Boost Pedal Placement - where do they go?
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- Boost Pedals... where should you place them? Do they go before or after overdrive or distortion? How do they differ? What is the difference in running them before overdrive and distortion or after? How does it affect guitar tone?
Today I'll answer these questions and more. Comment with which boost pedals YOU like, and where YOU like to put them!
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Boost Pedals... where should you place them? Do they go before or after overdrive or distortion? How do they differ? What is the difference in running them before overdrive and distortion or after? How does it affect guitar tone? Today I'll answer these questions and more. Comment with which boost pedals YOU like, and where YOU like to put them!
i didn't watch it yet but i would have one everywhere if i could easily
I'm newer to the pedal world... I have a cheap Kokko boost pedal BEFORE my TS clone right now, but am playing around with placement. Thanks for the great video!
I think I found the right thing for me by running the Tumnus deluxe into my recently acquired pantheon. I'm totally in love with it. Then I have a digitech nuatila flanger/chorus just barely engaged and finally the ethereal. Love this combo. it's the shit as they say......
What about using clean boosts in the amps loop? TC mini Spark, Modtone Signal Booster and your own DB boost
Wampler Pedals hi, I think that when I put the boost before the gain will growin up, when the boost is after the volume is growin and the wave becomes square
before dist: more drive
after dist: more loud
I have to say that a significant part of my appreciation for the Wampler brand is these videos you make.
Thanks, glad you like them! :-)
Ditto that, Swiss Army Knight! I found this channel about a month ago, and just bought my first Wampler pedal a couple weeks ago. Was NOT disappointed! Will be getting more soon, hopefully the Tumnus deluxe next.
True that. I just bought a pinnacle for my hiwatt custom and holy fuck what a pedal. And then Brian does those vids. I will stick around
Can't agree more. The JHS channel is awesome too.
@@wampler_pedals what are the input and output Impedances of the Wampler boost? I looked everywhere, can't find them. Thanks
2:03 clean
2:12 OCD
3:26 tumnus+ocd
4:38 boost+OCD
5:33 TS+OCD
6:58 30somn+OCD
I love the fact that you are willing to share and show us what are the possible combination to improve the tone. How i wish i have someone showing me this 20 years ago.
I constantly tinker. I typically prefer color boosts before my main drive pedal. Then I like a full freq after for a vol bump. Always enjoy your vids! Peace.
I like sound of the Tumnus into the OCD the best. The Tumnus has got me thinking. I run a boost at each end of my board. Very informative video. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.
after seeing this for the 5th time, i start to realize the greatness of a boost. thanks, brian
I use a tube screamer type first in my chain for a nice boost and bit of top, and have a color boost at the end of my drive pedals and before my modulation pedals. Both work well and give a choice of how the boost sounds. Love your vid's and products.
i just wanted to say i got the tumnus pedal about a week ago and absolutely love it. it’s the best overdrive pedal period. it feels more like a amp mod in a box. it takes your amp and takes it to the next level and feels so natural. thanks for making a great pedal available and affordable. ill be getting the tumnus deluxe next. keep up the great work and thanks for all the videos very helpful
Lately, I've been loving the sound of running my OCD into my Empress Fuzz. That combination really tightens up the fuzz while retaining everything I love about the fuzz.
I always find your videos very helpful! Thank you for taking the time to do these! The Tumnus has my vote!
It's hard to keep my Tumnus or Tumnus Deluxe out of ANY overdrive scenario. They are so versatile. Thanks and keep them coming our way!
Tube Screamer into OCD is what I run and I love it.
Me too. Although, I'm thinking of boosting the OCD with my Klon clone just to see how I like that combination.
I'm running TS9 into a JHS Charlie Brown into a Fender Deluxe Reverb ('65 RI) and LOVING the tone right now.
I run ocd before ts9, now I’ll try it the other way lol!
Johnny Fleming do the same with JHS the at and into fender HRD.
I'm thinking about getting a Tube screamer. I've already got an OCD which I've used as my main guitar sound so far. So do you think having the Tube screamer as my main and the OCD as a solo boost would be better?
Excellent video. Loved the subtitles on the cat! LOL!! You really spoke some truth when you said that things sound differently when you're at home and then when you're at a venue. I've done boost pedals before and after my main distortion, but there's always some variance. I guess I'd prefer before.
