Excellent comparision among those calibers. Many thanks for taking your time to make the video, is very impressive what a 17 HMR hp can do.... Thanks for share it!
Love the channel guys. That 17HMR was impressive on that wood target. That is very solid and thick wood. Did not expect that small lightweight round to blow through. Only downside with 17HMR is that compared with the 22LR, it does not have the variety of ammo (i.e. no subsonics for plinking) and it runs somewhat more pricey. Great Vid.
I think your accuracy would improve if you took your fingers off the barrels while shooting as it interferes with the harmonics of a free floating barrel
Those Weihrauchs are sweet! I have been looking at the HMR.17 for a little while now. For what I use rifles for it would not be much of an advantage from what I have already but, I sure do like the ballistics and I bet they are fun to shoot. Enjoyed the video (and the comments below - LOL!) ATB2U/Stay Safe - Stan
Excellent video, interesting to see the plywood experiment especially. I've got a 22lr + 17hmr + 22 hornet + 22/250rem. Out of all four .17hmr is my favourite. Nice looking rifles weirauchs, but can't decide on either the hw60 or the hw66. Which one would you go for?
This a rather odd comparison, then the .17 round is a "necked down" .22 WMR case, so of course t's going to have much more power than a .22 long rifle round. A more fair comparison would be with a .22 magnum (WMR) and the reults are far closer. Albeit that the .17 is a flatter shooing round, the .22 WMR has greater knock-down power due to its advantage in energy, bullet frontal area, and sectional density. The .22 WMR is therefore the best killing round. It should also be noted that a 17 grain .17 bullet is very susceptible to even the slightest wind, whereas a (say( 40 grain .22 bullet from a WMR is not nearly as effected. The .22 WMR ammo is also significantly cheaper.
What is the best type of .17HMR ammo for rabbit control? They will be eaten so rounds that will produce minimal meat damage are preferred, even though most shots will be headshots
Nice video. Makes me wannt to do small game hunting. Just a tip, when shooting, make sure nothing is tuching your barrell, since it will change the point of impact if you dont have the exact preassure allways on the same spot.
Hello, just curious, what brand of rifles are you shooting? Did your rifles come with the muzzle beaks installed? I'm assuming they are muzzle breaks and not suppressors. Thanks.
Those are suppressors, not muzzle breaks. Neither caliber really needs a muzzle break. The reason the .22 WMR is so quiet is because Nigel is shooting sub-sonic ammunition, not so with the .17 HMR. Sub-sonic ammunition through a suppressor makes a very quiet combination. The .17 HMR was quieter than normal because of the suppressor. However, since the ammunition was not sub-sonic, you hear the distinctive "crack".
nice shooting. I've a 22lr short barrel I find looses accuracy at 75M+ with Winchester power point high velocity. The Elley subs are pin point accurate for 50M and under. So I decided to get a 22 magnum longer barrel for 75M+ for shooting of foxes. The 17hmr is known as far as I understand, not to like wind, so I chose the 22 mag. I've had to take a shot at 100M at a fox with the 22LR between the eyes and made an instant kill. Unfortunately, he wouldn't come in closer and I didn't have the magnum.
I have killed foxes just over 100 yards using my .22lr with subsonic ammo and a heart shot also the lil bullet have gone rightt out of the other side of it and dropped the foxes stone dead
One round is not better than the other. They’re two different rounds that can do two different things both of them work perfectly for what they were designed for.
Interesting penetration test. A penetration test of these rounds is comparing apples and pears. The difference between the rounds is in use and application. Sit outside a warren with a .sub sonic 22 for an afternoon and you will shoot far more rabbits than sitting there with an HMR. But if the rabbits are further away..............
change your grip with the left hand your probably be pulling the rifle to the left due to the recoil just place your hand flat under the hand grip your right hand should be doing all the work ie pulling the rifle into the shoulder
Don't take this badly but your gun mounting is terrible. You'd shoot much more accurately if you shoulder the weapon correctly to get better cheek weld and stability.
to much scope , had to mount high to clear barrel , so drop stock for head to align with scope .. should of raised bag the rifle was laying on to level out everything ... thing is scope is over kill for a .17hmr I have one with a 3x9x32 and at 100 yards just use 4x .. enough for 11/2 groups off a bag .some sold this fool a no need scope .
Is your barrel free floating if it is poting your thumb on top of the barrel will not hellp with the harmonics and change the accuracy and zero of the rifle
So for rabbits the ballistic tip wins, excessive penetration is not wanted for small critters, better for the fox providing its accurate at 100m, ive only ever used ballistic tip 17gr and they can shoot 5p size groups at 100. Love the 22 for how quiet it is thiugh. Just a shame how quick it drops.
Simon must have a good set between his legs to stand down range filming while your shooting a 22lr which is know to ricochet at tin cans you can hear the ricochets. Come on guys the videos are great but safety first. Firearms officers would have a field day with this video. The laws are already strict enough about permissions with Rimfire rifles and you've posted a video showing something totally illegal . If you wondering what's illegal about it all shots fired from your firearm are to land on your permission you said in the video there's a field to your right you don't have permission for so if that bullet is to land on that land you have broken a law.
