One big advantage I found out while messing with the last allied YR mission: the Apocalypse tank's default behavior is actually benefitial. If a few get mind controlled from a group but you order them to kill the mind controller, they won't fire on the mind controlled unit unless having no orders or been ordered to attack move.
That reminds me of how IS-2 was designed with bunker-busting in mind with 122mm field gun as a main weapon with pretty damn strong HE for being a breakthrough heavy tank.
0:22 you done goofed up. Apoc's Speed is set to 4, Rhino's to 6. They don't have the same speed. Else multi-play matches would've been Apoc spam all the time. Sight for Apoc is 6, Rhino's is 8. Weapon Range is set to 5.75 for both, Apoc's AA MammothTusk is Range 8. EDIT: RA2 also has Acceleration mechanic Vehicles can use. If used, two units may have the same nominal speed but one may end up 'slower' than the other. Neither Apocalypse nor Rhino use the Acceleration mechanic. Another important mechanic is RateOfTurn, ROT=, the higher it is the faster a unit turns. Apoc and Rhino both have ROT=5
Glad Red Alert 2 follows the Rock Paper Scissors formula while maintaining simplicity. Tower > Rush > Heavy > Tower Now, if only they also balance the quantity over quality... but eh, it's funnier and more enjoyable this way as most Zerg Rushes can be oneshotted by certain units to balance it out. How about a base race though, see how much of a distance should a Rhino needs to outrun an Apocalypse so it could finish a base before the Apoc does it? With promotions and all of course.
0:40 Yes-But-No. Rate of fire factor is ignored here - While its true that initial alpha strike of 1 Apoc is bigger than that of 2 Rhinos, they fire faster resulting in better DPS. 2:55 Shouldnt that part be purely tested with similar value of rhinos only? Either way, multiplayer experience speaking here. Rhinos have 3 features that grant them massive edge and cause them to become main unit of any ladder multiplayer scenario. Those being Speed, Fire on the move ability and availability. In games where you see armies moving at all times and you are looking for a moment of opportunity to strike, slow units like Apocs have no use unless they're forced to camp a chokepoint. Only in FG's i see them being utilized and still not always fulfilling their job. Want quick AA? Just make Flaks. Want raid taskforce? Make rhinos. Conclusion from me, apoc bad, submit to glorious MBT spam masterrace. :v
@@SU76M Because Allies have more variety in their options in later parts of the game. Allied players usually switch to Mirages/Fortresses since they are just better alternatives. Soviets can keep up with MBT spam for entirety of the game.
@@blastCR Unfortunarely I tried an online match once. Online RTS is not for me. The rhino spam in the first ten minutes ends the matches quickly. What's the point of playing if you're going to do that? It's frustrating and boring.
@@Kiwijr2579 cus Rhino is the only good thing the soviet have, apocalypse are very bad, it suck less with the community patch that make her atk while moving but it still has the other 2 flaws: 1- slow speed 2- cost
I also build apocalypse tanks if I notice an opponent that has build Kirov airships ("Kirov reporting") as this is the announcer quote on a troop training finished.
My good strategies is: Apocalypse tanks can take a lot of damage. I use them for drawing the defender's attention. Example: I distract opponents defenses while my other units will destroy everything.
@@CnCDune What you would have said does it involve anything related to racism or economical related or was it just game related stuff? Do not say too much, I know how it works.
@@CnCDune Personally I think it's an enjoyable bug. I can count just how little I used Prism Tower even with the bug active due to how often it misfires at Conscripts instead of tanks on top of Conscript having a Flak Armor also being a basic Rush Unit. Had the bug is not present then the Prism Tower would not even cross my mind.
@@PinkSpiderFan10 Not that I know of. Westwood applies the same trick a couple of times in their missions, but there they always make sure all Houses with PlayerControl=yes are the same color as eachother, and that they're allied to eachother.