I never really liked my OCD with single coils until I started boosting it. I've been running it before an Xotic AC Booster, sounds great. Gotta try putting the Tumnus pre-OCD, because that tone was rad! Like halfway between a Treble Booster and a Tubescreamer boost. Goes to show what a good K-style circuit can do. Tumnus is one of the best.
Great Video Mr. Wampler !!
Btw .... your playing has got a ton better . Right On !!
Awesome vid!!! Was surprised at how different the tone was with the ocd having the screamer and Tumnus after it... really like those combos
Very informative. Your a great teacher, thank you for educating me!!!
Hey Brian, thanks for all of your videos, I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I have a #1 rig with two treble boosts (never at same time) a BSM BM-Q special and an Analogman Beeno Boost. Love them both. Usually use the BSM most frequently. The Beeno gives a little more of a warm (?) treble boost. they are first in my chain after my wah and tuner. I play out of a Vox AC 30 S1 and solo boost with a Katana in the effects loop. My practice rig is a Vox MV 50 Rock and a Tumnus (which I like a little better than my tubescreamer). This gives me higher gain sounds for a VH (I & II) sound out of a JB TB. Now I just adde3d an MXR 6band silver and I have to really do some experimenting. But I think the fun is in the tone searching. Happy New year and keep up the great work!
great video!
I've always used an old DOD FX10. I usually keep it after all of my dirt pedals, but I recently got a twin reverb and have been trying different configurations. I now have the boost in front of my OD but after my Fuzz and it's always on, and I like it that way because I can slightly boost the gain of my OD, but then boost the level / character of my fuzz. It's probably the most useful pedal on my board.
Brian, this video was very informative, and all the tones were great! Thank you for taking the time to provide these very informative videos! -Mark Cearlock
This changes fairly regularly for me. For the last month or so I've been using diamond Comp Jr to boost into my ocd, this weekend i removed the comp jr, and put my Tim after the OCD. I tend to gravitate towards this latter setup, and if i had about 3" more of board space i would probably through the comp jr. in front to have boost before and after :) Another great video!
I recently bought a Tumnus and use it after my standard overdrive and distortion pedals. Blues, hard rock, "almost metal" all shine with the addition. I absolutely love it.
So this saved some time before that boost pedal arrives 😀 thanks again brian. Love the chanel
Do what I do, have one at either end of your board. :)
I have a TS clone at the beginning that I can use as a mild dirt pedal by itself or use it clean-ish to push another drive. I then have a JHS Banana Boost at the end of the board that I can use as a "solo" boost or occasionally as a mild dirt pedal. It surprises me that more people don't know about or use the Banana Boost and that it was discontinued. It is one of the nicest clean to slightly dirty boost pedals I've ever heard.
I’m kinda similar. I have TS9 (Keeley mod) into rockett Dude. Then ep boost at end of chain always on for nice bloom add. I also can even lead boost if I need it.
such a good vid, thanks Brian!
Thank you for using the LP to make this video. I enjoy boosts after distortion myself but depends upon what pedal and compression afterwards. Enjoyed the video.
So much fun! My old 80something TS-9 is still on the board as my first "gain" stage after the compressor. Both of which are basically always on. Depending on flavor or where I want to be in the mix I switch on the OCD, Pinnacle Deluxe, or DS-1.
On very rare occasions I get to slap my EP boost in front of my Marshall 1987 with the volume at 3 o'clock or so! Absolute SWEETNESS!!! :)
Recently, I played a country gig. I ran a Tumnus into a Euphoria but Tumnus was not being used as a boost. The Euphoria acted as my main dirty tone (into a modified Tweed Blues Junior) and the Tumnus was kicked in for even more drive. I use the Blues Junior's footswitchable Fat feature for a boost during solos. The Tumnus combined with the Euphoria sounds AMAZING! \m/
Really appreciate all your videos 😊👍I'm looking for one on sustain pedals I might have missed it but I'll keep looking thanks Brian 👌🎸🥇
Gorgeous Kitty! And the content as well! Thank you Brian!
Thanks for a great, educational video. I definitely like boost into distortion. I use my amp’s distortion and run the Blues Driver side of a King Tone Duellist into it. I think it sounds awesome.