Hi rathy! Thanks for your comment, Simon was almost level with Nigel while filming this video. The second camera we used was on full zoom, hence the slight wavering of the clips as it is quite difficult to achieve a steady shot while free-holding a camera on full zoom, but we appreciate any and all concerns regarding our safety and well being!
Hi rathy21 thanks for your comment - as I say in the vid to the right is is land that we can't shoot on not land that we don't have permission to shoot on - it is just that it is waist deep in brambles on the other side but I do have permission sorry for the misunderstanding totally understandable
If you were to shoot from the car at night in my country, you would immediately lose your hunting license. If you even have one. I suspect that you have relatively little respect for living beings and that you shoot everything that comes before the gun. Poor! A real hunter also gives the game a chance!
Excellent comparision among those calibers.
Many thanks for taking your time to make the video, is very impressive what a
17 HMR hp can do....
Thanks for share it!
Great video. Got me excited as I just applied for variation for 17hmr cant wait to get it
Thanks MrKarlawhite! What gun do you have at the moment?
Love the channel guys. That 17HMR was impressive on that wood target. That is very solid and thick wood. Did not expect that small lightweight round to blow through. Only downside with 17HMR is that compared with the 22LR, it does not have the variety of ammo (i.e. no subsonics for plinking) and it runs somewhat more pricey. Great Vid.
I just bought my first Marlin 17hmr rifle and am looking forward to hunting small game here in the United States , thanks for the helpful video.
Good comparison, you did great with the .22 Remington golden bullets as they are not know for their accuracy, unlike the CCI and Hornady!
I think your accuracy would improve if you took your fingers off the barrels while shooting as it interferes with the harmonics of a free floating barrel
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Agreed! I was thinking the same, tin cans should be a doddle below 100yds with hmr
Those Weihrauchs are sweet! I have been looking at the HMR.17 for a little while now. For what I use rifles for it would not be much of an advantage from what I have already but, I sure do like the ballistics and I bet they are fun to shoot. Enjoyed the video (and the comments below - LOL!) ATB2U/Stay Safe - Stan
Fun video to watch man, keep em up! Love hearing some suppressed rimfire.
Excellent video, interesting to see the plywood experiment especially. I've got a 22lr + 17hmr + 22 hornet + 22/250rem. Out of all four .17hmr is my favourite. Nice looking rifles weirauchs, but can't decide on either the hw60 or the hw66. Which one would you go for?
I just went for the short barrel as I do a lot of night shooting out of the landrover
This a rather odd comparison, then the .17 round is a "necked down" .22 WMR case, so of course t's going to have much more power than a .22 long rifle round. A more fair comparison would be with a .22 magnum (WMR) and the reults are far closer. Albeit that the .17 is a flatter shooing round, the .22 WMR has greater knock-down power due to its advantage in energy, bullet frontal area, and sectional density. The .22 WMR is therefore the best killing round. It should also be noted that a 17 grain .17 bullet is very susceptible to even the slightest wind, whereas a (say( 40 grain .22 bullet from a WMR is not nearly as effected. The .22 WMR ammo is also significantly cheaper.
What is the best type of .17HMR ammo for rabbit control? They will be eaten so rounds that will produce minimal meat damage are preferred, even though most shots will be headshots
With head shots either - but in general hollow point produce less damage - let me know your views when you have tried them
ACampfireProduction Thanks very much mate
TheMrWillje
you are welcome
How bout a cordless screwdriver?
Blur your eyes and it's Alan Rickman shoots for his supper.
GR8 Video, love it, maybe i will try for my FAC
Great video, very informative. Very good presentation. Can i just check do these rifles have floating barrels?
leandro dsilva Thank you for watching and no they dont
22WMR is a better comparo to the 17HMR than the 22LR.
Define ''better''.
Just subscribed- great honest video 👍
Nice video. Makes me wannt to do small game hunting. Just a tip, when shooting, make sure nothing is tuching your barrell, since it will change the point of impact if you dont have the exact preassure allways on the same spot.
have a 30ftlbs FAC Daystate Huntsman Classic which is a awesome, definitely want to get a 17 hmr maby a CZ 455 like my mates one.
Lucky to see rabbits round here these days, mixy came in and wiped them all out about 20 years ago !
Still watching in 2024!
Do you have a magazine fed rifle with a pistol grip like an AR-15?
Hello, just curious, what brand of rifles are you shooting? Did your rifles come with the muzzle beaks installed? I'm assuming they are muzzle breaks and not suppressors. Thanks.
Those are suppressors, not muzzle breaks. Neither caliber really needs a muzzle break. The reason the .22 WMR is so quiet is because Nigel is shooting sub-sonic ammunition, not so with the .17 HMR. Sub-sonic ammunition through a suppressor makes a very quiet combination. The .17 HMR was quieter than normal because of the suppressor. However, since the ammunition was not sub-sonic, you hear the distinctive "crack".