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One big advantage I found out while messing with the last allied YR mission: the Apocalypse tank's default behavior is actually benefitial. If a few get mind controlled from a group but you order them to kill the mind controller, they won't fire on the mind controlled unit unless having no orders or been ordered to attack move.
*_The Apocalypse has Begun_*
Soviet power supreme.
The instrument of doom
Annihilating.
It is Day of Judgment.
Test your immortality
More love for Apoc is always welcome.
Screw the rhino meta. Real men use Apocalypse to exert dominance on their foes.
Unfortunately rhinos are more pratical in pvp games
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 9 year old kid
Fully upgraded elite apocalypse tank would be too OP.
With firepower create and armor create that is to op
And still lose against BF
yuri says hi
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 9 year old kid
Omar samy apocalypse is suck stop crying Year 7 year old kid
That reminds me of how IS-2 was designed with bunker-busting in mind with 122mm field gun as a main weapon with pretty damn strong HE for being a breakthrough heavy tank.
Apocalypse is suck stop crying Year 7 year old kid
0:22 you done goofed up.
Apoc's Speed is set to 4, Rhino's to 6. They don't have the same speed. Else multi-play matches would've been Apoc spam all the time.
Sight for Apoc is 6, Rhino's is 8.
Weapon Range is set to 5.75 for both, Apoc's AA MammothTusk is Range 8.
EDIT: RA2 also has Acceleration mechanic Vehicles can use. If used, two units may have the same nominal speed but one may end up 'slower' than the other.
Neither Apocalypse nor Rhino use the Acceleration mechanic.
Another important mechanic is RateOfTurn, ROT=, the higher it is the faster a unit turns. Apoc and Rhino both have ROT=5
damn i was about to comment on the speed
thanks
No matter how many times I check it there’s always something wrong
Glad Red Alert 2 follows the Rock Paper Scissors formula while maintaining simplicity. Tower > Rush > Heavy > Tower
Now, if only they also balance the quantity over quality... but eh, it's funnier and more enjoyable this way as most Zerg Rushes can be oneshotted by certain units to balance it out.
How about a base race though, see how much of a distance should a Rhino needs to outrun an Apocalypse so it could finish a base before the Apoc does it? With promotions and all of course.
apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid
Apocalypse tanks can also attack air units as well, so they are way more superior.
Unfortunately apocs are trash in pvp games
Ikr, because players know how to counter apoc with Rhinos. Rhinos can auto-attack while moving while Apoc can’t.
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid
0:40 Yes-But-No. Rate of fire factor is ignored here - While its true that initial alpha strike of 1 Apoc is bigger than that of 2 Rhinos, they fire faster resulting in better DPS.
2:55 Shouldnt that part be purely tested with similar value of rhinos only?
Either way, multiplayer experience speaking here. Rhinos have 3 features that grant them massive edge and cause them to become main unit of any ladder multiplayer scenario. Those being Speed, Fire on the move ability and availability. In games where you see armies moving at all times and you are looking for a moment of opportunity to strike, slow units like Apocs have no use unless they're forced to camp a chokepoint. Only in FG's i see them being utilized and still not always fulfilling their job. Want quick AA? Just make Flaks. Want raid taskforce? Make rhinos.
Conclusion from me, apoc bad, submit to glorious MBT spam masterrace. :v
Question. Why Grizzly tanks are not used in the same way? Yes, they are weaker in armour and firepower, but also cheaper and faster.
@@SU76M Because Allies have more variety in their options in later parts of the game. Allied players usually switch to Mirages/Fortresses since they are just better alternatives. Soviets can keep up with MBT spam for entirety of the game.
I just wanted to show the community why the apocalypse deals such damage to buildings.
I would rather avoid any discussion of rhino vs apocalypse🙂
Our lovely apocalpse tank
Always nice to see these comparision videos 🙂
So, Apocalypse Tanks are superior in almost every way. As if there ever was any doubt 😊
Play a game of competitive (on competitive maps) and you'll see why no one decent uses Apoc. Kinda unfortunate fate of the Apocs
Speeeeeed
@@blastCR Unfortunarely I tried an online match once. Online RTS is not for me. The rhino spam in the first ten minutes ends the matches quickly. What's the point of playing if you're going to do that? It's frustrating and boring.