Great video thanks for doing it. I use a Boss ES8 switcher and it allows changing the signal path for each preset which is an awesome feature for having different gain structure configurations.
Before, obviously. My favorite just for boost so far is the JRAD silver archer. Tumnus Deluxe is next on my OD/boost list, tho. I'd also like to get a straight clean boost at some point to hopefully alleviate some of that volume loss on a pedal board.
MXR Micro amp on the end of the pedal chain - makes anything you're doing louder, great for when you have the volume on the guitar down to clean things up but want the volume back or solo boosts. I have my Marshall set clean.
I really like what boosts can do. I might look at one these for future recordings! Thanks for your videos!
Ive been using the Green Rhino as a boost into either other gain pedals or the gain channel of my amp. So far it stacks the best. Others I like are using the tumnus(clean boost) or recently tried out the Friedman Buxom Boost(amazing versatility as well).
My way of doing things has always been to have one or two full-range drive pedals, usually a low gain sound and higher gain sound, with a mid-hump style boost like a klon or TS circuit before them to kind of tighten them up, add a little gain, and give more of a mid-focused tone. And then after all of them I like a full-frequency clean boost so I can have any of my tones be louder but uncolored when needed.
Also, I thought the OCD pushed by both the Tumnus and the Thirty Something boost before it were EPIC drive sounds into your Bravado!
The Tumnus after sounded very good... got me thinking now. BTW love that cat!
I've got the Tumnus, OCD, and Tube Screamer. Gonna have to try these suggestions.
Love your videos! Thanks for this!!!
I am currently struggling with gain stage pedal order. JHS 3 series Fuzz, blues driver, Double Barrel, TS9, big muff, clean boost, Rat and a compressor sustainer. Volume pedal after the gain stage, and there’s a cry baby wah in the mix. Looking to add a Tumnus, but the order of these is driving me mad. I’m suffering from option overload. Not the worst problem to have, but still…what do I do?!?!
Thanks Brian for the video
I ran a Metal Muff w/boost through the return effects loop on a Carvin Nomad 1/12/ 50 watt combo with great success. Even in front of the amp with the fuzz at zero for a clean boost it really the pushed the soak/overdrive of the amp beautifully. With the fuzz & boost at noon, the amp @ 10 o'clock, my lawn died. Nice review Mr.Wampler, thx for sharing your wisdom.
As always, great video. I use a Caroline Icarus boost. It’s before my O/D pedals. I have a JHS morning glory and a plimsoul for the heaver stuff. I do want to get a Tumnus in the near future. That’s a great pedal. Cheers.
I like to use a Keely compressor with it acting as an overdrive in front of a TS9. Great video. To me, hearing the DB boost with the overdrive sounds pretty good. Great review!!!
I discovered the Tumnus into the OCD at a friend’s house completely by accident and was so blown away by the tone that I now own a Tumnus of my own. That combo is magic.
I really enjoy your channel, and your products as well.
This is a situation where I can honestly say, I use and need both. Sometimes I just want whatever tone I have to be louder, sometimes I need more saturation and growl- and so I keep a boost before and after my drive and choose accordingly. Luckily- nowadays you have a ton of options to make this happen. You can run a compressor in front of the drives, use it as a boost and a compressor- you can buy a drive with a boost built in, you can use an eq pedal as a boost and shape it whatever way you like, you can buy boost pedals, or you can use other drives as boosts and stack them, and I'm sure there are other ways as well that I don't even know about. Personally- I run a Tumnus Deluxe into an AT+ from JHS- plus I have an 1176 Cali compressor and a Neve preamp in front of the Tumnus, and a Vertex Boost after the AT+. Then I run all my wet effects through the parallel fx loop on my amp. Works for me.
This video made me finally go ahead and buy a Tumnus. I've had an OCD on my board for 10 years, so I am hoping the Tumnus into the OCD works as good as I think it will.
I really like the sound of a distortion pedal with an overdrive before it. One of my favorite pedals is the JHS Sweet Tea, which has the Angry Charlie and Moonshine in one housing. You can flip the order around, making it really versatile.