A cuánts corría el viento??
Why use subsonic .22 to compare to a much faster .17? Use hyper-velocity 22, as it has double the power.
Thanks for the comment! You are quite right, but they are two common caliber's to choose from!
Yeah I agree. Why would they use 1000fps ammo for a .22 my .22 ammo is 1800 fps
They should have compared good Ammo
Greasy Men
sub sonic ammo is much much much quieter with a supressor as apposed to super sonic.
@@greasymen9238 what 22 ammo are you getting 1800 fps out of?
nice shooting. I've a 22lr short barrel I find looses accuracy at 75M+ with Winchester power point high velocity. The Elley subs are pin point accurate for 50M and under. So I decided to get a 22 magnum longer barrel for 75M+ for shooting of foxes. The 17hmr is known as far as I understand, not to like wind, so I chose the 22 mag. I've had to take a shot at 100M at a fox with the 22LR between the eyes and made an instant kill. Unfortunately, he wouldn't come in closer and I didn't have the magnum.
I have killed foxes just over 100 yards using my .22lr with subsonic ammo and a heart shot also the lil bullet have gone rightt out of the other side of it and dropped the foxes stone dead
can you use a 17hmr in a 22.
I hope by now you fixed the annoying wind noise on your mike.
One round is not better than the other. They’re two different rounds that can do two different things both of them work perfectly for what they were designed for.
hello looking for some empty 17hmr case for my collection can you help
Go buy a box at the store
Thanks
17hmr vs .22magnum almost similar , no point comparing 17hmr to a .22lr Massive difference
Interesting penetration test. A penetration test of these rounds is comparing apples and pears. The difference between the rounds is in use and application. Sit outside a warren with a .sub sonic 22 for an afternoon and you will shoot far more rabbits than sitting there with an HMR. But if the rabbits are further away..............
change your grip with the left hand your probably be pulling the rifle to the left due to the recoil just place your hand flat under the hand grip your right hand should be doing all the work ie pulling the rifle into the shoulder
Nice Rover!
somebody get this guy a cordless impact gun:)
there's a fair bit of creep on the second stage on the .22 it appears .
how can you compare 22 ss to a 17 hmr
Don't take this badly but your gun mounting is terrible. You'd shoot much more accurately if you shoulder the weapon correctly to get better cheek weld and stability.
to much scope , had to mount high to clear barrel , so drop stock for head to align with scope .. should of raised bag the rifle was laying on to level out everything ... thing is scope is over kill for a .17hmr I have one with a 3x9x32 and at 100 yards just use 4x .. enough for 11/2 groups off a bag .some sold this fool a no need scope .
Is your barrel free floating if it is poting your thumb on top of the barrel will not hellp with the harmonics and change the accuracy and zero of the rifle
So for rabbits the ballistic tip wins, excessive penetration is not wanted for small critters, better for the fox providing its accurate at 100m, ive only ever used ballistic tip 17gr and they can shoot 5p size groups at 100. Love the 22 for how quiet it is thiugh. Just a shame how quick it drops.
What model are these rifles again.
A dangerous ricks shay from the .22 the .17 HMR with ballistic tips are a lot safer
Hi Ben! Thanks for watching and commenting! They are indeed safer, I couldn't agree more!
Do you mean ricochet?
fucking cool video
Why do people like wired modified guns
Fingers off the barrel maks the riffel less precis :-)
missed 65 yards with a .17 you need to put the rifles away and get a shotgun
He didn't miss... Watch to the end.
.22lrcan kill a pig you think?
What is the point of this video? How Not to shoot?
Simon must have a good set between his legs to stand down range filming while your shooting a 22lr which is know to ricochet at tin cans you can hear the ricochets. Come on guys the videos are great but safety first. Firearms officers would have a field day with this video. The laws are already strict enough about permissions with Rimfire rifles and you've posted a video showing something totally illegal . If you wondering what's illegal about it all shots fired from your firearm are to land on your permission you said in the video there's a field to your right you don't have permission for so if that bullet is to land on that land you have broken a law.
Hi rathy! Thanks for your comment, Simon was almost level with Nigel while filming this video. The second camera we used was on full zoom, hence the slight wavering of the clips as it is quite difficult to achieve a steady shot while free-holding a camera on full zoom, but we appreciate any and all concerns regarding our safety and well being!
Hi rathy21 thanks for your comment - as I say in the vid to the right is is land that we can't shoot on not land that we don't have permission to shoot on - it is just that it is waist deep in brambles on the other side but I do have permission sorry for the misunderstanding totally understandable
If you were to shoot from the car at night in my country, you would immediately lose your hunting license. If you even have one. I suspect that you have relatively little respect for living beings and that you shoot everything that comes before the gun. Poor! A real hunter also gives the game a chance!
Thanks