@@Kiwijr2579 cus Rhino is the only good thing the soviet have, apocalypse are very bad, it suck less with the community patch that make her atk while moving but it still has the other 2 flaws: 1- slow speed 2- cost
For maximum satisfaction. Use both Rhino and Apoc spam.
Guarantee 1000% to annihilation.
Спасибо за видео! Да пребудет с тобой soviet power supreme! К сожалению я не знаю английский. И привет из Узбекистана!
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid
I also build apocalypse tanks if I notice an opponent that has build Kirov airships ("Kirov reporting") as this is the announcer quote on a troop training finished.
You said Rhino is faster than Apo but the stats displayed say they both have a speed of 6.
My bad.🙁
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid
You forgot to put them against the yuri tower
It is day of Judgement.
3:50 the apocalypse tank actually won! if you go frame for frame you can see the apocalypse won by 1 frame
My good strategies is:
Apocalypse tanks can take a lot of damage. I use them for drawing the defender's attention. Example: I distract opponents defenses while my other units will destroy everything.
This Apocalypse tank is tough enough to survive a nuke. Even the GDI Mammoth tank can't do that.
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid
....I think the next MO content should go with the different types of mbts
Why in campaign missions 2 prism towers can one shot apocalypse tank?
Some campaign missions have a ludicrous prism assist multiplier that makes powered up Prism Towers really good.
@@hylje It's actually a bug.
See Prism Tower entry on C&C wiki, the Trivia.
I'd say more, but YT loves deleting my comments.
@@CnCDune What you would have said does it involve anything related to racism or economical related or was it just game related stuff? Do not say too much, I know how it works.
@@SorakaOTP462 I have no idea.
YT seems allergic to some game terms from RA2.
@@CnCDune Personally I think it's an enjoyable bug. I can count just how little I used Prism Tower even with the bug active due to how often it misfires at Conscripts instead of tanks on top of Conscript having a Flak Armor also being a basic Rush Unit. Had the bug is not present then the Prism Tower would not even cross my mind.
What is the name of the song in the beginning of this video
I miss the previous background music.
How You control both Yellow and Red?
PlayerControl=yes on both Houses, but make sure they're not listed as each-other's ally.
@@CnCDune is that on rulesmd?
@@PinkSpiderFan10 No, the map itself.
@@CnCDune oh okay. I thought it could be modified on rulesmd. Is there a video tutorial on that?
@@PinkSpiderFan10 Not that I know of.
Westwood applies the same trick a couple of times in their missions, but there they always make sure all Houses with PlayerControl=yes are the same color as eachother, and that they're allied to eachother.
Soviet power supreme indeed.
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 Year old kid
How are you able to control two opposing factions?
The map is hosted in the discord server
Its your favorite unit tg,i think so 😁
Would like to see tg playing as Yuri at least once.
Check this!
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Make a game guide on Warcraft 3
What does cool down means
Attack speed
Hey tg why don't you try the cnc generals
No time to learn new game !
@@tg.Sacred but its easy to learn and its just the same but in diferrent thing
@@johncyrus9125 Yeah, I believe so it's just as time passes I have less time for gaming.
Testing Apocalypose tank against Psi-tower.
*trollface.jpg*
Apocalypse use less online tank no chance for win.
Be patient
You don't say 🤣🤣
İ can't record RA2YR with fraps how can i record?
What’s the problem ?
Use action program its good to record any game download action cracked so you dont pay for it
@@tg.Sacred i want record RA2YR but fraps can't detect game
@Laura Allard yes im Windows 10
@Laura Allard my Xbox recorder don't work in my computer
somebody changedmyy profile
FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!11
apocas are so damn good
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 7 year old kid