I use my Spark Mini boost in the effects loop and get a HUGE range of boost without coloring my tone at all. Try that if you don't want to change your tone but want a LOT of boost. Works amazingly.
my chain would be one boost before AND one after the drive pedal...and thanks for the great vids you make!
Excellent video! I use the OD808 => Boss OD3 => MXR booster mini => hot amp and I get a lot of mileage out of that!
Tumnus into anything works for me 😁
I just picked up the Tumnus Deluxe... crazy cool pedal
Thanks for the video. Redid my board yet again. Now using my amp with a little gain with a tube screamer for slight overdrive and running that into the tumnus set dirty. So not a boost but a more dirty distortion and also set a bit more than unity. So far so good
I run your dual fusion paisley side set as a boost into the euphoria side. Absolutely love it!
I like boost before and after overdrives. Boost after an overdrives for a lead boost. Boost before an overdrive to push a mid gain overdrive higher. What got me thinking that way was how my ADA MP-1 tube pre-amp had OV1 and OV2 and the how the over all tone would sound based on how you balanced them. Having the boost after, to me is like turning up the master volume up a bit on an amp. So, if the overdrive pedal needs to be louder, boost after it. Want the overdrive to harder hit the signal infront.
I had always put booster ahead of dirt but your vid and Anderson’s current vid both mention putting a booster in the effects loop so I’ll try that. I have a number of booster pedals - Diamond, xotic Ep as well a number of dirt pedals that I can set as always on or boost including Tumnus, lovepedal E6, mooer, miaudio, Manticore, JHS Milkman. I think my favourite is the Diamond and the Tumnus. But I’ve only used it as the first pedal. Great vid. Thanks
All sound good Hatts off to Brian.....I run my amp to a Fulltone 2B then a Catalyst then a Munder Heavy Cream Im really impressed with your Tumnus and 30 Something...much better than the OCD and Im a Fulltone fan Looking at one of your delays right now too Brian Good stuff
Both!!! I use the Wampler Ego Mini (shameless plug alert!) in front of everything and my 80's Ibanez Graphic EQ modded in the back of the signal chain... Love it this way!
It's actually on the InstaG under JskinnyG if anyone wants to see my signal chain! Can't beat that Ego Mini people!
MXR Compressor, DB+, Angry Driver, Morning Glory, Plexi Deluxe. About to replace the Plexi or the Morning Glory with the Revv G3. Great videos!
Great demo and subject. Thank you. ❤ Love to use a boost to add just that extra for solos or special parts to whatever clean or dirty tone you have as a base.
Great demo. I play an Epiphone 335 PRO (with coil-splitting). After experimenting, I've settled on putting my EP Booster after my OCD pedal. (The EP Booster is always on because it warms up the clean signal.) When I had the EP before the OCD, the RAT and Russian Pickle, I lost a lot of clarity - it was just a tsunami of sounds.
Running a clean boost in the effects loop of your tube amp opens up a whole new world of possibilities. In this config the boost not only increases your output signal to cut through the mix for your solos but also offers GREAT options for different tones. By bypassing your preamp, you are isolating the boost pedal's effect on the power section of your amp which is almost like adding additional channels into your amp depending on how you combine the boost with or without running dist in front of the preamp. This works well when you are using a hotter dist pedal like the Pinnacle - especially in an amp that is biased a bit hotter. It's a real game changer because it can mimic the same amp dynamics of a dimed up classic Marshall amp in terms of the effect your guitar volume has on tone and dynamics. Here are several options this config offers; Option 1) by foot switching off your distortion pedal and engaging the boost, it can really FATTEN up your clean tones. Option 2) by engaging both dist pedal and boost but rolling your guitar volume way back, it gives you something in between clean and crunch with a lot of bottom and depending on your amp settings, can clean up surprisingly well. Option 3) by running your dist pedal with the boost off, you can dial in good rhythm crunch tones and then engage the boost for solos to cut over the top of the mix. So there you have it. Versatility at its finest...
Anyone named Steve W is all right in my book.
To me it's great to have both: before to boost the frontend of your amp, after to boost your solo parts.
In the long term comparison my winner is "Elektro Harmonix LPB 2"! Otherwise I love a lot of Treble Boosters (Rangemaster, BSM etc.) and I'm spoiled for choice!
Thank you Brian - interesting video!
