit, i assume you didn't play isaac a lot, gave it like an hour before u gave up and went back to inferior game.
the story is all hades has going for it. compared to isaac the builds you get in hades are mind numbingly boring, especially considering that its one of those games that actively used to "balance" synergies.
Whilst the combat in hades is certainly more polished, Isaac's gameplay is much, much deeper. Isaac may be dated in some aspects but to say that its lacking by today's standards is a pretty bad take IMO. Isaac clears hades
You've literally never played Isaac for more than a couple hours if this is your opinion, lol. Hades' runs are more dynamic and has more RNG than Isaac? What are you smoking? And btw, I LOVE Hades.
@@kubex222 whatever you say, enjoy your glorified flash game
Bait tier, nice try buddy! :D
Why is my man pronouncing Hades that way?
the difficulty of hades is weird at one point you lose stuff instead of getting more like in dead cells for example
That's just wrong
seems very accurate. i was dying at the end
TT minus tier. hahaha yeah it looks like trash. couldnt agree more with spelunky thats how i know about you.
Why does he pronounce "Rogue Legacy" like that? Is it a joke, or is that how Canadians say the word?
Finally someone who also hates hades. Refreshing take to see, i couldn't stand this game
Love this content.
"ultimate" roguelike tier list??? ok....where is tiny rogues, atomicrops, into the breach, dandy ace, curse of the dead gods, dungreed, going under....play more roguelikes next time if you need to do a serious tier list.
When you make list of ROUGELIKE GAMES I expect games like dungeon of dreadmoor and tales of Maj'Eyal. Not this garbage.
Dead cells is overrated, and enter the gungeon is underated.
I hope you didn't dox yourself😂