I would like to see you test a bunch more OD's and boosts.. before and after like this. Maybe include the Fulltone fatboost, keep the TS9 or add a TS 808, maybe try a Boss Power Stack or Klon Klone.. and some more varieties.. you have some cool videos and pedals, there is always a lot more to learn, for sure!
I've tried all kinds of combinations. Definitely loved having a JHS modified soul food after my OCD for a lead boost, but it doesn't look like a lot of people here have done that. I really love the coloration that I got out of it. Currently using a mini Red Dirt into my OCD, the opposite configuration. Being the only guitar player in the band I don't feel that I need to dramatically increase my volume for leads. I'm sure the soul food would work just as well but I really like the soft clip of the mini Red Dirt. I see a lot of hate for pedal couplers like you are using, a lot of people say they destroy the jacks on the pedals. Being that those are not Straight Shaft couplers do you think that that would reduce wear and tear on the jacks?
No offense to your brand, but that TS9+OCD sounds fab. But I'm getting old, and my ears need more of those high mid frequencies.
TS9 boosting the OCD or the other way around?
TS9 into OCD is an instant classic tone. I loooove it. I think a Tumnus might be even BETTER though!
Ya ive got to get some of there wamplers....they look well made...sound awesome.
Tumnus Deluxe into my OCD is like hearing what heaven sounds like
That's how I'm running right now . Ego,tumnus,OCD,epboost. But I may shuffle the comp and boost around over time.
Same here npinero
My favorite combos were the TS before the OCD and the Tumnus after it. I like to run boosts with flexible EQ controls after my other pedals so I can shape them to better fit the context/room, etc. Planning to get the Wampler Equator for just such purpose!
Yep.TS drops lows and highs, making the OCD more effective, then boost it w the wampler..
In fact, i prefer a different Plexi style to the OCD..
I think the ts boosting into the ocd is the best guitar sound in this video as well. But then again I feel like in a band setting, you need your boost to, well, boost
Excellent video. This video with the OCD adjusted with 40% less drive would be nice. I have a few of your pedals and love them - Tumnus Deluxe after the Dual Fusion is my preferred setup.
I actually like a Klon Style Pedal, set relatively clean, as a lead boost after the Overdrive Pedal. I really like the tone shaping characteristics that a Klon Style Pedal has, versus something like an MXR Micro Amp.
Tube screamer and OCD love each other. Great sound.
My boy! Great video, again, me learn many much from you Wampy man. I have often wondered how to stack your Dracarys. Generally them types of highhhh gaiiinnnz pedals like to be before an OD to take out sum of that sizz. Might you be interested in demonstrating that pleeeeaasseeeee?
I just bought a phase shifter guitar effects pedal smallstone and it is great. Seems like it is being used a booster for all my effects so far! )
For boosting leads I run my MXR Micro Amp through the effects loop. 👍
For me, a lot of it depends on how you are using your amp. If I have, say a 15 watt amp cranked, a boost isn't going to get much volume boost because the amp is already at its limit. In that situation I use the boost as a drive, and then follow it with an overdrive, using the tone control as a cutting device, making the leads like a laser beam. But with an amp set so that there is a lot of headroom available, I would possibly do the opposite.
I have and use a Fender HRD 3. Love it. I'm a gigging musician and play the clubs every week. I use an OCD and a Tubescreamer TS9 together on my pedalboard, and I push them through the clean channel. The OCD is my main sound - I use my guitar volume knobs to adjust my tone as desired - by using my guitar volume knobs, I am in better control of my rig and can dial in on the fly pretty much anything from slight crunch to balls out overdrive. I use my TS9 BEFORE the OCD to BOOST the OCD for solos and lead work- and it works beautifully !... you can even roll off your guitar volume when both pedals are engaged ( for solos) and it gives you a stronger feel and really good tone. Your guitar volume knobs are so important in dialing in good TONE. MY OCD is set at the low power setting on top, volume at 10-11, drive at 10-11 also, tone at 12. TS9 is set at volume 20clock, drive at 0, tone 12oclock. My Fender HRD3 clean channel volume is maybe at 2.5 - 3 ( it's club loud at this level). NOTE: I also push a 6 band BOSS EQ through my effects loop next to my WAMPLER TAPER ECHO and I have the best frickin tone. The EQ in the loop allows me to push the amp harder, but control the volume and still add some bass and mids - it's like taking a thick blanket off your amp and letting just breath and open up. Sorry so long. hope it helps.
im running TS9 into OCD into EPbooster for lead part , really love it!
I bought a rangemaster kit a few months ago and that thing is the bomb!!!!!!!
I’m looking forward to trying my TS9 into my OCD it sounded really good on the video.
I’ve got a replica of a Texas Range Master that I used to push the OCD with too that gave me a big sound full of sustain.
OCD + TS is a winner!
I have the Spark Booster by TC Electronic and I usually run it before my dirt pedals which change quite a bit. My SB is usually on the mid boost setting but I've used the clean and fat settings on occasion as well.
My main Overdrive is a Way Huge Saucy Box, but I do have a Pantheon coming in a few days. I will use a Friedman Golden Pearl in front of in to punch the gain up a notch. I then have a Euphoria after the Saucy Box, as a volume boost. The Euphoria is set to the open setting, and I love the tone and bass controls to dial out the fizz and boominess.
I like the clean boost after the dirt pedals. Brent Mason runs a Creation Audio Labs MK 4.23 Boost after your Wampler Hot Wired V2 and the sound is killer!
EHX platform comp w/ boost, Tumnus Deluxe, EHX Extortion, the mods + effects, and Empress EQ w/ boost slamming the front of the amp. I really like pedals that have boost built in, it enables you to push the effects more to the front. I actually wouldn’t mind having a boost between each pedal on my board. It gives you a lot more control over each sound.
I’m like a midget staring at a wall, I love a little boost!
Hey Brian! I’ve been using a clean boost (always on) for years now. After all my drives currently but sometimes before certain high gain pedals to get them extra hairy.
Always wondered if the clean boost is technically supposed to go before or after modulation/delay pedals though in case of clipping. The boost fattens up the clean tone signal into the amp, but is it too much for the headroom of other pedals after?
Route 66 Comp/OD with both sides on is the best pedal I’ve found for boosting your signal before distortion, if you can make it work quietly. Which can be sorcery, especially with single coils.
I use the SICK AS as a boost after the drives. Tha
Thanks a lot for your vídeos... God bless
That Thirty-Something sounds awesome.
Thank you Brian, very informative and insightful. I have a TC Spark in the effects loop of an AC 30 S1 just so I get a boost in solos. I'm in a 2 guitar + Keyboard classic Rock band and I need to push the volume in order to be heard. Also, I can access most classic Rock tones except for higher gain. I am going to try putting my DB boost before my tumnus and Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive Mod to see if I can get a higher gain tone. Any other suggestions?
Favorite boost: Xotic RC booster. I put it before distortion pedals, because I like to use it to make my Strat single coils sound hotter.
Hello Brian,
I run the Tumnus Before my K O T i also run the old Wampler Decibel boost after the K O T for a boost jump in my band. i play southern rock and country so i like it dirty southern rock style. Love all that you do thank you for your help
Also my Tumnus is always on never off
this video has convinced me that klons and tube screamers (or really anything mid rangey) need to be before other ods and distortions, cause if theyre after the sound gets this weird kinda lofi radio quality to it. I was having this issue with a klon type pedal a few months back and I just couldn't figure it out without rearranging my whole board.
I'm playing a Blackstar HT 1R Combo using the onboard overdrive with an EP Booster with an Audio Alchemy Switch mod. The EPB is between my amp and guitar as an always on pedal with the knob set between 10-11 O'clock and the switches in the Vintage (less bass) or sometimes Default mode (more bass). This pedal really brings the thin and boxy 8" speaker to life. It adds warmth and bass to the overall tone of the amp. I'm also using it with an LTD 256 FM Guitar which is a humbucker guitar so I tend to favor the Vintage mode on the EPB.
Just spent most of my day deciding where to put my Union Tube & Transistor More boost when I start building my new board. I always kept it at the end of the chain right before the amp, but I've also ordered an Empress Buffer+ which has a boost in it, so I thought I wouldn't really want to put the boost I already have directly into a new boost. After a lot of experimenting, the More just sounds so much better as the last thing in the chain! Going to be interesting to see how it plays with the boost in the buffer pedal when it arrives!
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